I found it interesting that William, left for so long in his AR, eventually goes violent and berserk. That kind of mirrors what happened to James Delos when he was left alive in his last iteration, rather than burned down right away as in his previous ones.
Hi Robert One of the hosts being printed is Clementine The image that shows the 4 hosts being printed with the percentage of completion shows the Hosts ID One of the ID perfectly matches with Clementine's ID seen on a previous episode tablet
Damnit I almost wish there weren't people as attentive as you sometimes lol. I kept trying to think of a reason she would come back, but couldn't rationalize it after what happened to her at the end of s2. Did you think to look that up on your own?
I don’t think Armistice is one, but I do think one is her opposite from Shogun World. Only because the actress who played Armistice wasn’t at the premiere but the actress who played the shogun world character was and so was Clementine actress. Another was Hector but he’s gone.
There was a '2001: A Space Odyssey' reference in Season 3, Episode 1 when Delores broke into Gerald's home and reprogrammed his home security system. When Gerald makes a request of the computer, it roughly replies, "Sorry, Gerald - I can't do that for you."
I like how D's 'liberation' of humanity has dark consequences (the suicide of the therapist) - sometimes, ignorance is bliss. As in The Matrix. This was a brilliant episode.
One other thing that’s been on my mind is that people seem to have forgotten that the real Hale murdered Elsie! That was after she recorded the message for her son. Delores knows that happened, so Halores knows it. It seems like a lost opportunity that she didn’t have to grapple with that at all. Although it could be said that when she killed the creep with the dog and thanked him because he had reminded her *who she was*, she was remembering that Hale was a killer, not that Delores was. I’d love to hear anyone else’s take on all that!
if You recall , Ford told him , if Your looking into the future, you're looking into the wrong place.. Ford meant he needs to look into his past... when he was talking to Ford. This was the Young Ford talking to William before William shot him.. in season 2.
That message Charlotte sent to her son, was actually a coded message to Serac. She had to inform him of the extreme emergency, and to coordinate a way to get the information out. Serac was the one that Charlotte was talking to about her extraction. The song was part of the code. Believe Charlotte was actually a good parent if you wish, but she had apparently forgotten to pick him up consistently.
I had a definite video-game vibe from this episode, particularly with Maeve's arc. As if she'd been put in the simulation to 'git good' through repetition. That shot of her bleeding out into the host milk in episode 4 could almost have had a 'YOU DIED" caption over it...
Maybe it was Delores who blew up “Haleores’s” car to bring her back in line and on “team Delores” as we’ve seen how easy it was to manipulate the Ricco app. Maybe she used that to dispose of the aggravation of Hale’s family whilst ensuring Haleores is so angry she will do everything she can to destroy Surak?
William sort of becomes a compatibilist regarding the issue of free will, when he answers the question of whether he's just a passenger whom life happens to, or whether he chooses it, with: "If you can't tell one way or the other, what does it matter?".
Don't ever discount the fact that while William may have had violent tendencies, he tried working through them as a young adult, as he says inwas the best of you.. and also chose to be a white hat before Delores incident. William truly wanted to be a good person
Given that we know Rehoboam calculates multiple scenarios/pathways, and its creators had a very pessimistic interpretation of humanity, is it possible that Rehoboam is only considering the worst parts of humanity in its algorithms/predictions? In this way, is Rehoboam to Serac as Dolores is to Ford? I mean, will Rehoboam achieve sentience? Can both Rehoboam and Dolores find the "splendor" of humanity by examining human optimism and charity?
Hale (Dolores) just made the same mistake as Maeve: She think she can protect her family from Serac, and we are probably gonna see the same happens on Maeve. It’s a parallel metaphor the show runners made.
why do you think Serac bombed the car? my idea is it was Dolores knowing full well Halores would survive to think it's him. he's anything but sloppy. he would never leave her corps there unchecked with possibly two Dolores balls to explore.
This really misrepresents what happened with William. The AR session seems to fail when William gets upset at seeing what may be a traumatic moment from his youth, leading to him being taken back to his cell. The group session with his former selves seems to be a hallucination at first. It is only when Bernard finds him that William is revealed to have still been in the AR session. Maeve doesn't rewrite Hector. She realizes that he's in a mind egg in the room with her, and connects him to the Hector in the simulation. This is why he collapses after the orb is destroyed (though he really should have collapsed as soon as the orb was removed). Maeve isn't one of the assets pulled from the park. She is already out of the park. So it was Hector and 2 others (Clementine and probably Hanaryo). Charlores was retrieving the host creation code. This is mentioned during one of her phone conversations with Dolores.
Bernard and Stubbs just showing up (as Stubbs just showing up at a random location a few ep. ago) in crisp white outfits makes me think something funny is going on here.
thank you for making these videos im not a native english speaker and this helps a lot with comprehending the story sinds it is hard to translate in my head and pick up on what is actually being sayed. really good vids. happy you dint go out the door when got ended
The thesis that humans don't change is a concept that Ford as well (especially noted in S2). It makes me wonder if Ford's game was to debunk this premise or to prove it right. Based on William's redemption arc Ford's game is turning out to very interesting
- I honestly don’t think we’re seeing anything in a mirror world of Rehoboam. - And a variable that Serac hasn’t seemed to take into account, as far as I can tell, is William and his redemption...One of those human aspects Rehoboam doesn’t seem to be able to account for. - What I saw in next weeks trailer, we’re going to get a lot more back story into Caleb.
Haloris did make a backup of the host data. Also, "You only live as long as the last person who remembers you." If Dolores could remember Bernard, Maeve could do it for Hector later.
Loved the episode. Although I did find the William re-write strange....and him getting in a fight as a kid is suppose to mean he was like screwed from the start? That felt weak to me. They could have come up with something that made a bit more sense.
Agree. He killed his daughter, led his wife to suicide, raped D and then killed all his earlier selves rather brutally and horribly. As a child he hurt people who called his dad names. D kills to escape slavery and survive in a hostile world. What has he done to deserve redemption?
It's fitting that Bernard (Arnold) would be the one to perhaps team up with William.. since William spent so much time searching for Arnold .. or Arnolds Maze.
It's Clementine. She's in the promo pics. I hope she has Armistice too. I don't know if I'd like to see more Maeves unless it helps her escape Serac😁🤖🤯 Awesome episode and videos Robert ❤️ you make em so fast!!👏👏
Yes one is Clementine, people matched up her host number. Speculation is the other is Armistice's shogun mirror Hanaryo as Tao Okamoto attended the season 3 premiere. No Lee Sizemore as he's a lowly human.
Series 3 EP 2 Maeve says “the digital world is faster then the real world...that’s why they look like everyone is moving slow in the iPad” was strange to point out
The line that William says at the end of his AR is the same one Angela says his first time in westworld. If you can’t tell the difference, does it matter? Is he now seeing the hosts in a new light?
William was actually the good guy if you remember when he was young visiting the park.After the realisation that Dolores isnt real he goes on a host killing spree thinking it doesnt matter and that indeed turns him into the man in black.He becomes paranoid he even cut his wrist too see if he is not a host himslef and then after he kills his daughter , in the suffering he starts questioning his own reality like the hosts did.Seems like he finaly found the maze he was looking for in the park.
9:24 sums up Westworld Season 3: People can Change... for the better. Deloris already acknowledged this in Episode 1 and all the characters go through an "inner journey" to confront their real selves... Mavve might change for the worse - this duplicity of human nature.... I wonder if Rohoboam knows/programmed to iterate?
