I had a 3" lift installed at a professional shop when we bought the jeep brand new in 2012. I have had nothing but issues with the jeep from day one and it has been to 3 different shops with them replacing this thing and that thing. We have spent a ton of money trying to get the jeep to handle correctly over the years. I ran across this video about a month ago and found that we had stock links in. I have changed them out with the correct ones and what a difference it has made. It is like having a new Jeep. It is fun to drive finally, and it only took 12yrs and $30 to fix it!!!!!! Thank you for this video!
Mine inverted today. It was terrible. Luckily it just got bound up on top of the drag link. I did have to smash them out. I’m looking for new ones today. I did not know it could invert. Great info. Thank you sir
I'm here because I just had inversions on both sides with my new adjustable links. In a Lowes parking lot of all places. A couple of guys from the Orlando Jeep Club sent me here to get some education. I think I'm better now, thanks!
I'm getting ready to fab some links for my XJ with a junkyard lift. Thanks for the information! Proper sway bar geometry is something that not a lot of people talk about. I've been getting by with some cheapos from Amazon as a stop-gap, and I wouldn't recommend they be a permanent solution.
Glad I saw this video!!! I got my Jeep with a lift and the sway bar is point down normally, the stabilizer links are very short. I always thought it looked weird but idk any better. I guess I’ll buy adjustable front ones on
I just had this happen to me. It inverted, bent both links and my drag link. I had no idea I needed longer links till this happened and I saw your video. Oh, 4.5" lift.
So as I was thinking about this watching this video, it was making sense. As I’ve broke two stock rear sway bars. Not a jeep. And they may have inverted. But the more I think about it, the sway bar is trying to push back up, the opposite of inverting. Unless both tires are drooping. And in my case one was up and one was down, both times it broke. It actually breaks the sway bar at one of the frame bushings each time.
Hi.great Sunday. I have a 2014 Rubicon since lately the track bar bracket on the diff housing keeps breaking off what could be causing it. Ha e it more than 3 years a d just start this problem
No sway bar... It's like steering a boat! :D I've had mine disconnected since October 2019. It was tough getting it disconnected so I wanted to readjust everything before hooking it back up. Thanks for the info.
On my 2013 Chevy suburban I put a 5-1/4" welded in coil perch to get lift. I extended the stock sway bar end links by the same 5- 1/4". Now I have a problem with the driver side sway bar end link enlarging the hole at the mount on the frame. Any ideas why it's doing that or how to fix it? I was going to weld a thickened washer to the Mount so it stops enlarging.... however there seems to be a geometrical problem
2018 JK sport with a superlift kit, bought used no clue which lift they bought, has a bracket on the axle that the factory 5" link bolts to making the link 9" in total, sway bar is level sitting flat on pavement, buying some new Links from a 4×4 shop that are non adjustable disconnects 12.5" long, they recommended, but it seems if I do buy them and install them it's going to push the sway bar up almost into the coil springs metal top cups, is this to high, eventually I will be getting a real 3" or 4" lift but that's probably a couple of years into the future
What if they are too tall? Or can to talk be bad. I have a 2.5” lift and mistakenly (thanks to manufacture reps telling me they’d work but are not right height ) have bought a couple sets that won’t work. Now I have a set that I think could be too tall. They are rough country and for a 3.5-4” lift. Again rep told me they will work. But the sway bar is going to sit about 2 inches higher than right now ( now I have perf t angle. Just about an 1/2 inch above level with the correct sky jacker end links. These are no longer made is why I didn’t replace with them. Prob is the bushings are shot and again they no longer make that type bushing. So my question is how bad is it to have longer than needed. What’s about the max angle of one’s that are longer ?
Great video. Still a little over my head. I just bought my 1st Jeep. (2013). And it is lifted. (Not sure how much, guessing a 4 to 5 inch lift). My front sway bar is angled down a bit. I have yet to look at the rear. From what I understand you want it level to a slight upwards angle?. What adjustable links would you recommend?
