5 reasons you DO NOT need a NAS

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  • This tutorial goes over 5 reasons why you should not buy a NAS, but instead a DAS. A DAS is a much simpler setup and also can give you significantly more performance at a much lower cost than a NAS.
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    TOC:
    0:00 intro
    1:15 NAS vs DAS
    2:33 Program incompatibility
    3:38 NAS are complex
    4:40 NAS are slower
    6:55 you only have one computer
    7:45 Backup costs
    9:25 outro
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  • @timotmon
    @timotmon ปีที่แล้ว +134

    I didn't need one.... but now I'm addicted to it. So now I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed it.

    • @MrSunDevil23
      @MrSunDevil23 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I basically bought my first NAS (DS418) for Plex but now that I have over 10 Tb of digitized movies and 18,000+ songs I had to upgrade to a DS902+. I LOOOOOVE my NASes and they are capable of so much other than just file storage.

    • @KRobGaming
      @KRobGaming 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i searced for a own cloud solution and found that and needed it. now im here and dont know anymore

  • @DavidM2002
    @DavidM2002 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    And 5 reasons you DO need a NAS:
    1) Great educational value on managing a small network
    2) You can break stuff ( virtually ) with a NAS and recover without disrupting your desktop / laptop work
    3) You don't know what you don't know... that is, a whole world of opportunity opens up when you see what you can do with a NAS. Things you never thought possible and other things you never considered doing because you didn't know you could.
    4) You can access your files relatively securely from anywhere in the world without using a cloud storage system. That may also pay for a NAS in cloud cost savings because you may not need your cloud service any more.
    5) If you buy somewhat noisy HDD's for your NAS, and keep your NAS in the guest bedroom, the in-laws won't stay any longer than one night.

    • @notreallyme425
      @notreallyme425 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Add Google photos replacement to the list

    • @gfriedman99
      @gfriedman99 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@notreallyme425 That's the killer app driving NAS sales I would submit.

    • @TazzSmk
      @TazzSmk ปีที่แล้ว +13

      1) you better want virtualization server for that
      2) you better want virtualization server for that
      3) you better want virtualization server for that
      4) you better want selfhosted VPN server for securely accessing your data over internet
      5) now that's a #ProTip :D

    • @williamhicks2763
      @williamhicks2763 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TazzSmk Any recommendations for a CPU/motherboard combo for a virtualization server hat supports ECC? Been having trouble nailing that down. Seeing the new Intel chips Linus was talking about today made me think I might want to hold off until they are released.

    • @TazzSmk
      @TazzSmk ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@williamhicks2763 ah yea, new Intel HEDT platform would be good choice,
      though ECC is fairly overrated, you don't "need" it in a home server, consumer-grade NASes don't have it too

  • @BachusNRW
    @BachusNRW ปีที่แล้ว +61

    On Windows, you can use the "subst" command to mount a NAS share so that Lightroom thinks it is a local drive. I have my Lightroom catalog on a DS1821+ with 10gbit connectivity and it actually works quite well.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +19

      This is really good info. I did not realize that subst hid the fact it was a network drive

    • @hansip87
      @hansip87 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so what's the diff with map network drive straight from File Explorer?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What you do is you map the network drive, then you uses subst to change the path to a different path

    • @hansip87
      @hansip87 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SpaceRexWill ahh.. i got it, just tried it and it works whereas mapped network drive only is still detected by lightroom as network drive so subst is to mask it as local drive. But tbh with my 918+ and 2 gigs connection, it's a bit slow with subst. If one have big enough local storage, then syno drive synced folder is still a faster solution. Thanks btw for the Subst cmd.

    • @williamhicks2763
      @williamhicks2763 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hansip87 The way I’ve been working is to check the box during import in Lightroom to create a second copy of my RAW/AWR files to a mapped network share on the NAS but I do all the editing on my local machine. I export JPEG directly to albums on the NAS. Every so often I copy my catalog up to the NAS, which also gets backed up, and that has been a good workflow for me. If I get my network up to speed I could see editing directly from the NAS, but editing locally means I do have yet another copy if anything were to go wrong with the NAS where it would be down for a while. I did have to RMA it once and another time I had to wait a week or so to replace the power supply. Good tip though.

