WILL IT START? 1962 DIESEL TRAIN LOCOMOTIVE!
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are you guys gonna bring those swtichers back to service again or more display and demo purposes
Are the trains in tracks
@@Dodgeviper591 : The various locomotives appear to be on the ground (not on rail). Old track is in close proximity.
@@jamesreillytrains oh
Flywheelers show is such a good time, It's been years since I've gotten to go, I really should make it out there one weekend.
You know its a good engine when shutting it off is harder than starting it!
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When stuff was built to last. I LOVE it.
Who knew Plymouth made a quality product? oh wait it's a Cummins engine lol
Ya gave it away.
@@samholdsworth420 what a waste. Letting a quality engine rust in the sun when it can be reused as a power generator or a water pump system
Incredible! What a testament to the quality that went into these machines. My mother was an engineer with the Florida Historical Railroad in Parrish. She would have loved this. She was passionate about resurrecting old diesel locomotives.
How will the train run if there’s no train tracks under it
Look behind the train in the video there is old train tracks maybe someone can put it on the train tracks and do the choo-choo
@@michellepierce2195 It made it to that spot without tracks. I'm just spitballing here, but if we were to reverse the process I do believe it be a step in the right direction.
@@michellepierce2195 A lot of the people that donate their time to these resurrections are really, really good at making the "choo choo" sound.
@@michellepierce2195 Choo Choo is steam sweetie.
Old Cummins mechanic here, started for Cummins in Grand Rapids in 1969. The first engine that started was a small cam NTA 380 hp most likely. Has an after cooler in the center of the intake manifold. PT (pressure timed) fuel pump with a MVS governor (mechanical variable speed). that works when the upper throttle lever is activated. Small cam engine, 5 1/2" bore.
The engine with the external fuel lines to each cylinder is either a 4 7/8" or 5 1/8" bore. Could be a 2 valve head or 4 valve. This engine was out of production pretty much when I started in 1969. I did work on hundreds of these though.
Both engine had 3 push rods per cylinder with the center push rod operating the injector plunger to compress the fuel thru the injector cup in a fine mist. Three lobes on the cam per cylinder.
Big cam engines IIRC came out in the mid 1970s. Previous poster had it right on how to tell by the cam roller boxes along the side of the block below the fuel pump.
I worked on a couple of L Cummins in switchers. They were very old when I started. Think they were about 6 1/2" bore and ran at slow rpm of either 1,600 or 1,200 rpm.
Thank you for your cervix
Amazing how well these run/ran -
was shocked (& NOT shocked) when the "Old" engine turned over and started instantly.
Designed to OPERATE - and to not be finicky - as long as they had basics
impressive
@@SanjanaRanasingha In the late 70years I have participated in courses about the KT models in international payloaders. Here in Heidelberg Germany
@@heinzfissimatent4294 wow 🥺
I may have met you in Grand Rapids, I was Cummins factory rep mid '70's and used to come and visit Paul Gauthier, and yes, you are right on with the engine they started, the old aftercooler box gives it away.
I'm not even a mechanic... BUT I have fallen in love with these videos! I've always looked at old motors like this in abandoned vehicles and wondered what it would take to re-start them. This is incredibly fascinating. These old motors were such incredible feats of engineering.
Its near impossible to not get old engines back up and running. Those things were meant to last.
not meant to last, meant to be fixed quickly so the train could get moving again…
Man could you imagine if one of the railroads in Florida took those and restored them to functioning condition how nice they would be , they would be nice for yard switching. It's sad that they are rotting away and sitting abandoned.
Honestly, none of them would take too much to get running again. Too bad rail is dying other than freight.
Considering that they appear to be looked after, maybe there's hope for them. Maybe that's why one is torn apart, and two of them want to start.
@@GetDougDimmadomed there's probably heritage railways that would kill for a little unit like those
@@russelljones3221 As part of a heritage railway that's currently looking for an engine about this size...Yeah, we'd be interested in a running one.
