Next year a new, console-based configurator for Ardupilot, based on node-mavlink, is coming. It won't be as beautiful and as feature rich as the clean flight-based ancient configurators that BF and INAV use, but it will be on a whole new level from what the current mission planner provides, especially in the scope of configuring your drone. It will never support mission planning the way mission planner (or qgroundcontrol for that matter) does, it will be just for configuring your drone, but it finally will be something that works cross-platform, because people deserve it. Let's face it: if you're willing to tinker with Ardupilot, there is a good chance you're OK with Linux and running mission planner currently on mono just sucks. Stay tuned because it will be awesome!
I've started with ardupilot for my first build, it was nice, I've learned a lots, after i decided to get into Betaflight and INAV, the important is to enjoy the hobby Happy flying 🎉
I have them all, a large multi-rotor on ArduCopter, mid-sized multi-rotors and fixed wing cruisers on INAV, a few micro quads on Betaflight. ArduCopter on a PixHawk was a steep learning curve and I've chosen not to go there again. INAV and Betaflight Configurators both have a very nice user interface. My preferred F/C software is INAV, mainly because of the GPS assisted flight modes, especially the brilliant Return to Home mode. Also, looking forward to trying VTOL in INAV 7.
I do like the locked in feeling of arduplane, I live in a windy coastal area and it flys really well. I started using INAV again during the summer after a few years on Arduplane, it still has that loose feeling but for tutorials, community support and hardware compatability it's ahead of the rest - Ardupilot feels a bit like a chess club at times where INAV its more that dodgy bunch of guys in hoodies in a park trying to sell you some 18650's.
For planes I use iNav. For quads Betafoight. I have loaded Ardupilot, but it’s complicated to use and the extra features that it provides are not things I need. The only reason I consider ardupilot is because I want to built a sick ground station because building stuff is part of my hobby. I don’t need ground station but I want to build one and Ardupilot Mission Planner is cool for ground station.
My sole focus is waypoint flights, but I still prefer INAV over Ardupilot these days; I feel INAV gives me better control over things like climb throttle, and the terrain clearance readout in Mission Control is a great tool. When I do use Ardupilot, it's mostly to avoid recurrent driver issues I have with INAV, but those are probably not INAV's fault at all.
My first FC wing was running Ardupilot. Once I had it tuned that thing was locked in. When i switched into waypoint or rth it was always reliable. I kinda miss that using Inav now but I love the UI and autolaunch features of Inav.
For payload and mapping drone I will use and recommend Ardupilot with any PX4 FC. For pure racing I will use Beta flight. For long range freestyle and Cinematic I would recommend INAV ❤🔥
@@ZipovUAbefore in Inav you will be more smoother flight bro, even in higher rate you'll be more smooth movement.. that's my experience after move from Betaflight to Inav in my fpv drone
Thanks @Pawel 👍 Very good points made. I suspect that like me, most people who subscribe to your channel fly all three firmwares or at least two of them, i.e. Betaflight and INAV, and they appreciate all these sentiments.
that´s a realy fair and neutral comparison where the usecase makes the choice. After tons of quads with BF i´m starting now with inav for a new fpv Wing and it´s not as hard cause inav and bf Gui´s look quiet similar and logical.
Excellent video, Pawel! Thanks! 😊 In my case... Some 5" and smaller, Betaflight. Some other 5" and bigger, iNav. Airplanes, I'd use only iNav. ArduPilot I'd use only for vtol, but I guess it won't be for long. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!
I have an Arduplane VTOL, Arducopter quad, 2 Betaflight quads and a couple of whoops and I’m in the process of converting a 3.5” quad to iNav. Horses for courses… Betaflight best for just split arsing around, Ardu for more complex missions and iNav somewhere in the middle. I do like having pos hold so I can scratch an itch, answer the phone or just take a little break.
With the latest release in iNav i no longer see the need for Ardupilot in 2024. You have everything now in iNav … vtol, mavlink, ground station, mission planing etc. … and a much better interface and set-up logic.
For me, Ardupilot for large multirotors and fixed wing medium-to-long range...(Ardu Terrain Following is the bomb)!!! Betaflight for my 7" and smaller multirotors. Inav for my short-to-medium range fixed wings...easier setup than Ardu, but not as feature rich as Ardu.
I fly mostly Ardupilot. I will admit that it's a PITA to setup but once it's setup correctly, there are no worries. I feel like I don't have to be as great a pilot with Ardupilot as I do with INAV and Betaflight. I'm not interested in being an expert pilot. I just want to build and then fly with confidence.
