Dragon Quest 11 and The Ludonarrative Illusion

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  • @Toanon
    @Toanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This is gonna sound weird but you really, really sound like Tim Rogers in this video

    • @Oceaniz
      @Oceaniz  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      great, i narrated this video right after having finished watching his Tokimeki Memorial review so I was wondering if I had osmosised some of his mannerisms after 5 hours of listening to him lmao love the guy

    • @Toanon
      @Toanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Oceaniz This is not a bad thing at all by the way

    • @bigrathole
      @bigrathole 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Oceaniz I was tipped off that this might be the case before even starting the video by the words "ludonarrative" and "crikey!" XD

  • @pyrosianheir
    @pyrosianheir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    This video was entirely worth the 16 minutes it took to get to that pun at the end. I applaud you.

  • @masamoon1887
    @masamoon1887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    If you want an entire RPG series based on Re-Memory, look no further than the Trails series. Re-memory everywhere, everytime, jesus christ.

    • @wolffster25
      @wolffster25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah the newspapers you can read alone are the perfect examples although my favorite examples are the novel series like Carnelia, Red Moon Rose, and Three & Nine.

    • @cloudsclutchcorner
      @cloudsclutchcorner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, Trails' (The Legend of Heroes) Narrative is like very little other game Series. He called DQ11 a High-Fantasy Epic...Trails is a High-Fantasy Epic Series, which I've seen so Rarely in Video Games...It Rivals High-Fantasy Book Series, that's how Interrelated so many parts are & the Story+Characters just keep building. It Currently Sits at 10 Games, first Arc being Trails in the Sky (FC, SC, the 3rd) then Crossbell (Zero & Azure) & then Cold Steel (I, II, III, IV) and Hajimari no Kiseki which hasn't come out yet in the West. Great Suggestion, I Second this Suggestion👍🔥

  • @marcuso.530
    @marcuso.530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I don't know if I'm alone on this, but I wasn't really a fan of the whole time travel aspect towards the end.
    All the character growth the characters went through just... wiped away from existence. Those incredible scenes between Hendrick and Jasper, gone.

    • @thatoneblackdude3333
      @thatoneblackdude3333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Sarinas character development gone

    • @doobles9253
      @doobles9253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Spoilers for DQ11
      For all intents and purposes, the game literally ended after the Mordegon fight, Act 3 is called the post-game for a reason. You do not have to actually travel back in time.
      On top of that too though, there is a story reason for why you would go back: Yggdrasil. The Tree of Life exploded at the end of Act 1, this is important because the souls of the dead travel through the void to get back to Yggdrasil to be reborn. Without Yggdrasil, those souls just get lost in the void without any chance to be reborn, including Veronica. Going back in time gives the Hero a second chance to properly prevent all that suffering.
      You don't have to like the post-game, but the game ended by then, its literally just extra optional content beyond the credits.

    • @Tel1717
      @Tel1717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, the time travel aspect took away a lot from the story and game as a whole for me.

    • @RedOphiuchus
      @RedOphiuchus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@doobles9253 that's actually not entirely accurate. It gives the hero a chance to create a timeline where that suffering doesn't occur. The old timeline is still there, the suffering and character developments still happened, and the people of that world get to continue living and picking up the pieces from there. With the hero gone that is.

    • @sumbril700
      @sumbril700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@doobles9253 I think the decision you make to go back (or put down the game and stop) is a fun one that's presented to you. You have a choice, knowing the consequences. In that way, going back really does make it a personal sacrifice on some level, as its meant to for the player character. You go through understanding that these characters whose development is mostly impacted (Serena, Hendrik) are lost, and that in some ways, they don't know their own potential because they don't go through the same hardships in a pre-calamity world. It's bittersweet and I kind of love it for that.

