The split clip demonstrating the riding position on both bikes at the same time was brilliant and something alot of other bike reviews do not show. Thank you!
You have to bear in mind that as an air-cooled bike trying to achieve Euro emission standards the V85TT is extremely restricted especially in the entire exhaust system, not just the CAT because there are also extra CAT's also in each down pipe. Replace that with an unrestricted Arrow collector and unrestricted Can, then cut a hole in the air-box lid which is chocked down to a tiny inlet slot, remap it and I am extremely confident it will produce at lease 90BHP. I have heard claims of over 100 BHP but that is a bit optimistic in my view but 90 BHP is well within reach.
I did this with my 2021 Centenario including Upmap ecu flash. The difference was immense, like a new engine. At first I had wished for more power for overtakes, not any more. Feels way more alive, response amazing and also runs much cooler. I did all the upgrades recommended on the guzzitech forum, v85tt e5 performance thread. With new lithium battery and gtm exhaust, the bike is 40 pounds lighter. It's the ultimate all rounder bike.
I test rode a V100 Mandello yesterday. I must say that it's perhaps THE most enjoyable bike that I have ridden for more than a decade. I was absolutely impressed.
Planning on getting the V85tt in a few months, now the v100 is out fairly sure there will be some good offers when dealers want to shift bikes at the end of the year.
I just bought the standard V100 in red last week. It is an awesome machine (and my dealer was including the panniers for free!). I'm in a fortunate position to be able to afford it, but I'm sure I would be just as happy with the V85TT if my budget was smaller. Both are excellent machines.
Can’t say it’s a budget decision for me. I have a v85 22 and a v7 850 21. I’m not even interested in a v100. I love the air cooled motors, although euro5 is a bit of a bore, but upmap will sort that out. And I’m just not interested in a bike that feels better at illegal speeds. In aus there are too many cameras and copes patrolling road rules.
I own both these bikes (the V100S only for a week now but absolutely loving it) and I would say (1) the use case for each bike covers different enough purpose that having both can make sense, except to the wallet ouch. (2) The V85TT is a better machine to load up with "big" touring stuff like camping gear etc and if you're camping the light off road makes sense. (3) I lay the V100S rear seat on top of the V85TT and I think the V100S is ever so slightly bigger, but I'm not sure how that feels sitting on them. The V100S rear is definitely higher compared to the front. (4) The V100S' urge to GO and amazing brakes are really, really significant. The V100 Stelvio may change all that...
Love my v85tt 🥰 comfortable, very well balanced and a joy to ride. I dont need more power as its just fine for me, but the low speed fueling is bad, jerky under 2k rpm if you try too high a gear, but i can live with it as the bike overall is a joy 👍
These are completely different machines with different price points so "better" is completely subjective and based on the user's preference. I just bought that same V85TT and I'm really loving it. My buddy bought the V100 S and he loves that for different reasons. I chose the V85TT because I like doing off-roading and it was in budget. Here in the States, the V100 S is about $4k more than the V85TT. Cheers!
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt. Enjoy your new bike! It’s a lovely machine!
@@podunkman2709 After I bought my V85TT I did an adventure riding course (on my DR650 as the coaches suggested) and the bikes brought in by 'students' ranged from a DRZ400 through to 1250GSA'a and much in between. What's the definition of "Adventure"? But the V85TT is smack bang in the middle of adventure bikes these days. I think Moto Guzzi have succeeded in making bikes that cover multiple genres, or perhaps create new genres.
@@droommotor Brakes are betteron v100 because it's strictly a road bike. You can't have very powerful brakes on an on/off bike, you'll be in trouble when you hit the dirt.
I have the V85 TT also. No true off-roading for me, but I do like ripping down gravel roads and the ability to stand up comfortably makes all the difference to me. It's such a simple bike to work on as well.
V85 is the better choice for me. Riding a California 1100 fuel injected right now. Wonderful machine. Air-cooled simplicity is a wonderful thing. All some of the commanding riding position of the V85. It has plenty of power that you will use more of. Much better all arounder.