Betaflight for fun flying and freestyle. I'm about to start working with Inav (testing) to see if it can be a bridge between standard freestyle and a DJI camera drone experience for retail work. need altitude hold, level flight indoors and out and while transitioning in between.
I think you'll like INAV if you're flying TO somewhere. Flying over there, then back here. Versus aerobatics, flips and rolls right in front of you. If I was focused on tricks (which direction the quad is pointing), I would use Betaflight. If it's about which direction the quad is *going*, INAV. Yes Betaflight can be used to fly to somewhere, and INAV can be used to do flips and rolls. But each has their own focus.
I'm building a 4 inch micro long distance quad. I'm using the Flywoo Explorer LR 4 V2 with Flywoo Dave-C-FPV 1404 v2 2750kv motors, matek h743 mini flight controller, 4s lithium ion battery and Arducopter but i need help in picking a lightweight 20by20mm m2 32 bit esc, do you have any recommendations
Hm, almost nobody build F450 anymore. And if F450 then which motors? Which props? Weight? Moment of inertia? It all makes more difference than type of frame
@@FPVUniversity dear sir, different countries different scenarios, in my country it's a standard DJI f450 frame , a2212 motors, 30a simonk escs and 3s lipo 2200 mah ,apm 2.8 Almost every one starts their rc hobby with this setup. I choose inav over ardupilot , I don't know but Inav feels me good, a lovely attachment by heart, that's why I have spent months making flight controller using black pill mpu 6500 from scratch and tuning inav for f450. The only one problem in althold mode , I'm stuck is when I raise throttle to climb up it goes up and when I lower throttle to mid position to hower quad it bounces down a bit but doesn't oscillate.
iNav all the way for me. The tinkerer in me is interested in trying Ardupilot but I'm daunted by the inevitable world of pain it would bring for not much advantage.
Now we have a good elrs surace radio the possibilities for using INAV as a data logging and stabilization system for RC cars has really opened up. Would love a run through of INAV features available for surface craft. Not sure if "acro" mode will work for a steering gyro or not for example (feels like it would but not sure).
good, for example, I'm for Ardupilot, he flies well in acro and otherwise he has no one to compare with, how he flies in acro you can see on my website😏
Betaflight, most used and most stable and easy to use. made for newbies, the others are not and a lot of people struggle with inav and ardupilot forusre.
I started out with Ardupilot. It works very well when its all configurated. After that I tried Inav and, that was for me a much easer experience. With Ardupilot I always forget what I did in order to get different things to work. For me Inav its easier to work with and upgrade to new versions. But since I fly a lot of waypoint missions I really lack the MAV-link support in INAV. Any thoughts of implementing that in the future?
I don't disagree with you. It is a pain to setup (especially the compass calibration) but once it's setup correctly it's rock solid. I don't want to be an expert drone pilot. I just want to build and then fly with confidence. Ardupilot gives me that.
As some one who makes a living of cinematography using FPV drones I must dissagree strongly on your point there. Its much easier and better tunes in betaflight to fly say a komodo on the drone then Inav! and ardupilot for fpv is just not even happening! I can agreen on many of your statements but this one. Well my friend I have years of experience on film sets and If we look at all the FPV pilots around not even 10% in the professional world use iNAV. Having that said iNAV has come a long ways and is getting to a point that is very good but to say betaflight has one star well no! Maybe 2 and iNAV 2 also as its not compatible with the FCs we all want to use sometimes.
"obnoxiously bad user interface".. THANK YOU! i started with drones 6 months ago.. have built and flown px4 (pixhawk 6c), betaflght and inav (f405) ... and simply can not believe you are the FIRST (!!!!) person who has said that the emperor (ardupilot) HAS NO CLOTHES. i heard so much great stuff about ardupilot, and wasted so much time on the terrible user interface and documentation. wish I had seen your video 6 months ago.
Not sure why ardupilot got so bad rating from you/the comments here. You can't find anything better for ground/water vehicles and octacopters (with a RED camera for example)
INAV is the best for now! ... I use INAV Programing section - certainly, it could be much much better, and I'd like you continue to work on it in coming editions.... anyhow it gives some useful options and opportunities to me.
It's saved my quads three times. Not perfect, but gets you back to radio control range with very minimal setup. The one time I permanently lost the link, it set the quad down lightly within a meter or so of where it took off.I've had a lot of difficulty getting inav setup where it doesn't begin circling on rth. I'm gonna try again with Inav 7 on my cinewhoop.
ardupilot is never even a consideration! would not use anything with an arduino. I dont do racing or freestyle, so betaflight does not do what I want. the only on that I like is Inav!
