How many tries does it take to knit Victorian Stockings? CSM Stockings with color-work!

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  • @thevillainofthisstory
    @thevillainofthisstory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I'm obsessed with the fact that the CSM has a built in row counter, that's fantastic

  • @Skibbityboo0580
    @Skibbityboo0580 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am a railroader that struggles with his machine all the time, and now that I am off of work, I am watching this lady struggle with her machine. I don't know what is wrong with me.
    The real reason is that deep down, I secretly love problem solving, and I enjoy watching her do the same. Love your channel. Heck I might even pick up knitting as a hobby!

    • @Dogscatsdonkeys
      @Dogscatsdonkeys ปีที่แล้ว

      ❤ love this comment. I love machines, too.

  • @pippawilliams3139
    @pippawilliams3139 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Your comments about deviating from the pattern made me think of Bernadette Banner's historical sewing videos. She's always reminding us that imperfection, or in this case adjusting the pattern to work with the tools/materials you have, is very historically accurate.

  • @angellinafosse1936
    @angellinafosse1936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your doggy is so cute!! Give her some pets from me!!!

  • @motherendurance
    @motherendurance 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was sweating along with you when you turned your cuff upside down! Congrats on your progress and work!!!

  • @lisascenic
    @lisascenic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a triumph!
    Have you ever participated in a Tweed Ride? I suspect you’d love riding and picnicking with likeminded people!
    I don’t think that TH-cam allows links in comments, or else I’d share my thoughts on knitting vintage garments for cycling adventures.
    (Also, the cardigan you’re wearing is glorious, and Nutella is adorable!)

  • @TheSharpenedPencil
    @TheSharpenedPencil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    This is so impressive! It's so cool to get to follow along with your stocking making journey! It would take me soooooo long to knit stockings of that length by hand. I know the learning process takes time, but I bet the total time is still less than knitting with needles. Watching you do the short rows for the heel cup is my favourite part.

  • @AR-gg2su
    @AR-gg2su 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The delicacy of the stocking is beautiful. My knitting group is always in awe that I like to knit with size 2 and 3 size needles.

  • @tamrak9890
    @tamrak9890 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I will stay with hand knitting any socks I make. Too much math and fiddling. But I am impressed with your persistence. Good job!

  • @meganb225
    @meganb225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I just love Nutella! As someone who has a dog (a German shorthaired pointer) and crochets, I feel that I am well represented 😂

  • @aukjevankolck1017
    @aukjevankolck1017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pausing the video 30 seconds in to say those shot changes were amazing! It took me a second to realise you must have stopped, set up camera at different angle, continu, stop again, set up new shot, and repeat for every shot. It is so seamless I love it! Okay that was it, watching the rest of the video now :)

  • @Eisofice
    @Eisofice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hahahahaha, that needle flipping looked super stressful 😅 I love to see your process of failure and growth and what you learn!

  • @RetroClaude
    @RetroClaude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow! I love how these turned out and the tension when you were flipping that cuff! Oh boy! Can't wait to see the bloomers!!

  • @stephenrobb8759
    @stephenrobb8759 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I enjoy your videos !
    .
    This is the most tempted to buy a sock machine I have ever been.

  • @KnittedSister
    @KnittedSister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A tip from a hand knitter who has worked with yarn on cones many times. (I have a local store that buys in bulk, and sells cheap)
    You might already have been adressing this, as i saw in your last clips that you had some yarn up on a "wooden thingy" (😂) but i thought that this was still worth a mention.
    If you have the cone standing passively on the table, and pull the yarn up vertically, the yarn will slowly become either tighter or looser in its twist. (Not native English speaker, sorry for the weird words)
    If you instead had it a bit higher up, and on something that rotates the cone as the yarn is being pulled into the machine, you won't slowly "overwind" or unwind the yarn. Especially when making ribbing, it is quite important to get right, otherwise the last knit stich before the purl can look loose and weird.
    Unwinding the yarn can also cause the hooks on the machine to have a harder time grabbing the yarn, and it will make the final garment less strong.
    This is really easy to illustrate with a roll of ribbon. If you put it flat on the table and pull up the end of the ribbon vertically, it will roll around itself, but if you put a finger on the middle of the roll, and pull out to the side, the ribbon won't twist around itself. Hope it made sense? 🤔
    The socks you have made so far look amazing, good luck with your amazing machine. 👍

    • @harbartje5171
      @harbartje5171 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for tis information - I can't quite imagine how to avoid it. Could you maybe recommand a video or longer article?

