Exactly! They don't need light speed because Nibiru is located in our own solar system, not some far off galaxy as Mr. Welch mistakenly thought. The aliens are extremely long-lived, so the 3,600 yr orbit is nothing to them. They simply wait until their planet crosses with earth and jump off.
It's actually a lot like Gamma World in some respects. It's after the great flood and they are trying to rebuild civilization. There are lots of pre-flood ruins and ancient alien tech floating around. Barbarians on pterodactyls with ray guns!
The Balu pygmies were based on real life homo-floriesiensis "hobbits". The females of that species had very elongated breasts ... it was well recorded in ancient history and became their most well-known feature. So, I put it in the book.
@@christophermiraglia as a historical fact thats interesting and I'll have to look them up now. The issue with it is a player reading that will probably focus in on it, and I stead of them being the Hobbits you wanted them to be they end up as the race with dangling boobs. Unless that sort of silliness is intended? I haven't read the book.
So seems the books creator removed his comments but let it stand to the tests of time he threw a fit over this review probably soured many people's opinions on this game not for the quality of his product but by his lack of professionalism in handling the situation. The morale of the story? Simple have tact while taking criticism people will respect that and hey can always do a new edition.
Great review, as always! As you said, might be something good here after a good editing scrub and wash.. A bit of off topic question.. Will there ever be a Musting on Rune Quest??
@@Mr_Welch Yeah, the copies are a pain to find.. i fell in love with the system when a friend ran Moongoose 1st edition campaign Had a really good read of all like.. 6 books that, while not necessarily needed, we used to play.. Since he and those beautiful books moved away I am in perpetual agony.. It just has a certan charm that i still havent found in other systems i tried
The whole 144,000 bit is out of the bible. It's not just a JW thing. This game really cribs at lot of the old school Ancient Aliens theories going back to Chariots of Gods.
Although grossly misquoted by Mr. Welch, yes there is a bit of back-story to the setting that touches on the biblical 144,000 who are taken up to heaven. In our distant future the earth suffers a cataclysm that will destroy all life on the planet. Humans build several massive ships in orbit and a stargate they hope to use to travel to another habitable planet. The ships can only save 144,000 people. The stargate malfunctions and the ships are scattered across time and space. The "human" survivors go back in time 65 million years and eventually evolve into the aliens that later come back to earth and create the human race. Timey-wimey
@@christophermiraglia don't sweat it, many of these people get very triggered by biblical references. They go nuts, almost rabid, that's probably what set him off.
@@bugzilla1 Initially but it was replaced with a d20 in new Era. It also had a much higher Stat and skill level compared to Iron Kingdoms. Allowed for a much higher range of target numbers with the Stat+Skill syatem
My D12 system handles the same range of numbers as a D20. If my critics think D20 is fine, then mine is just as good. My D12 doesn't have the issues that other D12 or 2d6 games have.
I don't. But I've been to more than enough cons and game stores to recognize it. I was even Booth sitting for some friends that were cosplaying L and Light and I told him that we were actually a cure cover band and I was the drummer. He ctually had to go look up with a drummer of The Cure looked like
So... a cross between Battlefield Earth and Stargate that makes about every game design mistake possible while not being considered one of the 3 worst RPGs in history?
despite Mr. Welch's take on it, I don't believe there are any "mistakes" with the system. Much of what he interprets as bad ideas are just misunderstandings on his part about how the system works. It doesn't quite work the way he says in the video. If my system matched his explanation, then I would agree, it wouldn't work well. It has been heavily playtested and even copied by other more popular mainstream games.
It has an index of charts and tables. One of my 3 books has a glossary of alien terms, just not the one I gave for review. A more detailed index and glossary will be added to this new book.
You're thinking of Zecharia Sitchin - he wrote crackpot pseudo-histories claiming that the human race had been genetically engineered by aliens who were mining the Earth for gold. So, the author of this game seems to have drawn very liberally from his books.
