Is Glycine a scam now? Combat Sub Bronze vs Longines Hydroconquest vs Hamilton Khaki Navy Scuba
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- Glycine v Longines: 7:51
Glycine v Hamilton: 18:52
Bronze Watch Alternatives: 30:40
Taking a close look at the quality level of Glycine now that it's become such a discounted brand post-Invicta. Is Glycine still a peer with established swiss brands such as Longines or Hamilton? Is it a good deal at discount?
We head to head the Glycine Combat Sub Bronze vs Longines Hydroconquest vs Hamilton Khaki Navy Scuba
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As an avid collector of Glycine for decades and owning most every pre-Invicta Airman model produced, I’m struggling to see the point of this video. Clearly “bronze” was a key topic and mentioned repeatedly. Clearly, you prefer the Longines to the post-Invicta Combat Sub. But, your assertion that Glycine as a brand, may be “a scam”, based on babblings about these two pieces only, is absurd. You completely avoided models like the Airman 17/18, as well as earlier offerings from Glycine. I have several 17’s, two of which have an accuracy level that exceeds most regulates pieces. One maintains a constant +3 sec/month, on the wrist and once measured slightly better, when checked in chronometer testing. Rare ?, yes. Will they all do that ? , of course not. But I could put it beside the Longines, put them through COSC certification, mention the case finish 15-20 times and pose the question - “Is Longines a Scam ?” If the point is the post-Invicta watches, then accurately compare pre/post versions of several models. Or, simply say “$399 Post-Invicta Combat Sub vs $1200 Longines Hydroconquest”. But to compare my hand built, limited edition D24’s against everything on your video, then assert “scam ?” on the others, would be irresponsible at best. As for the flaws you cite with the Sub, I suspect that if Glycine adopted Longines pricing, those “flaws” would go away. Conversely, lower the price of the Longines to $399 and watch the “flaws” appear.
That's because that guy in the video is just stupid, i highly agree, i invite him to closely examine and Analyze the Combat Sub 36 released in 2021, he might be shocked Lol
Wait, so you're trying to see if the quality of Glycine has suffered since the acquisition, yet you don't compare an older model pre-Invicta Glycine (say a 2015 model) with a newer one? Glycine has been under Invicta for about 3 years now....and pretty much every legit Glycine watch review I've seen posted on TH-cam in the last year or more has been for the most part positive. As far as pricing, as long as someone thinks they are getting a good deal for a Swiss automatic and likes the quality for the price, it doesn't matter what price is paid. The question should be this: Is the ~ $1,100 price difference between the Longines vs. Glycine worth it?
Joe Lombardi You make some valid points Joe. I have collected Glycine for a long time and own most every Airman produced pre-Invicta. I had a hard time understanding the point of this video, other than “bronze” said too many times to count and he likes the Longines over the Glycine, for reasons no one could follow. I was completely exhausted after watching this. It was so redundant and sounded like an insurance seminar. But, I have a Combat that is superb. Also, I got very lucky with one of my Airman 17 versions. It is an older piece, but has accuracy beyond any auto I own (+3 sec/month) on wrist or winder. That exceed most regulated watches costing thousands.
1100 dollar price difference? List price for this older version of Hydro Conquest is 1100 and you can typically get it for about 900 dollars.
@@randyporter3491 You are right Randy
As an owner of an Omega Speedmaster, Bongine Hydro, and a Casio F91W, plus 50 other watches, the Glycine Combat gets the most time. Invitca only gave them cash flow. Not creative overlordness. Too many watchtards automatically assumr Glycine is invicta. Glycine is still very much glycine. Own one and wear it for a year before talking about them.
Nice!! Im going to borrow that description "watchtard"
Trust me i can and do confirm, i own the combat sub 36, released in 2021, at $2000 retail price and i am blown away by the quality of this timepiece. Invicta just bought them, they haven't brought up any mods and bullshit altering quality, Glycine is still 100% Swiss Made Authentic.
@@carlmccoy6334 Well he is right, after analyzing everything in details and especially some Glycine watches, people will rather assume than question and inform themselves, but that's up to how stupid they just are.
I bought a Combat Sub from Ashford recently. I have many watches from high end to low end. This Glycine watch is a pleasure to wear and keeps almost perfect time so far. The finishes are outstanding. Invicta has kept its hands off the quality and production end of Glycine from what I can see. I enjoyed your presentation but the undertone was much too negatively biased against Glycine, imo.
