John MacArthur: The church is NOT Israel
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Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
They still will not see it
Romans 11
@@1nsaneviper2 Dispensationalism has blinded so many to the truth of God's word, which is so clear. I have spoken to many of them online and it's like talking to people in a K U L T... they have their script and can't see past it.
new creation in ..... 594 IMO nearly all denominations and today's teachers do not rightly divide the scriptures and question like Bereans. Only 1/3 of the juice will be saved. In Zech 13 it is written: In the whole land," declares the Great I Am, "two-thirds will be struck down and, per ish; yet one-third will be left in it.
This third I will bring into the mire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, `They are my people,' and they will say, `This is our Great I Am.'" Not all of, is real, will be saved only 1/3. As followers of the Son of the Great I Am, we are called to love and pray for enemies, not go along with those that go and I< ill in a blind frenzy so many of, children and babies, people who have nothing to do with what went on before. Sorry have to use code as my speech is observed. Happens so much to me, must be on to the full truth.
@@gbrsjones11 I completely understand the need for code language on here. I experience the same issue. I would also agree that so many do not rightly divide the word of truth. The so called prophecy gurus have done a good job of duping the masses. I will say that Zechariah's prophecy in ch. 13 (vss. 7-9) is not future however. It refers to what happened in 70 AD. It coincides with Matthew 24, Luke 21 & Mark 13, which all speak of the destruction of Je r usa lem. Blessings in Christ to you.
We are all Israel who believe in Yeshua Messiah...Chosen and Predestined...Indeed...❤
It was prophesied, clearly in the Old testament that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise.
Indeed... And people should read the book of revelation with regards to what Israel means. It isn't 'The Jews', quite to the contrary those saying they are Jews are something entirely different, but those from the OT will resurrect and fulfil the promise.
I think there’s a misunderstanding about what it means to be “the chosen people”. It’s not about ethnicity, it’s about being chosen to complete a task. God didn’t create a new race of people, He created a nation. They fulfilled the task when Jesus was born, now the ones who are chosen to carry out God’s plan are those who believe in Christ. That’s my understanding at this time, as I continue to study scripture objectively. The main thing people need to focus on is the core gospel message. Just my thoughts..
@@TheNationOfTexas Indeed. It was genealogical in terms of physis onto Christ. And it had also some political and social bearing. But with the crucifixion it was transposed to the spiritual and those in Christ are now 'Abraham's Seed', children of the promise. Figuratively 'God's chosen people'. And it was always about grace, not about merits.
@@TheNationOfTexas absolutely.
Galatians 3:26
Everyone needs to stop commenting until they have read Romans chapters 9-11. I’ve noticed few people discuss them together as a whole and it leads to confusion.
One side focuses on where Paul says “not all who are of Israel are Israel” and takes that to be the whole story. That’s not the whole story. Most references to Israel in those chapters are CLEARLY not referencing the church!
I don't think its quite that clear.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Maybe follow that up with Josephus? When you read the Roman wars it pairs PERFECTLY with Daniel, Revelation, and Paul.
It's not super complicated.
Romans 9: Israel's past
Romans 10: Israel's present (as Paul's writing it)
Romans 11: Israel's future
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Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24.
In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews.
Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.
Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost.
Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24.
Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church.
I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following.
"And then all Israel will be saved..."
I have heard another say the following.
"And all Israel will be saved..."
What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say?
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse.
How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future?
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.
Yes as gentiles we are grafted in, all of the church is Israel, but not all of Israel is the church. Israel = the grafted in gentiles, and the Jewish people of Israel. This doesn’t mean the Jews are saved without Christ, what it does mean, is the promises God made to Israel, He will fulfill to Israel. Prophecies and promises to Israel, are still kept to Israel.
Gal 3:28,29. Ends the debate. The Believers in the Body of Christ WIN.
