Fantastic video. I don't usually comment on videos, but I have to say that you are very professional and knowledgeable about your trade. Exceptional content, great explanations, especially of reasons why pipe bending is better than using fittings. You gave me information I could not find anywhere else on the internet. Cheers!
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it seems to me that when you are measuring for 90 degrees, if you put the square on the bottom of the pipe, and flip the square over to measure the angle of the original end of the pipe against the guide (which I'm assuming is in line with the newly bent end of the pipe) it could be easier to line up?
Thank-you for demonstrating this tool correctly U.H. I have used one of these once but dismissed it as rubbish when all that was rubbish was my technique! I would feel very confident now about getting the bend in the correct place and also getting accurate 90 degree bends. Very informative as usual, I am really enjoying your increased amount of videos recently. Cheers! N.
You are welcome Neil, I had some spare time this week so made a couple. I still have about 100 on my list to make, which I will do when I have the time ;-) Thanks for the comment
I got a tool like this a while ago. I've managed to do a 90 degree bend. Next week I'll need to do multiple loops, and seeing how it should be done gives me confidence that I may actually succeed.
If using pipe benders to bend the pipe to a rounded bay window, would i need to add sand inside the pipe? Or is it lease likely the pipe could cave with a pipe bender?
It depends on the angle and also the pipe. Some pipe does not bend well, I guess it depends on the manufacturer! I’d just try it and if you are having problems, then you can try the sand (perhaps a little heat too- just make sure the sand is dry) Thanks for the comment 👍
Do you know if American pipe and uk pipe is the same? 15mm is 1/2 and 22 is 3/4 in America. But could i use the bender in the video to bend american copper?
Here in canada we have benders for bending conduit ,emt as its called here ,its thin walled about the same as your copper pipe ,we have a 4ft long piece of 3/4 steam pipe screwed into the actual "U" shaped pipe form with a hook on it to hold the pipe in position lay the pipe on the floor stand the bender handle in place and bend to you desired angle all the way to90 degrees you can bend up 1.25 " by hand .Any size above that we use hydraulic benders ,and for very heavy duty electrical installations we use a conduit 4" in diameter and is the same gauge as steam pipe a d is. Ent with a hydralic bender ,it bends the 4" pipe like a wet noodle , google emt bending take a look
my 1st plumbing lesson we where bending pipes and I found it very difficult not bending it just how to use it and you explained it very nicely, thank you can you make more videos like this bending pipes in different angles, in class my tutor told me we had to bend the copper 3 times and the copper pipe looked like a moustache, anyway just want to let you know you I'm subscribing to your channel, it really helped thank you
The expansion and contraction should be minimal and will occur on all pipes that vary in temperature. It stretches the tube slightly on the outside, but it should still be fine for decades! Thanks for the comment 👍
It depends, if you have to pay for the postage. I'd message the firm where you bought it and see what they say! They might politely ask you to grind it, at their risk.
Hello, I may be being a bit silly. I received my heavy duty pipe bender 15mm and 22mm earlier this week. I am unable to move the two arms apart. Is there a bolt that I need to loosen before I can start using this tool? I'm really not that weak so I don't think it's anything to do with my strength. Any help would really be appreciated.
But then you have couplings to connect on both ends. So then you still have as many unions. Just straight ones. Is this better. Also using this on site as a contractor I find fittings easy to access and apply. 1/2” pips is what I work with. Don’t keep a Vice on job site. Is there another tool I should look into.
You might put several bends in one piece of pipe, using the pipe bender, which equals less couplings. You don't need a vice to use this, I only used the vice to make it easier to film ;-) Thanks for the comment 👍
I'm in the US. Looking for a pipe bender to bend 1/2 inch (.0625 OD). 15mm is .59055 OD. I'm guessing your bender won't accept .0625. Do you know any that will accept .0625 OD copper pipe?
This is brilliant i have exactly the same bender and used it once 10 years ago..now need to make a shower riser (long story) and couldnt remember how it works...your tutorial is very clear and concise so thank you it will save me hours of head scratching..cheers!
how can you determine how much flow is reduced by an elbow compared to the flow reduction of the visible narrowing of the pipe in the bend shown in this video? we can all see the pipes diameter has been visibly decreased in the bend.
Tony King Not sure about that as in most domestic plumbing situations this is rarely an issue. Razor talked about bends versus elbows in this video, which might help- th-cam.com/video/uLaZkqfVJHY/w-d-xo.html
Yossi Allen I doubt it. You normally get water hammer when the pressure is high and a valve is closed too quickly. The only way to over come this is to reduce the flow by closing the stop tap slightly or fit a shock arrestor.
Great instructions - many thanks. A novice at this but with your instructions all is going well! Trying to bend 180 degree ie 'u' shape but each time it causes a pinch in the pipe just before I reach the final angle - is it possible to avoid this somehow?
Many thanks for the suggestion - will give it a go. It looks as though all the stretch in the pipe from the bend is compressing at this point and it just can't seem to cope with the full bend!
Hi Nick, when you get to about 90°, or a bit beyond, pull the guide out a few inches so that it can reach round the former and enable you to pull a complete U bend. This will prevent rippling also.
Great video as usual. What make (and price) is the pipe bender. I only ask because I have heard the cheaper makes don't bend 22mm pipe. Could you make a comprehensive video on how to use a digital multi-tester. I would like to do some basic wiring and have seen your videos, unfortunately you don't go into any detail on how these testers work, other than you check the ohmns. Would be nice to see a video on what all the settings on these meters do. Thanks, keep up the great videos.
