Ahoy my bros! So I reuploaded this video changing the intro because I felt like the intro was just nothing but me saying, "GIT GUD" when I am - in fact - not very good. One of the biggest things I strive for on my channel is to encourage fun, non-meta picks, and enjoying your experience in whatever way/shape/form that entails. To me, the spirit of the channel was undermined in the first draft of that intro after reading some of your comments. So, I re-did the intro with the same exact spirit, but also mentioning how much more FUN I'm having on the Chaos missions, a fact that I had entirely left out of my previous video. So I apologize if the first draft came off as snobbish, and that could just be me being too over analytical, but I'd never want to drive people away from the game because I think it's "TOO EASY!" But rather, I wanted to convey how I think the difficulty's approachability is an overall BETTER move for the health of the game while also knowing that the new difficulty is coming!
Well I actually never saw the issue with the game being too hard. People can always play it on easier difficulty. But people wanted to play ruthless without being good or - even worse - did not even level their characters beforehand. I often saw level 10-15 players wanting to play on the highest difficulty. And you know they did not even have the purple weapons. With my friends, we almost every time were able to successfully do ruthless runs. When you did it a few times you can level every character. It's getting easier and easier. The first win on ruthless was the biggest problem. Then you have your main weapon on gold and it's getting way easier. Ps: people just need to be able to block. Go for a fancing weapon and the parry gets easier. PPS: it's too easy now imo
I feel like Ruthless with people who know what to do can easily do it and before the change was still easy to do but now it's way too easy to do, I blame all the people who are from HD2 that start to run to this game and complain about how hard when reality it's super simple and easy
@scuchtern4849 well said couldn't agree more wuth your statement honestly I have never had a issue with any of the difficulties myself especially when you have a team who knows how to play their role it's only when you play the players who are new or don't play their class role the game got difficult.
@@scuchtern4849 I personally find the HD2 community to be very weird about jumping to wild conclusions. Making the game approachable in prep for future difficulties isn't BAD. Its the polarizing nature of incendiary content that is part of the toxic culture of content creation. I think next month it'll be even better when we get Lethal
You could always dodge back and use sprint attack right after, it separates the melee weapons(knife has way smaller AOE on that, chainsword has wide swing...etc.) beyond just dps. Nerfing difficulty when game hasn't even been out for a month is just bad call.
@@EcchiRevengeit wasn't difficult it was just dumb. The warrior types still annihilate your armor fast, but when most of the enemies are swarm type, you can't let them do THAT much damage.
@@ChiefCrewin When enemies are swarming you, very few of them will actually attack you; this is already limited (like in darktide, most of the time you won't get hit by all enemies around you simultaneously). Hell, it would be better if they all attack at exact same time because one parry can stop all of them.
Is the game easier? yes! Does it feel much better to play now? YES! So to me it was a very good patch. If the gameplay gets better they can always tweek modifiers later. A higher difficulty is on the way.
This 😭🙏 Being annoying is not a good way to make a game difficult. Now that the game has less annoying traits, it is more fun to play despite being easier. I also think the new coming diff will be difficult rightfully
Does anyone else have runs where the spawn rate is crazy. I’ve had average and substantial runs where I get flooded with insane volumes. The mobs do seem easier but every so often I just get a torrent of mobs
Yeah, i have had those weird swarms where you deal with the twin Zoanthropes aided by minimum 16 Warriors, not counting the hundreds of gaunts helping them. The amount of barbed stranglers gets kind of tiresome in those situations, the entire ground is covered in them, and you are too busy dealing with the boneswords to take them out.
Yeah, definitely. Had a Vox Lib where we got a massive wave as we entered the Chapel, then got the sorcerer 50/50 in there, then had another massive wave as we entered the Archives final area. Also had one where a Terminator was fighting a bunch of Nid Warrs, and for some reason it caused nothing to spawn in the post-Chapel plaza - that Termy was a real bro.
As an older player without unlimited time, I don’t want to have to run the meta to finish a mission. These are space marines not some rando’s given weapons without training. I just maxed out assault and I enjoy playing that. I don’t want to be forced into playing a melta class because the random that joined is a sniper just learning how to play the class on substantial or ruthless.
As an older player with limited time. Ruthless wasn't made for you. You have 3 other difficulties just for you. Also you're tripping. Assault can smash monkey ruthless all day. It's been one of the best classes this whole time, but everyone plays it wrong.
@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 it's in the description when selecting difficulties. Average is 5, Substantial is 10, Ruthless is 15. But correct me if I'm wrong.
@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 WTF are you on? Can I have some? The reward design clearly shows thar at lvl 15+ should be able to do the content to power up. They opened the door so yes if the game is not making that clear, you blame who is reading then writing 😂😂😂😂
My friends and I loathed playing against Chaos on Substantial or Ruthless due to the Rubric and Tzanngor spam pre patch. They both feel bullet spongy with many weapons, and in the case of the Rubrics, there would be too many to deal with while mitigating damage. I think the game is in a much better state, and will need some more tuning. But it’s now in a position to give a more welcome addition for a new difficulty setting.
@@swordsman1_messer I feel like game companies need to stop catering to all of the people out there that claim their games are “too hard.” Warhammer40k and its universe of the grim dark is not a forgiving place. It does not deserve to feel that way. The game was better before and all the suggestions, like yours that suggest there should be many changes in the future, should be ignored. The more they change this, the more they will ruin it. It was fine before. You could win every mission in the game on all the difficulties with team work (in operations specifically) or skill. Get good.
@@oneringtorule2032 some of us would like to not constantly be running Meltas. Some of us didn’t appreciate how a bunch of Goat Daemons were as tanky as Tyranid Warriors. Some of us didn’t appreciate having to constantly take chip damage from ten different snipers you constantly have to be trimming down while juggling all that plus Warpflamers up the arse. Difficulty should come from actual adversity, not annoyance.
@@swordsman1_messer the definition of difficult is: needing much effort or skill to accomplish, deal with, or understand. I think what you described fits that definition dude. Play. A. Lower. Difficulty. “Didn’t appreciate” lol go play something easier
Not all games are supposed to be as difficult as a Souls game. If you just spam roll through the whole level, it’s gonna seem pretty easy. But if you actually take the time to enjoy the gameplay, it’s gonna offer a pretty good challenge. That’s the point of this type of game.
@@darthkage2163 the minoris enemies were pretty busted before the patch regardless of skill. The game is in a much better place now for the overwhelming majority of the player base, making it more fun in general keeping the game alive for longer.
We were clearing Ruthless, but it's absolutely more fun now. It does feel easier, especially compared to pre-patch - but it's more fun, and Lethal is coming for more challenge.
these people are the same ones who nearly destroyed helldivers 2. I am so tired of these sweaty tryhards thinking every game needs to be some bullshit mil-sim that stays difficult after a thousand hours of play time.
i was already comfortable on ruthless and now the addition of armor on minoris makes me feel like a battle tranced badass switching my attention between enemies so quickly and the game feels much more like a power fantasy while still providing some challenge, also my friends can keep up with me and dont sound miserable the whole time and their fun is a big plus for me. i can happily wait for lethal to get that fight through hell feeling back
Maybe it's too easy as I've been leveling my classes and changing difficulties and with my Assault I thought I was playing on Average when I was on Substantial; however, while leveling up, probably 20 to 25% of players I see playing Average are level 20+.
@@holymoses78 Sure, if everyone in the group was a skilled gamer. We have varying levels of skill We're all friends so we're going to play together regardless of skill. Ruthless is still a challenge for us.
I just feel like the need to drop the weapon upgrade materials down one. Purples should drop in difficulty 2 and yellow in substantial with ruthless always paying out 2 relic. That way people could upgrade FOR the difficulty instead of being forced into it
I think once the new difficulty drops, the game will be in a good place. I hope it is absolutely brutal for all the folks saying they're bored of Ruthless. I sincerely mean it, I hope they get to have a nearly insurmountable experience they seem to crave. More power to them. I find the difficulty of the game right now to be just about right.
Yeah, having a dedicated difficulty for the ones that play on a different level is alright, but it should be an entirely optional challenge, instead of locking resources behind it like it was before this patch.
@@Akrilloth I humbly disagree, you shouldn’t be guaranteed to get the highest rarity in the game. If they add a new difficulty then add new tiers to unlock. People should be rewarded for skill period end of story. If you’re not as good as someone simply try to get better and progress yourself. There is nothing toxic about that imo. The toxic thing would be not rewarding time spent and skill developed. The game is specifically made to be based around skill growth and progression hence why it has the layout it does. So people need to be rewarded for their time spent.
@@zerk813 I just disagree with that, people who want challenge should have to be happy with getting their desired challenge for challenges sake. Locking progression behind Artificial difficulty (Bullet sponge enemies and unreasonably punishing damage) is in my opinion just backwards as a notion and bad game design. Giving them MORE of the stuff (x2 relic points or simply 50-100% more XP and Credits than difficulty 4) I can get behind, but locking stuff behind arbitrary difficulty is never a good thing.
