The asthma segment in this video is incorrect. You do not need a TUE for inhaled salbutamol (albuterol), salmeterol or formoterol when used in permitted doses. The current prohibited list states that athletes are permitted to administer inhaled salbutamol (in divided doses not exceeding 1600 µg in 24 h and 800 µg in 12 h), formoterol (≤ 54 µg in 24 h) and salmeterol (≤ 200 µg in 24 h) [12] without a TUE. Inhaled corticosteroids do also not require a TUE.
Hate to say it, but rightfully so he shouldn’t have raced because the paperwork hadn’t gone through yet. Also, if there was an alternative that was just as effective he should’ve taken it so that he wouldn’t have to send in a TUE (I think that’s what it’s called)
Your point about TUE is wrong! Amateur athletes do not require a TUE before competing, as there is no way the system could cope with all those applications. If you are an amateur athlete and you are tested, you must apply for a TUE in retrospect (where necessary). There is however a time limit to apply for a TUE in retrospect (i think it is 2 weeks??), so amateur athletes are advised to be prepared by having supporting documents ready in advance. It is a common misunderstanding, partly due to misinformation like this!. When in doubt, do your homework and read the rule book. Unf. this video contributes to the misinformation, so I suggest taking it down or correct it!
Do you care to share the source of your information? After reading your post I read and re-read the USADA TUE Policy and there's nothing in there that suggests that a RCTUE (for recreational competitor, i.e. "Amateur") can be applied retroactively (5.d). In fact, it's pretty clear (in 5.d.2) that it's expected that the RC "has submitted a completed TUE". The Policy goes as far to say that a RCTUE "may not be accepted in an International Event or National Championships". I believe the requirements to get an RCTUE may be a little less stringent than other non-RC athletes (as in 5.d.3-4) but there's nothing in the policy stating that RC can submit retroactively. www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/tue-policy-1.pdf
Also on the FAQ page (see: "I'm a recreational or Masters level athlete, but I like to compete in events and races. Do I need a TUE?"). www.usada.org/athletes/testing/tue/tue-faqs/
@@clebertduarte www.britishtriathlon.org/gb-teams/clean-sport/tue. Also, pls refer to the ITU Anti Doping Rules 4.4.4.3: “If ITU chooses to test an athlete who is neither an International-Level nor National-Level Athlete ITU shall permit that athlete to apply to his or her National Anti-Doping Organization for a retroactive TUE” (For the meaning, of ‘International-Level Athlete’ and ‘National Level Athlete’, you’ll need to read the document).I recall that my governing body advised Age Group Athletes >do not< require a TUE in advance of competing at the ITU Age Groups. When in doubt, your National Governing body, should be able to answer any questions you might have.
@@clebertduarte after a bit more reading, it appears USADA’s requirements (for amateur/recreational athletes) are different to ITU requirements. In particular, USADA has an RCTUE system and a TUE pre-check form. UKAD do not have RCTUE’s or a TUE pre-check form. British Triathlon follow ITU rules regarding TUE’s in retrospect. (The time limit to apply for a TUE in retrospect is 5 days after receiving notice of substance abnormality in a test result). I think this explains the difference; and also it explains why some British Athletes incorrectly think they need to apply for a TUE in advance, when they do not.
Inhaled salbutamol (most common puffer) is permitted up to a maximum threshold of 1600 micrograms over 24 hours not exceeding 800 micrograms every 12 hours. The only time you need a TUE for it is if you’re taking any sort of masking agent or diuretic!
Both WADA and USADA have documents, that list which drugs are banned in separate categories: (1) in competition and (2) outside of competition. It is not difficult!
Even though caffeine is on WADAs “watch list” it may be important to know that caffeine is a banned substance in NCAA competition. The concentration of caffeine in a tested sample cannot exceed 15 micrograms. This means that the athlete would have to drink about 6 cups of coffee shortly before testing.