    • @王艺璇-w3k
      @王艺璇-w3k ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh. I have been hand knitting with a kilo cone of yarn (there is a wholesale yarn shop in my town too and I love it), and the cone just sit on the floor and I pull yarn vertically from it. Twists in the yarn stay nice and even. The shop told me to do so because my cone was winded specifically for machine use -- so what you are saying here must have been what they were advicing against, like they have an industrial solution to this twist problem lol

  • @julieselden7932
    @julieselden7932 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish you would show us how to work that machine from start to finish. I want to see you put the yarn on all the way to taking it off. I would love to make some of these but that is a lot of money to spend and I'm not sure I could figure out how to do it. The company that makes those machines needs to sponsor you for that video. I bet a lot of people would buy it if they knew how to set it up and figure out how to make things on it. Love your channel

  • @amysullivan2414
    @amysullivan2414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I uses to drop stitches when i started. A tech moved my yarn carrier a tiny bit closer to the needles. I hardly ever drop now. 😊

  • @gadgetgirl02
    @gadgetgirl02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm getting two things out of this video:
    1. I so want a CSM!
    2. As with the knitting machine I already have, I think my personal preference is to do the beginning and ending (and for socks, the heels) by hand. That way the machine takes care of "the boring parts" but the handmade boys make the whole thing look handmade.
    Having said that, I love how the diamond socks turned out!

    • @KnittedSister
      @KnittedSister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      An afterthought heel would probably make things move a lot quicker, was my thought too. 😊

    • @gadgetgirl02
      @gadgetgirl02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@KnittedSister Yeah, somewhere on TH-cam I saw someone with an antique CSM make three pairs of socks in one continuous tube. She would knit in a half round of waste yarn for the heel, and a few rounds of waste yarn between socks. Then when the tube was of the machine she removed the waste yarn a sock at a time and did afterthought heels and toes. Somehow she used the CSM for those too, but of course you could always do them by hand.

    • @KnittedSister
      @KnittedSister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sounds amazing! Me and my regular sock needles are not jealous at all. 😂

  • @bethmartinbooks
    @bethmartinbooks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    My 7-year-old daughter: Watcha doing?
    Me: Watching this woman knit a sock.
    Daughter: …
    Me: …
    Daughter: BYE!!!!
    Lol, I never thought watching someone knit could be so engaging! I love your videos and am enjoying seeing your ensemble come together!

    • @MsFitz134
      @MsFitz134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bahaha my 6yo daughter came in and was fascinated to watch with me. She now says we must get a sock knitting machine so she can help me knit socks.

  • @jenhaze
    @jenhaze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This was amazing! They turned out beautifully, and that was the perfect jig at the end with Nutella! 💚👏🏾👏🏾

  • @simsamsammie
    @simsamsammie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The STRESS I felt watching you flip those needles

  • @marjoriemoser3961
    @marjoriemoser3961 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a very patient young lady!
    I’m amazed at your ability to troubleshoot with this cranking machine.
    I am very impressed!!!!

  • @byronservies4043
    @byronservies4043 ปีที่แล้ว

    The idea of socks that fit exactly instead of being a compromise between 1 of 2 sizes is very appealing.

  • @mirthevanhoorn
    @mirthevanhoorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    holy shit I'm so early, I just finished another video of yours and clicked on your channelname and boom 2 minutes ago. Whoop very excited to see more of the CSM.

  • @robinchildofgod5
    @robinchildofgod5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    CSM is on my wish list for b day and Christmas. With one I might get through all my sock yarn 😆
    For the flipping, could you use a lifeline? Like when knitting lace?

  • @sarahr.1076
    @sarahr.1076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love your experiments with the CSM. A CSM is something that I have been eyeing for a long time, but I was also really intimidated. Maybe I'll buy one once I'll have a little extra money.

  • @susanmcdonald5570
    @susanmcdonald5570 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for this detailed and honest video! My husband and I are Scottish (living in France), and he's a kiltmaker. He's been asking me for a long time to make some kilt hose - which look very similar to these stockings you've knitted. Now, I can definitely do this by hand-knitting - and I have loads of patterns, particularly of the tops, which can be multi-coloured or plain and cabled. However, I'd love to experiment with a CSM so I can make him some hose that are customised. It sounds like fun! Is this something you've tried at all?

