This is the video I was waiting for. Would you also consider making a video on the process of transferring data from one brand to another? Also, excellent movie choices! C'mon! Network? The Room? That's cinema gold. 🙂
I'm on my 3rd Synology in 15 years... I know it is far behind on hardware, but I need an easy non-techy solution that is just safe, always works and is easy to manage and upgrade. If I move to something else; I have to move 24TB so buy or loan new Disk space? If I move to something else, I have to learn/find how to setup dockers, vpn, firewall, sub-domains with certificates, media-server, pc-backup, cloud-sync, mobile apps, etc. etc. For me not worth to switch; months of headaches I'm just a user, not a tech nerd brewing my own solutions...
Synology needs to up their game before folks bail out on the brand due to the wimpy hardware. DSM won't keep them above water forever if the hardware doesn't keep up. As far as Synology focusing on enterprise.. I've worked the enterprise storage world for over 25 years.. (think EMC, Dell, Data Domain, Isilon, etc..) Synology is nowhere near that class and will not survive.
Agree Fully !!!! Synology has exactly Zero corporate relationships with enterprise which like you I have decades of experience with ...if you look at Dell/EMC they tied in nearly everything into one major contract .... Synology just can never compete with that
@pfitz4881 It will keep them afloat as they still sell stuff, as they screwed you to buy ridiculously overpriced HD and m2s. But they damaged the brand, it has been 4 years of this crap, and many have left and will not come back. The window is clos3d at this point and they clearly do not care anyways about smb and prosumer. The competition is fierce right now in smb, there won't be a lot of room if they want to compete again and it will be based on price and they dont like doing that. All the while getting no where against Dell and emc. They did it to themselves. They lost there mind...
The thing is, may be they just aren't that interested in the "folks" small change transactions anymore and what they really want is some of that "The Man's" big sweet mega bucks! I really don't know if that's the case, but I really hope it isn't. But you've got to admit, it's sort of beginning to look that way!
You bring up good points, but I disagree fully in that QNAP isn't ready to take over the spot. They have, literally most consultants I talked to switched to QNAP from Synology. 4 years is a longtime to bring up security, why not talk about the bots hitting synology now. We all can have an opinion, but in the tech world for smb in the US, QNAP has gained. It is very charitable to say Synology hardware is boring. The 464 is boring, the 423 is a joke...
I dont understand how Synology can fuck this up. It is pretty simple, stop selling a calculator with a whistle at the same price as real hardware. All they have to do is refresh their line up with proper NIC and cpu done
Seems so simple to do and yet here we are. 2 years ago they could have saved it buy just easing restrictions and not rebadging old hardware. The 423 was my last straw with them. After years of abuse and nickel and diming. They could have released something like the 453e which would have made sense and charge 100 more for it. The 923 really doesn't perform, it doesn't serve a real purpose as they now compete against a different market with the cpu. On paper more business but in reality when you add a pool and syno hard drives and syno memory and 10gbe, you now can buy a zfs solution that is much better. They just don't make sense anymore. Priced themselves out of market and made too many headaches along the way.
The best of both worlds is to use a more modern NAS like the Ugreen and then run Xpenology DSM on top of that. That's what I'm doing right now and it's great.
@mitchellsmith4601 To be fair for most things qts has the same or better than dsm, 3rd party sure. But for a business that needs dockers, meetings, collaboration, etc. From the user perspective qts is similar. It will likely be faster on qts given that hardware. So as a deployed solution qts and dsm is a give and take. Going to mid, hero with zfs is a much better choice. qts has evolved a lot in 4 years, they added bit defender to the core os for security and buttoned up the issues.
@mitchellsmith4601 It is a new product in some regards. They put a lot of effort into the os and security over the last 4 years, unlike my friends at synology that just tried to squeeze every nickel out of my pocket for 1999 and 2019 tech and silly overpriced drives and m2s. Qts is a great option for smb now, really the best performing value for business and prosumer. Deploy and forget and for the user it is a good experience.
@mitchellsmith4601 i frankly would have thought this would have been covered many months ago.. odd. 5.2 has been out for weeks, and Bitdefender was introduced into the os months ago. Works great, had it flag me a few times for mass copies and deletions. The firewall does report a lot of flash positives in the log, it is sensitive to network broadcasts from some print drivers. Nothing is perfect but qts has had a massive effort to fix it and it works well. Also funny that they weren't acknowledged for any of it. Oh well...
I was initially excited but no. maybe after people volunteer to beta test for few years, then I will trust it with my data. Surely, having your camera feeds shared to some random unifi user is one thing but my data? now that's something else.
I expect to replace my old Synology 218+ with a Terramaster F4-424 , possibly the pro model, if there are some good deals come black friday if i don't like TOS 6 i'll install Truenas/Unraid/OMV on it instead
The longer I have my Synology NAS, with all the questions that I’ve had and the elusive answers, I think I’m just going to forego remote access and go back to a portable usb drive. I just can’t be bothered with trying to understand the complex world of NAS and all the drawbacks. In my case, the learning curve and knowledge required to run a NAS are overkill. In fact I’m relieved to realise that I’ll exit the NAS and the headaches.