@@GetDougDimmadomed they're probably broken internally or too outdated for practical use
Great work guys! Just a thought before starting on a restoration. The lining of the cab on the second Plymouth had that white fluffy sprayed-on Asbestos look about it. I could imagine it may be a bit of insulation for hot/cold climates. Might be worthwhile getting it tested before stripping the cab. Asbestos is bad stuff but was used back in the day as it was cheap and a good insulator - breathing in only a few fibres can lead to lung disease years later and down the track (no pun intended). I'm just mentioning it as we had a friend who use to work in a naval shipyard in the 1970's removing the asbestos lagging from inside ships and submarines. Unfortunately It got to him later in life. Took 45 years. Be safe!
Oooh a train, this is gonna be fun
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Bruce is back and just killing it with the content. Planes trains and automobiles my friends!!!!
That first one wanted to run with no problem. I'm thinking an excellent candidate for restoration.
The first locomotive they started wanted to be in the series of “will it shut off”
Amazed that those old locomotives started! You just can’t beat a diesel! Great content!
an old diesel at that
In case someone hasn't answered it yet. Yes that was the hand brake. I use to run one of those often switching oil refinery. We called them dinkys.
Thanks for dropping so many episodes. Love having you back!! I really appreciate being able to watch your channel again. Keep up the awesome content!
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That first one you got running is a NTA 380. It has an aneroid valve mounted up beneath the intake manifold instead of the later AFC PT fuel pump.
I’d have to say that the fuel pump solenoid is screwed in, and that’s why it won’t shut down.
Oh thanks for the info
I think your a mechanic?😄🤔
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Nice to see old bits of machinery and kit being bought back to life!. Great job!....
My dad and I used to be in a railroad club that had these smaller switcher engines. They are probably vintage late 40’s or 50’s. Very cool old pieces of American history.
These engines are built to last for eternity. That is real quality mechanic work.
Great video fellas
I ran a 1953 general electric twin engine yard engine for 13:years. We retired it around 2005 .
Cool to see you guys get the old girls running again.
Really happy to have you back Bruce, I know I’ve commented on all your other videos that you’ve posted so far, but I like this one the best. you’re really getting back into the flow of things too. I could tell you were pretty rusty on the first couple videos , but now you’re back in the swing of things just like you were before. You picked up kinda almost where you just left off.
It’s really great to see and be honest in that downtime you really got yourself together, so maybe the probation thing was a blessing in disguise! you know what I’m saying, you had your son , and now you got another bean in the oven! you got your businesses up and running great
, you got your shop running great and business is moving ! everything is moving and you’re working hard , you and your brother got the hobby shop , and everything‘s looking up man!so take it all as a blessing in disguise.
sometimes Things happen to us that seem to be the worst ever and I can see that when they told you you couldn’t do TH-cam videos anymore ,it was really a kick in the balls. because it’s like your subscriber base was growing so much and so quick and the momentum was right there.
that’s like somebody in the music industry who has a whole bunch of hits and doesn’t continue on and they become one hit wonders because they’d stop dropping the music and stop becoming relevant.
But you were able to pick off right where you left off ,and continue on and we missed you buddy . good to see you back congratulations on the son and the one on the way ! congrats to you and your brother with the businesses and blessings to all you the whole family.
amber,Aaron,moms, pops and the little ones!!
We love ya Bruce!
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Down time? Think you mean jail time lol
I think he does mean downtime. And that downtime came with paternity. Not a criminal background.
@@blowinkk9396 whatever the case may be either or it doesn't matter its a time of reflection and getting yourself TOGETHER look at what he's accomplished during that time!
Plus he seems way more chill and humble than he was before too be honest, look at us demeanor compared to before. He matured quite a bit.
Hey I got pinned for once in my life lol awesome I did mean everything I said and I'm no means a ass kisser. When someone changes and you see the good in them and change in a positive light, the deserve to be told so.