It all depends on what you like. I'm thrilled with the smoothly balanced riding experience with my V85 travel. I've had MUCH more power and one finger retina detaching brakes. It was exciting at first but overall more tiring and less fun on long rides. My V85 is the most enjoyable bike I've ever owned. Engineer brother tried the new Stelvio and he much prefers the refinement of his V85. And if you habitually ride in remote areas where there are no services like we do; the 23 L tank is a big deal.
Thanks DM for the video, I'm considering the V100 and love that spec you have right there. I would like to see more video's where people ride this quick as so far the launch video's were a little tame due to the weather understandably.
Thanks for your reply David!! I’m planning a week in the German Eifel to properly test this bike out. Problem until now is that I’m restricted the first 1500km due to break in. So need to take it easy. But I think It handles very good when riding quick.
@@droommotor I can confirm that. The first time I really "gave it the beans" from a standing start I quick-shifted to second gear and the front wheel came off the ground! Also trying to keep the revs under 5k for the first while though.
If you want to see some fast riding in an urban setting check out the Mandello ride video on the "MotoRaw" channel. Some crazy riding through a Greek city.
Great video. The pricing between the two is huge in my area of California. I am seeing new V85TT’s base prices as low as $11k U.S.. The lowest base price for a new V100 S I see is $17.5k. So, they aren’t really comparable in performance or price and the price variance supports that. The good news is that there are many of both bikes available for immediate purchase in my area. Will definitely be getting the V100S at some point but will likely buy used to save money.
@@droommotor jajaja just joking. Sure the extra power and esthetic has something to say in the election. Waiting to see an scrambler in the V7 chasis for the taller people. Will be fantastic to travel in summer and city commuting.
Nice job. I do not get why people make this kind of comparison though. Two different type of Bikes??? Further; brakes on v85 are brembo front and rear AND wind screen is adjustable. Not to be snarky but read the specs. Full disclosure I own a Guardia as pictured. Thanks for allowing input.
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt. This particular one had J.Juan Brakes not sure why. You are right about the windscreen! I meant that the windscreen was adjustable on the fly and without tools! That’s a huge difference imho But thanks anyway! Appreciatie every comment! Enjoy your beautiful bike!
For me it was just 2 different bikes that you share the specs. Comparing a road bike and a dual sport is senseless in my opinion it like comparing a dump truck to a mini Cooper. People that look at the v85 like myself are looking at the super tenere,tiger 1200, BMW all the shaft drives out there. In the USA price wise and dealer support the super tenere is the proven choice. I guess I am trying to convince myself to go buy one. Still I enjoyed the video.
The TT in V85 TT stands for Tutto Terreno. Any terrain. I don't have to explain what Travel stands for. It is therefore a rather obvious conclusion that the Moto Guzzi V 85 TT Travel is a more travel-oriented version than the V100. I can asure you that the V85TT is powerful enough for its duty. I don't need extra power. The V85 engine has a great flat torque curve which makes it great to drive. But the V100 is a beautiful machine too, but is absolutely not suitable for off-road driving
Completely agree! But I know for a fact that 90 procent of people don’t use the bike for travel or off-road and they just want a comfortable bike. That’s why I did a comparison. Next year the Stelvio vs V100
Honestly it really depends on your needs but I find the new mondello hard to understand. It triest to be something between a sport and a tourer bike, but its nothing at the same time. I guess it is for those that like a one day trip kinda thing. The V85tt is a true tourer and its got plenty of power. Where I could see it struggle is if you are a bit overweight. For me at 70kg this bike flies! So much torque and it gets up and goes I can keep with most anyone and rarely have the guts to max it out. I like the sound it makes too. The only downside I have is the front face of the bike which is not fotogenic at all. From a side angle though is the best looking tourer imho.