Just a reminder for anyone considering brands from Mainland China, it is written in China's law that all passwords belong to the government. So, good luck.
And all your data stored in USA are accessible by US government agencies, by they was because storing EU citizens data in US Meta was fined 1.2 billion euros by the European Union's highest court with explanation that Facebook data shipped across the Atlantic was not sufficiently protected from American spy agencies. By the way all know Huawei had backdoor in it equipment in Italy but all forget to read whole text, backdoor was there by request of Italian government (and there is no proof that Chinese government ever used it but was possible). And there is always case of Cisco that at average have at least 3-4 backdoor at all time, when security experts detect one Cisco patch that one and open new.
I don’t have any UniFi equipment yet, but have been following the brand and its development for some time. I am currently okay with my 6-bay Synology NAS running hybrid RAID with 4 TB drives, one of which is a hot spare. At this point, however, I only use the NAS for storage, no media server and no surveillance, although I plan to add the later at some point. A UniFi NAS solution might be the thing that finally pushed me into their total ecosystem, as I don’t really make use of most of what DSM has to offer.
Thank you very much for your informative video. You describe exactly what I went through with my IT company. We liked to use the Synology platform because it provided good support for our SOHO environment. But Synology doesn't offer an affordable path for our growing needs. Our minimum requirement is an 8 core 16 thread processor. 32G memory as a minimum. Only then can we get started with virtualization. That doesn't have to cost capital either. In the end, I found the solution in DIY Proxmox systems. AMD Ryzen 5 5600G is already a breath of fresh air compared to what Synology can offer you. Costs are not too bad at all. The migration for a professional is also not too dramatic. A Kerio Connect or Mailenable runs smoothly on this as an Exchange alternative. You can even run two MS SQL servers on it. Albeit under light load. My conclusion is that Synology no longer serves the prosumer/soho market. For the lightweight users, there are plenty of alternatives. For the more demanding users, Proxmox offers, at least that's how I feel, so much better experience that I wonder why didn't I switch sooner? But everyone has their own choice that we must understand and respect.
I *think* I'm still happy that I learnt the TrueNAS solution, built a SuperMicro based system that does what I need, though Synology has a lot of features that I like the look of, like the photo and security camera one. The one thing that appealed to me was that I could build or buy almost any machine to run TrueNAS if the 24/7 server went bang, I wouldn't be dependant on buying another Synology. Mind you, they seem very reliable from what I've heard. Electric Eel version of TrueNAS Scale is amazingly good compared to almost any other release, though I've not put it into production as yet, but have tinkered.
The video didn't really answer the question in it's title, it just gave the same options any watcher of this channel would know are available. The insinuation, whether intentional or not, was that Synology are the best which kind of defeats the point. For me the exciting one would be Ubiquiti, I already run the network hardware and love it. I've had Terramaster, they aren't there yet (running TOS 5). QNAP have suffered too many security issues, UGreen are too new and lack availability. So I considered Asustor and self-build as the only viable options. My choice for now is the 6 bay Lockerstore gen 2 but I'm still looking at setting up a test self-build to see if I like it. Synology are done for prosumers in my opinion, the weak hardware has overtaken their software advantage... and they appear keen to chip away at that software advantage in recent releases. I echo roocrew86: I dont understand how Synology has fucked this up
I think they will stay in the home as they are simple for beginners. Bye bye smb and prosumer, they managed to sabotage themselves. Gotta hand it to them, they did what the competition couldn't do. If they just would have relaxed some of the nonsense for their branded hardware and release something like the 464 or 453e, instead of a 920 again 4 years later. They would have been good. Oh well...
I love my Synology 1821+. This is a great, easy to use machine. If you’re a prosumer, you should just be building your own NAS with Unraid or TrueNAS anyways. I have one DIY NAS with Unraid and my 1821+. Love them both. I would have no issue buying another Synology to supplement if needed.
With ZFS comming to old and new QNAP units, plus Intel platform on QNAPs with min 2.5 NICs and no Intel with new Synology NAS'es, it is right time to say GOOD BYE SYNOLOGY 😀
I think a good video would be to show apps competition. I mean, ACB in another brands, how it would work ? Hyperbackup, snapshot replication, usb-copy. And how much these other solutions are reliable..
Unless Synology releases a mini form factor NAS with two (or more) M.2 drives, I won't even consider getting another Synology. I haven't used HDDs for many years.
One of the thing SME can do is go for low end servers from the likes of DELL Supermicro etc, where they get all the enterprise hardware & warranty and can bring UnRAID/TrueNAS onto the box. Of course you can go and get 2nd user enterprise stuff as well - then you can get not only 10Gb but 100 Gb
Well, Synology started dropping codecs for video so I tried UniFi Protect. Guess what, I liked UniFi Protect more so I’ve switched. If they keep dropping other important things, I may have to move on.