You are the only reason I'm still watching YT, great video brother, and thanks for sharing.
Hope it start's looks like an absolute unit Bruce
Love the Will it start aspect, but you could’ve put more of the older engines and steam as well. I could watch that stuff all day
Fun Fact: the ordinance depot at Pune (Dehu Ord Depot) still has this locomotive in use to transfer materials....
i was lucky enough to ride it 3 times, and even drive it for a while....they call her the Deccan Queen
She's still up and running
Those are some rare Plymouth switchers! That’s awesome I’m glad they’re at a good home!
I'm glad someone restoring the old locomotives, it should be sitting on rails so wheels wouldn't be in dirt.
What a beautiful machine!
It deserves to be completely restored and never abandoned again.
I’m from Westby Wisconsin and was visiting a friend in land o lakes in February. He and I went to the February show and we’re crawling around on those Plymouths. How crazy is this that I accidentally came across this vid of you getting them started. Good job! Was an interesting show. Hope you all are ok after the hurricane.
That 855 ran so good didn’t want to shut off!
For an engine that is that old it sounds REALLY GOOD!
That first one runs so nice, seems like that engine would go into a tractor or something and go back to work.
Yeah It wants to live! Im sure it was put in storage for that reason. Hopefully it will get to live on in a tractor loader or excavator.
it's definitely alive and kicking, isn't it?
I don't think I've ever seen those GE Plymouth fifty and twenty five tonners before. Those would have been used on industrial businesses along CSX or at the many grain elevators in the midwest. Whatever engines GE put in them were built to last and many of them are still in use today!
CSX has a lot of trackage through "Bone Valley" in central FL where there are huge phosphate mines . Would make sense that these are old switchers from that way
@@MinimaxDieselDude I didn't know what the Bone Valley was until Danny Harmon came along.. :D
Plymouth locomotive works was in Plymouth Ohio. Not affiliated with GE. They were mostly small mechanical drive engines using gasoline and diesel motors. GE made small diesel electric switchers and they made the electrical equipment for the big boys like Alco and the last Baldwin's used GE after Westinghouse exited the business. And of course they started making their own full size diesel electric locomotives and overtook EMD to become number one.
@@robgm6926 glad someone beat me to it. Living only 5 mins from the plant. And who’s great grandfather helped build them sure nice to see them still out there. There’s even a few still running in the industries around here. Also there was/is a small company the restores them in the next town over in Shiloh.
@@robgm6926 thank you for sharing the history of these unique units. As I said, I never have seen anything like them and actually this channel was the last place I was expecting to see Bruce try to start four very rare switchers!
Those old Cummins would be cool to put in an old medium duty cabover like a ford N series or C series or even a gmc short nose from the late 40's to early 50's. Those old flywheel engines are cool as well, I've restored a couple small Fairbanks- Morse gas hit and miss engines but would love to mess with one of those big diesel ones.
I don't think anybody has ever done a will it start on a Locomotive!!! Lol
Whole lot of copycats out there!
@@Bruce_Wilson You are so right about copycats Bruce ! Suppose all the" jailbirds" are trying to emulate your lifestyle ?
I did one at Cape Kennedy in real life. Jumper started an ALCo S-2 from an EMD SW8M. Shocked the crew when they saw my jumper cables and even more so when they saw how fast the S-2 started when hooked up. Look Ma, no Ether needed!
I grew up 15 minutes from Plymouth Ohio where the Plymouth Locomotive factory used to be. The place has been closed over 20 years. Know many old timers that retired from there.
Coolest one so far no one ever does trains good jobs guys
As a Railfan I'm loving this
That’s pretty amazing that a diesel can just be started like that after sitting god knows how long.
why?
Diesel fuel doesn't spoil or foul the engine like gasoline; in fact, it's a very good preservative. Diesels are thus some of the most forgiving engines in this regard, and as such usually will start with a reasonable amount of effort after sitting for any length of time as long as they were protected from direct water.