I had a 3in Bds lift on my jeep and I’m noticing the 3/4 lean.. I know the lean is normal for lifted Jeeps butter lift came with the adjustable jks links. I’m noting the drivers side link is out 1/2 in longer than the passenger link. Could this be causing the lean?
On mine , the sway bar is not flat to the ground but slightly pointing up towards the driver.. in other words 80 degrees because we ve put a lift kit, the rear stock sway link was moved to the front..but 6 months later i have replaced that with a quick disconnect....however i kept that angle slightly higher. The sway bar is not 90 degrees with the link but more or less 80 degrees i dont think it will ever invert .. Should i keep it in 80 or set to a perfect 90?
Dr. I have a question. I just installed a Dynatrac 2.5" lift on my 2022 JL. This kit does move the longer rear sway bar links to the front. Once I had everything buttoned up, my sway bar links no longer align and I can't get the secured. The passenger side is about an inch too low from the sway bar, and the driver's side is the correct height of the way bar, but about an inch too far outboard. Any ideas on how to correct? Are sway bar links supposed to be perfectly vertical? Thank you. Great video!
U talk mostly about the front swzy bars, i'm replacing the sway bars in rear, which Are 13.5" long. can i replacd those with 14" or 12+? cant find same size
I bought the metalcloak lock and load 4.5 kit after installation noticed the sway bar links up more than normal.. call metalcloak and they said it's the right high for that suspencion Do you have any info.. Thanks
Correct, because the MC system nets so much suspension travel (especially down travel) your sway bar angle will be quite high upwards. Which doesn’t hurt anything as long as it can move smooth and clear of obstruction. That’s a nice kit.
I am new to Jeeps... Drove my son's Jeep brand new for a year in 2008 after the lift kit, she rode great . She's mine now and still original parts, recently I had an issue with death wobble which was taken care off, added steering stabilizer and other steering parts as well as new shocks, but I still feel scared,, she seems to float, sway, you have to be super attentive to the steering while driving on paved roads, she drifts a bit So many components watching your great video... any hints!! My next steps are new tires, they are still good, but no idea what else to do or where to look... Would appreciate a reply! TY
I have a 88yj and just took sway and track bars off. The ride was much smoother and only notice body sway in a turn on uneven road. I drive about 50/50 street/trail. Do you suggest even bother with a sway bar at all even with quick disconnects? I have a 4 inch lift and was not aware of inversion so glad I watched this video as PO didnt not make adjustments for lift.
Ummm so about determining that length…..I thought there’d be a little math in this video or, at the very least, a part recommendation…Is having the sway bar “flat or even a little raked”, a Mopar spec? I’m not trying to be an ass but the title of the video asks a very specific question that the video doesn’t answer
Sofia that would be a great start, also depending on the kit to get a much better ride we usually swap out to softer coil springs and performance shocks.
Since the guy in this video can’t explain what’s going on I will. You have a greater thrust angle with your control arms. That increases wheel loads. Your cool spring should be compressed the same as when it was stock unless the shock are limiting rebound travel and creating a certain load number in the spring statically. Many many factors.
Can you please tell me what angle the rear sway bar should be relative to the link? I understand that the front should be at or near 90 degrees (sway bar nearly parallel to the ground). Should the rear be the same? I have a 4.5 inch lift and I noticed the rear sway bar is pointing downward at about a 45 degree angle from parallel to the ground. Thanks!
Hmm so if I understood correctly a 2.5-3 inch lift on a stock solid axle sway bar would be ok if I’m over landing correct? No need to upgrade for longer links? Thank you sir 04 WJ
Maurice Mejia drdeathwobble.com/collections/steer-smarts-jeep-jl-jlu-jt-products/products/yeti-xd-jk-jl-jt-sway-bar-end-link-kit-2-5-3-5-lift these work well on JK and JL Wranglers.
Dr, I respectfully disagree. Sway bar link length is determined by your suspension travel, not ride height. If one has 10" of total travel, 5" up and 5" down, the links should be set so the sway bar is LEVEL. (equal travel both ways). MOST Jeeps have more down travel than up travel , so the links are set to angle the sway bar slightly up. The folks who invented the antilock sway bar go into the process in great detail... cycling your suspension, taking measurements, etc. TL:DR - The quick and dirty way is to hang the axle from the shocks. Then make sure the swaybar links aren't pulled tight. They should have a bit of a kink/angle in them so the swaybar can't flip the opposite direction.
