@sabio10000 sure thing man, engraved - rune addon, icehud - hp bar addon, extrabars - extra action bars, healershavetodie - points out healers in bg's, tidy plates - nice enemy hp bar addon. quartz - nice casting bar.
Meta: Strength Red: Strength Yellow: 50 Mastery/Resillience or the 25 Str+Mastery (Whatever you like) Blue: 2x Stormy Deepholm Iolite. This will top you off with the Spellpen cap, and you'll have shitloads of Strength. If you feel squishy - Go with Resi gems in yellow slots.
@PlazmahDK I just ran the numbers myself and you're correct, Although Necrotic should only be used on classes who can actually heal or are being healed. But I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I will be uploading a video later that corrects my mistake.
@Kaeraen Yeap, they put them back into the game. You have to go to Outlands and go to Area 52 near the top of the map, and in one of the buildings there is a guy who sells em for like 1500 honor.
@Fozoid i meant previous patch i'd do 9-10mil av as blood, now as blood around 3-4mil from vengeance gimp and rotation change, i don't play blood anymore. My DK is Sinslay - Greymane, tho he is just one of my 8 85's.
@TheSOKOI It's just the standard UI with some addons thrown in. The most obvious one that stands out is called IceHUD its the bars you see beside my character.
@xQrezHD the only thing blood is good for in PvP is Flag Carrying like its intended for, people who use it for other reasons are stupid. And when it comes to Frost yea its great, but Unholy can stomp a frost DK any day. Unholy has way more survivability than a frost DK and a lot more utilities at there disposal. Unholy Frenzy + transformed Ghoul + gargoyle + trinket + Racial also comes out to being higher burst than Frost.
@DeFragin You have Obliterate -> Frost strike -> HB (HB when no other move is availabe) while alot of ppl say it's better with HB -> Obliterate if KM procs -> Frost strike , why is yours better when you can do HB*4 with 15k each hit instead or Obliterate *2 that might not crit? i might be completely wrong about this but why do you think that Obliterate -> Frost strike -> HB is better? ty :)
@crosstalkg33k When it comes to Necrotic Strike vs Plague Strike they are really used for two completely separate reasons. The only time you should use Necrotic Strike is to slow down a healer. And the only time you should use Plague Strike is to apply diseases and to reapply them. If you're diseases are up you have no need to use Plague strike. And you have no need to use Necrotic strike on a target that can't heal. And open with outbreak whenever its off cd diseases up faster.
@AustinpawlHD I do use Necrotic Strike, but when it comes down to a Normal BG's I don't really need it. When I'm doing arena's or RBG's I have 6 keybinds on my extrebars addon. One being Necrotic Strike.
@Hybirdman really because the only addon's you can see are engraved, extra bars, cooldowntogo, and icehud. and omnicc but thats only when a move is on cooldown..
So when do you use necrotic strike vs plague strike? I was just wondering on the proper application. I tend to use necrotic on healers but I'm not really sure when to use plague. I had one other question to you tend to open with outbreak or howling blast?
@Fozoid Maybe with the people you fight but since 4.3.2 patch as unholy I can take bloods down that are equally geared. Just have to keep up the Necrotic Strike and let your ghoul/gargoyle do most of the damage while you prevent them from healing.
cool vid mate. Whats your view now on HB V.S Oblit. After watching Joeterino's vids I decided to work his math out on resil/armor ect vs 2 f ruins for 1 oblit, vs the damage of 2 HB's for those same 2 ruins, ignoring armor vaue competely. It seems to me HB and going mastery is superior in many cases. I seem to get the numbers to show HB every time. I do however understand with a 2h weap you WILL be using oblit regardless specialy in
@DeFragin I'm very new at DK and i'm still lvling it up, i tried to find something about this but it was not that much info that i could find, but what i found on a forum was that you were supposed to keep diseases up, necrotic spam and only use obliterate if you have a KM proc. I guess they mean this for arena so since it's just random BG's you could change the necrotic's to Howling Blast? And i thought you could use Howling Blast 4 times not 2, so that would be 60k damage? v v v v v
What exactly do you suggest? Ignore obliterate on mail-plate wearers and use death strike to keep your sef alive? Ive been using mainly obliterate-frost strike agaisnt any class and it works well. I think ive noticed some difference in damage against plate wearers but i dont think its that important. Should i ignore obliterate and use howling blast?
for better dps spam howling blast and only use oblit when your enemy is super low health and u want a knock out and for frost strike use that when u got no more runes for unholy blood or frost
Still kind of new to DK myself, but the rotation is all wrong. If there is a healer around it goes 4Necrotic-->2Howling--> frost strike runic dump No healer 4Howling-->2Necrotic--> frost strike runic dump (with both these you get 6 attacks and more runic generation then 3 Obliterate's) The only time to use obliterate is against a low armor class below 35% health.
