@@cheesstick3108I started a business to fund my house and my legs the price is going up again next year the more popular it is. Paying my 5k at the end of the year to lock in the price.
You can join the discord and ask him. But he said he did lots of preparation before surgery. Here's a good free resource...cyborg4life.com/secrets - look for road to resurgence
@@davidekero4526 no it's not lol. This is typical especially of patients who go to clinics where their privacy is respected unlike some clinics you see online that are creating complications to the unbeknownst prospective patients. You can simply join the discord and message Julius if you'd like. The many patients that have sent me content are not comfortable with it being publicly displayed. I'm sure you might be similar if you got it done. Not everyone gets paid to do a patient testimonial ; )
Another excellent video! This is great anecdotal evidence for what I believe which is you will benefit from LL even if you are around average height. There is a ton of debate on the LL forum on LL at heights like 5’9” and whether it is beneficial. I believe it is. It may not be as beneficial as lengthening from short (5’5 ish) to becoming average. But if you are below 5’11 to 6’ I think getting an extra 2 to 3 inches is going to still have a massive benefit. I’m 5’9” and in my experience most women would find you significantly more attractive with a couple more inches. Also general perception of tall people is that they are more charismatic, confident and better leaders. What do you think Vic? Would LL still provide substantial benefits starting from an average height?
I do. I have spoken to a significant (majority) of patients who were 5'7 --> 5'9 starting and went up 2-3 inches. I think the ones who are over 6ft may not see a tremendous external public response but may still notice it themselves which is what matters at the end of the day
A non weight bearing nail, you mean precice2 right? I need about 4 cm in one leg (discrepancy). Is it possible to weight bare? What's expected in terms of recovery, time to being able to walk without assistance?
Welcome to my world! No not with the precice 2. You'll have to use crutches for a while. But they have a new nail coming out around valentines day - unless they get delayed yet again smh. I know it could be worth it for many.
I'm at 6ft and always thought about limb lengthening on all 8 points to max out size but the biggest concern would be the hands and feet being proportionally small and would it be possible to gain enough muscle mass to fill back out? Would having a proportionally shorter Torso mess up athletic performance? Guess with HGH testosterone and other PEDs, might be able to deal with any of the problems but it would be an issue if you gain 6 inches and can no longer fill out the frame just ending up looking skinny and frail.
I do. I think medical device companies all are now aware of the opportunity. That will bring in supplemental device and treatment modalities as well. This industry has evergreen demand (people who need discrepancy fixed or those wanting to get taller) and although controversial, that hasn't stopped companies from wanting to make money by solving some aspect of a process for a desired process
Is lengthening 5.5 cm tibia low risk? Can you walk normally unassisted within 3.5 months after the initial surgery? (1.5 months after removing fixators)
Hi Victor, thanks for brining awareness to this procedure. I just had a quick question, what do you think of the surgery center at LiveLifeTaller in Turkey. It’s seems like they are the only place in the world that has a rehab center for LL patients post surgery. I’m thinking of going there, do you think it’s safe/is the surgeon is qualified to be doing the surgery. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Yeah - the most experienced clinics all have top notch PT places with actual qualified PT's who ensure full functionality as the day walked in to get surgery.
Can you confidently walk 1 month after lengthening with non weight bearing nails when you’re 120 pounds? (And you do everything you’re supposed to do) or should you wait for the new stryde if you want to be able to walk with the nails inside of your legs for the rest of the year? Great video btw thanks
I would say wait for the new weight bearing nail. Walking on any device that can't handle the capacity of your full weight on one nail is very risky business
Can you do a video segment that focuses strictly on follow up/recovery of patients along with video proof of walking gait and walking in public among people
Yeah people will respect you more at a taller height. I have a friend who is my height - 5'4" who has never struggled dating or with work and socializing but he has to overcompensate majorly with his personality. I've just never measured up to him personality wise and i think it would be nice for people to accept me more easily so if i ever say the wrong thing here and there it doesn't rock peoples worlds.
Would you recommend a Turkish surgeon? I live in Ireland and came across your page and it’s honestly a gift but I know you got yours in the states and presumably that would be safer
Hmmm when picking a surgeon you want to factor in experience to avoid complications and to perform surgery properly. I feel we should discuss this. Shoot me an email
How long until you pass out from the general anaesthesia pre-surgery? Is it like 2 minutes? Do I feel a thing while I'm under general anesthesia. I really want to be sure.❤.