That's pretty wild in regards to the apheresis (plasma donation). Clinical lab medicine is my field when not doing tri training and transfusion medicine falls under our area of expertise. I supposed they banned it because there are anticoagulants in use when the blood is put back into the body (obviously to keep blood from clotting). I can imagine that it would be easy enough to slip in some other drugs during the veinous return portion of the donation. Platelets and red blood cells can also be donated on an apheresis machine.
So if I have Asthma and use a prescribed inhalor and race an Ironman or ITU race, for example - I'm competing against the rules unless I have a TUE?...
Taren, in relation to caffeine look up Alex Watson. He was an Australian pentathlete who was sent home from the 1988 Olympic Games for excessive caffeine levels.
I think the big one is cold medicine for pro athletes. I think that's the one that could be an easy slip up if the pro athlete isn't well educated on what they are allowed to use. And t the key is the expectation that these "pro triathletes are well educated on the subject mater" and Starky was perfectly well educated and aware of the rules. So thank you Taren for helping educating all of us on these issues. The more that people know about this stuff the less accidental mistakes we'll have in our sport.
Wish TT had mentioned the importance of looking closely at labels and buying products that have 3rd party testing. It’s not a fail proof way to make sure there isn’t anything contaminated but it’s a good step
Behind every excuse is a cheat. It's been shown so many times; shady behaviour, difficult to prove, missed tests, dubious shouts of innocence; be clean, follow the rules.
In Germany, the national anti-doping agency has published an app that can help with ingredients in medication. Others should perhaps join in too. I am of the opinion that everyone at a world championship (e.g. in Kona) should undergo a doping test after drawing the qualification slot. If the result is positive, the rolldown has to be done afterwards. After all, dreams are not only bursting by doping for professionals. Stay Safe and clean! 🤙
Applied for TUE. Raced while paperwork was being approved. TUE was then denied. So he raced with unapproved drugs in his system on the assumption he would retrospectively be okay? One heck of a risk to take as a professional athlete. Even if it was approved would they have back dated his approval?
As far as I know: caffeine was prohibited until 2004, since then it is on the "watch" list -> they saw an increase on usage in a lot of sports in the mean time, but not that worrying. List: www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/wada_2020_english_prohibited_list_0.pdf
Rules are Rules. Age-Groupers = If you're winning money - 100% fair to be tested and have money taken back if you broke the Rules. Just draft on the Bike - you'll make up the time there! (Like the PROs - "Work Together on the Bike" ; )
Sorry to say, but every triathlete spending hours and hours training, spending a lot of money on equipment and/or coaching and racing on any races should at least read the WADA Code and your local regulations. My coach sets it as a condition to read the code in order to get training plans. German saying: Doper stinken. Alle. Immer.
Great job ! Wish you had down that earlier so that I would have seen it 👍🏻😉 I was banned for an IV after a stomach virus for which I had no tue as an agegrouper. So take it seriously what taren said
TUE process/procedures for AG aka non testing pool athletes varies by country. In Canada some drugs require the TUE beforehand like Testosterone. Some you apply for the TUE retroactively such as ADHD medications (only apply if you get tested). This saves the CCES from an insane number of applications from non elite athletes.
Where did you find the information on insulin? Without it you die. Being a type 1 diabetic for 30 years on a pump im taking it 24/7. Somebody taking it that isn't diabetic or a diabetic taking more than they need at that time would find it debilitating not enhancing. Besides I'd like to know how they would test for it since everyone has it in their bodies.
Lab made insulin shows up different in a blood test. You would need a TUE. I have one for my asthma medication, not that I ever get tested but I have it just in case. But apparently I don’t need it because as an age grouper I can get one after the fact
Though those things are banned about 95 % of age groupers won’t experience blood testing. It’s the top 5% that would worry especially if you placed. Doubt IM will banned someone who pulls a 16+ hour time. Still great info for all though. 💪
@@nathanwoods1927 ok, thank you! My email starts like the winner, so I was hoping I won 😂😂😂 I checked my email thousand times 😂😂😂 even the spam. I though the xxx that hide the email was symbolic but after I checked that each email has different xxxs so I figure out that it’s not symbolic. Anyway thank you for your feedback!