Good question. I have yet to test it. But my money is if you are going only onroad and want something to be very comfortable the Stelvio. If you do a little gravel and want something simple the V85TT
I am sure you are right in your comparing the two models, the V100 is a smooth modern bike, the v85 is the last traditional air coled moto Guzzi old concept with all the rumble and soul (quirkiness) that comes with it. But that is exactly why people like me are buying the V85. So far 20.000km trouble free on my 2020 euro 4 V85. Only worry I have is the weak dealer net🤔, it means that I as a 100% biker always will have a red Japanese bike next to it as my "workhorse" 👍😊
My V100 is a lot of fun and the brakes are awesome. I braked hard n fast to avoid a deer that the 4 way hazard lights flashed. I didn't feel the ABS working and no skidding, I just stopped!
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt.
@@droommotor Judging from the comments on my main channel (WingsGeo) pretty much all the people that commented traded their V85 for the V100, myself included. Price difference is not as much as you make it out to be but bottom line, for ADV / off road their are much better bikes than the V85 and for everything else, the V100 is lightyears ahead.
How come you have gold wheels? Every bike of this colour I've seen in production now comes with black rims. Which is the opposite of the prototype which had gold rims like yours.
Looks like you have added the comfort seats to your V100 - stock height? I got the higher version and tried the heated feature out for the first time today. It will turn your backside into a rump roast on the highest heat setting! 🥵
If we going to use 'both comfort seats' as similarities, well then there's a lot to compare. My ipion: these are both Moto-guzzi's and have both a V-twin engine and both are shaft driven. That's it. Mandello is a sportive tourer the V85TT is supposed to be an adventure bike. So the concepts are totally different and there for it makes no sense comparing them. No offence.
I think it does, especially at the time of uploading these were the only choices if you want a touring bike from Moto Guzzi. Now you have more options. V85TT is more a touring bike than a ADV bike if i'm honest.
@@droommotor What about the Griso? Still a different fruit, but closer to a Mandello then the V85tt. Also totally different engines. You can defend your cause, but if we going to compare like this, we can compare anything. Mandello is not an adventure bike. V85tt is not a tourer. You can have your opinion on that, but it ain't the fact. Compare V85 with the Stelvio: find the differences, as they are.
The split clip demonstrating the riding position on both bikes at the same time was brilliant and something alot of other bike reviews do not show. Thank you!
@@stevengager3501 thanks for this Nice feedback! Appreciate this!
Both great bikes. I own a V85TT and since I do some gravel roads, I love the ruggedness of the V85TT. It just feels so durable.
I can imagine. It’s a solid bike!
You have to bear in mind that as an air-cooled bike trying to achieve Euro emission standards the V85TT is extremely restricted especially in the entire exhaust system, not just the CAT because there are also extra CAT's also in each down pipe. Replace that with an unrestricted Arrow collector and unrestricted Can, then cut a hole in the air-box lid which is chocked down to a tiny inlet slot, remap it and I am extremely confident it will produce at lease 90BHP. I have heard claims of over 100 BHP but that is a bit optimistic in my view but 90 BHP is well within reach.
Sounds like an awesome upgrade!
@@Terrabill-md8tf I also have the V85 TT and I'm planning on replacing the exhaust. How did you get the headers and y pipe for only $300??
@@Terrabill-md8tf Thanks!
I did this with my 2021 Centenario including Upmap ecu flash. The difference was immense, like a new engine. At first I had wished for more power for overtakes, not any more. Feels way more alive, response amazing and also runs much cooler. I did all the upgrades recommended on the guzzitech forum, v85tt e5 performance thread. With new lithium battery and gtm exhaust, the bike is 40 pounds lighter. It's the ultimate all rounder bike.
I test rode a V100 Mandello yesterday. I must say that it's perhaps THE most enjoyable bike that I have ridden for more than a decade. I was absolutely impressed.
Can’t agree more!
...so was I and the reason I purchased one (red)😁
I might consider the V100 Stelvio when it comes out,but for now,I wouldn't trade my V85TT for any other bike.👍
I can understand! What makes the V85TT special for you?