It's an Eclipse pipe bender and was about £40 from CPC. Multi-meters only do about three basic functions, test for resistance, voltage and current- all of which I have covered- Multi-meter to measure amps multimeter voltage Multi-Meter continuity test I hope this helps ;-) Thanks for the comment
Hi, does anyone know how to bend flat copper pipes? I understand I'd have to stuff the flat copper pipes with, like, fine sand so that kinks won't form when bending. But is there a specific tool to bend flat copper pipes with?
@@ultimatehandyman oh. Thanks for the reply. Hopefully with the bender I got I can get an attachment for it. I might try pad out the form with some duct tape to make it a tight fit to let me away.
how to bend perfectly ?cause my dad have a diy bender but when we bend a tube theres a place where the tube starting to flat not perfect bend or perfect form
Sometimes it is impossible to get a perfect bend. A lot can depend on the quality of the copper tube. Sometimes it will bend better if the tube is heated slightly. Thanks for the comment 👍
@@ultimatehandyman plus of steel is that it’s cheaper. But the negatives are that you need to either press it or use compression fittings. There is no soldering it! Compression fittings is what we use at the company I work for, I thing it looks less neat and they’re really expensive. But I get my boss too, buying press guns for everyone is expensive too!
@@plumbraider2265 I've installed thousands of meters of steel pipe on site, from 1/2" to about 12" in diameter, but that is either threaded (up to 3" ) or flanges are welded on, then it is bolted together. We could only bend up to 3" on site, using the hydraulic pipe bender, anything else was normally made using elbows etc. Thanks for the comments
@@ultimatehandyman yeah that’s the old school pipe, I’m talking about thin walled steel, because in holland we are cheap 😉 Thick walled is a world of it’s own, never done it if I’m honest
I wasn't making anything, this was just a demonstration of how to use the pipe bender for bending 15mm and 22mm pipe for domestic plumbing. Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi! What would be the cheapest tube (pipe) for making things like solid a shopping cart, furniture and would this type of bender would be good for those tube.
Hi, When bending 15mm copper using one of these pipe benders, the outside edge of the pipe 'flattens' and the inside ripples a fair bit. Is this normal? Could the bender be sub-standard? or the pipe perhaps be too thin? I'm assuming there must be standards for copper pipe dims. As an example, I have an 'old' piece of pipe with a 90º bend, left over by a plumber some time ago, that doesn't show these extreme signs of deformation. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks
Some pipe bends better than other makes, for example if you get your pipe from a dedicated plumbers merchants it is often better than pipe purchased from DIY stores. Temperature can also make a difference and you do get a better quality of bend if the pipe is warm ( so never try bending a piece that's been in the garage in winter, unless you warm it first) I hope this helps a little ;-)
Can't be using the ruler like that out on a job though, it takes forever! Gotta just trust your eyes. I'd never bend a 22 mil though, just use press connections or weld, depending on the circumstance. I got one bender for 12 and one for 15. (I work in Sweden)
Yes, the larger the diameter the pipe is the larger the radius. So if you bent a 3 inch pipe to 90 degrees it will be roughly 3 inches longer after bending. Thanks for the comment
***** Thank you, but what I mean is does the pipe lengthen the same amount if the bend is made around a golf ball vs a basketball. I guess the "sharpness" of the bend is what I am asking about. Stay gold.
***** You can only bend the pipe to the former. Each former is made a specific radius so that the pipe does not kink. If you were using 8mm pipe you could bend it around a Golf ball but you could not do that with 22mm pipe as the bend would be too severe for that size of pipe. I'm not sure if you bent a piece of 8mm pipe around a basket ball what would happen to the length of it as it's something I have never tried ;-) Thanks for the comments
Excellent video. Do you show in your how to precisely mark for your bends so you can. Have an idea where they will end up? Thank you for the excellent video. I have recently bent 3/8 D pipe and wound up with kinking. In the. Inner radius. What causes that? Is the copper to soft or inner wall to thin? Just wondering. If you could have some. Helpful tips. Thanks much 👍👍👍
When marking the bends, just remember that the pipe will stretch by the diameter of the pipe. I think the rippling can be reduced by heating the pipe slightly, I'm sure someone suggested filling the tube with sand, but I have never tried that. Thanks for the comment 👍
You can get them on ebay/Amazon etc. I can find 1/2 versions, but not inch versions! If you search for pipe benders, they normally show up in the search results. Thanks for the comment 👍
Yes, very good, but those pipes are bent more than 90 degrees. There are not 90 yet, they are more or less 93. Thank you for your effort to teach us through this video.
I was wondering if you were going to use some sort of filler so that the pipe doesn't kink but I guess aesthetics don't matter in plumbing, so there's no need for that.
+cezar t It depends on the exact composition of the Aluminium tube. For example some stainless steel tube can be bent and some cannot as it distorts and crumples, so it really depends on the type of aluminium used.
+Ultimate Handyman thanks, what I was interested if the bending tool doesnt break or distorts its dies with a stronger material than copper. If it can handle stainless pipe, it should be fine with aluminium too.
+cezar t I don't use this machine for stainless- only copper! We have an hydraulic pipe bender at work, which is used to bend steel pipe up to about three inches in diameter. Some stainless pipe will crumple if you try and bend it using that machine, so you have to ensure you get the correct grade of stainless. It would depend on the grade of aluminium and the wall thickness, but you might be able to bend it using one of these or you might not!