This is so awesome that you are doing this and it's wonderful to hear those oldies running.
The first one you trued to get going before it blew the lime really was trying hard to run . It had a nightly kick over going.
Result..... Can't keep a old train down.
And those other things you showed at the fair was amazing.
I just love the sound of those old engines.
They sound like absolute beasts.
Ahh, finally, the content that hooked me. Would definitely love to go see those flywheelers in person some day.
Forget Will It Start now we have Will It Stop 😄
You should totally do a will it start on that old firetruck I'm with halfway that things badass.
Now the question is will it go forward on a track that would be fun
You are going to have so many stories to tell your grandchildren and they will have videos.
Love the flywheels show.
Hello from Siesta Key Florida
Have you been able to go to one? I’ve been able to go and there is so much stuff and my favorite things were these trains
It looks like a lot of fun and I hope that I can make it to one someday.
Wow. That first diesel just cranked right up. Awesome! Shame someone doesn't want to refurbish that old beauty.
There are more "old beauties" than there are people to refurbish them. Then there are fuel economy and emissions issues. Then, for companies, there are tax issues which we the people know little about except that they exist. Maybe they get so many writes off buying new equipment that it's not worth putting even functional old equipment back in service.
Old engines might have some use as stationary engines. But there are an awful lot of them around, and why not use a truck engine for that purpose? A truck engine probably would be cheaper and easier to keep running.
Every kids dream is to play with real trains.
You're right bro
Great Video, Bruce.. and glad you're back, "on track"... pun intended, here. lol The last Plymouth you showed here, is powered by a Cat D326 - 185hp at 2000 rpm. The locomotive is a "J" Series (Plymouth 15-25Ton) - 20 Ton. As far as the other three Cummins powered Plymouths, there... None of the Plymouth's with Cummins were ever rated over 300hp, in fact.. were rated from 165 - 300hp and the engine models were the HRB1 (165hp), HRS-600 (225hp), NHS (260/275hp) & NHRS (300hp). There were No "small or big cam" designations with these early model NH Series Cummins.
Other prime movers within this class of locomotives were GM Diesel (4 & 6-71's), The Cat D326, and Hercules (DRXC/Diesel[144hp@2100] & RXLD/Gas [148hp@2100]). Would be REALLY interesting to find a Plymouth M/W Class (25 to 45 ton) with a 6-110 GM Diesel (aka "Detroit Diesel") which were rated at 275hp @ 1800 rpm (Naturally Aspirated with a Centrifugal blower on the early GM models [1945 - 1952 & Roots blown from late 1952 - 1965], turbo's added after 1960 to 1965).
I would bet that if you found one that had a 110 in it, it would need rebuilt. A 6-71 would make me feel at home as that is what we had for generators and one of the two types we had to assemble and have running for certification class on Detroits. The other was an 8V71. Our main engines were their bigger brothers, the NA12V71. We got from the Army some others which were rebuilt before use that were designed for use in tanks. >600HP at War Power but rated for only 24 hours at that rating before need for rebuild.
@@gravelydon7072.... Thanks for your reply.. very interesting. I don't understand why the V12's would ever need to be rebuilt after a measly "24 hours" at only 600hp. What "vintage" (year of production) were the V12's... do you remember?
@@Romans--bo7br No, I do not. We got them as surplus. They did have the cast covers. They were not the normal 12V71s that I expected but had injectors that were twice the size of the normal ones and were twin turbocharged. We were offered 7 of the 10 the DRMO had. We got the Army to pick up the shipping also as the USACE was responsible for the engines in our buildings. They were, IRC, set up to run at 2500 RPM which meant that they were really putting out the power but not at what they were listed at. You could get 600 out of other versions without cutting into their lifetimes. My guess is that the 600 was at normal loads/RPM and when pushed to war power, may have gotten to over 1.2K. The sheet that DDA supplied would not show anything above the 600. Nor would it say what the max RPM was for those engines. Marine type 12V71s could put out 900HP at 2300RPM. www.dieselpartsdirect.com/documents/detroit-diesel-specs/12v71ti-marine.pdf These were not equipped with the 9215s so may have been the 9A31s which DDA would not talk about in the 71s.