  • @BainesMkII
    @BainesMkII 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I feel this video could benefit from a section covering "do you really need a NAS?" section, covering more edge case scenarios. For example, while you briefly acknowledge that there are multi-drive DAS options with RAID support (giving you the data protection you don't have with a single drive DAS), those options seem to negate any price and at least some of the complexity advantages over NAS. (And no, services like Backblaze aren't a blanket solution for someone who doesn't have an internet connection that makes it trivial to move several TBs of data.)

  • @Jessehermansonphotography
    @Jessehermansonphotography 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One last thing. If you aren’t very tech savvy, and have alot of sensitive (to you) data. It’s much more secure to have a DAS. If all your data is on your internal network, without proper security, all your data is ripe for the picking. Most folks don’t have a good background in tech to set up proper network security.
    Also, multiple users and multiple computers just opens up the possibility that someone will make a mistake and become compromised. One computer, one user (myself) is a lot easier to control. (Coming from a systems admin for a manufacturing company)

  • @joserosado4667
    @joserosado4667 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you for clearing the air on whether or not most people need a NAS. I truly was considering getting on but since watching your video may wait until I really need one. Keep up the great work!

  • @MrTwixraider
    @MrTwixraider ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I didn't need a NAS , I just needed a storage for all my pictures, which are also backuped in a cloud. But I bought a NAS an now I will never go back, because it does much more then store pictures and I love it. I now can acces my files from different devices, also I use notes, calendar and backing up my computers and for backing up my NAS I use an external storage which is always connected to the NAS.

    • @9718049817
      @9718049817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are you using for NAS?

    • @tomcha1234
      @tomcha1234 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that is exactly why I am buying a NAS :D I don't want to pay monthly fee to google or other cloud service.

  • @roydressel
    @roydressel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for the video. I was looking into a NAS for a little while, thinking I needed one, but after watching your video and taking a look at my situation where most of my storage is actually archival, I don't need to access those files for a long time if ever so I decided to go a different route.

    • @BlackNumber0ne
      @BlackNumber0ne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here. The hype concerning the need for a NAS is big, one might be easily swept away by it. Thankfully, videos and clarification like this do exist. 👌

  • @cuerpodeluz555
    @cuerpodeluz555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Broo thanks for all your videos! Great energy that you give out

  • @mrpunedangle7875
    @mrpunedangle7875 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    "you dont need a NAS!" proceeds to advertise a paid cloud storage lol

  • @notreallyme425
    @notreallyme425 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:21 I use Synology Drive on my main computer and pin local copies of the files and directories that I use most. I seem to get the same performance as the file being stored locally.

  • @iFritRodriguez
    @iFritRodriguez 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree took me 2 days setup my NAS multiple times to reinstall the OS just to make the proper configurations, and yes, this is my first time setting up NAS and I'm a newbie to this

  • @robertleem5643
    @robertleem5643 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent videos, I initially bought a DAS and copied all my files to it, 3 months later I bought the Synology 920+ and haven't looked back, I watched numerous videos on youtube including many by SpaceRex on how to setup a NAS and within the hour I was up and running. I initially had one Toshiba 14tb hard drive and have bought 2 more over the last couple of months. I use it in SHR mode.
    The NAS is my primary drive and I back it up every month to my DAS
    The other beauty of the NAS is that I have set it up as a media server and watch all my movies and TV series though it via Jellyfin, we went to the Lake District a month ago and I connected up to my NAS and in the evening we were watching our movies
    I just wish I'd have made the decision sooner
    Many thanks to SpaceRex for all the video's made my life easier

    • @schultzeworks
      @schultzeworks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back up to the cloud as well. Having both NAS & DAS copies in the same room is risky.

    • @robertleem5643
      @robertleem5643 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@schultzeworks They are in separate rooms and I also have a separate 14tb with the essentials on which is kept at my parents. I don't see the pointing in paying out for 12tb of data, won't be cheap

    • @schultzeworks
      @schultzeworks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@robertleem5643 First, I have friends that lost ALL data (and back-ups) due to a robbery. The crooks took the primary and the back-up. So, off-site cloud services are always the best, which is what I recommend. Secondly, I can log in to the back-up cloud service any time to retrieve data. (Which is also available on many NAS drives as well.) But, this is not the case if they are offline … another thing to watch out for. My office power company is going offline for 8 hours this Sunday. So, no access if I need it.