Win? Win? There is no contest between Isr@9l and believers. One doesn't have to lose for the other to win. That's not Biblical. As God does not lie - - CANNOT lie - - His promises to Israel will stand forever. As God cannot lie, his promises to Christians will stand forever. These are not mutually exclusive, nor are they contradictory nor contra beneficial ideals. You need to be careful not to allow R0man-C@tholic ideals to penetrate your theology.
if we are grafted in with all the rights of sonship , would we not be Israel too, not replacing but fulfilling ?
Exactly every saint old and New Testament is Israel. This is affirmed in Romans chapter 2 this is affirmed in Romans chapter 9, and throughout scriptures. If you dig deep, this is why I do not subscribe to dispensationalism, but rather covenant theology.
If what you claim is true, Romans 11:11-31 is completely senseless and incoherent.
@@warriorpriestblog Not if you look at it from the point of them becoming part of the church, then it perfectly harmonizes with Romans chapter 2 in Romans chapter 9
@@pastoredwardramirez2519 But I don't look at it from that point of view because words mean things and authorial intent matters and Romans 11 is in the Bible.
@@warriorpriestblog oh wow after being a dispensation list seeing the truth and reform theology, you’re gonna convince me that I should go back and follow teaching that’s less than 250 years old. Holstead to what the Bible says, in spite of your interpretations.
There is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. How can one be saved if he doesn’t believe that the Son is the Messiah?
This is after the remaining Christians have been taken up from the earth. The rest of the world will worship the beast. And God will once again use Israel to display His Glory.
@erickanter4090israelites are only believers that is why there are lost tribes who didn't believe
@erickanter4090 "jews" have their own moshiach, the man of sin.
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Who is Israel? Are the Ashkenazi Eastern European Jews who have no ancestry to Jacob or Judah? They are not the chosen line of Abraham. The true line of Abraham is scattered. Jesus said, Matthew 23:38" See, your house is left to you desolate." The secular nation today of Israel is not God's chosen people.
Careful. Anyone from the old Roman empire may have *some* ancestry from 'Jacob or Judah'.
But I agree with you, having ancestors that practiced Judaism is spiritually irrelevant. What counts is, if you are in Christ.
But there is Christoid groups that don't want to accept that.
The Jewish nation is in their land and it will be where the Lord will reign, Micah 4:6-7 In that day, declares the Lord, I will assemble the lame and gather those who have been driven away and those whom I have afflicted; and the lame I will make the remnant, and those who were cast off, a strong nation; and the Lord will reign over them in Mount Zion from this time forth and forevermore.
@@amos3three941 Just that you again haven't answered the relevant question on this. Who is meant by 'Jews'/'Israel' in the text? Simply declaring people to be that won't help. NT-Text becomes very clear about this.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 the people in the text is where Jesus told them he would be ruling, time will tell!
@@amos3three941 You have to be a bit more concise, precise on this. Lots of circular arguments, equivocations and pretentious claims floating around.
A return to Judaism. The ecumenical movement is upon us and the great falling away is near.
The falling away or the Great Apostasy is here and has been for the past four years. Never before has there been apostates to the level it is at now.
The Scofield Bible poisoned christianity...
Yup
"Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? Therefore I TELL YOU THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE TAKEN WAY FROM YOU and given to a people who will produce its fruit." Matthew 21:42-43.
"They will level you to the ground- you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE TIME OF YOUR VISITATION FROM THE LORD.” Luke 19:44.
"For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. AND IF YOU BELONG TO CHRIST, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." Galatians 3:27-30.
“CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.”
Romans 10:4.
"Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses." Acts 13:38.
People better get right with Jesus and don't worship Israel
A solid AMEN. Gal 3:28,29
Worship the King of Israel.
Who in Christianity is worshipping Israel???
@@lisajones5573 I think his point might be that we ought to be Christians, worshipping God, rather than idolaters, worshipping, or bending the knee to false gods.
