The SECRET To Downhill Confidence
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Use those brakes!!! You'll use at least twice as much brakes in both pressure and duration riding downhill vs up. linktr.ee/GregWidmar
But the problem is if someone needs to ride downhill for a long time, then brake pads get hot and they barely work or even worse, stop working momentarily unless they cool down. Now, in such cases, what to do?
Hi Motojitsu! Which RPMs are recommended for riding on twisting roads? Could u do a video about that?
@@shaihanghani2711 Lower gear, whether it be a bike or even a car with auto transmission.
@@jimpollo Medium to low RPM if you're not in a hurry. I got the same 55 Mpg on a BMW R 18 as my friend with a Husky 701 Vitpilan.
Any effect of downhill trajectories to relationship of braking and bike chassis dynamics?
The most useful tip is to get the bike in a lower gear and use more engine braking for better control. Also saves needing to be on the brakes the whole time
Therefore avoiding brake fade by having to "use your brakes for longer" 👍
For a very long and steep downhill, I use more engine braking and less brake pads. Brake pads overheat and wear out faster when used a lot downhill. I get upset when I get behind someone riding their brakes all the way down a hill, bike or car.
Brakes are cheap! Use the brakes.
As if your brakes overheated going downhill through the twisties
For a long & steep downhill, Never use engine braking. It is better to overheat your brakes than to overheat your engines.
There are very few on-road downhills which cannot be managed with a prudent blend of engine braking and using the brakes. Extremely rare you’d blow up your engine or overheat the brakes. Certainly no reason to, anyway. Race track a different matter…
@@RiderofDeath91 it can happen.
I just started riding. My biggest barrier to actually using my bike to commute to work are 4 exits onto the highway (70 mph) 2 uphill and 2 downhill and all 4 are pretty much a big U turn. Not going to lie, it's pretty intimidating
Hey, suffering from the same issue, were you able to get improve?
@@solarstryker yeah, for starters, until you're more comfortable and competent whatever speed that exit says take that turn at, do it. Drop down to suggested speed, maintain steady throttle, tip in and turn. Downhill exits you likely won't need much throttle if any, uphill you definitely need gradual and steady throttle due to the incline and engine braking. Other than that just think of it as any other turn. Be mindful of your entry point to the turn, apex and your exit.
So simple but so useful advice. I always thought I was doing something wrong in downhill but couldn't exactly pinpoint.
Brake overheating on long downhills is a thing. It is sometimes referred to as 'fade', though the one time it happened for me, the lever felt as if the lines had been cut. Got stopped using rear brake only. Half hour later the front brake was cooled down and completely normal again.
Selecting the proper gear is also essential when riding downhill corners: I remenber being in the middle of a bend in second gear; suddenly it closed tightly becoming blind and requiring much more braking than supposed. Engine's rpm were no more than around 2000 and dropping abruptly. With the bike leaned and turning, downshifting over a gritting tarmac was no option. Fortunately, low end torque was enough to avoid stall and fall, but my heart took a few minutes to recover its normal beat. It was my fault, no excuses.
Learning how to properly trail-brake made the biggest impact on my confidence in the downhill twisties. Game-changing.
yep most impactful skilltogeberal safety and confidence i would say. AFTER line choice
I just want to say thank you for all your videos and how much they've helped. Was riding this past Saturday with a large group on the mountains going downhill and I did excellent. All the time, I was thinking of your videos of what to do while riding on the twisties. Thanks again for your instruction, I would love to take a class with you and improve my riding skills, hopefully some day
Hey LuLu, Greg is the best! Keep practicing those skills until it becomes second nature. The great aspect of riding is, the more skilled you become, the pure joy of riding soars!
@@jimgravante6497 you are absolutely right
What gear did you use when going downhill?
There is a very windy popular road nearby and if you're going downhill you can't even let off the brake. Probably a good spot to learn counter steering while braking. I think that's what scares people, you're always taught to use throttle to start decreasing the lean angle but you can't do that on this road.