@@droommotor
Comfort,great handling,adequate power for me,fun to ride,and reasonably light.(i weight,and price.)
Planning on getting the V85tt in a few months, now the v100 is out fairly sure there will be some good offers when dealers want to shift bikes at the end of the year.
I think some demos will be up for sale at the end of the year! So that will give some bargains
And as the V100 Stelvio is due next year, that may push dealers to reduce the V85TT even more. Hope you find a bargain.
I just bought the standard V100 in red last week. It is an awesome machine (and my dealer was including the panniers for free!). I'm in a fortunate position to be able to afford it, but I'm sure I would be just as happy with the V85TT if my budget was smaller. Both are excellent machines.
I agree!!
Can’t say it’s a budget decision for me. I have a v85 22 and a v7 850 21. I’m not even interested in a v100. I love the air cooled motors, although euro5 is a bit of a bore, but upmap will sort that out. And I’m just not interested in a bike that feels better at illegal speeds. In aus there are too many cameras and copes patrolling road rules.
I own both these bikes (the V100S only for a week now but absolutely loving it) and I would say (1) the use case for each bike covers different enough purpose that having both can make sense, except to the wallet ouch. (2) The V85TT is a better machine to load up with "big" touring stuff like camping gear etc and if you're camping the light off road makes sense. (3) I lay the V100S rear seat on top of the V85TT and I think the V100S is ever so slightly bigger, but I'm not sure how that feels sitting on them. The V100S rear is definitely higher compared to the front. (4) The V100S' urge to GO and amazing brakes are really, really significant. The V100 Stelvio may change all that...
Thanks for your reply! I agree with you! The Stelvio will make even more sense to replace both!
A man after my own heart weigh both bikes! Must either be single or a great wifey!
@@stevenross9042 Great wifey, that's what she tells me. Haha, not she doesn't say that, but indeed she is :)
Love my v85tt 🥰 comfortable, very well balanced and a joy to ride. I dont need more power as its just fine for me, but the low speed fueling is bad, jerky under 2k rpm if you try too high a gear, but i can live with it as the bike overall is a joy 👍
Thanks for your comment! You can consider giving it a tune. Could help with the jerkiness!
These are completely different machines with different price points so "better" is completely subjective and based on the user's preference. I just bought that same V85TT and I'm really loving it. My buddy bought the V100 S and he loves that for different reasons. I chose the V85TT because I like doing off-roading and it was in budget. Here in the States, the V100 S is about $4k more than the V85TT. Cheers!
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt. Enjoy your new bike! It’s a lovely machine!
In some way they are similar. V85 is NOT any "adventure" bike but touring/commuting. The other is also not a sport bike.
@@podunkman2709 After I bought my V85TT I did an adventure riding course (on my DR650 as the coaches suggested) and the bikes brought in by 'students' ranged from a DRZ400 through to 1250GSA'a and much in between. What's the definition of "Adventure"? But the V85TT is smack bang in the middle of adventure bikes these days. I think Moto Guzzi have succeeded in making bikes that cover multiple genres, or perhaps create new genres.
@@droommotor
Brakes are betteron v100 because it's strictly a road bike.
You can't have very powerful brakes on an on/off bike, you'll be in trouble when you hit the dirt.
I have the V85 TT also. No true off-roading for me, but I do like ripping down gravel roads and the ability to stand up comfortably makes all the difference to me. It's such a simple bike to work on as well.
V85 is the better choice for me. Riding a California 1100 fuel injected right now. Wonderful machine. Air-cooled simplicity is a wonderful thing. All some of the commanding riding position of the V85. It has plenty of power that you will use more of. Much better all arounder.
I agree! I can imagine the switch!
It all depends on what you like. I'm thrilled with the smoothly balanced riding experience with my V85 travel. I've had MUCH more power and one finger retina detaching brakes. It was exciting at first but overall more tiring and less fun on long rides. My V85 is the most enjoyable bike I've ever owned. Engineer brother tried the new Stelvio and he much prefers the refinement of his V85. And if you habitually ride in remote areas where there are no services like we do; the 23 L tank is a big deal.