Some are making too much of Israel now because they are in darkness now. However after the rapture God will keep HIS promises and everlasting covenant with HIS chosen remnant of Israel
He’s neglecting to walk through the text of Romans 9 where Paul clearly teaches that true Israel has always only ever been spiritual, not according to the flesh. so the Israel of God is comprised of both old covenant and new covenant believers. This is the only way to understand. God is only having one bride, as opposed to the dispensational view which sees the Father’s bride as the nation of Israel, and Jesus’ bride as being the church
Also neglecting to mention that the passage quoted of the thirteenth passage of zec, it is clearly stated, that only one third of, the juice, will start believing in the Son of the Great I Am, whom He sent two millennia ago, the other two thirds won't and will pass away, like other unbelievers of the world in those last days. Most will follow the false son, the son of perdition.
The covenant with abraham is literally. Isreal is His firstborn. You love your first born always. Literally they will be saved and Jesus will literally set His throne in Jerusalem to reign. All eyes will see it.
clay 4616 Wrong ! Not True ! That is Not Knowing, understanding and dividing scriptures correctly. All through history, starting with the building of the golden calf, later living in captivity and accepting the false gods, like molech, by the majority of the juice, many of the juice abandoned the Great I Am and fell away, like Adam and Eve fell. And what did the Great I Am say and do about that? Even though they all were peoples, of the twelve tribes, juice, they were terminated, rooted out, in disgrace, unsaved, by the Great I Am himself, because they abandoned Him and worshipped other gods. Only ever a remnant was saved. Decision time for the juice and the world is coming, to accept the Son the Great I Am sent two millennia ago and Only those that accept the Son are saved. As the Son of the Great I Am said to the juice: I come in the father's name and you reject me, but one will come in his own name and him you will accept. Fifth chapter in john. Talking about the son of perdition ! And the ones that follow the son of perdition only because they belong to the juice are still saved ? No, as it is written in zech thirteen, 1/3 of the juice will be saved, 2/3 won't be saved. that 1/3 together with the fulness of believers in the Son, makes the whole of, is real. sorry have to use code, as the usual names often won't be posted.
I'm so glad that we have Divines like John MacArthur now who can clearly show us that the Word of God was not preserved to us infallibly and that all of our Christian ancestors literally had no idea what they were talking about. That the Word of God was not communicated to them in defiance of the words of the Prophet Isaiah and that ever since 1945 we have FINALLY had true knowledge of our relationship to Israel!
Let me explain something: if Protestants, the same Reformers who had thrown off the shackles of Papism and alien domination, had come to some idea that the Scriptures told us we were all just Goyim Slaves to Israel and we should just be grateful we're along for the ride, then they probably would've started turning on Christianity as well. Who alive today can say without blush they have the intellect and knowledge of Scripture that John Owens, Matthew Henry, John Calvin & Luther had? Yet they never believed the kind of nonsense concerning Israel that now consumes the American Christian world.
What happened? What changed?
The olive tree is hardened from part Israel until that which fills [Israel] full, of the Gentiles, be brought in. Thus shall all Israel be saved.
Exactly, Meaning the fruits that wil be collected are the ones the Isrealite planted but did not care for, so God evicted them and got in new tenders to the vine. That parable isn't there just to be cute.
@@jakeroon With the New Covenant, Christ regenerated the house of Israel- something that had to happen because the covenant of Levi was broken by the chief priests who told Pilate "We have no king but Caesar". Thus Christ and His disciples became the "new tender" who began grafting branches from the wild (divorced) olive tree into the good olive tree.
@@SpeculativeEschatologist Amen to that. Those new Tenders being the Christain church. Led by the Apostels and our High priest in the order of Malkizedek.
They promises were filled in Christ,it was the remnant and the church,all of Israel
The existence of earthly Israel served no other purpose than to prepare for the Messiah's arrival, who had to descend from a specific lineage.
Thankfully, Abraham was humble enough for God to select him for this role. Just as the Apostle Paul said, everything in the Old Testament foreshadowed what was to come, including earthly Israel. Christians should abandon the erroneous notion of a "chosen race or ethnicity" that places one people above others.