Hey I was concerned about going under more than the surgery itself. I understand you. I remember the anesthesiologist came over to me and said, “I’m going to give you something to relax you.” She administered whatever meds and I was out within 90 seconds. I woke up with the nails in my legs. It’s been 2 years and 2 months since my surgery and I would do it again
Just why??? just they don't get better than usa doesn't mean if the USA has the better place than turkey then it will have better at everything I have read on Google comment review about Dr paley LL they say this place is a bad place to visit, they don't care me after the surgery it does and much more bla 5, you can check and see. everywhere in the world's has the risk actually even if you has the best place in the world's the things is that you need to choice and decided which one has the lowest and very less risky in LL surgery I say that because afa limb lengthening seems to be affective in turkey as well as the cheaper price I am not saying the most place in the turkey but afa I see it seems one of those I looking for......
would you say he had such recovery and athleticism because he was in his early 20s? or if he was in mid or late 20s he would recover same ways if all the factors were same?
Very good question. I would say a lot is due to age but patients are also recovering well even twice his age. I think it was good surgeon, good PT compliance, and then age helped with the speed of time to feet etc.
@@Heheha329 I'm 172cm and I can say there's a clear difference in how people view and treat me and someone 8cm shorter than me. He could become 176cm with quadrilateral without really pushing past the safe limits. Huge difference for sure.
No not usually recommended for safety. A muscle contracture is likely at the knee and or hip if you do femurs that much. And when done in tibia (recently heard about a patient that did 10cm tibia) - severe ballerina foot needing gastro-soleus recession and achilles tendon lengthening.
It definitely did. I don't know if the mods changed anything. It was super detailed. In fact if you read all of his recent notes you'll get your answer
I can't imagine not being able to squat for 6 months to a year or run on the treadmill let alone slowly walking up stairs. Also if you have a girlfriend what happens to love life during those healing months you can't put it down the way you are supposed to for a while I imagine.
What do you want me to do lol? Force him to put a picture out there for everyone to see? This isn’t the clinic online that somehow entices all its patients to show before and after. This kid values his discretion. Would you showcase your before and after?
Anyone who has a channel where they document this journey in full? Possibly someone who has undergone at least a couple years recovery? Always find shotty filming and unreliable progress, leading me to believe that people aren’t truly recovering as they would like us to believe.
Just wait till you see the LL documentary I'm working on with Rich Rotella that we're filming at the Paley Institute. He also has hit very close to full recovery - running, jumping, dancing and working out. It's in 4k and whole thing is quality. Should be out next year ; )
Thanks! Yeah that’s the goal. Rich and I spoke today. We’re planning to film his nail removal mid December then start talks with streaming services soon after. He’s the mastermind behind all the Hollywood stuff 😅
I went through this surgery with a fully weight bearing nail. I find this story hard to believe and it’s either full of exaggerations or outright lies.
That’s awesome man. But I’m not exaggerating or lying at all I’m just reporting the facts from his journal in the discord. There were a few who healed their bones fast but only a few who walked normally so fast and none as athletic as him that I’ve come across in the hundreds of stature patients I’ve talked to. He’s just different
@@Cyborg4Life Victor, I would never accuse you of lying. You’re a big reason I went through with my surgery. I am forever thankful for your content. You’ve always been very honest about this process. What I am saying is I’m not sure this patient is telling you the truth about his recovery. I know you’re the messenger and I’m definitely not accusing you of anything. I appreciate all you are doing for the LL community.
@@scottsanett I feel great. I was fortunate to not suffer any complications really. I would go through this surgery again without hesitation. I lengthened 6.5cm using a full-weight bearing nail. I didn’t feel 95% or better until about 60 days after I got the nails removed @17 months. I felt around 90% recovered by 12-15 months. There are just so many little things you have to regain….mainly strength. Here’s the deal…As you go through the healing process you’ll believe you’re more recovered than you are. For example I may have thought I was 70% or 80% recovered @6 months because I went from broken legs to slowly running/walking without aids. As I slowly regained my athleticism over the next 6 months (7-12 month mark) I realized I was not 70%-80% healed when I thought was previously. I overestimated it. Does this make sense? This is a common mistake people make when assessing their recovery progress.