    • @kk6ou
      @kk6ou 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@schultzeworks This is a good point. Having all your backup in your house is a little risky but for me cloud backup would be $60/month. I backup critical data on a large external HD and store that in a fire resistant safe (which weighs about 500lb so would be next to impossible to cart away). If someone goes through the house and steals my NAS and PC I would only lose things like movies. Before I got the safe I use to store my external drive in a safe deposit box in a bank.

    • @ZioVelvet
      @ZioVelvet 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kk6ou I bought a 10TB 'lifetime' cloud storage with Filen on last Black Friday. It is zero knowledge E2EE so you can store whatever you like. Yes, it was expensive at around €999 ($1075) but you keep it until their service ends (hopefully more than 5-10 years). Yes, it's risky but if the service lasts at least 3 years it'd be still way cheaper at $30/month.
      Now that Black Friday ended they removed their lifetime offers, but every few months their lifetime pop up. They do offer also subscriptions which I usually avoid cause more expensive in the long period.

  •  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    So here is my "problem" with DAS and maybe you have the answer.
    I find a LOT of different options to buy but when it comes to actual capacity and features coming with these they're rather limited or misleading specs on the data sheets.
    I don't have too many criteria, just wanting a robust docking stations with multiple bays AND working via USB-C using the full bandwidth. I don't mind having to deal with a power brick and paying the price if the board and connectors are solid. At the end of the day I almost feel like just buying the big tower computer and throw the whole stack in there. EXCEPT that it's no longer a backup in case my computer and data get compromised.
    Ideally I'd put my DAS power supply behind some automation so I can power it up on demand.

  • @mikefiatx19
    @mikefiatx19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My DAS just died. I have a 2nd DAS but I wish i had a RAID NAS.

  • @paisastic
    @paisastic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very useful content. Thanks

  • @1BSDjunkie
    @1BSDjunkie ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very nice video! Have been going with a DAS myself instead of a NAS, but sadly Drobo stopped supporting their hardware drivers with each successive version of macOS.

    • @badboyboydc6779
      @badboyboydc6779 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Drobo is anything but smooth on macOS. Very difficult.

  • @07GoldWinger
    @07GoldWinger ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @SpaceRex your videos only contribute to my problem of investing into my NAS environment :) I am a home user with 3 Synology's totaling 26 drives of over 170 TB capacity :) Keep 'em coming! LOL!

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว

      Lolol it’s a slippery Slope

  • @seansingh4421
    @seansingh4421 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Biggest reason I think NAS are the best thing ever is data protection. With software raid, redundant drives, parity drives, automatic smart scans and the robust quality of nas grade drives is unparalleled by those clunky external drives that are made so cheaply and fail without any warning.

    • @helloitsmehb
      @helloitsmehb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can do the same with a RAID in a DAS enclosure

    • @Sol4rOnYt
      @Sol4rOnYt หลายเดือนก่อน

      fr, those DASs are known for being unrealiable

  • @valentinmoeller
    @valentinmoeller ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I backed up my NAS to Hetzner Storage Box for 13€/month for 5 TB. I think that’s quite a good price.

  • @darkrangersinc
    @darkrangersinc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was looking for one for just cheeper bulk storage than the NVME SSDs I’m using now and thought NAS the way to go but since I don’t need any network capabilities this video helped me decide on a DAS

  • @mellangestudio
    @mellangestudio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video. i think i "want" a nas but only "need" a das. what das do u recommend? I'd like to edit video from it as well as use it as a back for about 30-50tb of files. Thanks!

  • @brookrichardson1373
    @brookrichardson1373 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would like to see a video on some DAS systems and if there are any as flexible as a Synology NAS.

  • @omargarcia1291
    @omargarcia1291 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video actually put some things in perspective for me. Ive been wanting to expand my storage on my main PC which I use as a plex server. everywhere I've asked for advice they just tell me to build a NAS instead. But the more I've looked into it, the more I realize I really only need a JBOD or DAS. It's pretty much plug and play and it does exactly what I need without over complicating it and it saves me a ton of money.

  • @trollingprophet
    @trollingprophet ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad i found this video before buying a NAS when I just need a DAS ;D

  • @SuJunVN
    @SuJunVN ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ask you a question? Can I use Link Aggregation Bond 1 and setup Pi-Hole on Docker? I am really stuck on this one? Appreciate any help, thanks.

