Civivi 9cr18 vs Real Steel 9cr18 edge retention testing. Is this a better budget steel than D2?
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- Civivi 9cr18 vs Real Steel 9cr18 edge retention testing. How well does this steel do? Is it better than D2 as a budget steel? All this and more in this video. Tha I you to Chronovore and Its A Knifestyle for providing these knives to test.
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Those numbers are incredible for Civivi. Who wouldn’t want that kind of performance for $45. I have the Praxis, it was one of the first models released. It has performed very well for me. I love these tests that prove us all wrong. Give me this steel over most M390. Thank you
I'm surprised at how good it feels during sharpening. The feedback is what I'd expect from a nicely done higher end stainless.
I still need to pick up a Praxxis. Such as awesome knife.
I've had two Civivi knives with 9cr18mov blades as well and have had similar results. It's fantastic steel when heat treated properly. My Civivi knives are the Vagabond and the Praxis, both with 9cr18mov. I enjoyed your video very much, thank you
I'm thinking about getting the Praxis flipper and wonder if they open smoothly and fast . Alson wondering where Civivi are made . I'm guessing China. Thanks for your comment.
Amazing, I have been waiting for this video for so long, thanks again for all the effort and time you put on this videos, for me it is always interesting to see what different type of steels and heat treatments can actually do
You're welcome, I too enjoy seeing how all the steels from different manufacturers perform.
I bought a carbon fiber backlash to keep in my car and it ended up being one of my most carried knives. It's a great cutter, really thin behind the edge. Great vid!
The geometry on them is nice and it's a comfortable design.
Thank you, this has really opened my eyes as I have not got into any 9cr18 but a bit of D2 and now things have changed. Great video. 👍S up man
You're welcome
I really enjoy your content. Thank you.
Great numbers on the Civivis!! A little surprised but not really...always had great luck with Civivi's 9CR! Thanks for sharing G!!!
You're welcome
Civivi / We seems to focus on quality throughout their production. It's great to see that also includes heat treat! Great value!
Thank you for sharing, G! 👊🏻
You're welcome, this Naja actually cut double what a WE in S35VN I had did. I'll keep saying most companies have fit and finish dialed in and now they need to work on their heat treats.
Nice test thanks again 👍
You're welcome
Have several d2 civivis. Think that baklash is a must have. Thanks, G.
You're welcome
Great info - thank you.
You're welcome
This is amazing, Civivi knocking it out of the park!
PROPER real world testing.
Cutting on wooden board with random pressure throws any result out the window.
I've used a 8cr13 Kershaw One Ton for 8 years opening a container full of boxes and cutting thru strapping on a monthly basis, cutting wire even scraping grouting off tiles. Never felt the need to move to "super steels". Have moved on to AUS10A though.
My Real Steel Arbiter, 9cr large version of what you tested here, felt soft the one time I sharpened though I was using brand new diamond stones. Saying that it's been working perfect as a daily camp knife and tucks nicely tent pillow knife when sleeping incase of lions/hyaena etc
You live in Africa?
@@brianfischer5609yeah. South Africa. From the city into the wild. Guys take it for granted steel that's easy to sharpen. Until you are away from home, start hard using and suddenly find a dull blade.
Dang it’s crazy that the 9cr knives from Civivi are cheaper than the D2, and they get such good performance. Thanks👍
It really is, I didn't know what to expect but they are solid.
Very interesting results
Absolutely, I'm going to run them at a high polish and see if the results are even better.
I wished civivi had more knives in this steel instead of d2
That would be nice, it's a far better steel than D2 for a user knife.
This comment aged well😂 you got your wish!
The Naja is discontinued, and I love mine. I did an entire week carry recently and used and abused it with fantastic results on the factory edge and can only imagine how well it will do after I resharpen it.
I'd its anything like this one it will be a solid user.
Nice work!
Thank you
That first Civivi did a few feet better than my 14c28n knife from Ruike Knives, but that second Civivi, wow. Promising results
I'll have to get a few more in and see how they do. That way I'll have a bigger sample size.
I have a Civivi Praxis it's my 2nd favorite folder right behind my Spyderco s30v Manix 2.
The Praxis is so darn slicey I love it👍!
I have the Praxis in 9Cr, it has truly performed much better than I expected for $35. It's not M390, but it certainly satisfies for half as much as my Kershaw Link cost.
This is a very timely video considering I have a knife in Artisan’s AR-RPM9 to play with coming this week, which to my understanding is more or less a PM version of 9cr, Now I have some results to compare it to.
The chemical composition according to Artisan is in the same ballpark as 9Cr18Mov and Acuto 440. Looking at the performance of those steels from WE and Kizer respectively, I think that's a great starting point for a PM budget steel.