I'm not sure that I understand your comment. Ardupilot doesn't run on just arduino. In fact, you might be hard pressed to find an arduino it does run on.
Im sure you dont, my experience with being told I had to use an arduino on a project has turned me from anything begining with thoose letters@@ronaldcollins9618
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Its nice to see non biased reviews and videos from your perspective.
Next year a new, console-based configurator for Ardupilot, based on node-mavlink, is coming. It won't be as beautiful and as feature rich as the clean flight-based ancient configurators that BF and INAV use, but it will be on a whole new level from what the current mission planner provides, especially in the scope of configuring your drone. It will never support mission planning the way mission planner (or qgroundcontrol for that matter) does, it will be just for configuring your drone, but it finally will be something that works cross-platform, because people deserve it. Let's face it: if you're willing to tinker with Ardupilot, there is a good chance you're OK with Linux and running mission planner currently on mono just sucks. Stay tuned because it will be awesome!
Let's wait then
I've started with ardupilot for my first build, it was nice, I've learned a lots, after i decided to get into Betaflight and INAV, the important is to enjoy the hobby
Happy flying 🎉
Knowing both Ardupilot and Inav I agree with you review..even if my ideal would be Ardupilot with the interface of Inav 😃
imagine there was an attempt... th-cam.com/video/azwwyjfLOUY/w-d-xo.html but this project is now dead
I used Ardupilot until I started with INAV exactly because of that. If Ardupilot had a nicer interface, I would consider use it more again.
I have them all, a large multi-rotor on ArduCopter, mid-sized multi-rotors and fixed wing cruisers on INAV, a few micro quads on Betaflight. ArduCopter on a PixHawk was a steep learning curve and I've chosen not to go there again. INAV and Betaflight Configurators both have a very nice user interface. My preferred F/C software is INAV, mainly because of the GPS assisted flight modes, especially the brilliant Return to Home mode. Also, looking forward to trying VTOL in INAV 7.
nice!
I do like the locked in feeling of arduplane, I live in a windy coastal area and it flys really well. I started using INAV again during the summer after a few years on Arduplane, it still has that loose feeling but for tutorials, community support and hardware compatability it's ahead of the rest - Ardupilot feels a bit like a chess club at times where INAV its more that dodgy bunch of guys in hoodies in a park trying to sell you some 18650's.
For planes I use iNav. For quads Betafoight. I have loaded Ardupilot, but it’s complicated to use and the extra features that it provides are not things I need. The only reason I consider ardupilot is because I want to built a sick ground station because building stuff is part of my hobby. I don’t need ground station but I want to build one and Ardupilot Mission Planner is cool for ground station.
Try INAV for quads, you will be positively surprised
Thanks for the interesting review!
My pleasure!
My sole focus is waypoint flights, but I still prefer INAV over Ardupilot these days; I feel INAV gives me better control over things like climb throttle, and the terrain clearance readout in Mission Control is a great tool. When I do use Ardupilot, it's mostly to avoid recurrent driver issues I have with INAV, but those are probably not INAV's fault at all.
nice!
My first FC wing was running Ardupilot. Once I had it tuned that thing was locked in. When i switched into waypoint or rth it was always reliable. I kinda miss that using Inav now but I love the UI and autolaunch features of Inav.
For payload and mapping drone I will use and recommend Ardupilot with any PX4 FC.
For pure racing I will use Beta flight.
For long range freestyle and Cinematic I would recommend INAV ❤🔥
as a novice guy, Just interesting why do you prefer inav for cinematic?
@@ZipovUAbefore in Inav you will be more smoother flight bro, even in higher rate you'll be more smooth movement.. that's my experience after move from Betaflight to Inav in my fpv drone
Looks like it depends what you will use it for, the right tool for the job. The common denominator is you will learn and have to learn - a lot...
I tried multivii , baseflight then currently on inav , seriously inav pulls all your knowledge about how everything works. It's great.
thanks for the clear info
my first FC was eagle tree pro. second pitlab. Inav too dificult for me
Thanks @Pawel 👍 Very good points made. I suspect that like me, most people who subscribe to your channel fly all three firmwares or at least two of them, i.e. Betaflight and INAV, and they appreciate all these sentiments.
that´s a realy fair and neutral comparison where the usecase makes the choice.