I've been using the Buffalo Terrastion for years. Ran their LinkStation for years also. Security isn't a huge deal, they have the features I need, and they are simple to set up. Not so fast though. I've recently set up a bigger TrueNAS 5Gbs system to replace my old NAS's but there is a definite learning curve. Cost matters.
Consultants have left Synology as they dont provide value anymore. The software is good, but QNAP caught up and past in things that matter. The pricing makes zero sense if you use all branded stuff as your being forced to. Once the solution is deployed you rarely log in to even enjoy the fast ui, QNAP just makes so much more sense for smb and prosumer now.
Nobody should ever buy Ubiquiti equipment, despite them having probably the best user interface in the market. They don’t take security seriously, and their support is nonexistent. I wouldn’t use their products if they were free.
If UNIFI goes for the NAS space I hope they just implement a SAMBA server with user/quotas management on a 1U or 2U platform. A UNIFI NAS would be beautiful... as any other UNIFI equipment. All I want and need from a NAS is storage space. Server functionality I get from my own systems with Linux (virtual machines, Nextcloud, etc.). These systems can also be used as a NAS if needed. Hence, SYNOLOGY devices are useless to me.
With the backing of ASUS after the Intel NUC takeover ...I think ASUSTOR is best placed to take over the SMB/PROSUME space....much bigger company then ALL of these combined !
@ThePaulpope Great point, I'm watching them. Hope they added a lot into the OS for apps and provide zfs and a high end nas like the h874. That would be awesome! M2 flash is just niche for my needs still. The capacity and pricepoint isn't there. So never played with their flashstor.
Perhaps a merger between Unify and either QNAP or Asustor? Unify could help close the security issues. My impression (without hands on experience) is that Docker is more uptodate on Asustor.
I've been a Synology customer since 2009 but recently they've been really disappointing. I was hesitating to try QNAP and I'm getting more and more tempted. If they really are now focusing on businesses, I will most likely look somewhere else...
Go QNAP, once you get used to it you'll be good. They make really good hardware and software and have huge amounts of 3rd party stuff that is good. If you look at what they do for the price it is a great value...
As far as I'm concerned, WD makes NAS's... network attached storage devices. I have a perfectly functional EX4100 that does it's job beautifully, which is to store data and nothing else 😁. SYNOLOGY makes all round servers that also have NAS functionality as an added bonus...
Since 2020 the writing has been on the wall that Synology have shifted towards enterprise stuff. Pre-COVID their hardware for home users was excellent and their software was very much the best. Peaked around the DSX20+ models.
I think Synology is moving their consumer products to their Bee Station series. I'm still keeping an ear out with Eufy jumping on the consumer level Nas that will tie into their home security ecosystem.
I feel dirty and sad in equal measure saying it, but if Unifi came out with a NAS with an OS even close to par with DSM on it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat! In the meantime, whilst all the others tempt me as little projects pieces, as for trusting any of them with my data, work etc, well they might be a bit less exciting, and certainly less empowered, but I'll be sticking with Synology! Served me well for the last 12 years, I just hope they don't really start ignoring me!
a simple way I explain Synology and Qnap is that Synology is Nas market Apple, just works with good features and software, but are locked and expensive. Qnap you get a lot of hardware for the money compared, you can tweak it like an android phone and it is much more compatible with more brands of hardware.
@HallesHit great point but apple would typically use one gen behind Intel, our friends at synology use much older and crappier hardware to maximize profit. I mean the rebadged 920 aka 423, Apple even in it worst time would not stoop so low.
I wish one of these brands would go to the market and actually ask them what we want in a device. Then we would finally see 10GbE and devices with ECC RAM.
For me QNAP has done what you asked, even provided the spec you want. Given Hero has ZFS, ecc isn't important and 2.5 in multichannel for most smb applications is good in that tier. Qnap has been responding to my complaints where Synology has ignored them. Ymmv with any brand but for my needs qnap is a good fit.
@@Nasguy-b7q 2.5 is not 10GbE no amount of lying and BS marketeering will change that. 1GbE and 2.5GbE tells me immediately they've done 0 market research and don't listen to their customers.
@@ericneo2ok, we can different then on that one. 10gbe is standard on a good share of their devices that makes sense. I will hand it to you with the h874 getting 2.5 until you get fastest processor is a money grab for sure, but again it is an option. I would much rather the vendor force me to buy any generic 10gbe and perhaps m2s combo for more pool,tier, ai, or cache then what synology has done. Looking at the sheer number of options in the lineup and that many small smb never will use beyond 5.x be anyways. The files are a just 2 small for 3 users. So 2.5 be is a cheap and good solution for that market. Again much better than 1gbe from my friends at synology. Once you break into larger clients or needs 10gbe is important. My complaints I had with qnap have mostly been addressed as they listened to us, again much better than Synology as they didn't.