We had a 4-53 when I worked for the State that was rated for a no load speed of 3005RPM and it screamed.
I hauled several old Plymouth locomotives that had IH td18 engines that of course started on gas and switched to diesel. The rule of thumb is 10 horsepower per ton, more than that spins the wheels, less than that and it's too lame, same formula for bulldozers.
@@Colt-tf6xf Our Cleveland Model 110 trencher had an older UD-9 engine in it. Under gasoline power it would move itself. But to dig you had to switch to the Diesel. Which in our rock down here meant you were going to be moving at about 60 feet per hour. But were digging a 24" wide trench 4 feet deep. Want something to drink, get off and get it and when you get back, it will only have moved a few feet.
These videos are some of my favorite content. Keep up the good work!
It's been one week since I discovered this channel..fully hooked and with this new discovery, I won't again fear diesel engines..these things live and live..I miss being a mechanic😅
The sound of the Fair Banks is awesome
There's a screw on the solenoid that is used to manually open the fuel valve. Check that
I have been watching on my computer for 13 hours and when I stand up felt so good to be standing up
I really need to make it to the Florida flywheelers one day, I am not very far away either.
Something about will it start train videos is so satisfying. 😎
Never thought I would see you messing around with trains but I like a change 😏
Neat old equipment.
Safe Journey! CHOLULA!!!
If it runs, that would make an awesome power generator.
The first question I have to ask is if it will be happy at 1800 rpm? So much of the RR stiff is super low speed, which is why the engines last so long.
@@rupe53 no slow trains are 40mph
@@district2productions ... talking about engine RPM, not road speed.
just last January my dad and I took a visit there and saw these trains and we spent hours just looking at them, we figured that it'd be a tough task to get these things running but it didn't seem too hard from your video, we also saw a can of ether and a few other things around the last train telling us that someone was trying to start it. anyways, very cool video and very cool to know that they can actually run!
Wow, the world is really small. My grandfather took me to this very festival when I was a boy and I have pictures of me climbing on each of the locomotives in this video. Totally wild!
Really cool seeing the old machinery that help build America.
I think I fed you guys breakfast this morning at flywheelers LOL I run the kitchen/mess hall there I thought that was you this morning I noticed as you’re walking away you had a blue collar shirt on so cool to finally see somebody try to start those engines!
Yessir!
@@Bruce_Wilson wish I had said something
just have a run-away train that won't get anywhere. awesome video. cool to see you get it running, even with a board on the intake
Bruce glad to have you back and this is possibly the best will it start video ever. Keep up the great content brother.
I'm thrilled.... these great Alton machines... Technology that inspires...best regards from Germany.
The handle you found inside the locomotive you entered is indeed a brake. The handbrake. Mainly used when the locomotive is stationary.
I use to work at Plymouth locomotives as a welder we would weld the trucks and the frame’s. They’re no longer in business they closed in the mid to late 90’s
I grew up in Greenwich. My mom grew up in Plymouth so I know many of the retirees from Plymouth locomotive
You have seriously stepped up your content!!
Absolutely love it
These machines are made to last forever all American can’t be beat but appreciate .
I would love to see you take the train wheels of, put tractor tires on, and send it.
Weighs 80,000 pounds lol
@@Bruce_Wilson.... Welcome back, Bruce!! Great video... by the way, I answered your question that you posed at the end of this video.... read my reply, above. Not all four of these locos were "40 tonner's" (M/W Class [25 - 45 ton] - Plymouth's), and the last one is a "J" Class (15 - 25 tons). Great to see a "Will it Start" video of something beyond the usual Cars & Trucks of various sizes, etc.... "keep em" coming!!