Thank you for responding Ultimate Handyman. There is nothing locking it as far as I can see. The model is exactly the one you use in your video. I even tried to loosen the bolt that goes sideways through both arms at the top-end. Even when loosened, absolutely no movement in the arms whatsoever. It must be faulty, surely?
I took my new pipe bender onto my job today to use for the first time. first bend, the back of the copper fractured outwards, second and third attempts it broke completely, where i gave up and soldered elbows instead! any ideas why this might have happened? It was new 15mm pipe, but also some older pipe broke whilst i was experimenting. Should I heat the pipe first? should it be lubricated?? The pipes broke long before i'd reached 90degs.... Hope you can help, Cheers!
Simon Tappenden I have never had that problem before, although I once bought some copper tube from Do it all years ago and I tried to install a self cutting tap onto it, but it simply crushed the pipe. When you buy copper pipe it's only guaranteed to be the correct size on the outside diameter, which means that can try to make it really thin to increase their profits! I'm guessing the pipe you bought was not bought from a local plumbers merchants? Also what make is the pipe bender?
Thanks for your quick answer! The pipe was bought at a reputable plumbers merchant, but the bender was from ebay, it is made by 'Marksman' and about £25 so a cheap one admittedly, but does look the same as the one in your vid..
Simon Tappenden No problem, I just checked and mine was £40 (Eclipse) It might be the machine, but hard to say for definite. Where are you based? I can post you a off cut from my copper tube, which I have used for bending several times- at least then you can eliminate the tube as the problem.
Simon Tappenden No problem, I just checked and mine was £40 (Eclipse) It might be the machine, but hard to say for definite. Where are you based? I can post you a off cut from my copper tube, which I have used for bending several times- at least then you can eliminate the tube as the problem.
+Graham Dawes I think it depends on the quality of the tube, the quality of the bender and also the temperature. Razor mentioned this in his video- th-cam.com/video/uLaZkqfVJHY/w-d-xo.html
I have a Hilmor bender I've been using for about 5 years and now the copper ripples quite badly when I bend tube with it. Any ideas what might be causing this to happen anyone?
I think Razor once covered this issue and said it could be due to poor quality pipe and the pipe being cold. You could try heating the pipe gently using a heat gun etc. as that will possibly help.
Thank you so much for your very quick reply UH! Will try heating the pipe first in future. I remember my dad, back in the 60s teaching me plumbing, and telling me to anneal the pipe to align the molecules in the right direction, relieving the stress on the pipe. By the way, whenever he sent me to the merchants for tube he stressed that they were to sell me ONLY English copper pipe, and not the foreign stuff which was a bugger to bend. Following advice from another plumber I've given my forms and guides a good sanding to make them smooth. Hopefully the ghastly rippling will now stop with the pipe heating and cleaned formers. Cheers!
yo chez..good stuff as ever :) much more interesting than all this football stuff and were did you get that vice ?..looks like somethin fred dibnah mite have used... neil
Thanks Neil, it was an ebay bargain. There was a guy in my town selling it on ebay for collection only. I think I paid about £30 for it ;-) Thanks for the comment
Can anyone help me by explaining or directing me to information about bending copper using the kind of benders that HVAC/R guys use? You know, the ones made by refco and imperial etc. I want to know how to mark out bends accurately for runs and where/how to measure for multiple bends on a length of pipe. No one has taught me and i need to know. THankyou
autobot69000 if you are referring to a ratcheting bender, make your marks for center and position the bender so the handle is centered on your mark. If you are referring to a lever or gear bender, if you measure from the left to the right, for the lever bender line up the zeros on the handles and keep your mark on the R. If you are measuring right to left do the same but line up your mark on the L. The gear benders are the same but left to right your mark should be on the 60 and from right to left on the 30. For 45s on the gear benders line up your marks on the pivot points. Hope that helps.
rutvij kakani Yes, no problem at all, it's just easier to demonstrate in the vice. It has two handles, one of which you can hold and the other you can hold it or place it on the floor when you are using it.
The hvac 'technician' who installed the split AC in my house bent the copper pipe over his knee and ruined a few meters of tubing before he got it came out without any kinks. The idiot never heard of a pipe bender in his life 🙄
My question is, what would you use this device for? You cannot use it on water supply because code specifies a certain thickness to conduit water supply. When you bend the pipe, you are reducing the thickness, for example, from type "M" to more than type "O" supply or less. Not a good thing. If you are building children's toys, go for it.
***** By bending the pipe, you destroy the integrity of the rated wall thickness. If it were to develope a pin hole, it will be at its weakest point. Especially being underground exposed to the elements in the soil.
H B Copper pipe is only ever used above ground- mainly in domestic dwellings. It had been used for decades in the UK for domestic water and heating with no problems at all. Most plumbers prefer bends to elbows as they are less expensive and there is less chance of it leaking. Thanks for the comments
H B This device has been used in the uk to bend copper for as long as i can remember without any of the problems you describe, i am 62 by the way, as for using copper underground, we dont use this type of copper, we used to use underground soft copper pipe, these days its plastic
Must be some kind of cheap-o bender you got... all the ones I've seen have the dies (or "formers" as you call them) integrated plus they have the markings for the various different angles/degrees of bends.
***** I'm not knocking on you, your quality of video is great, just the tool/manufacturing seems cheap to me. I try to buy the best tools/equipment I can...
