@@pancho66207 basically gamers tend to act differently when money is involved, nobody goes that hard in video games unless there is profit on the table
this was an exceptionally well-structured video. the intro quickly explained what to expect, the thumbnail and title are 100% accurate, the content of the video was edited well (including music and relevant footage), and it wasted no time getting to the point. a nearly 10 minute video with no bullshit, very nice job. i especially liked the Q&A style of important points on how to fight Joker, which made each segment stand out and clear as to what was being discussed. i wish other content creators would make high-quality videos like this.
Turns out a lucky hero can give joker some trouble, but you really need good down special options. Banjo, AFAIK, can give joker some trouble, yes. But I still think Joker is mostly broken.
When you learn more about playing Joker properly from a video designed to make it easier to beat him. (Also thanks for using more music than just Last Surprise! Price from Kaneshiro's palace is a banger)
Well yeah, but he was also free for most players. This has been a thing since smash 4. Cloud and Bayo were pretty dominating, and it’s probably going to be the same for hero and banjo
Fun fact: Joker goes 50/50 with K. Rool at worst, 60/40 at best. Dead fucking serious. The croc is definitely not a counter, obviously, but I thought that'd be a fun thing to know.
I'm just glad we've finally got a video talking about his flaws. What with everyone calling for nerfs for no reason when he's actually surprisingly balanced.
Thanks for the great tips! One thing I want to point out: waiting on the respawn plattform for Arsene to disappear does not do much good. The respawn invincibilitys duration in SSBU is the same, no matter if you stay on the platform or drop down immediately. If you dont drop down asap, you are wasting precious invincibility, with which you could get a positional advantage or even get free hits to shorten Arsenes life span.
You forgot about the counter edge guard that Joker players use when they have Arsene. They will jump off stage and counter your up b recovery to hit you off stage.
You can airdodge back to stage if you expect they’re going to do that and/or double jump/airdodge early so you can recover high. if you have moves that stall, you can use that to make it harder for him to counter and ruin his timing.
Okay so can people stop saying he’s the best character in the game and broken now? Because he really isn’t. One person has been winning with him in tournaments. And people thought other characters were broken too when the very same person used them.
Why? Who is better then? Nobody is saying he's Brawl Meta Knight, just that he's better than Wolf, Peach, Lucina, Ivysaur and co., which is a reasonable claim.
@Jack March Agreed. No character is that broken in this game, I don't understand why people get so up in arms about Joker being best but then they fail to offer an alternative
So what if people say Joker is the best character is the game, he clearly has a lot of advantages that most characters don't offer. At the end of the day people can have an opinion (personally I do think Joker is the best character) that doesn't mean it's true for you if you think otherwise.
You can be the best in this game and have some weaknesses and counterplay, we don't a brawl meta knight I see Joker like a melee Fox, super good character but has some not so clear weaknesses that can be exploited once learned
Joker is not the best character, MkLeo is the best player. That' it, people have to understand the difference. ^^' (And yes, Joker is a good character, but except MkLeo, we don't see everyone winning with Joker, QED. n_n)
@@xyliahvortex661 Nothing wrong with that just don't be obsessed about it impossible to win everything and if you don't know how to take an L in games you're gonna a hard time in real life
@@doomgirl5341 not good enough reasoning. Joker with Arsen is basically smash 4 shiek with smash 4 cloud's hit boxes and knockback. Plus he gets meter fairly quickly with or without rebel guard. That needs to be toned down cause he shouldn't be able to get arsen 2-4 times on a single stock. The persona mechanic is one you need to earn. Not camp and get near full meter with rebel guard on 1-2 hits within the first 30 seconds to first minute of a match.