  • @erroneouscode
    @erroneouscode 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    All these complicated systems of storage incorporating NAS, Cloud storage, encryption, passwords etc etc. It's fine being tech savvy but how many people ever consider their non tech savvy dependents being able to access files and data if they die.

  • @santodifresco4817
    @santodifresco4817 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, as far as I can understand, I should backup the NAS, but I bought it for backups use and to replace Google photo, I'm start to think that I did the wrong choice....

  • @jonthemachine1970
    @jonthemachine1970 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A changed my Nas from a dell server to a mini PC and 4 harddrive DAS. It is quit, fast, and uses much less power. Plus using software RAID will allow me to use drives in another PC. Should I have to.

  • @JasonStewartsStreak
    @JasonStewartsStreak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm confussed, I want to backup files(pictures and documents) from the 3 computers I have at home. They will be saved and I will access them on the computer I am using not off the nas, I just want a program to run either everytime one of those folders are modified or a set time every day and save that information to the nas. The way it is being described here it seems more like external storage? The reason I want to use a nas in case a hdd fails on one of those pc's I don't lose all that data. If I use it to store the data to access from all the pc's if the drive fails on the nas I lose all the data? Is a nas not what I thought it was?

  • @blackie5566
    @blackie5566 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you, great comparison, which is very helpful. As a long term NAS user myself, there is one point I want to throw in here: what if the NAS itself fails? I had a faulty QNAP-NAS and wasn't able to repair it myself. So all the data was safed, but not approachable. It wasn't easy then, to recover the data from the HDD's. I think for someone, who has no IT-knowledge, a faulty NAS can get very tricky then. Therefore I would recommend anyone to start with a DAS. But that is my opinion ;-). Love your channel, great work, thank you!

    • @MrVidification
      @MrVidification 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought of getting a multi drawer das docking station for at least four 3.5 or 2.5 drives, but even then reviews will sometimes mention failures with well known brand docks that corrupt data. The drawer system is always preferable to multiple portable usb hdds or any cloud service though..

  • @lulabyte
    @lulabyte 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    your voice is so soothing and your info is so helpful! Thank you!

  • @cesarebonazza
    @cesarebonazza 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is what I need it to know. thank you

  • @gfriedman99
    @gfriedman99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes but what if you have catastrophic loss. Seems like the bare metal recovery will be much quicker with a local backup over backblaze no?

    • @senritsujumpsuit6021
      @senritsujumpsuit6021 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      answer all the super important files can be left on other external drives like family photos are far more impotent then the 79045 cartoons an anime you have screenshots of XD

  • @electrolabs3237
    @electrolabs3237 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh, I didn't know the DAS existed. It's new to me. But now I know!

  • @midiman25
    @midiman25 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @SpaceRex Great video. This has got me thinking do I need a NAS or not. I just want something that I can sync data from my PC to. I was thinking about getting a Terramaster D5 and configuring it with RAID. I would like to sync my files and folders to the DAS device from my PC.

  • @notreallyme425
    @notreallyme425 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if I have the 2 LAN ports setup as a “Bond” will this still work?

  • @RichardsWorld
    @RichardsWorld 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    With some ISP setting data limits, such as Xfinity giving a high speed limit of 1.2TB, how do you go about trying to use the internet to backup several TB each month? I guess you need a truly unlimited plan.

  • @roquea.deleon6175
    @roquea.deleon6175 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it possible to make certain folders or a drive on your computer network accessible. The use case I can see for it would be working from a main PC and saving the files locally, but when away from home and working from a laptop being able to access that specific folder/hard drive. NAS seems a bit overkill for a single person and occasional use for it.

  • @darrinlong8038
    @darrinlong8038 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have tp-link router with a USB port cant i use that for a network drive storage i been experentmenting with this

  • @BlackNumber0ne
    @BlackNumber0ne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Congrats man, you've just convinced me to move from a newly bought NAS to a DAS solution instead. Security, handling and overall speed does matter to me, you did compare these crucial DAS elements perfectly towards the benefits of a NAS. Thanks a bunch for your help 👌

  • @TheKayakCrew
    @TheKayakCrew 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    While lots of people rave about NAS, I think if you only need to access the files at home via one computer I’m not sure I see the point. I’m looking to store my video projects and will be buying DAS drives which I’ll run in RAID 1.

    • @3d755
      @3d755 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not sure if you're aware but I wouldn't store important files on a RAID 1, if any of the drives in that array dies then the entire array becomes compromised and you could potentially lose all of your data. I'd be better to use RAID 5 (or even RAID 6 if you can spare a second drive).

