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Some of the other bolters should get Kraken/Dragonfire/Hellfire so you can further specialize. I haven't used them enough to say which should have which, just hit 25 on Tac yesterday.
As a Heavy Bolt Rifle user, it is low B at the very highest. It takes way too many headshots to incap a Warrior/Rubric even fully leveled and with all of the damage increase perks. It is pretty good at crowd control though. I have went through 3/4 of a 52 round magazine sometimes on one Majoris on Ruthless. It needs a small damage buff IMO. It just doesn’t hit hard enough. This is coming from someone that uses it extensively. If push comes to shove I’m picking the GL Bolt Rifle any day. Even without the GL it would be better.
Yeah, when I saw his placing I literally laughed out loud. It's fine against minoris but anything above that it's woefully underpowered. Mag dump into a Carnifex and witness just how much it struggles. I really wish it was better, as it looks and sounds amazing, but it's amongst the worst weapons for the Tac.
Yeah, not only did I level it to max exp in relic (so I've also experienced the relic version), but I keep the datamined info spreadsheets open all the time so I can double check this stuff. It's servicable at relic in ruthless - but every weapon is at least servicable. It legit has equivalent dps to the Bolt PISTOL. That is not what you want in a primary.
I feel like the Stalker bolt rifle is being undersold here. The relic damage version will make warriors executable in 5 headshots, which isnt hard to do. The ammo on this thing is great too, because it can refund shots after a reload equal to 50% of the enemies you hit with it which, combined with the extra penetration perk, lets me regain large chunks of the ammo i just used. It also destroys zoanthropes and neurothropes very quickly.
If we ignore the Bolt Rifle (due to it being obviously imbalanced right now), then the Stalker is equal best weapon for Tac alongside the Plasma - it all comes down to how consistently you can headshot. You need to be hitting >70% headshots for it to out damage the Plasma, which does make me prefer the Plas, but for a really accurate player the Stalker is going to end up doing more damage. Being the highest potential damage for Tac (outside of the imbalance BR), I feel like that should land it in A tier.
You don't need to stance dance for Power Sword, all you need is power whirl. It deals more damage than chain sword ground stomp and can be activated off any light attack. Staggers/breaks guard on both hits, clears space around you, deals good damage, and knocks back for gunstrikes. Also, you can do a 2 light attack > ground stomp (or 1 light > shoulder bash) on chain sword by speccing into full throttle, and holding the first attack for a split second. You immediately start the combo with the second light attack. You don't get the second ground stomp, but I find the increased activation speed to be massively more useful.
I know but that's what I'm saying. I use exclusively power stance. And it feels like the devs wants stance dancing so it feels like I'm only ever using half of the weapon. It's not bad at all, I just don't like using it
@@italianspartacus The only time you should really be using power stance is when you are fighting minoris ONLY. If there are elites in the pack you should be on speed. Parrying any sort of attack will aoe clear all the gaunts in your vicinity just by them being near when you parry a majoris
sorry you gotta give the stalker another go man, it is ridiculously good when you finally get it to relic. even on ruthless you can put tyranid warriors in an execution state in just a couple of shots, ammo issues are 100% rectified when you get Reload Restoration, especially with the penetrating rounds perk. tyranid warrior far away? pop a couple of shots into its head and kill it. swarm approaching you? decimate it by simply shooting into it. just parried a tyranid warrior? if auspexed, enjoy deleting it near instantly with like 2 headshots. it sounds good, it feels good, it is my favourite bolt gun in the game by far.
"when you finally get to relic" key point for far too many weapons in this game, "get them to relic then they are as good as the meltas and las" why should we NEED to get to a rank that you can only get to if you're already playing on Tier 4 difficulty? You shouldn't, if a weapon is good it should just be good over all but 95% are not and the devs need to address that.
Gotta disagree with the grenade launcher bolt rifle. With emperor's vengeance you can get back all your grenades every 30 seconds. Maxed out with perks you get 11 grenades
Yeah, I've never run out of grenades in a pinch. I guess it could be a problem if you are using it exclusively for grenades, but that's not the intent of the weapon. The ability to thin out any horde on demand, or melt Terminis enemies with auspex and grenades, make it S-tier for me.
That, it has a perk that you can get the ammo back when at low health, and the ammo boxes. You rarely have no grenades and if you do everything is just deleted
Something that you may have not considered is the insane parry damage (+ AOE) when you parry with the power sword. It's crazy how much damage the parry does. A single parry on a hormagaunt will clear every gaunt near you in nearly a 120 degree area. Also you should not be using power stance unless you are explicitly fighting minoris. Any majoris and the blade should be on speed
Been running the heavy plasma incenerator and plasma pistol. Feels so sweet. Did want to point out though that while the heavy bolt pistol is pretty cool all by itself, pairing it with all the gunstrike stuff and pistol damage makes it a MONSTER of a weapon.
Hey. I love power fist and I like it more than power sword because it looks cooler. But the things you say why you like power fist and why you dislike power sword is because you're using power stance while you prefer the light stance playstyle without realizing it. The jump attack from light stance is the same animation type from cannon punch and gives the same mobility and the animations are a lot faster and actually easier to dodge and parry than the power fist. You will loose cleave, but you will have more focused damage downing majoris faster with a better armor upkeep. It's the trade. Try your power fist play style with power sword light stance and I think you'll give a lot more credibility to the power sword. Try this and I think you will enjoy it: Use jump attack > light > light (all lights that has the thrust animation) and then 2 rakes. Only change to power stance when majoris are down and there's only minoris left in the pack you're engaging, because of the better cleave. Or don't. I don't. I'm lazy and I don't like changing stances and a pack of minoris is just meh, whatever.. PS: With cannon punch you will get a lot of free gun strikes to farm armor while with the sword light stance is not that easy, but I think changing perk for the improved shield bash (Focused Strength) makes it a lot easier and faster. You might want try the light stance with this perk. This will also make it better to stand your ground tanking packs protecting your ranged fellow without loosing aggro and allowing them to dispatch more heavy damage without losing time dodging, while jumping around makes you loose a lot of aggro.
