Could you please make a video going to the gym and doing squats, deadlifts, hip thrusts, and jumping rope? After seeing you doing all that with ease, I will make my final decision to have the surgery
Hey Brian - at 14:45 it really looks like you have knock knees in the middle picture. Your knees are so close to each together but your feet is so far apart. It clearly is knock knees. It seemed to get better after the femurs got lengthened but there is still some knees in it.
@@reardelt it was an infection, but there was never osteomyelitis. Knock knees was fixed surgically, but super tight it band exacerbated the issue. As i keep stretching over time, it keeps improving.
@@colombiansasquatch Surprised they didn't do the IT band release/cut when you did your Femurs via Precice. In every seminar/interview of Dr Paley that I've seen online, he says he always does a IT band cut/release for his Femur patients no matter what. He cuts the intermuscular septum and the biceps muscle of the hamstring too along with the IT band.
I'm 173.5cm and always wanted to do the surgery for higher height, however my wingspan is only 168.5-169cm at max. I also have long torso & short legs so even though legs lengthening would improve legs to height, short arms would look even shorter. And having surgery on all 4 limbs is something I'm definitely not prepared to. Also, proportions are not only about how you visually look. With shorter arms it might be harder to do daily things as you may have to squat more to reach something that is below (like washing hands in the sink). Or even while driving the car it's extremely hard to find comfortable position as you have to adjust steering wheel to be closer to you and sometimes it's still not enough - so you have to sit closer which gives less room for your legs that get twisted. So proportions are really super important and if increasing height would ruin them even more - I would stick to better proportions rather than bigger height (unless you are like
Thanks for the video always Vic! Comparing tibia vs. femur for mobility and lifting, longer tibias tend to help with squat posture more than longer femurs. If someone has longer tibias and opts for femur surgery, it might mess a bit with their workout routine because of the change in proportions. If you've got longer tibias (including myself) and consider femur surgery, it might affect your workouts, assuming your arms are long enough. Just to clarify, I know the pros and cons of each surgery, but I'm only talking in terms of weightlifting here. If that is the case, do you think longer tibia is better than longer femur? I'm referring to both the workout perspective and not just the aesthetic side of things.
So longer tibias have much less impact on post LL workouts as in knee bending etc. Reason being they usually lengthen less distance than femurs (2 vs 3in) maximally and they are a vertical bone so, yes some positioning would be required, but a lot could still be done with ease - squating etc. The femur has a bigger impact on squatting etc.
Finally! Great video Victor. i just measured my wingspan (stretched out fingers) 68"... according to what i looked up online for averages... wingspan and height should be about a 1/1 ration... 68"= 5 8"... currently im just under 5 6".. i always kind of knew my legs werent proportional for my torso... could be due to the slight spine curvature i have.. i look forward to my visit to Paley 2024.
Random question, are there people or do you know people who compete in combat sports such as MMA, jiu jitsu, kick boxing.. whose underwent the surgery, and still been able to return to sport and compete ? Great video btw. I really like your honesty when analyzing and giving your opinion.
I know one who does Muy Thai, another that does kickboxing and a few others that have dabbled in MMA. None are professional level though but haven't complained
Anderson Sylvia broke his bone and was able to compete after a year of recovery. This surgery is basically similar if you think about it, the surgery is to break the bones. The bones do heal so I don’t see why you can’t do sports. The same as when someone had a broken bone during their lifetime and still able to play sport and live a normal life afterwards
15:00 this one was so stupid the dude was 6'1" and wanted to be 6'6" and now he has stick legs and lost all the muscle it looks so bad and it was unnecessary
Brother, I wonder how the lengthening procedure might affect the muscle amount. If the lower legs get prolonged, would the calves be stretched thinner so the legs look skinnier? As calves are very hard to build by working out.
I'm 66" tall, with a short torso and a long wingspan. My arms are 28" long, hands at my sides my fingertips are 14" down from my waist, and easily extend 5-6" past my pockets. From my heel to my hip is 39". Femur is approx 19" and tibia 15". I think my knees may look slightly low, naturally, but my legs definitely look long in relation to my torso, but really only noticeable without clothing. I just want to be 68-70.5" tall. It would literally change my life. I don't mind being a smaller guy, I think being okay with 5'9" is a modest goal. I'm in great shape, and for my frame, I think at 5'9 5'10 I'd look like a precision human weapon. Since I was a young short kid, every yearly check up I would ask the doctor how tall I would end up being, and they sold me a whole dream, telling me I'd end up being 5'9. I've always felt like I got robbed of that 😂 It's how I've always envisioned myself, and I feel like my current height 5'6 just doesn't match me, and thought my growth must have gotten stunted somehow. Am I gonna look fucked up if I try this?
Hi Victor, thank you for your channel, it's been very helpful! I'm planning on doing Quad CLL and was wondering if there is an issue with guys who are currently on TRT or Testosterone Replacement Therapy under the monitoring of a doctor. How does that relate to CLL? Please let me know if you have information on this or maybe you've covered on a video that I can watch. Cheers!