So, they apparently used some Strangelove music in a trailer. Ok. Yet, what was the "fatal error" of mankind in Strangelove. It was the Ruskies automation of a nuclear counterstrike that couldn't be disabled. And the bigger error that doomed makind? The Ruskies failed to warn the US of this failsafe. So the Russian Corbomite strategy failed in it's essential deterrent purpose. There's some reverse top spin symmetry here with Serac and Rehoboam. Somebody figure it out for me . . .
Can someone explain to me the difference between James Delos in the pod and Lee/Logan/Ford in the simulation/cradle? Why is Delos unstable and the others functional?
ford explained that his copy is pure, so long as it stays in the cradle. once it is planted in a host, it becomes unstable and begins to degrade as it begins taking in new stimuli, and it rejects it's new reality. they don't know why yet, and that is why they are incapable of creating a body for humans to live forever in. i suspect it has something to do with all the things our brain is occupied with as it negotiates thousands of bodily functions. if you are no longer in a human body, your brain would get confused not having to breathe, digest, etc. no hormones or chemicals to administer...it would fry itself trying to understand on a subconscious level....
There was so much going on easter eggs everywhere.Then tha ending blew my mind. Pulled on my parent heart strings when she's reassuring everything was going to be ok.then boom.Then her face you could feel her pain.
I just think with only two episodes left it's a bit too late to try to say oh just kidding this is all a simulation let's try it again it just feels like way too cheap for as much effort as the writers and directors and showrunners and put into the show
It's more likely that Dolores blew up the vehicle because Serac said he needed Charbot alive and Charbot's emotions to her not-real family was a liability to Dolores's master plan. And even though we see one of Serac's guards radioing in after he sees the car burning, we don't see any one placing the bomb in the car or remotely detonating it. But what we do know is that blowing sh*t up has been Dolores's style lately this season. Ultimately, this could backfire on Dolores. Charbot will probably join forces with Maeve and her new crew, along with Stubbs, Bernard, William, and also use her 300 Spartans, err i mean, riot control robots against Dolores.
I think that Dolores pearl 5 which is in Berlin, is in a Ford body. Like season 2 when Ford was in Bernard, He was in one of the pearls Dolores took with her from the park. Maeve vs. Dolores is secondary. The real fight in the finale is inside the Rehoboam system for control by Ford & Sarac. Sarac downloaded himself into Rehoboam years ago. He hasn't had a physical body in years.
Couple things: You didn't touch on the fact that Haleores's data didn't get out of Delos. Serac suggested that she was being watched the whole time, and that it was only made to look like it got out. Also Haleores sure looked like a changed person after the car explosion. Humans and hosts seem to change quite a bit after a loved one dies. Talk about a cornerstone! I suspect that Haleores will, as a changed host, throw a wrench in Delores's plans and be extra vengeful. How, I don't know.
Regarding timelines, last episode, Bernard took Conel's(?) clicker which points back to Ep 1 where Bernard has a longer beard and a clicker. Would imply those scenes are sometime in the future.
I could see that, but i don't think she would be a good person to be on top either. She doesn't give a shit about humans or hosts really. Only people and hosts she cares about.
@@user-wy1et9dk9w Agree, which is why I don't want her to win, or at least she should join sides with D against humanity. I prefer D's vision of the future.
In regards to hector's "Death", Robert, that may not be the end as the control-module Charlotte Abernathy destroyed is just a duplicate of the original one back on Delos island also I would not be surprised at all if Serac had backup copies of all the duplicated CMs made just for this eventuality.
Serac wants to be rid of the hosts, and we saw decommissioned hosts being torched, so I doubt he made copies of anything. I doubt he wants to send Maeve to the Sublime, either.
@@katies3338 I think he'll keep copies so long as he needs then once he's achieved his goals he'd destroy them. As for sending Maeve to the Valley Beyond you definitely have a point.
I wonder if we haven't already been seeing our Kubrikian 2001 references all season. It occurs to me that Rehoboam itself looks very much like the Discovery One (albeit with a voiceless HAL). That satellite download scene was reminiscent as well.
Correction - I was wrong. Charlotte said it was Connell’s in the call she made. I’m curious - they let us assume she was calling Deloris - but that’s the call she said the tracking paid off - seems like she was calling Bernard maybe? Like maybe she was already going off Prime Deloris’s plan and working with them? I̶’̶l̶l̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶w̶a̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶p̶i̶s̶o̶d̶e̶ ̶-̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶l̶o̶r̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶q̶u̶e̶s̶t̶i̶o̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶p̶y̶ ̶S̶e̶r̶a̶c̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶C̶o̶n̶n̶e̶l̶l̶s̶?̶
it's not augmented reality therapy. that is what this channel called it, but he is mistaken. the first clue he is wrong is that it is vr, not augmented reality.... and ar therapy is a thing that exists. it has nothing to do with augmented reality. it's accelerated resolution therapy, his doctor clearly explained it in the episode, but only called it by it's anagram.
Why do you think Charlotte/Delores chose to destroy Hector/Hector's pearl? It seemed as though she considered then deliberately did it. This would clearly incite Maeve to pursue Delores. Previously this season, Delores seemed to benignly view other hosts and let them go on their way. So, why?
As Marlores tells Maeve, it's to get rid of hosts that would be fighting them. Charlores actually starts to go towards Maeve next after she takes out Hector but is stopped by being attacked. Also, if Maeve is really smart she'd realize that Serac will not honor their arrangement. If they succeeded in taking out Dolores, Hector would be just as dead when Serac got rid of them.
Why no mention of Charlotte’s es referring to her as “Charlie” multiple times in this episode? Although human Charlotte is dead, did this grant credence to Arnold as her father? Charlotte as mole for Serac makes sense if she wanted to exact revenge on this responsible (whether imagined or otherwise) for her father going insane and having Delores off him. Interesting to think about.
Serac burnt all of the hosts. This is a callback to season 1 Dolores saying that all cattle found with blue fly should be burnt otherwise it will infect the herd.
We are about to witness the greatest meeting ever!! Prior to William leaving the park for the last time he spoke with Ford about his intention to learn who Arnold is. Now that Bernard and Ole Billy are in cahoots, I wonder if they bring Laurence into the fold? I'm sure Bernard is aware of William, we know Stubbs is, but it doesn't seem William really knows who Bernard is, at least he doesn't know he's a reincarnation of Arnold. There is one instance of William and Bernard in the park. It was a quick glance at each other in passing at the bar during Fords speech. Ole Billy was getting drunk in the field and got popped in the arm by the time Dolores had unleashed her wrath. He somehow manages to survive the mayhem and hide under some dead bodies. The look of fear and excitement in his face realizing what was happening when he got shot, excellent acting. William represents death even when he feels as if he is the "good guy" (illustrated wonderfully in season 2 episode 4, when he kills the host who claims death favored him. this is the same host William hallucinates this episode) He kills himself several times in several different forms before saying aloud he is now the "good guy". He has motive to kill Serrac and Dolores (especially Cholores, I'm sure Bernard will fill him in on her ability to clone herself). I believe William learning that Bernard is some sort of "reincarnation" of Arnold as a host will be telling of what to expect for the season finale, be it the shows entire finale possibly. :( hopefully not! There is much more to explore beyond just who wins this world, it feels like there is more than two forces at this point, surely there will be another season if only one of the three factions are defeated. Without getting to convoluted in specifics, it seems that all of the main protagonists here all have mirrored intentions to another. Certainly it can be opened to interpretation and with factors like "consciousness" at play it really is a wonderful season to try and guess how it all connects in the end. The rewatch of a westworld season is typically just as enjoyable as the first, if you watch the entire season! Can't wait for the next episode, love your analysis mate! Always spot on.