I’ll bite. Bolt grenade rifle should be S tier. Especially when compared to something like assault with a melta that doesn’t have a way of regenerating its own ammo. It should be S tier for the grenade’s ability to instantly incapacitate majoris with a direct hit. It’s easy enough to incapacitate 3 or more majoris at range with 3 shots. Then all you need to do is execute one every 30 seconds and you’re back at full. Meanwhile, multi meltas trying to incapacitate 3 targets might take 6-7 shots each at close range. Or it should be S tier for its ability to basically stun lock and burst down extremis and terminus. It should be S tier for being able to save allies from being swarmed at any distance. And when it’s out of ammo, it’s still *as good* as any other bolt rifle. Also, i might be crazy, but I genuinely didn’t know the regen perk only works on finishers every 30 seconds. Does killing an incapacitated terminus with a grenade not count as a finisher? Either way, I seem to always have ammo, the only real skill requirement is not shooting it rapid fire into every crowd of 5 minoris
I disagree with ya on the melee weps. I’d definitely put hammer in S tier and sword in A. Good video though, I feel like a lot of this game is subjective af when it comes to what you like to use which is a very good thing. My fav class is Assault for example but I know it’s the worst overall mechanically but man that hammer and heavy bolt pistol feel soo good lmao
I’ll have to disagree with quite a few placements here. Speaking strictly on relic level. The foremost is the Bolt Rifle, or indeed the Grenade Launcher. It is arguably *the strongest* weapon in the game. The new patch didn’t just nerf its ammo acquisition, it buffed the grenades’ ROF. Until Emperor’s Vengeance no longer works with it, it’s going to be an apex weapon. It at least deserved an S no matter what your reservations are. The Heavy Bolter in the same tier as the Heavy Bolt Rifle is… a humorous choice. Heavy Bolter is perhaps on the weaker side of the Heavy weapons but it is still leagues stronger than the HBR and enough to secure a spot in the S tier. The HBR’s damage output is simply mathematically subpar with bad per shot damage and bad headshot multipliers. Even though it does get very good accuracy and tight spread especially when you zoom in the ADS, accuracy cannot salvage its bad numbers. On that note though, the Stalker is actually deserving of that tier A spot. It has the same laser accuracy and magnet headshot feel, except it does actual damage because it has a way higher base damage and additional headshot multiplier. Its ammo capacity is surprisingly enduring with the ammo refund perk. I strongly recommend giving this weapon a fair shot especially on the sniper with the recoil reduction perk. It was a pleasant surprise to me how great and consistent it was. Regarding melee weapons, I don’t think many assault mains would stand for Power Fist coming before the Hammer, not Bulwark mains for it being higher than Power Sword. I understand it’s a preference; Power Fist is honestly my least favourite melee weapon because it has neither the dueling power of Knife or Power Sword nor the charged damage of the Hammer, nor the overall versatility of the Chain Sword.
Appreciate these takes my bro! It's just the limitation of a tier list like this. I should have done S+ to help break the tension between A and S. I was filming this on stream and I was saying a lot of what you said.. It feels bad to have some guns in A that are better than others but not better than meltas or plasma. It was a big struggle
I'd place it in F tier because it trivializes the game and thus makes it a boring snoozefest of evaporating enemies with zero effort required. At least meltas need to think about ammo and such. Heavy bolt rifle is an amazing weapon. If you can aim at head level it will clear hordes as fast or faster than the heavy bolter. It has good enough damage to be worth shooting majors with and with a parry scan/auspex scan it will take them to poundtown. As for the why it's because it can 1hk termagants to the head, has 4 pierce and 2 pierce perks to be used. It feels so good to shoot down hordes with, can't stress this enough. God I love the headshot sound.
Yeah - the Bolt Rifle is the only overpowered weapon in the game right now, due to a combination of how much damage the grenades do to terminus enemies, in conjunction with the fact you get a free refill every ~30 secs. I'm confident they'll rebalance it next patch. I suspect, at the very least, the nades will do less damage to terminus enemies, and you won't get an entire refill for killing a majoris (likely ~3 grenades, give or take).
I’ve spent hours leveling the bolt rifle, the perk ensures you always have full grenades. Not getting them from ammo caches doesn’t even matter. I’m never out of them and I’m constantly using them.
Interesting, I find the speed stance much better on the power sword than the AOE stance. With how parrying works with minoris now, I just want to focus majoris enemies and use the minoris as armour fodder.
Bolt rifle can go both in A and in S, the reason is the one you supplied. Skill, a skilled player will prefer it's versatility to the Melta range, accuracy and ability to deal with crowds. It is my favorite weapon on the Tactical. The heavy Bolter on the hand is my favorite weapon on the Heavy, I have both it and the multy melta at relic. The multy melta is awesome, but I prefer the versatility of the heavy Bolter and will always choose it over the melta, all I need to do now is start working on heavy plasma incinerator
I think power sword should be A-Tier, considering both the skill floor and skill ceiling it has. If you are exclusively using one stance (power or speed, as you have said you do and I am sure others do as well, I did in the past), the power sword will feel like a middling B-tier if not even a C-tier. Doing that would be like using a Heavy Bolter without using heavy stance, or plasma weapons without charged shots, which is going to make it feel like it is missing a lot. Once you have learned how the power sword can be used most effectively and actually play it that way, it is easily S-tier. The thing with the power sword is that it requires significantly more patience (stance switching), timing (power whirl/power rake), and skill (knowing how to get the most out of it) than basically any other melee weapon in the game. If you try to constantly hold WASD, button mash, and be hyper-aggressive in combat it feels like slightly underwhelming weapons. If you learn to be patient, methodical, stance-switch effectively, parry/block/shieldbash effectively, and just generally fully utilize the weapon, you feel like a God-Emperor amongst men and it's incredibly satisfying. And every time you stance-switch you feel like Henry Cavill reloading his arms. All of that being said, I would still say A-tier because of just how much learning you have to do. I learned all of this myself the hard way, but it feels well worth it. I would love to see a champion class with a relic blade or two with similar learning curves in the future.
Why you're probably getting lots of headshots with the heavy bolt rifle is due to the recoil of it, centre of mass for the first shot then the 2nd or 3rd shot hits the head.