I don't have any direct data or info on how TRT relates to LL but I would think so long as you stop all meds according to the surgeon then you should be okay after about a week or so. But the surgeon will let you know for sure
People are not born proportional also, ive seen guys who are like 6f 3 and have small heads like they are 5f 5 tall, or they generally look too much streched- entire body while it makes them "proportional" but they dont look masculine that way, its like they took growth hormone too much and grew too fast too soon, makes them look like light poles, you can see it at younger kinds in bigger towns especially. Probably due to ultraprocessed food, bigger person is also bigger consumer, so it is in favor of many companies, while people in smaller places who eat more balanced diet are moderate height and dont look elongated. But i myself would never go for it, it would be to many bad side-effects, for 1 'good'- to be taller. Even though i never had problem with girls. Believe it or not, until when i was 26 years old and went on datings apps (did pretty ok on apps) until that age i really didnt knew that height was a thing with girls (that they want someone taller than them) when i startet reading their profiles. From my experience in school and collage i never heard of height agenda, dont know how.
Can you make a video about shoulder width/span with height comparison after lengthening, in my opinion height and width is the most important comparison, before and after. The ones in the video looked quite fine, it even looked like they got wider (psychologically)
Nah, your body will still biologically respond in the way it stores fat and sees is healthy for your old size. That said there is plenty of leeway, a 5'6 guy weighing 150 and a 5'9 guy weighing 150 are going to both be within normal range. and if you are in decent shape, the bmi isn't going to matter much anyways.
@@Heatwave68 Nah there isn't enough info on it, atm. This is just understanding biomechanical fuctions. Mechanically changing your body through LL doesn't change your biological responses and make up of other systems of the body like fat storage, metabolism, etc. You gut chest etc. Are still going to store weight the same as when a guy was 5'6" . Your could apply the similar logic to say someone who lost their leg in an accident. If you wanted to go the opposite route. Avg leg would come in at 26 lbs. So lets say you were 5'6" and 150 before you lost the leg. Now you weigh 124 so your bmi is less. But lets say you put on 26 lbs of fat. Your bmi would say you are "healthy" but realistically with the leg thrown back it you would be overweight. All this said, if you are in good shape, bf% would be a much better indicator to go off of for health as opposed to BMI in this instance, and there would be alot of overlap. If your BF% is good then your BMI would still generally be fine regardless.
@@Greenyt1234 Interesting reply, was wondering if the extra mass going into the new muscle and bone tissues of the lengthened area could make up for the change in bmi!
2nd guys arms look small to me In the first pic theyre about the same as his partner's But in the second pic its way above. It should have been close enough. Also if you look at quwre hands hang relative to the femur..it looks quite high up Nothing extreme though. Just slightly off
Hey I’m confused about what causes muscle stiffness when lengthening. Isn’t it as same as someone who grows during puberty and the muscles get stretched? What makes limb lengthening to takes more time for you to regain flexibility compared to natural growth?
Yes but you're lengthening faster and it's overriding your genetics so soft tissue needs to be properly conditioned to achieve the same suppleness and pliability as natural growth. Can be done when you don't overdo itg
for full consolidation usually 1.5month per cm or so. But you will be allowed to fully weight bear before this as that's dependent on cortical bone formation. So walking comes before full ossification if that makes sense.
It’s not because nobody tells you something is off with your body that it is not actually the case. People are hypocritical and for most of them avoid being offensive. I personally won’t say a guy is super ugly straight to his face unless I know him very well. Same thing applies to weird proportions imo.
This has been my main concern. Do the good doctors also advise on this and is it as thorough as your assessment? I think Donghoon Lee does. Not sure if the Western doctors like Rozbruch, Paley or Birkholtz do though.
@@Cyborg4Life Hi Vic, I have a follow-up question. Do you know how to get x-rays of my bones? I want measurements of my bone lengths, at least the tibia and femur, whole body if possible, so I can plan my lengthening. Kind regards.
Glad the videos are helpful. Well it's dependent on multiple factors. And when measuring the torso it's not entire spine just to about the suprasternal notch/clavicular level to the waist or wherever you wear your pants/shorts - typically below belly button or slightly below asis around lower abs. I would need an ideal body to measure and assess and give you a number
@@Cyborg4Lifethanks for the answer, I’m 167 cm, my torso is around 43-44 cm ( I think I measured it correctly), the legs height is 96 cm, my wing span is 176 cm
Sir , I'm really sad about my height .. I'm 4'11 ...can you tell me how max height i can be after this LLS , please i request you to tell me ... I'm really worried
A lot. In fact when I was about 3 years after surgery I was very explosive. I just haven't sprinted in a while. Did so in this video th-cam.com/video/DxsFso-9p_Y/w-d-xo.html. I don't do long distance - well I do for cardio but not pace. Not sure what muscle surgery is
Girl: Why do you want to be taller, you just need confidence. Me: Ok, i'll take your advice. Wanna go out sometime with me? Girl: Ew, no. I don't date short guys.
