How to FIX Death Wobble in a Jeep Wrangler | TRACK BARS Explained
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- We explain one of the biggest issues causing death wobble in a Jeep Wrangler JL, JK, TJ, XJ, LJ, or MJ. Loose track bar bushings are very common and can be very easy to diagnose when causing death wobble in a Jeep Wrangler. Track bar upgrade options are plentiful for the Jeep platform and we can help find the right fit for your Jeep Wrangler.
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Probably one of the best presentations and explanations on this issue. Thanks.
TWD b-eats dead horses all of the time. Great info. Death wobble could have killed me last year.
Do u need to do an alignment after track bar installed
Yeah driving down I-70 just west of Denver at a mere 50mph hitting those bumps, I popped way over in the other lane. Fortunately no accidents. Jeep JK.
have this problem with a jeep wrangler jk only when I take curves at low speed. What could be the problem
Hey... been enjoying ur videos... subscribe btw... can I ask a question.
I recently went to 38 from 35... and been getting a lot of bump steer..
I’m getting it aligned... still planning on ‘breaking’ in the tires at a low psi..
See if these help... cause I had no issues before the bigger tire... so I’m assuming work on diagnosing them first... hope u don’t mind me bugging from time to time if it don’t help lol
More than welcome to ask questions! I have a bump steer video coming out soon. If you can message me on Facebook I can respond much quicker and we can sort this out!
great info thank you
Will the track bar fix wandering on the road?
2019 JLUR Billet Silver Metallic no but these will. Once ordered let me know and I will walk you through adjustments drdeathwobble.com/collections/jeep-jl-jlu-jt-products/products/teraflex-jl-jlu-alpine-front-lower-control-arm-kit
dont they have this for jk?
Who else turned their head when he coughed so you wouldn't get the Rona
19hundo c well this was over a year ago. So maybe I was ahead of the curve.
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Ummm really man your video is pointless all you was saying and describing are different types of mounting applications nothing to fix death wobble
Have you watched the rest of the series that goes along with this video? There is much more to diagnosing death wobble accurately than just this one video.
Awesome video! I just replaced my track bar but still getting violent death wobble.. now to hit the next thing on my list
Fantastic video. Great presentation, clear and easy to understand. A lot of questions I had were answered in the video.
Thank You David
What about a stock Jeep? It's a 2009 JKU 2x4. 160k miles. I replaced tires, front tire rod, alignment and steering suspension.
I have a stock 06 TJ. I have death wobble. I could see the bushings on the track bar were worn. I replaced the track bar with an adjustable one because I am going to put a 2 1/2 inch lift on it. I made sure everything was tight and the steering wheel was centered. The death wobble it worse. Do you have any suggestions?
I changed my track bar and have one that is adjustable. That did not fix the problem. What should I do next?
Replaced my track bar...still has wobble. I think the bolt hold might be a little worn. Jeep XJ.What about tie rod ends?
Major Weakness check out my tie rod video next 👍
@@dr.deathwobble4899 will do thanks!
@@MajorWeakness Thank you for watching
its a shame when people are coming up with own solutions and company doesnt give a shit.
ID SAY THAT BRACKET HAS ISSUES...LOL..
The one I just had was bone stock at 100k mile with newer ball joints. It started after I did a wheel rotate. A Chrysler tech insisted hed stop by on his road test. He had me rocking the wheel and didnt see a damn thing. You shoulda seen how nice these tires are too! Barely needed a balance. We went with the leaky original damper since there was nothing to find, other than the Generals with 80% life!
Mine would take off at 45 and wet pavement made it violent. JKS track bar Rusty's drag link and tie rod fixed the problem completely
This is concise and super clear! And I appreciate the dead horse beating segment a lot.
just had a track bar put on my 02 jeep grand cherokee ....took a lot of the wobble out but still has a little play
Thanks it looks like I'll be adding a HD track bar to the list of Moog ball joints Rusty's off road tie rod and drag link Great geometry lesson.
Dave B check out the Synergy HD Tie Rod and Drag Link 👌
Question Please: If the track bar centers the axle, what does the lower and upper control arms do? Seems they would center it? Newbie here so I got questions. Thanks
The upper and lower control arms center the vehicle in a triangulated 4 link setup, but in the JL and JK there is very little triangulation because of how they have to package the suspension so the track bar is there to center the axle and hold it centered. THANKS for the question!!
Dr.Deathwobble thank you!
They hold the axle housing in place so the factory alignment. Works as designed. Tilted forward or back and it all goes to hell or out of spec.
I get a lot of bump steer How can I fix it ??