After tons of quads with BF i´m starting now with inav for a new
fpv Wing and it´s not as hard cause inav and bf Gui´s look quiet similar and logical.
there are many similarities. After all, both were forked from the Cleanflight years ago
Yes I know Mr. Spychalski, still have CF 2.6.0 on my pc 4 old Stuff but now i ´ll conzentrate more on INAV.@@FPVUniversity
Pretty accurate to what I've experienced using the 3
I usually know what I talk about ;)
Excellent video, Pawel! Thanks! 😊
In my case... Some 5" and smaller, Betaflight. Some other 5" and bigger, iNav. Airplanes, I'd use only iNav. ArduPilot I'd use only for vtol, but I guess it won't be for long.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
I am intending to get into FPV more as an extension of my hobby robotics so I guess INAV is good for me.
I have an Arduplane VTOL, Arducopter quad, 2 Betaflight quads and a couple of whoops and I’m in the process of converting a 3.5” quad to iNav. Horses for courses… Betaflight best for just split arsing around, Ardu for more complex missions and iNav somewhere in the middle. I do like having pos hold so I can scratch an itch, answer the phone or just take a little break.
With the latest release in iNav i no longer see the need for Ardupilot in 2024. You have everything now in iNav … vtol, mavlink, ground station, mission planing etc. … and a much better interface and set-up logic.
It's very sad that inav can't configure vtx table but beta flight easily configure vtx table and see actual power label band that has in vtx
Inav in my opinion is the best all rounder it is the only software that can do everything and it gets the most updates too. Inav for the win.
Great informative video. What is the difference between the Speedybee 405 and Matek 405 and which is better? Thank you in advance sir.
For me, Ardupilot for large multirotors and fixed wing medium-to-long range...(Ardu Terrain Following is the bomb)!!! Betaflight for my 7" and smaller multirotors. Inav for my short-to-medium range fixed wings...easier setup than Ardu, but not as feature rich as Ardu.
I fly mostly Ardupilot. I will admit that it's a PITA to setup but once it's setup correctly, there are no worries. I feel like I don't have to be as great a pilot with Ardupilot as I do with INAV and Betaflight. I'm not interested in being an expert pilot. I just want to build and then fly with confidence.
If only Inav would have telmetry widget map display for the TX16S. That would be the icing on the cake.
But why you say you can't when you can? github.com/yaapu/HorusMappingWidget
I am running
You omitted PX4.
PX4 is for companies that can't use GPL code :)
Betaflight and Inav are like PB&Jelly.
Happy flying!
Betaflight for fun flying and freestyle. I'm about to start working with Inav (testing) to see if it can be a bridge between standard freestyle and a DJI camera drone experience for retail work. need altitude hold, level flight indoors and out and while transitioning in between.
You are going to like Inav 😁👍
INAV can do freestyle not worse than BF. You should give it a try
I think you'll like INAV if you're flying TO somewhere. Flying over there, then back here. Versus aerobatics, flips and rolls right in front of you. If I was focused on tricks (which direction the quad is pointing), I would use Betaflight. If it's about which direction the quad is *going*, INAV.
Yes Betaflight can be used to fly to somewhere, and INAV can be used to do flips and rolls. But each has their own focus.
Why there is small slow oscillation in inav pos hold despite good position hold.
Why not covering up other popular and regularly developed autopilot firmwares like PX4, Crazyflie and paparazzi in this video?
I'm building a 4 inch micro long distance quad. I'm using the Flywoo Explorer LR 4 V2 with Flywoo Dave-C-FPV 1404 v2 2750kv motors, matek h743 mini flight controller, 4s lithium ion battery and Arducopter but i need help in picking a lightweight 20by20mm m2 32 bit esc, do you have any recommendations
Inav should have a f450 preset. It will boost beginners morale.❤
Hm, almost nobody build F450 anymore. And if F450 then which motors? Which props? Weight? Moment of inertia? It all makes more difference than type of frame
@@FPVUniversity dear sir, different countries different scenarios, in my country it's a standard DJI f450 frame , a2212 motors, 30a simonk escs and 3s lipo 2200 mah ,apm 2.8 Almost every one starts their rc hobby with this setup. I choose inav over ardupilot , I don't know but Inav feels me good, a lovely attachment by heart, that's why I have spent months making flight controller using black pill mpu 6500 from scratch and tuning inav for f450.
The only one problem in althold mode , I'm stuck is when I raise throttle to climb up it goes up and when I lower throttle to mid position to hower quad it bounces down a bit but doesn't oscillate.
the best for me is about reliability. The answer is obiuvous so ardupilot.
iNav all the way for me. The tinkerer in me is interested in trying Ardupilot but I'm daunted by the inevitable world of pain it would bring for not much advantage.
Now we have a good elrs surace radio the possibilities for using INAV as a data logging and stabilization system for RC cars has really opened up.