Bro!! How much you have lengthened?....does your proportion look bad? I am planning to do 5.5cm which will make me 174 cm .will my legs look unproportioned? Bro plz plz answer all my question 😢
Hello Victor, I want to ask you a question. I have a friend who is 19 years old, but his growth plates have closed. Will undergoing surgery now have any negative effects?
Hey bro , I am an Indian i want to ask question , how much money is needed to open a limb lengthening centre including building, all medical devices , and staff Can you give little overview about the pricelist I think investment on hospital for limb lengthening is good idea than paying 1 crore to get this surgery in other clinics Afterall i can get my surgery done in my own clinic if i opened it in future Plus I also want to help short people to get this surgery at very low amount Because i can feel them
Hlo victor Can you say what is the bad effectsof limb lengthening of only tibia on other body parts such as face nerves, eyes nerves or loss of sensory movements or other muscles of body etc
Great video thank you for your explanations ! I did not understand for the rule number one in the end. Do i need to have at least 3 inches wingspan more than my height ? My height is 5'4.5 (163,5cm) and wingspan 5'6 (167cm) and i was planning to get 5 inches. But my fingers are 5 inches below my pockets so i'm note sure.
Hey mans, I am hoping to get some input here. I am 5’8 but my wingspan is 6’3 fingers spread. I do have a 22’ back so that might be doing something. Anyhow, how many inches do you advice I should aim for ? I might go for it in like a year if it’s worth it for me
Hmmm I could only imagine but I think you should be okay if your current torso is at least on the low end of the normal range of length for a torso. Pictures tell me more than numbers
@Cyborg4Life why not? Seems like the same procedure. I would avoid the forearms. It seems like there's a twist that needs to be perfect for them to function, but an inch on the upper arm would save proportions. What am I missing?
Bro, Does doing 10cm across both legs help with proportion? I want to do 6cm in Femur and do 4cm in tibia. Do you think it will work good for my Proportion instead of doing 10cm on my Femur only ?
My wrist touches the bottom of my pocket and I’m 6 ft, Im thinking about doing 3.2 inches with Paley on the femurs in a couple years. Does that sound like I’ll look normal? Im good at squatting deep and also doing the “asian squat” and just sitting there, so i think that should be flexible enough right. Also I have knee pain ever so often if I squat too much, so Im wondering if my femurs are actually too short for my tibias.
Im 5 5 and my wingspan is 5 7. I want 18cm (which made me 6”) in 2 surgery but im not sure how my proportions gonna be like. When I do fingertip I get 5 9 and its seems very proportional and nice.How can I make a decision between it. Im scared of looking like alien
@@Cyborg4Life yeah you seem right. Does 15cm is healty or should i do 12-13cm total. The thing that confuse me is LLT patients they do lot of sharing about getting 15-20cm
Coming here from another video of yours. Just a simple question. In 2 surgeries, what is the max i can gain while being in the "safest" limit. Like I'm about 5'6+ (167-168), and I'm planning to achieve 5'11 (or 5'10.5 if not 5'11). One more thing, i have big torso and short legs. My sitting height is about a cm taller than my 5'10 brother. So considering my short legs as well. How much would you suggest getting?
You would need to know your arm length too but your legs would probably look better afterwards. In 2 surgeries it's hard to say. Some can only get a total of 8cm some 10cm and the rare lucky few 12cm or tad more it's all about what your body can tolerate
Please guys don't do this. So many are saying they do it for women, anyone you end up with needs to like you as you are. If a woman you like prefers taller, that's fine, move onto another.
@@gj9157 that's great to hear fron someone who did the surgery, would it be possible to ask you a few questions by mail if possible? You would help me alot. Anyway, thank you for your answer and Happy new Year to everybody ;)
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How about you show how they look when the sit? It probably looks awful and obvious to everyone. But you won't show this because this is an echo chamber of depressed people who will do this ridiculous procedure by conveniently avoiding facts.
Yeah maybe I should just ask everyone to sit down and let me see their torso height which has next to nothing to do with overall perspective of proportions and how they are regarded in the public perception...yeah I'll get right on that. ; )
@@Cyborg4Lifewhat are you on man? Sitting is a common scenario! You sit all the time: at the office, in school, in a bus, airplane, in meetings you name it. I don't get how a 5'6 guy having the legs of a 6'2 guy would seriously look normal!! most of these people need a psychiatrist.
Bro!!! Joe Rogan was talking about LL and they played your running clip from way back on the podcast. That was awesome to watch 🤣💪🏽
Link?
Which episode?
#2078 - Duncan Trussell
1 hr and 33 mins into the podcast.
Link? Can’t find it
I need you guys to understand that nobody is going to talk about your proportions in public, even if they might think it.