    • @fjorddenierbear4832
      @fjorddenierbear4832 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@3d755 You're talking about RAID 0 now, right? How does RAID 1 compromise data?

  • @MrCougar214
    @MrCougar214 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm new to all this home media server stuff so I have no idea what I need to buy. I can tell you what I want to do and that's have a setup that allows me to access my media from any TV or device in my home without the need for internet access. I want the ability to access my collection if the internet goes down so I'm not sure if a NAS setup is right for me. I know they make home devices that do this that look a lot like dvd players but I have no idea what they are called or where to buy them.

  • @thomasrodriguez581
    @thomasrodriguez581 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How long will a NAS last? I would want to use it for my video editing projects

  • @daveg4417
    @daveg4417 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 2 bay Synology NAS simply as another level of file backup for all of my computers in my house. It holds current copies of the data for all of my computers in one central location.

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I went for a DAS with my current homelab setup. I mostly use my homelab to host a git instance, a search engine, a media server and as a router. The setup is basically 2 miniPCs, both running Proxmox. One is working as the router, DNS, Firewall etc, and the other is doing basically everything else. Getting a NAS at this juncture just made no sense, since my 2nd server machine was the one that needed more storage to support the serving media and hosting my Git files. Its also nice to have an extra 8 TB of storage for VMs, and for logging/metrics. Until I decide to add a real server blade into my cluster, there just isn't a point in using a NAS especially when my network is only 2.5g in speed atm.

  • @hiddenspringshappenings3945
    @hiddenspringshappenings3945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will, I was shocked to see the title of this video coming from you. Ha Ha. I watched it and loved it. Great points. Thanks and keep these vids coming. Russell D.

  • @phanigurram
    @phanigurram ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have 5 HDDs rais in my pc using as " F drive" .
    can i back blaze all this 30 tb data to back blaze? .
    Does Back blaze allow raid Drive?

  • @gbinman
    @gbinman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like your videos, they have saved me a lot of reading. I had a networking business almost 20 years ago. It would have been awesome to have these devices then.
    Question: If I wanted to upgrade from my current DS220+, could I move my current drives to say a 4 bay unit or would it be starting from scratch. How about apps and configurations?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You could take the 2 drives and just put them right in the new NAS!

  • @kychemclass5850
    @kychemclass5850 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good advice. Tq.

  • @alwayscuriousalwayslearnin
    @alwayscuriousalwayslearnin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have my media PC and its used for the net and i have a gaming PC I just have extra drives on my media PC and backup files to it works good I am not sure how much power it uses because its on all the time

  • @andrewkim9628
    @andrewkim9628 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I played my movies on NAS for a while, but hard drive based NAS and network latency gave me uncomfortable experience including freezing when I click hundred times of 10 seconds forward/rewind on a movie.
    Now I use SSD DAS for movies.

    • @greatwavefan397
      @greatwavefan397 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds more like you could use a Plex server

  • @MartinV.
    @MartinV. ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video!!

  • @brianhansen6906
    @brianhansen6906 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So I currently back up my nas with hyperbackup to a 4tb das. So it sounds like I could then just turn around and plug that das into my computer and back it up to back blaze for $7/mo

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would likely work!

    • @gerald1964
      @gerald1964 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One possibility would be to use back up software on your computer to back up your NAS directly without having to unplug and plug your back up drive. You just keep your backup drive plugged into your main computer. I use Chronosync for my iMAC.

  • @MisterUrbanWorld
    @MisterUrbanWorld 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can a DAS connect to modem to stream movies to various rooms?

  • @user-od4gs3iu4t
    @user-od4gs3iu4t หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I dunno why but this person reminds me of Jim Carrey. I try to figure out what is similar: is it hair style, face profile, t shirt in some of the movies, voice, mimics, gestures, or rather a combination of all together?