I got a Combat Chrono recently from Ashford. It's not a Speedmaster or a Daytona. But a wearable (Thinner) and value for money watch. Other reviewers did mentioned the QC issues, but for a $200 to $500 watch, it's expected. He should compare to brands like Spinnaker, Seiko, Islander and Phoibos.
For $200, I got a Ronda moment, sapphire crystal, screw down crown, (Screw you Luminox for your crappy crown.) and 20 atm. The lum is crappy. But I'm happy with my purchase.
For someone with a 'watch' channel, it is embarrassing that you are unaware that Sellita in fact made and assembled movements for ETA for close to 70 years. In fact, most people who actually have a clue will tell you a Sellita is more likely than not to be equal if not more reliable than the ETA equivalent since ETA's stringent quality control for their 'sub-contractor' were higher than that of their own factory.
I have bought a Glycine combat and i love it, perfect on my wrist. I have also a Speedmaster Omega which is more expensive.
So you went through all that just to make the point that Glycine watches never sell at retail price? Seems a bit overdone, don't you think? I think my question is, since they are both entry level swiss automatics, do you feel the Longines is worth $700 more then the Glycine and if so, why?
I own a "Invicta" GoldenEye and a 2011 Rolex Submariner. Got the Glycine for around 500€... Its not better than the Rolex... Here and there are a few little other things but: The Glycine can hold its ground
I'm reading "don't jump" books after watching this review.
Strange review. Compare a bronze case watch with a stainless steel one? Did you notice that the Longines has a (cheap) withe date wheel with black numbers. It should be an inverted colored one like the Glycine has. I have the Glycine bronze in blue you "reviewed". The bezel is perfect aligned and the clicks are just right with perfect grip. Not so slippery as the Longines... Did you know that the Sellita SW200-1 movement is better time keeping due to the thicker hairspring? Power reserve of the Hamilton is great, as well as time keeping, but wait until you need service.... Oh and what about the thickness of the watch? 10,6 mm. for the Glycine. Almost quarz specs. A great job... Strange review - don't know what you want to point out here.
Better compare an old Glycine with the Invicta Glycine...
The Longines Hydroconquest uses a modified ETA 2893 movement (at least my version does).
The Glycine wins here - especially at the lower price.
Obviously you just don't like the Glycine. I have a very wide variety to my collection. Everything from Timex automatics, Seiko automatics, Luminox automatics, Glycine automatics several Balls, and a Rolex Submariner. To be honest, the Glycine bronze Combat Sub is one of my favorites and probably gets the most wrist time.
I have Glycine Combat and I highly recommend that brand to everyone. Reasonable prices for great quality watch. I don’t have to overpay to feel better 😊
Now to be clear, the swap of the movement was due to swatch group limiting who could buy the 2824. Glycine used the sw200 before the change to Invicta but unfortunately used the same numbers for their movement which made it had to determine which version was inside . Also I laugh when I hear people refer to the sw200 as a copy of the 2824. They actually produced the 2824 for eta until eta decided to produce their own movements. They made a couple of changes but continued to make the movement on the same machines that the 2824 was produced on. I just consider it to be a modified 2824. I have a glycine combat sub with the sw200 and I've been very lucky with it. Mine actually only gains between .5 and 1 second over the month with constant wear. It out preforms my Hamilton and Tissots with the modified 2824 movements.
Great reply! I can remember time when Longines was thought to be on the decline by some.
@@markdrum2392 Sinn dive watches uses the SW200 and SW300. And they are $1500 to $2000 watches
Tx for comparison, however must agree with comment below. Also magnifier or closer look to a details would give us better clue about the watch, to be honest..
Not what I expected. But what you are saying is it's worth the money ? . I just think that a dive watch with numbers looks cool as hell. I want one.
I agree it's not a luxury watch, and neither is it 75% off.
But you are getting more than what you pay for.
Watches with an ETA or Sellita go for more, microbrands with less heritage go for more.
Aragon may be comparable specs wise however brand-wise it's not similar.
Emotions aside - Glycine Combat Subs are objectively the best value for money.
Emotionally Glycine brand has heritage, a watch brand used in the Vietnam War.
More brand pedigree than the comparable microbrand counterparts.
