@xR4PIDSH0TZ I did take obliterate out of the rotation, but I didn't replace it with Death Strike. I just have Death Strike there incase i do need heals. The only moves I use is Howling Blast > Necrotic Strike > FS when KM procs or when HB and NS are on CD. You can watch my frost dk pvp rotation video to see the difference in dmg when you take obliterate out of the rotation.
hey man, just wanted to say, i like the videos and the style in which you deliver them. nothing over the top or too flashy ..to the point and very understandable. i just got back into the game after a long layoff and decided to roll a frost dk. i was 2 hander for a while, but im finding myself liking the dual wield a little better :) think i like the look of it lol... go figure. anyway i subbed and liked. good luck to you with your channel
@FiveStarGameReview The dps listed isn't my top burst dps, I burst up to around 23k but it falls down to what you see there. I highly highly doubt you can sustain 19k dps for 1 minutes..
Great video, but I would love a video of you just explaining your keybinds very indepth, because ive noticed that being a dk, you have a lot of skills to use and i never can find a place for them all, so as a frost dk i end up not using important skills like necrotic strike because idunno where to fit them
obliterate for a huge burst and hitting really hard but NS absorbs their healing taken so its useful against classes that heal or against people being healed alot. and NS also stacks so if you hit them 3 or 4 times with it you will absorb a shit load of healing
the reason being frost DW is the proc of the Killing Machine the reason being TH is Necrotic strike, and what spec is better than unholy for that?? if you have any other question... ;)
The only reason to 2h in pvp, is ut get higher critts, thats the only reason. on top of that you use frost precense for higher dmg. thats what pvp is about.
That's all almost entirely wrong. It seems like you crunched the numbers well, but the differences were small and to run a test like that properly you need to test each one multiple times. You should really get the opposite result. You also missed Necrotic Strike. The healing debuff is not modified by weapon dmg, but the ability does 100% MH weapon dmg, meaning 2H gives you more Necrotic dmg for your rune. For those saying 2H may as well go Unholy, you need Frost for RBGs, Ret/DK/Disc, and TSG.
@DeFragin Have you ever been on Skill-capped? Well I asked around and they say you almost never use your frost runes on HB, you save them for KM procs and using OBL, other than that you want to spam Nec/Frost strike. This is coming from 2900 players. I am 2300 myself but I learn a lot from skill-capped and all I know that is bad. :S not trying to put you down, just helping.
Imo it depends on what weapons you have availiable. If you are doing hc DW and can nab 2xhc souldrinkers then go Dw, if you get a hc gurth'lak, go 2h.. Simple really.
2h does generate more runic power because of that talent dk do not work like warriors runic power does not generate from hits like rage does, its generated from spells that cost runes so no matter how many attacks you land with dw if your not using runes your not getting RP and frozen waste gives more RP for 2h . . . sorry for poor grammar
Souldrinkers with fallen crusader=win. Loose some res but its worth it, armory: noxheart-chamber of aspects. Im not full geared or gems or enchants... But pretty good enyways
DW don't generate any additional runic power just because you're wielding two weapons. Test it out, you acquire much more RP with 2H then DW with that talent.
@FasterThenRehab The only real time that it is viable to use obliterate is not only when killing machine is procced but also when the enemy is below 35% hp for the damage increase, otherwise use HB for death/frost runes and NS for unholy runes and FS for KM procs and rune dump until the enemy is below 35% otherwise using 2 runes on 1 obliterate and not on 2 HB is a waste.
I used to be on team Dual Wield....then I switched to 2h and never looked back. 2h'rs pack more pew pew in short bursts and that's what you need in pvp.
No, because necrotic strike is actully based on attack power. You might have more AP depending on your weapon. Its just preference, If you play DW properly, you're hardly ever starved of RP. I like DW better.
Might of the frozen wastes is a talent for 2 hand trying to keep up with DW off hand generating runic power ... so no, 2 hand does not generate more runic power.
My DW spec will butt rape any 2h DK you need to spec into scent of blood and blade barrier.. For 2's i promise it is the best spec for frost.. I never ever run out of energy if im being attacked
I've got so much to say about how terrible dual wielding is, but... let's just say that Necrotic Strike, howling blast, and frost strike will always be your main attacks, and howling blast and necrotic strike are not used twice when dual wielding. The only time anyone should be using obliterate is when they are fighting CLOTHIES who have LESS THAN 35% HEALTH LEFT. Keep in mind that Obliterate does physical damage and will therefore be low in damage from the other player's armour. It also uses up
Waste of runes. Obliterate is physical damage, therefor is blocked by armor. And it only generates 30 runic power compared to two howling blast's, which generate 40 runic power. Howling Blast and Frost Strike are magical damage, so therefor it's not affected by a players armor, only resilience.
@oToxicKillzo Engraved is the rune addon and extrabars is the name of the other.
@itasn That's with every cd except ghoul as I typically use ghoul for self heals.
