Really pleased to see this from TerraMaster, even though I presently run Qnap TS-855X. Terramaster turns up the heat to further move QNAP along on the software side!
Honestly, I'm a total noob to this nas stuff but comparing the f4-424 to everything else available in it's price range has me quite interested in terramaster. The underdog aspect definitely helps too. You guys rock for nas info btw, I've been devouring your website for the past couple of days. Much thanks from Maryland, USA.
Can you compare Terramaster directly with Asustor. Newer NAS OSs but great hardware for price. See how each has developed the software over the years and if its worth buying into either ecosystem.
would love to hear your thoughts on a comparison between TRAID with mixed sized drives and SHR/SHR2 with mixed drives, does terramaster do data scrubbing too?, also heard some of the big terramasters (12 bay) have metal caddies, is this dangerous for the bare PCB on drives?
Thank you for making my life easier 😃 Please may we have a list of NASs that you can load your own OS onto? Maybe it would make an interesting video? I have a Terramaster F2-423 running Proxmox and it is solid.
How the heck do you enable data scrubbing? It was a no brainer in TOS 5.x I just got my Terramaster so I updated on Day 1. I like TOS 6 and the top bar too.
Upgraded to 6. All looked good until I realised all my folders had disappeared. Tried creating a shared folder but it wouldn’t have it. Tried good old turn it off and on again by signing out and then it kindly permanently locked me out. The NAS shows up on TNAS Uninitialised but it won’t fire up to the sign in page/boot/initialisation 🙁. Tried all I know so having to let Terramaster remotely control my PC/ NAS tomorrow as I don’t know anything about getting into its brain via terminal mode etc.
I have the F4-423, it would be really awesome if they could get something as basic as rSync or any sort of backup service to work reliably. Hey, there's hope!
The first thing I do with amy NAS is test data recovery. With TOS 5 I created an array of 8 TB, 4 TB, 1TB, and 500 GB. Deliberately extreme differences in sizes to test. My test swapping out the 4TB worked great. Recovery took 10 hours, but the system remained alive and fast the full time. However, attempting to swap the 500 GB resulted in a non-recoverable volume. I upgraded to TOS 6, but that could not recover the volume either. I need to test though to see if TOS 6 will actually create the non-recoverable volume. Pitty. Because I think I prefer TOS to unpaid. But if it cannot reliably serve it's primary purpose of protecting my files, what is the point?
Lets have a look what they got Currently have their 6bay running unraid （ like how unraid work as it got less drive spinning when access ) And a teramaster 6bay usb DAS connected to it Consider get one more unit if their TOS got interesting function added in new version
Nice to see the windows staying live and not having to go blank and transparent when moved around. Not a biggie but it makes the Synology UI look very outdated.
That's what a NAS (or other RAID) device is supposed to do when a drive fails. With RAID-6 up to two drives can fail. There's no need for intervention, other than replacing the drive with one of the same capacity (or larger, if you're using a Synology NAS device) and waiting. Note that most NAS systems will allow you to continue using the device while recovering the data.
Is raid 5 work for any drives number, like it will use 1 drive for even 20 drive in the raid? Or is it a ratio, like every 4 drives, 1 drive is parity/ redundancy or whatever they call it?
The RAID numbers basically indicate incremental increases in redundancy in some form or another. RAID 0 = block-level striping, spanning. No redundancy and either disk failure is catastrophic; minimum of two drives RAID 1 = mirrored. Either disk could fail and the other disk can be used to restore the RAID 1 configuration; even number of drives RAID 2 = bit-level striping, similar to RAID 0 - rarely used as the disks must be physically synchronized RAID 3 = byte-level striping, similar to RAID 0 but includes a parity disk - rarely used as the disks must be physically synchronized RAID 4 = single parity disk, block-level striping over multiple disks; not common RAID 5 = distributed parity with block-level striping; single disk failure can be recovered from without preventing access; minimum of three drives RAID 6 = two copies of distributed parity spread over all disks; double disk failure can be recovered from without preventing access; minimum of four drives RAID 10 = RAID 1 + RAID 0; pairs of block-level striped disks that are mirrored; minimum of four drives RAID 50 = RAID 5 + RAID 0; striping of data + parity over multiple disks; minimum of six drives RAID 60 = RAID 6 + RAID 0; striping of data + parity over multiple disks; minimum of eight drives I use RAID 6 (SHR-2) on my Synology systems and TRAID on my TerraMaster, as the promised TRAID+ appears to no longer being developed as all references to it have vanished.
@@khalidaldalalah3403 The maximum number is whatever the capacity of your RAID / NAS box, as the parity information is calculated from all the drives and stored across all the drives. Effectively, one drive provides the parity but, in fact, no single drive has all the parity information. That is, if you have four drives with a capacity of 8TB in RAID5, the available capacity will be 3x8TB = 24TB, but the parity information is on all four drives. Effectively, the parity information is 'striped' across all the drives. If you have eight 10TB drives with RAID6, the available capacity will be 6x10TB = 60TB, as the duplicated parity information is 'striped' over all the drives.