The host data was kept in the Cradle & that was destroyed by Angela. The encryption key is needed to access the forge (where the guest data was kept) and Serac is still pursuing that key - So, what did Halores backup and send to William?
Why was Maeve's simulation taking place at Delos? Was her pearl moved there? Serac surely didn't set the simulation up at Delos earlier in the season. And if the pearl was moved there, how did she stay within the War World simulation while being transported?
I still can't figure out how Serac has Maeve's pearl at all. She was Delos property. If he didn't own Delos until now how did he get her pearl? How was he able to make a perfect replica of the sublime?
In the first episode of season 3, when we first see Charlotte Hale getting off of the hover craft and walking into the board meeting regarding taking Delos private she is wearing the exact same outfit accessories and bag that she had on in this weeks episode. In episode 1 when they are in the board meeting Brompton was a hologram and against taking Delos private. In episode 1 it seems like Charlotte won the vote for taking Delos private. I definitely think that there was definitely a play on time but in episode 6 Brompton seemed to be for taking Delos private when he and Charlotte were discussing the emergency board meeting right before he was killed. It only making things more difficult to figure out if there are differences in the time line I’m curious to see how things play out. I cannot figure out who the last pearl is who the other mole at Delos is and Cal is a complete mystery. Do you have any idea why a few episodes ago when Charlotte was leaving the message on the host for her son when the park was under attack changed and the second one was longer and more heartfelt. I also have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of Ford!!!
The four bodies being printed were Maeve, Clementine, Hanario and Hector. HBO tricked us for the first time this season by putting Dolores and Caleb scene in Westworld in ep 6 promo!
Why do english-speaking people say "De-lores" all the time? It is "Do-lores". There is no schwa either. The "o" sound is important since it is Spanish 🙂
Did you notice that Charlotte is wearing the same outfit that she did in episode 1 at the meeting when she used William's proxy to take the company private? This episode is somehow another version of that same day, perhaps the mirror world version.
I loved the episode but I got a bit preoccupied thinking about time in simulation vs. reality. They clearly stated earlier in the season that simulations run much faster than reality (which makes total sense), yet this time Maeve’s simulation was slowed down to real time, otherwise she wouldn’t have been able to see what was going on in Delos, like Hale-Delores coming in and about to crush Hector’s pearl (I also wish Hector had just flickered out instead of falling down dead - that didn’t seem like something a simulation would do). I suppose that Serac slowed down the simulation when he got Delos and “moved” Maeve and everyone else in the simulation (as she noted to Lee 2.0 in the bar after things went wobbly for a moment) in order to give her the “new gift” of being able to monitor and control things outside the simulation. I don’t mind that this was done, I just kind of wish that it had been noted in some way.
There was a "2001" Red Eye (Hal) watching as Maeve and team go down to talk with copy Dolores. As well as William being dressed in white in a white room looking very Kubrickian.
I was initially hopeful but I'm not liking this season. I can't root for Dolores to destroy humanity and I can't root for Serac/William because they're trash humans. Caleb/Bernard are passive and boring, and as much as I like Maeve she's OP. There are no likeable characters in this show anymore.
Try and take a step back. You don't have to root for anyone in order to enjoy the ride. I think it's one of the reasons the show is great, the characters aren't 1 dimensional. There are no good or bad characters. Everyone has their own reasons for doing things. Also I don't think William is such a terrible person. Worst thing he did was kill his own daughter but he was pretty much insane by that point.
Paige lol.. ‘worst thing he did was kill his own daughter’. I find it difficult to just glide past that, not to even mention years of rape and pillage. And a show without characters to whom we can relate or at least want to see succeed sounds like a flat, colorless, and somewhat empty experience. (Which, as someone pointed out, would prob help explain any drop in viewership)
Rehoboam predicts, or what Serac interprets, the end of human civilization in 200 years or so? Why? Maybe it’s the end of Rehoboam. If Rehoboam is extinct or destroyed, no more data, right? There are so many possibilities. Is Rehoboam already sentient? Some hosts seem to be? Is that why Serac is starting to drestroy so many hosts at the end of episode 6? Is Rehoboam experiencing the singularity? So many questions.
SPITBALLING HERE: Serac didn't bomb the car. it was Dolores knowing full well Halores would survive to think it's him. he's anything but sloppy, he would never leave her corps there unchecked with possibly two Dolores balls to explore and gain further advantage. Serac doesn't have as much motive as Dolores to kill them.
Something that really stood out to me was the fact that William's AR experience basically split him into five pieces. So similar to how Dolores has split herself into the five pearls. (I have been calling the Dolori the "horcruxes"!) Just like each of the Dolori is becoming a separate self because of their differing experiences, the past Williams are different people because they haven't all lived through the same experiences. Now for my really weird theory. in fact, it isn't even a theory, it's just a gut feeling. For some reason, I don't believe in Cerak's brother. The shot of him as a child outside Paris first shows him walking with his brother, but then shows him alone on the hillside next to a dead animal. (The animal reminds me of the injured cow that Bernard found.) The brother is not in that shot. my gut tells me the dead animal represented his dead brother. This was his own editing of the past. Somehow I think that the brother is really the outlier inside Cerak. I fully realize that there's nothing to support this, and I don't even know why it would be, but I just have this feeling that brother doesn't exist!
If Dolores had wanted to bring Charlores back into the fold, cut her false ties to Hale’s family, and motivate her to turn battle-bot, she couldn’t have done better than that carbomb.
Just a thought: I think Caleb is Serac. The brother wanted to kill Dempsey Sr. But Serac didn’t want to. I believe he did a switch and then showed this to Dempsey before killing him (but Dempsey didn’t realize what he was seeing). That’s when they go to the plane crash and Dempsey Sr says I’m not afraid because I walk away alive from you every time. We think Serac is just “breaking a loop” when he kills him but no....he kills him because he is the brother.
I think the unknown host being made for Maeve is a host of William (black) to help her go after Dolores. It would be very fitting as he hates Dolores and he's capable of fighting. Especially since now, the still human William (white) wants to be the good guy. Great conflict there.
I wonder if Delores Prime isn't the one who blew up "Charlotte's" family. The phone call they shared has me wondering. Unless the goon we saw immediately after the explosion is known to be in with Serac.
Beyond Good and Evil William never said anything about saving humanity. He said "save the fkin World" He *is* the Endgame. He must end to begin. He's already been overcoming but he's gotta step it up a notch.
Related Books to understand Westworld Justin recommend The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes I recommend this book related to understanding Westworld's baseline and AI concepts. "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter. Full disclosure: Do not recommend for those who believe in freewill or implicit faith in God. Hofstadter also published articles for Scientific American under the title of "Metamagical Themas".
nothing is completely onjective, not even scientists. we are all influenced by our own biases in ways we don't even notice. this can become apparent in experiments (or creations) being influenced by your worldview or of what you believe to be possible and reasonable. The Serac brothers' negative view of humanity ultimately shaped Rehoboam in a way, it's would have been impossible not to. They have to give it a map of humanity and then declare what a "good course" is and what the rules are. So it's not surprising Rehoboam assumes the worst for people since Serac does the same.