  • @darkellysio
    @darkellysio ปีที่แล้ว

    In a way I didn’t need a NAS but it is really useful. Especially to backup to a remote place where you also have a computer.
    Just struggling to open the upnp port on my router to make it work 😅

    • @playlist5455
      @playlist5455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never use UPNP. It is a known security issue and is getting removed from lots of devices these days. You can directly open ports (for ssh and such) directly on your router

  • @williamhicks2763
    @williamhicks2763 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I say, if you are new to NAS and don’t have much experience is managing users and groups and firewalls, you can spend weeks, not hours, getting organized and secure. Then you need backups and offsite backups if you really want to preserve that data. I think it’s worth it. Love my NAS but it took a lot of work to configure and organize to my liking. My biggest concern is leaving it to my wife who wouldn’t know how it’s setup so I’m starting to teach her at least to the point she could hire someone if need be. DAS is simple but you need backups even more in my experience and always running out of room, where as a NAS you can continually upgrade hard drives over time and even expansion units for more bays.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +22

      My trick to making sure my wife can get our files when I am gone, was to build a TH-cam channel containing all of the information she needs to manage the Synology!

    • @williamhicks2763
      @williamhicks2763 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SpaceRexWill 😄👍

  • @tokyojerry
    @tokyojerry 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In terms of having massive local storage, I can agree with the concept of using a DAS. over. a NAS. but there's one major function a DAS cannot give you. Being able to access, and synchronize my data from anywhere at any time globally. I'm looking into trying to do that with my router. If so, I will gladly part with the DAS.

  • @sherrilltechnology
    @sherrilltechnology 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my NAS it is really good and I use it for video storage great video!

  • @javierechevarria1548
    @javierechevarria1548 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I do like your homesty. THANk YOU !!

  • @poguedg
    @poguedg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lets say you have 2 TB SSDs on your system. One of the advantage of a NAS is you can use Acronis Backup Software to do periodic backups and Acronis Rescue Media Builder to create a bootable Thumb drive so if you lose your SSD or your system gets corrupted or infected, you can restore back to a sane time without losing any of your data quickly(

  • @alin.danila
    @alin.danila 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am one of those people with just 1 desktop (Mac Studio) and 1 user (myself) without any external access needs.
    Currently using 2 external HDDs (G-drive) in a manual “mirror” config using Carbon Copy Cloner.
    Still i’m looking into getting a NAS for the following reasons :
    - A currently Mac bug is almost killing external HDDs with constant spin up/down cycles … you have to shut down the Mac every time after use (say goodbye to the convenience of using sleep mode)
    - Offsite online backup easier on the NAS: you don’t have to leave your PC on for every backup to finish. NAS will take care of it on it’s own while you sleep.
    - Bit Rot protection: BTRFS and data scrubbing + error recovery on the NAS. Basically ZERO easy solution for an external HDD as DAS.
    - Aditional tests (like SMART) done independently on the NAS while you sleep.
    - Overall better protection for your data because all of the above.
    Last:
    Cool nice to have services:
    - whole house video server, stream your home videos on the Living Room TV without the PC being on
    - whole house music server
    - whole house pictures server (Synology Photos)
    - etc

  • @moonshot1149
    @moonshot1149 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe I'm missing something, but the MAIN reason people want a NAS instead of a DAS (plug in direct storage) is because of the built in RAID capability, where they can store their entire history of photos and home videos and not worry about data loss in a RAID configuration. Sure, some people will just use a NAS as a JBOD set up for a bunch of ripped movies. But that's kind of a waste, since any cheap PC with a bunch of cheap disks will do the same thing. The main problem with current "cube" NAS units are that they are ridiculously overpriced. Even after they are 5+ years old tech. So not an economical solution for most, after you pack it with 4 SSD, 4 M.2 caching sticks, and upgrade its base memory. By then, you're up close to 2K, which is just crazy.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can also buy a DAS RAID

  • @michaelgold1064
    @michaelgold1064 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @Axeldub
    @Axeldub 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    well done good points

  • @myrnaloy4275
    @myrnaloy4275 ปีที่แล้ว

    How could i access a das from a cell phone?

  • @dexter2433
    @dexter2433 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    we just set up our first NAS with a AMD Athlon 3000g cpu and a old A320 MB and ram from my daughters old gaming pc from 6 years ago and with 2 8tb hd we finely got Truenas set up and working but we are still learning but mostly we want it for storing large video files from OBS and video editing this is our learning one and it is fast over the network getting 120MB transfer speeds so it is working great ..I sat it in my closest out of the way and so it is silent

  • @nadtz
    @nadtz ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't need a nas but it makes working on multiple devices and running VM's and containers a lot easier.