  • @AllFouRoux
    @AllFouRoux ปีที่แล้ว

    Your excitement on your projects are infectious!

  • @Kelli.Hicks.5
    @Kelli.Hicks.5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Watching the CSM is so soothing for me. 🙃 I'm glad you're working out the kinks and having a fun time with it. 🙂 I can't wait for the next instalments of the biking outfit. 🚲

  • @kaizma88
    @kaizma88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have such patience and perseverance! I would have thrown the sock machine out the nearest window 🪟

  • @王艺璇-w3k
    @王艺璇-w3k ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so much fun! You are very smart and creative when you approach a problem, guess this is part of the reason why your videos are satisfying and engaging to watch. Love your work. Kisses to Nutella too xx

  • @lauraraines767
    @lauraraines767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice , although a little tricky. Thanks for sharing. 😊

  • @jakeschroeder4874
    @jakeschroeder4874 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a geniune, passionate, expressive, and so very beautiful person WOW.

  • @eltorrisimo
    @eltorrisimo ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so cool. I'm having a great time learning about this topic, which is surprisingly applicable to 2023! Nice job ☺️

  • @makeda6530
    @makeda6530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Loving the stocking journey, they're nice, happy you're gaining cozy wins while you go along~

  • @laymandigitization2598
    @laymandigitization2598 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The envy in my heart for your machine, I want one so bad now!!

  • @cliffp.8396
    @cliffp.8396 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate your perseverance in this steep learning curve.

  • @alessandraale1950
    @alessandraale1950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They came out really cool! Great work!

  • @PotentiallyAndy
    @PotentiallyAndy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just came across your channel. I love what you are doing here. Reviving hand making crafts is wonderful.
    Thank you for the time you have put into it

  • @heatherknits124
    @heatherknits124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this! Sadly, I hand knit my socks because I love the heel flap and turn. I also love me a good upstanding drawn toe, so no grafting.
    Those gorgeous golf stockings have the cuff worked in the round facing, per the usual, and then the fold line turns the cuff so that the stockings continue the pattern to create a sock as normal. I made very similar golf stockings, I love them, but, I couldn’t translate double points to Circular Machine. I’m not even sure my explanation makes sense. And you said you don’t have a larger carriage, so you couldn’t make the cuff alone larger. They’re still gorgeous!

  • @eliskarezlerova7424
    @eliskarezlerova7424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was very enjoyable :) I do not knit myself (and I currently do not intent to start) - but I enjoy some crochet work and this is nice background :)

  • @ramonacowman7409
    @ramonacowman7409 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So fun! Your accessories look amazing! Can’t wait to see the next piece! Thank you for sharing!❤️

  • @augustwogsland3309
    @augustwogsland3309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is such a cool machine and I love that you showed all the different versions and practice you did on the new machine.

  • @Briguy1027
    @Briguy1027 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like such a cool machine. Amazing what people can design.

  • @LeelaBluePins
    @LeelaBluePins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your black with grey and white dots cardigan! Do you have a video on it??

  • @goldfwish8476
    @goldfwish8476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    been loving the editing on your videos recently! the diamond cuff is really pretty and makes me want to knit a pair of my own :]

  • @bluewingsprite
    @bluewingsprite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember seeing a CSM video where they started by the toe, and hung the non working side of the toe to close it off as they worked.

  • @user-Stop-The-Loss
    @user-Stop-The-Loss ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos. Thank you so much for being so real.

  • @freddynetto18
    @freddynetto18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yesss i’ve been waiting for this video!

  • @bilh3292
    @bilh3292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just found your channel, and I love it! It's hard to find someone as passionate about knitting as I am, so watching your videos is refreshing, and I feel excited at each step of your learning process.

  • @AnnieKat_
    @AnnieKat_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And the rest of us are too scared to re-thread a serger 😂 impressive!!

  • @mariebray9831
    @mariebray9831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely, the CSM looks so fun to play with, and learn how to use. I'm following a book from the library "Toe-Up 2-at-a Time Socks",

  • @druidsongevergreens
    @druidsongevergreens 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good socks. Good job sticking it out with the learning process

  • @vicroc4
    @vicroc4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eep, taking the project out and flipping it was nerve-wracking enough to watch. I can only imagine how scary that was to actually do.
    Also: Clearly the best part of the video was you playing with Nutella at the end.