@Mistraven613 yes it would be very close to the same results if not exactly.
@xR4PIDSH0TZ I did take obliterate out of the rotation, but I didn't replace it with Death Strike. I just have Death Strike there incase i do need heals. The only moves I use is Howling Blast > Necrotic Strike > FS when KM procs or when HB and NS are on CD. You can watch my frost dk pvp rotation video to see the difference in dmg when you take obliterate out of the rotation.
hey man, just wanted to say, i like the videos and the style in which you deliver them. nothing over the top or too flashy ..to the point and very understandable. i just got back into the game after a long layoff and decided to roll a frost dk. i was 2 hander for a while, but im finding myself liking the dual wield a little better :) think i like the look of it lol... go figure. anyway i subbed and liked. good luck to you with your channel
What is the addon for you're runeic power and health? It was not in you're addon/macro video.
Why don't you use Obliterate?
@DeFragin Doesnt swordbreaking just increase parry chance? Sorry im not very familiar with DKs. Your guides help a lot btw, thanks so much.
@xxxfatalityxxx1995 Nope, It gives you 2% parry and 60% reduced disarm time, and the 2H version gives 4% parry and 60% reduced disarm time.
@FiveStarGameReview The dps listed isn't my top burst dps, I burst up to around 23k but it falls down to what you see there. I highly highly doubt you can sustain 19k dps for 1 minutes..
Great video, but I would love a video of you just explaining your keybinds very indepth, because ive noticed that being a dk, you have a lot of skills to use and i never can find a place for them all, so as a frost dk i end up not using important skills like necrotic strike because idunno where to fit them
What is the addon that puts those attacks in the screen all big with your runs on top
whats the addon called where you can see larger icons of in your case frost strike(?), howling blast, necrotic strike, death strike and mind freeze?
are this Dk weapon's?
Where did you get them and at what level are and you get the dk in stock ====
What is your reasoning behind taking obliterate out of the 'rotation' and replacing it with death strike, is it just for the extra heals?
@DeFragin What add ons are you using to show your runes and Howling blast Necrotic strike etc with cool downs plz reply
@DeFragin the burst damage your talking about would that we with ghoul and every cd?
What addon do u use to show the numbers on the spell
could u plz list all interfaces used when recording this video?thx
@DeFragin Hmm, ok. I see I might have to try this out haha. Good observation, I can see how this would help in some PvP scenarios.
@sasjur1 Um, you're wrong. Any good DK thats dual weilding in PvP would put a chain on their OH... so you'd still be using only one rune.
@DeFragin right on bro thanks. Ill mess. you the vent info. thanks again
wat is the music u used in the start? plz tell me :D?
obliterate for a huge burst and hitting really hard but NS absorbs their healing taken so its useful against classes that heal or against people being healed alot. and NS also stacks so if you hit them 3 or 4 times with it you will absorb a shit load of healing
@360DeathCoil Sure thing. But I won't be able to today. Got things to do. Tomorrow though I can.
would this be the same for casual pvpers, who use PvE items?
WHAT IS the music in beggining of the video?
@DeFargin addons you use?? looks kinda nice ;D
thanks mate this helped and do you suggest frost or unholy presence?
No obliterate?
Y U NO USE OB????!?!
the reason being frost DW is the proc of the Killing Machine
the reason being TH is Necrotic strike, and what spec is better than unholy for that??
if you have any other question... ;)
@xxxfatalityxxx1995 Why use a chain when you have swordbreaking
@FasterThenRehab And what exactly makes you think that good sir?
I think its a matter of PLaysyle not whats better if you like to blow people up go 2h and dw for constant dmg and kiting of your target.
Could you tell me your addons? And nice vid btw
HOW IS BLOOD RUNES ALL THE TIME DEATH RUNES???
You forget to take into account the need to use rp for healing cc utility. another reason 2 hand is better
I know what you mean. 2s matches that last until time runs out is the worst.
What r the bars on the side
@AAHSKEETSKEETSKEET there top end damage is different by about... .4 dmg... not enough to even make a difference of 500 dps
Necrotic Strike replaces if your using 2H
The only reason to 2h in pvp, is ut get higher critts, thats the only reason. on top of that you use frost precense for higher dmg. thats what pvp is about.
That's all almost entirely wrong. It seems like you crunched the numbers well, but the differences were small and to run a test like that properly you need to test each one multiple times. You should really get the opposite result. You also missed Necrotic Strike. The healing debuff is not modified by weapon dmg, but the ability does 100% MH weapon dmg, meaning 2H gives you more Necrotic dmg for your rune. For those saying 2H may as well go Unholy, you need Frost for RBGs, Ret/DK/Disc, and TSG.
@DeFragin Have you ever been on Skill-capped? Well I asked around and they say you almost never use your frost runes on HB, you save them for KM procs and using OBL, other than that you want to spam Nec/Frost strike. This is coming from 2900 players. I am 2300 myself but I learn a lot from skill-capped and all I know that is bad. :S not trying to put you down, just helping.