Before God, there is no superior race or ethnicity. God shows no favoritism; instead, whoever fears and acts righteously in every nation is accepted by Him.
There’s no superiority or favoritism in the discussion. I don’t know where you got that from.
Read Romans chapters 9-11. I’ve noticed few people discuss them together as a whole and it leads to confusion.
One side focuses on where Paul says “not all who are of Israel are Israel” and takes that to be the whole story. That’s not the whole story. Most references to Israel in those chapters are CLEARLY not referencing the church!
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body?
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Hello!! Say it LOUD for those left behind - I mean in the back. 🙌🏼✝️
Too long didn’t read.
I’ve come here to learn. This helped a lot - thanks
Would you call owning four half million dollar homes, being prosperous. Sorry we have homeless people, and this guy needs four. What is wrong in our society.
There are people in the Bible who are godly/ saved and wealthy. Consider Job! After all I seen John MacArthurs global ministry do and how many people they help and reach, It appears he’s doing just fine. By the way, you don’t know what he gives, how much he donates, or who he helps in private. He’s not one to let his left hand know what his right hand is doing.
@@silviap9945 let's consider Job. Read it, many times. So what are your thoughts, on the book of Job
Curious how JMac would exegete Eph. 2:14-22. "...who made both groups into one...so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man...in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord..." NASB.
From his study Bible notes:
Eph. 2:14 he himself. This emphatically indicates that Jesus alone is the believer’s source of peace (cf. Isa. 9:6). the dividing wall. This alludes to a wall in the temple that partitioned off the Court of the Gentiles from the areas accessible only to Jews. Paul referred to that wall as symbolic of the social, religious, and spiritual separation that kept Jews and Gentiles apart.
15 one new man. Christ does not exclude anyone who comes to him, and those who are his are not spiritually distinct from one another. “New” translates a Greek word that refers to something completely unlike what it was before. It refers to being different in kind and quality. Spiritually, a new person in Christ is no longer Jew or Gentile, only Christian (cf. Rom. 10:12-13; Gal. 3:28).
Eph. 2:16 reconcile us both to God. As Jews and Gentiles are brought to God through Christ Jesus, they are brought together with each other. This was accomplished by the cross, where Jesus became a curse (Gal. 3:10-13), taking God’s wrath so that divine justice was satisfied and reconciliation with God became a reality (see notes on 2 Cor. 5:19-21). For more on reconciliation, see Rom. 5:8-10 and Col. 1:19-23.
17 far off and . . . near. That is to Gentiles and Jews alike.
Eph. 2:19 fellow citizens with the saints. God’s kingdom is made up of the people from all time who have trusted in him. There are no strangers, foreigners, or second-class citizens there (cf. Phil. 3:20). of the household of God. Redeemed sinners not only become heavenly citizens but also members of God’s own family. The Father bestows on believers the same infinite love he gives his Son.
Hey John. Cool thing is I flew 777's for 13 years. Great airplane! I'm not sure what your after saying as your copy-and-paste seem to support my assertion. If this is from his study bible then he seems to be arguing against the position he articulated in the interview. I love Jmac, but he needs to keep his theology consistent.
@@greganderson5981 I’m not after anything. You said you’d be interested so I was just trying to be nice.
My apologies John. I appreciate you taking the time to share the information with me as well as correcting me regarding the nature of your response. Take care brother.@@JohnGodwin777
@@JohnGodwin777except vv14-15 isn't talking about the separation between the court of the gentiles but "the Law of Commandments expressed in ordinances". It was the Old Covenant - made strictly with ancient Israel - that was "the wall of hostility". John would do well to reread verse 12.
New Testament writers cited these Old Testament passages referring to the renewed Israel in the Messiah Jesus.