Too much Zitchin??? Or not enough! Sitchin aside, the ancient Sumerians (along with all ancient cultures) believed all this stuff and they wrote it down for everyone to read. I simply look at that info as if it were true. Makes for one hell of a setting.
@@Mr_Welch Yep. You had to cheese hard right at character creation. Also it has one of my favorite editing bloopers of all in a little expansion booked for the hordes-side "Unleashed' series. They made a not-quite-magic-user class for the non-magic-gifted Dhunian earthmother worshipper races. But for some reason the Farrow pigfolk who could just be normal magic users were on the list, and Pygmy Trolls (often called Pygs) who would have been perfect for the role were not. I'm 99.9% sure someone verbally said to make the class for "Bogrin/gobbers Pygs etc" and someone heard "Pigs" and put the Farrow since those are pig-people. That class also allowed for passive regen of vitality points (Though not serious wound meat crits) which is bonkers strong.
This review would certainly make one think so ... that's why I'm so pissed. I don't mind a legit bad review, but he got nearly everything wrong and it makes a decent game look terrible. There are like 20+ good reviews of the game and it's a best-seller.
Aha, interesting, this guy can call the game "crap", and that's just fine and dandy, but when I call out these comments, I get deleted. Double standard against conservatives again!
@@UltimaHelzi picked up this game because of my deep interest in Zecharia Sitchin (I even have his books where he just translated, before he went down the rabbithole). I even have a book he did based on a tour he did of "key spots" of the holy land. I thought man, this is a neat item to add to my hoard. After the debacle when tgis video dropped, I lost interest in looking thru the book....until now. First I thought, lemme see how the comments evolved (I saw this when it first dropped). What do I see? The creator deleting his rants, logging in as sock accounts to rant at people and claim censorship. Now I want nothing to do with this, and for added hilarity a google search shows a revised edition was released. No idea what was done but dont care, just find it funny that despite all this behavior he DID address concerns.
I would love to play Scythian: the Horsening.
The bard rolls persuasion to seduce an alien overlord, trying to get some Annunookie.
Ever plan on doing overview videos on older settings like ya did with mystara? Like dark sun, spelljammer, etc.
I don't have the same level of expertise. Quality difference would be obvious
@@Mr_Welch yeah. I was just curious is all since I can't find a lot of people willing to talk about abandoned settings.
@@Mr_Welch Short of overview videos, perhaps Mad Musing reviews of the main books for each? :D
@@XenrickDHeart i hear ya.
i got a complete set (shy one boxed set) of Spelljammer....
Yeah the niburu thing is probably the planet orbiting thru the solar system since they don't have FTL, also it fits some ancient alien stuff
Exactly! They don't need light speed because Nibiru is located in our own solar system, not some far off galaxy as Mr. Welch mistakenly thought. The aliens are extremely long-lived, so the 3,600 yr orbit is nothing to them. They simply wait until their planet crosses with earth and jump off.
@@christophermiraglia Or you have aliens that like gold _so much_ they are willing to send a generation ship towards Earth.
You should totally do one on Astonishing swordsmen and sorcerers of hyperborea. It's free on scribd
I've got eleven RPGs that were given to me that I'm going to look at then I'll see where I stand after that
@@Mr_Welch glorious 🤩🤩🤩
Nice choice with the Barker pic.
I guess I'll stick with Mythic Babylon and a "slightly" anachronistic gear list.
Gamma World!!! Yes!!!!!
It's actually a lot like Gamma World in some respects. It's after the great flood and they are trying to rebuild civilization. There are lots of pre-flood ruins and ancient alien tech floating around. Barbarians on pterodactyls with ray guns!
Love me some gamma world!😍☢
4:49 like, roundly, or Ms Choksondik from Southpark?
Southpark
@@Mr_Welch Oof.
@@DIEGhostfish They have a ten foot reach spinning breast attack. However they are more susceptible to traps.