I love this
I will soon undergo this surgery in turkey, so wish me luck guys. i will have my tibias increased by 6cm / 2.5 inches
💪 🦿 good luck brother
good luck bro, I wish you all the best in your height increasing journey
Good luck brother, do you know how much will it cost you?
@@realtimcooker it cost me 26k usd my friend
@@subjectfrankIs everything include in? I also want this surgery which company is this? Is this comp. is the cheapest?
Could you please make a video going to the gym and doing squats, deadlifts, hip thrusts, and jumping rope? After seeing you doing all that with ease, I will make my final decision to have the surgery
I have videos throughout my videos. There's one I show me lifting back in 2021
You're right. I was on my tip toes (against my will)...it did eventually resolve and legs look much better after they started filling back out.
Hey Brian - at 14:45 it really looks like you have knock knees in the middle picture. Your knees are so close to each together but your feet is so far apart. It clearly is knock knees. It seemed to get better after the femurs got lengthened but there is still some knees in it.
And at 14:45 is that an infection on your right tibia in the middle picture? How did those guys at LLT fix the osteomyelitis?
@@reardelt it was an infection, but there was never osteomyelitis. Knock knees was fixed surgically, but super tight it band exacerbated the issue. As i keep stretching over time, it keeps improving.
@@colombiansasquatch Surprised they didn't do the IT band release/cut when you did your Femurs via Precice. In every seminar/interview of Dr Paley that I've seen online, he says he always does a IT band cut/release for his Femur patients no matter what. He cuts the intermuscular septum and the biceps muscle of the hamstring too along with the IT band.
@@reardelt they did an IT band release
I'm 173.5cm and always wanted to do the surgery for higher height, however my wingspan is only 168.5-169cm at max. I also have long torso & short legs so even though legs lengthening would improve legs to height, short arms would look even shorter. And having surgery on all 4 limbs is something I'm definitely not prepared to. Also, proportions are not only about how you visually look. With shorter arms it might be harder to do daily things as you may have to squat more to reach something that is below (like washing hands in the sink). Or even while driving the car it's extremely hard to find comfortable position as you have to adjust steering wheel to be closer to you and sometimes it's still not enough - so you have to sit closer which gives less room for your legs that get twisted. So proportions are really super important and if increasing height would ruin them even more - I would stick to better proportions rather than bigger height (unless you are like
Proporitions matter more for you interesting
Thanks for the video always Vic!
Comparing tibia vs. femur for mobility and lifting, longer tibias tend to help with squat posture more than longer femurs. If someone has longer tibias and opts for femur surgery, it might mess a bit with their workout routine because of the change in proportions. If you've got longer tibias (including myself) and consider femur surgery, it might affect your workouts, assuming your arms are long enough. Just to clarify, I know the pros and cons of each surgery, but I'm only talking in terms of weightlifting here. If that is the case, do you think longer tibia is better than longer femur? I'm referring to both the workout perspective and not just the aesthetic side of things.
So longer tibias have much less impact on post LL workouts as in knee bending etc. Reason being they usually lengthen less distance than femurs (2 vs 3in) maximally and they are a vertical bone so, yes some positioning would be required, but a lot could still be done with ease - squating etc. The femur has a bigger impact on squatting etc.
unfortunately, most of the before and after photos are unusable because they often wear extra long clothes that hide the proportions.
You're clothed in public, too. Nobody is going to notice unless you're getting freaky or at the beach.
True - there was some estimation in there (shirt indentations and pocket level as backup) but in the ones it's evident on proves the case
Finally! Great video Victor. i just measured my wingspan (stretched out fingers) 68"... according to what i looked up online for averages... wingspan and height should be about a 1/1 ration... 68"= 5 8"... currently im just under 5 6".. i always kind of knew my legs werent proportional for my torso... could be due to the slight spine curvature i have.. i look forward to my visit to Paley 2024.
That's awesome!
Random question, are there people or do you know people who compete in combat sports such as MMA, jiu jitsu, kick boxing.. whose underwent the surgery, and still been able to return to sport and compete ?
Great video btw. I really like your honesty when analyzing and giving your opinion.
I know one who does Muy Thai, another that does kickboxing and a few others that have dabbled in MMA. None are professional level though but haven't complained
This was my thoughts because I’ve still been pondering to lengthen my arms to give me at the least a fair advantage in reach.
I mean if your life is 100% sport related maybe don't do the surgery
Anderson Sylvia broke his bone and was able to compete after a year of recovery. This surgery is basically similar if you think about it, the surgery is to break the bones. The bones do heal so I don’t see why you can’t do sports.
The same as when someone had a broken bone during their lifetime and still able to play sport and live a normal life afterwards
15:00 this one was so stupid the dude was 6'1" and wanted to be 6'6" and now he has stick legs and lost all the muscle it looks so bad and it was unnecessary
Yeahh 😬😬
Actually, he's going to gain more muscles on his legs so it won't look bad
Hello !❤
Please also share videos about women who have lengthening surgery🙏❤
Great idea I need more of them to be willing to share
It’s a shame because my legs are like 70% of my entire body, I already look disproportionate and with this surgery it’ll look much much worse.