On my 2003 Jeep TJ after ive lifted it 3.5 inches and running 33x12.50 15x10 Rims. Ive replaced a lot of lower suspension. Now when i push or let off the gas pedal and when i change gears the rearend shifts to the left.WHY?
I had a 3" lift installed at a professional shop when we bought the jeep brand new in 2012. I have had nothing but issues with the jeep from day one and it has been to 3 different shops with them replacing this thing and that thing. We have spent a ton of money trying to get the jeep to handle correctly over the years. I ran across this video about a month ago and found that we had stock links in. I have changed them out with the correct ones and what a difference it has made. It is like having a new Jeep. It is fun to drive finally, and it only took 12yrs and $30 to fix it!!!!!! Thank you for this video!
Thank you for explaining the unrepresented complexities of adding a lift kit. Super helpful, keep up the good work!
Caleb Gibbons thank you
Wow, I love how fast and to the point this guy talks! I understand things better when they are presented directly and quickly, just like this video.
Mine inverted today. It was terrible. Luckily it just got bound up on top of the drag link. I did have to smash them out. I’m looking for new ones today. I did not know it could invert. Great info. Thank you sir
I'm here because I just had inversions on both sides with my new adjustable links. In a Lowes parking lot of all places. A couple of guys from the Orlando Jeep Club sent me here to get some education.
I think I'm better now, thanks!
Good explanation. It has put my mind at ease knowing that what I did with my jk is correct. Thanks
Timbo thank you!
Thank you so much for the info. You explanation make perfect sense and was so helpful.
I'm getting ready to fab some links for my XJ with a junkyard lift. Thanks for the information! Proper sway bar geometry is something that not a lot of people talk about. I've been getting by with some cheapos from Amazon as a stop-gap, and I wouldn't recommend they be a permanent solution.
Glad I saw this video!!! I got my Jeep with a lift and the sway bar is point down normally, the stabilizer links are very short. I always thought it looked weird but idk any better. I guess I’ll buy adjustable front ones on
I just had this happen to me. It inverted, bent both links and my drag link. I had no idea I needed longer links till this happened and I saw your video. Oh, 4.5" lift.
So as I was thinking about this watching this video, it was making sense. As I’ve broke two stock rear sway bars. Not a jeep. And they may have inverted. But the more I think about it, the sway bar is trying to push back up, the opposite of inverting. Unless both tires are drooping. And in my case one was up and one was down, both times it broke. It actually breaks the sway bar at one of the frame bushings each time.
Hi.great Sunday. I have a 2014 Rubicon since lately the track bar bracket on the diff housing keeps breaking off what could be causing it. Ha e it more than 3 years a d just start this problem
Good video, I definitely learn something man. Keep them coming...
I’m not sure sure what size spring lift is on it but I did buy new fox 2.0 1.5”-3.5” shocks for it so it’s no bigger then 3.5”
No sway bar... It's like steering a boat! :D I've had mine disconnected since October 2019. It was tough getting it disconnected so I wanted to readjust everything before hooking it back up. Thanks for the info.
Absolutely! I had a jeep that would ride on the bumpstops while taking a turn without a sway bar lol.
On my 2013 Chevy suburban I put a 5-1/4" welded in coil perch to get lift. I extended the stock sway bar end links by the same 5- 1/4". Now I have a problem with the driver side sway bar end link enlarging the hole at the mount on the frame. Any ideas why it's doing that or how to fix it? I was going to weld a thickened washer to the Mount so it stops enlarging.... however there seems to be a geometrical problem
Answered all my questions, thanks!