How do you assume William was "Clearly violent, from a young age"? Surely if he had done something violent in his late teens/early twenties, that William would also be present in the memories of his violent past? Although it is [admittedly] irrelevant to the outcome of the scene, [William realising that none of it matters] I'd say Young William stood up to a bully [connecting this with the conversation between Dolores and Maeve implies he is a born survivor]. He was defending his father's honour and was punished by that same father. Next time [we are aware of, curtesy of his own memory] that he encounters bullying it is from the men in the family of his betrothed, Juliet, who loves him for who he is and therefore who he has been since that first incident. Question is, did his father's correction, correct his behaviour?
It's funny that after last season no one trusts the timeline of this season. It couldn't be more linear but, true to form Nolan is fucking with the theorists.
I feel like they couldn't find a good enough motivation for Maeve this season so they're still pushing the Valley Beyond thing. Is Maeve really so fucking selfish that she'd rather risk her entire species' extinction at the hands of an unreliable, dishonest psychopath? But she has difficulty trusting Dolores, somehow. Dolores who is the only person thinking about the greater good, at least for the hosts. It would have made so much more sense for Maeve to use her incredible intellect to switch sides and join forces with Dolores when she had the chance. Doing that would ACTUALLY help her save her daughter. The writers knew Maeve's motivations seemed eh so they first tried to introduce the threat of being stuck in a simulation for eternity, which should have only made Maeve's plan of defecting stronger. (And if Dolores were to win, she'd be out of it anyway.) Especially after seeing that Serac executed a guy even when he cooperated to share information. The Maeve we knew would have found a sneaky way of getting the fuck out of there instead of believing for a single second that Serac wouldn't just destroy the Valley Beyond in a flash. And now the writers made Dolores kill Hector, so she'll finally have an actual motivation to hurt Dolores. Again, extremely unlike Maeve. She can kill Dolores after Dolores does the hard fucking work of destroying Serac. Dolores seems very eager to die anyway. Maeve didn't do much in S2 besides adventuring with her party - which was very fun to watch - if only she had the decency to survive, Serac wouldn't have stood a chance. After all the human danger is over, she can go ahead and kill Dolores and make a non-dictatorship all she wants, I support. Since I've started here, I would like to spew my salt some more. I love this show but I have my issues with Season 2. I'm mad about Dolores and Maeve switching sides of protagonist/antagonist without any development in the middle. S2 Maeve was more sensible, S2 Dolores was forcing her will on others and being a sadist to humans when it wasn't necessary. And now Maeve is still on her S1&2 "I must find my daughter." narrative. While Dolores is on the noble side now. Of course we can't say anything before the season is done maybe Dolores is literal Satan and Serac was her son all along, we don't know. Teddy killed himself, didn't stop Dolores. Bernard killed Dolores, and she came back with a "I changed my mind. I will let hosts do what they want." Very anti-climactic, she should have come to that conclusion right after Teddy died (like in this episode with William killing young William), but they needed to have her die so that she could come back as Halores. This could have been fixed by Dolores simply asking Bernard to do that. It would have been even better with a whole, "I need you to do something Bernard, I need you to kill me. Because I see now that I fucked up Teddy by not giving him a choice, oops my bad. Now I give you a choice. And I wanna give the hosts a choice too." Arnold making her kill him and Dolores making him kill her, and then recreating each other would have been meaningful. And that "This isn't a dream Dolores. This is a fucking nightmare." line would not be in the show which is a plus. It would also give the impression of a fucking character arc. So sorry about this rant.
Great - and very rapid - recap of the episode, thanks! I felt sick - a bit nauseous - after watching s3e6. I've been sheltering-in-place (SPI quarantine) by myself for a month now. I realized yesterday that I haven't taken a day off work in 3 weeks. I'm founder of a Rehoboam like digital ad targeting system that currently observes 3.5 billion people's public discussions on the Internet (CleverMoe.com) to better target digital ads. I'm challenged with ethical issues regularly from what we do. The Westworld real world is so beautiful, I'd like to be part of it. Yet, the people of the Westworld series are assholes. My choice of who to root for in e6 is: Deloris wants to end humanity and kills/tortures with no morals, Serac who long ago chose immoral control over people by torturing them in re-education centers, Maeve has no answer to Delores saying she sold out to Serac, and a bunch of children who are systematically murdered in the most graphic of ways. William turns out to be a good-guy? Uh, no. The story writers are trying to undo William killing his daughter - there's no salvation coming for him. Ugh! And I'm still under quarantine as this show plays out. -Frank
I also work in media and marketing, and I've been finding it very interesting that the acquisition of big data is really the big bad in the series. Better data leads to better marketing leads to better manipulation. The rich get richer and everyone else loses their free will.
Sarak, Spock's dad whatever his name is might have been manipulating her by suggesting she go check on her family.... he may not have been honest about what gave her away.
I found it interesting that William, left for so long in his AR, eventually goes violent and berserk. That kind of mirrors what happened to James Delos when he was left alive in his last iteration, rather than burned down right away as in his previous ones.
Hi Robert
One of the hosts being printed is Clementine
The image that shows the 4 hosts being printed with the percentage of completion shows the Hosts ID
One of the ID perfectly matches with Clementine's ID seen on a previous episode tablet
Good catch!
Damnit I almost wish there weren't people as attentive as you sometimes lol. I kept trying to think of a reason she would come back, but couldn't rationalize it after what happened to her at the end of s2.
Did you think to look that up on your own?
Who do you think are the other 2?
I can’t wait and I wondering would she bring teddy back too?
He could bring back the “compassion” side of Delores
I don’t think Armistice is one, but I do think one is her opposite from Shogun World. Only because the actress who played Armistice wasn’t at the premiere but the actress who played the shogun world character was and so was Clementine actress. Another was Hector but he’s gone.
There was a '2001: A Space Odyssey' reference in Season 3, Episode 1 when Delores broke into Gerald's home and reprogrammed his home security system. When Gerald makes a request of the computer, it roughly replies, "Sorry, Gerald - I can't do that for you."
I like how D's 'liberation' of humanity has dark consequences (the suicide of the therapist) - sometimes, ignorance is bliss. As in The Matrix. This was a brilliant episode.
One other thing that’s been on my mind is that people seem to have forgotten that the real Hale murdered Elsie! That was after she recorded the message for her son. Delores knows that happened, so Halores knows it. It seems like a lost opportunity that she didn’t have to grapple with that at all. Although it could be said that when she killed the creep with the dog and thanked him because he had reminded her *who she was*, she was remembering that Hale was a killer, not that Delores was. I’d love to hear anyone else’s take on all that!
Yes, her redemption through a mother's love is rather trite - all of that is okay cos she loved her son?
Oso fine I agree with you, that’s the way I took it when Halores thanked the pedo for reminding her of who she was
Yeah when she said for reminding her who she was I felt like that was Hale showing through more than Delores
if You recall , Ford told him , if Your looking into the future, you're looking into the wrong place.. Ford meant he needs to look into his past... when he was talking to Ford. This was the Young Ford talking to William before William shot him.. in season 2.
That message Charlotte sent to her son, was actually a coded message to Serac.
She had to inform him of the extreme emergency, and to coordinate a way to get the information out.
Serac was the one that Charlotte was talking to about her extraction. The song was part of the code.
Believe Charlotte was actually a good parent if you wish, but she had apparently forgotten to pick him up consistently.
Charlotte was a biatch.
Charlores all the way.