Never know unless you have pics and we are always critical ourselves so you might not be
Brother, I wonder how the lengthening procedure might affect the muscle amount. If the lower legs get prolonged, would the calves be stretched thinner so the legs look skinnier? As calves are very hard to build by working out.
Bro I need this surgery badly
What’s your height
Such a great topic ❤
Do you think “live life taller” is trustworthy and does the job well plus gives good rehabilitation?
If I remember correctly he has said in other videos that they are not
Height increase info is with better facilities and cost also very low like for 14-15cm cost is 20k USD $
9:05 "...T-Rex like... In this case, no they don't-"
They 100% absolutely do
I have a complications video
I'm 66" tall, with a short torso and a long wingspan. My arms are 28" long, hands at my sides my fingertips are 14" down from my waist, and easily extend 5-6" past my pockets. From my heel to my hip is 39". Femur is approx 19" and tibia 15". I think my knees may look slightly low, naturally, but my legs definitely look long in relation to my torso, but really only noticeable without clothing.
I just want to be 68-70.5" tall. It would literally change my life. I don't mind being a smaller guy, I think being okay with 5'9" is a modest goal. I'm in great shape, and for my frame, I think at 5'9 5'10 I'd look like a precision human weapon. Since I was a young short kid, every yearly check up I would ask the doctor how tall I would end up being, and they sold me a whole dream, telling me I'd end up being 5'9. I've always felt like I got robbed of that 😂 It's how I've always envisioned myself, and I feel like my current height 5'6 just doesn't match me, and thought my growth must have gotten stunted somehow.
Am I gonna look fucked up if I try this?
Same what's your planning ....are you doing this
Hi Victor, thank you for your channel, it's been very helpful! I'm planning on doing Quad CLL and was wondering if there is an issue with guys who are currently on TRT or Testosterone Replacement Therapy under the monitoring of a doctor. How does that relate to CLL? Please let me know if you have information on this or maybe you've covered on a video that I can watch. Cheers!
I don't have any direct data or info on how TRT relates to LL but I would think so long as you stop all meds according to the surgeon then you should be okay after about a week or so. But the surgeon will let you know for sure
the guy at 14:45 has knock knees (left foot). See the middle picture.
So?
The alignment of the leg now in wrong,
If it bones issues it is very bad, probable new operation for leg
Else if it muscle problem the is no issue.
Can you lengthen your arms and legs at the same time?
People are not born proportional also, ive seen guys who are like 6f 3 and have small heads like they are 5f 5 tall, or they generally look too much streched- entire body while it makes them "proportional" but they dont look masculine that way, its like they took growth hormone too much and grew too fast too soon, makes them look like light poles, you can see it at younger kinds in bigger towns especially. Probably due to ultraprocessed food, bigger person is also bigger consumer, so it is in favor of many companies, while people in smaller places who eat more balanced diet are moderate height and dont look elongated.
But i myself would never go for it, it would be to many bad side-effects, for 1 'good'- to be taller. Even though i never had problem with girls. Believe it or not, until when i was 26 years old and went on datings apps (did pretty ok on apps) until that age i really didnt knew that height was a thing with girls (that they want someone taller than them) when i startet reading their profiles. From my experience in school and collage i never heard of height agenda, dont know how.
Can you make a video about shoulder width/span with height comparison after lengthening, in my opinion height and width is the most important comparison, before and after. The ones in the video looked quite fine, it even looked like they got wider (psychologically)
I agree shoulder width does add to the illusion somewhat but the limb ratios would be primary.
What about the BMI? Is it affected by the new height in terms of weight distribution?
Nah, your body will still biologically respond in the way it stores fat and sees is healthy for your old size. That said there is plenty of leeway, a 5'6 guy weighing 150 and a 5'9 guy weighing 150 are going to both be within normal range. and if you are in decent shape, the bmi isn't going to matter much anyways.
@@Greenyt1234 Any study or data supporting this claim? I cant find anything related to this BMI issue of LL.
@23KingPro Because there isn't. It's not that big of a deal for most people.
@@Heatwave68 Nah there isn't enough info on it, atm. This is just understanding biomechanical fuctions. Mechanically changing your body through LL doesn't change your biological responses and make up of other systems of the body like fat storage, metabolism, etc.
You gut chest etc. Are still going to store weight the same as when a guy was 5'6" .
Your could apply the similar logic to say someone who lost their leg in an accident. If you wanted to go the opposite route.
Avg leg would come in at 26 lbs. So lets say you were 5'6" and 150 before you lost the leg. Now you weigh 124 so your bmi is less. But lets say you put on 26 lbs of fat. Your bmi would say you are "healthy" but realistically with the leg thrown back it you would be overweight.
All this said, if you are in good shape, bf% would be a much better indicator to go off of for health as opposed to BMI in this instance, and there would be alot of overlap. If your BF% is good then your BMI would still generally be fine regardless.