@Devictur If your talking about putting 2 pts in improved frost presence for 2H you would be way off. Unholy presence is the best for PvP seeing as it gives you increased run speed, rune regeneration, and reduces the global cooldown. And as for the points in Annihilation, Obliterate is you're hardest hitting move spending only 1 pt in it for the 15% dmg bonus and ignoring the 45% dmg bonus by going for a 5% dmg bonus overall with improved frost presence doesn't anywhere near make up for the loss
@Plut0x No I know dude, This video is an older vid. If you watched my other video's you would know that I now DW. And I hardly ever use OB. Only time i really use it is when the enemy is below 35% and KM is proc'd to finish them off.
Can anyone please state what the addons are that shows the row of icons showing the cooldowns of his main ability's, his rune cool-downs and the one where it displays the icon of ability's that are cooling down in the middle of the screen, that is almost the perfect dk ui setup imo, and i want it!
pve is another story because the blood will be keeping things from attacking frost (obviously because blood only tanks in pve) therefore giving the frost dk all the time in the world to deal damage, as opposed to being the auto-target being seen as the lesser and easier to kill of the two. So yes frost is better pve for dps.. but that's like saying cat form is better than bear form for dps..
@Fozoid wrong, obviously you don't know about the recent nerf to blood. Blood no longer gets vengeance from being hit by players, so no more insance damage. Plus everytime i was frost i was always top dps in BG's besides. Now the blood dks got there deserved nerf I equally geared and skilled. Unholy vs Blood. If the unholy knows what he is doing can take down the blood dk like nothing. Its called kiting. and you really need to study up cause you got a long way to go.
Atm obliterate is king against everything, on lvl 90 i crit 80k-100k on plate wearers, most of them being 6k resilience and above. Im really wandering if dual wield works out in 90 pvp though, i havent tried it since 4.3
Quite frankly, the cast time isnt worth it in most cases. Unless you have a pally friend with you who could cast Aura Mastery on you before you cast it. This will prevent any interrupts on the cast. And will ensure a 100% successful cast.
@deFragin Hey man... ive been looking for a damn set like what your wearing.. plz post a video response showing me all your amor? im new to cata. just make it easy for me plz. xD and if you play on a private server let me know wich one? :)
imo 2h is never better then dual-wield. since with dual wield u'll both get fallen crusader on 1st one and razorice on second so that SHOULD in fact increase the DPS over 2h. i know 2h seems like some awesome critting. but a good one handed frost dk can burst faster then 2h.
dual wield=more fallen crusader procs,razorice,more killing machine.2h=more runic power and sustain and more necro strike dmg .I personally chose dual wield but it depends on personal preference
@VeuxGamingHD I'm Sorry to say but even with DW you hit a lot more than just 30k with obliterate I've hit 30k with obliterate with just my MH before, not including my OH's dmg Plus Obliterate is more reliable dmg then Howling Blast because you have to take in consideration that when killing machine procs Its going to crit no matter what Doing well over 30k at least for me. Howling blast on the other hand has nothing to guarantee a critical hit and you don't gem/reforge for crit
Just get full pvp gear there ya go i run full cata and heroic gurth and that turns out around 4.5k resil and that's just find especially cause i sacrifice 300 resil for way more damage.
because its a tank spec and if it were nerfed it would fck with the balance of pve tanking for dk's, but all in all its pretty op; there only weakness is unholy if there good they can absorb 90% of heals wich will make you nothing more than a ragdoll to them
More useful than ever 12 years later!!!