Name of ALL the addons please?
Imo it depends on what weapons you have availiable. If you are doing hc DW and can nab 2xhc souldrinkers then go Dw, if you get a hc gurth'lak, go 2h.. Simple really.
Hey Defran its Coil here. Wanted to ask if it were a lil to much for you, to come on vent and help me prep macro's and stuff for pvp? thanks
2h does generate more runic power because of that talent dk do not work like warriors runic power does not generate from hits like rage does, its generated from spells that cost runes so no matter how many attacks you land with dw if your not using runes your not getting RP and frozen waste gives more RP for 2h . . . sorry for poor grammar
Souldrinkers with fallen crusader=win. Loose some res but its worth it, armory: noxheart-chamber of aspects.
Im not full geared or gems or enchants... But pretty good enyways
Thanks man I appreciate the video
are haste or mastery?
Haste !
Gratz if you really care about psyhical damage of Necrotic strike
DW don't generate any additional runic power just because you're wielding two weapons. Test it out, you acquire much more RP with 2H then DW with that talent.
@DeFragin :O! Okay cool, thanks again!
And you want 2h for 2k ratings because of the increase to necrotic strike..
Puts more pressure on healers
I'd suggest obliterate. It does loads of dmg if diseases are on and if u r glyphed. If u r dual wield off hand cannot miss and it always double dmg.
frost dk passive???
@FasterThenRehab The only real time that it is viable to use obliterate is not only when killing machine is procced but also when the enemy is below 35% hp for the damage increase, otherwise use HB for death/frost runes and NS for unholy runes and FS for KM procs and rune dump until the enemy is below 35% otherwise using 2 runes on 1 obliterate and not on 2 HB is a waste.
@Briggz30 Thanks man, I appreciate it. And Enjoy ripping face with your Frost DK.
I used to be on team Dual Wield....then I switched to 2h and never looked back. 2h'rs pack more pew pew in short bursts and that's what you need in pvp.
No, because necrotic strike is actully based on attack power. You might have more AP depending on your weapon. Its just preference, If you play DW properly, you're hardly ever starved of RP. I like DW better.
Might of the frozen wastes is a talent for 2 hand trying to keep up with DW off hand generating runic power ... so no, 2 hand does not generate more runic power.
NS does way more "theoretical damage" in the form of stopping them from being healed.
good video, thank you
Why damn u guys don`t use Obliterate?
im a Frost dk dw. i do 25k dps on dummies and i have 4.7k res, my burst is amazing and i down healers etremely fastt.
he did say that DW has more killing machine procs .. /facepalm actually watch the video before criticizing.
When orc use axes iit wil boost your expertise
only you would get angry over a comment like that and 2hand weapons allways have bigger crits and who studys about wow?
gime that macro that sais one of three things when you use death grip its cool
bigger crit once in 20 years is more effectine that smaller crit every day ? mkay...
its about the stats u got
in dual wield u dont use obli ... in pvp frost strikes and howling takes away armor
so dual wield is better.
dont know why anyone would use 2hand in pvp i think bigger crits are more effective :)
so it basically comes down to preference, and from there nerds can just argue it out in the comments... got it.
This is correct
you are wrong lol. 2h has less sustain. if 2h had more sustain it would be better for pve which its not.
And if you really knew anything about DK's youd know that DK's dont use energy.
My DW spec will butt rape any 2h DK you need to spec into scent of blood and blade barrier.. For 2's i promise it is the best spec for frost.. I never ever run out of energy if im being attacked
@BrianParadise I have a video that shows all my addons just check my channel videos
if you are frost the best choice is DW; and if you want to be TH, change spec to unholy
Mastery.
4.3 im ilevel 392 with 4600 res 2H and pull 19k on dummies. Desertpuunk @ Area 52. Fix ur dps
@AAHSKEETSKEETSKEET You're obviously not a genius either, considering you spelled the word wrong.
might of the frozen waste>DW
Lol, your 2h but using your frost runes on HB, that is such a waste lol.
@rstem123 tidy plates
I've got so much to say about how terrible dual wielding is, but... let's just say that Necrotic Strike, howling blast, and frost strike will always be your main attacks, and howling blast and necrotic strike are not used twice when dual wielding. The only time anyone should be using obliterate is when they are fighting CLOTHIES who have LESS THAN 35% HEALTH LEFT. Keep in mind that Obliterate does physical damage and will therefore be low in damage from the other player's armour. It also uses up
Waste of runes. Obliterate is physical damage, therefor is blocked by armor. And it only generates 30 runic power compared to two howling blast's, which generate 40 runic power. Howling Blast and Frost Strike are magical damage, so therefor it's not affected by a players armor, only resilience.
lol nobody pve's
2 hand is better. More rp generation better burst and more powerful necrotic strike
Dont listen to the dw fanboys its not better more procs of km mean nothing when your rp starved