@@Greenyt1234 Interesting reply, was wondering if the extra mass going into the new muscle and bone tissues of the lengthened area could make up for the change in bmi!
This is done a lot in Asian countries that have an obsession with Anglo perception of beauty.
It is extreme and a form of body dysmorphia to me!!!!!!!
Again it should be done for height first and foremost. If, by default, it helps balance out proportions then so be it
Will 5 cm increase in humerus take away my lifting athleticism?
That I'm not sure of but based on what surgeons have said when fully healed...no
@@Cyborg4Lifeany idea how long will it take to fully recover after arm lengthening?
What is your before and after height after the surgery
2nd guys arms look small to me
In the first pic theyre about the same as his partner's
But in the second pic its way above. It should have been close enough.
Also if you look at quwre hands hang relative to the femur..it looks quite high up
Nothing extreme though. Just slightly off
I thought the same thing
Hey I’m confused about what causes muscle stiffness when lengthening. Isn’t it as same as someone who grows during puberty and the muscles get stretched? What makes limb lengthening to takes more time for you to regain flexibility compared to natural growth?
Yes but you're lengthening faster and it's overriding your genetics so soft tissue needs to be properly conditioned to achieve the same suppleness and pliability as natural growth. Can be done when you don't overdo itg
@@Cyborg4Lifeoh ok. Will taking HGH help with muscle and tendon tightness since HGH spikes during puberty?
If I do 3 inches of height, can I do surgery in the future again for other 3 inches to complete 6 inches. My goal is 5’8
If the surgeon sees it as safe for you.
How can you measure your leg length without xray?
This method was general assessment with rough guidelines WITHOUT x-rays or confusing numbers. It actually works better too
ATR makes the most sense.
I'm not to worry about proportions, I'm 5'7 with a 19 inch torso and I know someone who is 6'1 with the same torso length
Ah cool lol yeah it varies quite a bit
I got a 20.5 inch torso lol
How long does it take for bones for unifying, consolidate and close the leg lengthened gap after lengthening?
for full consolidation usually 1.5month per cm or so. But you will be allowed to fully weight bear before this as that's dependent on cortical bone formation. So walking comes before full ossification if that makes sense.
It’s not because nobody tells you something is off with your body that it is not actually the case. People are hypocritical and for most of them avoid being offensive. I personally won’t say a guy is super ugly straight to his face unless I know him very well. Same thing applies to weird proportions imo.
Cyborg 4 life. I am 5.7+ some shoes will get me to 5.8+ is 5.10 5.11ish a safe bet? Thank you 4 ur time… I am a 37 year old male
My IR went from 0.8 to 0.7 after Femur LL 8cm, looks a bit strange in short shorts, I wear pants or long shorts nowadays.
Short shorts do reveal more but muscle size can hide a lot too
This has been my main concern. Do the good doctors also advise on this and is it as thorough as your assessment? I think Donghoon Lee does. Not sure if the Western doctors like Rozbruch, Paley or Birkholtz do though.
I don't think any surgeon has gone this in depth - they probably didn't know how to analyze. This is more from physique sports
@@Cyborg4Life Thanks Vic! Your work on this topic has been invaluable.
@@Cyborg4Life Hi Vic, I have a follow-up question. Do you know how to get x-rays of my bones? I want measurements of my bone lengths, at least the tibia and femur, whole body if possible, so I can plan my lengthening. Kind regards.
2:44 the dude is slowing in the first 2 pictures. Which makes the 6cm look like a big deal.
Victor, thanks for your vids! Could you please say what’s the decent arm-to-torso ratio in order to be lengthened by 5 inches, I have around 0,61
Glad the videos are helpful. Well it's dependent on multiple factors. And when measuring the torso it's not entire spine just to about the suprasternal notch/clavicular level to the waist or wherever you wear your pants/shorts - typically below belly button or slightly below asis around lower abs. I would need an ideal body to measure and assess and give you a number
@@Cyborg4Lifethanks for the answer, I’m 167 cm, my torso is around 43-44 cm ( I think I measured it correctly), the legs height is 96 cm, my wing span is 176 cm
Sir , I'm really sad about my height .. I'm 4'11 ...can you tell me how max height i can be after this LLS , please i request you to tell me ... I'm really worried
have you spoken to a surgeon yet?
maybe I can do quadliterlengthening without any too much trouble
can you tell us Shoe lift making companies which we can use with having Limb length discrepancy
Sure shoe lift express and american heelers are great companies!
i have a 6 foot wingspan at 5'8 this might be something I have to do lol
🤣welcome to the club
Hi I have a few questions, how much have you recovered since you had the 50m run, marathon, and muscle surgery?
A lot. In fact when I was about 3 years after surgery I was very explosive. I just haven't sprinted in a while. Did so in this video th-cam.com/video/DxsFso-9p_Y/w-d-xo.html. I don't do long distance - well I do for cardio but not pace. Not sure what muscle surgery is
Girl: Why do you want to be taller, you just need confidence.