  • @Boba_snail.378
    @Boba_snail.378 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how positive you are even after messing up :) stay groovy

  • @zazzerzuzu69
    @zazzerzuzu69 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE your Aussie Nutella! I have 5 myself 🥰

  • @sekaihatsu
    @sekaihatsu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is so cool. I've wanted a sock machine for a while but now I really want one.

  • @melodied4314
    @melodied4314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm impressed! I've only recently found your channel. I've watched 2 videos -- this one and the one when you first got the CSM machine. Makes me wonder how many (or how few) use this machine to make their own stockings.

  • @bluedingo1186
    @bluedingo1186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just found your channel and immediately subscribed! The first video I saw was the previous one where you got your CSM. This is a machine I never realized I needed in my life. As much as I want to make all the things with it, I feel that watching the machine's process itself can be hypnotizing and the sound will end up being like white noise. Combine all of that with a pretty solid case of ADHD and I feel I will end up making lots of very long tubes because I lose track of the project and time!

  • @DeniseSkidmore
    @DeniseSkidmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For flipping the cuff I would have transferred to stitch holders and back.

  • @jerga2002
    @jerga2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing machine with ribbing option. If not 1 model of current modern machines has the ribbing top plate

  • @coreygilles847
    @coreygilles847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those are fantastic! I was nervous as you did the flip but you managed it so well!

  • @FaithandFun-w6q
    @FaithandFun-w6q 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive, love it, thank you for sharing!

  • @999Giustina
    @999Giustina 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you use a lifeline when turning the sock inside out?

  • @lisascenic
    @lisascenic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been thinking about this project, and I wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to knit the toppers as separate pieces, and then graft them onto the stockings. It seems like so many things could go wrong with the operation you’re currently doing.
    Also, this might be a way to make the two toppers match a bit better. Knit a third, looser topper and swap it out for the tight one.
    Finally, I’d selfishly *love* the chance to get a better look at your process for knitting the two-colored diamonds. I’m so curious about the way the machine handled the color changes!

  • @slinger6123
    @slinger6123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yeesss! ive been waiting for this! so excited :)

  • @robintheparttimesewer6798
    @robintheparttimesewer6798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They turned out beautifully!!

  • @BeautifulDisaster1122
    @BeautifulDisaster1122 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching your journeys! Also I love your cardigan. Did you make that? If so, is there a pattern or a video I've somehow missed? Keep up the great work!

  • @tricotosasypunto
    @tricotosasypunto 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me encanta! Muy interesante y entretenido tu video.
    Donde se adquieren esas máquinas? Muchas gracias.

  • @sanyaoldland1935
    @sanyaoldland1935 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been watching some of your videos and you knit some lace trim for some undergarments and had some trouble Ewing the narrow lace to your garment. Check out heirloom sewing sites on how to attach lace using entredeux. This is a trim that when attached to your garment edge provides a ladder that you can use to whip stitch your lace onto your garment. You have some interesting projects.

  • @rexgeorg7324
    @rexgeorg7324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤍 nice work ..

  • @twistknit1
    @twistknit1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun video! Is it possible to do a few rows of waste yarn after the cuff and take it off the machine, turn inside and rehang the using the latch tools where the waste and working yarn join?

  • @LadyVrunck
    @LadyVrunck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They look sooo amazig

  • @craftingweirdo6498
    @craftingweirdo6498 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love those knitting maschine videos. Will there be more with the flat knitting maschine?

  • @piccalillipit9211
    @piccalillipit9211 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    *I HAVE NO IDEA* why I am watching this - but its kinda fascinating...

  • @danabennett8986
    @danabennett8986 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stockings look fantastic! When you're doing the turnover couldn't you knit some rows on waste yarn, drop the project and re-hang the stitches?

  • @gadgetgirlm1
    @gadgetgirlm1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the turning inside out part for the top turn down part,........... why not just knit until you are ready to turn, then knit in a ravel cord row followed by some scrap yarn and then take the whole thing off, turn inside out and put it all back on the needles underneath the ravel cord with the hook tool and then take out the ravel cord and scrap yarn and continue on... That way you don't have to worry about dropping needles or losing stitches while turning.