@@Akrilloth I disagree with notion of it being arbitrary difficulty. Yes there is a numbers game and yes if you don’t respect it things can become sponges. But these changes changed the mechanical nature of the game to the point we’re this is no challenge for alot of people. I can stand still on ruthless and only parry and kill a never ending swarm of enemies. They reduced accuracy when in melee gave armor back on minors with perfect parry. That on top of reduced damage and spawning numbers reduced by 70 PERCENT is crazy. They removed the need to have a modicum of effort. Now my point is you should have to put that modicum of effort into a game. It’s what gets people back to playing it and keeps them playing. I get some people don’t have as much time and progress can be slow but that’s the nature of life. The game will objectively be kept alive by people who play every day not once or twice a week. Now the only way to get those people to play is by rewarding them with something that is substantial. My question back would.why would people who are casual players feel the need to have everything in the game quickly. You are playing casually, most play for the power trip the game gives. Why does it really matter that you can’t beat ruthless constantly every time. Is the difference in tier 4 and 3 that crazy? Does it objectively make the game worse thst you might have to really try and improve to get the best stuff in the game?
It doesn't just make it easier, its impossible to die if you know how to parry. I tested it last night. On assault, with a double wave on ruthless I stood completely still and let the swarm surround me and did nothing but parry and gun strike. I never lost a single piece of hp for 10 minutes straight and killed the entire swarm with nothing but parry and gun strike.
@pilotmorgan8669 yeah they can do the Next difficulty impossible if you can parry like that you Will not die. Very very bad change imo. Gotta wait 2 months to have fun with the Game again even if they do It right lol
I was someone that's decent at the game, and was soloing ruthless pre-patch. The changes were a step in the right direction and make the game more fun for everyone. While it's less challenging now it has made grinding weapon exp a bunch easier, so I definitely appreciate that. I'm very much looking forward to lethal though.
They reduced the difficulty of ingame mechanics, but increased difficulty via performance, lots of players who used to run 60+ FPS are now down to 25 FPS, unplayable after patch.
I didn't play much ruthless before the patch, but post-patch I feel like I have to smash a tyrannid majoris warrior about 600 times with my relic power sword before it dies. I totally understand that increasing the health of enemies is the typical way to make things harder, but it seems kind of silly that a space marine is that weak.
are you not gunstriking them? that’s the intent. they should/could buff the block weapons so that they can possibly kill majoris before they can counterattack since you can’t perfect parry, but warriors are elites and not meant for you to cut down like chaff
@@atlasstoned lol no one uses the gun strike! I watched a popular TH-camr play through the game and he never did that once all while screaming “whoa this is hard.” It’s like SMH learn to play the game!:)
Playing on normal mode and dare say, THIS is great. Minor enemies you shred like the powerhouse you are without them making you feel like you wearing paper. Anything bigger requires a bit of tact, like it is supposed to. And bosses can if you not careful, still rip you to shreds as it absolutely should be. Finally feels like i'm playing a space marine, and not some wanna be clone of it.
In the words of the favorite son, "THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!!!". I honestly think this most recent patch gives everyone a chance of running each Op like a true Ultramarine. My maxed specifically specialized builds all SHINE LIKE THE CHADS THEY ARE as I play them as they are meant to be played. If I play them any other way, they're ok... Thank you Saber Interactive for 200+ plus hours worth of the most fun I've had in a long time in my 33 year gaming life. Gods speed on making SM3 in 10 (or less) years. I'm in decent shape....🥳 (Edit. INCREASING ENEMY NUMBERS AND/OR NON STOP WAVES OF ENEMIES would be a good foundation for Lethal diff.)
As a gamer that doesn't have time to do the grind to farm currency, get levels or even "grind to get git gud" for hours on end, I thoroughly enjoy this game more with the nerfs. I don't play with friends, just randoms and these nerfs make Substantial so much more manageable with randoms, and honestly, even more fun. This ease makes farming all other class and helping them level up and get their perks more enjoyable and at a quicker pace. We all know the game gets more enjoyable at level 10, maybe 15+ while the first couple hours of each class is barely bearable. Not sure when I'll get on Ruthless, but I'm enjoying trying out and leveling all the classes for now. As it stands, I think the difficulties right now are fine. I think the devs just to need to go full send on reworking class perks across the board. I do agree with what you mentioned about that these nerfs are overall good for the health the game and general community. I think it's just a matter of you all waiting for the next difficulty to come out before asking for "buffs" to the difficulties.
Nobodies mentioning how the *"enemy wave imminent"* message/random wave spawns are happening more often now after the update. I know Space Marines isnt about stealth but it's now harder to avoid combat because even on the easiest setting the game is force spawning more waves of enemies per level & shortening the "enemy wave imminent" down time to balance out the difficulty changes.
I don't think it is too easy but I really appreciate the fact that I can play solo Ruthless. I have a team that doesn't play as often as I like and I don't want to affect randoms games so I just speedrun Ballistic Engine solo. It's still fun and challenging as bots really don't carry you at all as they don't seem to attack bosses and very rarely attack mini bosses. I think it was a good choice to make Ruthless a bit easier and later bring the Lethal difficulty for those who want new challenge
Reuploaded Comment - The game is now too easy for those that thought the prepatch was easy. for normal people it isn't too easy, they still fail and for those that can now complete the missions it adds more fun for them, and allows you to do more than spam dodge everything out of panic.
before it was kind of of tedious to play, and now its actually just fun to play and opens up for higher difficultly in the future, besides most people saying "it's to easy' are usually the ones end up getting carried by a bulwark or a sniper/heavy killing everything
Finishing ruthless runs 100% of the time is different from being able to finish them 70% of the time due to difficulty. If there isnt a challenge or obstacle, you would take the fun out of analyzing your weaknesses and improving to overcome those challenges since the game is just too easy
goes to show your low skill level tac is the one doing the carrying, everyone else was optional especially bulwark. (+225% damage to boss, infinite ammo on plasma or GL)
@EcchiRevenge any of them can be good foreal but yeah the tactical and I feel even the sniper pour out so much damage if someone is good it won't even be close.
IMO, the majority of the people complaining that the game is "too easy," are melta mains. If these same guys would put down the meltas and play different weapons, they'd change their tune. Now I mean no offense to the truly skillful players that are able to solo Ruthless difficulty on any class with any weapons, but I think those guys are in the minority. The rest are using the Melta variants as a crutch. You don't even need to learn the parry, block, dodge mechanics if you're just stunning everything with a melta. So all you "it's too easy" Brothers, put down your meltas. Learn how to dodge, parry, block. Then tell us how easy the game is without leaning on your melta crutch.
My buddies and I have noticed a huge difference for chaos. The limit on units really messes with the vibe of their missions. they need to add back at least 1/3 of the enemies for those missions. Tyranids feel fine and the damage the minoris do to armor feels better. Ideally we get blue and pink horrors for chaos missions as well.
As a loner, I really appreciate the reduction in difficulty. I DON'T want to play max difficulty because it was/is too hard with randoms and no communication beyond a few random pings. The ONLY reason I'm playing it is for the relic unlocks. Once I get those I most likely will never touch it again and stick to substantial where I can have a chill run with experienced players and a more challenging run if I have newer players.
I still enjoy the game, and perhaps it's because I've primarily played as Bulwark, but Substantial was a fun challenge. However, after the latest update, Ruthless has become a walk in the park. Now, I can charge in recklessly and still be totally fine.
So if you’re going to stick to substantial where the purple weapons do just fine , even the green ones do fine in there. You just proved the point people are trying to make, the game is too easy now for those who took the time to actually learn the game on ruthless difficulty before the patch. The patch was overall very good but they over nerfed the enemies to the point that you can speed run chaos missions ON YOUR OWN if you’re half decent at the game
The higher difficulty forces people to learn the mechanics and improve in that way. The ones that we rely on to carry us in higher difficulties are the ones that picked up those mechanics and incorporated them into their skillsets. As a loner player myself, this is my way of beating content and not having to rely on others
Overall, like the patch but lowering the spawn rate of the enemy makes it so easy they gave us more tools to regain armor and health which is awesome but nerfed the enemy a little too much, i enjoyed feeling swarmed and having to fight my way out of it. Isn't that the reason why there are exploding barrels everywhere on the map. 😅
ruthless was completely fine i really don't understand the need to change so much. chaos missions were definitely not fun but that's more because the rubric marines are not fun to fight at all. they could have just tweaked the ai to do more melee attacks and that probably would have made them more enjoyable and easier to fight.
When I started playing this, I wanted to suggest it to a few friends, but the learning curve was SO STEEP at first, even in the campaign. I was worried some of them would struggle and lose interest. Now it seems far more balanced, still tough, but the learning curve isn't as steep and more manageable. I think it's a good change for the game and creates a more welcoming format for new players.