"Will it start" videos of engines in "not so common" applications.... is Very Interesting, as well as educational, as they expose many people to things they've never seen or been around, before.
Those are called Yard switching Locomotives, used to move other train cars around the yard.
these things are cool. didn't we see another diesel train will it start at one point in the past on this channel? this turned into a will lit stop video pretty fast
Great to see ol Halfway again in vids too guy is a natural in front of the camera! this is vintage Bruce like you never even left 👍
Smashing it with the killer content since you've been back. You were missed. Keep on keeping on!
great job👍👍
Man Bruce keep doing these awesome will it starts thanks for coming back man I have watched your videos since you started
Ahhh the way I found you…will it starts. Glad to see you getting back to your roots man!
That old engine started and ran better than a lot of new engines
I’ve looked at those every time I go to the flywheeler show one of them has spay on foam in the cab to insulate it when they added an A/C unit on it
the one tractor that was moving under its own power looks like a going to town rig for mama.
Cool old train’s my boys love old things thanks keep up the good work
Im pretty sure the engine in the first loco you started up, was a KTA 450 big cam cummins. Judging by the intake manifold
Wow those locomotives look awesome…. Big difference from the ones I run at my job
Been watching a lot of anvil/grinder restoration vids, ain't no way I could restore that let alone a locomotive though I wish I could. I've always thought it would be a fun if probably impossible task of turning an old Santfe Style engine into an RV even if only the shell was used.
I frigging love old motors lol 😆glad to see you uploading again
Most likely it's a 32 volt system but could be a 64 volt system as well. Locomotives today are 64 volt(charges at 72 volts)
I kinda doubt it cranked that well on 24 if it's 64 volts but what do I know
@@rrhh5157 those really older ones could be just 24 volt. I work on little newer stuff then that. Sd40 and gp38 and newer
Oh wow it bring back memories from my childhood.
Just makes me sad to see these old engines out in the elements rusting away.
How awesome is it to see you back Bruce and I'm so glad to see it will it start don't let him get you down
I would love to have one of these in my yard, cause i would stop spending money on stupid shit and spend my life building a train and tracks haha - and i blame that on driving a steam train and been sucked in ever since.
Sucks our local train museum closed and now owned privately and they don't have the money to restore the place so its sad seeing history fade away
So thanks for entertaining us :)
nah, it never ends. Trust me. Ive spent 30 something years buying useless interesting shit.
glad you took the time to go thru the show- i used to go to many shows in michigan, need to do some this coming year
This was a cool one to watch. We have a GE loco from around the same time period that we use daily at a repair shop where i work. Have had plenty of time operating it and it is a stout piece of machinery
Thanks so much Bruce for inspiring me to do what you do!!
Keep doing a great content Bruce !! I love to watch your contents so much!! Keep going dear Bruce❤️🔥! And hello from Malaysia 👋
REALLY LOVE HAVING SEEING YOUR VIDEOS AGAIN.... HELL YA BROTHA
Ive got a genuine question bruce. Do you ever think you will build another flatty? Or at least some sort of mud rig to rip burnouts in? You should come out to cleetus and cars indy in may. Id love to meet ya
For sure!
@@Bruce_Wilson sweet. Cant wait to see you send the rods through that hoe
@@Bruce_Wilson do u come across any deutz stuff for sale
@@Bruce_Wilson That`s one way to power a village in a zombie apocalypse lol :)
Really enjoyed this video, the old switcher engines were new showing, I think you are the first with old switches, plus I like the old iron that made America what it is today
After the first motor, I was thinking you could start a new series… “Will it stop?”
Loved watching these originals start up being a modern locomotive mechanic 😂😂
Do you really expect us to believe it fired up that quick after sitting for how long?
My small cam Cummins started like that after sitting 10 years. They’re absolute beasts
It happens
I believe it
Coolest Will it Start candidates to date. IMO