Thanks DM for the video, I'm considering the V100 and love that spec you have right there. I would like to see more video's where people ride this quick as so far the launch video's were a little tame due to the weather understandably.
Thanks for your reply David!! I’m planning a week in the German Eifel to properly test this bike out. Problem until now is that I’m restricted the first 1500km due to break in. So need to take it easy. But I think It handles very good when riding quick.
@@droommotor I can confirm that. The first time I really "gave it the beans" from a standing start I quick-shifted to second gear and the front wheel came off the ground! Also trying to keep the revs under 5k for the first while though.
If you want to see some fast riding in an urban setting check out the Mandello ride video on the "MotoRaw" channel. Some crazy riding through a Greek city.
Great video. The pricing between the two is huge in my area of California. I am seeing new V85TT’s base prices as low as $11k U.S.. The lowest base price for a new V100 S I see is $17.5k. So, they aren’t really comparable in performance or price and the price variance supports that. The good news is that there are many of both bikes available for immediate purchase in my area. Will definitely be getting the V100S at some point but will likely buy used to save money.
I agree! But I can imagine that a lot of people compare the v85tt and the v100 or considering trading their v85tt for it
V100 for poshy weekenders vs V85TT for elegant adventure bikers
I agree ahha!
@@droommotor jajaja just joking. Sure the extra power and esthetic has something to say in the election.
Waiting to see an scrambler in the V7 chasis for the taller people. Will be fantastic to travel in summer and city commuting.
Nice job. I do not get why people make this kind of comparison though. Two different type of Bikes??? Further; brakes on v85 are brembo front and rear AND wind screen is adjustable. Not to be snarky but read the specs. Full disclosure I own a Guardia as pictured. Thanks for allowing input.
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt.
This particular one had J.Juan Brakes not sure why.
You are right about the windscreen! I meant that the windscreen was adjustable on the fly and without tools! That’s a huge difference imho
But thanks anyway! Appreciatie every comment! Enjoy your beautiful bike!
V85 has Brembo calipers, the master cylinders are not brembo
For me it was just 2 different bikes that you share the specs. Comparing a road bike and a dual sport is senseless in my opinion it like comparing a dump truck to a mini Cooper. People that look at the v85 like myself are looking at the super tenere,tiger 1200, BMW all the shaft drives out there. In the USA price wise and dealer support the super tenere is the proven choice. I guess I am trying to convince myself to go buy one. Still I enjoyed the video.
Waiting on the V100 Stelvio....its looking like the perfect bike between these two.
I think it will be indeed
The TT in V85 TT stands for Tutto Terreno. Any terrain. I don't have to explain what Travel stands for. It is therefore a rather obvious conclusion that the Moto Guzzi V 85 TT Travel is a more travel-oriented version than the V100.
I can asure you that the V85TT is powerful enough for its duty. I don't need extra power. The V85 engine has a great flat torque curve which makes it great to drive.
But the V100 is a beautiful machine too, but is absolutely not suitable for off-road driving
Completely agree! But I know for a fact that 90 procent of people don’t use the bike for travel or off-road and they just want a comfortable bike. That’s why I did a comparison. Next year the Stelvio vs V100
Howmuch does it hurt when you hit that cylinder head with your knee?
If you hit it. Depends on your motorcycle gear. But I have never hit it.
Honestly it really depends on your needs but I find the new mondello hard to understand. It triest to be something between a sport and a tourer bike, but its nothing at the same time. I guess it is for those that like a one day trip kinda thing. The V85tt is a true tourer and its got plenty of power. Where I could see it struggle is if you are a bit overweight. For me at 70kg this bike flies! So much torque and it gets up and goes I can keep with most anyone and rarely have the guts to max it out. I like the sound it makes too. The only downside I have is the front face of the bike which is not fotogenic at all. From a side angle though is the best looking tourer imho.