@@rockyroad8442 Thanks - makes perfect sense. I'm planning to do both femur and tibia to lengthen 4 inches in total when the precise full weight-bearing nail comes out. Glad to know that you're doing well!
I know my question might be a bit strange, I'm just curious if undergoing LL surgery would affect our reproduction? I mean, let's say I want to start a family and hope to have children with my wife. Will this surgery affect it? Thanks
He’s planning mail removal soon. That’s probably why he dropped back in discord to update. Most fully recovered patients will come back only when they think about it otherwise they’re fully invested in their new life. He can only get better when nails are removed by starting martial arts and parkour
As mentioned just the messenger here lol. He wrote detailed updates and I just summarized his overall experience for this video. I’ve seen around 5 patients out of several walk in under 5 months with p2 but normally usually was 6 months he just seemed to be an extreme outlier
This has to be the most important procedure for men in the history of cosmetic surgery
Fr
Once i come up w the money im doing it
@@cheesstick3108I started a business to fund my house and my legs the price is going up again next year the more popular it is. Paying my 5k at the end of the year to lock in the price.
@@cheesstick3108Uss bro!🤝
@@cheesstick3108same
He's fortunate to have gotten it done so young.
I would appreciate more information about his stretching routine
You can join the discord and ask him. But he said he did lots of preparation before surgery. Here's a good free resource...cyborg4life.com/secrets - look for road to resurgence
I love your videos. Its such a niche topic but so interesting and you share alot of helpful info
Thank you!
I needed this.
Thank you
I thought we were actually going to see evidence of his regained athleticism
He never posted any pics or video for anonymity-sake. Hopefully we will have more like him and get some footage to share ; )
@@Cyborg4Life So technically it could all be made up? lol that would be hilarious.
yepppppppp, pretty lame
@@davidekero4526 no it's not lol. This is typical especially of patients who go to clinics where their privacy is respected unlike some clinics you see online that are creating complications to the unbeknownst prospective patients. You can simply join the discord and message Julius if you'd like. The many patients that have sent me content are not comfortable with it being publicly displayed. I'm sure you might be similar if you got it done. Not everyone gets paid to do a patient testimonial ; )
Whose was his surgeon ?
Thank you so much for this video, very inspirational
finally a normal cyborg for life video
Yeah sorry for the sabbatical. Finally got back to decent routine. Should see regular posts again!
Another excellent video! This is great anecdotal evidence for what I believe which is you will benefit from LL even if you are around average height. There is a ton of debate on the LL forum on LL at heights like 5’9” and whether it is beneficial. I believe it is. It may not be as beneficial as lengthening from short (5’5 ish) to becoming average. But if you are below 5’11 to 6’ I think getting an extra 2 to 3 inches is going to still have a massive benefit. I’m 5’9” and in my experience most women would find you significantly more attractive with a couple more inches. Also general perception of tall people is that they are more charismatic, confident and better leaders.
What do you think Vic? Would LL still provide substantial benefits starting from an average height?
I do. I have spoken to a significant (majority) of patients who were 5'7 --> 5'9 starting and went up 2-3 inches. I think the ones who are over 6ft may not see a tremendous external public response but may still notice it themselves which is what matters at the end of the day
women don't care about 2 inches in your height
A non weight bearing nail, you mean precice2 right?
I need about 4 cm in one leg (discrepancy). Is it possible to weight bare? What's expected in terms of recovery, time to being able to walk without assistance?
Welcome to my world! No not with the precice 2. You'll have to use crutches for a while. But they have a new nail coming out around valentines day - unless they get delayed yet again smh. I know it could be worth it for many.
Victor thanks for being so inspiring and supportive...
#cyborg_forever ❤
Thanks so much!
I'm at 6ft and always thought about limb lengthening on all 8 points to max out size but the biggest concern would be the hands and feet being proportionally small and would it be possible to gain enough muscle mass to fill back out? Would having a proportionally shorter Torso mess up athletic performance? Guess with HGH testosterone and other PEDs, might be able to deal with any of the problems but it would be an issue if you gain 6 inches and can no longer fill out the frame just ending up looking skinny and frail.