I still use my first Synology NAS from 10 years ago. It's been good for a starter NAS. Inexpensive and just works. But the old hardware can't handle more than the most basic NAS functions. Soon as I do anything, the CPU spikes to max usage and won't come down. I'm ready for an upgrade and I want a NAS that's more powerful than what Synology offers. I really like the Synology software, but I don't like the old, weak hardware in their NAS offerings. I have a QNAP spec'd out, but security concerns is definitely an issue. I need to research this before spending $3500 on a new NAS.
@@jasperverkroost Correct. That's the cost for everything. $2000 for the QNAP NAS. $1300 for the drives (assuming the drive prices don't change). Plus tax, etc. it will probably be a bit over $3600.
@Uberragen21 I can tell you the h874 is the best nas in this tier I have ever seen. QNAP is just as secure as Synology now. They added bit defender right into the OS and have tightened it all up. I gave up on Synolgy and QNAP is a bit more technical but not bad. But it does whatever you need it to do. You will be very satisfied,
Way too expensive and geared towards professional use, not home power users. They have a newer offering that is geared towards the home power user. It sounds interesting, but it's not even listed on their website as of September 2024.
Software, is important as well. You don't want a syncing solution that says synced with half of the files missing on the other side without telling you.
Agree nice clean os that is snappy. But after using hybrid backup 3 for a while, it is very powerful and you can create elaborate backup methodologies. Solid competition to active backup for business.
The TLDR ... even thougth I watched every second: - No one else has the turnkey package Synology has, - Although it would be fun, I dont want the headache and potential maintenance of a DUI, - I have a DS-918 in our home server, no business, no prosumer or enterprise needs, its just about safe storage of our families digital life, - sure its not bleeding edge, not fastest around, but its also not got the recent problems of drive and other hardware compatibility etc ... so Im not doing a darn thing until this one actually implodes and fails to start ... I'll worry about it ... and likely watch me some more Robbie ... when that time comes.
I also have a 918+, six years after buying the NAS it is still going strong, for me that is enough to stay with Synology, unless they would completely stop making prosumer NAS-devices.
I’m trying to move away from my old WD My Book to a NAS, was going to go with Synology but I’m not happy with the direction the company is going in - Currently it’s between UGreen and whatever Ubiquity come out with - UGreen I can’t buy yet because I’m in the UK and Ubiquity hasn’t released theirs yet either, so I’m a bit in limbo at the moment.
I Purchased Synology because it reminded me of my apple products with ease of use , but with my Plex 4K HD library growing the CPU has being found wanting(especially when watching at work ) .I have even paid down on zettlab crowd fund NAS item . I have essentially tried to avoid building my own ,but TH-cam as inspired me to go for it . Got my Trunas start up USB sorted and slowly going to build one . Erying (embedded CPU)motherboard ordered (after watching you video )and gonna go for it . Its the only way I'm going to be truly satisfied.
Have you tried the recent update of Terramaster Tos6? If so working good ? Looking to get a terramaster and if i should just use tos6 :) only planning to use plex and backup photos for mobiles
But where are the seagulls, something happened to them?
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This is the video I was waiting for. Would you also consider making a video on the process of transferring data from one brand to another? Also, excellent movie choices! C'mon! Network? The Room? That's cinema gold. 🙂
I'm on my 3rd Synology in 15 years...
I know it is far behind on hardware, but I need an easy non-techy solution that is just safe, always works and is easy to manage and upgrade.
If I move to something else; I have to move 24TB so buy or loan new Disk space?
If I move to something else, I have to learn/find how to setup dockers, vpn, firewall, sub-domains with certificates, media-server, pc-backup, cloud-sync, mobile apps, etc. etc.
For me not worth to switch; months of headaches
I'm just a user, not a tech nerd brewing my own solutions...
Synology needs to up their game before folks bail out on the brand due to the wimpy hardware. DSM won't keep them above water forever if the hardware doesn't keep up. As far as Synology focusing on enterprise.. I've worked the enterprise storage world for over 25 years.. (think EMC, Dell, Data Domain, Isilon, etc..) Synology is nowhere near that class and will not survive.
Agree fully.
Totally agree
Agree Fully !!!! Synology has exactly Zero corporate relationships with enterprise which like you I have decades of experience with ...if you look at Dell/EMC they tied in nearly everything into one major contract .... Synology just can never compete with that
@pfitz4881 It will keep them afloat as they still sell stuff, as they screwed you to buy ridiculously overpriced HD and m2s. But they damaged the brand, it has been 4 years of this crap, and many have left and will not come back. The window is clos3d at this point and they clearly do not care anyways about smb and prosumer. The competition is fierce right now in smb, there won't be a lot of room if they want to compete again and it will be based on price and they dont like doing that. All the while getting no where against Dell and emc. They did it to themselves. They lost there mind...