Alright, so my credentials: 325 hours played (almost entirely in operations), was soloing ruthless pre-patch, currently often do stimless ruthless runs, and have levelled every weap to max exp (so not just to relic, but also to 100%/100% exp. My thoughts: *Auto Bolt Rifle: agreed. Pretty accurate, especially from hipfire, but that doesn't make up for the wet-pool-noodle damage. *Meltas: B tier IMO. They're anti-minoris weapons, but now that minoris give armour on parry they're a much, much lower threat priority than majoris. Heavy is better served with Plasma for that purpose; Tac is better served with GL (or Plasma/Stalker once the GL gets nerfed), Vanguard is better served with Instigator. Sure, you can use them to deal with minoris swarms if you have little-to-no-skill, but they're serving as a crutch in that case; a stand in for good melee play. Though I will say I think it's a fine choice for Vanguard; I prefer Instigator but Melta does suit their short range playstyle. *Occulus: agreed. Good fire rate and accuracy don't make up for the low damage. *Plasma Incinerator: agreed. Outside of the one overpowered weapon in the game right now (Bolt Rifle), it's equal best for Tac alongside the Stalker. Which one is better depends on headshot rate. I prefer the Plasma as the bigger, more daunting majoris groups can be difficult to ensure >60% headshots on, especially when you're dodging between shots, and the Plasma does also have a small AoE if you need to turn it on minoris. *Stalker Bolt Rifle: A tier for Tac, C tier for Sniper. Sniper wants Las Fusil for the biggest stealth-breaking damage possible, but on Tac Stalker is the highest damage (from a non-OP weapon) if you can get a high enough headshot rate. I'd say that warrants an A tier as a good player is going to realise the potential of the weapon. If we consider the average player it might be a B tier on Tac. *Bolt Pistol: I'd put it in C tier, purely because I don't think any of the sidearms should be S tier, but there's a clear hierarchy between the three, with Bolt Pistol being the worst of the three. It's not bad, and I'd definitely use it over some of the worse primaries when levelling - though at relic every primary was better than it IMO. It's also a reason to differentiate the tier lists into their own weapon slots. C tier pistol =/= C tier primary =/= C tier melee. *Heavy Bolt Pistol: agreed, but in my secondary only ranking as mentioned with the Bolt Pistol. So it should be a tier above the Bolt Pistol. *Plasma Pistol: agreed. I leant on it heavily when levelling some weaps on Bulwark and Heavy. Charged shot damage is comparable to some relic level primaries. *Carbine: D tier, for the same reason as the Auto Bolt and Occulus. Devs put too much stock into non-damage factors (in this case fire rate), which doesn't make up for damage that's just too low. *BOLT RIFLE: ABSOLUTE S TIER. It's the only S tier weapon right now, because it's the only overpowered weapon right now. Grenades do too much damage in general, but especially to terminus level enemies (particularly when it's on the class with Auspex). So they will almost surely nerf the damage they do to terminus at least, soon. Even then, getting a full ~11+ (depending on weapon perks) grenades back every ~30 seconds is also ridiculous. I've had mild disagreements with some of the tier choices but Bolt Rifle is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY S tier. You also don't have to kill the majoris in melee. It's a very low skill weapon right now. I will die on this hill. *Bolt Sniper: agreed. *Heavy Bolt Rifle: D tier. Like the Occulus, like the Auto Bolt Rifle, like the Carbine, it has comparable dps to the BOLT PISTOL. That is not what you want from a primary, even if it's accurate against minoris or w/e factor the devs decided was worth all that damage loss. *Heavy Bolter: I'd put it B tier personally, but I think A is a fine assessment. *Heavy Plasma: I'd say A tier, but I tend to reserve S tier in this sort of thing for "is so powerful it likely needs to be rebalanced" - which is why I only have the Bolt Rifle there. Heavy Plasma is easily the best Heavy weapon IMO, because of how easily it deals with the actual threat in ops, majoris+ enemies. *Instigator: agreed. Vanguard is kind of lacking in "really good" majoris killing primaries, but Instigator is the best of that bunch. *Fusil: A tier for me, for the same reason as I mentioned before (that I only put imbalanced stuff in S tier for my ratings). Definite best weapon on Sniper and fantastic weapon overall. *Combat Knife: agreed. I did like it most out of all melee at first due to the attack speed, but as you get more and more comfortable with melee and stuff like parry cancelling and stagger combos, the Combat Knife just had no combo that I was happy with when using it. *Power Sword: agree, and this one makes me sad as I want to like it more, and did initially use it at first. While it has a better combo than the Combat Knife, it's ultimately just too clunky - I prefer the Chainsword double stomp for dealing with minoris, over Power Sword's Power Mode, and my Chainsword preferred single target combo (light attack => kick, repeat) flows better too. *Power Fist: I'd put it at B tier too. A lot of these melee ones are going to come down to preference and what you're comfortable with; melee is the most balanced aspect of the game in that all weapons are viable. That said, I found that the Power Fist combos were just too slow for the extra damage they dealt, and in terms of minoris clear it just doesn't stand up to the Chainsword or Thunder Hammer. *Thunder Hammer: agreed. I used to dislike it due to how slow all its attacks were, but once I became savvy to parry cancelling it's probably my favourite melee weapon of all. *Chainsword: I'd put it at A tier - again, because in my ratings I only put overpowered/imbalanced stuff at S tier. It's fantastic, to the point where I swapped to it on Vanguard, and was even using it on Assault until I became adept at parry cancelling. Great single target combos, great minoris clear - exactly what you want on a weapon.
It's pretty easy to stance dance with the Power Sword by dodging and quickly holding down the melee to execute a heavy. Now you do the dash attack and switch stances at the same time, and since it's a dash attack it can stagger minoris and majoris enemies. So now you can easily get the fantasy of stance switching. Very fun to do deal with big enemies by thrusting into Speed Stance and then spinning into Power Stance to deal with hordes. As someone who prefers the Power Fist animations, it simply does not keep up. The fantasy of using megaton punch power waves doesn't hold up. I use it on Bulwark because it actually has perks like the parry AoE damage to make up for its shortcomings. The supposedly radial Power Smash does NO area damage at all, and I simply cannot feel the AoE from its thrusts and backfists. At least when the game tells me that the Power Stance and Power Whirl are for AoE... Yeah, I get it, it does the job!
My take on bulwark melee is that the parry perks outclass the melee damage. I rather parry and gun strike and negate damage outright rather than committing to the weapons combos that leave you open. I can stand in the middle of a crowd and parry 1 minor and the damage wave will kill 4-5 and chip majors but power fist has to charge to do the same and sword will lock you in its animation to only hit 1 target or spread them with heavy swing. Not to mention chain sword is more efficient at single target, and you still have the parry wave perks for crowd control.
unironically, The auto bolt rifle is pretty bad in PvP too. However, all the carbines are great in PvP. The power fist is utterly busted due to netcode not allowing you to dodge.
You didn't power whirl enough. It clears weaker stuff, staggers stronger stuff, displaces you as well. In the time you execute a power whirl, you're still probably charging your 2nd power fist attack for much less overall effect.
I do - I exclusively use power whirl, but I prefer the fist's speed and mobility. You don't charge up every single attack on it, and when you do charge, it's a quick charge n release - you don't hold it :)
I did lvl heavy melta first and it actually helped me to get the hang of the game more since when I started to lvl the other two ”harder” weapons as a heavy I managed it all fine.
Your issues with the Stalker are my issues with the Bolt Sniper so i use Stalker instead bc of it lol. Granted i am only on Artificer level with my weapons so far
This tierlist, especially for the melee weapons, feels more like an easiest to use list (based on your personal preference and practice) rather than how good they actually are if you put the effort to learn the weapon. I understand preferring the power fist, but it’s objectively worse than the power sword.
