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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video we drive the 2020 BMW M2 CS press car, and compare it to the M2 Competition and M3 CSL. Three fantastic cars from the M division of BMW, but which one should you buy?
Brought to you by First Point Insurance
M2 CS supplied by @bmwuk
M2 Competition supplied by @motorlogix
Filmed & Edited by @marc_wheelhouse
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That m2 competition in San Marino blue is a thing of beauty.
I agree
That car was not available with that paint. Even as an option. It cost at least 5k to paint the car and it's basically ruined as an aftermarket job. Although it does look beautiful. The carbon hood also cost another 1.5k. Saying 5k of upgrades is a real understatement.
@@Ryem3 You are correct. The San Marino paint is a liquid wrap. I don't believe that it ruins the car in any way. However it does look incredible. In my conclusion I stated that you need to spend £5k on aftermarket products on an M2 Competition to improve the factory car. This included an aftermarket exhaust, lowered suspension, upgraded air filter and an aftermarket steering wheel. I did not say that it needs a wrap. The factory offers lots of good colours.
Guy driving the SMB model sitting 10 yards in back of the wheel, WTF?
$80,000
Man that M2 Competition in SMB looks insane. Topped of with the M Performance parts, just beautiful...
Mark, the CSL is my favourite car of the last 20 years. That noise. 💙
The noise is lovely
@@888mf4 SCD channel recently drove the CSL, and the C63 Black series. Both incredible cars, but the noise the CSL emits is from race cars of old. 💙
@@paullockwood7219 I saw that video. They had a manual version of the CSL. I have owned both cars and the Black Series feels a lot more expensive and special. The CSL is a lot of fun though and buying a high mileage example for £45k would make sense.
Great video!
I do own a manual 2020 M2C and have done a few upgrades.
Carbon fiber (spoiler/diffuser front lip)
Charge pipes, Down pipes and exhaust.
BM3 stage 2.
Tires
This car definitely makes you want to drive it every day and with the increase in power feels completely different!!!
Nice job Richie
Hi Richie, what exhaust did you go with. I have Stage 1 (plenty for me), Also thinking about getting the black Mperformance 763 wheels.
@@4gosselin I have the Akrapovic DPs, AA midpipes, stock axleback painted in black. Sound is amazing plus there are no restrictions on the stock axleback and still conserve the valves.
Also upgraded this past weekend the J Pipe, and throttle response is definitely better with minimal turbo lag.
It's about time someone did this. Glad it was you, Mark! And happy Hanukkah!
Thanks man!
people who like cars and they havent subscribed this channel are living under the stone
Thanks!
You failed to miss the fact the original M2 LCI was the best sounding of the lot and the purest of the M2 range, also no significant loss of performance again the comp or CS and better value for money!!
Great Reivew. M2 CS is a great little machine but as a CSL owner, my heart goes for Naturally aspirated all the time ;)
Thanks. My favourite of the three was the M3 CSL as well.
It gives me anxiety seeing cars parked that close together. Great video and thanks for the review, @888MF!
haha!! We wanted the all three cars to feature in the concluding comments. Thanks for the positive feedback CP.
Right! Some mean person…
M2 Comp is the best BMW in terms of Value and Driving 👌🏼
Agreed!
My 2020 M340i would beg the differ 😃
Fletchy had a 40i and can tell you no where near the M2 competition
The upgrades on the M2c really help make the car feel , look and sound a lot more special !
They do indeed
M2CS vs M2Competition trying to be a CS
My favorite of the 3 is the M2 Competition. It's the only new BMW product I like right now.
It is great value now !
Same. I’m looking at the M2C
For me, the suspension upgrade in the M2 CS wouldn’t matter, because no matter whatever version of M2 I would get, the suspension would immediately be swapped out for Ohlin’s coilovers. So the M2 CS, for me, is just not worth it.
763M wheels
Cup 2 Tires
CF front splitter
CF rear diffuser
CF side winglets
CF mirrors
CF roof
CF CS hood
If you have a stock M2C and add all of the above, you'd probably get up there in cost pretty quickly and you still wouldn't have all the alcantara interior trim, the adaptive suspension, the extra 40HP, or the "rareness" or slower depreciation of the CS.
So if you're someone who actually likes all the extra carbon bits and mods, the CS is probably good value. If you are content with a stock M2C and don't care for all the other bells and whistles then M2C is the value play by a mile. Really depends.
The biggest differences between the M2 Competition and the M2 CS are the adaptive suspension and carbon roof. Neither of which you can option on the M2 Competition. However, neither of these transform the car. I know a few people who picked up nearly new M2 Competition cars from BMW main dealers for £40,000 so they've done very well. The M2 CS is too new to know what residuals will do. There are three for sale in the UK on Pistonheads from £79,950. Let's see where these are trading in a year. Both are good cars as I stated in my review, but I would buy an M3 CSL over both. We will be publishing a review of the new M4 very soon!