Guys, I'm casual gamer and i enjoy some difficulty in my games, and this patch probably made it easier (a bit too easy probably), but remember that some people come to this game probably after long workshifts and kids and maybe have only a couple hours per week. Everybody should be able get higher tier weapons. What they should do is add higher tier difficulties which give extra rewards or sth i dont know.
@@valentinaskugis7444 I respectfully disagree. IMO catering to people who only get less than a few hours of time a week to play is how you kill a game. The game should be catered to those who make it a sizable amount of their “hobby time”. In the end who is going to spend future money on the game to keep it alive? The person who plays once or twice a week or someone who plays a few hours a day? Some people are graced with more free time than others or are simply better. For those with less time or skill you obviously are going to progress slower that should be obvious. That’s the sad reality of life and something people should expect. They shouldn’t want to lower the enjoyment of others to cater to them. Especially when the difficulty was objectively obtainable for “most” people. It’s not like this was a Souls game before the update.
You should absolutely be able to solo any difficulty in the game. Difficulty can scale up with the number of human players if you find it too easy. I was soloing ruthless before patch and I'm soloing it now. The game is in a better place now.
I never got chance to play on the ruthless difficulties before the patch. But the chaos missions are actually fun now where as I hated them before and would actively avoid them.
It's not too easy at all. It still takes 10 standard strikes with a maxed out relic chainsword to get a Rubric or Warrior to execution. All that while mobs are swarming and 3-5 more Rubrics or Warriors are coming at you.
I'm like average at games. I really struggled with Consort Radahn with no greatshield or other cheese. It probably took me 10 hours of trying. Anyways, I feel ruthless is in a pretty good spot now. If you are playing with randos like I always do, you're inevitably going to get like level 15 players in your game and you either have to carry hard or you're gonna still lose some runs. I've still lost runs on the new ruthless so I feel its pretty fine. Occasionally if you get 2 good randos on your team you will just blow through a ruthless run easily but it doesn't happen that often
Real problem with chaos was that they didnt have build-in weakness, while Tyranids had their synaptic network and when we killed maroris or above enemy all minoris get stunned/damaged, meanwhile Thousand Sons dont have any mechanic like this.
If you are playing with a friend and either of you have connectivity issues, try transferring leadership to the person who is stuck. It has worked 100% of the time when running with my buddies. Even when you get stuck at the victory screen. The transfer will reload that instance and load you back into the party. PS5 - PC crossplay btw.
My buddy and I derp our way through the new ruthless. I'm pretty bored of the pve now. I really hope Lethal forces players to actually pay attention and cooperate with each other
Destiny 1 had the same issue when it first dropped the weekly Nightfalls. It was unbalanced, the enemies were complete bullet sponges, they took way too long to complete and the rewards were not worth the effort. They tweaked it and then they were fun. Yes they should be challenging, yes they should require a certain level of skill, but they shouldn't be a near impossible sweat fest. I still want the Space Marine power fantasy that was sold to me, not a Soulslike rollie pollie dodging simulator.
Well the issue is that in SM2 the enemies still take 15 bolter rounds to the face and still don't get staggered and into a downed state so they still need to work on the spongy nature of all of the enemies in the game. All but 3 weapons feel horrible to use.
Something I’ve learned from the people on the internet and from any community, is that they’re always gonna complain about something, people love to complain if they don’t get what they want.
Constant black screens trying to load ops its been plastered everywhere on reddit and even their official bug forum and they haven't even fucking acknowledged it.
@@donniesdeals I’m sorry that’s happening to you, but I can’t speak for other people’s experiences, mines been better, less connectivity problems, better matchmaking. Hope your problems get fixed soon buddy.
That's my favorite as Assault, they could send 10 of them at me, and I'd be happy. I just hate ranged damage so much, especially when Neurothropes / Zoanthropes show up. They're just completely unfun and ruin the whole flow.
I suggest to people who think that games is too easy now play with randoms without your broken melta guns. Runs with melta noticeably felt easier. Also it’s pretty random because of ia director. Sometimes this mofo makes substantial felt like ruthless and otherwise
Is the game easier now? Yes. Is it more fun now? Also yes. And that's what matters. I think too many people forget that this is AN ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT. It's for FUN. That's the point. Not to grind out some grueling slog just to say you're so good at a video game on the internet.
The achievement you get on steam for beating an operation on ruthless is 12% of players as of this moment. And if this patch allows for more people to complete ruthless, then I'm all for it.
THANK YOU for saying its not too easy, cause it isn't, it does depend on how your playing op's, solo - can be punishing, online with randoms - mixed bag depending on team mates, playing with friends - a lot of fun can still get overwhelmed with random "enemy hordes" and feels great to overcome them, Elitists - I don't wanna hear how easy it is for you go away.
There’s such thing as a happy medium. Sentiment doesn’t have to be bifurcated between those who have sweaty premades and those barely able to complete the lowest difficulty. Challenge is ultimately what keeps players engaged. Call a spade a spade and recognize the gratuitous degree to which the devs of this game have over corrected to appeal to a community which doesn’t genuinely understand what is good for the long term health of this franchise. The easy way out will kill engagement, and that’s the path we’ve started on
Its more fun now,no need to make it insanely hard. Havent done ruthless yet as im just now getting ok on average difficulty and have beat a few on substantial difficulty. Having fun soo far.
100% agree with this take. Ruthless Chaos missions were borderline unplayable when you first got into ruthless difficulty, without already having any relic weapons and even then it was a 50/50. Not playing meta builds was also impossible, which really sucked. I love my Heavy's Multimelta, but I also enjoy the Heave Bolter or the Plasma gun. Now I can actually play them in ruthless missions and the game got a lot better for it.
Don’t worry everyone will complain and they will make it harder and people will complain again.😂😂 What’s wrong with being a death dealing space marine main character and not just another k of it as plot armor 😂
The changes have made the game less tedious on difficulty 2, 3, and 4, but there's still more work to be done. I still find the difficulty system unintuitive due to the dodge/parry window being made shorter on difficulty 3 and 4, especially when it isn't noted in the difficulty level upon selection someone had to datamine it to figure it out. I don't mind the game being harder on higher difficulties but the progression and the way you interact with enemies (dodge/parry windows) should be intuitive throughout the difficulty levels. Arbitrarily shortening windows after people have learned when to dodge on difficulty 1 and 2 makes adapting to difficulty 3 and 4 more clunky than it should be. Furthermore the progression of weapon data, and the general balance of artificer level gear is a little shaky. Difficulty 1 provides master-crafted data, but difficulty 2 also only provides master-crafted data. Which means you end up going into difficulty 3 at an inherent disadvantage even before the modifiers (shown or hidden) are applied. Tier 1 - Master-crafted Data (Able to gain Tier 2 data, and thus logically progress to Tier 2) Tier 2 - Master-crafted Data 😕(Unable to gain Tier 3, and thus put at a disadvantage for clearing Tier 3) Tier 3 - Artificer Data (Unable to gain Tier 4) Tier 4 - Relic Data (Top tier) If Tier 5 doesn't add new weapons then I imagine the reward will be a series of cosmetics 🤔
I 1000% disagree with you saying “the hardest difficulty needs to be beaten with a team”. This is so in accurate that some games even reward those who do such a challenge are rewarded.
I actually love the update, three hits from a minoris enemy would tear through your armor on ruthless, that was my only gripe, I'm not sure if parry timing got increased but I'm getting all of my parries consistently on bulwark. That isn't to say that if i lose focus and mess up more than once, it's a assured death, which I'm fine with.
I've been playing games on my sofa like 3-4 feet away from my tv with everything hooked in. I recently put my game running 1440p in windowed and i can see all the enviro-markings around my player and not need iguana eyes
Yes. It was already easy before and now its laughably so. With the chaos changes those missions are even more of a breeze. I'm sitting on so much relic data I have no idea what to do with it.
The issue with trying to throw two terminus enemies is the amount of ammo it takes to kill them. You just dont have enough and the option should be run or die
I think the minoris damage nerf was definitely needed and the ability to get armor back from perfect parrying them very much helped survival rates. But overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer. Spore bombs, Devourers and Rubric Marines with flamers will still absolutely remove your health bar if you aren't paying attention or get unlucky.
I got bored with campaign after 2 missions, went operations with a friend guiding and carrying a bit while I got my bearings in 3rd difficulty, few hours later we're in 4th difficulty and now I can handle it myself too. 18 hours played. I can't imagine spending another 100 hours playing it when it already is getting boring because my class is now getting maxed(making it easier) and unlocking legendary weapons(making it easier). Wish I saw what the difficulty was prior to the patch. I remember a comment my friend made today, "You know how in some games you can talk about stuff while playing, while in others, you get silent because you have to focus up. Playing ruthless doesn't make you shut up like auric missions in Darktide does."