  • @2200Gill
    @2200Gill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My favourite background narrative in DQXI is the journals of the adventurer you can read throughout the game. It talks about locations you visit and two key items important to your own journey. The big revelation in the last journal that the adventurer is Chalky floored me. 👏🏽👏🏽
    The amount of let's plays I've seen where people don't even remember that the hero's grandpa's name is Chalky, saddens me.

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To be honest, I couldn't know at first, I missed some of the journals, and didn't understood all the fuss about its name being Chalky on some videos, since the French translation has another name

  • @Christopher-eq1rn
    @Christopher-eq1rn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "dragon quest 11 is not a very hard game"
    **laughs in draconian mode**

  • @wolffster25
    @wolffster25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Go play the trails series it does this concept fantastically. Some characters, ideas, and concepts they mention in one game can take multiple games before it is resolved. It always feels so good when you finally get those resolutions it ends exactly like you said it works on me every time.

  • @dabiddo5
    @dabiddo5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incredible narration and amazing editing! I am so glad someone did address this tiny part of this fantastic J-RPG that I love so much. You have my like, my subscription and my total ovation. If TH-cam still had stars for ratings, this would be a 5/5 for me.

  • @currentlybeingremade9706
    @currentlybeingremade9706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hm.. Re memory.
    Judging by how it’s square enix..
    ‘You would knowingly shackle your heart with a chain of memories born of lies?’

  • @theinfernoburns
    @theinfernoburns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I rlly love this game it doesnt get enough attention it deserves so much!!!

  • @TenshizakiN008
    @TenshizakiN008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The best part of memory/re-memory with Dragon Quest, is that XI is just another player in the web of the same causality of it all. Much of these themes are reused from previous games, maybe with some names and designs changed. It's more something great for long time fans for playing through the series and hearing these same tropsey tales and experiences, but that's also why I adore the series.

  • @Jamezontoast
    @Jamezontoast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dragon Quest has been doing this since 1986 and "re-memory" barely scratches the surface of the narrative techniques it explores imo
    It also doesn't span over one game, it spans the entire series and spinoff games. Everything intertwines

    • @yourwelcomeidiot9158
      @yourwelcomeidiot9158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The endgame of dq3 really utilizes re-memory in a great way

  • @klebermarchand
    @klebermarchand 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Regarding the gold in the Elder Scrolls, I remember reading that gold pieces are actually made by official magicians of the Empire. It's thanks to some magical uniqueness that coins cannot be replicated. Don't quote me on that though, and it's clearly not explained in Skyrim, it's in a background book somewhere.

  • @moonmannd7501
    @moonmannd7501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Memory/Re-Memory
    AKA the entire gameplay crux of Ace Attorney

  • @zoadragon3521
    @zoadragon3521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *Hears pun at the end.
    I see you're putting your english studies to good use.

  • @HoduAphrodite
    @HoduAphrodite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    17 minutes have felt way too long to explain ludonarrative consistency, but sure. I hope you go more in depth with game theory in the future ):3

    • @swandivemedia9249
      @swandivemedia9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      this video was scriptonarrative for the next DQ11 review. hes going to mention that ice dragon in every video from now on.

    • @kaiserphoenix2038
      @kaiserphoenix2038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not long enough*

    • @TheFloodFourm
      @TheFloodFourm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can we get a TL:DW?

    • @swandivemedia9249
      @swandivemedia9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheFloodFourm imagine dragons

  • @kyle123456789986
    @kyle123456789986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just spam through books and never saw it frozen I just got to that boss and said oh cool a dragon

  • @ls190v2
    @ls190v2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Square Enix are strategic geniuses with stories.

  • @TheSerpymatt
    @TheSerpymatt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Or... foreshadowing.

  • @an8strengthkobold360
    @an8strengthkobold360 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven't been on this channel for so long and am now finally watching the video back up.

  • @StarWyvernHPB
    @StarWyvernHPB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i viewed this as being similar to chekovs gun, but this is much better XD, great video!