You speak very clearly and slowly which makes your videos very appealing to follow, GJ! :)
@sabio10000 sure thing man, engraved - rune addon, icehud - hp bar addon, extrabars - extra action bars, healershavetodie - points out healers in bg's, tidy plates - nice enemy hp bar addon. quartz - nice casting bar.
Meta: Strength Red: Strength Yellow: 50 Mastery/Resillience or the 25 Str+Mastery (Whatever you like) Blue: 2x Stormy Deepholm Iolite.
This will top you off with the Spellpen cap, and you'll have shitloads of Strength.
If you feel squishy - Go with Resi gems in yellow slots.
@PlazmahDK I just ran the numbers myself and you're correct, Although Necrotic should only be used on classes who can actually heal or are being healed. But I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. I will be uploading a video later that corrects my mistake.
@Kaeraen Yeap, they put them back into the game. You have to go to Outlands and go to Area 52 near the top of the map, and in one of the buildings there is a guy who sells em for like 1500 honor.
@bulllletsss yes, Frost presence as of this patch isn't worth using. The haste bonus and reduced gcd from unholy presence is much greater.
@Plut0x I never said 2H was bad, DW and 2H are extremely close in dmg. It's just DW has a little more burst and 2H has more sustained damage.
@Fozoid i meant previous patch i'd do 9-10mil av as blood, now as blood around 3-4mil from vengeance gimp and rotation change, i don't play blood anymore.
My DK is Sinslay - Greymane, tho he is just one of my 8 85's.
@TheSOKOI It's just the standard UI with some addons thrown in. The most obvious one that stands out is called IceHUD its the bars you see beside my character.
@xQrezHD the only thing blood is good for in PvP is Flag Carrying like its intended for, people who use it for other reasons are stupid. And when it comes to Frost yea its great, but Unholy can stomp a frost DK any day. Unholy has way more survivability than a frost DK and a lot more utilities at there disposal. Unholy Frenzy + transformed Ghoul + gargoyle + trinket + Racial also comes out to being higher burst than Frost.
@DeFragin You have Obliterate -> Frost strike -> HB (HB when no other move is availabe) while alot of ppl say it's better with HB -> Obliterate if KM procs -> Frost strike , why is yours better when you can do HB*4 with 15k each hit instead or Obliterate *2 that might not crit? i might be completely wrong about this but why do you think that Obliterate -> Frost strike -> HB is better? ty :)
DeFragin, plz tell what addons you use!
Dont use obliterate, dont take the glyph dont use the talent points, just use the other 3 main abillity's
@crosstalkg33k When it comes to Necrotic Strike vs Plague Strike they are really used for two completely separate reasons. The only time you should use Necrotic Strike is to slow down a healer. And the only time you should use Plague Strike is to apply diseases and to reapply them. If you're diseases are up you have no need to use Plague strike. And you have no need to use Necrotic strike on a target that can't heal. And open with outbreak whenever its off cd diseases up faster.
Your videos make my day..... some one has to make me laugh.
@AustinpawlHD I do use Necrotic Strike, but when it comes down to a Normal BG's I don't really need it. When I'm doing arena's or RBG's I have 6 keybinds on my extrebars addon. One being Necrotic Strike.
This helped a bunch, but do you ever use plague strike to apply the other disease other than frost fever?
So you're not using necrotic strike? I wonder what your rbg/arena ratings are!
@StrikerSWFT Yeah i'm sure next patch blizz will put blood back to normal or really nerf them badly as they with locks at the beginning of cata.
@Hybirdman really because the only addon's you can see are engraved, extra bars, cooldowntogo, and icehud. and omnicc but thats only when a move is on cooldown..
In the intro you said setting up your paladin for pvp?
So when do you use necrotic strike vs plague strike? I was just wondering on the proper application. I tend to use necrotic on healers but I'm not really sure when to use plague. I had one other question to you tend to open with outbreak or howling blast?
can you please make a list with your addons?
whats that addon you use with the action bars with your main attacks you use?