I think they’re gonna make lethal difficulty basically exactly like ruthless was pre-patch and make the rewards purely cosmetic. That way good players can still get relic weapons while the gods among men can get some immaculate drip only they have.
Unless you're running 1 or 2 meltas, anything above average can be a chore specially in Chaos missions, which all it takes is 1 massive wave and a elite not getting silenced to ruin a 25 min. run. Enemies are still bulletsponges which still makes bolters unreliable
All they have to do for lethal is make the AI director use the old ruthless parameters, then double the numbers of enemies. Then all of the sweats who are complaining about ruthless being too easy can go play lethal. Currently (post patch), ruthless is actually fun to play now (for those of us who play mostly with randoms). Before, it was just button mashing, rolling everywhere, trying to constantly dodge, having minoris wipe your armor in 2-3 hits, then going down 5 seconds later. Yes, it felt great clearing the mission, but it was usually very frustrating when playing with randoms, and somebody dropped in with a level 5, that really couldn’t do anything, and we wiped shortly afterwards, about halfway through the mission.
Sweatlords crying that a stiff breeze won't strip all the armor off a space marine kick and scream at the sight of people having FUN in the video game they paid for. Go use just white weapons if "ItS tOo EaSy!" now that 10 shield gores don't spawn on top of you
Couldn’t the opposite be said to casual gamers “If it’s too hard do a lower difficulty, why do you need Relic tier weapons if you don’t want to play of ruthless difficulty”
Go play lower difficulties if you suck lil bro. Dont nerf the whole game for everybody( i paid the game too and im not having fun with this cakewalk ruthless)
@@Skufnut_ Lil bro there have been different difficulties for 30 years. If you find something "hard"(lmao) just lower the difficulty, if your ego cant handle the skill issue just play babymode or normal dont know. Keep saying the Doritos thing all you want, some of this "sweats" have more Life than you and are better at videogames too.
I think another cool addition to the Lethal difficulty would be to lower the respawn timer back down to 60sec or less and then remove the mortal wound. Just instant death respawn counter. That would definitely make it more Lethal
Chaos missions before the nerf/buff (however you look at it) were more than manageable even for semi-casual groups or for hardcore groups without relic weapons. Avoiding them before the patch was your choice, but it wasn't required or necessary.
Pre nerf chaos missions were easy for a sniper. I'm an average casual and I managed to do all 6 missions on ruthless before the patch with randoms. Tbh I actually enjoyed fighting chaos enemies but only when playing sniper.
Lethal to me will be "Old ruthless" damage, less bullet spongy, but much more enemies AND..... Friendly Fire on ranged attacks. Loot rewards should be the Orange armor data, as levels 1-4 are to prepare you for Lethal. I want lethal to be a nightmare.
My mate and i always took the Tyranid missions because the chaos ones were sometimes just so overwhelming (Helldrake, Battery delivery and especially that god damn elevator). After the patch chaos missions are way more enjoyable and fun
I feel like the AI director has always been ruthless. I played a game on veteran the other day, with an assault and a heavy-bot (first mission). We ran into at least 5 extremis + a Carnifex!!!
A prediction for prestige going off of Focus' previous game World War Z. Class only not weapons and the first X prestiges will come with 1 new permanent perk for that class. For WWZ it was the first 3 and each perk built off of something the class did a lot, like extra ammo, or more melee damage ect. So we could possibly see something like that.
Personally just thought that the Tzaangor shields was the main issue along with melee needing a slight buff, jumpacks needing buff and minoris enemies reduced damage. Not a fan of them reducing spawn rates. Hordes of enemies is a fun challenge.
All heavy need to do (even before the patch) was to aim the heavy bolter above the head. Then you can sweep the entire horde. Never had a massive issue all the time.
Tyranids are in a great place with the armour changes. But chaos are too easy. I dont think its even a balancing issue. More of a unit type problem. Chaos missions on ruthless feel empty now.
I was good before the patch, easily able to handle ruthless, and i still find the game extremely fun! i welcome the change, gives me more reason to play after working in bad weather all day everyday
The nids are fun because of all the parries and dodges and they are fun close up, which is handy as the best guns are are the shotty like meltas. To make chaos fun have them draw their swords when you get close so you get the parry dance going. Also improve the bolt rifles so range combat is fun, currently only snipers seem to fight at range, chaos should give the choice to have firefights but closing the distance asap is the best strategy right now.
I think the recent nerfs to the enemies was to prepare for Lethal (though my buddy and I actually friended through our level one characters and standard weapons by just playing ruthless to the point it became trivial for us since we got good at the game.) since ruthless did have some pretty bad moments but nothing too terrible once you learned how to control the field. My buddy and I have played over 200 ruthless ops with only like 6 fails BEFORE the update. It’s not so much as being too easy but just learning to manage the enemies on the field.
It doesnt matter anyway because they’re releasing a difficulty above Ruthless. Tzaan shields and rubric marines taking a whole bolt clip to the eyes to kill was unacceptable
worth noting ruthless is recommended for lvl 15, but on release was not balanced for lvl 15 classes but rather maxed out classes with their relic gear. lethal will be either for 20 or 25 and will present the challenge more appropriate for maxed out characaters. also worth mentioning that the balance patch gives the devs design space to fill with new enemy types. imagine the battlefield with one or two more majoris/extremis/terminus enemies with mechanics that ud need to deal with pre patch vs post patch and i think it will end up in a solid state. we are just in a little content lull in the mean time
We know have that power feel, we just need more enemies. MORE. The second stage on Ballistic Machine in the big room is peak. So many Xenos, tons of smashing.
All I want with ruthless + is to replace 80% of minoris to Majoris. More frequent hordes incorporating Minoris And more than 2 bosses per operation to fight. That’d be great.
PvP is where the real challenge is at! Love this game and honestly I rate the operations highly but the PvP is so addictive even if we only have 3 maps. I’m uploading content daily but hopefully they don’t let the PvP die to just focus on operations.
Not related to this difficulty, but I can very much see Lethal difficulty having a down and out style where you don't enter the downed stage with a mortal wound, and instead once you die you have to wait for respawn. Maybe they go further and say once you die you have to wait for the checkpoint instead of a timer.
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Ahoy my bros! So I reuploaded this video changing the intro because I felt like the intro was just nothing but me saying, "GIT GUD" when I am - in fact - not very good. One of the biggest things I strive for on my channel is to encourage fun, non-meta picks, and enjoying your experience in whatever way/shape/form that entails. To me, the spirit of the channel was undermined in the first draft of that intro after reading some of your comments.
So, I re-did the intro with the same exact spirit, but also mentioning how much more FUN I'm having on the Chaos missions, a fact that I had entirely left out of my previous video. So I apologize if the first draft came off as snobbish, and that could just be me being too over analytical, but I'd never want to drive people away from the game because I think it's "TOO EASY!" But rather, I wanted to convey how I think the difficulty's approachability is an overall BETTER move for the health of the game while also knowing that the new difficulty is coming!
Well I actually never saw the issue with the game being too hard.
People can always play it on easier difficulty.
But people wanted to play ruthless without being good or - even worse - did not even level their characters beforehand.
I often saw level 10-15 players wanting to play on the highest difficulty.
And you know they did not even have the purple weapons.
With my friends, we almost every time were able to successfully do ruthless runs. When you did it a few times you can level every character. It's getting easier and easier.
The first win on ruthless was the biggest problem. Then you have your main weapon on gold and it's getting way easier.
Ps: people just need to be able to block. Go for a fancing weapon and the parry gets easier.
PPS: it's too easy now imo
I feel like Ruthless with people who know what to do can easily do it and before the change was still easy to do but now it's way too easy to do, I blame all the people who are from HD2 that start to run to this game and complain about how hard when reality it's super simple and easy
You put this better than anyone!! It’s inviting while acknowledging that different demographics look for different things in games
@scuchtern4849 well said couldn't agree more wuth your statement honestly I have never had a issue with any of the difficulties myself especially when you have a team who knows how to play their role it's only when you play the players who are new or don't play their class role the game got difficult.
@@scuchtern4849 I personally find the HD2 community to be very weird about jumping to wild conclusions. Making the game approachable in prep for future difficulties isn't BAD. Its the polarizing nature of incendiary content that is part of the toxic culture of content creation. I think next month it'll be even better when we get Lethal
Minoris enemies erasing all armor in a second was ridiculous imo and im glad that was removed.
You could always dodge back and use sprint attack right after, it separates the melee weapons(knife has way smaller AOE on that, chainsword has wide swing...etc.) beyond just dps.
Nerfing difficulty when game hasn't even been out for a month is just bad call.
@@EcchiRevengeit wasn't difficult it was just dumb. The warrior types still annihilate your armor fast, but when most of the enemies are swarm type, you can't let them do THAT much damage.
@@ChiefCrewin You can parry melee warrios and ranged warriors don't shoot much when you melee it.