  • @docbaker3333
    @docbaker3333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Horii never forgets.

  • @NewplayerXL
    @NewplayerXL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Seriously what do you mean memory and re-memory? Isn't that good old foreshadowing? 😂

  • @pyrosianheir
    @pyrosianheir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm sorry, I'm sure this video is as solid as your others, I just had to take a moment to catch my brain up after hearing that DQ11 had a place called "Sniffleheim," because oh my god that shizz is hilarious. XD

    • @andy-floriplay-time7366
      @andy-floriplay-time7366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pretty much every japanese property set in fantasy medieval times has stupid names

    • @pyrosianheir
      @pyrosianheir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andy-floriplay-time7366 hard disagree? Most of them are pretty solid, even if they pull a final fantasy 7 and rip names from myth. Like, the Fire Emblem series does great - Tellius, Elibe, Archaneia, so on. All really good names.
      Taking a norse reference and making it a pun? Particularly one like "Snifleheim"? That's rare form.

    • @MaximumAddition
      @MaximumAddition 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pyrosianheir The modern Dragon Quest localization team, Shloc Ltd, really loves working with puns which really matches the Dragon Quest charm, they're great!

  • @decusq
    @decusq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful video. And it greatly explains to me why i never truly could play FF15 and like it. With Dragon QUest 11 I felt like he developers did a good job building the world to feel believable. The way the towns function, how you interact with the people and how they each have their own culture and way of life. But with Final Fantasy 15 i never once felt like the World itself was believable because of a few things. One the people barely felt like people because they would never react with what was happening in the story and two the way the towns were set up never made me believe that they were in a world where demons could attacks at any moment. In DQ11 the towns have great barriers, fences and guards posted to make you feel they feel they need to defend the place to let your imagination carry on. But with FF15 at most you see lights on at night and nothing else... so nothing protects these hubs or lil towns during the day where there are still monsters???

  • @something1558
    @something1558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to see you make more videos on video games I love the way you go in depth about this stuff

  • @theinfernoburns
    @theinfernoburns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the Tim Rodgers shout out!!! Subbed!!!

  • @stefismano
    @stefismano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, but quick correction in about 5:14, You couldn't find Dr. Valentino because he's not in Lonalulu, he's actually in Puerto Valor

  • @arieldominguez2905
    @arieldominguez2905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could say is a Re:Chain of Memories

  • @solar_kirby221
    @solar_kirby221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is very good and every few minutes I’m surprised that you don’t have more subscribers

  • @Micha-mh7di
    @Micha-mh7di 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that bossfight hard as shit when playing draconic missions no cap

    • @bucket6585
      @bucket6585 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      and most of them are rng based

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean the fight against the black Dragon ?

  • @felixakadeutschgott1983
    @felixakadeutschgott1983 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The drag on is worth a like alone

  • @Chococodile
    @Chococodile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Idk about you but the Aural Serpent faded my whole team the first few times I fought him

  • @muhammadnour283
    @muhammadnour283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really wish I played this game on draconian mode, but by the time I realized it was too late

  • @deIusionaI6
    @deIusionaI6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So um when we getting the next monster hunter world vid

  • @StepBaum
    @StepBaum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you work on a video and one of your favourite youtubers just "steals" the idea. Glad to see, since this is such a great game. Honestly. Na danke dafür lmao

  • @RichardParker84188
    @RichardParker84188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    with harder monsters on the boss is actually super tough

  • @kfed9834
    @kfed9834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Serpent is actually a pain on stronger enemies Draconian settings, I'd say probably the hardest boss in act 2..
    Also Two time boss fight if you care to actually play the whole game but I guess most players would give up after act 2.. and Oh boy Act 3 serpent with harder enemies, even though you have a bigger party it's still pretty insane.. not the hardest fight in Act 3 by a landslide, but still within the top 5 imo (for Dragon Quest XI S) only the top 2 for regular Dragon quest with the many less battles in that version of the game