Nice ! Love the m2c myself (as I own one )
Thanks
That CSL is all the car I want/need
Me too!!
FYI its "coupe sport lightweight" club sport is a VW group reference 😊
coupe sport leicht
@@888mf4 leichtbau :p
Keine Haarspalterei betreiben bitte! 😉
@@GabrielBourke Das leben steckt im detail 😘🤪.
That m2c look sick!!
Agreed
I think I'd change my M4 for an M2c.
Such a good looking car. Love the look of M4 too, but the M2c is smaller (perfect size imo) and the same great engine.
That parking at 13:17 reminds me of the time I took the CSL on the school run... the mums all park like that - bumper-to-bumper then no other cars ANYWHERE in sight.
I reckon the M2 CS will command a higher re-sale value over time due to the fact that it’s limited in numbers.
yes maybe 10k , then again , you can buy a competition for 30k less
Not at all Jagayong. The F80 M3/M4 CS depreciated a lot because they were overpriced marketing specials. The M2 CS is the same - it's just a Competition with an M4 Competition engine retune and adaptive dampers that make it as heavy as the M2 Competition unless you specify the carbon ceramic brakes.
Really nice comparison. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback Bernard
Great video... always love seeing the e46 csl ... best m3 of all time imo
I agree
Never had the chance to drive the CSL, as my father sold it before I was 18... well done dad, now its collector...
Agree with you Mark, I’d get the comp and upgrade
Thanks mate
M3 CSL prices set to soar.
They have already gone up quite a lot.
Now this is great content, definitely got a new subscriber
Thanks!
Awesome content!!! Love the M2 stuff
Thanks Duncan
the dark blue on the M2 comp.. holy moly!!
Great video Mark, enjoyed this one.
Thanks JK
Thanks Mark.. Cool vid! What I'd give to drive those!! 😍
Thanks ! The original M2 is £32000 now so within reach
CS is the Best!!! Competition value will drop like any other run of the mill car.
Will be interesting to see what happens to residuals. The M2 Competition is very good value at £40k in my opinion.
The M2 CS is a joke or marketing special. It will depreciate as much and as hard as the F80 M3/M4 CS. Overpriced.
I had a new f80 m3 with a full remus exhaust with carbon tips and a Litchfield tune, car sounded amazing
Seems like Remus is a good option
@@888mf4 I was going to get the akrapovic initially but another guy had an m4 with the akrapovic and the remus sounded better and half the price but akrapovic is a lot lighter though being titanium
Fantastic video and great honest review...😎 For some reason I now want a CS to replace my modded comp lol
Thanks! They have sold out so you can't buy one !
Awesome Video , keep up the good work ✅
Thanks
I’ve got a 2018 M2C completely stock. Love the car, but it’s almost too fast for Australian roads in my experience.
Hoping it’s a collector’s item in the future 😎
Excellent!
A fair summary I reckon. M2 Competition with trick dampers and some chassis set up work would dynamically take it to the CS. The CS extra power won’t be noticed on the road. The CSL noise is one of the great soundtracks.
Thanks. The biggest difference is the brakes. The carbon ceramics on the M2 CS are wonderful. Far superior to the standard steel brakes on the Competition.
My three favourite 'achievable' dream cars.
I Love the Competition with M Performance Parts
That's the way to go
Agreed although need to be clever about what parts you opt for. Too many people fall into the trap of adding the carbon diffusers, side skirts, rear lip spoiler which do nothing for performance and will quickly put you into M2CS money territory.
San Marino is the BMW blue of choice! Cor blimey its delightful!
Love video and cars!!!🔥🔥🔥 i would like the same carbon hood as your m2c. where did you get it?
His instagram is @motorlogix
Traded my Porsche Caymen S for a M2C and have NOT looked back for a second. Both amazing cars of course but the BMW is so much fun and so enjoyable - which to take on a 4 hr drive to the mountains of coast - hands down the M2C.
M2CS❤️
This channel is definitely underrated
This channel is so underrated! People say my channel is underrated too but one day I’ll get there! 🤞
Your fellow TH-camrs, TheCarKids
The sound from the e46 M3 is just sooo sweet!! My personal favourite together with the V10 of the M5 e60 and the M6 of that same generation.
nice video! I can't believe your prices, last month I payed 58.000 u$ for a brand new m240i 2021 here in Argentina, oh and here we don't have m2 competition or CS :(
Love the understated classic look ot the CSL
What are your thoughts on the M2 comp vs the M4?