@Fozoid Maybe with the people you fight but since 4.3.2 patch as unholy I can take bloods down that are equally geared. Just have to keep up the Necrotic Strike and let your ghoul/gargoyle do most of the damage while you prevent them from healing.
listen if you hit that 5k resil mark start changing ur resil socket bonus items into all str bonuses. helpful tip from a fellow dk ^-^
cool vid mate. Whats your view now on HB V.S Oblit. After watching Joeterino's vids I decided to work his math out on resil/armor ect vs 2 f ruins for 1 oblit, vs the damage of 2 HB's for those same 2 ruins, ignoring armor vaue competely. It seems to me HB and going mastery is superior in many cases. I seem to get the numbers to show HB every time. I do however understand with a 2h weap you WILL be using oblit regardless specialy in
hey dude just wanted to ask whats the add on you using with the icons on trying to get a good dk add on?
@DeFragin I'm very new at DK and i'm still lvling it up, i tried to find something about this but it was not that much info that i could find, but what i found on a forum was that you were supposed to keep diseases up, necrotic spam and only use obliterate if you have a KM proc. I guess they mean this for arena so since it's just random BG's you could change the necrotic's to Howling Blast? And i thought you could use Howling Blast 4 times not 2, so that would be 60k damage?
v v v v v
why wont frost use obilitrate? most dmging abilitiy.
what add-on do you use that shows your runes above your extra bars?
hii man nice video :) what is name of addon for that HP bars???thx
What exactly do you suggest? Ignore obliterate on mail-plate wearers and use death strike to keep your sef alive? Ive been using mainly obliterate-frost strike agaisnt any class and it works well. I think ive noticed some difference in damage against plate wearers but i dont think its that important. Should i ignore obliterate and use howling blast?
@Picaruswow For pvp humans are best. Since humans can have a that spell that removes stuns and slow movements.
for better dps spam howling blast and only use oblit when your enemy is super low health and u want a knock out and for frost strike use that when u got no more runes for unholy blood or frost
Still kind of new to DK myself, but the rotation is all wrong. If there is a healer around it goes
4Necrotic-->2Howling--> frost strike runic dump
No healer
4Howling-->2Necrotic--> frost strike runic dump
(with both these you get 6 attacks and more runic generation then 3 Obliterate's)
The only time to use obliterate is against a low armor class below 35% health.
Great guide, very informative. Definitely subscribing!
This is a great guide. Thanks man.
@StrikerSWFT Yeah I tried unholy very easy to get kited so my secondary spec is blood since this patch blood is sick.
Very helpfull thanks for taking the time to make this helpful video
@TheGDogProductions You do but only on chloth classes
@Devictur If your talking about putting 2 pts in improved frost presence for 2H you would be way off. Unholy presence is the best for PvP seeing as it gives you increased run speed, rune regeneration, and reduces the global cooldown. And as for the points in Annihilation, Obliterate is you're hardest hitting move spending only 1 pt in it for the 15% dmg bonus and ignoring the 45% dmg bonus by going for a 5% dmg bonus overall with improved frost presence doesn't anywhere near make up for the loss
Do you play a Master Frost or a regular frost? Since you prioritize mastery more than haste.
hey, dude i subscribed, i was just wondering is it possible for one to get that axe anymore?
hey when i buy gear, and like reforge do i want stuff like resil /expertise? or like hit/mastery im a frost dk, please reply!
Finally A Guide! Thanks :)
what add-on is that that gives u those 5 moves in the middle of your screen?
@Plut0x No I know dude, This video is an older vid. If you watched my other video's you would know that I now DW. And I hardly ever use OB. Only time i really use it is when the enemy is below 35% and KM is proc'd to finish them off.
nice vid man it helped me alot ty!
For the DW spec, i thought nerves of cold steel would be good for the 25% damage bonus to the off hand
@lawll345 it's called Extra Bars addon :)
@Twinkayful What is it exactly that you wan't my perspective on? and thanks =D
Can anyone please state what the addons are that shows the row of icons showing the cooldowns of his main ability's, his rune cool-downs and the one where it displays the icon of ability's that are cooling down in the middle of the screen, that is almost the perfect dk ui setup imo, and i want it!
Why use Desecration and Chilblains? They do not stack as far as i know
pve is another story because the blood will be keeping things from attacking frost (obviously because blood only tanks in pve) therefore giving the frost dk all the time in the world to deal damage, as opposed to being the auto-target being seen as the lesser and easier to kill of the two. So yes frost is better pve for dps.. but that's like saying cat form is better than bear form for dps..