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I totally agree, even without draconian settings, the serpent was such a pain to fight, I still don't understand if it's the serpent being too strong for this part of the story, or the lack of stats and/or skills of the party, but it was still hard.
      Once I reach my goal of beating Calasmos and timewyrm with max possible stats, I might try to do a true draconian quest (I mean with more settings than just exp limit and stronger ennemies). It'll be a hell

    • @kfed9834
      @kfed9834 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@phantom9831 I tried all settings turned on but early game is such an RNG fest and without farming seeds you'd need to start every boss battle with pep powers until you unlock a party of 4.. and then not having hero in the main party to not get focused and sent to title screen.. just very annoying

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kfed9834 well it surely is still possible somehow, and to be honest, I think I'll add one or two settings after another on multiple runs, to know how far I can go

    • @kfed9834
      @kfed9834 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@phantom9831 there is some guy on TH-cam or twitch that did all draconian settings, it's definitely possible, but early game with only hero and Erik is painful to play especially with shypox or hero just getting focused for no reason

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kfed9834 Yeah I can see that

  • @thefishinthepercolator3031
    @thefishinthepercolator3031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Isn't memory/ Re-memory just the same thing as remembrance?

    • @merienda4958
      @merienda4958 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well it says it in the name

  • @alxandernero
    @alxandernero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn you and your puns. Take my upvote!

  • @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer
    @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *Shadow* of *memories*
    Gee, I wonder what would hint at the *entire* game being this😅

  • @charlesdemarest1171
    @charlesdemarest1171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Memory and Re-memory...you mean foreshadowing?

  • @NoirRaven
    @NoirRaven 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't mind how long this video took, though some of the explanations felt redundant; repeating points already established, that kind of thing but still a great video none the less.

  • @HibiTeamQueso
    @HibiTeamQueso 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are sorry?
    Sir, I was looking for videos about DQ XI and this is perfect.
    I wish you would spend even more time tslking 🤣

  • @Giggles_iJest
    @Giggles_iJest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:03 I mean technically it does affect the story cause you get better gear/stats with more coin and thus you beat Alduin quicker. Which really turns the narrative into you being OP from the start...
    Then again dovahkiin is meant to be OP from the get-go so... 😂

  • @The_Big_Jay
    @The_Big_Jay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the font in the video the same as Achievement Hunter's GameFails used?

    • @Oceaniz
      @Oceaniz  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have no clue what that is but maybe! The font used is Futura Medium, which is a free to use font so it's definetly possible

    • @The_Big_Jay
      @The_Big_Jay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Oceaniz You can look them up, something like "GameFails rooster teeth" As you can probably tell, they used to be a type of video rooster teeth did that got it's own channel that was just user submitted funny moments and glitches, but they stopped uploading in 2016. Lmao, I'm actually still subscribed.

  • @RPK_96
    @RPK_96 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    O heII yeah, Dragon queast
    Its been some month but i love DX11 playing it fore the 2th time and the 2020 anime is sweet to

  • @panagiotisdoulaveris5592
    @panagiotisdoulaveris5592 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love it of you made some videos for trailss of cold steel series..amazing jrpgs series

  • @manjeetsingh-rf5fs
    @manjeetsingh-rf5fs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video

  • @WhosDnisify
    @WhosDnisify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bruh that dragon... I couldn't care less... I was grinding in Gallopolis, went to beat Gyldegard coz it was my First Fight I honestly had to grind for, then went to that dragon and was like "HoLy ShIt ItS bLaCk ShEnGlOnG"
    Just to later find out that we actually get splitted up in form of balls just Like the Dragonballs lmao. Wasn't enough that our MC is basically Trunks who got isekai'd

  • @KyleTO7
    @KyleTO7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this PS4 or switch footage?