  • @thesmuuuuggh
    @thesmuuuuggh ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:45 Unless you watch a spacerex video or two 🙂

    • @mmdday
      @mmdday ปีที่แล้ว

      the fact that you have to watch videos means it's not that easy. You can't just ignore the time spent on "learning."

  • @loucipher7782
    @loucipher7782 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my main PC is already my NAS lol
    all i need is a DAS to do backup or expand storage
    i have like 3 DAS sitting there ready to plug in on demand
    data are mostly secured when its offline +off power most of the time compared to NAS
    doesnt matter if you have raidz3, shit happens and the whole system goes bye bye then you realize you just wasted 3 HDDs for parity all these while for nothing lol

  • @-musiclee-
    @-musiclee- ปีที่แล้ว

    you said , i could backup 50TB to Backblaze for $7/mnth, then say if you have 10TB, it would cost you $50/mnth, also, if your DAS is only holds 8TB, how do you backup 50TB?

  • @fjorddenierbear4832
    @fjorddenierbear4832 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Reason 6: Security (reduced attack surface). Your NAS in on your local network. Why not just expose it from your main computer selectively? You can still leave your desktop on at night and stream movies in bed from that computer. And if you stop using the share, just remove it.

  • @kenrock2
    @kenrock2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Nas setup is simple and doesn't need to be turn on 24/7. I bought a budget Delll mini PC, hook up with my existing USB hard drive. Setup a samba server, plex server, and many more to play around. I would only use it when I needed. Saving my electric bill.
    Cost wise is much much cheaper than buying standalone NAS. The only thing i invested alot is the time of setup and configuring the server, troubleshoot errors and so on.

  • @gadgetsntips
    @gadgetsntips 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So… can I backup my entire 90TB NAS to backblaze for the same price?

  • @NicolasSilvaVasault
    @NicolasSilvaVasault 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    is a fun world, BUT, the flexibility, usability, ease of use, reliability of having a cloud, and most importantly, how cheap in both short and long term is, will always be better to pay for a cloud service

  • @training7574
    @training7574 ปีที่แล้ว

    As usual, very informative! Thanks!

  • @HowDidIGet3700Subs
    @HowDidIGet3700Subs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    does he remind anyone of ace ventura (jim carrey)?

  • @PunkrockNoir-ss2pq
    @PunkrockNoir-ss2pq 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didn't need one, but I enjoyed the learning experience

  • @fgdfhdhjd7776
    @fgdfhdhjd7776 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use free accounts of onedrive, dropbox and box for essential files. Tons of notes, ebooks, papers stored in hard drives with bakup in other hard drives. I saw many youtubers saying you need a Nas but sometimes I feel it is still not unneccessary.

    • @44BluesFan
      @44BluesFan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sorta in the same boat. My OneDrive is only 50% capacity, and I'm wondering if even a DAS makes sense until that gets filled up more...

    • @fgdfhdhjd7776
      @fgdfhdhjd7776 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@44BluesFan if you only used 50%, then do not buy it for now. I bought a two bay NAS few months ago. With two 4t hard drives, the useable size is in fact only 2.6 tb, going beyond roughly 2.6 or 2.7tb there would be warnings. It is quite pain of ass since it is not a lot room and I paid more than 500 euros for it.

    • @44BluesFan
      @44BluesFan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fgdfhdhjd7776 Good info, thanks.

    • @fgdfhdhjd7776
      @fgdfhdhjd7776 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@44BluesFan another problem is that, unlike onedrive or dropbox, with synology drive of ios or android, you cannot download at once a whole folder under which there are mutiple files. You are forced to download each file one by one manually under the folder.

  • @phanigurram
    @phanigurram ปีที่แล้ว

    you are hero on subject

  • @sayednab
    @sayednab ปีที่แล้ว

    what about NAS with thunderbolt connectivity? can't they be used both as NAS and DAS?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A NAS with thunderbolt is actually still just a NAS. The thunderbolt is actually just emulating a 10 GbE Ethernet adapter

    • @sayednab
      @sayednab ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceRexWill yeh but in terms of transferring data from and to NAS, wouldn't it be faster and more secure?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว

      Its the equivalent of plugging a 10gbe cable from the back of your computer to the back of the NAS. technically very slightly more secure (in the 1/100000 chance someone has taken your switch and change it to a dev that packet captures)

    • @sayednab
      @sayednab ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpaceRexWill gotcha, so if I want restore lets say an entire backup of my old pc to a new one, it would be much secure and faster to do it via 10Gbe cable? also I am not sure which NAS to chose, I am currently looking at ds220+ or the little brother DS220j. the price difference is 150$ here in europe. what would you recommend, thanks.