Im planning to lift 2.5 with the terraflex lift is this just a starter lift since it does not come with longer swaybar connectors
2018 JK sport with a superlift kit, bought used no clue which lift they bought, has a bracket on the axle that the factory 5" link bolts to making the link 9" in total, sway bar is level sitting flat on pavement, buying some new Links from a 4×4 shop that are non adjustable disconnects 12.5" long, they recommended, but it seems if I do buy them and install them it's going to push the sway bar up almost into the coil springs metal top cups, is this to high, eventually I will be getting a real 3" or 4" lift but that's probably a couple of years into the future
What if they are too tall? Or can to talk be bad. I have a 2.5” lift and mistakenly (thanks to manufacture reps telling me they’d work but are not right height ) have bought a couple sets that won’t work. Now I have a set that I think could be too tall. They are rough country and for a 3.5-4” lift. Again rep told me they will work. But the sway bar is going to sit about 2 inches higher than right now ( now I have perf t angle. Just about an 1/2 inch above level with the correct sky jacker end links. These are no longer made is why I didn’t replace with them. Prob is the bushings are shot and again they no longer make that type bushing. So my question is how bad is it to have longer than needed. What’s about the max angle of one’s that are longer ?
Great video. Still a little over my head.
I just bought my 1st Jeep. (2013). And it is lifted. (Not sure how much, guessing a 4 to 5 inch lift).
My front sway bar is angled down a bit. I have yet to look at the rear.
From what I understand you want it level to a slight upwards angle?.
What adjustable links would you recommend?
Thoughts on the dorman adjustable sway bar link??
I would recommend sticking to and off road designed and tested brand (assuming this is for off road use) vs. a Dorman brand.
@@dr.deathwobble4899 For my 08 jkur. Trying to get rid of my recent dw experience..
I had a 3in Bds lift on my jeep and I’m noticing the 3/4 lean.. I know the lean is normal for lifted Jeeps butter lift came with the adjustable jks links. I’m noting the drivers side link is out 1/2 in longer than the passenger link. Could this be causing the lean?
how do you measure they front sway bar links with a 2 inch lift
On mine , the sway bar is not flat to the ground but slightly pointing up towards the driver.. in other words 80 degrees because we ve put a lift kit, the rear stock sway link was moved to the front..but 6 months later i have replaced that with a quick disconnect....however i kept that angle slightly higher. The sway bar is not 90 degrees with the link but more or less 80 degrees i dont think it will ever invert .. Should i keep it in 80 or set to a perfect 90?
Great info, answered all my questions. thank you
Excellent video
mazinali Thank You. Make sure to follow along on Facebook and Instagram
Doc is a sway bar link replacement needed if I hear clank noise when I go over bumps.
I have this same thing. It's not super obvious but I hear it. I was thinking end link and body mount bushings
Dr. I have a question. I just installed a Dynatrac 2.5" lift on my 2022 JL. This kit does move the longer rear sway bar links to the front. Once I had everything buttoned up, my sway bar links no longer align and I can't get the secured. The passenger side is about an inch too low from the sway bar, and the driver's side is the correct height of the way bar, but about an inch too far outboard. Any ideas on how to correct? Are sway bar links supposed to be perfectly vertical? Thank you. Great video!
U talk mostly about the front swzy bars, i'm replacing the sway bars in rear, which Are 13.5" long. can i replacd those with 14" or 12+? cant find same size
I bought the metalcloak lock and load 4.5 kit after installation noticed the sway bar links up more than normal.. call metalcloak and they said it's the right high for that suspencion
Do you have any info..
Thanks
Correct, because the MC system nets so much suspension travel (especially down travel) your sway bar angle will be quite high upwards. Which doesn’t hurt anything as long as it can move smooth and clear of obstruction. That’s a nice kit.
I am new to Jeeps...
Drove my son's Jeep brand new for a year in 2008 after the lift kit, she rode great . She's mine now and still original parts, recently I had an issue with death wobble which was taken care off, added steering stabilizer and other steering parts as well as new shocks, but I still feel scared,, she seems to float, sway, you have to be super attentive to the steering while driving on paved roads, she drifts a bit
So many components watching your great video... any hints!!
My next steps are new tires, they are still good, but no idea what else to do or where to look...
Would appreciate a reply!