@@ChiefCrewin When enemies are swarming you, very few of them will actually attack you; this is already limited (like in darktide, most of the time you won't get hit by all enemies around you simultaneously). Hell, it would be better if they all attack at exact same time because one parry can stop all of them.
@@EcchiRevenge gaunts shredding primaris armor like its made of cardboard is just not sensible or accurate to the setting
Is the game easier?
yes!
Does it feel much better to play now?
YES!
So to me it was a very good patch. If the gameplay gets better they can always tweek modifiers later.
A higher difficulty is on the way.
Some people really think that no matter how full of BS a game is, it will be good so long it is hard.
This 😭🙏
Being annoying is not a good way to make a game difficult.
Now that the game has less annoying traits, it is more fun to play despite being easier. I also think the new coming diff will be difficult rightfully
Teamwork is always the key in these games you can blow through any diff if you know what you're doing
That perspective as me and my mates thought the challenge was good the way it was.. now to easy and lost fun
@@gustavosanches3454 you can always play on normal/easy if the hard modes are too hard for you lol.
Does anyone else have runs where the spawn rate is crazy. I’ve had average and substantial runs where I get flooded with insane volumes. The mobs do seem easier but every so often I just get a torrent of mobs
I totally forgot to bring that up. Absolutely. It's fucking WILD!!
Yeah, i have had those weird swarms where you deal with the twin Zoanthropes aided by minimum 16 Warriors, not counting the hundreds of gaunts helping them.
The amount of barbed stranglers gets kind of tiresome in those situations, the entire ground is covered in them, and you are too busy dealing with the boneswords to take them out.
@@Akrilloth Yes! This.
Yeah, definitely. Had a Vox Lib where we got a massive wave as we entered the Chapel, then got the sorcerer 50/50 in there, then had another massive wave as we entered the Archives final area.
Also had one where a Terminator was fighting a bunch of Nid Warrs, and for some reason it caused nothing to spawn in the post-Chapel plaza - that Termy was a real bro.
yeah I thought they made it so less spawned, so far it's way more
As an older player without unlimited time, I don’t want to have to run the meta to finish a mission. These are space marines not some rando’s given weapons without training. I just maxed out assault and I enjoy playing that. I don’t want to be forced into playing a melta class because the random that joined is a sniper just learning how to play the class on substantial or ruthless.
As an older player with limited time. Ruthless wasn't made for you. You have 3 other difficulties just for you. Also you're tripping. Assault can smash monkey ruthless all day. It's been one of the best classes this whole time, but everyone plays it wrong.
Ruthless is supposed to be for level 15 characters, but people were struggling with level 25’s. It was way over tuned.
Anyone who struggles with lvl 25s is suffering from major skill issues.
@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 it's in the description when selecting difficulties. Average is 5, Substantial is 10, Ruthless is 15. But correct me if I'm wrong.
If you were still struggling with lv 25's, that's on you at that point
If you struggle by lv25 you should be playing on trivial.
@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 WTF are you on? Can I have some?
The reward design clearly shows thar at lvl 15+ should be able to do the content to power up. They opened the door so yes if the game is not making that clear, you blame who is reading then writing 😂😂😂😂
My friends and I loathed playing against Chaos on Substantial or Ruthless due to the Rubric and Tzanngor spam pre patch. They both feel bullet spongy with many weapons, and in the case of the Rubrics, there would be too many to deal with while mitigating damage.
I think the game is in a much better state, and will need some more tuning. But it’s now in a position to give a more welcome addition for a new difficulty setting.
Rubrics feel spongy? On ruthless I can put a rubric into execute range in under 5 seconds.
@@swordsman1_messer true
@@swordsman1_messer I feel like game companies need to stop catering to all of the people out there that claim their games are “too hard.” Warhammer40k and its universe of the grim dark is not a forgiving place. It does not deserve to feel that way. The game was better before and all the suggestions, like yours that suggest there should be many changes in the future, should be ignored.
The more they change this, the more they will ruin it. It was fine before. You could win every mission in the game on all the difficulties with team work (in operations specifically) or skill. Get good.
@@oneringtorule2032 some of us would like to not constantly be running Meltas.
Some of us didn’t appreciate how a bunch of Goat Daemons were as tanky as Tyranid Warriors.
Some of us didn’t appreciate having to constantly take chip damage from ten different snipers you constantly have to be trimming down while juggling all that plus Warpflamers up the arse.
Difficulty should come from actual adversity, not annoyance.
@@swordsman1_messer the definition of difficult is:
needing much effort or skill to accomplish, deal with, or understand.
I think what you described fits that definition dude.
Play. A. Lower. Difficulty.
“Didn’t appreciate” lol go play something easier
Not all games are supposed to be as difficult as a Souls game. If you just spam roll through the whole level, it’s gonna seem pretty easy. But if you actually take the time to enjoy the gameplay, it’s gonna offer a pretty good challenge. That’s the point of this type of game.
@devendoffing7004 it's not that difficult people just need to admit they lack the skills plain and simple
@@darthkage2163 the minoris enemies were pretty busted before the patch regardless of skill. The game is in a much better place now for the overwhelming majority of the player base, making it more fun in general keeping the game alive for longer.
We were clearing Ruthless, but it's absolutely more fun now. It does feel easier, especially compared to pre-patch - but it's more fun, and Lethal is coming for more challenge.
these people are the same ones who nearly destroyed helldivers 2.
I am so tired of these sweaty tryhards thinking every game needs to be some bullshit mil-sim that stays difficult after a thousand hours of play time.
Did, they did destroy it. It's back to being fun now at least
@@kanaria-cu3uv there are difficulty levels for a reason
i was already comfortable on ruthless and now the addition of armor on minoris makes me feel like a battle tranced badass switching my attention between enemies so quickly and the game feels much more like a power fantasy while still providing some challenge, also my friends can keep up with me and dont sound miserable the whole time and their fun is a big plus for me. i can happily wait for lethal to get that fight through hell feeling back
I'm finding it more fun generally. Certainly not easy but not ball busting either
It’s easy
@@Xoplayboirelative.
Maybe it's too easy as I've been leveling my classes and changing difficulties and with my Assault I thought I was playing on Average when I was on Substantial; however, while leveling up, probably 20 to 25% of players I see playing Average are level 20+.
No more ridiculous chaos minoris demon phalanxs blocking plasma guns and chainswords lol.
It's called a heavy attack... try it out
@@pilotmorgan8669oh yes, go on and get into enemy swarm range instead of keeping a safe distance and not getting your armor and health shewed.
Chaos beast men with chaos empowered shields are powerful... Just use heavy attack
My team is not a well oiled machine, but it runs. The changes have made it so we can complete 80% of our ruthless runs with our maxed out classes.
You should be doing 100% every run if you have 3 lvl 25’s absolutely no excuses except skill issue.
Bet it feels great doesn't it, Game is so fun.
@@holymoses78 Sure, if everyone in the group was a skilled gamer. We have varying levels of skill We're all friends so we're going to play together regardless of skill. Ruthless is still a challenge for us.
@@holymoses78 Nah they should just be doing the best they can, take a chill pill
@@raquetsofglory Level 25 can solo. Don’t need good players
I just feel like the need to drop the weapon upgrade materials down one. Purples should drop in difficulty 2 and yellow in substantial with ruthless always paying out 2 relic. That way people could upgrade FOR the difficulty instead of being forced into it
I think once the new difficulty drops, the game will be in a good place. I hope it is absolutely brutal for all the folks saying they're bored of Ruthless. I sincerely mean it, I hope they get to have a nearly insurmountable experience they seem to crave. More power to them. I find the difficulty of the game right now to be just about right.
Yeah, having a dedicated difficulty for the ones that play on a different level is alright, but it should be an entirely optional challenge, instead of locking resources behind it like it was before this patch.
@@Akrilloth I humbly disagree, you shouldn’t be guaranteed to get the highest rarity in the game. If they add a new difficulty then add new tiers to unlock. People should be rewarded for skill period end of story. If you’re not as good as someone simply try to get better and progress yourself. There is nothing toxic about that imo. The toxic thing would be not rewarding time spent and skill developed. The game is specifically made to be based around skill growth and progression hence why it has the layout it does. So people need to be rewarded for their time spent.
@@zerk813 I just disagree with that, people who want challenge should have to be happy with getting their desired challenge for challenges sake.
Locking progression behind Artificial difficulty (Bullet sponge enemies and unreasonably punishing damage) is in my opinion just backwards as a notion and bad game design.
Giving them MORE of the stuff (x2 relic points or simply 50-100% more XP and Credits than difficulty 4) I can get behind, but locking stuff behind arbitrary difficulty is never a good thing.