The way I look at it, the HBR is what the ABR should be, the ABR is what the standard and Occulus Carbines should be, and the Carbines are basically Autoguns. I also love the new Heavy Plasma, but it needs a rework to the charge SFX after taking the charge speed upgrade, and either rework the projectile drop or the sights. Power Fist feels much better, but either they need to increase the heavy attack radius, or rework its perks into either single target or crowd play styles. Personally, I don’t like the TH’s Aftershock perk. I’d just have it increase the AoE, or even one that makes your light attacks deal increased stagger. All together, I would like to see more perk reworks before Saber decides to adjust pure weapon stats. Maybe the Bolt weapons would be deserving of raw stat changes, but I’d rather see a lot of perks reworked or replaced.
I love Melt + Combat Knife on my Vanguard. Hook in ->Melta away the minoris -> Duel majoris with knife. Pure bliss. But that's because I just like to melee stuff, Melta is just there to clear the way. Also, as a fellow tabletop enjoyer I agree: fuck a big fist.
I do slightly disagree on the bolt sniper rifle. I think the benefit of point and click instead of having to line up a charge shot is a pretty big deal, and *might* push it to A tier IMO.
I do think the fist is better than people think, however... I play complete opposite of you. I rely on shield bash and parries for aoe and mostly use the sword on speed stance to pick apart elites because i hate how heavy stance feels. Works well that way imo. Fist is good though, and easier to use.
Which knife do you use? Blood of Vossus is the best by far, even on Sniper. Early on I was spamming too much, but if you don’t just spam click then you shouldn’t have issues with animation locks since it’s so fast. And parrying on Balanced with it IMO is nearly impossible to miss as long as you stick to parrying early (which you should always do in this game)
Main points from my other comment, which is going to be too long for some people to read: the Bolt Rifle has been greatly undersold here, and is not only S tier, but given that it's currently the only OP/imbalanced weapon in the game, should be a tier above - so S+ tier? The thing is stupidly powerful, and does not require skill to use. Also, the Heavy Bolt is C tier at best, but I'd put it in D personally. The damage output is just too low, no matter any other upsides it has.
Power Sword should change style by performing one of its combos (e.g. that last one that e.g. I thought that actually changes the style) And overall it is very upsetting that you get a weapon to Relic to make is best and viable and then you have nothing more to unlock. There should be more progression
Bolt rifle relies on player skill? U get 11 grenades every 30 seconds for just killing any majoris. Not executing or melee, just killing. Where’s the scarcity you’re talking about. Bolt rifle grenade launcher is by far the most overpowered weapon in the game. So much so that I hope I gets nerfed again
I have 250+ in this game (yes I know I need to touch grass) I agree with everything but the melee portion. My opinion is Combat Knife: C not good for horde and really isn't that much better for single target Power Sword, Fist, and Thunder Hammer: all B tier all have issues and are based on player skill/comfort and class Chainsword: anyone can use this and do just fine or become a wrecking ball
I wish I had put everything in B like that and said exactly what you said about the sword, fist, and hammer. That's such a good way of putting it. With tier lists, I think people take them as objective truth when it's anecdotal experience and player preference mostly. I don't think the sword is bad I think I'M BAD with the sword because of my comfort with the fist. Great take my brother!
I find that the power sword and knife are far more reliable than the chain sword or power fist Playing bulwark or vanguard with power fist or chain sword is a death sentence I can’t do it The power sword on the bulwark feels like the best combination of perks for melee. The shock field and instant kills on perfect parry is extremely powerful in this game Some of the guns are cool but the melta and knife combo really do well the vanguard gives infinite parry window with the knife and the heavy attacks are great for when you are swarmed, the melta gives you stagger on demand As far as melee weapons go for melee knife and sword are best tier. Thunder hammer is mid because it’s locked on the assault, the chain sword and power fist are dumpster tier
Totally agree! Hence, A tier and not S :) I think the heavy is absolutely destructive. They shouldn't be in the same tier. I think the big problem here is that I didn't do a S+ tier because some things like heavy bolter and bolt rifle in A are criminal because they dont perform the same but I think Bolt rifle needs the class perk and player competency to keep it's ammo up to be S tier
Sorry but you're on some shit if you think stalker is not at least A tier. Also you're very inconsistent in your criteria for how you are rating the weapons. Like the heavy bolter you said it's only good on Relic tier but the road to get there is painful and shitty, yet you put it at A tier. Other weapons ypu listed on lower tiers were there because you said it sucks to level them up to Relic. So it's just not very consistent.
Would've been nice if you clarified this was for PvE. I was confused to see both melta guns in top tier. Sure enough, my assumption of "well this must be for PvE" was correct
hot take melta is the worst weapon in game! its a broken crutch people that uise it never learn to play and its a nightmare if a team mate has it continually pushing mobs out of range and taking executes.
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Some of the other bolters should get Kraken/Dragonfire/Hellfire so you can further specialize. I haven't used them enough to say which should have which, just hit 25 on Tac yesterday.
Power Sword B-T..... Yes?! Inquisition? Yes...I want to report a Heretic.
I wish we could spend extra weapon data to bypass leveling up weapons. Like spend 10 or 20 green data to skip the first tier of the weapon
As a Heavy Bolt Rifle user, it is low B at the very highest. It takes way too many headshots to incap a Warrior/Rubric even fully leveled and with all of the damage increase perks. It is pretty good at crowd control though. I have went through 3/4 of a 52 round magazine sometimes on one Majoris on Ruthless. It needs a small damage buff IMO. It just doesn’t hit hard enough. This is coming from someone that uses it extensively. If push comes to shove I’m picking the GL Bolt Rifle any day. Even without the GL it would be better.
Yeah, when I saw his placing I literally laughed out loud. It's fine against minoris but anything above that it's woefully underpowered. Mag dump into a Carnifex and witness just how much it struggles.
I really wish it was better, as it looks and sounds amazing, but it's amongst the worst weapons for the Tac.
Yeah, not only did I level it to max exp in relic (so I've also experienced the relic version), but I keep the datamined info spreadsheets open all the time so I can double check this stuff. It's servicable at relic in ruthless - but every weapon is at least servicable. It legit has equivalent dps to the Bolt PISTOL. That is not what you want in a primary.
Power Fist>Power Sword? *Raises eyebrow*
A hot take for sure. I find the sword superior.
Gotta listen to my rationale first :)
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Fist is easier, Doomfist vibes in pvp.
Power fist is.... Pretty bad
I feel like the Stalker bolt rifle is being undersold here. The relic damage version will make warriors executable in 5 headshots, which isnt hard to do. The ammo on this thing is great too, because it can refund shots after a reload equal to 50% of the enemies you hit with it which, combined with the extra penetration perk, lets me regain large chunks of the ammo i just used. It also destroys zoanthropes and neurothropes very quickly.