The Balu pygmies were based on real life homo-floriesiensis "hobbits". The females of that species had very elongated breasts ... it was well recorded in ancient history and became their most well-known feature. So, I put it in the book.
@@christophermiraglia as a historical fact thats interesting and I'll have to look them up now. The issue with it is a player reading that will probably focus in on it, and I stead of them being the Hobbits you wanted them to be they end up as the race with dangling boobs. Unless that sort of silliness is intended? I haven't read the book.
So seems the books creator removed his comments but let it stand to the tests of time he threw a fit over this review probably soured many people's opinions on this game not for the quality of his product but by his lack of professionalism in handling the situation. The morale of the story? Simple have tact while taking criticism people will respect that and hey can always do a new edition.
Great review, as always! As you said, might be something good here after a good editing scrub and wash..
A bit of off topic question.. Will there ever be a Musting on Rune Quest??
If I can find some decent copies for review I haven't played runequest in years
@@Mr_Welch Yeah, the copies are a pain to find.. i fell in love with the system when a friend ran Moongoose 1st edition campaign
Had a really good read of all like.. 6 books that, while not necessarily needed, we used to play..
Since he and those beautiful books moved away I am in perpetual agony..
It just has a certan charm that i still havent found in other systems i tried
The whole 144,000 bit is out of the bible. It's not just a JW thing. This game really cribs at lot of the old school Ancient Aliens theories going back to Chariots of Gods.
Although grossly misquoted by Mr. Welch, yes there is a bit of back-story to the setting that touches on the biblical 144,000 who are taken up to heaven. In our distant future the earth suffers a cataclysm that will destroy all life on the planet. Humans build several massive ships in orbit and a stargate they hope to use to travel to another habitable planet. The ships can only save 144,000 people. The stargate malfunctions and the ships are scattered across time and space. The "human" survivors go back in time 65 million years and eventually evolve into the aliens that later come back to earth and create the human race. Timey-wimey
@@christophermiraglia don't sweat it, many of these people get very triggered by biblical references. They go nuts, almost rabid, that's probably what set him off.
@@christophermiraglia And for what it's worth, I read your extremely well-written response to the video, before the coward deleted it. Well said, sir!
You say that a 1-12 system isn't good for resolution but what about 2d6 with the slight bell curve it has?
He talked about Iron Kingdoms that's 2d6 (often 3d6+modifiers for stuff you're good at) and he was still not a fan.
Red Dwarf also used a 2d6 system, and also had the exact same problems.
@@Mr_Welch Isn't Traveller also a 2d6 system?
@@bugzilla1 Initially but it was replaced with a d20 in new Era. It also had a much higher Stat and skill level compared to Iron Kingdoms. Allowed for a much higher range of target numbers with the Stat+Skill syatem
My D12 system handles the same range of numbers as a D20. If my critics think D20 is fine, then mine is just as good. My D12 doesn't have the issues that other D12 or 2d6 games have.
Was that a Deathnote reference?
Maybe someone wanted a game to legitimize the existence of the d12.
I already did Tephra which was another d12 system. Problem is they get gimmicky.
I call upon the hordes of half-orc barbarians everywhere to wield their D12 battle-axes in anger at you
@@christophermiraglia you really didn’t do yourself any favors here…
10:11 A Death Note reference? I thought you didn't watch anime.
I don't. But I've been to more than enough cons and game stores to recognize it. I was even Booth sitting for some friends that were cosplaying L and Light and I told him that we were actually a cure cover band and I was the drummer. He ctually had to go look up with a drummer of The Cure looked like
So... a cross between Battlefield Earth and Stargate that makes about every game design mistake possible while not being considered one of the 3 worst RPGs in history?