  • @BillyBoy7380
    @BillyBoy7380 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the music

  • @voltijuice8576
    @voltijuice8576 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was riveted by your hook acrobatics!
    As someone just beginning with 3D printing, working up to making a CSM is tempting, but I need to know more first. I'm wondering about the correlation between the number of hooks and how fine/coarse the knit is. I have silk stockings that aren't quite tall enough, those are my metric for trying to make my own. Also, my thighs are a bit big. So I am leaning towards making a CSM that's bigger for a dense and fine knit.

  • @blacksunshine5758
    @blacksunshine5758 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want one of these sock machines. I’m just trying to get as much info as possible before I dive in.

  • @paloma_hill
    @paloma_hill 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ack that is so exciting!

  • @c.powell8472
    @c.powell8472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    yooooo, that machine is $600. Do you make socks all the time? Does it make other things? im not sure i could make enough socks to justify the machine? it looks amazing tho

  • @Lady_dromeda
    @Lady_dromeda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I forgot that CSM can mean something other than “Customer Service Manager” which is what I have been hearing for the past few months working at Walmart 😅 (I work in the fashion section, and though I’m not too fond of fast fashion, it’s a pleasant experience for me and my ADHD because I like the folding.)

  • @neevah2000
    @neevah2000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bobby pins might bring easier for the flipping portion

  • @MyNameIsNotRachel01
    @MyNameIsNotRachel01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you make the sweater you are wearing in this video? I love the pattern

  • @DebiSmithPouliot
    @DebiSmithPouliot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would it be easier to knit the stocking on the machine and knit the decorative cuff separately and Kitchner them together?

  • @werelemur1138
    @werelemur1138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Mom. Mom! MOM!" -- Nutella, probably

  • @juliebute4063
    @juliebute4063 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG. The sweater you are wearing ( black and gray dots). resembles one my mom was knitting years ago. I don’t think she ever finished it. I wish she had finished it because it’s so pretty!!!!!

  • @valeskaarnesen1295
    @valeskaarnesen1295 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I would move my work to a circular needle, turn it inside out and reinstall it on the machine. It seems like it would be more manageable.

  • @geministargazer9830
    @geministargazer9830 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a pattern for the shirt you’re wearing? Did you make it? I really like the colours :)

  • @Kenji1234Animelover
    @Kenji1234Animelover 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe next time you need to flip the piece like for the cuff add a lifeline. Basically run a thread through all of the stitches. Then if you drop one it can't undo!!

    • @Kenji1234Animelover
      @Kenji1234Animelover 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus you can just take the stitches off and put them back on inside out. No needle flipping needed.

  • @tuulalu5181
    @tuulalu5181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if it wouldn't be easier (less stressful/fiddly?) to stitch several rows of waste yarn after the fold-over cuff, then remove the work and rehang it inside out rather than flipping the needles? That's the way I do it on a flat knitting bed, and it's really much quicker than it sounds.

  • @micahmilne
    @micahmilne 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the part that gets turned over... I'm no expert, but could you just knit on some waste yarn, take the whole cuff off the needles, flip it inside out, and then rehang it on the needles, wrong side out? Sort of like you do when making a classic double thickness hung hem cuff.
    Also I was very intimidated by the ribber at first but you made it look... not easy, but relatively simple. Feeling inspired by your successes!

  • @The_Crafting_Gamer
    @The_Crafting_Gamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What kind of yarn are you using for your stockings

  • @annep.1905
    @annep.1905 ปีที่แล้ว

    (Watching longingly) I think I want a sock machine.... not this one, though. I think I want the Erlbacher CSM.

  • @rosemarypeace9000
    @rosemarypeace9000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good morning from uk do your videos contain any hand knitting ?

  • @spazcake1755
    @spazcake1755 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much space does both of your knitting machines take? I live in a fairly small house and don't know if I have room for such investments.

  • @TheNo1pencil
    @TheNo1pencil ปีที่แล้ว

    *me sitting next to a giant pile of yarn I am crocheting into a blanket that is sitting on top of all my embroidery thread and has a Dremel hand engraver for engraving acrylic sitting on top*: maybe I should get this machine to make my own socks...

  • @moraghamilton3609
    @moraghamilton3609 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you purchase your sock knitting machine?

  • @jackiewakelin8096
    @jackiewakelin8096 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, Is the pattern available for the jumper you are wearing please ?