The thing is, may be they just aren't that interested in the "folks" small change transactions anymore and what they really want is some of that "The Man's" big sweet mega bucks! I really don't know if that's the case, but I really hope it isn't. But you've got to admit, it's sort of beginning to look that way!
Not a turnkey solution like
Synology/DSM but Terramster’s hardware with Unraid OS makes for a compelling solution for some people.
ugreen with unraid too
@@junior-OG Indeed. Both good options and it’s great to have choices at that level.
My current Synology systems will be my last. I was a happy customer for many years with several servers but not any longer.
You bring up good points, but I disagree fully in that QNAP isn't ready to take over the spot. They have, literally most consultants I talked to switched to QNAP from Synology. 4 years is a longtime to bring up security, why not talk about the bots hitting synology now. We all can have an opinion, but in the tech world for smb in the US, QNAP has gained. It is very charitable to say Synology hardware is boring. The 464 is boring, the 423 is a joke...
Why not talk about it? Because MONEY :D They're clearly either paid by them directly or are hoping will be paid/benefit from kissing their asses.
I dont understand how Synology can fuck this up. It is pretty simple, stop selling a calculator with a whistle at the same price as real hardware. All they have to do is refresh their line up with proper NIC and cpu
done
Seems so simple to do and yet here we are. 2 years ago they could have saved it buy just easing restrictions and not rebadging old hardware. The 423 was my last straw with them. After years of abuse and nickel and diming. They could have released something like the 453e which would have made sense and charge 100 more for it. The 923 really doesn't perform, it doesn't serve a real purpose as they now compete against a different market with the cpu. On paper more business but in reality when you add a pool and syno hard drives and syno memory and 10gbe, you now can buy a zfs solution that is much better. They just don't make sense anymore. Priced themselves out of market and made too many headaches along the way.
Synology is so far behind on the hardware side for consumers it’s sad.
Yeah but 90% of user will still choose them, because they have no idea about hardware and they want easy reliable system to set and forget
The best of both worlds is to use a more modern NAS like the Ugreen and then run Xpenology DSM on top of that. That's what I'm doing right now and it's great.
@@aznhomigxpenology is like a hackintosh - violates T&C's for Synology.... As Synology DSM cannot "legally" be run on non Synology hardware...
@@hkhan1989 😉
But I still like them for DSM, their support and their almost indestructable NAS-devices.
I think DSM > QTS/QuTS Hero, but ZFS > BTRFS.
@mitchellsmith4601 To be fair for most things qts has the same or better than dsm, 3rd party sure. But for a business that needs dockers, meetings, collaboration, etc. From the user perspective qts is similar. It will likely be faster on qts given that hardware. So as a deployed solution qts and dsm is a give and take. Going to mid, hero with zfs is a much better choice. qts has evolved a lot in 4 years, they added bit defender to the core os for security and buttoned up the issues.
Thanks, Bitdefender is better than nothing. I didn’t know QNAP included that.
@mitchellsmith4601 It is a new product in some regards. They put a lot of effort into the os and security over the last 4 years, unlike my friends at synology that just tried to squeeze every nickel out of my pocket for 1999 and 2019 tech and silly overpriced drives and m2s. Qts is a great option for smb now, really the best performing value for business and prosumer. Deploy and forget and for the user it is a good experience.
@mitchellsmith4601 i frankly would have thought this would have been covered many months ago.. odd. 5.2 has been out for weeks, and Bitdefender was introduced into the os months ago. Works great, had it flag me a few times for mass copies and deletions. The firewall does report a lot of flash positives in the log, it is sensitive to network broadcasts from some print drivers. Nothing is perfect but qts has had a massive effort to fix it and it works well. Also funny that they weren't acknowledged for any of it. Oh well...
Unifi Nas would be amazing.
I am still waiting for it as well...
I was initially excited but no. maybe after people volunteer to beta test for few years, then I will trust it with my data. Surely, having your camera feeds shared to some random unifi user is one thing but my data? now that's something else.
I expect to replace my old Synology 218+ with a Terramaster F4-424 , possibly the pro model, if there are some good deals come black friday
if i don't like TOS 6 i'll install Truenas/Unraid/OMV on it instead
The longer I have my Synology NAS, with all the questions that I’ve had and the elusive answers, I think I’m just going to forego remote access and go back to a portable usb drive. I just can’t be bothered with trying to understand the complex world of NAS and all the drawbacks. In my case, the learning curve and knowledge required to run a NAS are overkill. In fact I’m relieved to realise that I’ll exit the NAS and the headaches.
I’m a home user. Sadly, my next NAS (5 years away) is unlikely to be Synology.
Synology killing usb support is a shit show
FYI if you use a usb hub it delete partitions on all but one drive
same on a multi Drive enclosure
TrueNAS, QNAP, 45 drives, DIY, etc there are a lot of options.
QNAP if you need Video surveillance and DIY NAS if you just need a place to storage data.
If I could get DSM on a nonsynology system I would be very interested in doing so :)
Just a reminder for anyone considering brands from Mainland China, it is written in China's law that all passwords belong to the government. So, good luck.