+Walter's Playground No problem ;-) I always buy the best tools I can but occasionally I do get a cheap one if I'm only going to use it once or twice. Thanks for the comments
Hola, soy nuevo y no me ubico muxo en esto de los fors, queria saber si alguien sabe como construir una dobladora d etubos(pipe bender), vi que un integrante del foro tenia una antigua, me gustatia saber si puede compartir mensiones(un planito), lo d ela bomba se cambia por una gata hidraulica y listo. Gracias de antemano y muy buen foro
All elbows and premade bends, should be banned by law! Installations with only bend pipes is not only beautiful, but also a factor greater in integrity.
Fantastic video. I don't usually comment on videos, but I have to say that you are very professional and knowledgeable about your trade. Exceptional content, great explanations, especially of reasons why pipe bending is better than using fittings. You gave me information I could not find anywhere else on the internet. Cheers!
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
***** mnk
Easy to understand and no stupid ,flapping of hands when talking to camera,very good video by someone who knows exactly what he's doing .*****
Thanks for the comment 👍
The best demonstration on how to bend a pipe at 90 degrees at a certain point... using a square makes it so simple! Thanks
Thanks for the comment
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it seems to me that when you are measuring for 90 degrees, if you put the square on the bottom of the pipe, and flip the square over to measure the angle of the original end of the pipe against the guide (which I'm assuming is in line with the newly bent end of the pipe) it could be easier to line up?
By far the most competent person I've seen!
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Thank-you for demonstrating this tool correctly U.H. I have used one of these once but dismissed it as rubbish when all that was rubbish was my technique! I would feel very confident now about getting the bend in the correct place and also getting accurate 90 degree bends. Very informative as usual, I am really enjoying your increased amount of videos recently. Cheers! N.
You are welcome Neil, I had some spare time this week so made a couple. I still have about 100 on my list to make, which I will do when I have the time ;-)
Thanks for the comment
You also show short band wirh oposite directions?
I got a tool like this a while ago. I've managed to do a 90 degree bend. Next week I'll need to do multiple loops, and seeing how it should be done gives me confidence that I may actually succeed.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
If using pipe benders to bend the pipe to a rounded bay window, would i need to add sand inside the pipe? Or is it lease likely the pipe could cave with a pipe bender?
It depends on the angle and also the pipe. Some pipe does not bend well, I guess it depends on the manufacturer! I’d just try it and if you are having problems, then you can try the sand (perhaps a little heat too- just make sure the sand is dry)
Thanks for the comment 👍
Do you know if American pipe and uk pipe is the same? 15mm is 1/2 and 22 is 3/4 in America. But could i use the bender in the video to bend american copper?
Here in canada we have benders for bending conduit ,emt as its called here ,its thin walled about the same as your copper pipe ,we have a 4ft long piece of 3/4 steam pipe screwed into the actual "U" shaped pipe form with a hook on it to hold the pipe in position lay the pipe on the floor stand the bender handle in place and bend to you desired angle all the way to90 degrees you can bend up 1.25 " by hand .Any size above that we use hydraulic benders ,and for very heavy duty electrical installations we use a conduit 4" in diameter and is the same gauge as steam pipe a d is. Ent with a hydralic bender ,it bends the 4" pipe like a wet noodle , google emt bending take a look
Great video , one thing must ask how you bennd without riges ?
I have heard that heating the pipe slightly using a blowtorch can help 👍
@@ultimatehandyman thanks will try
Never thought about the pipe growing when bending. Good to know. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
my 1st plumbing lesson we where bending pipes and I found it very difficult not bending it just how to use it and you explained it very nicely, thank you can you make more videos like this bending pipes in different angles, in class my tutor told me we had to bend the copper 3 times and the copper pipe looked like a moustache, anyway just want to let you know you I'm subscribing to your channel, it really helped thank you
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
walid Good
what about the material contracting and enlarging? what effect does this have on the tube ? does the longer side weakens the material ?
The expansion and contraction should be minimal and will occur on all pipes that vary in temperature.
It stretches the tube slightly on the outside, but it should still be fine for decades!
Thanks for the comment 👍
I just bought a new pipe bender and the stop bits the pipe, should a sent it back or grind where is biting?
It depends, if you have to pay for the postage. I'd message the firm where you bought it and see what they say!
They might politely ask you to grind it, at their risk.
If you over bend, it's easy to pull back a little by hand. Anneal the tube to remove the work hardening you get with copper.
+John C Thanks for the info ;-)
Very nice - does the bend look any better if using a spring, and the pipe bender(at the same time)?
Not sure, as I normally only use one method at once.
Thanks for the comment
That cold be a great video, because bending 22 mm pipe is quite much harder. Perhaps the spring could help.
Hello, I may be being a bit silly. I received my heavy duty pipe bender 15mm and 22mm earlier this week. I am unable to move the two arms apart. Is there a bolt that I need to loosen before I can start using this tool? I'm really not that weak so I don't think it's anything to do with my strength. Any help would really be appreciated.
Not sure about that, there is not a locking pin or something, is there?
Mine just opened right up 🤔
But then you have couplings to connect on both ends. So then you still have as many unions. Just straight ones. Is this better. Also using this on site as a contractor I find fittings easy to access and apply. 1/2” pips is what I work with. Don’t keep a Vice on job site. Is there another tool I should look into.
You might put several bends in one piece of pipe, using the pipe bender, which equals less couplings.