TY
I have a 88yj and just took sway and track bars off. The ride was much smoother and only notice body sway in a turn on uneven road. I drive about 50/50 street/trail. Do you suggest even bother with a sway bar at all even with quick disconnects? I have a 4 inch lift and was not aware of inversion so glad I watched this video as PO didnt not make adjustments for lift.
Ummm so about determining that length…..I thought there’d be a little math in this video or, at the very least, a part recommendation…Is having the sway bar “flat or even a little raked”, a Mopar spec? I’m not trying to be an ass but the title of the video asks a very specific question that the video doesn’t answer
I had a leveling kit put on my rubicon and 33 tires
Since then my ride has been shit
Do I need a longer sway bar link
Sofia that would be a great start, also depending on the kit to get a much better ride we usually swap out to softer coil springs and performance shocks.
Since the guy in this video can’t explain what’s going on I will. You have a greater thrust angle with your control arms. That increases wheel loads. Your cool spring should be compressed the same as when it was stock unless the shock are limiting rebound travel and creating a certain load number in the spring statically. Many many factors.
Anyone know of a trustworthy Jeep shop in Toronto canada
Just wondering was the guy that installed my leveling kit. So pose to tell this before doing this work
@@RaceMentally that was super helpful
Thanks Doc, extremely helpful!
Can you please tell me what angle the rear sway bar should be relative to the link? I understand that the front should be at or near 90 degrees (sway bar nearly parallel to the ground). Should the rear be the same? I have a 4.5 inch lift and I noticed the rear sway bar is pointing downward at about a 45 degree angle from parallel to the ground. Thanks!
Gracias por el video es lo que buscaba, Saludos de Chile
Do you recommend changing also the rear sway bar links after a lift?
Julio in most cases yes. Some small lifts 2” and below it won’t be necessary. But most cases yes changing to longer rear links is 100% necessary
Dr.Deathwobble Thank you sir, 💪🏻, liked the video a lot.
@@dr.deathwobble4899 how much long(rear and front)? same as the lift? 2" longer on all 4 links?
Excellent video! Thank you
Hmm so if I understood correctly a 2.5-3 inch lift on a stock solid axle sway bar would be ok if I’m over landing correct? No need to upgrade for longer links?
Thank you sir
04 WJ
Santiago Hernandez that is incorrect. Lift will require longer sway bar links
Dr.Deathwobble Got it. Thank you sir
Great video, is there a chart that suggest what length to set front sway bar links? Asking for my 3.5 lift. (Noob here)
Maurice Mejia drdeathwobble.com/collections/steer-smarts-jeep-jl-jlu-jt-products/products/yeti-xd-jk-jl-jt-sway-bar-end-link-kit-2-5-3-5-lift these work well on JK and JL Wranglers.
So you are saying having a longer sway bar link (the sway bar is angled upwards rather than horizontal) is a fine scenario to be in?
Yes 10-15° is fine.
Dr, I respectfully disagree. Sway bar link length is determined by your suspension travel, not ride height. If one has 10" of total travel, 5" up and 5" down, the links should be set so the sway bar is LEVEL. (equal travel both ways). MOST Jeeps have more down travel than up travel , so the links are set to angle the sway bar slightly up. The folks who invented the antilock sway bar go into the process in great detail... cycling your suspension, taking measurements, etc.
TL:DR - The quick and dirty way is to hang the axle from the shocks. Then make sure the swaybar links aren't pulled tight. They should have a bit of a kink/angle in them so the swaybar can't flip the opposite direction.
I completely agree with you. This is just an easy method to make sure your Jeep will not invert your sway bar and links.
People still run sway bars?
On my 2003 Jeep TJ after ive lifted it 3.5 inches and running 33x12.50 15x10 Rims. Ive replaced a lot of lower suspension. Now when i push or let off the gas pedal and when i change gears the rearend shifts to the left.WHY?
Do you have a a Detroit in the rear by chance?
Thank you
Thanks Doc
Thank you so much I will send you a pic
That is the. explanation I’ve seen
Stabilizer itself not going to help a death wobble
Dr green thumb