Its like sating omega longines etc are crap because their owned by "swatch".
The only thing Invicta did was add money to keep them alive, the watches are exactly the same as before Invicta take over the business.
When I bought my Glycine Airman, it was considered a fairly high end watch. Definitely the most expensive watch I had ever bought. I think I paid around $300 for it. I wonder what it would sell for today if adjusted for inflation. I bought it 48 years ago. It still looks great and still works just as good as did in the 1970s. Definitely not what I would call a lesser quality watch.
I’ve just ordered an Airpilot Dual time on a ss bracelet for $127 plus shipping from Ashford delivered UK price £130 . Rrp is stated to be $1495
I don’t believe it for a minute bur here in the UK reputable watch shops are advertising them for around £870 . So what price is the correct one for a Glycine ? All I know is that I’m hoping that it thrills me when it arrives and that it is as good as a San Martin which would cost more from Ali Express .
i have a selitta in my 2018 combat sub
I just bought a glycine for 600 did I get screwed
very good quality. Love Glycine
Please help me make a decision which one should i buy? That hydroconquest or that khaki navy scuba? Which one is more worthy?
One is about double the price of the other; both watches are solid buys at their respective price. Just depends on your budget.
I would also take a look at some of the hot microbrands - Lorier, Nodus, and Baltic are microbrands making highly-regarded divers at sub-$1000 price point.
@@grymckr alright, thanks for your recommendation bro, but the brand selection in my country is very limited 😂
I don’t think you are being fair. The lume for a dive watch is supposed to to be bright which the Glycine is keeping up with that task. I don’t like that is bronze, but the finish overall is great. My big gripe is in the movement. I would prefer a confirmed ETA rather than clones, Sellita clones, but overall, a great watch. I am enjoying mine tremendously. Not concerned about scratches or bumps like I would be with owning a Longines.Enjoy yours.
Swatch owns Omega. Nuff said.
That's Swatch Group That also owns Omega,Breguet, Rado Certina,Mido Glashute Etc etc!! You make me laugh hahaha!
It's not just Invicta, who has ever paid full MRP for a watch? The Glycine and Longines comparison is ridiculous. I live in the UK, and even at the best prices available the Longines is twice times the price. Wrong, the Glycine is 60 click bezel.
Crappy negative review of a great watch brand.
As far your comparison I would pick these two watches at all I don't find them inspiring and Longines well you can get for that price way better watches. I would take the older glycine the vintage ones like gl0087 or I have my eye on the gl0088
If it's not a Rolex, Omega and other high end popular brands the MSRP does not mean anything but a marketing price, I can get a new Longines Spirit for 1500 to 1700 vs the asking price of 2200 plus. The invicta argument is useless when the plastic watch company swatch owns longines, omega, hamilton, tissot, breguet I'll make the argument those brands use cheap plastic components on high end watches.
This video seems like the uploader just wanting to jump onto the Glycine train without doing any of the research
Good watch but dont pay more than half of retail
People really have no basis for bashing Glycine for the invicta connection. Sheer ignorance and lack of knowledge.
Reality is it would cost invicta far more $$ to change production to somehow make them cheaper as Glycine already invested all the tooling...people really are gullible and bashing out of sheer ignorance.
Citizen owns Arnold and Son and at one point Matres De Temps, swatch owns Breguet,GO, Winston,Drop, Hatot..they didn't spend millions to revamp tooling, changing production to make these brands cheaper to swatch standards.
Jaded...
There are other companies more worthy of your scrutiny, like Rolex, taghauer, iwc and so on. There are no quality changes since the transition. They all do that. Fp journey for instance. WTF.
I was taught that if I didn't have anything nice to say, not to say anything.......
I was considering buying the newer version of the Combat Sub (for 379,00 dollars, as you shown). Then I saw the older version (the one with SUB '11 text and the old crown logo on the dial), but it would cost me exactly two times that price. Do you think it would be worthed? (basically, the pre-Invicta against the post-Invicta) Thanks in advance!
There are lots of anecdotal reports that the older stock are of higher quality than new. However, I've not had the opportunity to personally scrutinize older pieces the way I do to post-Invicta pieces the video so I can't attest to that for certain.