Would love a run through of INAV features available for surface craft. Not sure if "acro" mode will work for a steering gyro or not for example (feels like it would but not sure).
It does work. I can't describe how well at high speed, but it does work.
good, for example, I'm for Ardupilot, he flies well in acro and otherwise he has no one to compare with, how he flies in acro you can see on my website😏
All my quads run inav even my little shen drone squirt runs inav with full gps features.
Betaflight, most used and most stable and easy to use. made for newbies, the others are not and a lot of people struggle with inav and ardupilot forusre.
I started out with Ardupilot. It works very well when its all configurated. After that I tried Inav and, that was for me a much easer experience. With Ardupilot I always forget what I did in order to get different things to work. For me Inav its easier to work with and upgrade to new versions. But since I fly a lot of waypoint missions I really lack the MAV-link support in INAV. Any thoughts of implementing that in the future?
I read that inav supports mavlink, but I only use Betaflight. Also there is a mission planner for inav.
none of them and all of them. depends on the application of the flight
Inav is the best but lacks multi-language support.
Great ... i chose inav ♥
good choice!
Inav&betaflight is ok for me Ardupilot never used it and have no knowledge of it.
Does INav have flight control software running on android? Like Qground control app
INAV can output MAVLink, but it will be only telemetry downlink
Can Inav handle a large 17-inch drone on the Rushfpv digital F7 controller? I'm waiting for the delivery of this controller ;)
Sure. There are huge INAV rigs in the wild
Should I use inav instead of ardupilot for an agricultural drone?
probably you will find more help in Ardupilot world. INAV is rather hobby and recreational oriented software
Inav
I really prefer INAV and Betaflight, Ardupilot is a pain in the ass.
It's complicated for sure
I don't disagree with you. It is a pain to setup (especially the compass calibration) but once it's setup correctly it's rock solid. I don't want to be an expert drone pilot. I just want to build and then fly with confidence. Ardupilot gives me that.
Горизонт больше не плывет?
i dont speak russian language
As some one who makes a living of cinematography using FPV drones I must dissagree strongly on your point there. Its much easier and better tunes in betaflight to fly say a komodo on the drone then Inav! and ardupilot for fpv is just not even happening! I can agreen on many of your statements but this one. Well my friend I have years of experience on film sets and If we look at all the FPV pilots around not even 10% in the professional world use iNAV. Having that said iNAV has come a long ways and is getting to a point that is very good but to say betaflight has one star well no! Maybe 2 and iNAV 2 also as its not compatible with the FCs we all want to use sometimes.
Ah, consensus makes it best.
Inav can do everything ardupilot can do, and it's easier to set up I have to say inav is the winner
There are a few things INAV can't do while Ardupilot can. They are super special things thought
Inav !
PX4 is much better than ardupilot. why not on the list?
"obnoxiously bad user interface".. THANK YOU! i started with drones 6 months ago.. have built and flown px4 (pixhawk 6c), betaflght and inav (f405) ... and simply can not believe you are the FIRST (!!!!) person who has said that the emperor (ardupilot) HAS NO CLOTHES. i heard so much great stuff about ardupilot, and wasted so much time on the terrible user interface and documentation. wish I had seen your video 6 months ago.
so what do yo want from LIFE ?
at first : INAV...and you can all..
and than ArduPilot for all and everything ..!
Betaflight works for all my drones.. inav doesnt, neither does ardupilot.. :(
Not sure why ardupilot got so bad rating from you/the comments here.
You can't find anything better for ground/water vehicles and octacopters (with a RED camera for example)
INAV is the best for now! ... I use INAV Programing section - certainly, it could be much much better, and I'd like you continue to work on it in coming editions.... anyhow it gives some useful options and opportunities to me.
Cool!
betaflight
nice!
Kiss Off!!!
🙂
Betaflight GPS rescue is not even reliable, I would give it -2 stars if I could.
It's saved my quads three times. Not perfect, but gets you back to radio control range with very minimal setup. The one time I permanently lost the link, it set the quad down lightly within a meter or so of where it took off.I've had a lot of difficulty getting inav setup where it doesn't begin circling on rth. I'm gonna try again with Inav 7 on my cinewhoop.
ardupilot is never even a consideration! would not use anything with an arduino. I dont do racing or freestyle, so betaflight does not do what I want. the only on that I like is Inav!
I'm not sure that I understand your comment. Ardupilot doesn't run on just arduino. In fact, you might be hard pressed to find an arduino it does run on.
I think you never tried ardupilot right?..hehe
Im sure you dont, my experience with being told I had to use an arduino on a project has turned me from anything begining with thoose letters@@ronaldcollins9618
Inav