Yes, if we could get some test results on AR-RPM9 that would be excellent.
Once I can find some to test I definitely will.
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I have a cjrb ria in that steel if you your interested. Let me know and I'll send it out
@@BenoJ3000 I would like that, I'm curious how it will do. Message me throu6email or on Instagram and I'll get you my info. Thank you.
Thanks so if I was to carry two civivi 9cr18 knives I could cut 1 ton of cardboard very economically and only sharpen every two years so cool 😎 you are the man thank you very much for all your testing
You're welcome and that's funny.
I looked this up (and actually found this channel initially) because I’d been having similar experiences with my 9cr civivis. I’d noticed that my praxis was giving me similar “real world carry” retention compared to my 30v, 35vn and xhp spydercos. If you REALLY wanna push the issue, they probably get you a bit further because they’re easy to strop back. Definitely not a popular sentiment among the super steel devotees but hey...it is what it is. Really speaks to the power of heat treat and blade geometry.
The Civivi 9cr18 is a great value for performance offering.
The Civivi 9cr18 is a great value for performance offering.
It's consumer psychology of marketing the "latest and greatest" in super steels and handle material, that the big familiar companies/makers rely upon, to sucker buyers with perceived quality and performance, while justifying higher prices.
WE/Civivi gave their 9cr18mov a shot at public acceptance, but couldn't overcome the stereotype of "made in China" steel - so now they're going to use the popular and costlier Western steels and charge more, just like their Western and Japanese counterparts.
Now they understand that "snob appeal" sells more.
That’s pretty amazing results, I’ve seen some S30V that didn’t hit that mark. I’m sure you have because most of my experience in seeing data is you and Cedric and Ada . Best performance to cost ratio out there. Maybe some really well done D2 could beat that, but I don’t think you would find it on the $50-$70 Range.
Wow.. thanks for sharing
You're welcome
Nice work. And yeah, that kind of performance at that pp, hard to argue. I too am allergic to the imports for a lot of reasons we discuss. But it appears WE/CIVIVI have some things dialed in...astonishing at times considering what Lionsteel is asking for M390 and it's output. Seems like a good gift for a non-knife person to infect them with the disease...🤣😂
What's crazy is this 9cr18 cut double what a WE in S35VN I had did. It's sad that their budget steel did so much better than their premium steel.
@@Outpost_76 it's interesting if you've followed the emergence of the glamour steels...I remember Kiser was kind of the first to really flood the market with S35vn @ the sub $150 price point. Like big time. I do question a ton of these and the hurry to introduce the newest alloys. Heat treat consistency/edge geometry seem to be the keys to the kingdom of performance relative to pricing.
Good steel,good geometry,good sharpener. Like how you keep variables down.
Thank you, I try to keep everything as consistent as I can.
The results for Civivi's 9Cr18Mov make me question spending twice as much for S35VN. While Real Steel's 9Cr18Mov fell short of Civivi's, it still beats a lot of D2. All things considered, the Receptor is nice little fixed blade for $47. Now I'm especially curious to see the Schrade tested. I'm also curious about Artisan's new PM take on this steel.
I should have mentioned that the Naja cut double what my WE in S35VN did. Their budget steel doubled the cutting of their premium steel. Definitely eye opening.
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That's what the Chinese have been providing overall, when their better companies aren't blindly avoided - value for the money spent.
Meanwhile, other companies use psychological manipulation to sell the "latest and greatest" to justify higher prices.
Good luck in getting Civivi to go back to their 9cr18mov, since they realize that people shun good metals, geometry, and heat treatment for familiar Western steels that have the perceived quality that comes with higher costs.
Sanrenmu's heat treatment is excellent. SRM, Real Steel, Land, Ruike.
So they are good at slicing cardboard. How does it do when you need a thicker stock behind the edge? For tougher tasks? Thank u
I’ve heard 9cr is supposed to preform near VG10 from many people so idk how true that is but I’m not surprised they’d do well
I think this 9cr18 from Civivi is better than VG-10 from a daily user experience. I used the Baklash for a week and it gave me more work done than my VG-10 Endura did.
Excellent
I’m very happy with Civivi’s 9CR it has performed very well for me and sharpens easily I prefer it over there D2
I prefer it over the D2 as well, sharpens better and lasts longer during use. Definitely one of the better budget steels.
i was gonna sell my naja flipper, but now i'm gonna keep it! astounding!!
It surprised me too. It felt like a premium stainless during sharpening.
Do I understand correctly that these would come from the factory with something more like 20° edges and that if we don't alter that to 15° like you did here (not to speak of the other sharpening details yet), we should expect substantially less impressive results than you've gotten here?