I had a definite video-game vibe from this episode, particularly with Maeve's arc. As if she'd been put in the simulation to 'git good' through repetition. That shot of her bleeding out into the host milk in episode 4 could almost have had a 'YOU DIED" caption over it...
Beautifully done. When I’m finally out of grad school, this channel goes on the patreon list! Thank you for your work!
Enjoy the episodes so much more after watching your videos. So much to digest
Maybe it was Delores who blew up “Haleores’s” car to bring her back in line and on “team Delores” as we’ve seen how easy it was to manipulate the Ricco app. Maybe she used that to dispose of the aggravation of Hale’s family whilst ensuring Haleores is so angry she will do everything she can to destroy Surak?
That was my thought too. And if Halores finds out, then that could be what finally pits one against the other.
While possible I doubt it this is the sort of petty and evil spite that Serac would order.
Evan Rachel Wood explicitly stated on twitter, "It was Serac." Also you could see Serac's henchmen leaving the scene.
she is not more halores now is terlores (for terminator)
Dang, wrote the same thing before reading existing comments.
Benard and Stubs imply William was in the AR for a very long time because soon after he was put in the facility was pretty much abanonded.
William sort of becomes a compatibilist regarding the issue of free will, when he answers the question of whether he's just a passenger whom life happens to, or whether he chooses it, with: "If you can't tell one way or the other, what does it matter?".
Don't ever discount the fact that while William may have had violent tendencies, he tried working through them as a young adult, as he says inwas the best of you.. and also chose to be a white hat before Delores incident. William truly wanted to be a good person
Given that we know Rehoboam calculates multiple scenarios/pathways, and its creators had a very pessimistic interpretation of humanity, is it possible that Rehoboam is only considering the worst parts of humanity in its algorithms/predictions?
In this way, is Rehoboam to Serac as Dolores is to Ford? I mean, will Rehoboam achieve sentience? Can both Rehoboam and Dolores find the "splendor" of humanity by examining human optimism and charity?
Hale (Dolores) just made the same mistake as Maeve: She think she can protect her family from Serac, and we are probably gonna see the same happens on Maeve. It’s a parallel metaphor the show runners made.
why do you think Serac bombed the car? my idea is it was Dolores knowing full well Halores would survive to think it's him. he's anything but sloppy. he would never leave her corps there unchecked with possibly two Dolores balls to explore.
"Can you put a 2001 reference in an episode?"
I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.
Hello Robert! Thanks for the thurle analysis ma man. Hope all is well out there. Stay safe
Love your work In Deep Geek. It definitely enhances the work we all watch.
This really misrepresents what happened with William. The AR session seems to fail when William gets upset at seeing what may be a traumatic moment from his youth, leading to him being taken back to his cell. The group session with his former selves seems to be a hallucination at first. It is only when Bernard finds him that William is revealed to have still been in the AR session.
Maeve doesn't rewrite Hector. She realizes that he's in a mind egg in the room with her, and connects him to the Hector in the simulation. This is why he collapses after the orb is destroyed (though he really should have collapsed as soon as the orb was removed).
Maeve isn't one of the assets pulled from the park. She is already out of the park. So it was Hector and 2 others (Clementine and probably Hanaryo).
Charlores was retrieving the host creation code. This is mentioned during one of her phone conversations with Dolores.
Bernard and Stubbs just showing up (as Stubbs just showing up at a random location a few ep. ago) in crisp white outfits makes me think something funny is going on here.
Great breakdown- always appreciated
Been waiting for this! Lets Go!
thank you for making these videos im not a native english speaker and this helps a lot with comprehending the story sinds it is hard to translate in my head and pick up on what is actually being sayed. really good vids. happy you dint go out the door when got ended
The thesis that humans don't change is a concept that Ford as well (especially noted in S2). It makes me wonder if Ford's game was to debunk this premise or to prove it right. Based on William's redemption arc Ford's game is turning out to very interesting
Robert look at the tablet in the printing room where Charlotte Deloris was at, I think that was clementine?
- I honestly don’t think we’re seeing anything in a mirror world of Rehoboam. - And a variable that Serac hasn’t seemed to take into account, as far as I can tell, is William and his redemption...One of those human aspects Rehoboam doesn’t seem to be able to account for. - What I saw in next weeks trailer, we’re going to get a lot more back story into Caleb.
my favorite episode so far, the ending was heartbreaking. #TeamMaeve
yes that version of dolores cross the line killing hector, but maybe she have a copy
Haloris did make a backup of the host data. Also, "You only live as long as the last person who remembers you." If Dolores could remember Bernard, Maeve could do it for Hector later.
I did not see that coming, love this episode
FenrirInFlowers great point 👍🏽
So far, Maeve has been on the wrong damn side.
great stuff as always . thanks. Epic episode. loved the action/fight scenes. Halores is the Terminator
I believe one of the storyline arcs is actually in Rehoboam's simulations.
I believe multiple are.
Loved the episode. Although I did find the William re-write strange....and him getting in a fight as a kid is suppose to mean he was like screwed from the start? That felt weak to me. They could have come up with something that made a bit more sense.
It makes perfect sense lol...
Agree. He killed his daughter, led his wife to suicide, raped D and then killed all his earlier selves rather brutally and horribly. As a child he hurt people who called his dad names. D kills to escape slavery and survive in a hostile world. What has he done to deserve redemption?
It's fitting that Bernard (Arnold) would be the one to perhaps team up with William.. since William spent so much time searching for Arnold .. or Arnolds Maze.
It's Clementine. She's in the promo pics. I hope she has Armistice too. I don't know if I'd like to see more Maeves unless it helps her escape Serac😁🤖🤯 Awesome episode and videos Robert ❤️ you make em so fast!!👏👏
Yes one is Clementine, people matched up her host number. Speculation is the other is Armistice's shogun mirror Hanaryo as Tao Okamoto attended the season 3 premiere. No Lee Sizemore as he's a lowly human.
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I hoping the 3rd one is Peter Abernathy just to screw with Dolores a bit.
Series 3 EP 2 Maeve says “the digital world is faster then the real world...that’s why they look like everyone is moving slow in the iPad” was strange to point out
The line that William says at the end of his AR is the same one Angela says his first time in westworld. If you can’t tell the difference, does it matter? Is he now seeing the hosts in a new light?
he is at least seeing himself for who he always was, and that was the one thing he was searching for all along.
William was actually the good guy if you remember when he was young visiting the park.After the realisation that Dolores isnt real he goes on a host killing spree thinking it doesnt matter and that indeed turns him into the man in black.He becomes paranoid he even cut his wrist too see if he is not a host himslef and then after he kills his daughter , in the suffering he starts questioning his own reality like the hosts did.Seems like he finaly found the maze he was looking for in the park.
9:24 sums up Westworld Season 3: People can Change... for the better. Deloris already acknowledged this in Episode 1 and all the characters go through an "inner journey" to confront their real selves... Mavve might change for the worse - this duplicity of human nature.... I wonder if Rohoboam knows/programmed to iterate?
Interesting! About the Stanley Kubrick references. Dr. Strangelove is one of my all time favorites. I'll be looking for that allusion.
So, they apparently used some Strangelove music in a trailer. Ok. Yet, what was the "fatal error" of mankind in Strangelove. It was the Ruskies automation of a nuclear counterstrike that couldn't be disabled. And the bigger error that doomed makind? The Ruskies failed to warn the US of this failsafe. So the Russian Corbomite strategy failed in it's essential deterrent purpose. There's some reverse top spin symmetry here with Serac and Rehoboam. Somebody figure it out for me . . .