I agree! Its a weird bike. But thats why I like them (all guzzis btw)
Good comparision, although the compromise would be the standard V100 which is significantly cheaper, approx. 17000€ id you can’t afford the S-version.
Thanks for your reply! That’s what I’m doing when I’m talking about the price.
Which is better the V85TT or the new Stelvio?
Good question. I have yet to test it. But my money is if you are going only onroad and want something to be very comfortable the Stelvio. If you do a little gravel and want something simple the V85TT
I am sure you are right in your comparing the two models, the V100 is a smooth modern bike, the v85 is the last traditional air coled moto Guzzi old concept with all the rumble and soul (quirkiness) that comes with it. But that is exactly why people like me are buying the V85. So far 20.000km trouble free on my 2020 euro 4 V85. Only worry I have is the weak dealer net🤔, it means that I as a 100% biker always will have a red Japanese bike next to it as my "workhorse" 👍😊
I can completely understand. But I think the V85TT is really reliable! Thanks for your reply!
My V100 is a lot of fun and the brakes are awesome. I braked hard n fast to avoid a deer that the 4 way hazard lights flashed. I didn't feel the ABS working and no skidding, I just stopped!
Awesome to hear! Gives my confidence!
You are trying to compare last gen to next gen, that new motor in the V100 is worlds apart from the old 850, not really a good comparison.
Thanks for your reply! My wild guess is that many people will use the V85TT the same as they would the V100. That’s why I did my (personal) comparison. The price is very different but you can very objectively compare brakes for example. And they are just better. But none the less. Both very capable bikes! But they can definitely be compared. I’m sure a lot of people are in doubt which one to buy or trade in their V85Tt.
@@droommotor Judging from the comments on my main channel (WingsGeo) pretty much all the people that commented traded their V85 for the V100, myself included. Price difference is not as much as you make it out to be but bottom line, for ADV / off road their are much better bikes than the V85 and for everything else, the V100 is lightyears ahead.
How come you have gold wheels?
Every bike of this colour I've seen in production now comes with black rims.
Which is the opposite of the prototype which had gold rims like yours.
I have asked my dealer to do the swap!
@@droommotor
Not from the factory then?
Anyway that's the way it should be, great look
Just wait for the Stelvio that is coming soon.
Yeah very interested in that bike!
"You get a SIDE STAND" in Guardia D'onore version? So you're telling me, that in the cheaper version there is no side stand? 😛
I think a meant center stand 😂
Looks like you have added the comfort seats to your V100 - stock height? I got the higher version and tried the heated feature out for the first time today. It will turn your backside into a rump roast on the highest heat setting! 🥵
You are correct! Like it very much. I also have the higher version
What height are you? I'm 6'2 and trying to decide if I should go for the high seat option
You really love a v85tt
Who wouldn’t right!
If we going to use 'both comfort seats' as similarities, well then there's a lot to compare. My ipion: these are both Moto-guzzi's and have both a V-twin engine and both are shaft driven. That's it.
Mandello is a sportive tourer the V85TT is supposed to be an adventure bike. So the concepts are totally different and there for it makes no sense comparing them. No offence.
I think it does, especially at the time of uploading these were the only choices if you want a touring bike from Moto Guzzi. Now you have more options. V85TT is more a touring bike than a ADV bike if i'm honest.
@@droommotor What about the Griso? Still a different fruit, but closer to a Mandello then the V85tt. Also totally different engines. You can defend your cause, but if we going to compare like this, we can compare anything. Mandello is not an adventure bike. V85tt is not a tourer. You can have your opinion on that, but it ain't the fact. Compare V85 with the Stelvio: find the differences, as they are.
Uhhh…Fuel Economy and Range are not the same thing. Thanks for the video!
You are right!
If you go for the V100, make sure you choose the S version...far better bike
I agree! Thanks for your comment!
No contest...V100!
haha thanks!
I love moto Guzzi... For me v100 Is a Great moto
For me too! Thanks for your reply!