Depends which M4 model
@@888mf4 I'm looking at the 2014 F82. Maybe comp if I could stretch to it. I've never had an auto but seems tricky to find a manual. I'm mostly concerned about the M4 feeling too big and wide on UK country roads where I like to have fun. I quite like a car to feel nimble and not feel like i'm going to clip a car going the other way or a hedge. Maybe they feel a similar width and size though - dimensions spec wise the difference seems negligible.
@@MadelnMachines You will notice a difference - not necessarily because they are that wider than an M2 but because it feels a bigger car so psychologically you are thinking about it when going down narrow lanes.
I wish you would have a manual transmission car in this video.😁
You say the CS is better than "the standard M2 Competition" but you didn't compare the CS against the standard car M2 Comp. The extra 40 hp that the CS has in addition to it being at least a passenger's weight lighter is a lot of extra power... but your M2 Comp test car with a performance exhaust and airbox mod probably has an extra 25-40 hp, maybe more. So of course it doesn't feel like the CS has much more performance than a modified Comp. The same mods to the CS can push it's output to around 500hp and you'd definitely notice that! You're also neglecting to take into account the huge difference in unsprung weight. The CS has considerably lighter wheels plus 55lbs less in lighter brakes that also stop the car faster. The suspension can react much more quickly with that reduction in unsprung weight. Those changes also yield a big reduction in rotating mass making for quicker acceleration and deceleration. A much lighter carbon roof and carbon hood lower the center of gravity further improving acceleration and handling. And the vents in the hood reduce up-force from air pressure buildup under the unvented bonnet (for you Englishmen) as well as bleeding off heat that is destructive to turbo charged engines.
I have an M2 Comp and it’s quite surprising how mainly, only true enthusiasts know about these cars in Australia. The BMWs, AMGs, Porsche are works of engineering art full stop therefore and unfortunately, very expensive at $126,000 on the road for my M2 Comp including government taxes and options.
I want a M2 CS with the CSL engine and a manual.
I want BMW to make an M2 CSL
Give me the M2 comp 🔥 that car is soooo 🔥
I think the original M2 looked the best. It looked like a special project car and had the right amount of bits to stand out. In the years since, they have added little visual tweaks, different mirrors, grill and such but the original model still stands out.
I am considering buying an original M2 to find out just how good it is.....
@@888mf4 recommend the 2018 M2 LCI...with executive package
The only car I should've kept is the M3CSL, had a black 1, it was mega. However the M2 Comp looks wicked, Just wondered if it had front end lift as it looks like it'll catch the dreaded Speed Humps nowadays.
How does the M2cs compare to the Porsche gt4 since they cost close to the same?
I would need to drive a manual M2 CS to give you my opinion. However they are very different cars. The Porsche is a two seater so probably appeals more as a second car. The M2 CS is more practical as it has 4 seats and a decent boot.
M2/M3 seem to cost too much for what you get. Standard M2 comp is very capable and can easily be modded for a few £K
I totally agree. The M2 Comp is a great car with a few mods
A nice comparison. Imagine an M3 CSL with a manual gearbox.
A few people have done that conversion.
The SMG II in the CSL is highly capable, it just takes time to learn its characteristics and exploit the gearbox to its full potential. The analogue thump in the back it gives you when the gearbox is in its most aggressive setting just can't be replicated by the DCT/DSGs of today, as Mark will probably attest having also owned and lived with one. I'm on my second CSL, absolutely love them.
On the San Marino paint on the M2 Comp, that was changed by the Owner rather than some one of a kind “Individual” option through BMW????
It's a wrap
Some cheap M2Cs in white near me. Tempting to buy and re paint in that blue. Looks AMAZING. what is the colour?
Watch to the end Paul. San Marino blue
It's a wrap
Hi, what front lip is that on the M2 Competition ?
Cheers.
Awesome video anyone know the intro song??
How is the steering on the M2 competition? Which of these is the best daily driver? Cheers
The M2 Comp is the best value for money. The steering in the M3 CSL is so direct though compared to the M2.
You can buy the first M2 edition for 35k€ in Germany, buy/install performance parts for 10k€ or 15k€, and make a magnificent car under 50k€.. what do u think guys??
Also a good option.
Good Luck replacing the gearbox actuactors when they fail
Need the 6mt on the M2CS
I'll try and get my hands on a manual version as soon as possible
No. The M2CS is worth it.
Hi bud! Can you plz tell me the name of the music that hits in the beginning of the video? Thanx in advance 👌🙏
It's from Epidemic Sound. Not sure of the track.
Bmw didn't wanna put recaro seats in the CS because they want a all round car if u put recaro seats in there won't be comfortable in long drives not everyone buys the car for track use
The lightweight recaro seats on the CSL are very comfortable.