Do you see this suergry in the future having better technoloy and a faster healing process?
I do. I think medical device companies all are now aware of the opportunity. That will bring in supplemental device and treatment modalities as well. This industry has evergreen demand (people who need discrepancy fixed or those wanting to get taller) and although controversial, that hasn't stopped companies from wanting to make money by solving some aspect of a process for a desired process
Is lengthening 5.5 cm tibia low risk?
Can you walk normally unassisted within 3.5 months after the initial surgery? (1.5 months after removing fixators)
Can't say it's low risk as that's a lot of length on the tibia but these are good questions for a surgeon who uses such devices
Awesome!
Can you say Which doctor did his surgery?
It is in his notes in the discord. I don't want to give too much info about him publicly
were you able to get the notes? I can't find them
never mind got it and it is the doctor I thought.
actually that is the one I was already thinking on going to, better to go with he one with more experience
Hi Victor, thanks for brining awareness to this procedure. I just had a quick question, what do you think of the surgery center at LiveLifeTaller in Turkey.
It’s seems like they are the only place in the world that has a rehab center for LL patients post surgery.
I’m thinking of going there, do you think it’s safe/is the surgeon is qualified to be doing the surgery.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Almost every other place has post-rehab centers. That's part of the lengthening process.
that clinic has a bad reputation
@@jacktherebel2206 what are some others that have a rehab center as well?
@@JJ-fb2lp which do you recommend?
Yeah - the most experienced clinics all have top notch PT places with actual qualified PT's who ensure full functionality as the day walked in to get surgery.
Can you confidently walk 1 month after lengthening with non weight bearing nails when you’re 120 pounds? (And you do everything you’re supposed to do) or should you wait for the new stryde if you want to be able to walk with the nails inside of your legs for the rest of the year? Great video btw thanks
I would say wait for the new weight bearing nail. Walking on any device that can't handle the capacity of your full weight on one nail is very risky business
Good video.
Hey Victor, what equipments or supplements did he use to assist with his bone growth during and after lengthening ?
Have some good stuff coming on that
Your Discord link expired to join. How do I get a fresh link?
Can you do a video segment that focuses strictly on follow up/recovery of patients along with video proof of walking gait and walking in public among people
@victor-- where did he do his surgery ,with which surgeon? I hear most surgeons recommend to stsy in wheelchairs for atleast 3 months ..
Yeah people will respect you more at a taller height. I have a friend who is my height - 5'4" who has never struggled dating or with work and socializing but he has to overcompensate majorly with his personality. I've just never measured up to him personality wise and i think it would be nice for people to accept me more easily so if i ever say the wrong thing here and there it doesn't rock peoples worlds.
Which clinic did he go to, to have the surgery done?
Paley
Hey viktor is there a way to know where he did it and wich doctor thank u in advance
It's in his notes in the discord. I don't want to say publicly as of now
You think I should do the surgery if I’m 176? Or I’m tall?
Hard for me to say. It's a personal choice haha
Would you recommend a Turkish surgeon? I live in Ireland and came across your page and it’s honestly a gift but I know you got yours in the states and presumably that would be safer
Hmmm when picking a surgeon you want to factor in experience to avoid complications and to perform surgery properly. I feel we should discuss this. Shoot me an email
@@Cyborg4Lifewhat’s the best email to use?
I was confident about my height until i found this procedure exists. No one talks about that.
It says the discord invite link is invalid
Sorry about that try again I updated it: discord.gg/sNdVQusU
If i were to get this how many months would i need to take off work?
Surgeons recommend for remote work at least 2-3 weeks preferably a month. But lengthening does take precedence to avoid a mishap
How long until you pass out from the general anaesthesia pre-surgery? Is it like 2 minutes? Do I feel a thing while I'm under general anesthesia. I really want to be sure.❤.
Depends on how long till they administer it but usually a min or two yeah
Under general anesthesia you'll pass out within seconds, and no you won't feel a thing. It feels like a dreamless deep sleep.