Top 3 worst rpgs have real tough contenders, this one doesn't sound near the level of cinnabar or FATAL
despite Mr. Welch's take on it, I don't believe there are any "mistakes" with the system. Much of what he interprets as bad ideas are just misunderstandings on his part about how the system works. It doesn't quite work the way he says in the video. If my system matched his explanation, then I would agree, it wouldn't work well. It has been heavily playtested and even copied by other more popular mainstream games.
Great video!When are you going to do D20 Modern?
No index?! How do you publish anything written without an index??
It has an index of charts and tables. One of my 3 books has a glossary of alien terms, just not the one I gave for review. A more detailed index and glossary will be added to this new book.
@@christophermiragliareally? Because the HC i have in hand has no indexes, so it wasnt just the review copy.
Sounds like someone read too much Zitchin (sp?) when they wrote this
You're thinking of Zecharia Sitchin - he wrote crackpot pseudo-histories claiming that the human race had been genetically engineered by aliens who were mining the Earth for gold. So, the author of this game seems to have drawn very liberally from his books.
@@scottmcgreal7779 that is exactly who I mean
Too much Zitchin??? Or not enough! Sitchin aside, the ancient Sumerians (along with all ancient cultures) believed all this stuff and they wrote it down for everyone to read. I simply look at that info as if it were true. Makes for one hell of a setting.
IKRPG you'd at least USUALLY be rolling 3d6 for something you were good at.
Against a normal target number of 13 with a +6 bonus. That game was also crippled by its glacial character improvement
@@Mr_Welch Yep. You had to cheese hard right at character creation. Also it has one of my favorite editing bloopers of all in a little expansion booked for the hordes-side "Unleashed' series. They made a not-quite-magic-user class for the non-magic-gifted Dhunian earthmother worshipper races. But for some reason the Farrow pigfolk who could just be normal magic users were on the list, and Pygmy Trolls (often called Pygs) who would have been perfect for the role were not. I'm 99.9% sure someone verbally said to make the class for "Bogrin/gobbers Pygs etc" and someone heard "Pigs" and put the Farrow since those are pig-people. That class also allowed for passive regen of vitality points (Though not serious wound meat crits) which is bonkers strong.
@@Mr_Welch A lot of it happens during ice ages so...
God Speid to the creator of that RPG!
First good comment I've seen!
talk about a crap RPG...christ
This review would certainly make one think so ... that's why I'm so pissed. I don't mind a legit bad review, but he got nearly everything wrong and it makes a decent game look terrible. There are like 20+ good reviews of the game and it's a best-seller.
your just making it sound even worse that you have to defend it so much
Aha, interesting, this guy can call the game "crap", and that's just fine and dandy, but when I call out these comments, I get deleted. Double standard against conservatives again!
@@christophermiraglia they aren't acting in good faith, they delete every post in favor of the game. This channel is biased af
@@davidfearson8979 found a shill
How did you manage to seem to read this without understanding any of it? Stunningly large amounts of cluelessness here!
Hi Chris
@@UltimaHelz wow, more censorship, how surprising! Going to delete this comment too?
@@UltimaHelz wow, now deleting even more comments!
@@davidfearson8979 Bro I literally can't delete comments, but keep acting like a child because someone gave a game a bad review.
@@UltimaHelzi picked up this game because of my deep interest in Zecharia Sitchin (I even have his books where he just translated, before he went down the rabbithole). I even have a book he did based on a tour he did of "key spots" of the holy land.
I thought man, this is a neat item to add to my hoard.
After the debacle when tgis video dropped, I lost interest in looking thru the book....until now. First I thought, lemme see how the comments evolved (I saw this when it first dropped).
What do I see? The creator deleting his rants, logging in as sock accounts to rant at people and claim censorship.
Now I want nothing to do with this, and for added hilarity a google search shows a revised edition was released. No idea what was done but dont care, just find it funny that despite all this behavior he DID address concerns.
Sorry about offending your safe space!
I mean, your whole "review" boils down to "OH NO, IT'S HARDER THAN D&D, I'M CONFUSED!!!" Pathetic