And all your data stored in USA are accessible by US government agencies, by they was because storing EU citizens data in US Meta was fined 1.2 billion euros by the European Union's highest court with explanation that Facebook data shipped across the Atlantic was not sufficiently protected from American spy agencies.
By the way all know Huawei had backdoor in it equipment in Italy but all forget to read whole text, backdoor was there by request of Italian government (and there is no proof that Chinese government ever used it but was possible).
And there is always case of Cisco that at average have at least 3-4 backdoor at all time, when security experts detect one Cisco patch that one and open new.
Hi,
Is QNAP TS-253D 8gb ram (used) for 140 usd a good deal???
Yes, depending what you use it for. Will be good for Plex and importantly can use 5.2 qts.
it desapears the only synology advantage
I don’t have any UniFi equipment yet, but have been following the brand and its development for some time. I am currently okay with my 6-bay Synology NAS running hybrid RAID with 4 TB drives, one of which is a hot spare. At this point, however, I only use the NAS for storage, no media server and no surveillance, although I plan to add the later at some point. A UniFi NAS solution might be the thing that finally pushed me into their total ecosystem, as I don’t really make use of most of what DSM has to offer.
Terramaster with unraid, got my F4-423 with 64gb of ram, 2 x NVMe and 4 x 10tb drives, its great 👌
Thank you very much for your informative video.
You describe exactly what I went through with my IT company.
We liked to use the Synology platform because it provided good support for our SOHO environment.
But Synology doesn't offer an affordable path for our growing needs.
Our minimum requirement is an 8 core 16 thread processor. 32G memory as a minimum.
Only then can we get started with virtualization. That doesn't have to cost capital either.
In the end, I found the solution in DIY Proxmox systems. AMD Ryzen 5 5600G is already a breath of fresh air compared to what Synology can offer you.
Costs are not too bad at all. The migration for a professional is also not too dramatic.
A Kerio Connect or Mailenable runs smoothly on this as an Exchange alternative. You can even run two MS SQL servers on it. Albeit under light load.
My conclusion is that Synology no longer serves the prosumer/soho market.
For the lightweight users, there are plenty of alternatives.
For the more demanding users, Proxmox offers, at least that's how I feel, so much better experience that I wonder why didn't I switch sooner?
But everyone has their own choice that we must understand and respect.
Why are there no US or European start-ups trying enter the NAS space...
For home and prosumuer anya alternative must have hybrid Raid. Money and old HDD reuse is one point that can kill alternatives....
Anyone knows why obsolete WDMyCloud devices are so overpriced?!. Particularly PR2100 & PR4100
I *think* I'm still happy that I learnt the TrueNAS solution, built a SuperMicro based system that does what I need, though Synology has a lot of features that I like the look of, like the photo and security camera one. The one thing that appealed to me was that I could build or buy almost any machine to run TrueNAS if the 24/7 server went bang, I wouldn't be dependant on buying another Synology. Mind you, they seem very reliable from what I've heard.
Electric Eel version of TrueNAS Scale is amazingly good compared to almost any other release, though I've not put it into production as yet, but have tinkered.
The video didn't really answer the question in it's title, it just gave the same options any watcher of this channel would know are available. The insinuation, whether intentional or not, was that Synology are the best which kind of defeats the point.
For me the exciting one would be Ubiquiti, I already run the network hardware and love it.
I've had Terramaster, they aren't there yet (running TOS 5). QNAP have suffered too many security issues, UGreen are too new and lack availability. So I considered Asustor and self-build as the only viable options. My choice for now is the 6 bay Lockerstore gen 2 but I'm still looking at setting up a test self-build to see if I like it.
Synology are done for prosumers in my opinion, the weak hardware has overtaken their software advantage... and they appear keen to chip away at that software advantage in recent releases.
I echo roocrew86: I dont understand how Synology has fucked this up
By by Synology from home market🤕
I think they will stay in the home as they are simple for beginners. Bye bye smb and prosumer, they managed to sabotage themselves. Gotta hand it to them, they did what the competition couldn't do. If they just would have relaxed some of the nonsense for their branded hardware and release something like the 464 or 453e, instead of a 920 again 4 years later. They would have been good. Oh well...
I love my Synology 1821+. This is a great, easy to use machine. If you’re a prosumer, you should just be building your own NAS with Unraid or TrueNAS anyways. I have one DIY NAS with Unraid and my 1821+. Love them both. I would have no issue buying another Synology to supplement if needed.
I would have completely understood if you had not included DIY solutions. But I was sure glad to see the inclusion of DIY/BYO ! Thank you!
With ZFS comming to old and new QNAP units, plus Intel platform on QNAPs with min 2.5 NICs and no Intel with new Synology NAS'es, it is right time to say GOOD BYE SYNOLOGY 😀
I think a good video would be to show apps competition.
I mean, ACB in another brands, how it would work ?
Hyperbackup, snapshot replication, usb-copy.