@@Dglinski2 they do it in body building. Everyone is assumed dirty and can complete in the open categories. In order to compete clean you have a to pass x number of test in a time period (it depends on the organization).
Not cool if you are passing off taking testosterone is fine while us average joe’s are just trying to compete. I’ve been watching you for a while, and raced at Atlantic City with you, but that is fcked up if you have been taking testosterone while the rest of us joe smoes just put our work in to compete. Maybe I’m listening to you wrong and I really hope I am, but it really sounds like you took some kind of hormone injection. If you did, share that with your fans. I’m 45 and I feel like just in the last two years I’ve had to work twice as hard to compete with my PB let alone watching you turn down spots in AC so your traniacs can go through to worlds. Again I’ve been watching you for the past couple years and enjoyied watching you grow but .... now im thinking is this all bs? Am I just growing old, training , and racing against guys in age groups that are doping and I really never have a chance of competing with them?
Good vid TT.
Hope you back on the carbs and on the mend.
Man he was warned when he applied that if he raced before it was approved he’d be found in violation of it. He choose to race.
That’s it
The asthma segment in this video is incorrect. You do not need a TUE for inhaled salbutamol (albuterol), salmeterol or formoterol when used in permitted doses. The current prohibited list states that athletes are permitted to administer inhaled salbutamol (in divided doses not exceeding 1600 µg in 24 h and 800 µg in 12 h), formoterol (≤ 54 µg in 24 h) and salmeterol (≤ 200 µg in 24 h) [12] without a TUE. Inhaled corticosteroids do also not require a TUE.
Hate to say it, but rightfully so he shouldn’t have raced because the paperwork hadn’t gone through yet. Also, if there was an alternative that was just as effective he should’ve taken it so that he wouldn’t have to send in a TUE (I think that’s what it’s called)
I knew it! I’ve been saying that the only reason those guys beat me in my 70.3 is because they were stoned....
Your point about TUE is wrong! Amateur athletes do not require a TUE before competing, as there is no way the system could cope with all those applications. If you are an amateur athlete and you are tested, you must apply for a TUE in retrospect (where necessary). There is however a time limit to apply for a TUE in retrospect (i think it is 2 weeks??), so amateur athletes are advised to be prepared by having supporting documents ready in advance. It is a common misunderstanding, partly due to misinformation like this!. When in doubt, do your homework and read the rule book. Unf. this video contributes to the misinformation, so I suggest taking it down or correct it!
Do you care to share the source of your information? After reading your post I read and re-read the USADA TUE Policy and there's nothing in there that suggests that a RCTUE (for recreational competitor, i.e. "Amateur") can be applied retroactively (5.d). In fact, it's pretty clear (in 5.d.2) that it's expected that the RC "has submitted a completed TUE". The Policy goes as far to say that a RCTUE "may not be accepted in an International Event or National Championships". I believe the requirements to get an RCTUE may be a little less stringent than other non-RC athletes (as in 5.d.3-4) but there's nothing in the policy stating that RC can submit retroactively. www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/tue-policy-1.pdf
Also on the FAQ page (see: "I'm a recreational or Masters level athlete, but I like to compete in events and races. Do I need a TUE?"). www.usada.org/athletes/testing/tue/tue-faqs/
@@clebertduarte
www.britishtriathlon.org/gb-teams/clean-sport/tue.
Also, pls refer to the ITU Anti Doping Rules 4.4.4.3: “If ITU chooses to test an athlete who is neither an International-Level nor National-Level Athlete ITU shall permit that athlete to apply to his or her National Anti-Doping Organization for a retroactive TUE” (For the meaning, of ‘International-Level Athlete’ and ‘National Level Athlete’, you’ll need to read the document).I recall that my governing body advised Age Group Athletes >do not< require a TUE in advance of competing at the ITU Age Groups. When in doubt, your National Governing body, should be able to answer any questions you might have.