Well, TRAID+ was my motivation for getting a TerraMaster system, and they've finally removed all references to TRAID+ in their documentation... the hardware is fine, but I definitely feel that I experienced a 'bait-and-switch'. If TRAID+ was included in TOS 6 Final, that would help, but I suspect that TRAID+ won't appear until TOS 10 at the earliest...
Yeah, for beta, it looks good IMO. Also of note Ugreen has some interesting NAS hardware on the horizon. Like with other NAS offerings that are not Synology the Ugreen software and OS is a bit S#!t but it’s still worth a look.
They have hdd icons for ssds. That shows lack of attention to detail. Since might say it's not important, but for me it's a red flag. Lack of attention to detail in one area may signal similar lack in other, less visible places. Also, we need a list of shame for ui designers that make small dialog windows which require scrolling when there's a lot of free screen real estate
I am still waiting for the day when a NAS brand doesn't spend unnecessary development time on useless features that much worse than open-source counterparts... (Yes, I am looking at Synology, and that horrible abomination they created as a "docker" manager...)
I’d be very cautious about using the 6 Beta. Seems like it corrupted my USB Boot Chip and they are sending me a new one. Comment was made at first that I should pay for it 😳. Seems they will send it for free now. Perhaps I should have paid extra in the beginning for a Synology as my Terramaster has been a pain since I bought it 😤
They kept palming me off saying just reload the system and I had to keep saying -I would if I could but it won’t let me in. They said it’s showing the wrong IP address and I had to tell them that TNAS does that if it can’t see the NAS. I was starting to think who do I send it back to Amazon who I purchased it from or Terramaster. I don’t think they were keen when I suggested sending the box of **** back to them 😂
Fairly speaking, when we participated in the TOS 6 beta testing, we had already agreed to the terms of TerraMaster. We clearly understood that it was a beta test version, and we consented to report bugs to them and not to disseminate these bugs as propaganda.
Really pleased to see this from TerraMaster, even though I presently run Qnap TS-855X. Terramaster turns up the heat to further move QNAP along on the software side!
This! Keep QNAP on their toes.
Thanks for the video/especially the disclaimer
Same aha, now I will wait until it's out of beta.
Honestly, I'm a total noob to this nas stuff but comparing the f4-424 to everything else available in it's price range has me quite interested in terramaster. The underdog aspect definitely helps too. You guys rock for nas info btw, I've been devouring your website for the past couple of days. Much thanks from Maryland, USA.
Thanks for the kind words mate! Appreciated
Can you compare Terramaster directly with Asustor. Newer NAS OSs but great hardware for price. See how each has developed the software over the years and if its worth buying into either ecosystem.
would love to hear your thoughts on a comparison between TRAID with mixed sized drives and SHR/SHR2 with mixed drives, does terramaster do data scrubbing too?, also heard some of the big terramasters (12 bay) have metal caddies, is this dangerous for the bare PCB on drives?
Thank you for making my life easier 😃
Please may we have a list of NASs that you can load your own OS onto?
Maybe it would make an interesting video?
I have a Terramaster F2-423 running Proxmox and it is solid.
Good Day,
Can you do some homework on the Storaxa Kickstarter NAS?
How the heck do you enable data scrubbing? It was a no brainer in TOS 5.x I just got my Terramaster so I updated on Day 1. I like TOS 6 and the top bar too.
Upgraded to 6. All looked good until I realised all my folders had disappeared. Tried creating a shared folder but it wouldn’t have it. Tried good old turn it off and on again by signing out and then it kindly permanently locked me out. The NAS shows up on TNAS Uninitialised but it won’t fire up to the sign in page/boot/initialisation 🙁. Tried all I know so having to let Terramaster remotely control my PC/ NAS tomorrow as I don’t know anything about getting into its brain via terminal mode etc.
Just got the F2-423 and trying to decide if i want to give TOS a go or just go right into like TrueNAS or Unraid
I have the F4-423, it would be really awesome if they could get something as basic as rSync or any sort of backup service to work reliably. Hey, there's hope!
That OS is so beautiful and clean I want to switch from Synology. Just hesitant after their nas units were hit with ransomware a few years ago
The first thing I do with amy NAS is test data recovery. With TOS 5 I created an array of 8 TB, 4 TB, 1TB, and 500 GB. Deliberately extreme differences in sizes to test. My test swapping out the 4TB worked great. Recovery took 10 hours, but the system remained alive and fast the full time. However, attempting to swap the 500 GB resulted in a non-recoverable volume. I upgraded to TOS 6, but that could not recover the volume either. I need to test though to see if TOS 6 will actually create the non-recoverable volume.
Pitty. Because I think I prefer TOS to unpaid. But if it cannot reliably serve it's primary purpose of protecting my files, what is the point?
Lets have a look what they got
Currently have their 6bay running unraid （ like how unraid work as it got less drive spinning when access )
And a teramaster 6bay usb DAS connected to it
Consider get one more unit if their TOS got interesting function added in new version
Nice to see the windows staying live and not having to go blank and transparent when moved around. Not a biggie but it makes the Synology UI look very outdated.