You don't need a vice to use this, I only used the vice to make it easier to film ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
I'm in the US. Looking for a pipe bender to bend 1/2 inch (.0625 OD). 15mm is .59055 OD. I'm guessing your bender won't accept .0625. Do you know any that will accept .0625 OD copper pipe?
What if you put a pipe bending spring inside while using a pipe bender? Will it help with the deformation at all?
I don't think it will help, but could be wrong.
Thanks for the comment 👍
This is brilliant i have exactly the same bender and used it once 10 years ago..now need to make a shower riser (long story) and couldnt remember how it works...your tutorial is very clear and concise so thank you it will save me hours of head scratching..cheers!
You are welcome.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
I've only just seen this video which is pretty good could tell me which make a bender did you buy for this and where from....
I bought it from ebay, I think it is a Monument one
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Thanks for the comment
@@ultimatehandyman thank you for looking into purchasing one it looks like pretty good quality
how can you determine how much flow is reduced by an elbow compared to the flow reduction of the visible narrowing of the pipe in the bend shown in this video? we can all see the pipes diameter has been visibly decreased in the bend.
Tony King
Not sure about that as in most domestic plumbing situations this is rarely an issue.
Razor talked about bends versus elbows in this video, which might help- th-cam.com/video/uLaZkqfVJHY/w-d-xo.html
***** Could it be that the effects of "water hammer" are reduced with bending the Cu pipe instead of using the 90 Deg elbows.
Yossi Allen
I doubt it. You normally get water hammer when the pressure is high and a valve is closed too quickly.
The only way to over come this is to reduce the flow by closing the stop tap slightly or fit a shock arrestor.
***** Thanks for the reply. I am on a course for plumbing engineering right now to I shall be looking at more of your useful videos.
Yossi Allen
You are welcome
Best of luck with the course ;-)
Great instructions - many thanks. A novice at this but with your instructions all is going well! Trying to bend 180 degree ie 'u' shape but each time it causes a pinch in the pipe just before I reach the final angle - is it possible to avoid this somehow?
I'm not sure as I have never had to bend anything that severe before. Have you tried gently heating the copper with a heat gun etc. ?
Many thanks for the suggestion - will give it a go. It looks as though all the stretch in the pipe from the bend is compressing at this point and it just can't seem to cope with the full bend!
You are welcome.
Good luck with it ;-)
Hi Nick, when you get to about 90°, or a bit beyond, pull the guide out a few inches so that it can reach round the former and enable you to pull a complete U bend.
This will prevent rippling also.
Another amazing video, thank you. I'm going through your videos at an amazing rate 😀 Big thumbs up 👍🏽
Thanks for watching the videos
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Great video as usual. What make (and price) is the pipe bender. I only ask because I have heard the cheaper makes don't bend 22mm pipe.
Could you make a comprehensive video on how to use a digital multi-tester. I would like to do some basic wiring and have seen your videos, unfortunately you don't go into any detail on how these testers work, other than you check the ohmns. Would be nice to see a video on what all the settings on these meters do. Thanks, keep up the great videos.
It's an Eclipse pipe bender and was about £40 from CPC.
Multi-meters only do about three basic functions, test for resistance, voltage and current- all of which I have covered-
Multi-meter to measure amps
multimeter voltage
Multi-Meter continuity test
I hope this helps ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Hi, does anyone know how to bend flat copper pipes?
I understand I'd have to stuff the flat copper pipes with, like, fine sand so that kinks won't form when bending. But is there a specific tool to bend flat copper pipes with?
A1 video. Is it possible to make a continuous coil with this bender? Like a condensation coil? Simple yet effective tool.
Thanks, I don't think you could bend a coil with this ( I could be wrong ). I think these are pretty much limited to bending 90 degree or less bends.
One should recommend the use of any kind of lubricant like oil, grease etc.
The bending process is much easyer and its less wear on the device.
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I got the same pipe bender. However there is no markings on it. Good ones come with a 90 and 45 35 markings
Thanks for the comment 👍
Can or have you done a video on how to measure up and do an offset pipe bend. It's hit n miss for me.
No, I have not covered that, sorry 🤔
If I get chance I will in future ;-)
thanks, so with a pumped heating system (combi) would the more inefficient elbow be noticeable or is that more the case for natural convection? thanks
+Elwyn Harris
You would not really notice with good water pressure, which is what you'll have if you have a Combi boiler.
Thanks for the comment
Will the 15mm form work with 10mm microbore with insulation still on. The thickness with that is 13mm.
I doubt it, you will probably kink the pipe.
Thanks for the comment 👍
@@ultimatehandyman oh. Thanks for the reply. Hopefully with the bender I got I can get an attachment for it. I might try pad out the form with some duct tape to make it a tight fit to let me away.
how to bend perfectly ?cause my dad have a diy bender but when we bend a tube theres a place where the tube starting to flat not perfect bend or perfect form
Sometimes it is impossible to get a perfect bend. A lot can depend on the quality of the copper tube. Sometimes it will bend better if the tube is heated slightly.
Thanks for the comment 👍
You’re lucky that in the UK they use 22 copper for heating. In the Netherlands we have to bend steel!
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@@ultimatehandyman plus of steel is that it’s cheaper. But the negatives are that you need to either press it or use compression fittings. There is no soldering it!
Compression fittings is what we use at the company I work for, I thing it looks less neat and they’re really expensive. But I get my boss too, buying press guns for everyone is expensive too!