That's a good question. The Baklash already had a 16 dps edge. The Naja was closer to 21 dps factory. I'll be talking about secondary bevel angles in a separate video. After having some long conversations with Roman and I have some tests not out yet, not all steels do better past a certain point. Look at my M390 PM2 video that was 18 dps and the first Hogue RSK 20CV video where below 17 dps performance fell off. I test at 15 dps as often as possible to keep it all on the same standard. There have been a few times I ran different angles and its always notated during the video.
Civivi heat treat must be really good
Glad I picked up a Naja on clearance for $39.
I know you don’t like testing imports, but can you test the civivi conspirator?
I don't have an issue testing them. I'm just not buying knives like that to test knowing I'll never carry them. If someone offers one to test then I'd be happy to do it.
Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work...
You're welcome and thank you.
The numbers are pretty amazing... has anyone had Civivi's 9Cr tested to determine if it's really 9Cr? Again, those numbers are pretty surprising and amazing...
I would think Lee has with all the PMI testing he does. I'll have to look back through it ask him to find out.
@@Outpost_76 Great numbers no doubt... just don't remember any Civivi 9Cr being PMI'd. Great job G!
@@Outpost_76 there was one case when harnds blazer claimed to be 9cr turned out to be 14c .. strange
The 9Cr18MoV beating the s35vn makes me think they're doing something wrong with their heat treat on the s35vn. I'm impressed enough I'm getting an ortis and possibly a badlands vagabond in blue FRN & plain blades.
I believe that WE/civivi does the 9Cr18MoV around 59 hardness. I'd be curious what they are doing with s35vn, does anyone have a good source? I'm also curious if a slightly more obtuse angle (18 dps) would help the softer real steel knife out.
I have the Vagabond, you won't be disappointed, it's a fantastic budget knife, I carry it on a regular basis. It's well worth the money.
Wow!
Another thing I would like to remind everyone of: D2 steel is HARD to sharpen. I consider myself slightly above average when it comes to sharpening with whetstones, and truth be told, I've never been able to get an edge that I consider acceptable with D2 steel. I bought a Praxis recently, and it sharpens beautify with no problem.
The video shows us that D2 and 9CR are pretty much neck and neck, but would it really be a fair test if you, yourself, can't get a good edge on it after sharpening it? Probably not.
I'd rather have a knife with a steel that I can sharpen accurately than a steel that *says* will hold an edge better but I myself can't sharpen.
Wonder how the damascus 9cr compares. Impressive results.
The Damascus isn't 9cr afaik
@@Kraakesolv that's what I read
Once I find one to test I'll find out.
Holy sht! Now this is really impressive...
I think the geometry of civivi is like bucks edge 2000.
You've got to be kidding me. Those numbers from Civivi ❗❗❗❗Why are we not talking more about this M390 or these super steels vs budget steels.
Why isnt this making waves in the community? People accept high prices on knives partly because of the supposed edge retention super steels have. WTF
D2 haters should get one at hrc 61-62. And hard to sharpen? Hardly.
I never even used 9cr18mov before I bought a Civivi when they first came out and as soon as I used it I knew it was a really good working steel , so I bought all 3 of Civivi's 9cr models for around $42 each and those knives are UNBEATABLE at that price , imo , and then they switched to D2 and I was sick 🤮, I never really liked the Chinese D2. Also Civivi's excellent blade geometry obviously helps with the slicing , anyway 9cr18 and AUS-10 are my favorite budget steels by a long shot , the ease of sharpening and super fine edge are awesome, If you guys have never used these steels I would HIGHLY Recommend them ...👍👊🖖
Yeah, people tell them they want D2 because... Something. And the company listens of course, they want to sell their product. It's a shame.
I enjoyed testing these and finding out how they performed. Definitely a great budget steel.
Show this to Cedric. 😀
Cedric and Ada is his Dogs, his name is Pete. 😄
@@orange010 oh, yes. I meant him. 😆
Are Civivi made in China ? Thanks.
Yes they are
@@Outpost_76 THX
Only with a modified edge. D2 was made more for toughness and hardness hence why its used in stamping metal.
D2 may be fine for industry use but I don't like it in knives. No D2 I've tested has come close to the 9cr18 and only the CPM-D2 did well. Way too many choices today that are tougher and more wear resistant than D2 for any use.
I don't like we knives at all. But that's good price to performance. Unlike there other choices. I'd say their so called premium level knives are a huge rip off.
Why
If you look in the spreadsheet the Naja cut double what my WE S35VN did. WE has pretty good fit and finish but their premium heat treats need work.
@@Outpost_76 wow lol that sucks we makes good knives if only they had better ht