  • @greob
    @greob ปีที่แล้ว

    8:00 sure but you lose control over your data. I don't think data is end to end encrypted with Backblaze...

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Backblaze let’s you set your own encryption key for your back

  • @Smedleydog1
    @Smedleydog1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually you need both. I have a NAS for storage that can easily be accessed from multiple computers in my house on my private network. You can share drives and files between computers on a network if Windows will cooperate, but it's messy in my opinion. I have a DAS to back up my NAS (sounds funny doesn't it). I don't put my data on "the cloud" (someone else's server). That's like giving your files and information away to a stranger.

  • @Dutch1961
    @Dutch1961 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Didn't need one. Now I have two.

  • @romangsh
    @romangsh ปีที่แล้ว

    indeed a great video

  • @kosvkos
    @kosvkos หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why the hell I've spend another 10 minutes listening why I don't need a NAS if I already have one? :(

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have a bunch of machines at home and I like to sync my data locally without Google, Microsoft, Meta, Dropbox, Mega or the likes being involved.
    So building a NAS myself using off the shelf parts was the right choice for me.
    However, given how powerful singleboard computers have become - even older Raspberry Pis considering what I personally do most of the time - I can tell, people can save a lot by going other routes.

    • @riffdex
      @riffdex 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got an old PC and put a bunch of HDDs in the available SATA ports, leaving one SATA port for SSD for OS installation. All my data is stored on those internal HDDs, with redundancy, and accessible via shares over my network. Is this setup considered a NAS?

  • @nightadmin283
    @nightadmin283 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually don't need it. But I build one with TrueNAS as homelab project now. I want my file to be view from all my devices.

  • @ArminSteiner
    @ArminSteiner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bachblazr takes forever uploading even less than 1TB, we are talking about weeks not days. On a DAS you can not store your smartphone photos directly from the phone and ditch ios or Google photos.

  • @LT72884
    @LT72884 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i like syncthing the best. suoer simple and cheap as hell. i have a 1tb drive on main pc, then 512gb high speed sdcards in my laptops and phones to sync everything

  • @ThornBoyz2207
    @ThornBoyz2207 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great, I just watched a bunch of your videos convincing me I need a NAS and now that I dropped $1500 your telling me I don't need one :( j/k I don't care if I don't need one...I wanted one LoL

  • @melaniezette886
    @melaniezette886 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have 3 pc in house, each one is a backup of others,plus one backup server.

    • @melaniezette886
      @melaniezette886 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm always able to work immediately on another pc if necessary.

  • @EmilePolka
    @EmilePolka ปีที่แล้ว

    meh, just run a very basic windows 10 os, mount your shares on that VM, install the backblaze client, get that 7USD tier, done....
    still I dont really trust the cloud for keeping the files for me specially if that's cloud service is your "only" backup solution.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as I know backblaze will not backup SMB mounted volumes

  • @painfull73
    @painfull73 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you want to store 'NAS' files on a local drive - assign a drive letter :| Rocket science, sure - but really basic rocket science :D

  • @dragonmaster1500
    @dragonmaster1500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    9:24 But what if, hear me out, you have a NAS that backs up your NAS?

  • @suicidaljell
    @suicidaljell ปีที่แล้ว +1

    synolgy could be easier to use they seemingly choose not to be

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think its hard to make a server that not only has a lot of powerful features, but is also really easy for anyone to use.

    • @gfriedman99
      @gfriedman99 ปีที่แล้ว

      Coming from an IT background I was stunned by how easy the Synology was to set up and use (with some help from SpaceRex of course).

  • @ultimaratiopharm
    @ultimaratiopharm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    iSCSI helps

  • @j-vlog002
    @j-vlog002 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice.. I can't recommend BackBlaze. I tried their free trial and had just enough to back up. At the 80% back up I was throttled and the free trial ran out. When I mean throttled, the upload from my pc was SUPER SLOW as opposed to the start of the back up. It took days and days and was never finished. Not a good business practice.

  • @rzvendramini
    @rzvendramini 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    IMHO mounting a PC with Proxmox is cheaper, more flexible andd more powerful than use a regular NAS.