Paul in Romans just got through making the point that because you are of physical decent from Abraham doesn’t mean that you are a jew, it’s if you have the faith of Abraham that makes you a jew or Israel! It’s not the son born in the natural way who is the heir, it’s the son born in the supernatural way that is the heir! Why would Paul change his mind and then say that all Israel will be saved means that all the naturally born descendants of Abraham are Israel? Israel is all those who the Father has given to Christ from the beginning till He returns on the last day!! Hence in Galatians 6 Paul uses the term “ the Israel of God”, which is the church!! The nation of Israel has been rejected, read the parables of the vineyard and of the banquet. Yes, there is a remnant just as there was in Pauls day! He used himself as an example! He also said he made alot out of his position as the apostle to the Gentiles in order to make jealous his fellow jews so that he might save some of them not all of them! God is saving through Jesus a people for His own possession out of every nation, people, tribe and tongue. This people, are the Israel of God!
Being a Jew inwardly is ch 2. Read ch 11. You can't deny Paul is referring to the nation Israel. V. 7 and 11 are unmistakable. You cannot put a different meaning to those words.
Israel as a nation will be saved as a nation at Armageddon or all the prophets are wrong. But they are not wrong. You are.
You don't get it because your erroneous eschatology is throwing you off. All Israel is saved at Armageddon.
There is salvation in Jesus Christ alone. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him. Jesus is that promised seed of Abraham and to all those who believe on Him. It is by our faith in Jesus Christ that we are the children of Abraham.
Exactly
Romans 11:11 clearly says what he is saying.
This is what finally woke me up to false teaching of the protestant tradition. Thanks ☦️
Question are you Orthodox Christian... ? Just curious
@@ChristianOrthodoxy in the process.
Not all protestants believe this. He is a dispensationalist. RC Sproul for example, believed convenant theology or reformed theology.
@@Keimi That's the whole point he's making is that (you') pick and choose what you want and like, rather that accept the whole' fullness of Truth that the Church has. That makes you a Protestant and a heretic' and a schismatic" sectarian. It's all man-made sectarian division.'
Romans 9 & 11 are pretty clear that Palestine Israel is no longer grafted in but will eventually be restored in some way. We are not told what that restoration looks like. Jesus also says in Matt. 23:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed." God still has a heart for the Jews and is setting aside a remnant of them for his own. In fact there are probably millions of ethnic Jews around the world who have become Christians. It is also NOT our place as believers to use any of this as an excuse for sin, hatred or anti-Semitic behavior and beliefs.
According to Christian theology Jesus was killed by the Jews research 'christ killers' even though I totally disagree with that as I am a Muslim and don't believe in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Jews also believe that Jesus was a criminal revolutionary and that Mary was a prostitute that slept around. As a Muslim this is deeply offensive to me as Jesus is our prophet and we believe Mary was one of the greatest women of mankind. Interestingly you cannot insult Jesus or Mary in Muslim countries its blasphemy and you'll loose your life at any attempt of doing so. Despite all of this it bewilders me to find out the Hate Christians have for us Muslims and they love Israel and the Jews. Furthermore historically Jesus was Palestinian born in Bethlehem. Where's bethelhem you might ask? Take a guess: its in the west bank which is occupied Palestine. Let that sink in for a bit. In your severe hate for Islam as Christians you have lost your minds in the process. Jews absolutely despise Christians. We Muslims don't and we do share the common love of Jesus and Mary. I hope you misguided Christians awakens and take heed before it's too late.
I'm curious how this view handles converts who have joined the Jewish people (עם ישראל). In Jewish belief, the convert is just as Jewish and as much a member of the Jewish people as any other Jew and to be treated as such. Would this view, in contrast to Jewish belief, try to distinguish between genetic descendants of Jewish converts and genetic descendants of Jacob? Whose definition of the Jewish people is being used? Do we gain by joining the Jewish people via conversion and then one day embracing the Messiah at his appearance?
Read Romans 11 !!! It answers to the detail about how we as Christian’s were grafted into the original tree of life because of their disbelief, but not to become arrogant, because the original branches are going to be called back to the tree of life, and we are to cause them to be jealous of our relationship with God so they will desire Him. Jews will be grafted back in!!! Jesus fulfilled the law, but he did not do away with his promises to his people. He will keep every one of them.