I have a 2012 jk I have replaced the track bar. Replaced the shocks with Bilstein. Jeep has a small spring spacer lift on top. Also replaced my Swaybar links with a adjustable pair. New wheels and tires properly balanced. Still have shaking. More noticeable on hard stops or long curves. Any ideas I was thinking possibly brake rotors?
Working on my JK 2-Door at the moment. It has 4" lift springs, and I'm trying to figure out the trackbar "science". I don't have a drop pitman arm, and my drag link and trackbar are both mounted in the factory positions. This has them running parallel. I've upgraded my trackbar to an adjustable Rough Country trackbar, and adjusted it to center my axle beneath the Jeep. The drag link has also been adjusted so that my passenger wheel is straight with the steering wheel (pending minor adjustments at an actual alignment shop), and this has my trackbar and drag link running parallel in relation to each other. Obviously without any brackets to raise or lower either end, this changes the angle they sit at, but the axle is centered. I've seen some online discussions say that the two bars running parallel in relation to each other is the main important thing, and that a trackbar relocation bracket shouldn't be necessary if the trackbar itself is adjustable. I've also been advised that the bracket is still necessary even with an adjustable trackbar, and that I'll also need a drag link flip kit (I think the JKS kit even uses a bracket that relocates the mounting position for both). Is the angle itself a concern in addition to whether the drag and track are parallel to each other, or is this another case of Jeep guys racing to buy as much expensive aftermarket BS as possible?
OK. question. I have replaced everything they say that causes a death wobble. But i still have the death wobble??? and no one can figure out why its still doing it??
Track bar is literally the main reason my 11' Wrangler gets lose after every couple months have to torque it down time for a lift and new parts lmfao
Dodge/Chrysler/ Mopar shit engineering. Love/ hate my damn Jeep.
Thank you....to the point!!
Thank You Tony
I don't have death wobble I have vibration somewhere in the front end 55 to 60 ... all four tires have been realigned and balanced
Dallas Bailes Me to did you ever resolve if so what was cause?
@@vmgarner09 well brother I think it's the arm bushings upper and lower
Your video is awesome!! How about the same in depth on the rear for my JK with 37”s and a 3.5” lift? Nobody does the rear and overlooks the issues with bump steer on the road. Thanks again
My problem wasn’t the track bar it was the ball joints.
So here is my problem. I bought a 2016 jku Sahara. It has a 3" zone lift. They put two steering stabilizers on, sometimes depending on the road and weather (rain) it feels like a fight to keep her straight on the road. The Jeep has 35x12.5x20 tires on er. It's not necessarily a wobble it's just more of a fight. I'm always having to correct it to get the jeep to drive straight and if I o we correct I'm found trying to correct the over correct if that makes sense. I plan on taking the driver side stabilizer off to see if it helps or reveals the real problem.
Check your Caster. Go get an alignment done, preferably from a 4x4 shop, but any will do. You need a good amount of positive caster. Your lift hopefully provided adjustable lower control arms. If not, you will need to get them or get some that match the right length for your lift. If your caster is good (mine is about 8.5 degrees positive but 7 is probably good too), then it's not your control arms.
This is an amazing video. I totally understand it now.
I have a 2003 Jeep Wrangler TJ 4 cylinder if have 3 and 1/2 lift kit what is the name that I need for my front for the death wobble I would appreciate if somebody would tell me the name on my part for my Jeep
Watch the rest of the video series.
Thnk u
😂 Maybe
Oh yeah i subscribed haha :)
So WJ is about the same set up up front. Ive replaced the ENTIRE front suspension and steering (Bilstein shocks, moog tie rods, spicer ball joints, moog wheel bearings, 9/16 bolts upper and lower, JKS track bar with new KOR bushings, reman steering box, two different sets of rims and tires). Caster is 7 degrees (recommendation is 4-6) and I STILL have death wobble. 2 offroad shops have wiped their hands of it. Watched all of your videos and they are great you clearly know your shit but I STILL have dw...Any thoughts?
What is toe set at? Also I assume you’ve balanced and rotated tires around. Like to see up to .5 degrees or 1/8” toe out.
Inspect your frame mounts for the track bar.and for the steering box. And steering box condition needs to be tight- no slop in it
I think I need a new trackbar
Trust me on this one, 40 plus years fixing autos. The death wobble is NOT from worn parts!!! It IS due to Too much Negative caster. Have a real alignment done and move caster as much positive as possible with keeping the camber to as close to zero as possible.. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!! Also toe set at 1/16 in on both sides. No more wobble and tires will last much longer.
So in 40 years you have never seen DW caused from a worn component? Seriously? Obviously you have never watched any of my other videos explaining caster... but yes 1 of the main causes for DW is not enough caster. But a worn out track bar bushing can’t cause DW? Hmmm. Toe in is a whole other discussion...If you toe in a Jeep JK or JL you will cause DW in a vast majority of the cases. We have fixed hundreds of Jeep JLs by adjusting from toe in to toe out.