And how much these other solutions are reliable..
I'm really disappointed and have concern on the direction of Synology.
Unless Synology releases a mini form factor NAS with two (or more) M.2 drives, I won't even consider getting another Synology. I haven't used HDDs for many years.
I’m same looking at alternatives so this vid was helpful thanks. Iam waiting for asustor flashstore gen 2!
If I want Thunderbolt and 10 GbE, Synology doesn’t deliver, only QNAP does that.
It is available just optional
I am running 25GbE with my 1821+
One of the thing SME can do is go for low end servers from the likes of DELL Supermicro etc, where they get all the enterprise hardware & warranty and can bring UnRAID/TrueNAS onto the box. Of course you can go and get 2nd user enterprise stuff as well - then you can get not only 10Gb but 100 Gb
Well, Synology started dropping codecs for video so I tried UniFi Protect.
Guess what, I liked UniFi Protect more so I’ve switched.
If they keep dropping other important things, I may have to move on.
What about a DIY hardware and Xpenology?
I've been using the Buffalo Terrastion for years. Ran their LinkStation for years also. Security isn't a huge deal, they have the features I need, and they are simple to set up. Not so fast though. I've recently set up a bigger TrueNAS 5Gbs system to replace my old NAS's but there is a definite learning curve. Cost matters.
Consultants have left Synology as they dont provide value anymore. The software is good, but QNAP caught up and past in things that matter. The pricing makes zero sense if you use all branded stuff as your being forced to. Once the solution is deployed you rarely log in to even enjoy the fast ui, QNAP just makes so much more sense for smb and prosumer now.
Nobody should ever buy Ubiquiti equipment, despite them having probably the best user interface in the market. They don’t take security seriously, and their support is nonexistent. I wouldn’t use their products if they were free.
If UNIFI goes for the NAS space I hope they just implement a SAMBA server with user/quotas management on a 1U or 2U platform. A UNIFI NAS would be beautiful... as any other UNIFI equipment.
All I want and need from a NAS is storage space.
Server functionality I get from my own systems with Linux (virtual machines, Nextcloud, etc.). These systems can also be used as a NAS if needed. Hence, SYNOLOGY devices are useless to me.
With the backing of ASUS after the Intel NUC takeover ...I think ASUSTOR is best placed to take over the SMB/PROSUME space....much bigger company then ALL of these combined !
@ThePaulpope Great point, I'm watching them. Hope they added a lot into the OS for apps and provide zfs and a high end nas like the h874. That would be awesome! M2 flash is just niche for my needs still. The capacity and pricepoint isn't there. So never played with their flashstor.
Perhaps a merger between Unify and either QNAP or Asustor?
Unify could help close the security issues.
My impression (without hands on experience) is that Docker is more uptodate on Asustor.
I've been a Synology customer since 2009 but recently they've been really disappointing. I was hesitating to try QNAP and I'm getting more and more tempted. If they really are now focusing on businesses, I will most likely look somewhere else...
Go QNAP, once you get used to it you'll be good. They make really good hardware and software and have huge amounts of 3rd party stuff that is good. If you look at what they do for the price it is a great value...
Where can we buy ugreen in uk ?
As far as I'm concerned, WD makes NAS's... network attached storage devices. I have a perfectly functional EX4100 that does it's job beautifully, which is to store data and nothing else 😁.
SYNOLOGY makes all round servers that also have NAS functionality as an added bonus...
Great summary. I agree with all of it!
Is saw the new Terramaster hardware (f4-424) and its awesome!
Since 2020 the writing has been on the wall that Synology have shifted towards enterprise stuff. Pre-COVID their hardware for home users was excellent and their software was very much the best. Peaked around the DSX20+ models.
@@5mattcolour Exactly. Then they locked us into crazy priced branded hardware and rerelease the 920 with a 423 sticker. I'm so done with them...
I think Synology is moving their consumer products to their Bee Station series. I'm still keeping an ear out with Eufy jumping on the consumer level Nas that will tie into their home security ecosystem.
Terra Master will take over Synology in coming years.
Given their origin, i never recommend them to smb and even prosumer.
I feel dirty and sad in equal measure saying it, but if Unifi came out with a NAS with an OS even close to par with DSM on it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
In the meantime, whilst all the others tempt me as little projects pieces, as for trusting any of them with my data, work etc, well they might be a bit less exciting, and certainly less empowered, but I'll be sticking with Synology! Served me well for the last 12 years, I just hope they don't really start ignoring me!
8:47 I came here to listen to you say Celeron. I am disappointed.
SELL 'ERR 'RON
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a simple way I explain Synology and Qnap is that Synology is Nas market Apple, just works with good features and software, but are locked and expensive. Qnap you get a lot of hardware for the money compared, you can tweak it like an android phone and it is much more compatible with more brands of hardware.
@HallesHit great point but apple would typically use one gen behind Intel, our friends at synology use much older and crappier hardware to maximize profit. I mean the rebadged 920 aka 423, Apple even in it worst time would not stoop so low.