Hey I was concerned about going under more than the surgery itself. I understand you. I remember the anesthesiologist came over to me and said, “I’m going to give you something to relax you.” She administered whatever meds and I was out within 90 seconds. I woke up with the nails in my legs. It’s been 2 years and 2 months since my surgery and I would do it again
is 4 or 5 inches feasible from this surgery? I would be fine with 3 but maybe 4? And like very good recovery in maybe 2 years
In 2 surgeries possibly
What a about afa limb lengthening from Turkey? Did you know or research about that? It seems is one of the safe place in tukery if we do LL surgery
Don’t do anything in turkey…..
Just why??? just they don't get better than usa doesn't mean if the USA has the better place than turkey then it will have better at everything I have read on Google comment review about Dr paley LL they say this place is a bad place to visit, they don't care me after the surgery it does and much more bla 5, you can check and see. everywhere in the world's has the risk actually even if you has the best place in the world's the things is that you need to choice and decided which one has the lowest and very less risky in LL surgery I say that because afa limb lengthening seems to be affective in turkey as well as the cheaper price I am not saying the most place in the turkey but afa I see it seems one of those I looking for......
I say this is up to you you want to believe it or not.....
For how long fluoroscopy use limb lengthening surgery ..
I suggest finding clinic with EOS if you're worried about radiation
If you get this surgery and measure bmi do u go by height before or after getting the surgery
No it's same after but maybe a bit more after fully healed
Sorry couldn't see it in the video, what height was he before and after?
He was about 5'6ish and now 5'9 after femur lengthening
would you say he had such recovery and athleticism because he was in his early 20s? or if he was in mid or late 20s he would recover same ways if all the factors were same?
Very good question. I would say a lot is due to age but patients are also recovering well even twice his age. I think it was good surgeon, good PT compliance, and then age helped with the speed of time to feet etc.
Hey - Is your discord link still working? I tried it and it didn't work
It should work here: discord.gg/TJKGzpVjkT
Good video man, as always.
For someone who is 164cm height with a wingspan of also 164cm, would a total of 52inch look noticeably out ?
You mean in height?
@Cyborg4Life sorry I meant 5 inch
Is it even worth it if you are that small?
@@Heheha329 I'm 172cm and I can say there's a clear difference in how people view and treat me and someone 8cm shorter than me. He could become 176cm with quadrilateral without really pushing past the safe limits. Huge difference for sure.
Please tell your height before and after sir
What about running after getting this surgery?
He mentioned that in his notes that he can run. Just about to get back to Muay Thai soon and parkour
Where can we join the discord bro?
Should have a link in description
It says the link has expired when trying to go on
is 4 inches possible with one surgery ?
No not usually recommended for safety. A muscle contracture is likely at the knee and or hip if you do femurs that much. And when done in tibia (recently heard about a patient that did 10cm tibia) - severe ballerina foot needing gastro-soleus recession and achilles tendon lengthening.
Do you recommend doing 2 surgeries or just go with the 3 inches ? @@Cyborg4Life
That diary does not show that much, where did he get it done and what doctor?
It definitely did. I don't know if the mods changed anything. It was super detailed. In fact if you read all of his recent notes you'll get your answer
How are tibia fibia results over one or another
They are lengthened together and fixated via screws
I can't imagine not being able to squat for 6 months to a year or run on the treadmill let alone slowly walking up stairs. Also if you have a girlfriend what happens to love life during those healing months you can't put it down the way you are supposed to for a while I imagine.
Guess you have to tell her ahead of time or figure out a 'positional arrangement' 😂
@@Cyborg4Life😂😂😂 I’m sure there are ways
Whats is your old height and your new height ???
He was 5'6ish now 5'9 and more in shoes
What was his starting height?
5'6" ish
bro where are the pictures; atleast the "before and after" pictures will help convey the idea
What do you want me to do lol? Force him to put a picture out there for everyone to see? This isn’t the clinic online that somehow entices all its patients to show before and after. This kid values his discretion. Would you showcase your before and after?
Anyone who has a channel where they document this journey in full? Possibly someone who has undergone at least a couple years recovery?
Always find shotty filming and unreliable progress, leading me to believe that people aren’t truly recovering as they would like us to believe.
Just wait till you see the LL documentary I'm working on with Rich Rotella that we're filming at the Paley Institute. He also has hit very close to full recovery - running, jumping, dancing and working out. It's in 4k and whole thing is quality. Should be out next year ; )
@@Cyborg4Life
How old is Rich?