@@888mf4 I didn't think that they would be that comfortable on long trips
@@mushy1983123 rubbish. It's cost cutting. The base of the seat is from the Competition. The wheels too are recycled.
Mark, How does the CS compare to the Cayman GTS 4.0 ??
I have no idea Mark as I haven't tried one. However I don't think you can compare a front engined, four seater to a sports car. The M2 CS is a great car but it is still a sports coupe.
The claim the M2 CS have sold out is not true worldwide. Two reasons: 1) the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 and GT4 made some people cancel their CS orders; 2) the pandemic. M2 CS peoduction is happening and there are cars available. Dealers are buying unallocated ones to claim fully sold and then sell at max price.
765 LT 🆚 911 Turbo S Drag Race 🏁
I will try my best
..it also has a carbon fiber hood...bonnet 😎
... which is useless... the M2 CS Racing has the standard Competition hood without carbon or vent
The CS looks like a rally car with all that wheel gap
A simple drop.
What wheel gap? Are you mad?😂
Every stock car from the factory must have atleast a tiniest gap there so that dampers can more effectively apsporb uneven surfaces. M2 comp in this video isn't stock obviously, it was lowered which is fucking pointless.
E46 CSL is the best BMW. Even the E46 325 SMG is a fun Car. What about the Xmas Special.
I agree. I love the CSL. The weather was not good enough to film the XMAS special so we will do something in January. Happy New Year Morten.
the gts hood looks much better then the cs hood
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Which is quicker svj or pista in drag?
Pista but not by much
@@888mf4 So, pista is quicker than svj,perfomante, 812 superfast both on the track and on the straight.
Isn't it?
Wow what wheels are on that m2comp?
You will need to ask the owner. You can find him on Instagram @motorlogix
If I'm not mistaken, they look like the OEM M Performance 763M wheels.
@@m2comp369 I messaged the guy a while back, they were some obscure uk brand
nice
looks like a great subaru!
‘However’
🔥🔥
So buy a M2 comp and spend £17k on some hardcore upgrades . Perfect motor…. Still save money over CS price.
Only problem with M2; Corvette at less cost.
Am I mistaken or did they show 18 prices not 19 or 20 I see them like 50k + not 40
In the UK you can buy an M2 Competition for £40k. Go look at www.pistonheads.com
I own a M2 og and I’m surprised that you didn’t find that car fun to drive.
It depends what modifications you add to that car.
888MF My engine is stock I just have brembo F8x kit , kw variant 3 suspension and valvetronic exhaust. The car is so fun to drive both on track and on the street.
Bmw 1m is the best
I haven't had an opportunity to drive one yet. Is it as exciting as the M3 CSL?
@@888mf4 if you drive one you will definitely want to buy one 😉
said no one ever. whats so special about it? the vacuum cleaner exhaust sound?
Buen video. Me gustan las diferencias de un modelo a otro... pero en precio ya no se si vale la pena el caro o no. Igualmente prefiero Porsche
Yo prefiero la Porsche también
Taken a little out of context, as the price of the modifications as seen on that Competition is much higher than he mentions. Easily in CS territory!
I mentioned the upgrades to the M2 Comp take the price to around £60k. The M2 CS costs £85k with the ceramic brakes, DCT gearbox and a couple of other options. However a used M2 Comp is now available at £40k so with some mods will set you back £45k.
Is that a SM blue wrap?
Yes
There should be a 1M between the csl and m2 comp. Be no m2 if not for that one.
Getting three cars together to film was hard enough Shawn. In addition the 1M has a manual box whilst the other three we tested have SMG or DCT. So it was a better comparison.
@@888mf4 cheers man. It was a great video, thanks for sharing it. Just given a hard time cause no mention of 1m when talking about m2 ;) csl, 1m, m2cs are near perfect cars imo.
drag race ????? come on
This is exactly what we all want to see 😃👌🏻
@@bootneck401664 👍✌
Skipped, found out there wasn’t one. Exited.
@@bambychoi9366 You missed a great comparative review then🤦♂️. These cars are not straight line machines and a dragrace would have been a foregone conclusion (so not really required). The results would have been 1. M2CS 2. M2C 3. CSL. Hence a more subjective test as figures don’t give the full picture of the way they make you feel driving them😛.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video and it was nice to see you being conflicted in how to judge them, as it showed they all had great positive sides. Obviously we all know the silver car was the best though🤪😜👌.
Well the m3 csl shits on those 2 cars back and forth. No competetion. Csl is more special in every possible waY
Those were my final thoughts, albeit put more eloquently :)
German Cars 🥰
i think u said the cs costs 85k but the title says 75k
The list price is £75k. If you want ceramic brakes and the DCT gearbox it is closer to £85k
@@888mf4 thanks, good to know
Imagine M2 Gts lol
Imagine an M2 CSL