Yes, it may not be a standout, but it's surprisingly good on a sniper as a more balanced weapon than actual sniper rifles. Very underrated.
I find with the ammo and recoil reduction perks, the stalker bolt gun is a great head shot weapon. Zero recoil makes follow up shots a breeze.
The stalker already has 4 penetration so I feel banking on the extra damage in the same column of perks is more beneficial.
If we ignore the Bolt Rifle (due to it being obviously imbalanced right now), then the Stalker is equal best weapon for Tac alongside the Plasma - it all comes down to how consistently you can headshot. You need to be hitting >70% headshots for it to out damage the Plasma, which does make me prefer the Plas, but for a really accurate player the Stalker is going to end up doing more damage.
Being the highest potential damage for Tac (outside of the imbalance BR), I feel like that should land it in A tier.
You don't need to stance dance for Power Sword, all you need is power whirl. It deals more damage than chain sword ground stomp and can be activated off any light attack. Staggers/breaks guard on both hits, clears space around you, deals good damage, and knocks back for gunstrikes.
Also, you can do a 2 light attack > ground stomp (or 1 light > shoulder bash) on chain sword by speccing into full throttle, and holding the first attack for a split second. You immediately start the combo with the second light attack. You don't get the second ground stomp, but I find the increased activation speed to be massively more useful.
I know but that's what I'm saying. I use exclusively power stance. And it feels like the devs wants stance dancing so it feels like I'm only ever using half of the weapon. It's not bad at all, I just don't like using it
@@italianspartacus The only time you should really be using power stance is when you are fighting minoris ONLY. If there are elites in the pack you should be on speed. Parrying any sort of attack will aoe clear all the gaunts in your vicinity just by them being near when you parry a majoris
@@italianspartacus I think exclusively using power stance has definitely discolored your perception of the weapon.
sorry you gotta give the stalker another go man, it is ridiculously good when you finally get it to relic. even on ruthless you can put tyranid warriors in an execution state in just a couple of shots, ammo issues are 100% rectified when you get Reload Restoration, especially with the penetrating rounds perk.
tyranid warrior far away? pop a couple of shots into its head and kill it. swarm approaching you? decimate it by simply shooting into it. just parried a tyranid warrior? if auspexed, enjoy deleting it near instantly with like 2 headshots.
it sounds good, it feels good, it is my favourite bolt gun in the game by far.
Feels great on a sniper from the beginning on. Truly underrated.
I like this guy.
"when you finally get to relic" key point for far too many weapons in this game, "get them to relic then they are as good as the meltas and las" why should we NEED to get to a rank that you can only get to if you're already playing on Tier 4 difficulty? You shouldn't, if a weapon is good it should just be good over all but 95% are not and the devs need to address that.
It’s super good for pvp, 8 shots and you die 😊
Gotta disagree with the grenade launcher bolt rifle. With emperor's vengeance you can get back all your grenades every 30 seconds. Maxed out with perks you get 11 grenades
Yeah, I've never run out of grenades in a pinch. I guess it could be a problem if you are using it exclusively for grenades, but that's not the intent of the weapon. The ability to thin out any horde on demand, or melt Terminis enemies with auspex and grenades, make it S-tier for me.
That, it has a perk that you can get the ammo back when at low health, and the ammo boxes. You rarely have no grenades and if you do everything is just deleted
Stalker bolt rifle does insane damage and is great for sniping the majoris S tier or top A
Heavy bolt pistol really should be available to more classes
Something that you may have not considered is the insane parry damage (+ AOE) when you parry with the power sword. It's crazy how much damage the parry does. A single parry on a hormagaunt will clear every gaunt near you in nearly a 120 degree area. Also you should not be using power stance unless you are explicitly fighting minoris. Any majoris and the blade should be on speed
Been running the heavy plasma incenerator and plasma pistol. Feels so sweet. Did want to point out though that while the heavy bolt pistol is pretty cool all by itself, pairing it with all the gunstrike stuff and pistol damage makes it a MONSTER of a weapon.
Hey. I love power fist and I like it more than power sword because it looks cooler. But the things you say why you like power fist and why you dislike power sword is because you're using power stance while you prefer the light stance playstyle without realizing it.
The jump attack from light stance is the same animation type from cannon punch and gives the same mobility and the animations are a lot faster and actually easier to dodge and parry than the power fist. You will loose cleave, but you will have more focused damage downing majoris faster with a better armor upkeep. It's the trade.
Try your power fist play style with power sword light stance and I think you'll give a lot more credibility to the power sword.
Try this and I think you will enjoy it:
Use jump attack > light > light (all lights that has the thrust animation) and then 2 rakes. Only change to power stance when majoris are down and there's only minoris left in the pack you're engaging, because of the better cleave. Or don't. I don't. I'm lazy and I don't like changing stances and a pack of minoris is just meh, whatever..
PS: With cannon punch you will get a lot of free gun strikes to farm armor while with the sword light stance is not that easy, but I think changing perk for the improved shield bash (Focused Strength) makes it a lot easier and faster. You might want try the light stance with this perk. This will also make it better to stand your ground tanking packs protecting your ranged fellow without loosing aggro and allowing them to dispatch more heavy damage without losing time dodging, while jumping around makes you loose a lot of aggro.
I’ll bite. Bolt grenade rifle should be S tier. Especially when compared to something like assault with a melta that doesn’t have a way of regenerating its own ammo.
It should be S tier for the grenade’s ability to instantly incapacitate majoris with a direct hit. It’s easy enough to incapacitate 3 or more majoris at range with 3 shots. Then all you need to do is execute one every 30 seconds and you’re back at full.
Meanwhile, multi meltas trying to incapacitate 3 targets might take 6-7 shots each at close range.
Or it should be S tier for its ability to basically stun lock and burst down extremis and terminus.
It should be S tier for being able to save allies from being swarmed at any distance.
And when it’s out of ammo, it’s still *as good* as any other bolt rifle.
Also, i might be crazy, but I genuinely didn’t know the regen perk only works on finishers every 30 seconds. Does killing an incapacitated terminus with a grenade not count as a finisher?
Either way, I seem to always have ammo, the only real skill requirement is not shooting it rapid fire into every crowd of 5 minoris
bolt rifle with grenade launcher is the best weapon in game period, the nerf didn't change it enough to make it a tier A
I disagree with ya on the melee weps. I’d definitely put hammer in S tier and sword in A. Good video though, I feel like a lot of this game is subjective af when it comes to what you like to use which is a very good thing.