@@dr.deathwobble4899 You are looking into my message like I have no knowledge in repairs, of course worn parts cause instability in many ways. But DW is not from worn parts , it is what causes the premature wear on all the F/E components because they are fighting it always (especially with low tread (bald) tires). First thing to fail is the trackbar so they install super duper trackbar then comes the next weak link and so on. You can change, beef up parts and add stabilizers all you want just prolonging the inevitable. DW will be back! And with the slight toe in it helps to return steering back to center so the driver does not have to, which leads back to why jeeps with solid axles have neg. caster to make the steering effortlessly return back to center. At my shop of course we sold the customer every worn part there was, and then did the fix to stop it from happening again. Not to mention the truck handles way better with Pos caster. We would inform the owner to be aware of how the steering will return. Being the I am retired now I would like someone like yourself to try my method and post the results good or bad.
Andre correcting DW by fixing suspension and steering geometry issues is exactly how we fix DW. I agree with you that quite frequently worn parts are the result of DW not the root cause. I appreciate your tone much more in this second comment. Thanks for watching, check out some of the other videos.
bracket for track bar must b solid & bolt hve to fit dead bang w/holes ck.
pitman arm & track bar angles need to match even if requires cutting& new brackets, ck.
It says you guys are based in Michigan? I'm in need of an alignment soon.
MotoXFreak382 yes we are 989-593-2533
You cured me. Thanks sir.
Does anyone know where to find the fenders on the JK in the back? Are those stock fenders that got cut?
Those are MCE Fenders that we sanded and color matched.
@@dr.deathwobble4899 What was the color match process? Any ballpark of cost?
MetLcloak, teraflex or something else? Which would you recommend. Leaning towards Metalcloak. Thought?
Personal favorites are SteerSmarts and TeraFlex for Track Bars
Dr.Deathwobble my steersmarts bushing a blown out after 10 months...
I have found some DW is from loose or cracked steering box mounts and the skinny tie rod/ adjusting collar on jeeps can flex and be part of the cause. For stock jeeps the axle side track bar bushing and bolt be the first thing to check. Also any of these parts can cause others to wear from DW. Or even break other parts as well including motor mounts.
DW sucks. Watch out for overpriced parts and shyster mechanics. Ps DW CAN be fixed. Jeep is not good at dealing with it and they should be on the problem. But arent
Wanted to add for people new to DW and fixing it, many say a steering stabilizer. Sigh yes it needs to be in good condition. It can mask the problem to have it return next week or next month. As you chase down all your worn parts get the best ones you can afford. And FYI you dont need a 500 to 1000 dollar steering rods setup. Be diligent in your testing and repairs and keep high standards of what are deemed " good parts" condition. Look for oil leaks above to destroy rubber bushings below.fix the leak AND the loose suspension parts
Your awesome
Do you have a brand of those heim style rubber joints?
I use a lot of Barnes 4wd joints personally
Most the time its a stripped out bolt.
There's 2 of em they rub and move just gotta get a new track bar or bigger bolt
Work not so much talk
Not sure if cereal.
Great video new subscriber here!
Most the time its a stripped out bolt.
Track bar has nothing to do with death wobble, it just let's it happen easier.
The root of death wobble is your toe adjustment, it's very critical so you dont drive with a perpendicular load on the tire.
Never have your straight axle toed in, that is most peoples problem.
Start with zero toe , if you have deathwobble toe it towards out very slightly, a little at a time until it stops.
The crown of the road can really affect some tire setups, making them want to track in, even with zero toe. That's why slightly out will correct the issue.
Death wobble is a very serious issue, and there's so much misinformation about it. Sure sometimes a trackbar can make it go away, but it's not the root of the problem. Brand new vehicles can dw, with improper toe, and most shops don't know any better than to just go by the factory specs, which is bullshit.
Trackbar has nothing to do with dw
Yes. Toe in is one of the causes of death wobble but to say it is the only root cause is inaccurate. No amount of toe out can correct a worn bushing, incorrect caster, tire failure etc. When Understanding death wobble you need to look at the steering at the joint level. Yes toe out will preload the joints more to reduce vibration through the system but to overlook the rest of the system and jump right to toe 100% of the time will lead to poor results.
@@dr.deathwobble4899 I'm not talking worn parts, that would be obvious.
I'm talking everything brand new.
Toeing it out slightly relieves the side load on the tire, that's my point, to compensate for road crown.
Also if you have a loose trackbar and deathwobble , that's the best time to set your tracking, because it will deathwobble easier and you can tune it out, before you put your new one on.