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@@plumbraider2265 I've installed thousands of meters of steel pipe on site, from 1/2" to about 12" in diameter, but that is either threaded (up to 3" ) or flanges are welded on, then it is bolted together. We could only bend up to 3" on site, using the hydraulic pipe bender, anything else was normally made using elbows etc.
Thanks for the comments
@@ultimatehandyman yeah that’s the old school pipe, I’m talking about thin walled steel, because in holland we are cheap 😉
Thick walled is a world of it’s own, never done it if I’m honest
That's quite a process. Very well explained. I like it.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Very helpful, but no info as to what you are marking and measuring?
Measuring a bend accurately is the hardest part of using this machine
Tky v much
C
I wasn't making anything, this was just a demonstration of how to use the pipe bender for bending 15mm and 22mm pipe for domestic plumbing.
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Having done my share of copper tubing, I gotta get one of these.
They are really useful ;-)
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Hi! What would be the cheapest tube (pipe) for making things like solid a shopping cart, furniture and would this type of bender would be good for those tube.
You really need steel tube for such objects, I doubt this would bend steel tube effectively.
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Hi,
When bending 15mm copper using one of these pipe benders, the outside edge of the pipe 'flattens' and the inside ripples a fair bit.
Is this normal? Could the bender be sub-standard? or the pipe perhaps be too thin?
I'm assuming there must be standards for copper pipe dims.
As an example, I have an 'old' piece of pipe with a 90º bend, left over by a plumber some time ago, that doesn't show these extreme signs of deformation.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
Some pipe bends better than other makes, for example if you get your pipe from a dedicated plumbers merchants it is often better than pipe purchased from DIY stores.
Temperature can also make a difference and you do get a better quality of bend if the pipe is warm ( so never try bending a piece that's been in the garage in winter, unless you warm it first)
I hope this helps a little ;-)
That's helpful, thanks very much.
Can't be using the ruler like that out on a job though, it takes forever! Gotta just trust your eyes. I'd never bend a 22 mil though, just use press connections or weld, depending on the circumstance. I got one bender for 12 and one for 15. (I work in Sweden)
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Done that, it's very satisfying get a lovely smooth curve.
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Absolutely, there is nothing worse than the pipe rippling.
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Where can I get one for 1 inch copper pipe?
You can get them on ebay/Amazon, but they are often bench mounted or hydraulic-
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Thanks for this, it stopped me buying one that couldn't go into a vice.
You are welcome
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u should open a training centre.seen a lot of your videos. daimmmmmm good
I'm glad you find the videos useful ;-)
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Good vid sir. So is it the radius of the bend that causes the pipe to lengthen by the mathematical amount? Stay gold.
Yes, the larger the diameter the pipe is the larger the radius. So if you bent a 3 inch pipe to 90 degrees it will be roughly 3 inches longer after bending.
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*****
Thank you, but what I mean is does the pipe lengthen the same amount if the bend is made around a golf ball vs a basketball. I guess the "sharpness" of the bend is what I am asking about. Stay gold.
*****
You can only bend the pipe to the former. Each former is made a specific radius so that the pipe does not kink.
If you were using 8mm pipe you could bend it around a Golf ball but you could not do that with 22mm pipe as the bend would be too severe for that size of pipe. I'm not sure if you bent a piece of 8mm pipe around a basket ball what would happen to the length of it as it's something I have never tried ;-)
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Hi ...I will like to ask You .....
Isn't the same using electrical bender.... ????? Just asking ....
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I would imagine it would be the same, but I have never used an electric one.
Electrical conduit benders are 20 and 25mm...same idea though, just means you have to lug two benders if you are doing condit and copper.
What’s the brand and model of this tube bender?... I want one
Excellent video. Do you show in your how to precisely mark for your bends so you can. Have an idea where they will end up? Thank you for the excellent video. I have recently bent 3/8 D pipe and wound up with kinking. In the. Inner radius. What causes that? Is the copper to soft or inner wall to thin? Just wondering. If you could have some. Helpful tips. Thanks much 👍👍👍
When marking the bends, just remember that the pipe will stretch by the diameter of the pipe.
I think the rippling can be reduced by heating the pipe slightly, I'm sure someone suggested filling the tube with sand, but I have never tried that.
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Where can I get one of these benders and does it do 1/2” - 1” pipe? Thanks.
You can get them on ebay/Amazon etc. I can find 1/2 versions, but not inch versions!
If you search for pipe benders, they normally show up in the search results.
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Great stuff. Got this out of the box and found your video. Plain sailing :)
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Yes, very good, but those pipes are bent more than 90 degrees. There are not 90 yet, they are more or less 93. Thank you for your effort to teach us through this video.
who cares, stop whinging about trivial crap
does this method leave any marks in the outside of the copper?
No, it does not normally mark the outside, but ripples on the inside of the bend.
I was wondering if you were going to use some sort of filler so that the pipe doesn't kink but I guess aesthetics don't matter in plumbing, so there's no need for that.
Could you tell me what wall thickness is. In the U.S. it's color coded. Green is K, Blue is L, Red is M 3/4" pipe 0.065 0.045 0.032 wall thickness
There is a table on this page which might help- fave.co/2C74fFD
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Are you bending rigid pipe?
What is the diameter of the 19mm bend?
Yes, it's rigid copper pipe. The small one is 15mm and the larger one is 22mm diameter.
Where can I get this , which brand
I think mine is made by Eclipse- fave.co/2JKdHno
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Hi, do you know if it can be used to bend 22mm aluminium tube too?