@@redshepherd32 You actually need to get hit to get arsene, it's not viable to camp and wait for the meter to charge since it's very slow Try to bait Joker into using rebel guard since most of the time Joker players would try to get Arsene quickly, it has a lot of endlag. Also you can camp Joker once he has Arsene, Wolf for example is a good character against Joker because he can him very easily. Or you can try to combo him and he will lose Arsene in no time. Pichu is his worst matchup, he comboes Joker hard and is very small, can't get hit or grabbed so easily I agree that Joker should be toned down a little bit(back air is ridiculous and he surely gets Arsene very easily), but at the same time people just need to learn the matchup
Video: How to beat Joker
MkLeo: *You have to get through me first!*
the only reason Leo is so good is simply because of money
@@groudon2006 I don't know if your comment has to be taken seriously or not, but just in case it is, could expand on that affirmation?
@@pancho66207 basically gamers tend to act differently when money is involved, nobody goes that hard in video games unless there is profit on the table
Ratsuterra48 .......
this was an exceptionally well-structured video. the intro quickly explained what to expect, the thumbnail and title are 100% accurate, the content of the video was edited well (including music and relevant footage), and it wasted no time getting to the point. a nearly 10 minute video with no bullshit, very nice job. i especially liked the Q&A style of important points on how to fight Joker, which made each segment stand out and clear as to what was being discussed. i wish other content creators would make high-quality videos like this.
asdba aadas ok?
Characters good against joker: the next dlc fighters
Turns out a lucky hero can give joker some trouble, but you really need good down special options. Banjo, AFAIK, can give joker some trouble, yes. But I still think Joker is mostly broken.
Sephiroth is the answer
Characters...good against joker?
In what reality does that happen?
@@Ego-Fiend exactly
Joker is the only character from a game with music I listen to unironically on a daily basis
You should play Persona 3, 4 and 5 you will get addicted to these soundtracks
Have u played all of the personas
Other than bayo for me
Thank you for the video, it was insanely instructive. For the next episode, maybe the rats/Lucina could be a good pick?
Joker: *has many unique cool moves*
Joker mains: Hah, grab grab grab grab grab grab
Side b side b side b side b side b side b side b side b side b side b sideb
@Wishes, congrats on getting 2nd at Platinum Star Smash last Saturday! You really pushed Tweek in that Grand Final!
When you learn more about playing Joker properly from a video designed to make it easier to beat him.
(Also thanks for using more music than just Last Surprise! Price from Kaneshiro's palace is a banger)
Raijin wow u know persona 👏
The problem is that they intentionally make the DLC characters broken so people will have more reason to buy them
I don't think anyone filled Piranha Plant in on that.
Well yeah, but he was also free for most players. This has been a thing since smash 4. Cloud and Bayo were pretty dominating, and it’s probably going to be the same for hero and banjo
Joker isn’t broken MKLeo is just god
@@lime2779 ahem, side b spam
This is a blessing
How to beat Joker:
Step 1. You can't.
2.You do
When you get rekt by Joker so bad you start maiming him
Id maim joker too tbh. Makes me mad
@@tajwolf23 kkkkkk
Fun fact: Joker goes 50/50 with K. Rool at worst, 60/40 at best. Dead fucking serious. The croc is definitely not a counter, obviously, but I thought that'd be a fun thing to know.
I'm just glad we've finally got a video talking about his flaws. What with everyone calling for nerfs for no reason when he's actually surprisingly balanced.
I think he needs to be a tad lighter, he hangs on stage better than characters like terry on weight alone.
Very good video dude
Great and educational video. Can you please make one about how to fight yoshi?
8:05 Haha, he said leo could possibly beat joker, isnt that because mkleo absolutely despises sonic as a character and existance
Do more of those!! Do a "how to beat pikachu" next!!!
Thanks for the great tips! One thing I want to point out: waiting on the respawn plattform for Arsene to disappear does not do much good. The respawn invincibilitys duration in SSBU is the same, no matter if you stay on the platform or drop down immediately. If you dont drop down asap, you are wasting precious invincibility, with which you could get a positional advantage or even get free hits to shorten Arsenes life span.
Its not the same, it just gets gradually shorter. It does waste more time to stay on the platform
You forgot about the counter edge guard that Joker players use when they have Arsene. They will jump off stage and counter your up b recovery to hit you off stage.