Additionally there's the branding aspect of it as well - whether or not the older stock is of higher quality, the \brand\ of Glycine is firmly its new price point now. Again, purely aesthetic whether or not brand consciousness is a factor for your decision but it's something worth considering. (However getting the old logo does give it that retro cred.)
yes, for sure they do. Different materials and different manifacture, shapes are very similar but 'substance' has changed. They cost the half because the value is the half.
@@abateditheleme9702its not a different manufacturer. Glycine has been manufacturing their timepieces out of the the same factory in Biel Switzerland long, long before invicta purchased the brand and they are still manufactured there today. Far as differences in the watches, there are similar with the exception of the the drilled lugs. I should know because i own both pre and post models.
GL0095 is not what I expected. Quality seems poor and way too big. My least favorite Glycine I own.
This video had a lot of useful information especially about the movement on the glycine, don't understand the negative energy. TBH glycine is one of the best value in watches today for its total package, yes it's no longines, but price mark up or not its a $500-700 watch for its fit and finish imo. It's much better than the tissot t-race that I paid $500 with its crappy sistem51 movement, but the tissot is built better than my glycine 48mm.
The bronze comparison isn’t fair against stainless. Bronze gets ugly looking. Should compare steel
It's doesn't matter.. Because it's cheap Glycine... Here Is glycine Usd340 vs Longines usd4k
I think because you have cast this review in such a confusing and negative way that it has produced a slew of negative comments that are perhaps well deserved. But , I will attempt to take the high road. MSR pricing can be misleading. So your premise for the review may not really be all that valid. Consider that I purchased an Oris Classic Date listed for $ 1,200 from a grey market seller for $365. The Oris Aquis that lists for $ 2,000 can be had for $1200. Is there a scam going on here ? I think the question is, is the watch value for money. I believe that you have created a straw man. Wait, are YOU scamming us ? (just kidding mate).
Comparing the Combat Sub with a Hamilton Khaki Diver is a good one. The Combat Sub is probably superior watch simple based on its 200 M water resistance compared to the Hamilton's 100 M. I compared the two and purchased the Combat Sub. BOTH are entry level Swiss automatic dive watches. No one would say otherwise. On the other hand, the Hydroconquest is not a proper comparison IMO with the Combat Sub. Rather like most reviewers do, compare it with an Oris Aquis. The MSR of these watches may be slightly different , but then so is the MSR of the two most compared dive watches, the Rolex Submariner and Omega Seamaster. Now, if you have evidence that Glycine's production methods, materials, movements, quality control, etc have changed then present that evidence. Hearsay is just that.
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The title of the video is clickbaity, which is something I honestly acknowledge in the video itself. As for the comparison - again, I explicitly acknowledge that a comparison to Longines isn't entirely "fair" and is provided merely as a benchmark for the quality that's actually available at the ~$1k price point. I don't remember my exact words, but I do say that Hamilton is more Glycine's "true" competitor than Longines.
On the question of is the watch value for money - yes this is the true question, and the question is answered. It's a watch that you can get for $300-500 and it's worth about that much. I say as much in the vid.
I think people are upset because of (1) clickbait title, guilty, so fair enough, (2) it somehow comes up early when you search for Glycine watch reviews on youtube, and ultimately (3) how I frame this idea: The Glycine is an affordable watch of quality commensurate to its price, ie, not a lot. It's not a luxury watch at a cheap price. It's worth what you pay for it. If I had to put a quantitative figure to it, it'd be 3/5. Average for what it is. Not exceptional value, not terrible.
Oh also there were subjective qualities of it I disliked but even explicitly disclaiming them as subjective wasn't enough to avoid ire ;P
And I'm not ever going to try to put my videos up against TGVs - much like Longines and Glycine, we may both be reviewing watches on youtube but he's in an entirely different category than me =D
Nothing you said can relate, even remotely, to a "scam". Nice try though.
lol the Invicta trolls are out in force.
174 dislikes vs. 50 likes shows the validity of this rant. To many TH-cam watch reviewers are just not UP to the Task. Non Subscriber.
Why wouldn't you compare an Glycine Airman pre-Invicta to a post acquisition?
Glycine is not know for their divers. They are known for their pilot watch, but you have obscured that fact from unknowing people who have discovered your channel. Why?