Even though I'm motorcyclist already from year 1997 and that I was skeptical regarding suggestion of your channel, I must confess I found many many useful information from you. Thank you 🙏
This is really useful, thank you! Returning to riding after many years, dislike steep downhills especially when there's a sheer drop beside the road. Okay, maybe not sheer to some but I get vertigo 🥴
Agreed 100%. Once you’re accustomed to what you’ll need going downhill, it can be a fun challenge which can be handled safely! If you think you should roll on the throttle early, that’s gonna make for a major pucker factor on downhills, and maybe threaten your life.
Sometimes brakes can get a bit hot. A " spirited " run down Montezuma with a Kaw Ninja 400 was a bit much for the single disk. Got a bit spongy near the bottom.
Good video. Thanks for this! What about overheating the brakes and brake fade? Engine braking ? Any tips?
I would almost always go downhill with a closed throttle and adjust engine braking by switching gears (lower hgear - more engine breaking). I am also curious about overheating and brake fade though.
thanks for this, just went up to Mt Baldy yesterday and downhill is scary!! luckily no traffic, and all went well.
braking into a turn going downhill makes me worry if there is too much weight on the front tire, it always feels weird for me
It's ok if you don't over do it. About the only time I use the rear brake is slippery / wet surfaces or dirt.
I think this is an excellent lesson and the subject to discuss as well.
unless you're riding an automatic scooter, it will be very scary on downhill. if the brake discs overheat, the caliper wont bite anymore
Good tips but I have to say, nothing beats pulling through uphill twisties in my book. Never found a descent that touches it. 😉
Do you recommend straining the transmission in a lower gear or using more brake in a higher gear?
Engine braking in a lower gear does not strain the transmission. Engine braking generates much less torque than when you are accelerating
2 things that are fun and good practice:
Neutral / Gravity Racing. ( motor idling )
Also, a " No Brakes " drill to use the motor, only with no brakes, ( If you're not in a hurry )
Neutral / Gravity Racing. ( motor idling ) dangerous, but funny
@@redfive5123 Bicyclists do it all the time. It just requires a different technique and smooth braking skills
@@luisdetomaso2224 RE: bicycles : They do it all the time on Palomar mountain. Much safer doing it on a motorcycle and good training.
RE: Palomar: A lot of tourists with auto transmissions smoke their brakes because they don't have sense enough to shift from Drive to 2nd gear. My Escalade in 2nd , barely needed to tap brakes entering some corners
1st gear would actually slow it down too much, requiring a bit of use of the gas pedal..
Thanks for the info
Riding downhill makes me feel out of control or like I’m going too fast and I comfortably hit 160 on coast runs in this
@Motojitsu what is your technique going down wet steep hill after or during rain on a heavier bike like an adventure bike ?
Obviously it depends how steep the hill is, but my biggest issue downhill is the camber of the road in bends always slopes away from you, wheras uphill it slopes toward you, effectively requiring more lean downhill for the same speed (not that I do the same speed).
The makes no sense unless the road is cambered from either side toward the middle (which they aren't because that would collect all water in the middle of the road.
If it's cambered away from you going down then it's cambered away from you going up. No matter what you'll be leaning the same direction relative to the camber
@@TheTMschannel How can a single bend be cambered away both uphill and downhill? You're moving in the opposite direction, thus cambered away from you one way, and toward you the other.
More bends downhill camber away than uphill, just because of the direction of travel relative to the way the road is formed.
What about engine braking
Engine breaking is fine for wider curves, but the tighter the turn the most important breaking becomes.
is there any channel like motojitsu for cars and driving ?
One test I tried on a steep downhill road with many curves was to get up to the speed limit, begin to decend and shut off the engine...what an eye opener as to how much braking was needed.
But which breaks for downhill? What about steep downhill? Could you make a video about it, please?
Same as on flat ground! Rear brake is even more likely to skid traveling downhill, and going uphill the front tire is already under-loaded, so using the front brake is especially helpful to bring some of that traction back.