My fav class is Assault for example but I know it’s the worst overall mechanically but man that hammer and heavy bolt pistol feel soo good lmao
I’m glad you’re still championing the power fist. I quite like it, but most TH-camrs make me feel bad about it…
Since they did those rebalances, power fist is pretty good
Most youtubers don't know how to use it so they call it bad
I’ll have to disagree with quite a few placements here. Speaking strictly on relic level.
The foremost is the Bolt Rifle, or indeed the Grenade Launcher. It is arguably *the strongest* weapon in the game. The new patch didn’t just nerf its ammo acquisition, it buffed the grenades’ ROF. Until Emperor’s Vengeance no longer works with it, it’s going to be an apex weapon. It at least deserved an S no matter what your reservations are.
The Heavy Bolter in the same tier as the Heavy Bolt Rifle is… a humorous choice. Heavy Bolter is perhaps on the weaker side of the Heavy weapons but it is still leagues stronger than the HBR and enough to secure a spot in the S tier. The HBR’s damage output is simply mathematically subpar with bad per shot damage and bad headshot multipliers. Even though it does get very good accuracy and tight spread especially when you zoom in the ADS, accuracy cannot salvage its bad numbers. On that note though, the Stalker is actually deserving of that tier A spot. It has the same laser accuracy and magnet headshot feel, except it does actual damage because it has a way higher base damage and additional headshot multiplier. Its ammo capacity is surprisingly enduring with the ammo refund perk. I strongly recommend giving this weapon a fair shot especially on the sniper with the recoil reduction perk. It was a pleasant surprise to me how great and consistent it was.
Regarding melee weapons, I don’t think many assault mains would stand for Power Fist coming before the Hammer, not Bulwark mains for it being higher than Power Sword. I understand it’s a preference; Power Fist is honestly my least favourite melee weapon because it has neither the dueling power of Knife or Power Sword nor the charged damage of the Hammer, nor the overall versatility of the Chain Sword.
Appreciate these takes my bro! It's just the limitation of a tier list like this. I should have done S+ to help break the tension between A and S. I was filming this on stream and I was saying a lot of what you said.. It feels bad to have some guns in A that are better than others but not better than meltas or plasma. It was a big struggle
I'd place it in F tier because it trivializes the game and thus makes it a boring snoozefest of evaporating enemies with zero effort required. At least meltas need to think about ammo and such.
Heavy bolt rifle is an amazing weapon. If you can aim at head level it will clear hordes as fast or faster than the heavy bolter. It has good enough damage to be worth shooting majors with and with a parry scan/auspex scan it will take them to poundtown. As for the why it's because it can 1hk termagants to the head, has 4 pierce and 2 pierce perks to be used. It feels so good to shoot down hordes with, can't stress this enough. God I love the headshot sound.
Yeah - the Bolt Rifle is the only overpowered weapon in the game right now, due to a combination of how much damage the grenades do to terminus enemies, in conjunction with the fact you get a free refill every ~30 secs.
I'm confident they'll rebalance it next patch. I suspect, at the very least, the nades will do less damage to terminus enemies, and you won't get an entire refill for killing a majoris (likely ~3 grenades, give or take).
I’ve spent hours leveling the bolt rifle, the perk ensures you always have full grenades. Not getting them from ammo caches doesn’t even matter. I’m never out of them and I’m constantly using them.
Interesting, I find the speed stance much better on the power sword than the AOE stance. With how parrying works with minoris now, I just want to focus majoris enemies and use the minoris as armour fodder.
yup, majoris are the only real enemies and chaff clear is extremely overrated in this game
@@atlasstoned Agreed, I actively want MORE melee chaff around me for free armour tbh
Bolt rifle can go both in A and in S, the reason is the one you supplied. Skill, a skilled player will prefer it's versatility to the Melta range, accuracy and ability to deal with crowds.
It is my favorite weapon on the Tactical.
The heavy Bolter on the hand is my favorite weapon on the Heavy, I have both it and the multy melta at relic. The multy melta is awesome, but I prefer the versatility of the heavy Bolter and will always choose it over the melta, all I need to do now is start working on heavy plasma incinerator
I think power sword should be A-Tier, considering both the skill floor and skill ceiling it has. If you are exclusively using one stance (power or speed, as you have said you do and I am sure others do as well, I did in the past), the power sword will feel like a middling B-tier if not even a C-tier. Doing that would be like using a Heavy Bolter without using heavy stance, or plasma weapons without charged shots, which is going to make it feel like it is missing a lot.
Once you have learned how the power sword can be used most effectively and actually play it that way, it is easily S-tier. The thing with the power sword is that it requires significantly more patience (stance switching), timing (power whirl/power rake), and skill (knowing how to get the most out of it) than basically any other melee weapon in the game. If you try to constantly hold WASD, button mash, and be hyper-aggressive in combat it feels like slightly underwhelming weapons. If you learn to be patient, methodical, stance-switch effectively, parry/block/shieldbash effectively, and just generally fully utilize the weapon, you feel like a God-Emperor amongst men and it's incredibly satisfying. And every time you stance-switch you feel like Henry Cavill reloading his arms.
All of that being said, I would still say A-tier because of just how much learning you have to do. I learned all of this myself the hard way, but it feels well worth it. I would love to see a champion class with a relic blade or two with similar learning curves in the future.
Why you're probably getting lots of headshots with the heavy bolt rifle is due to the recoil of it, centre of mass for the first shot then the 2nd or 3rd shot hits the head.
Alright, so my credentials: 325 hours played (almost entirely in operations), was soloing ruthless pre-patch, currently often do stimless ruthless runs, and have levelled every weap to max exp (so not just to relic, but also to 100%/100% exp. My thoughts:
*Auto Bolt Rifle: agreed. Pretty accurate, especially from hipfire, but that doesn't make up for the wet-pool-noodle damage.
*Meltas: B tier IMO. They're anti-minoris weapons, but now that minoris give armour on parry they're a much, much lower threat priority than majoris. Heavy is better served with Plasma for that purpose; Tac is better served with GL (or Plasma/Stalker once the GL gets nerfed), Vanguard is better served with Instigator. Sure, you can use them to deal with minoris swarms if you have little-to-no-skill, but they're serving as a crutch in that case; a stand in for good melee play. Though I will say I think it's a fine choice for Vanguard; I prefer Instigator but Melta does suit their short range playstyle.
*Occulus: agreed. Good fire rate and accuracy don't make up for the low damage.
*Plasma Incinerator: agreed. Outside of the one overpowered weapon in the game right now (Bolt Rifle), it's equal best for Tac alongside the Stalker. Which one is better depends on headshot rate. I prefer the Plasma as the bigger, more daunting majoris groups can be difficult to ensure >60% headshots on, especially when you're dodging between shots, and the Plasma does also have a small AoE if you need to turn it on minoris.