They may not be as known for them, but the Combat sub series has been out since the 60’s
Combat sub is a 60 click
More empty watch snob bait. If you knew >anything< about business you'd know that having Invicta's marketing and established distribution you'd know that will probably be a good thing for Glycine. Invicta bought Glycine to regain some of the prestige that Invicta once enjoyed. I own Glycine watches from both the pre and post Invicta eras and I see no difference in the quality of the watch. Did you ever think that having access to more resources might allow Glycine to innovate more? I'd rather see Glycine survive and prosper under Invicta's umbrella than watch it disappear. Count your blessings. If you don't like it then don't buy it. It's just that simple.
You chose one of the least attractive combat subs...
Hamilton has a triangular design???? Wth are you looking at
There are triangular Hamilton’s. Elvis wore one. Search Hamilton Ventura
Thanks for the video and don't mind the haters. I guess they can't get their head around the fact the "steal" they got off from the MSRP was not really a steal. As usual, you get what you pay for.
I am only left wondering if pre-invicta Glycine was better.
Appreciate the positive comment, glad at least some people understood what I was trying to convey. I thought I made it pretty clear in the video how I felt - it's worth how much you paid for it, which is not a lot - assuming you didn't get ripped off. Just because it's clearly not a $1000 watch doesn't mean it doesn't have its place in the market. (Also some aesthetic things about this model specifically I didn't like, but that stuff again I explicitly disclaim as subjective. There's plenty of wrist shots and footage of these combat subs out there, you can make your own judgment on that.)
So, in your opinion, if for example Sinn or Oris should be bought by Invicta, the watches should be of a lower quality? Your video is nothing more that a clickbait IMHO.
If Invicta purchased Sinn + Oris and the watches suddenly started being sold for far less money than before, then I think it would be reasonable to *suspect* the quality may have suffered and ask the question, yes.
@@grymckr And videos with titles like yours, certainly helps keeping the pricing and reputation , does it?
This guy is saying “Lawn jeans” and expects to be taken seriously. The hand looks like plastic? And the lume glows when it shouldn’t? You’re also talking about styling cues, not quality. You’ve managed to post one of the most comically petty comparisons I’ve seen.
Geez lotsa comments Mine this video is NOT Worth commenting on. Oh Whoops.
Clickbait. Yes, Invicta is a cheap Made in China watch brand with shady marketing practices. On the other hand, Glycine continues to be a Swiss brand with quality Swiss-made watches and proprietary movements.
A stupid thesis.
This video is pointless click bait, skip it
Today Invicta is making quartz Glycine subs that are essentially Invicta pro divers with Glycine dials. Yep it got bad.
Go with the devil you know! thats not very Bright!
Invicta fan boys spicy in the commemat
Swatch fan boys can be even worse, believe me.
Dude, no offense, but your review is extremely subjective ... e.g. cheap red plastic second hand on the Glycine? Have you read on what really is made off? Go back and do some research again.
Me, repeatedly in the video: "So aesthetics are obviously subjective, but here's what I think..."
The comments section: THAT'S JUST YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION THOUGH
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think new glycine watches are made with Invicta watch parts. I have some Invicta watches so Im not a hater but it is deceptive if it says swiss but made in china.
Not true.
A lot of BS here. WTF are you on about with lume having to be white? And lume is SUPPOSED to glow. You seem to confuse your design preferences with quality. Also, any watch collector can assess value vs MSRP in terms of specifications, tactile quality and cost. How about we put a POSITIVE spin on this? Maybe look at it this way…”Wow, an ETA 2824-derived Swiss automatic movement, historic name brand, super luminova, sapphire crystal, bronze case, classic 200m dive watch for less than $500? What did Invicta ownership do to make this possible? Well done!”
the pre invicta versions are better
One of the most pointless watch videos ever. Comparing an old Glycine with a post Invicta one could have made some sense but this video made none. Click bait title about a scam is infuriating. What a waste of my time. Longines? Really?
your video title is a scam
This is subjective, you may disagree...
This video sucks basically all around.
It's owned by Invicta, what do you think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "JUNK"
Here's LUCY, Troll comment queen.
Seems to be a lot of fanboys in the comments section. The watch brand is owned by a joke company now, so that makes Glycine a joke company by proxy as well. Don't hate the guy for shedding light on the obvious. We'll see how badly the quality drops in the next years
Shut the fuck up snob.
Scam ? wtf i have 3 watches and they all been great, the watch is MEGA VALUE i dont care who the owners are can be KFC for all i care.