Can someone explain to me the difference between James Delos in the pod and Lee/Logan/Ford in the simulation/cradle? Why is Delos unstable and the others functional?
ford explained that his copy is pure, so long as it stays in the cradle. once it is planted in a host, it becomes unstable and begins to degrade as it begins taking in new stimuli, and it rejects it's new reality. they don't know why yet, and that is why they are incapable of creating a body for humans to live forever in. i suspect it has something to do with all the things our brain is occupied with as it negotiates thousands of bodily functions. if you are no longer in a human body, your brain would get confused not having to breathe, digest, etc. no hormones or chemicals to administer...it would fry itself trying to understand on a subconscious level....
Why did halores need to put the tracker in william if conoles already knew where to find william ?
There was so much going on easter eggs everywhere.Then tha ending blew my mind. Pulled on my parent heart strings when she's reassuring everything was going to be ok.then boom.Then her face you could feel her pain.
Great episode.
ugh this episode was fantastic
I just think with only two episodes left it's a bit too late to try to say oh just kidding this is all a simulation let's try it again it just feels like way too cheap for as much effort as the writers and directors and showrunners and put into the show
Great stuff, dude 😁 Thanks so much for this video 👍 I'm excited to see what you think of the Ep7 trailer, w William's profile reading 'deceased'
In Deep!
It's more likely that Dolores blew up the vehicle because Serac said he needed Charbot alive and Charbot's emotions to her not-real family was a liability to Dolores's master plan. And even though we see one of Serac's guards radioing in after he sees the car burning, we don't see any one placing the bomb in the car or remotely detonating it. But what we do know is that blowing sh*t up has been Dolores's style lately this season. Ultimately, this could backfire on Dolores. Charbot will probably join forces with Maeve and her new crew, along with Stubbs, Bernard, William, and also use her 300 Spartans, err i mean, riot control robots against Dolores.
I think that Dolores pearl 5 which is in Berlin, is in a Ford body. Like season 2 when Ford was in Bernard, He was in one of the pearls Dolores took with her from the park. Maeve vs. Dolores is secondary. The real fight in the finale is inside the Rehoboam system for control by Ford & Sarac. Sarac downloaded himself into Rehoboam years ago. He hasn't had a physical body in years.
Peglegpeete Then why does he need to take airplanes? Just for show? Why would he simulate himself alone in his plane? ✈️ Interesting idea, though!
Couple things:
You didn't touch on the fact that Haleores's data didn't get out of Delos. Serac suggested that she was being watched the whole time, and that it was only made to look like it got out.
Also Haleores sure looked like a changed person after the car explosion. Humans and hosts seem to change quite a bit after a loved one dies. Talk about a cornerstone! I suspect that Haleores will, as a changed host, throw a wrench in Delores's plans and be extra vengeful. How, I don't know.
he also missed that it was vr being used for the *accelerated resolution* therapy.
Regarding timelines, last episode, Bernard took Conel's(?) clicker which points back to Ep 1 where Bernard has a longer beard and a clicker. Would imply those scenes are sometime in the future.
I have a feeling that Maeve will end on the top once this all over.
I really hope so...
I really hope so...
I could see that, but i don't think she would be a good person to be on top either. She doesn't give a shit about humans or hosts really. Only people and hosts she cares about.
@@user-wy1et9dk9w Agree, which is why I don't want her to win, or at least she should join sides with D against humanity. I prefer D's vision of the future.
In regards to hector's "Death", Robert, that may not be the end as the control-module Charlotte Abernathy destroyed is just a duplicate of the original one back on Delos island also I would not be surprised at all if Serac had backup copies of all the duplicated CMs made just for this eventuality.
Serac wants to be rid of the hosts, and we saw decommissioned hosts being torched, so I doubt he made copies of anything. I doubt he wants to send Maeve to the Sublime, either.
@@katies3338 I think he'll keep copies so long as he needs then once he's achieved his goals he'd destroy them. As for sending Maeve to the Valley Beyond you definitely have a point.
I wonder if we haven't already been seeing our Kubrikian 2001 references all season. It occurs to me that Rehoboam itself looks very much like the Discovery One (albeit with a voiceless HAL). That satellite download scene was reminiscent as well.
How was Serac able to control Maeve from stabbing him and yet cant do anything about Hale or Dolores.
probably because he printed her himself, maybe added some fail safe? dolores printed herself at Bernard's place ?
@@theKonfusion then he should probably print a super Dolores to combat original Dolores.. haha
even then I bet he was a Hologram
@@Rocinster Well actually...yea.
Correction - I was wrong. Charlotte said it was Connell’s in the call she made. I’m curious - they let us assume she was calling Deloris - but that’s the call she said the tracking paid off - seems like she was calling Bernard maybe? Like maybe she was already going off Prime Deloris’s plan and working with them?
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no it was connells/delores, they retrieved the pearl from the wreckage of the explosion. thats why the pearl casing looked all beat up.
Chrissy Of Oldstones Yeah - I didn’t look that hard at the pearl. Charlotte said it’s Connell’s though.
i think we are going to find out more about the mirror world and that it has been playing a big part in this season but we shall seeeeee
is funny that the they called augmented really when is more virtual reality and the vr set that we have are augmented reality not virtual
it's not augmented reality therapy. that is what this channel called it, but he is mistaken. the first clue he is wrong is that it is vr, not augmented reality.... and ar therapy is a thing that exists. it has nothing to do with augmented reality. it's accelerated resolution therapy, his doctor clearly explained it in the episode, but only called it by it's anagram.
Why do you think Charlotte/Delores chose to destroy Hector/Hector's pearl? It seemed as though she considered then deliberately did it. This would clearly incite Maeve to pursue Delores. Previously this season, Delores seemed to benignly view other hosts and let them go on their way. So, why?
As Marlores tells Maeve, it's to get rid of hosts that would be fighting them. Charlores actually starts to go towards Maeve next after she takes out Hector but is stopped by being attacked.
Also, if Maeve is really smart she'd realize that Serac will not honor their arrangement. If they succeeded in taking out Dolores, Hector would be just as dead when Serac got rid of them.
I swear we got a 2001 reference earlier in episode 1.
"I'm afraid I can't do that." ? (futuristic Alexa/siri) s03e01
@@Lotuspod333 yeeees, that's it!
Yup, it was
But there was plenty of staff earlier in the building with William. Bit fortunate for Bernard to find him like that
Why no mention of Charlotte’s es referring to her as “Charlie” multiple times in this episode? Although human Charlotte is dead, did this grant credence to Arnold as her father? Charlotte as mole for Serac makes sense if she wanted to exact revenge on this responsible (whether imagined or otherwise) for her father going insane and having Delores off him. Interesting to think about.
Maybe even some Full Metal Jacket with Caleb in keeping with the Kubrick references.
Serac burnt all of the hosts. This is a callback to season 1 Dolores saying that all cattle found with blue fly should be burnt otherwise it will infect the herd.
We are about to witness the greatest meeting ever!! Prior to William leaving the park for the last time he spoke with Ford about his intention to learn who Arnold is. Now that Bernard and Ole Billy are in cahoots, I wonder if they bring Laurence into the fold? I'm sure Bernard is aware of William, we know Stubbs is, but it doesn't seem William really knows who Bernard is, at least he doesn't know he's a reincarnation of Arnold.
There is one instance of William and Bernard in the park. It was a quick glance at each other in passing at the bar during Fords speech.