@StrikerSWFT For what pvp? for 3v3 unholy. Rest such as dueling or bgs and 2v2 is frost
Thanks for the guide. Good job.
if you put mastery before haste why would you put haste on your boots instead of mastery?
@WoWStormfrost I have a video specifically talking about just that
@TheGDogProductions why not? please reply.
What server do you play on?
does the haste make the procs, proc more?
@Fozoid wrong, obviously you don't know about the recent nerf to blood. Blood no longer gets vengeance from being hit by players, so no more insance damage. Plus everytime i was frost i was always top dps in BG's besides. Now the blood dks got there deserved nerf I equally geared and skilled. Unholy vs Blood. If the unholy knows what he is doing can take down the blood dk like nothing. Its called kiting. and you really need to study up cause you got a long way to go.
why in the hell would you take both snares, especially when you can get increased deseas times and or constant RP generation while in combat
Um defraggin I really need ur opinion on something if your can reply please do
Atm obliterate is king against everything, on lvl 90 i crit 80k-100k on plate wearers, most of them being 6k resilience and above. Im really wandering if dual wield works out in 90 pvp though, i havent tried it since 4.3
Quite frankly, the cast time isnt worth it in most cases. Unless you have a pally friend with you who could cast Aura Mastery on you before you cast it. This will prevent any interrupts on the cast. And will ensure a 100% successful cast.
@deFragin Hey man... ive been looking for a damn set like what your wearing.. plz post a video response showing me all your amor? im new to cata. just make it easy for me plz. xD and if you play on a private server let me know wich one? :)
@DeFragin btw i tried 2h with a little twist of my own, and it worked like a charm. would show you prt screen if i could ^^
@ByDyzme Thanks, Glad I could help =D!
What addons where you using there?
when do you get your diseases on your target from?
imo 2h is never better then dual-wield. since with dual wield u'll both get fallen crusader on 1st one and razorice on second so that SHOULD in fact increase the DPS over 2h. i know 2h seems like some awesome critting. but a good one handed frost dk can burst faster then 2h.
dual wield=more fallen crusader procs,razorice,more killing machine.2h=more runic power and sustain and more necro strike dmg .I personally chose dual wield but it depends on personal preference
does any1 know what's the name of the addon that shows his skills on a extra bar? , please send me the link of it or something
@Twinkayful I'm just thinking out loud here, i'm not sure if this is accurate or not, please tell me your perspective on this :) love the guide btw.
Why dont you pick up rime in your talents?
You can try out UmberRunes - You can get it on Curse.com. (Not sure if its updated for 5.0.4 yet or not)
Well playing at 2400+ arenas, I kinda found it useful?
tell me addons name need me for DK
what addons do you use?
Why take desecration when you never use necrotic strike? your rotation is incorrect as well
when i get level 55 i want to made a dk ,but the problem is: i can change the race and class for free?
dont you use Necrotic Strike?
Great guide man :)
@StuddMuffin69er Yes yes, I'm sure everyone's noticed my little slip up -_-
what addons are you using???
Cool paladin dude
@VeuxGamingHD I'm Sorry to say but even with DW you hit a lot more than just 30k with obliterate I've hit 30k with obliterate with just my MH before, not including my OH's dmg Plus Obliterate is more reliable dmg then Howling Blast because you have to take in consideration that when killing machine procs Its going to crit no matter what Doing well over 30k at least for me. Howling blast on the other hand has nothing to guarantee a critical hit and you don't gem/reforge for crit
Just get full pvp gear there ya go i run full cata and heroic gurth and that turns out around 4.5k resil and that's just find especially cause i sacrifice 300 resil for way more damage.
I agree - You respec into mastery for the FROST DAMAGE for your FROST strike. ;P
first of all... whats the name of the runes addon ?
Wbats the addon thqt shows cooldowns for youre abilitys and wahts better that or masterfrost
What sockts you use?
What addon is that for the runes?
@leo130792 Thanks, It really means a lot to know that I'm helping people out =D!
because its a tank spec and if it were nerfed it would fck with the balance of pve tanking for dk's, but all in all its pretty op; there only weakness is unholy if there good they can absorb 90% of heals wich will make you nothing more than a ragdoll to them
Are you the guy from Noxxic[dot]com or you just copy that Guide?
that addons do you have?
whats that addon u use?