Me: Ok, i'll take your advice. Wanna go out sometime with me?
Girl: Ew, no. I don't date short guys.
Please I need your help to evaluate my torso for LL. I want to do a 20cm lengthening from 160cm to 180cm. Is it possible?
My wrists are 4.5 inches below my waist line, would a 2inch increase in height significantly impact my ratio? I'm 5'9
Should be good since your wrists fall so far below waist level. This method works very well
Is it possible to send pictures to you so we can have idea?
I usually do consultations for that type of assessment
Bro!! How much you have lengthened?....does your proportion look bad? I am planning to do 5.5cm which will make me 174 cm .will my legs look unproportioned? Bro plz plz answer all my question 😢
Hard to say with out pictures
I think my arm are really long 5inch after looking your video
will you make a video Arnold body proportion
Hmmm not sure I will
Hey guys I'm 5'8" with a 32" inseam and I'm wondering if it would still be wise to do the surgery or just not
Hi Cyborg, where do you recommend for me to go? Im 5'2 and want to do quad (both tibia, femur)
I usually do this over a consultation since it depends on factors like cost etc.
Hey Victor! What is the ideal weight for surgery?
As fit as possible. Hard to say for any person in general
how much is this
30k to 100k
@@max-cs4pz30k? how many inches can I gain
Hello Victor, I want to ask you a question. I have a friend who is 19 years old, but his growth plates have closed. Will undergoing surgery now have any negative effects?
It's unlikely but the surgeon will be able to confirm with a proper assessment
How can i send you the photo to assess me ?
I usually do those over consultation as emails can get very backed up
My brother and i have long ass arms and im at 175 so i'm happy for once i was born with long arms 🗿 my goal is 180+
What about jumping after surgery
You can once healed enough
Hey bro , I am an Indian
i want to ask question , how much money is needed to open a limb lengthening centre including building, all medical devices , and staff
Can you give little overview about the pricelist
I think investment on hospital for limb lengthening is good idea than paying 1 crore to get this surgery in other clinics
Afterall i can get my surgery done in my own clinic if i opened it in future
Plus
I also want to help short people to get this surgery at very low amount
Because i can feel them
Very nice of you to consider being so utilitarian. I'm not sure on the costs etc. but a good research project indeed ; )
Would a 5 inch gain make someone look disproportion if they have perfectly normal proportions?
Depends it could be close
@@Cyborg4Life what about 4 inches, I'm 5'8 with a 5'10 wingspan, is that still too much?
My wing span is about 1-2 inches beyond my height. What would be a good guess for height at 5'4?
Hlo victor
Can you say what is the bad effectsof limb lengthening of only tibia on other body parts such as face nerves, eyes nerves or loss of sensory movements or other muscles of body etc
Nothing that I know of. I mean it usually remains local to the complication. In rare circumstances you could have systemic issues but very rare
Great video thank you for your explanations ! I did not understand for the rule number one in the end. Do i need to have at least 3 inches wingspan more than my height ? My height is 5'4.5 (163,5cm) and wingspan 5'6 (167cm) and i was planning to get 5 inches. But my fingers are 5 inches below my pockets so i'm note sure.
Ideally yes but not necessarily always the case
Hey mans, I am hoping to get some input here. I am 5’8 but my wingspan is 6’3 fingers spread. I do have a 22’ back so that might be doing something.
Anyhow, how many inches do you advice I should aim for ?
I might go for it in like a year if it’s worth it for me
Hmmm I could only imagine but I think you should be okay if your current torso is at least on the low end of the normal range of length for a torso. Pictures tell me more than numbers
Why not lengthen all the limbs? Smol torso long limbs like Jack Hanma
Lol you could...in an ideal world not in reality
@Cyborg4Life why not? Seems like the same procedure. I would avoid the forearms. It seems like there's a twist that needs to be perfect for them to function, but an inch on the upper arm would save proportions.
What am I missing?
does upper body tattoos affect proportion perception ?
Hmm good question not super sure but I don't think so
Hey can I get this surgery in India if I have only hsv1
This is a good question for the surgeon
Hello Victor. How long does it take to walking without crutch like normal?for 12 cm. and how long for running and jumping?🌟
Depends but I would say closer to a year for normal walking given enough time in between and 18-24 months for the latter
Bro, Does doing 10cm across both legs help with proportion? I want to do 6cm in Femur and do 4cm in tibia. Do you think it will work good for my Proportion instead of doing 10cm on my Femur only ?
Hey Victor.I have my wrist 4.5 inch es below my waist.How much limb lengthening is possible without looking disproportionate?
About that same amount...over two surgeries
Hey cyborg can a person walk having 2.5cm length gap normally?
Without it being stabilized by a device implant or bone itself then no
@@Cyborg4Lifecan you tell us Shoe lift making companies which we can use with having Limb length discrepancy
I did mockup of my picture, My current height is 175 cm and I did +12 cm in photoshop and can you review or can I show you?