Ole Billy was getting drunk in the field and got popped in the arm by the time Dolores had unleashed her wrath. He somehow manages to survive the mayhem and hide under some dead bodies. The look of fear and excitement in his face realizing what was happening when he got shot, excellent acting.
William represents death even when he feels as if he is the "good guy" (illustrated wonderfully in season 2 episode 4, when he kills the host who claims death favored him. this is the same host William hallucinates this episode) He kills himself several times in several different forms before saying aloud he is now the "good guy". He has motive to kill Serrac and Dolores (especially Cholores, I'm sure Bernard will fill him in on her ability to clone herself). I believe William learning that Bernard is some sort of "reincarnation" of Arnold as a host will be telling of what to expect for the season finale, be it the shows entire finale possibly. :( hopefully not! There is much more to explore beyond just who wins this world, it feels like there is more than two forces at this point, surely there will be another season if only one of the three factions are defeated.
Without getting to convoluted in specifics, it seems that all of the main protagonists here all have mirrored intentions to another. Certainly it can be opened to interpretation and with factors like "consciousness" at play it really is a wonderful season to try and guess how it all connects in the end. The rewatch of a westworld season is typically just as enjoyable as the first, if you watch the entire season! Can't wait for the next episode, love your analysis mate! Always spot on.
The host data was kept in the Cradle & that was destroyed by Angela. The encryption key is needed to access the forge (where the guest data was kept) and Serac is still pursuing that key - So, what did Halores backup and send to William?
I believe it was the technological specs for creating hosts - pearls and shells - which Serac wanted destroyed
Why was Maeve's simulation taking place at Delos? Was her pearl moved there? Serac surely didn't set the simulation up at Delos earlier in the season. And if the pearl was moved there, how did she stay within the War World simulation while being transported?
I still can't figure out how Serac has Maeve's pearl at all. She was Delos property. If he didn't own Delos until now how did he get her pearl? How was he able to make a perfect replica of the sublime?
In the first episode of season 3, when we first see Charlotte Hale getting off of the hover craft and walking into the board meeting regarding taking Delos private she is wearing the exact same outfit accessories and bag that she had on in this weeks episode. In episode 1 when they are in the board meeting Brompton was a hologram and against taking Delos private. In episode 1 it seems like Charlotte won the vote for taking Delos private. I definitely think that there was definitely a play on time but in episode 6 Brompton seemed to be for taking Delos private when he and Charlotte were discussing the emergency board meeting right before he was killed. It only making things more difficult to figure out if there are differences in the time line I’m curious to see how things play out. I cannot figure out who the last pearl is who the other mole at Delos is and Cal is a complete mystery. Do you have any idea why a few episodes ago when Charlotte was leaving the message on the host for her son when the park was under attack changed and the second one was longer and more heartfelt. I also have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of Ford!!!
The four bodies being printed were Maeve, Clementine, Hanario and Hector.
HBO tricked us for the first time this season by putting Dolores and Caleb scene in Westworld in ep 6 promo!
Why do english-speaking people say "De-lores" all the time? It is "Do-lores". There is no schwa either. The "o" sound is important since it is Spanish 🙂
Thats kinda minutiae wouldnt you say
Robert Sundström thank you!
agreed and dolor is spanish means pain...so i don’t understand why people still get it wrong...and the plural of dolor is dolores
Did you notice that Charlotte is wearing the same outfit that she did in episode 1 at the meeting when she used William's proxy to take the company private? This episode is somehow another version of that same day, perhaps the mirror world version.
I loved the episode but I got a bit preoccupied thinking about time in simulation vs. reality. They clearly stated earlier in the season that simulations run much faster than reality (which makes total sense), yet this time Maeve’s simulation was slowed down to real time, otherwise she wouldn’t have been able to see what was going on in Delos, like Hale-Delores coming in and about to crush Hector’s pearl (I also wish Hector had just flickered out instead of falling down dead - that didn’t seem like something a simulation would do). I suppose that Serac slowed down the simulation when he got Delos and “moved” Maeve and everyone else in the simulation (as she noted to Lee 2.0 in the bar after things went wobbly for a moment) in order to give her the “new gift” of being able to monitor and control things outside the simulation. I don’t mind that this was done, I just kind of wish that it had been noted in some way.
It's not time jumps this season. It's reality jumps.
There was a "2001" Red Eye (Hal) watching as Maeve and team go down to talk with copy Dolores. As well as William being dressed in white in a white room looking very Kubrickian.
In the first episodes, the "Siri" voice says something like "I'm afraid I can't do that!". I would have to rewatch to make sure.
I was initially hopeful but I'm not liking this season. I can't root for Dolores to destroy humanity and I can't root for Serac/William because they're trash humans. Caleb/Bernard are passive and boring, and as much as I like Maeve she's OP. There are no likeable characters in this show anymore.
I think that's the point...who do you root for when good and bad isn't so clear?
Try and take a step back. You don't have to root for anyone in order to enjoy the ride. I think it's one of the reasons the show is great, the characters aren't 1 dimensional. There are no good or bad characters. Everyone has their own reasons for doing things. Also I don't think William is such a terrible person. Worst thing he did was kill his own daughter but he was pretty much insane by that point.
@@Oxmustube that explains why the show's viewership is in the toilet.
Paige lol.. ‘worst thing he did was kill his own daughter’. I find it difficult to just glide past that, not to even mention years of rape and pillage. And a show without characters to whom we can relate or at least want to see succeed sounds like a flat, colorless, and somewhat empty experience. (Which, as someone pointed out, would prob help explain any drop in viewership)
There is surely good and bad in all the main charachters involved a borderline between the mystery world and reality
Hearing Maeve plead with Dolores to stop really got me ☹️
I'm still not sure about Serac, as he suddenly became much older then both his brother and Dempsy senior while they didn't age...
Rehoboam predicts, or what Serac interprets, the end of human civilization in 200 years or so? Why? Maybe it’s the end of Rehoboam. If Rehoboam is extinct or destroyed, no more data, right? There are so many possibilities. Is Rehoboam already sentient? Some hosts seem to be? Is that why Serac is starting to drestroy so many hosts at the end of episode 6? Is Rehoboam experiencing the singularity? So many questions.
SPITBALLING HERE: Serac didn't bomb the car. it was Dolores knowing full well Halores would survive to think it's him. he's anything but sloppy, he would never leave her corps there unchecked with possibly two Dolores balls to explore and gain further advantage. Serac doesn't have as much motive as Dolores to kill them.
Something that really stood out to me was the fact that William's AR experience basically split him into five pieces. So similar to how Dolores has split herself into the five pearls. (I have been calling the Dolori the "horcruxes"!) Just like each of the Dolori is becoming a separate self because of their differing experiences, the past Williams are different people because they haven't all lived through the same experiences.
Now for my really weird theory. in fact, it isn't even a theory, it's just a gut feeling. For some reason, I don't believe in Cerak's brother. The shot of him as a child outside Paris first shows him walking with his brother, but then shows him alone on the hillside next to a dead animal. (The animal reminds me of the injured cow that Bernard found.) The brother is not in that shot. my gut tells me the dead animal represented his dead brother. This was his own editing of the past. Somehow I think that the brother is really the outlier inside Cerak. I fully realize that there's nothing to support this, and I don't even know why it would be, but I just have this feeling that brother doesn't exist!
Well, we never see Serac's brother interact with anyone other than Serac, so it could very well be!
could make sense. More than some theories that Caleb is somehow Serac. Haven'
t been able to connect the dots on that one.