@@Akrilloth I disagree with notion of it being arbitrary difficulty. Yes there is a numbers game and yes if you don’t respect it things can become sponges. But these changes changed the mechanical nature of the game to the point we’re this is no challenge for alot of people. I can stand still on ruthless and only parry and kill a never ending swarm of enemies. They reduced accuracy when in melee gave armor back on minors with perfect parry. That on top of reduced damage and spawning numbers reduced by 70 PERCENT is crazy. They removed the need to have a modicum of effort.
Now my point is you should have to put that modicum of effort into a game. It’s what gets people back to playing it and keeps them playing. I get some people don’t have as much time and progress can be slow but that’s the nature of life. The game will objectively be kept alive by people who play every day not once or twice a week. Now the only way to get those people to play is by rewarding them with something that is substantial.
My question back would.why would people who are casual players feel the need to have everything in the game quickly. You are playing casually, most play for the power trip the game gives. Why does it really matter that you can’t beat ruthless constantly every time. Is the difference in tier 4 and 3 that crazy? Does it objectively make the game worse thst you might have to really try and improve to get the best stuff in the game?
I'm definitely looking forward to them crying that it's near impossible and that they went from space marine to a paper guardsman.
It’s not even the reduction in spawns for me. It’s the fact that parry kills on minoris give armor. That change alone makes it significantly easier.
It doesn't just make it easier, its impossible to die if you know how to parry. I tested it last night. On assault, with a double wave on ruthless I stood completely still and let the swarm surround me and did nothing but parry and gun strike. I never lost a single piece of hp for 10 minutes straight and killed the entire swarm with nothing but parry and gun strike.
@pilotmorgan8669 yeah they can do the Next difficulty impossible if you can parry like that you Will not die. Very very bad change imo. Gotta wait 2 months to have fun with the Game again even if they do It right lol
I was someone that's decent at the game, and was soloing ruthless pre-patch. The changes were a step in the right direction and make the game more fun for everyone. While it's less challenging now it has made grinding weapon exp a bunch easier, so I definitely appreciate that.
I'm very much looking forward to lethal though.
They reduced the difficulty of ingame mechanics, but increased difficulty via performance, lots of players who used to run 60+ FPS are now down to 25 FPS, unplayable after patch.
I didn't play much ruthless before the patch, but post-patch I feel like I have to smash a tyrannid majoris warrior about 600 times with my relic power sword before it dies. I totally understand that increasing the health of enemies is the typical way to make things harder, but it seems kind of silly that a space marine is that weak.
are you not gunstriking them? that’s the intent. they should/could buff the block weapons so that they can possibly kill majoris before they can counterattack since you can’t perfect parry, but warriors are elites and not meant for you to cut down like chaff
@@atlasstoned lol no one uses the gun strike! I watched a popular TH-camr play through the game and he never did that once all while screaming “whoa this is hard.” It’s like SMH learn to play the game!:)
Playing on normal mode and dare say, THIS is great.
Minor enemies you shred like the powerhouse you are without them making you feel like you wearing paper.
Anything bigger requires a bit of tact, like it is supposed to.
And bosses can if you not careful, still rip you to shreds as it absolutely should be.
Finally feels like i'm playing a space marine, and not some wanna be clone of it.
In the words of the favorite son, "THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!!!".
I honestly think this most recent patch gives everyone a chance of running each Op like a true Ultramarine. My maxed specifically specialized builds all SHINE LIKE THE CHADS THEY ARE as I play them as they are meant to be played.
If I play them any other way, they're ok...
Thank you Saber Interactive for 200+ plus hours worth of the most fun I've had in a long time in my 33 year gaming life. Gods speed on making SM3 in 10 (or less) years. I'm in decent shape....🥳
(Edit. INCREASING ENEMY NUMBERS AND/OR NON STOP WAVES OF ENEMIES would be a good foundation for Lethal diff.)
As a gamer that doesn't have time to do the grind to farm currency, get levels or even "grind to get git gud" for hours on end, I thoroughly enjoy this game more with the nerfs. I don't play with friends, just randoms and these nerfs make Substantial so much more manageable with randoms, and honestly, even more fun. This ease makes farming all other class and helping them level up and get their perks more enjoyable and at a quicker pace. We all know the game gets more enjoyable at level 10, maybe 15+ while the first couple hours of each class is barely bearable. Not sure when I'll get on Ruthless, but I'm enjoying trying out and leveling all the classes for now.
As it stands, I think the difficulties right now are fine. I think the devs just to need to go full send on reworking class perks across the board.
I do agree with what you mentioned about that these nerfs are overall good for the health the game and general community. I think it's just a matter of you all waiting for the next difficulty to come out before asking for "buffs" to the difficulties.
Nobodies mentioning how the *"enemy wave imminent"* message/random wave spawns are happening more often now after the update. I know Space Marines isnt about stealth but it's now harder to avoid combat because even on the easiest setting the game is force spawning more waves of enemies per level & shortening the "enemy wave imminent" down time to balance out the difficulty changes.
I feel like an Adeptus Astartes now, my Bulwak feels perfect and he feels powerful
I don't think it is too easy but I really appreciate the fact that I can play solo Ruthless. I have a team that doesn't play as often as I like and I don't want to affect randoms games so I just speedrun Ballistic Engine solo.
It's still fun and challenging as bots really don't carry you at all as they don't seem to attack bosses and very rarely attack mini bosses.
I think it was a good choice to make Ruthless a bit easier and later bring the Lethal difficulty for those who want new challenge
Reuploaded Comment - The game is now too easy for those that thought the prepatch was easy. for normal people it isn't too easy, they still fail and for those that can now complete the missions it adds more fun for them, and allows you to do more than spam dodge everything out of panic.
Appreciate the repeat comment brother :)
@@italianspartacus Liked the video too brother. The Emperor protects.
before it was kind of of tedious to play, and now its actually just fun to play and opens up for higher difficultly in the future, besides most people saying "it's to easy' are usually the ones end up getting carried by a bulwark or a sniper/heavy killing everything
Where you finding these good bulwarks?
People who say it's too easy now 1000% ran nothing but melta before
Finishing ruthless runs 100% of the time is different from being able to finish them 70% of the time due to difficulty. If there isnt a challenge or obstacle, you would take the fun out of analyzing your weaknesses and improving to overcome those challenges since the game is just too easy
goes to show your low skill level
tac is the one doing the carrying, everyone else was optional especially bulwark. (+225% damage to boss, infinite ammo on plasma or GL)
@EcchiRevenge any of them can be good foreal but yeah the tactical and I feel even the sniper pour out so much damage if someone is good it won't even be close.
IMO, the majority of the people complaining that the game is "too easy," are melta mains. If these same guys would put down the meltas and play different weapons, they'd change their tune. Now I mean no offense to the truly skillful players that are able to solo Ruthless difficulty on any class with any weapons, but I think those guys are in the minority.
The rest are using the Melta variants as a crutch. You don't even need to learn the parry, block, dodge mechanics if you're just stunning everything with a melta.
So all you "it's too easy" Brothers, put down your meltas. Learn how to dodge, parry, block. Then tell us how easy the game is without leaning on your melta crutch.
My buddies and I have noticed a huge difference for chaos. The limit on units really messes with the vibe of their missions. they need to add back at least 1/3 of the enemies for those missions. Tyranids feel fine and the damage the minoris do to armor feels better. Ideally we get blue and pink horrors for chaos missions as well.
As a loner, I really appreciate the reduction in difficulty. I DON'T want to play max difficulty because it was/is too hard with randoms and no communication beyond a few random pings. The ONLY reason I'm playing it is for the relic unlocks. Once I get those I most likely will never touch it again and stick to substantial where I can have a chill run with experienced players and a more challenging run if I have newer players.
So why exactly do you think you deserve or need the Relic weapons?
I still enjoy the game, and perhaps it's because I've primarily played as Bulwark, but Substantial was a fun challenge. However, after the latest update, Ruthless has become a walk in the park. Now, I can charge in recklessly and still be totally fine.
So if you’re going to stick to substantial where the purple weapons do just fine , even the green ones do fine in there. You just proved the point people are trying to make, the game is too easy now for those who took the time to actually learn the game on ruthless difficulty before the patch. The patch was overall very good but they over nerfed the enemies to the point that you can speed run chaos missions ON YOUR OWN if you’re half decent at the game
The higher difficulty forces people to learn the mechanics and improve in that way. The ones that we rely on to carry us in higher difficulties are the ones that picked up those mechanics and incorporated them into their skillsets. As a loner player myself, this is my way of beating content and not having to rely on others
if all you want is orange unlocks then you could have spammed roll and speedrun to the end of level.
Overall, like the patch but lowering the spawn rate of the enemy makes it so easy they gave us more tools to regain armor and health which is awesome but nerfed the enemy a little too much, i enjoyed feeling swarmed and having to fight my way out of it. Isn't that the reason why there are exploding barrels everywhere on the map. 😅
ruthless was completely fine i really don't understand the need to change so much. chaos missions were definitely not fun but that's more because the rubric marines are not fun to fight at all. they could have just tweaked the ai to do more melee attacks and that probably would have made them more enjoyable and easier to fight.