You can airdodge back to stage if you expect they’re going to do that and/or double jump/airdodge early so you can recover high. if you have moves that stall, you can use that to make it harder for him to counter and ruin his timing.
I agree that sonic is super annoying to fight with joker many of his aireals bear Joka's
Establish dominance early!
1) get a STANDO POWA
2) laugh at him when his "persona" fades from existence
3) Fist Barrage Time
Getting smash 4 flashbacks
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So..... Leo still gonna win I take it?
mudkip
New Jersey rise up
Hi Justin :>
This is joker on a pro level. What about Joker as a spammy camper
We are mice
4:47 is Joker using finger guns?
I personally think he is too op, but he is a challenge. I mostly loose.
Because he is, dash attack should never be a kill confirm on a light weight brug
Marcina are bad mu for him aswell
Hi Justin
Ez just play ivy
Okay so can people stop saying he’s the best character in the game and broken now? Because he really isn’t. One person has been winning with him in tournaments. And people thought other characters were broken too when the very same person used them.
Why? Who is better then? Nobody is saying he's Brawl Meta Knight, just that he's better than Wolf, Peach, Lucina, Ivysaur and co., which is a reasonable claim.
@Jack March Agreed. No character is that broken in this game, I don't understand why people get so up in arms about Joker being best but then they fail to offer an alternative
So what if people say Joker is the best character is the game, he clearly has a lot of advantages that most characters don't offer. At the end of the day people can have an opinion (personally I do think Joker is the best character) that doesn't mean it's true for you if you think otherwise.
You can be the best in this game and have some weaknesses and counterplay, we don't a brawl meta knight
I see Joker like a melee Fox, super good character but has some not so clear weaknesses that can be exploited once learned
Is easy, with pikachu :v
Joker is not the best character, MkLeo is the best player. That' it, people have to understand the difference. ^^'
(And yes, Joker is a good character, but except MkLeo, we don't see everyone winning with Joker, QED. n_n)
Who's better than joker?
Ray Amezquita Pikachu
I think PT wins
sorry but g5 sounds like a 4th grader doing a read-aloud to the class and trying to sound like a successful youtuber
Step 1: Don’t play Mkleo
Pay to win character
I hate joker
Fucking hate joker. You can dominate against him but then he gets arson and kills you in 2 hits
This game is not that hard, people are just too obsessed with winning over enjoying the game
What if people enjoy winning?
@@xyliahvortex661 Nothing wrong with that just don't be obsessed about it impossible to win everything and if you don't know how to take an L in games you're gonna a hard time in real life
This applies to the whole fighting game community. Fighting games would be way more fun if everyone just chilled the F out.
This video is very good and the use of Persona 5 music in it is just perfection. 👌
UbeRMicR0 well there not gonna use sonic music
Fucking hate joker. You can dominate against him but then he gets arson and kills you in 2 hits
Dang arson
Then bait him, punish him, beat him when he was Arsene and please watch the video
@@doomgirl5341
not good enough reasoning. Joker with Arsen is basically smash 4 shiek with smash 4 cloud's hit boxes and knockback. Plus he gets meter fairly quickly with or without rebel guard. That needs to be toned down cause he shouldn't be able to get arsen 2-4 times on a single stock. The persona mechanic is one you need to earn. Not camp and get near full meter with rebel guard on 1-2 hits within the first 30 seconds to first minute of a match.
@@redshepherd32 You actually need to get hit to get arsene, it's not viable to camp and wait for the meter to charge since it's very slow
Try to bait Joker into using rebel guard since most of the time Joker players would try to get Arsene quickly, it has a lot of endlag. Also you can camp Joker once he has Arsene, Wolf for example is a good character against Joker because he can him very easily. Or you can try to combo him and he will lose Arsene in no time. Pichu is his worst matchup, he comboes Joker hard and is very small, can't get hit or grabbed so easily
I agree that Joker should be toned down a little bit(back air is ridiculous and he surely gets Arsene very easily), but at the same time people just need to learn the matchup
Fair 666 well pikachu now