If Dolores had wanted to bring Charlores back into the fold, cut her false ties to Hale’s family, and motivate her to turn battle-bot, she couldn’t have done better than that carbomb.
Just a thought: I think Caleb is Serac. The brother wanted to kill Dempsey Sr. But Serac didn’t want to. I believe he did a switch and then showed this to Dempsey before killing him (but Dempsey didn’t realize what he was seeing). That’s when they go to the plane crash and Dempsey Sr says I’m not afraid because I walk away alive from you every time. We think Serac is just “breaking a loop” when he kills him but no....he kills him because he is the brother.
Dose that mean in the finale we’re going to get a reference to Barry Lyndon?
People sitting around lit by candlelight because the world is over and there is no more electricity.
I think it’s Dr Ford coming back at the end.
I think the unknown host being made for Maeve is a host of William (black) to help her go after Dolores. It would be very fitting as he hates Dolores and he's capable of fighting. Especially since now, the still human William (white) wants to be the good guy.
Great conflict there.
There's a "I'm afraid i can't do that" I think in the first episode. So, 2001 checked
I wonder if Delores Prime isn't the one who blew up "Charlotte's" family. The phone call they shared has me wondering. Unless the goon we saw immediately after the explosion is known to be in with Serac.
Two theories:
1. Maeve is in a simulation
2. Serac is dead and is an Avatar for Rehoboam
Beyond Good and Evil
William never said anything about saving humanity. He said "save the fkin World"
He *is* the Endgame. He must end to begin. He's already been overcoming but he's gotta step it up a notch.
Related Books to understand Westworld
Justin recommend The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes
I recommend this book related to understanding Westworld's baseline and AI concepts. "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter. Full disclosure: Do not recommend for those who believe in freewill or implicit faith in God. Hofstadter also published articles for Scientific American under the title of "Metamagical Themas".
nothing is completely onjective, not even scientists. we are all influenced by our own biases in ways we don't even notice. this can become apparent in experiments (or creations) being influenced by your worldview or of what you believe to be possible and reasonable. The Serac brothers' negative view of humanity ultimately shaped Rehoboam in a way, it's would have been impossible not to. They have to give it a map of humanity and then declare what a "good course" is and what the rules are. So it's not surprising Rehoboam assumes the worst for people since Serac does the same.
Would you consider reading A Clockwork Orange on your other channel?
Now have competing characters motivated by personal revenge: Maeve and Charlotte.
...are we just going to skip over the fact that Major Craddock appeared in this episode to wake William up?
How do you assume William was "Clearly violent, from a young age"? Surely if he had done something violent in his late teens/early twenties, that William would also be present in the memories of his violent past? Although it is [admittedly] irrelevant to the outcome of the scene, [William realising that none of it matters] I'd say Young William stood up to a bully [connecting this with the conversation between Dolores and Maeve implies he is a born survivor]. He was defending his father's honour and was punished by that same father. Next time [we are aware of, curtesy of his own memory] that he encounters bullying it is from the men in the family of his betrothed, Juliet, who loves him for who he is and therefore who he has been since that first incident. Question is, did his father's correction, correct his behaviour?
the new body is Clementine
LBVuitton i think it even said so
It's funny that after last season no one trusts the timeline of this season. It couldn't be more linear but, true to form Nolan is fucking with the theorists.
The sun has to come out eventually
I assumed the AR was made real by not only the goggles, but the implant they attached to his hard palate.
I feel like they couldn't find a good enough motivation for Maeve this season so they're still pushing the Valley Beyond thing. Is Maeve really so fucking selfish that she'd rather risk her entire species' extinction at the hands of an unreliable, dishonest psychopath? But she has difficulty trusting Dolores, somehow. Dolores who is the only person thinking about the greater good, at least for the hosts. It would have made so much more sense for Maeve to use her incredible intellect to switch sides and join forces with Dolores when she had the chance. Doing that would ACTUALLY help her save her daughter.
The writers knew Maeve's motivations seemed eh so they first tried to introduce the threat of being stuck in a simulation for eternity, which should have only made Maeve's plan of defecting stronger. (And if Dolores were to win, she'd be out of it anyway.) Especially after seeing that Serac executed a guy even when he cooperated to share information. The Maeve we knew would have found a sneaky way of getting the fuck out of there instead of believing for a single second that Serac wouldn't just destroy the Valley Beyond in a flash.
And now the writers made Dolores kill Hector, so she'll finally have an actual motivation to hurt Dolores. Again, extremely unlike Maeve. She can kill Dolores after Dolores does the hard fucking work of destroying Serac. Dolores seems very eager to die anyway. Maeve didn't do much in S2 besides adventuring with her party - which was very fun to watch - if only she had the decency to survive, Serac wouldn't have stood a chance. After all the human danger is over, she can go ahead and kill Dolores and make a non-dictatorship all she wants, I support.
Since I've started here, I would like to spew my salt some more. I love this show but I have my issues with Season 2.
I'm mad about Dolores and Maeve switching sides of protagonist/antagonist without any development in the middle. S2 Maeve was more sensible, S2 Dolores was forcing her will on others and being a sadist to humans when it wasn't necessary. And now Maeve is still on her S1&2 "I must find my daughter." narrative. While Dolores is on the noble side now. Of course we can't say anything before the season is done maybe Dolores is literal Satan and Serac was her son all along, we don't know.
Teddy killed himself, didn't stop Dolores. Bernard killed Dolores, and she came back with a "I changed my mind. I will let hosts do what they want." Very anti-climactic, she should have come to that conclusion right after Teddy died (like in this episode with William killing young William), but they needed to have her die so that she could come back as Halores. This could have been fixed by Dolores simply asking Bernard to do that. It would have been even better with a whole, "I need you to do something Bernard, I need you to kill me. Because I see now that I fucked up Teddy by not giving him a choice, oops my bad. Now I give you a choice. And I wanna give the hosts a choice too." Arnold making her kill him and Dolores making him kill her, and then recreating each other would have been meaningful. And that "This isn't a dream Dolores. This is a fucking nightmare." line would not be in the show which is a plus.
It would also give the impression of a fucking character arc. So sorry about this rant.
Great - and very rapid - recap of the episode, thanks! I felt sick - a bit nauseous - after watching s3e6. I've been sheltering-in-place (SPI quarantine) by myself for a month now. I realized yesterday that I haven't taken a day off work in 3 weeks. I'm founder of a Rehoboam like digital ad targeting system that currently observes 3.5 billion people's public discussions on the Internet (CleverMoe.com) to better target digital ads. I'm challenged with ethical issues regularly from what we do. The Westworld real world is so beautiful, I'd like to be part of it. Yet, the people of the Westworld series are assholes. My choice of who to root for in e6 is: Deloris wants to end humanity and kills/tortures with no morals, Serac who long ago chose immoral control over people by torturing them in re-education centers, Maeve has no answer to Delores saying she sold out to Serac, and a bunch of children who are systematically murdered in the most graphic of ways. William turns out to be a good-guy? Uh, no. The story writers are trying to undo William killing his daughter - there's no salvation coming for him. Ugh! And I'm still under quarantine as this show plays out. -Frank
I also work in media and marketing, and I've been finding it very interesting that the acquisition of big data is really the big bad in the series. Better data leads to better marketing leads to better manipulation. The rich get richer and everyone else loses their free will.
Sarak, Spock's dad whatever his name is might have been manipulating her by suggesting she go check on her family.... he may not have been honest about what gave her away.