How can i recover the data if i lose a drive in raid 5? Or is it the nas recover it for me when i replace the drive?
That's what a NAS (or other RAID) device is supposed to do when a drive fails.
With RAID-6 up to two drives can fail.
There's no need for intervention, other than replacing the drive with one of the same capacity (or larger, if you're using a Synology NAS device) and waiting.
Note that most NAS systems will allow you to continue using the device while recovering the data.
Is raid 5 work for any drives number, like it will use 1 drive for even 20 drive in the raid?
Or is it a ratio, like every 4 drives, 1 drive is parity/ redundancy or whatever they call it?
The RAID numbers basically indicate incremental increases in redundancy in some form or another.
RAID 0 = block-level striping, spanning. No redundancy and either disk failure is catastrophic; minimum of two drives
RAID 1 = mirrored. Either disk could fail and the other disk can be used to restore the RAID 1 configuration; even number of drives
RAID 2 = bit-level striping, similar to RAID 0 - rarely used as the disks must be physically synchronized
RAID 3 = byte-level striping, similar to RAID 0 but includes a parity disk - rarely used as the disks must be physically synchronized
RAID 4 = single parity disk, block-level striping over multiple disks; not common
RAID 5 = distributed parity with block-level striping; single disk failure can be recovered from without preventing access; minimum of three drives
RAID 6 = two copies of distributed parity spread over all disks; double disk failure can be recovered from without preventing access; minimum of four drives
RAID 10 = RAID 1 + RAID 0; pairs of block-level striped disks that are mirrored; minimum of four drives
RAID 50 = RAID 5 + RAID 0; striping of data + parity over multiple disks; minimum of six drives
RAID 60 = RAID 6 + RAID 0; striping of data + parity over multiple disks; minimum of eight drives
I use RAID 6 (SHR-2) on my Synology systems and TRAID on my TerraMaster, as the promised TRAID+ appears to no longer being developed as all references to it have vanished.
Minimum of 3 drive in raid 5, what is the maximum number? And how many drive they use for redundancy?
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If u may answer
Minimum of 3 drive in raid 5, what is the maximum number? And how many drive they use for redundancy?
@@khalidaldalalah3403 The maximum number is whatever the capacity of your RAID / NAS box, as the parity information is calculated from all the drives and stored across all the drives.
Effectively, one drive provides the parity but, in fact, no single drive has all the parity information.
That is, if you have four drives with a capacity of 8TB in RAID5, the available capacity will be 3x8TB = 24TB, but the parity information is on all four drives.
Effectively, the parity information is 'striped' across all the drives.
If you have eight 10TB drives with RAID6, the available capacity will be 6x10TB = 60TB, as the duplicated parity information is 'striped' over all the drives.
@@normanjaffe2890
It's clear now, thank you my friend
I am waiting for a TOS that doesn't trash your system in some way when you install it and require a masters degree in Linux to fix it....
Ditto!
Well, TRAID+ was my motivation for getting a TerraMaster system, and they've finally removed all references to TRAID+ in their documentation... the hardware is fine, but I definitely feel that I experienced a 'bait-and-switch'.
If TRAID+ was included in TOS 6 Final, that would help, but I suspect that TRAID+ won't appear until TOS 10 at the earliest...
Yeah, for beta, it looks good IMO. Also of note Ugreen has some interesting NAS hardware on the horizon. Like with other NAS offerings that are not Synology the Ugreen software and OS is a bit S#!t but it’s still worth a look.
Have you look at UGREEN NASync DXP4800 Plus Series
They have hdd icons for ssds. That shows lack of attention to detail. Since might say it's not important, but for me it's a red flag. Lack of attention to detail in one area may signal similar lack in other, less visible places.
Also, we need a list of shame for ui designers that make small dialog windows which require scrolling when there's a lot of free screen real estate
We have to remember this is BETA software.
I am still waiting for the day when a NAS brand doesn't spend unnecessary development time on useless features that much worse than open-source counterparts... (Yes, I am looking at Synology, and that horrible abomination they created as a "docker" manager...)
Add Qnap and their Container Manager (for Docker) to the list. Great if it worked, but can't even load in environmental variables? :(
I’d be very cautious about using the 6 Beta. Seems like it corrupted my USB Boot Chip and they are sending me a new one. Comment was made at first that I should pay for it 😳. Seems they will send it for free now. Perhaps I should have paid extra in the beginning for a Synology as my Terramaster has been a pain since I bought it 😤
Wait...what?! That's crazy town. Thank you for sharing with other users man
They kept palming me off saying just reload the system and I had to keep saying -I would if I could but it won’t let me in. They said it’s showing the wrong IP address and I had to tell them that TNAS does that if it can’t see the NAS. I was starting to think who do I send it back to Amazon who I purchased it from or Terramaster. I don’t think they were keen when I suggested sending the box of **** back to them 😂
Fairly speaking, when we participated in the TOS 6 beta testing, we had already agreed to the terms of TerraMaster. We clearly understood that it was a beta test version, and we consented to report bugs to them and not to disseminate these bugs as propaganda.