I usually only review those on consultation as I would be too busy to review everyone's
i have problem with my arm lenth because my wingspan is 180cm but my height is 167cm. does getting Lim length help my proportion?
It might
How many months does it take for 10 cm gains to normal walking?
depends - once the bone is healed as well as strong enough and flexible enough to have a normal walk
@@Cyborg4Life how many months on average in your experiences ?
My wrist touches the bottom of my pocket and I’m 6 ft, Im thinking about doing 3.2 inches with Paley on the femurs in a couple years. Does that sound like I’ll look normal?
Im good at squatting deep and also doing the “asian squat” and just sitting there, so i think that should be flexible enough right.
Also I have knee pain ever so often if I squat too much, so Im wondering if my femurs are actually too short for my tibias.
Sounds like you have a great arm length. I would say it sounds normal and probably a bit above it
@@Cyborg4Life thanks! I’ll either go to Miami for Paley or Canada for the Canadian one when I can afford it!
Im 5 5 and my wingspan is 5 7. I want 18cm (which made me 6”) in 2 surgery but im not sure how my proportions gonna be like. When I do fingertip I get 5 9 and its seems very proportional and nice.How can I make a decision between it. Im scared of looking like alien
That's too much length. Don't recommend you do it
@@Cyborg4Life yeah you seem right. Does 15cm is healty or should i do 12-13cm total. The thing that confuse me is LLT patients they do lot of sharing about getting 15-20cm
@@kerem8587 15 cm has been done before but i'd advice you to get 10 cm max
Is upper body lengthening possible??
Upper arms only currently for cosmetic reasons
Hi. So i have done tibia 6cm. thinking of getting 4cm on the femur. should I expect a fast recovery from 4cm femur ?
It could work out that way - usually would in a perfect world
@@Cyborg4Life tks man. You are doing God’s work
Coming here from another video of yours. Just a simple question.
In 2 surgeries, what is the max i can gain while being in the "safest" limit.
Like I'm about 5'6+ (167-168), and I'm planning to achieve 5'11 (or 5'10.5 if not 5'11).
One more thing, i have big torso and short legs. My sitting height is about a cm taller than my 5'10 brother.
So considering my short legs as well. How much would you suggest getting?
You would need to know your arm length too but your legs would probably look better afterwards. In 2 surgeries it's hard to say. Some can only get a total of 8cm some 10cm and the rare lucky few 12cm or tad more it's all about what your body can tolerate
Please guys don't do this. So many are saying they do it for women, anyone you end up with needs to like you as you are. If a woman you like prefers taller, that's fine, move onto another.
porportions look better
Hi I'm 5'4 is it possible to reach 5'10?
Probably in 2 quadrilateral surgeries
Heyyyy 5'4 gang. I'd be fine with 5'9-5-10.
Sir my height is 5.10 should I do limb lenghtening by3 inches is it safe?
I can't make that decision unfortunately but it has been done
I'm more concerned with my hand
Hands don't really impact your proportions so don't worry about that
Hi! im 169-169 cm, im planning on doing 6 cm femurs, my wingspan is 173,5 cm aprox, do you think it would look weird?
No, I was 169cm before my femur lengthening. I did 8.2cm and my wingspan was 174cm. I look perfectly normal.
@@gj9157 that's great to hear fron someone who did the surgery, would it be possible to ask you a few questions by mail if possible? You would help me alot.
Anyway, thank you for your answer and Happy new Year to everybody ;)
@@kevinmunozmartinez1728 Yeah man, you can just ask me here or on my channel.
why would someine go to surgery if they are 182,5 cm?! blows my mind. way above average to begin with. some people should try therapy first. but ok!
Yeah everyone has their own reasons who knows thanks for your input
Yeah fr it’s insane
Хех, зачем он замазал им лица, они ведь публичные люди. Те что на оранжевом фоне
I am 167 cm and wings span is also 167 cm how much height can i increase any suggestions..
Hard to say without photo
I want to get limb lengthening but I have scoliosis, would it be fine to get surgery for scoliosis first then wait for years to get limb lengthening?
Most likely yes once fully healed. But a surgeon can best advise here
People way to insecure nowadays lol this is pathetic
I agree totally
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How about you show how they look when the sit? It probably looks awful and obvious to everyone. But you won't show this because this is an echo chamber of depressed people who will do this ridiculous procedure by conveniently avoiding facts.
Yeah maybe I should just ask everyone to sit down and let me see their torso height which has next to nothing to do with overall perspective of proportions and how they are regarded in the public perception...yeah I'll get right on that. ; )
@@Cyborg4Lifewhat are you on man? Sitting is a common scenario! You sit all the time: at the office, in school, in a bus, airplane, in meetings you name it. I don't get how a 5'6 guy having the legs of a 6'2 guy would seriously look normal!! most of these people need a psychiatrist.
I'm going to add 18cm to my height but what about my arm? Cuz my arm is 167cm
Don't suggest that much