*Stalker Bolt Rifle: A tier for Tac, C tier for Sniper. Sniper wants Las Fusil for the biggest stealth-breaking damage possible, but on Tac Stalker is the highest damage (from a non-OP weapon) if you can get a high enough headshot rate. I'd say that warrants an A tier as a good player is going to realise the potential of the weapon. If we consider the average player it might be a B tier on Tac.
*Bolt Pistol: I'd put it in C tier, purely because I don't think any of the sidearms should be S tier, but there's a clear hierarchy between the three, with Bolt Pistol being the worst of the three. It's not bad, and I'd definitely use it over some of the worse primaries when levelling - though at relic every primary was better than it IMO. It's also a reason to differentiate the tier lists into their own weapon slots. C tier pistol =/= C tier primary =/= C tier melee.
*Heavy Bolt Pistol: agreed, but in my secondary only ranking as mentioned with the Bolt Pistol. So it should be a tier above the Bolt Pistol.
*Plasma Pistol: agreed. I leant on it heavily when levelling some weaps on Bulwark and Heavy. Charged shot damage is comparable to some relic level primaries.
*Carbine: D tier, for the same reason as the Auto Bolt and Occulus. Devs put too much stock into non-damage factors (in this case fire rate), which doesn't make up for damage that's just too low.
*BOLT RIFLE: ABSOLUTE S TIER. It's the only S tier weapon right now, because it's the only overpowered weapon right now. Grenades do too much damage in general, but especially to terminus level enemies (particularly when it's on the class with Auspex). So they will almost surely nerf the damage they do to terminus at least, soon. Even then, getting a full ~11+ (depending on weapon perks) grenades back every ~30 seconds is also ridiculous. I've had mild disagreements with some of the tier choices but Bolt Rifle is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY S tier. You also don't have to kill the majoris in melee. It's a very low skill weapon right now. I will die on this hill.
*Bolt Sniper: agreed.
*Heavy Bolt Rifle: D tier. Like the Occulus, like the Auto Bolt Rifle, like the Carbine, it has comparable dps to the BOLT PISTOL. That is not what you want from a primary, even if it's accurate against minoris or w/e factor the devs decided was worth all that damage loss.
*Heavy Bolter: I'd put it B tier personally, but I think A is a fine assessment.
*Heavy Plasma: I'd say A tier, but I tend to reserve S tier in this sort of thing for "is so powerful it likely needs to be rebalanced" - which is why I only have the Bolt Rifle there. Heavy Plasma is easily the best Heavy weapon IMO, because of how easily it deals with the actual threat in ops, majoris+ enemies.
*Instigator: agreed. Vanguard is kind of lacking in "really good" majoris killing primaries, but Instigator is the best of that bunch.
*Fusil: A tier for me, for the same reason as I mentioned before (that I only put imbalanced stuff in S tier for my ratings). Definite best weapon on Sniper and fantastic weapon overall.
*Combat Knife: agreed. I did like it most out of all melee at first due to the attack speed, but as you get more and more comfortable with melee and stuff like parry cancelling and stagger combos, the Combat Knife just had no combo that I was happy with when using it.
*Power Sword: agree, and this one makes me sad as I want to like it more, and did initially use it at first. While it has a better combo than the Combat Knife, it's ultimately just too clunky - I prefer the Chainsword double stomp for dealing with minoris, over Power Sword's Power Mode, and my Chainsword preferred single target combo (light attack => kick, repeat) flows better too.
*Power Fist: I'd put it at B tier too. A lot of these melee ones are going to come down to preference and what you're comfortable with; melee is the most balanced aspect of the game in that all weapons are viable. That said, I found that the Power Fist combos were just too slow for the extra damage they dealt, and in terms of minoris clear it just doesn't stand up to the Chainsword or Thunder Hammer.
*Thunder Hammer: agreed. I used to dislike it due to how slow all its attacks were, but once I became savvy to parry cancelling it's probably my favourite melee weapon of all.
*Chainsword: I'd put it at A tier - again, because in my ratings I only put overpowered/imbalanced stuff at S tier. It's fantastic, to the point where I swapped to it on Vanguard, and was even using it on Assault until I became adept at parry cancelling. Great single target combos, great minoris clear - exactly what you want on a weapon.
If you could bind switch stance to a key, the power sword would instantly be S tier
It's pretty easy to stance dance with the Power Sword by dodging and quickly holding down the melee to execute a heavy. Now you do the dash attack and switch stances at the same time, and since it's a dash attack it can stagger minoris and majoris enemies. So now you can easily get the fantasy of stance switching. Very fun to do deal with big enemies by thrusting into Speed Stance and then spinning into Power Stance to deal with hordes.
As someone who prefers the Power Fist animations, it simply does not keep up. The fantasy of using megaton punch power waves doesn't hold up. I use it on Bulwark because it actually has perks like the parry AoE damage to make up for its shortcomings. The supposedly radial Power Smash does NO area damage at all, and I simply cannot feel the AoE from its thrusts and backfists. At least when the game tells me that the Power Stance and Power Whirl are for AoE... Yeah, I get it, it does the job!
My take on bulwark melee is that the parry perks outclass the melee damage. I rather parry and gun strike and negate damage outright rather than committing to the weapons combos that leave you open. I can stand in the middle of a crowd and parry 1 minor and the damage wave will kill 4-5 and chip majors but power fist has to charge to do the same and sword will lock you in its animation to only hit 1 target or spread them with heavy swing. Not to mention chain sword is more efficient at single target, and you still have the parry wave perks for crowd control.
unironically, The auto bolt rifle is pretty bad in PvP too.
However, all the carbines are great in PvP. The power fist is utterly busted due to netcode not allowing you to dodge.
You didn't power whirl enough. It clears weaker stuff, staggers stronger stuff, displaces you as well. In the time you execute a power whirl, you're still probably charging your 2nd power fist attack for much less overall effect.
I do - I exclusively use power whirl, but I prefer the fist's speed and mobility. You don't charge up every single attack on it, and when you do charge, it's a quick charge n release - you don't hold it :)
Chainsword higher than hammer, suprise pikachu face
Me who exclusively leveled vanguard with the melta and nothing else because of your vanguard vid 😅
It’s just so FUN 3:50
I did lvl heavy melta first and it actually helped me to get the hang of the game more since when I started to lvl the other two ”harder” weapons as a heavy I managed it all fine.
Your issues with the Stalker are my issues with the Bolt Sniper so i use Stalker instead bc of it lol. Granted i am only on Artificer level with my weapons so far
This tierlist, especially for the melee weapons, feels more like an easiest to use list (based on your personal preference and practice) rather than how good they actually are if you put the effort to learn the weapon. I understand preferring the power fist, but it’s objectively worse than the power sword.