@@clebertduarte after a bit more reading, it appears USADA’s requirements (for amateur/recreational athletes) are different to ITU requirements. In particular, USADA has an RCTUE system and a TUE pre-check form. UKAD do not have RCTUE’s or a TUE pre-check form. British Triathlon follow ITU rules regarding TUE’s in retrospect. (The time limit to apply for a TUE in retrospect is 5 days after receiving notice of substance abnormality in a test result). I think this explains the difference; and also it explains why some British Athletes incorrectly think they need to apply for a TUE in advance, when they do not.
@@likemarksee you wrong dude. EVERYONE needs a TUE
Inhaled salbutamol (most common puffer) is permitted up to a maximum threshold of 1600 micrograms over 24 hours not exceeding 800 micrograms every 12 hours. The only time you need a TUE for it is if you’re taking any sort of masking agent or diuretic!
How the hell does one know how many milligrams of a particular drug they have in their system, it’s a problem!
When i was younger and used thc my sofa looked a lot more appealing than my running shoes !!
Both WADA and USADA have documents, that list which drugs are banned in separate categories: (1) in competition and (2) outside of competition. It is not difficult!
Even though caffeine is on WADAs “watch list” it may be important to know that caffeine is a banned substance in NCAA competition. The concentration of caffeine in a tested sample cannot exceed 15 micrograms. This means that the athlete would have to drink about 6 cups of coffee shortly before testing.
Or half a scoop of the original Jac3d formula.
That's pretty wild in regards to the apheresis (plasma donation). Clinical lab medicine is my field when not doing tri training and transfusion medicine falls under our area of expertise. I supposed they banned it because there are anticoagulants in use when the blood is put back into the body (obviously to keep blood from clotting). I can imagine that it would be easy enough to slip in some other drugs during the veinous return portion of the donation. Platelets and red blood cells can also be donated on an apheresis machine.
So if I have Asthma and use a prescribed inhalor and race an Ironman or ITU race, for example - I'm competing against the rules unless I have a TUE?...
Taren, in relation to caffeine look up Alex Watson. He was an Australian pentathlete who was sent home from the 1988 Olympic Games for excessive caffeine levels.
I think the big one is cold medicine for pro athletes. I think that's the one that could be an easy slip up if the pro athlete isn't well educated on what they are allowed to use. And t the key is the expectation that these "pro triathletes are well educated on the subject mater" and Starky was perfectly well educated and aware of the rules. So thank you Taren for helping educating all of us on these issues. The more that people know about this stuff the less accidental mistakes we'll have in our sport.
Wish TT had mentioned the importance of looking closely at labels and buying products that have 3rd party testing. It’s not a fail proof way to make sure there isn’t anything contaminated but it’s a good step
Behind every excuse is a cheat. It's been shown so many times; shady behaviour, difficult to prove, missed tests, dubious shouts of innocence; be clean, follow the rules.
In Germany, the national anti-doping agency has published an app that can help with ingredients in medication. Others should perhaps join in too. I am of the opinion that everyone at a world championship (e.g. in Kona) should undergo a doping test after drawing the qualification slot. If the result is positive, the rolldown has to be done afterwards. After all, dreams are not only bursting by doping for professionals.
Stay Safe and clean! 🤙
It exists globally (not an app) there’s a website called global dro
@@sk1ppercat912, that is useless and cumbersome. You should enter an ingredient of your medication and receive information about it immediately.
Applied for TUE. Raced while paperwork was being approved. TUE was then denied. So he raced with unapproved drugs in his system on the assumption he would retrospectively be okay? One heck of a risk to take as a professional athlete. Even if it was approved would they have back dated his approval?
As far as I know: caffeine was prohibited until 2004, since then it is on the "watch" list -> they saw an increase on usage in a lot of sports in the mean time, but not that worrying. List: www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/wada_2020_english_prohibited_list_0.pdf
Anybody know how long after donating plasma it would be OK to race?
Very insightful, thx
How does one find cobalt free b12 when by definition b12 has cobalt? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12 If it doesn't have cobalt, it isn't b12.