I mean not exactly, but 20's, 30's, 40s?
Just to get some hope for the oldies here
Upper 30's
@@Cyborg4Lifelooking forward to this. I always knew you were working on something spectacular. Hope it gets in Netflix and such!
Thanks! Yeah that’s the goal. Rich and I spoke today. We’re planning to film his nail removal mid December then start talks with streaming services soon after. He’s the mastermind behind all the Hollywood stuff 😅
Did he mention which clinic he got the procedure done?
I went through this surgery with a fully weight bearing nail. I find this story hard to believe and it’s either full of exaggerations or outright lies.
That’s awesome man. But I’m not exaggerating or lying at all I’m just reporting the facts from his journal in the discord. There were a few who healed their bones fast but only a few who walked normally so fast and none as athletic as him that I’ve come across in the hundreds of stature patients I’ve talked to. He’s just different
@@Cyborg4Life Victor, I would never accuse you of lying. You’re a big reason I went through with my surgery. I am forever thankful for your content. You’ve always been very honest about this process. What I am saying is I’m not sure this patient is telling you the truth about his recovery. I know you’re the messenger and I’m definitely not accusing you of anything. I appreciate all you are doing for the LL community.
@@rockyroad8442 How do you feel now?
@@scottsanett I feel great. I was fortunate to not suffer any complications really. I would go through this surgery again without hesitation. I lengthened 6.5cm using a full-weight bearing nail. I didn’t feel 95% or better until about 60 days after I got the nails removed @17 months. I felt around 90% recovered by 12-15 months. There are just so many little things you have to regain….mainly strength. Here’s the deal…As you go through the healing process you’ll believe you’re more recovered than you are. For example I may have thought I was 70% or 80% recovered @6 months because I went from broken legs to slowly running/walking without aids. As I slowly regained my athleticism over the next 6 months (7-12 month mark) I realized I was not 70%-80% healed when I thought was previously. I overestimated it. Does this make sense? This is a common mistake people make when assessing their recovery progress.
@@rockyroad8442 Thanks - makes perfect sense. I'm planning to do both femur and tibia to lengthen 4 inches in total when the precise full weight-bearing nail comes out. Glad to know that you're doing well!
I think his age is below 25 which helps him bone healing
But doesn't he face early consolidation
I believe that might’ve been a slight concern I can’t remember I have to go back and read but his surgeon monitored that
I wonder if he took any peds, HGH of some sort to speed up recovery
Who knows but he was young and dedicated so that was probably most important
I have seen your videos are very helpful,but you can have better opinion about this surgery.
What do you mean?
@@Cyborg4Life What is your opinion about it ?should we do if we are feeling inferior and passing our every day with overthinking.
I know my question might be a bit strange, I'm just curious if undergoing LL surgery would affect our reproduction? I mean, let's say I want to start a family and hope to have children with my wife. Will this surgery affect it? Thanks
Nope not really. Epigenetics don't impact it that much
Wait this guy is saying he’s fully recovered and he still has his nails? This story is absolutely ridiculous
He’s planning mail removal soon. That’s probably why he dropped back in discord to update. Most fully recovered patients will come back only when they think about it otherwise they’re fully invested in their new life. He can only get better when nails are removed by starting martial arts and parkour
Cyborg please let us have more Indian limb lengthening doctor videos
Not many that I can recommend besides the one I did in the past
@@Cyborg4Life. Do you mind sharing any info on doctors in Singapore if you have? Thanks
Wer will have a generation of shocked parents 😂😂😂😂😂. Between the girls and now the guys, the kids will look nothing like the parents
No way he was walking normally at 5 months after lengthening 8cm with a non-weight bearing nail. This is absurd.
As mentioned just the messenger here lol. He wrote detailed updates and I just summarized his overall experience for this video. I’ve seen around 5 patients out of several walk in under 5 months with p2 but normally usually was 6 months he just seemed to be an extreme outlier
You didnt say his height before and after 8cm
I think it was about 5'6.5" or so. I would have to go back through his Discord journal to confirm
@@Cyborg4Life Nice, he was the same height as me:)
How are you doing GJ? Recovery going well?
@@Cyborg4Life Yeah, Im almost done with the lengthening as well.(8cm)