When I started playing this, I wanted to suggest it to a few friends, but the learning curve was SO STEEP at first, even in the campaign. I was worried some of them would struggle and lose interest. Now it seems far more balanced, still tough, but the learning curve isn't as steep and more manageable. I think it's a good change for the game and creates a more welcoming format for new players.
This. I was not going to drag friends into this and then lose interest because it was too tough. Now, different story.
Guys, I'm casual gamer and i enjoy some difficulty in my games, and this patch probably made it easier (a bit too easy probably), but remember that some people come to this game probably after long workshifts and kids and maybe have only a couple hours per week. Everybody should be able get higher tier weapons. What they should do is add higher tier difficulties which give extra rewards or sth i dont know.
@@valentinaskugis7444 I respectfully disagree. IMO catering to people who only get less than a few hours of time a week to play is how you kill a game. The game should be catered to those who make it a sizable amount of their “hobby time”. In the end who is going to spend future money on the game to keep it alive? The person who plays once or twice a week or someone who plays a few hours a day? Some people are graced with more free time than others or are simply better. For those with less time or skill you obviously are going to progress slower that should be obvious. That’s the sad reality of life and something people should expect. They shouldn’t want to lower the enjoyment of others to cater to them. Especially when the difficulty was objectively obtainable for “most” people. It’s not like this was a Souls game before the update.
You should absolutely be able to solo any difficulty in the game. Difficulty can scale up with the number of human players if you find it too easy. I was soloing ruthless before patch and I'm soloing it now. The game is in a better place now.
I never got chance to play on the ruthless difficulties before the patch. But the chaos missions are actually fun now where as I hated them before and would actively avoid them.
It's not too easy at all. It still takes 10 standard strikes with a maxed out relic chainsword to get a Rubric or Warrior to execution.
All that while mobs are swarming and 3-5 more Rubrics or Warriors are coming at you.
I'm like average at games. I really struggled with Consort Radahn with no greatshield or other cheese. It probably took me 10 hours of trying.
Anyways, I feel ruthless is in a pretty good spot now. If you are playing with randos like I always do, you're inevitably going to get like level 15 players in your game and you either have to carry hard or you're gonna still lose some runs.
I've still lost runs on the new ruthless so I feel its pretty fine.
Occasionally if you get 2 good randos on your team you will just blow through a ruthless run easily but it doesn't happen that often
Real problem with chaos was that they didnt have build-in weakness, while Tyranids had their synaptic network and when we killed maroris or above enemy all minoris get stunned/damaged, meanwhile Thousand Sons dont have any mechanic like this.
End all be all difficulty name should be "Emperor's Chosen" whenever the hell that happens
If you are playing with a friend and either of you have connectivity issues, try transferring leadership to the person who is stuck.
It has worked 100% of the time when running with my buddies. Even when you get stuck at the victory screen. The transfer will reload that instance and load you back into the party.
PS5 - PC crossplay btw.
My buddy and I derp our way through the new ruthless. I'm pretty bored of the pve now. I really hope Lethal forces players to actually pay attention and cooperate with each other
Destiny 1 had the same issue when it first dropped the weekly Nightfalls. It was unbalanced, the enemies were complete bullet sponges, they took way too long to complete and the rewards were not worth the effort. They tweaked it and then they were fun. Yes they should be challenging, yes they should require a certain level of skill, but they shouldn't be a near impossible sweat fest. I still want the Space Marine power fantasy that was sold to me, not a Soulslike rollie pollie dodging simulator.
Well the issue is that in SM2 the enemies still take 15 bolter rounds to the face and still don't get staggered and into a downed state so they still need to work on the spongy nature of all of the enemies in the game. All but 3 weapons feel horrible to use.
Something I’ve learned from the people on the internet and from any community, is that they’re always gonna complain about something, people love to complain if they don’t get what they want.
Absolutely man. Just enjoy yourself!
The fucking game doesn't work at all for most OCE players since the new patch please tell me we are bitching for no reason
Constant black screens trying to load ops its been plastered everywhere on reddit and even their official bug forum and they haven't even fucking acknowledged it.
@@donniesdeals I’m sorry that’s happening to you, but I can’t speak for other people’s experiences, mines been better, less connectivity problems, better matchmaking. Hope your problems get fixed soon buddy.
you can still get boned if the game decides to spawn 7 warriors at the same time when youre low on ammo
Hope ya parries are goated😂
@@Hisoblack29 my heavy arse is now a bullwark 🗿
gunstrikes don't use ammo
@@EcchiRevengeneither does my thunder hammer
That's my favorite as Assault, they could send 10 of them at me, and I'd be happy. I just hate ranged damage so much, especially when Neurothropes / Zoanthropes show up. They're just completely unfun and ruin the whole flow.
I suggest to people who think that games is too easy now play with randoms without your broken melta guns. Runs with melta noticeably felt easier.
Also it’s pretty random because of ia director. Sometimes this mofo makes substantial felt like ruthless and otherwise
Ruthless was never really difficult. It was more technical and me(L)ta dependent than anything. ImO
Is the game easier now? Yes. Is it more fun now? Also yes.
And that's what matters. I think too many people forget that this is AN ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT. It's for FUN. That's the point. Not to grind out some grueling slog just to say you're so good at a video game on the internet.
The achievement you get on steam for beating an operation on ruthless is 12% of players as of this moment. And if this patch allows for more people to complete ruthless, then I'm all for it.
I am very pleased with 3.0 update
THANK YOU for saying its not too easy, cause it isn't, it does depend on how your playing op's, solo - can be punishing, online with randoms - mixed bag depending on team mates, playing with friends - a lot of fun can still get overwhelmed with random "enemy hordes" and feels great to overcome them, Elitists - I don't wanna hear how easy it is for you go away.
There’s such thing as a happy medium. Sentiment doesn’t have to be bifurcated between those who have sweaty premades and those barely able to complete the lowest difficulty. Challenge is ultimately what keeps players engaged. Call a spade a spade and recognize the gratuitous degree to which the devs of this game have over corrected to appeal to a community which doesn’t genuinely understand what is good for the long term health of this franchise.
The easy way out will kill engagement, and that’s the path we’ve started on
What if lethal difficulty is just the game before the changes? ie minoris goes back to shredding your armor 😂
Found your video about the weapen mastery perks so helpful, couldnt believe i didnt find that out myself. Great vids and channel btw, subbed 👍🏻
I just posted my first Space Marine playthrough, if you can check it out and let me know what you think would appreciate you! Thank you so much!
Its more fun now,no need to make it insanely hard.
Havent done ruthless yet as im just now getting ok on average difficulty and have beat a few on substantial difficulty.
Having fun soo far.
100% agree with this take. Ruthless Chaos missions were borderline unplayable when you first got into ruthless difficulty, without already having any relic weapons and even then it was a 50/50. Not playing meta builds was also impossible, which really sucked. I love my Heavy's Multimelta, but I also enjoy the Heave Bolter or the Plasma gun. Now I can actually play them in ruthless missions and the game got a lot better for it.
Don’t worry everyone will complain and they will make it harder and people will complain again.😂😂
What’s wrong with being a death dealing space marine main character and not just another k of it as plot armor 😂
I agree, It’s way more fun to play now than pre-patch..
Now I’m leveled up with Relic weapons, I’m looking forward to the new difficulty level.
The changes have made the game less tedious on difficulty 2, 3, and 4, but there's still more work to be done.
I still find the difficulty system unintuitive due to the dodge/parry window being made shorter on difficulty 3 and 4, especially when it isn't noted in the difficulty level upon selection someone had to datamine it to figure it out.
I don't mind the game being harder on higher difficulties but the progression and the way you interact with enemies (dodge/parry windows) should be intuitive throughout the difficulty levels. Arbitrarily shortening windows after people have learned when to dodge on difficulty 1 and 2 makes adapting to difficulty 3 and 4 more clunky than it should be.
Furthermore the progression of weapon data, and the general balance of artificer level gear is a little shaky. Difficulty 1 provides master-crafted data, but difficulty 2 also only provides master-crafted data. Which means you end up going into difficulty 3 at an inherent disadvantage even before the modifiers (shown or hidden) are applied.
Tier 1 - Master-crafted Data (Able to gain Tier 2 data, and thus logically progress to Tier 2)
Tier 2 - Master-crafted Data 😕(Unable to gain Tier 3, and thus put at a disadvantage for clearing Tier 3)
Tier 3 - Artificer Data (Unable to gain Tier 4)
Tier 4 - Relic Data (Top tier)
If Tier 5 doesn't add new weapons then I imagine the reward will be a series of cosmetics 🤔
I 1000% disagree with you saying “the hardest difficulty needs to be beaten with a team”. This is so in accurate that some games even reward those who do such a challenge are rewarded.