  • @swandivemedia9249
    @swandivemedia9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DOS2 PTSD

  • @muhammadnour283
    @muhammadnour283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet you wrote down that pun in your script, then thought about whether or not to take it out for a good amount of time... and you made the right decision

  • @TreeOfTurles
    @TreeOfTurles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great timing to put out a DQ11 video for me.
    I just started my second playthrough of it last week, (this time on the switch) uncanny

    • @TreeOfTurles
      @TreeOfTurles 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also the Doctor is in Puerto Valor not Lonalulu but no big deal

  • @sesereddead465
    @sesereddead465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is this your first video game review?

    • @swandivemedia9249
      @swandivemedia9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      he should do anime reviews i want to hear what he thinks about my hero academia.

  • @RoseGarden17
    @RoseGarden17 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was actually really interesting

  • @kwesichristian5517
    @kwesichristian5517 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aaaaand you just gained a new subscriber :))))

  • @SergioAlvarez45
    @SergioAlvarez45 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is the Dragonequest 8 protagonist in this game or is that just a skin?😂

    • @chaval6903
      @chaval6903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      just an outfit for the main hero

  • @yourstrulyjohnnydollar8775
    @yourstrulyjohnnydollar8775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I liked this video, but that pun at the end almost made me give it a thumbs down instead. Friends don't let friends make puns.

  • @cashordeals3672
    @cashordeals3672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I swear I thought that hero was gonna fight kaido from one piece 🤣

  • @randallbonillasandoval896
    @randallbonillasandoval896 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you continue doing Dragon Quest videos, I will watch them full

  • @bestfrikndonuts
    @bestfrikndonuts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Ukrainian!

  • @saudbintalib2567
    @saudbintalib2567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2021 is going to be a great year for series like One Piece,My Hero Academia, Black Clover,Boruto,Dragon Ball Super,Bleach,Jujutsu Kaisen,Chainsaw Man,Edens Zero,Seven Deadly Sins etc.

    • @kasriouiyassir
      @kasriouiyassir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chainsaw man been done tho

    • @saudbintalib2567
      @saudbintalib2567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kasriouiyassir there's the anime adaptation and a sequel soooooo.......

    • @יונתןעברון
      @יונתןעברון 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Attack on titan?!

    • @saudbintalib2567
      @saudbintalib2567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@יונתןעברון Attack On Titan is ending quite soon....

  • @Pikaman20008
    @Pikaman20008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You didn’t have to apologize about the subject matter of the video being something unimportant, I found it interesting nonetheless. But I will never and I mean *never* forgive you for that pun at the end.

  • @bait4sale9001
    @bait4sale9001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still hold DQ11 very low regards, but I did appreciate it making a more stable world than most other games or stories.

  • @Tyler_Frenzy
    @Tyler_Frenzy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mha hater

    • @sesereddead465
      @sesereddead465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is this sarcastic? A lot of his mha videos is him praising it....

    • @herothinker4846
      @herothinker4846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sesereddead465 Yes, its sarcasm.

    • @Tyler_Frenzy
      @Tyler_Frenzy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sesereddead465 what else would it be

    • @swandivemedia9249
      @swandivemedia9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      my favorite Mha character is Sasuke Ichigo from the fire nation.

    • @sesereddead465
      @sesereddead465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tyler_Frenzy it just seemed irrelevant to this video...

  • @OvermasterP
    @OvermasterP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im unsubbing for the dragon joke

  • @trainer-mana
    @trainer-mana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hate Dragon Quest.
    It ruined smash bros.

    • @MaximumAddition
      @MaximumAddition 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How so? Genuinely curious why you think that, if anything it seems like it adds to the game being a celebration of gaming history

    • @trainer-mana
      @trainer-mana 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MaximumAddition Random crits can vivisect me.

    • @trainer-mana
      @trainer-mana 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wert-eo7sz And crits, don't forget the crits. But yeah, I'm not exactly a fan of people mashing down b and praying to jesus that whatever OP spell comes out will win them the game.