+cezar t
It depends on the exact composition of the Aluminium tube.
For example some stainless steel tube can be bent and some cannot as it distorts and crumples, so it really depends on the type of aluminium used.
+Ultimate Handyman thanks, what I was interested if the bending tool doesnt break or distorts its dies with a stronger material than copper. If it can handle stainless pipe, it should be fine with aluminium too.
+cezar t
I don't use this machine for stainless- only copper!
We have an hydraulic pipe bender at work, which is used to bend steel pipe up to about three inches in diameter. Some stainless pipe will crumple if you try and bend it using that machine, so you have to ensure you get the correct grade of stainless.
It would depend on the grade of aluminium and the wall thickness, but you might be able to bend it using one of these or you might not!
How was the rupis hand paip bendig masin
You can get a cheap one for about 3,104.79INR
where do you buy these benders
You can get them on ebay- fave.co/2ZchtwQ
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Great video! I've bought the same pipe bender which arrived today and I cannot move the arms at all. HELP please!
There is nothing locking the arms together is there?
Thank you for responding Ultimate Handyman. There is nothing locking it as far as I can see. The model is exactly the one you use in your video. I even tried to loosen the bolt that goes sideways through both arms at the top-end. Even when loosened, absolutely no movement in the arms whatsoever. It must be faulty, surely?
I took my new pipe bender onto my job today to use for the first time. first bend, the back of the copper fractured outwards, second and third attempts it broke completely, where i gave up and soldered elbows instead! any ideas why this might have happened? It was new 15mm pipe, but also some older pipe broke whilst i was experimenting. Should I heat the pipe first? should it be lubricated?? The pipes broke long before i'd reached 90degs.... Hope you can help, Cheers!
Simon Tappenden
I have never had that problem before, although I once bought some copper tube from Do it all years ago and I tried to install a self cutting tap onto it, but it simply crushed the pipe.
When you buy copper pipe it's only guaranteed to be the correct size on the outside diameter, which means that can try to make it really thin to increase their profits! I'm guessing the pipe you bought was not bought from a local plumbers merchants?
Also what make is the pipe bender?
Thanks for your quick answer! The pipe was bought at a reputable plumbers merchant, but the bender was from ebay, it is made by 'Marksman' and about £25 so a cheap one admittedly, but does look the same as the one in your vid..
...actually I just checked and i only paid £18 + p&p. I think im starting to answer my own question here!
Simon Tappenden
No problem, I just checked and mine was £40 (Eclipse)
It might be the machine, but hard to say for definite.
Where are you based?
I can post you a off cut from my copper tube, which I have used for bending several times- at least then you can eliminate the tube as the problem.
Simon Tappenden
No problem, I just checked and mine was £40 (Eclipse)
It might be the machine, but hard to say for definite.
Where are you based?
I can post you a off cut from my copper tube, which I have used for bending several times- at least then you can eliminate the tube as the problem.
you should the Rigid brand of tube benders, theyre much easier to use
Ridgig make some really good tools ;-)
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why does it sometimes ripple the inside face?
+Graham Dawes
I think it depends on the quality of the tube, the quality of the bender and also the temperature.
Razor mentioned this in his video- th-cam.com/video/uLaZkqfVJHY/w-d-xo.html
will this weaken the pipe and leave it prone to rupture/crack years down the road?
+mattp1482
It will not weaken the pipe noticeably. Copper pipe has been bent like this for decades with few problems ;-)
Depends on the wall thickness of the copper tube. Best to check local codes.
Perhaps using type-Lpipe, that is 40% thicker pipe Wall could be better than trying to use Type-M.
what do you use to bend 5mm central heating pipe?
Mick Jones
Personally I would never use anything less than 10mm for central heating, but you can bend small diameter pipes using a mini tube bender.
turns out it is 8mm, thanks anyway
Good day why does my pipe keep breaking
It's not cold where you are is it? Cold temperatures can make the pipe split (so I have been told)
Will it bend normal metal pipe
No, this type of tool is only for bending copper pipe- which is soft.I don't think you could bend steel pipe with it, although I have never tried.
+Ultimate Handyman it probably could
Conduit, yeah, not for plumbing or gas though.
I have a Hilmor bender I've been using for about 5 years and now the copper ripples quite badly when I bend tube with it. Any ideas what might be causing this to happen anyone?
I think Razor once covered this issue and said it could be due to poor quality pipe and the pipe being cold.
You could try heating the pipe gently using a heat gun etc. as that will possibly help.
Thank you so much for your very quick reply UH! Will try heating the pipe first in future. I remember my dad, back in the 60s teaching me plumbing, and telling me to anneal the pipe to align the molecules in the right direction, relieving the stress on the pipe. By the way, whenever he sent me to the merchants for tube he stressed that they were to sell me ONLY English copper pipe, and not the foreign stuff which was a bugger to bend.
Following advice from another plumber I've given my forms and guides a good sanding to make them smooth. Hopefully the ghastly rippling will now stop with the pipe heating and cleaned formers. Cheers!
Best of luck with it, please let me know how you get on ;-)
Thank you ever so much, will let you know what happens. Cheers.
@@Tampo-tiger What happened, did the sanding of the former and warming of the copper pipe solve the rippling?
yo chez..good stuff as ever :) much more interesting than all this football stuff
and were did you get that vice ?..looks like somethin fred dibnah mite have used...
neil
Thanks Neil, it was an ebay bargain. There was a guy in my town selling it on ebay for collection only. I think I paid about £30 for it ;-)
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Thanks from across the pond -- great work. Too bad about your royals.