Caffeine was previously limited. It was taken off the list completely.
Rules are Rules. Age-Groupers = If you're winning money - 100% fair to be tested and have money taken back if you broke the Rules. Just draft on the Bike - you'll make up the time there! (Like the PROs - "Work Together on the Bike" ; )
Hey taren, if this is the case,they should test every participant who joims IM races
Sorry to say, but every triathlete spending hours and hours training, spending a lot of money on equipment and/or coaching and racing on any races should at least read the WADA Code and your local regulations. My coach sets it as a condition to read the code in order to get training plans. German saying: Doper stinken. Alle. Immer.
Most age groupers that get tested are "Target Tested" - someone knows or suspects an athlete and provides a tip to anti-doping authorities.
Great job ! Wish you had down that earlier so that I would have seen it 👍🏻😉 I was banned for an IV after a stomach virus for which I had no tue as an agegrouper. So take it seriously what taren said
TUE process/procedures for AG aka non testing pool athletes varies by country. In Canada some drugs require the TUE beforehand like Testosterone. Some you apply for the TUE retroactively such as ADHD medications (only apply if you get tested). This saves the CCES from an insane number of applications from non elite athletes.
Where did you find the information on insulin? Without it you die. Being a type 1 diabetic for 30 years on a pump im taking it 24/7. Somebody taking it that isn't diabetic or a diabetic taking more than they need at that time would find it debilitating not enhancing. Besides I'd like to know how they would test for it since everyone has it in their bodies.
Lab made insulin shows up different in a blood test. You would need a TUE. I have one for my asthma medication, not that I ever get tested but I have it just in case. But apparently I don’t need it because as an age grouper I can get one after the fact
Though those things are banned about 95 % of age groupers won’t experience blood testing. It’s the top 5% that would worry especially if you placed. Doubt IM will banned someone who pulls a 16+ hour time. Still great info for all though. 💪
A great post :)
Who did win the giveaway? It just shows the first part of the email!
It won’t show the whole email for safety reasons. Check your email and maybe the junk mail if you think you won.
@@nathanwoods1927 ok, thank you! My email starts like the winner, so I was hoping I won 😂😂😂 I checked my email thousand times 😂😂😂 even the spam. I though the xxx that hide the email was symbolic but after I checked that each email has different xxxs so I figure out that it’s not symbolic. Anyway thank you for your feedback!
Vitamin IV 🤪 Ryan Lochte. Its the amount of the IV that matters.
He got the IV because he had the flu and posted on Instagram and forgot to tell USADA
Im doping. Just making sure I don't win anything.
Caffeine is good!
My solution is to suck so that I never get tested for doping
Its as beleivable as Bradley Wiggins.... BS, in other words. Hes a pro, he knew what he was doing.
I'm pro-doping. Someone should create an organization that does no testing.
coach greg fan?
I’m curious about this as well, anyone know if a organization or league exists where doping isn’t barred?
@@Dglinski2 they do it in body building. Everyone is assumed dirty and can complete in the open categories. In order to compete clean you have a to pass x number of test in a time period (it depends on the organization).
I’m sure if we dig dee enough, oxygen is on the banned list in certain circumstances.
People always say rules are rules.....and they are right. It doesn't mean some of them are dumb.....
agreed
Not cool if you are passing off taking testosterone is fine while us average joe’s are just trying to compete. I’ve been watching you for a while, and raced at Atlantic City with you, but that is fcked up if you have been taking testosterone while the rest of us joe smoes just put our work in to compete.
Maybe I’m listening to you wrong and I really hope I am, but it really sounds like you took some kind of hormone injection. If you did, share that with your fans.
I’m 45 and I feel like just in the last two years I’ve had to work twice as hard to compete with my PB let alone watching you turn down spots in AC so your traniacs can go through to worlds. Again I’ve been watching you for the past couple years and enjoyied watching you grow but .... now im thinking is this all bs? Am I just growing old, training , and racing against guys in age groups that are doping and I really never have a chance of competing with them?