Is it bad to coast down a 100 yard steepish hill using engine braking the entire time? I have to go down this hill every time I ride because it’s my way home and I live in a valley so every other way down is the same way, so is there a less mechanically strenuous way to do it? I’m a new rider I’d appreciate the input
It definitely feels the safest rather than holding the clutch and feathering my brakes/clutch but I feel like I’m putting alot of wear and tear on my engine
Use the front brake
@@MotoJitsu while holding the clutch?
No
What bike are you riding in this video???
hello in my neighborhood there is this hill that is SUPER steep like a valley, in car it’s obvious you are gaining a BUNCH of speed but then it goes back up again abruptly. wort part is that it is a torn up gravel road. i need to travel this way to get to my house. how will i ever do that as a beginner and not lose control and die?
Go ride up and down it 30 times in a row, you'll figure it out.
Did you figure out how to do this, I have the same problem but don’t want to go down it yet.
How about for automatic motorcycle, aka scooter
Engine braking is the key
The key to what?
Downhill is:
- accelerate
- break
- turn
- accelerate
- etc.
There no time for engine breaking… 😁
@@SFV4 clearly u dont know how to ride.
@@SFV4 why are you having a picnic break before you turn. J/K it’s brake… but engine braking and being in the right gear will give you a lot of control going downhill. Your method only applies if you are racing down a hill.
@@rainsadventures8367 My first reply was only meant to be a joke, even if most of us riding the following coordinates do exactly that… 46°25'47.7"N 6°10'27.7"E. The straights are too short, so we don’t use engine breaking at all. It’s really: accelerate, break & turn
Which brake is better for downhill though? Front or Rear?
Front brake is best, rear brake will lock up very easily down hill.
Wow that's pretty wild for me it's the complete opposite I love going downhill the absolutely hate going uphill
u got a push bike
@@urmama54 no ... 2018 Sportster 1200 custom
And i always use the same gear speed going up to go down.
Legend!
Just live in North Dakota like me. You won’t have to deal with hills at all
I don't know why but going downhill is what I'm more comfortable with
is your clock in mph or km/h?
Pretty sure it's Mph from seeing the video.
Hi, had a question. While going downhill recently, I felt by brakes failed. I mean I wasn't getting the braking at all. Luckily I was at less speed so i downshifted and slightly used my front brakes before reaching the corner. Post that i was careful and tried multiple times with the same issue. I stopped for 5 minutes and then continued with minimal use of the brakes , but after that the brakes seemed to work fine. So my question is , what could have caused them ? Could it be the overall heat in the disc pads . Both the front and rear are discs. Or could it be the disc pads being bad . They seemed ok . Or could it be any other part failure ? Nonetheless I am getting it checked on my next visit to the service center. But wanted to know your take on it .
Sounds like your brake fluid was boiling. You are outriding your bike's brakes. Solutions include racing brake fluid, racing brake pads, or ultimately upgrading to a fork with dual front discs
@@luisdetomaso2224 Thank You, will definitely look into it ..
Try going downhill in a sidecar bike with a right turn…..gets your attention.
I go downhill in Neutral most of the time to save some fuel. 💲 😄😄
Sure, why not switch the engine off as well? Only joking 🤣
depends on the bike, maybe you can save some fuel that way if you have a carburetor. IF you have a bike with electronic fuel injection then you are actually wasting fuel going in neutral because you use fuel to keep the engine alive, meanwhile if you drive in gear you are NOT using fuel becasue engine is kept running via drivewheel and your injectors are injecting no fuel at all
So true
maybe i m weird case cuz i enjoy more the downhill than the uphill xD
to sum it up: if u ride downhill,use the brakes
lol!
Simple bike down hill riders say its more fun down hill than up hill. I guess the opposite goes for motorbikes :-)
I prefer downhill! Am I sane?
No no no … going down hill one needs to use engine braking . Mantra is to use the same gear you use to go uphill. If you are dependent just on the brakes you will over heat them leading to fade or fail