You are welcome
Not much I can do about the Royals, as they run the show over here.
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My pipe keeps breaking please help
Is it definitely copper pipe?
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Nice Record o 36 Vice ! But I doubt plumbers will take a vice from job to job.
The vice just made it easier to video ;-)
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Very helpful, also nice record no 36 vice 👍
Yes, it's a great vice ;-)
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Can anyone help me by explaining or directing me to information about bending copper using the kind of benders that HVAC/R guys use? You know, the ones made by refco and imperial etc. I want to know how to mark out bends accurately for runs and where/how to measure for multiple bends on a length of pipe. No one has taught me and i need to know.
THankyou
autobot69000. Hey what about an electrician conduit bender? Try "how to bend electrical conduit"
autobot69000 if you are referring to a ratcheting bender, make your marks for center and position the bender so the handle is centered on your mark. If you are referring to a lever or gear bender, if you measure from the left to the right, for the lever bender line up the zeros on the handles and keep your mark on the R. If you are measuring right to left do the same but line up your mark on the L. The gear benders are the same but left to right your mark should be on the 60 and from right to left on the 30. For 45s on the gear benders line up your marks on the pivot points. Hope that helps.
can i use this thing without mounting on bench vice
rutvij kakani Yes, no problem at all, it's just easier to demonstrate in the vice.
It has two handles, one of which you can hold and the other you can hold it or place it on the floor when you are using it.
Good
Where can I find and buy this machine?
They are widely available at plumbers merchants, or eBay- fave.co/2OyRkCZ
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Very useful and informative instructions
Glad it was helpful!
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you can get a bender that has 30 45 and 90 degree marked on it
+OPENBOXWARRANTY I just put the marks on myself.
The flow difference is tiny between bends and elbows.
Yes, that is correct.
Not sure who told me that bends were better, but I tested it out one day and there was no noticable flow difference at all.
The hvac 'technician' who installed the split AC in my house bent the copper pipe over his knee and ruined a few meters of tubing before he got it came out without any kinks. The idiot never heard of a pipe bender in his life 🙄
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What radius does the tube have after the bend?
1/2 inch pipe radius is 75 mm? maybe....!
My question is, what would you use this device for? You cannot use it on water supply because code specifies a certain thickness to conduit water supply. When you bend the pipe, you are reducing the thickness, for example, from type "M" to more than type "O" supply or less. Not a good thing. If you are building children's toys, go for it.
H B
In the United Kingdom this device is widely used to bend copper pipes that supply clean water to houses etc.
***** By bending the pipe, you destroy the integrity of the rated wall thickness. If it were to develope a pin hole, it will be at its weakest point. Especially being underground exposed to the elements in the soil.
H B
Copper pipe is only ever used above ground- mainly in domestic dwellings. It had been used for decades in the UK for domestic water and heating with no problems at all. Most plumbers prefer bends to elbows as they are less expensive and there is less chance of it leaking.
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H B This device has been used in the uk to bend copper for as long as i can remember without any of the problems you describe, i am 62 by the way, as for using copper underground, we dont use this type of copper, we used to use underground soft copper pipe, these days its plastic
this is very helpful. Thank you for effort
+Tom Lev You are welcome.Thanks for the comment
Must be some kind of cheap-o bender you got... all the ones I've seen have the dies (or "formers" as you call them) integrated plus they have the markings for the various different angles/degrees of bends.
+Walter's Playground
Let me know when you have uploaded a video of how to bend with it and I'll take a look at it.
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***** I'm not knocking on you, your quality of video is great, just the tool/manufacturing seems cheap to me.
I try to buy the best tools/equipment I can...
+Walter's Playground
No problem ;-)
I always buy the best tools I can but occasionally I do get a cheap one if I'm only going to use it once or twice.
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Hola, soy nuevo y no me ubico muxo en esto de los fors, queria saber si alguien sabe como construir una dobladora d etubos(pipe bender), vi que un integrante del foro tenia una antigua, me gustatia saber si puede compartir mensiones(un planito), lo d ela bomba se cambia por una gata hidraulica y listo. Gracias de antemano y muy buen foro
Hola, ¿tienes un enlace a la publicación en el foro?
Gracias
Jajaja
Is this type L or type m copper?
No idea, sorry.
All elbows and premade bends, should be banned by law! Installations with only bend pipes is not only beautiful, but also a factor greater in integrity.
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اتمنى ان امتلك مثلها ... كم سعرها ؟
فهي ليست مكلفة، ويمكن أن يتم انتقاؤها لحوالي 36 دولار أمريكي
where you shop
I often buy things from ebay- fave.co/2OsiqYD
Hi
I wana this tool in Pakistan...?
You should be able to get one at a tool shop/plumbers merchants 👍
@@ultimatehandyman
From where 🤔
Thanks. Will watch the videos tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing this video Sir.
Most welcome
28mm bender???
You can get 28mm pipe benders and formers, I think Hilmor make them.
If I’m on site I will probably not have a bench vice in my bag !
You don't have to use a vice, but it makes it much easier when filming ;-)
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Great info, now I no how to bend my pipes.😀😀😀
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Ultimate Handyman like the sound of your voice.😋😋😋
Long radies bends on sqaure tube
Out? Ken
You'll probably need a special bender for that, perhaps hydraulic.
yes,it is rigid copper pipe