Yesterday it gave us the neurothrope on the final stage of inferno. Between the massive waves and the boss we got overwhelmed.
I actually love the update, three hits from a minoris enemy would tear through your armor on ruthless, that was my only gripe, I'm not sure if parry timing got increased but I'm getting all of my parries consistently on bulwark. That isn't to say that if i lose focus and mess up more than once, it's a assured death, which I'm fine with.
I've been playing games on my sofa like 3-4 feet away from my tv with everything hooked in. I recently put my game running 1440p in windowed and i can see all the enviro-markings around my player and not need iguana eyes
Yes. It was already easy before and now its laughably so. With the chaos changes those missions are even more of a breeze. I'm sitting on so much relic data I have no idea what to do with it.
Can we actually commend the devs for doing a amazing job with the balance
It's way way way too easy now. I don't like that I can carry a run solo. I enjoyed that it was tough.
The issue with trying to throw two terminus enemies is the amount of ammo it takes to kill them. You just dont have enough and the option should be run or die
I think the minoris damage nerf was definitely needed and the ability to get armor back from perfect parrying them very much helped survival rates. But overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer. Spore bombs, Devourers and Rubric Marines with flamers will still absolutely remove your health bar if you aren't paying attention or get unlucky.
I got bored with campaign after 2 missions, went operations with a friend guiding and carrying a bit while I got my bearings in 3rd difficulty, few hours later we're in 4th difficulty and now I can handle it myself too. 18 hours played. I can't imagine spending another 100 hours playing it when it already is getting boring because my class is now getting maxed(making it easier) and unlocking legendary weapons(making it easier). Wish I saw what the difficulty was prior to the patch. I remember a comment my friend made today, "You know how in some games you can talk about stuff while playing, while in others, you get silent because you have to focus up. Playing ruthless doesn't make you shut up like auric missions in Darktide does."
I think they’re gonna make lethal difficulty basically exactly like ruthless was pre-patch and make the rewards purely cosmetic. That way good players can still get relic weapons while the gods among men can get some immaculate drip only they have.
Hardest part of the game is still trying to connect to games and stay connected until end of game. Connectivity issues are MASSIVE!
Unless you're running 1 or 2 meltas, anything above average can be a chore specially in Chaos missions, which all it takes is 1 massive wave and a elite not getting silenced to ruin a 25 min. run.
Enemies are still bulletsponges which still makes bolters unreliable
All they have to do for lethal is make the AI director use the old ruthless parameters, then double the numbers of enemies. Then all of the sweats who are complaining about ruthless being too easy can go play lethal. Currently (post patch), ruthless is actually fun to play now (for those of us who play mostly with randoms). Before, it was just button mashing, rolling everywhere, trying to constantly dodge, having minoris wipe your armor in 2-3 hits, then going down 5 seconds later. Yes, it felt great clearing the mission, but it was usually very frustrating when playing with randoms, and somebody dropped in with a level 5, that really couldn’t do anything, and we wiped shortly afterwards, about halfway through the mission.
Sweatlords crying that a stiff breeze won't strip all the armor off a space marine kick and scream at the sight of people having FUN in the video game they paid for. Go use just white weapons if "ItS tOo EaSy!" now that 10 shield gores don't spawn on top of you
Couldn’t the opposite be said to casual gamers “If it’s too hard do a lower difficulty, why do you need Relic tier weapons if you don’t want to play of ruthless difficulty”
@@Q2Qool true ! and sm2 was never to hard but the patch makes totaly sense and i like it
Go play lower difficulties if you suck lil bro. Dont nerf the whole game for everybody( i paid the game too and im not having fun with this cakewalk ruthless)
@@Skufnut_ just makes the 3rd difficulty unlock relic stuff and let people without skill issue to have a challenge not Nerf the whole game lul
@@Skufnut_ Lil bro there have been different difficulties for 30 years. If you find something "hard"(lmao) just lower the difficulty, if your ego cant handle the skill issue just play babymode or normal dont know. Keep saying the Doritos thing all you want, some of this "sweats" have more Life than you and are better at videogames too.
Honestly, the only noticeable difference is the fact we can replenish armor by parrying minoris enemies.
I think another cool addition to the Lethal difficulty would be to lower the respawn timer back down to 60sec or less and then remove the mortal wound. Just instant death respawn counter. That would definitely make it more Lethal
Chaos missions before the nerf/buff (however you look at it) were more than manageable even for semi-casual groups or for hardcore groups without relic weapons.
Avoiding them before the patch was your choice, but it wasn't required or necessary.
Pre nerf chaos missions were easy for a sniper. I'm an average casual and I managed to do all 6 missions on ruthless before the patch with randoms. Tbh I actually enjoyed fighting chaos enemies but only when playing sniper.
Lethal to me will be "Old ruthless" damage, less bullet spongy, but much more enemies AND..... Friendly Fire on ranged attacks. Loot rewards should be the Orange armor data, as levels 1-4 are to prepare you for Lethal. I want lethal to be a nightmare.
My mate and i always took the Tyranid missions because the chaos ones were sometimes just so overwhelming (Helldrake, Battery delivery and especially that god damn elevator). After the patch chaos missions are way more enjoyable and fun
I feel like the AI director has always been ruthless. I played a game on veteran the other day, with an assault and a heavy-bot (first mission). We ran into at least 5 extremis + a Carnifex!!!
I found the games top diff was fair before its just if u get your characters right it makes it easy its not a hard game just gotta level up
A prediction for prestige going off of Focus' previous game World War Z. Class only not weapons and the first X prestiges will come with 1 new permanent perk for that class. For WWZ it was the first 3 and each perk built off of something the class did a lot, like extra ammo, or more melee damage ect. So we could possibly see something like that.
OHHH interesting! Thank you! Didn't know that
Personally just thought that the Tzaangor shields was the main issue along with melee needing a slight buff, jumpacks needing buff and minoris enemies reduced damage.
Not a fan of them reducing spawn rates. Hordes of enemies is a fun challenge.
All heavy need to do (even before the patch) was to aim the heavy bolter above the head. Then you can sweep the entire horde. Never had a massive issue all the time.
Tyranids are in a great place with the armour changes. But chaos are too easy. I dont think its even a balancing issue. More of a unit type problem. Chaos missions on ruthless feel empty now.
Yes chaos levels are empty as fuck
I was good before the patch, easily able to handle ruthless, and i still find the game extremely fun! i welcome the change, gives me more reason to play after working in bad weather all day everyday
The nids are fun because of all the parries and dodges and they are fun close up, which is handy as the best guns are are the shotty like meltas.
To make chaos fun have them draw their swords when you get close so you get the parry dance going. Also improve the bolt rifles so range combat is fun, currently only snipers seem to fight at range, chaos should give the choice to have firefights but closing the distance asap is the best strategy right now.
It was honestly already getting too easy before the nerfs
I think the recent nerfs to the enemies was to prepare for Lethal (though my buddy and I actually friended through our level one characters and standard weapons by just playing ruthless to the point it became trivial for us since we got good at the game.) since ruthless did have some pretty bad moments but nothing too terrible once you learned how to control the field. My buddy and I have played over 200 ruthless ops with only like 6 fails BEFORE the update. It’s not so much as being too easy but just learning to manage the enemies on the field.
It doesnt matter anyway because they’re releasing a difficulty above Ruthless.
Tzaan shields and rubric marines taking a whole bolt clip to the eyes to kill was unacceptable
worth noting ruthless is recommended for lvl 15, but on release was not balanced for lvl 15 classes but rather maxed out classes with their relic gear. lethal will be either for 20 or 25 and will present the challenge more appropriate for maxed out characaters.
also worth mentioning that the balance patch gives the devs design space to fill with new enemy types. imagine the battlefield with one or two more majoris/extremis/terminus enemies with mechanics that ud need to deal with pre patch vs post patch and i think it will end up in a solid state. we are just in a little content lull in the mean time
We know have that power feel, we just need more enemies. MORE.
The second stage on Ballistic Machine in the big room is peak. So many Xenos, tons of smashing.
All I want with ruthless + is to replace 80% of minoris to Majoris. More frequent hordes incorporating Minoris And more than 2 bosses per operation to fight. That’d be great.
It was never hard. Ruthless should be a bit rough. Now chaos is a complete joke.
Ruthless was already easy. Now it feels like average. I loved having so many things to shoot, and quickly reacting to everything
PvP is where the real challenge is at! Love this game and honestly I rate the operations highly but the PvP is so addictive even if we only have 3 maps. I’m uploading content daily but hopefully they don’t let the PvP die to just focus on operations.
Not related to this difficulty, but I can very much see Lethal difficulty having a down and out style where you don't enter the downed stage with a mortal wound, and instead once you die you have to wait for respawn. Maybe they go further and say once you die you have to wait for the checkpoint instead of a timer.