I wish one of these brands would go to the market and actually ask them what we want in a device.
Then we would finally see 10GbE and devices with ECC RAM.
For me QNAP has done what you asked, even provided the spec you want. Given Hero has ZFS, ecc isn't important and 2.5 in multichannel for most smb applications is good in that tier. Qnap has been responding to my complaints where Synology has ignored them. Ymmv with any brand but for my needs qnap is a good fit.
@@Nasguy-b7q 2.5 is not 10GbE no amount of lying and BS marketeering will change that. 1GbE and 2.5GbE tells me immediately they've done 0 market research and don't listen to their customers.
@@ericneo2ok, we can different then on that one. 10gbe is standard on a good share of their devices that makes sense. I will hand it to you with the h874 getting 2.5 until you get fastest processor is a money grab for sure, but again it is an option. I would much rather the vendor force me to buy any generic 10gbe and perhaps m2s combo for more pool,tier, ai, or cache then what synology has done. Looking at the sheer number of options in the lineup and that many small smb never will use beyond 5.x be anyways. The files are a just 2 small for 3 users. So 2.5 be is a cheap and good solution for that market. Again much better than 1gbe from my friends at synology. Once you break into larger clients or needs 10gbe is important. My complaints I had with qnap have mostly been addressed as they listened to us, again much better than Synology as they didn't.
I still use my first Synology NAS from 10 years ago. It's been good for a starter NAS. Inexpensive and just works. But the old hardware can't handle more than the most basic NAS functions. Soon as I do anything, the CPU spikes to max usage and won't come down.
I'm ready for an upgrade and I want a NAS that's more powerful than what Synology offers.
I really like the Synology software, but I don't like the old, weak hardware in their NAS offerings.
I have a QNAP spec'd out, but security concerns is definitely an issue. I need to research this before spending $3500 on a new NAS.
You mean $3500 including drives?
@@jasperverkroost Correct. That's the cost for everything.
$2000 for the QNAP NAS.
$1300 for the drives (assuming the drive prices don't change).
Plus tax, etc. it will probably be a bit over $3600.
@Uberragen21 I can tell you the h874 is the best nas in this tier I have ever seen. QNAP is just as secure as Synology now. They added bit defender right into the OS and have tightened it all up. I gave up on Synolgy and QNAP is a bit more technical but not bad. But it does whatever you need it to do. You will be very satisfied,
I have recently moved from Synology after having one for years, over to Terramaster and really happy with it.
45Drives
Way too expensive and geared towards professional use, not home power users.
They have a newer offering that is geared towards the home power user. It sounds interesting, but it's not even listed on their website as of September 2024.
If any of the brand wants to be in top they need two things 1 best hardware 2 adequate prices
Software, is important as well. You don't want a syncing solution that says synced with half of the files missing on the other side without telling you.
I like an idea of buying a used Mac mini m1 and use that as NAS. But I’m not sure how good is this idea
I have looked at many different options but come back to Synology for one software that nobody else matches.
Active Backup for Business
Agree nice clean os that is snappy. But after using hybrid backup 3 for a while, it is very powerful and you can create elaborate backup methodologies. Solid competition to active backup for business.
The TLDR ... even thougth I watched every second:
- No one else has the turnkey package Synology has,
- Although it would be fun, I dont want the headache and potential maintenance of a DUI,
- I have a DS-918 in our home server, no business, no prosumer or enterprise needs, its just about safe storage of our families digital life,
- sure its not bleeding edge, not fastest around, but its also not got the recent problems of drive and other hardware compatibility etc
... so Im not doing a darn thing until this one actually implodes and fails to start ... I'll worry about it ... and likely watch me some more Robbie ... when that time comes.
I also have a 918+, six years after buying the NAS it is still going strong, for me that is enough to stay with Synology, unless they would completely stop making prosumer NAS-devices.
This is like asking about alternatives to mosquitoes.
I’m trying to move away from my old WD My Book to a NAS, was going to go with Synology but I’m not happy with the direction the company is going in - Currently it’s between UGreen and whatever Ubiquity come out with - UGreen I can’t buy yet because I’m in the UK and Ubiquity hasn’t released theirs yet either, so I’m a bit in limbo at the moment.
TrueNas
I Purchased Synology because it reminded me of my apple products with ease of use , but with my Plex 4K HD library growing the CPU has being found wanting(especially when watching at work ) .I have even paid down on zettlab crowd fund NAS item . I have essentially tried to avoid building my own ,but TH-cam as inspired me to go for it . Got my Trunas start up USB sorted and slowly going to build one . Erying (embedded CPU)motherboard ordered (after watching you video )and gonna go for it . Its the only way I'm going to be truly satisfied.
Have you tried the recent update of Terramaster Tos6? If so working good ? Looking to get a terramaster and if i should just use tos6 :) only planning to use plex and backup photos for mobiles