The way I look at it, the HBR is what the ABR should be, the ABR is what the standard and Occulus Carbines should be, and the Carbines are basically Autoguns.
I also love the new Heavy Plasma, but it needs a rework to the charge SFX after taking the charge speed upgrade, and either rework the projectile drop or the sights.
Power Fist feels much better, but either they need to increase the heavy attack radius, or rework its perks into either single target or crowd play styles.
Personally, I don’t like the TH’s Aftershock perk. I’d just have it increase the AoE, or even one that makes your light attacks deal increased stagger.
All together, I would like to see more perk reworks before Saber decides to adjust pure weapon stats. Maybe the Bolt weapons would be deserving of raw stat changes, but I’d rather see a lot of perks reworked or replaced.
I love Melt + Combat Knife on my Vanguard. Hook in ->Melta away the minoris -> Duel majoris with knife. Pure bliss. But that's because I just like to melee stuff, Melta is just there to clear the way.
Also, as a fellow tabletop enjoyer I agree: fuck a big fist.
The whole point of a game like Warhammer is doing what seems most cool to you and your power fantasy. Rock on with the PF if you want, I say!
Commentating for algo bump, list first is so nice
The melta downright outperforms every other weapon by 2-3x with no skill required. It is currently the meta, and probably requires rebalancing.
Tactical stalker is broken especially against bosses. One auspex scan and some head shots and they are gone.
You can also swap power sword stance with the parry
I do slightly disagree on the bolt sniper rifle. I think the benefit of point and click instead of having to line up a charge shot is a pretty big deal, and *might* push it to A tier IMO.
I do think the fist is better than people think, however... I play complete opposite of you. I rely on shield bash and parries for aoe and mostly use the sword on speed stance to pick apart elites because i hate how heavy stance feels. Works well that way imo. Fist is good though, and easier to use.
Which knife do you use? Blood of Vossus is the best by far, even on Sniper. Early on I was spamming too much, but if you don’t just spam click then you shouldn’t have issues with animation locks since it’s so fast. And parrying on Balanced with it IMO is nearly impossible to miss as long as you stick to parrying early (which you should always do in this game)
Am I wrong about las fusil class perk being kill 2 with 1 shot to refund ammo?
Main points from my other comment, which is going to be too long for some people to read: the Bolt Rifle has been greatly undersold here, and is not only S tier, but given that it's currently the only OP/imbalanced weapon in the game, should be a tier above - so S+ tier? The thing is stupidly powerful, and does not require skill to use. Also, the Heavy Bolt is C tier at best, but I'd put it in D personally. The damage output is just too low, no matter any other upsides it has.
Oculus feels like an airsoft gun.
Power Sword should change style by performing one of its combos (e.g. that last one that e.g. I thought that actually changes the style)
And overall it is very upsetting that you get a weapon to Relic to make is best and viable and then you have nothing more to unlock. There should be more progression
Bolt rifle relies on player skill? U get 11 grenades every 30 seconds for just killing any majoris. Not executing or melee, just killing. Where’s the scarcity you’re talking about. Bolt rifle grenade launcher is by far the most overpowered weapon in the game. So much so that I hope I gets nerfed again
Melta weapons and the grenade launcher>>>>>>Everything else
I have 250+ in this game (yes I know I need to touch grass) I agree with everything but the melee portion. My opinion is
Combat Knife: C not good for horde and really isn't that much better for single target
Power Sword, Fist, and Thunder Hammer: all B tier all have issues and are based on player skill/comfort and class
Chainsword: anyone can use this and do just fine or become a wrecking ball
I wish I had put everything in B like that and said exactly what you said about the sword, fist, and hammer. That's such a good way of putting it. With tier lists, I think people take them as objective truth when it's anecdotal experience and player preference mostly. I don't think the sword is bad I think I'M BAD with the sword because of my comfort with the fist. Great take my brother!
I find that the power sword and knife are far more reliable than the chain sword or power fist
Playing bulwark or vanguard with power fist or chain sword is a death sentence I can’t do it
The power sword on the bulwark feels like the best combination of perks for melee. The shock field and instant kills on perfect parry is extremely powerful in this game
Some of the guns are cool but the melta and knife combo really do well the vanguard gives infinite parry window with the knife and the heavy attacks are great for when you are swarmed, the melta gives you stagger on demand
As far as melee weapons go for melee knife and sword are best tier. Thunder hammer is mid because it’s locked on the assault, the chain sword and power fist are dumpster tier
About that sniper guide..
no way both thunder hammer and power fist are higher than power sword 😭🙏
Tactical plasma gun is S tier, when used with auspex it does massive damage even to bosses.
But it needs auspex to do that. I totally agree it's bad ass, but the heavy does work on its own and deserves to be a tier above
@@italianspartacus Even without it imo its prety good, its just not a crutch weapon like the melta. Melta makes people not learn melee.
Totally agree! Hence, A tier and not S :) I think the heavy is absolutely destructive. They shouldn't be in the same tier. I think the big problem here is that I didn't do a S+ tier because some things like heavy bolter and bolt rifle in A are criminal because they dont perform the same but I think Bolt rifle needs the class perk and player competency to keep it's ammo up to be S tier
A comment written because I was told to comment
HEAVY PISTOL IN A TIER OR WE RIOT
what is this i hear about chainsword being bugged at relic, something with fencing not being fencing or smth?
imo its not at all. I always use it and have 0 problems.
hits to kill?
Melee is trash, bolters are trash
Knife on the same tier as power sword is ridiculous imo.
? combat knife is the best melee weapon
@@atlasstoned The chainsword is more balanced by far. With the double stomp its even better.
Powerfist a tier? More like d.
Sorry but you're on some shit if you think stalker is not at least A tier. Also you're very inconsistent in your criteria for how you are rating the weapons. Like the heavy bolter you said it's only good on Relic tier but the road to get there is painful and shitty, yet you put it at A tier. Other weapons ypu listed on lower tiers were there because you said it sucks to level them up to Relic. So it's just not very consistent.
hah first!
Would've been nice if you clarified this was for PvE. I was confused to see both melta guns in top tier. Sure enough, my assumption of "well this must be for PvE" was correct
hot take melta is the worst weapon in game! its a broken crutch people that uise it never learn to play and its a nightmare if a team mate has it continually pushing mobs out of range and taking executes.
Correct, metal’s are for noobs.
Melta’s*
@@josephmay2929it’s good at clearing minoris and does good dmg against majoris
ill swap to it if my team is struggling and I need to carry the load!
It's super effective! But can become a crutch. Friendly fire and poor melee proficiency, etc.
@@MetalsirenIXI pretty much lol