"Israel" is the name God gave to Jacob, a man born of Isaac, who was born of Abraham, the Assyrian. They are believers in God's promise. Not all Israel the nation is "Israel." God's promises are to believers in the promise of God in Christ, the Holy One of all believers, before His death and resurrection and after this work of fulfillment of the Everlasting Covenant. Genetics play no part in whom God calls and chooses. It is a "mystery." Believers are the elect who gather together to be revived by the Gospel for continuing on with their wrestling with their flesh, the sin-principle that remains with us until we die.
Well-put
God scattered literal national ethnic Israel just as he said he would. God regathered national ethnic territorial Israel just as he said he would. It is only logical their future salvation is just as literal as the other two fulfilled promises.
The covenant God made to Israel will stand! How absurd to ever think otherwise! Yes Pastor John spot on!
New Covenant means New Israel and New Jerusalem. If God declares something "new" it means the "old" is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). God never keeps the New with the Old!
Covenants are only in effect if both parties keep the covenant! Has the nation of Israel ever kept a covenant? No! That’s why in the parable of the vineyard they are rejected! The kingdom has been given to others. Those who have the faith of Abraham
It’s why God made a new covenant through Jeremiah 31:31. And we know this new covenant was put into effect by the blood of Christ. Because the reason for a new covenant was because the jews broke the old covenant. It’s like Paul says that Christians are the true circumcised not by the removal of flesh by the hands of men but by the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit. Those who believe are the Israel of God!
The Church is Israel lel. There are promises for ethnic Israel but not the state Israel. And there are not two brides...
No israel is the wife then the church is the bride.
Israel is ex-wife; divorced in 70 AD
Jesus is that promise ❤
It’s having Abraham’s faith that saves, not Abraham’s DNA!!
Paul never said..."All Israel will be saved." Leaving out one little word changes the meaning of the verse and is a corruption of God's Word.
Based on John 19:37 and Acts chapter 2, Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Calvary and on the Day of Pentecost. Based on what Paul said about Christ returning "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, there is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the Bible. All races of people need to hear the New Covenant Gospel now before it is too late for them.
Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24.
In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews.
Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.
Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost.
Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24.
Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church.
I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following.
"And then all Israel will be saved..."
I have heard another say the following.
"And all Israel will be saved..."
What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say?
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse.
How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future?
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.
Doesn't the word "so" mean "in this manner"? ("and so all Israel will be saved"). I don't believe Paul was referring to a "plan B," either.
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You are correct. The word "so" is an adverb of manner. However, Dr. MacArthur is trying to change the word to "then", which is an adverb of timing.
Like many others, MacArthur is trying to use Zech. 12:10 to claim a future salvation for the "nation" of Israel. The word in Romans 9:27 is "remnant", instead of "nation". What is wrong with MacArthur's idea. Based on John 19:37, the "piercing" in Zech. 12:10 was fulfilled at Calvary and the Spirit was poured out in Jerusalem a few weeks later on the Day of Pentecost. MacArthur's attempts to separate Israel and the Church are revealed to be in error by the article below.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Thank you for your reply. I will definitely study this further.
@@SpotterVideo brilliant bit of exegesis and can not find a single problem....than you Spotter
God said....present Church is The Beast.
There is no special place for a fleshly nation of Israel anymore. That was Kaput from the time of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus the Messiah. There is one Nation of Believers.
What is the redemptive plan of a future millennium? Is it the sacrifices of Eze. 45:17? Are they sacrificing lambs to the Lamb?
It is amazing how far we can stray from what scripture describes is being grafted in and being a bride of Christ so based on what John MacArthur has just said, it sounds to me like the grafting doesn’t have the significance that it’s plain language expresses. And it also says that, the church may be the bride of Christ but the Jewish nation God called his bride in the Old Testament, and he tried to be a husband to them, and he gives us example after example in Josea in the minor profits about how Israel played the harlot and broke his heart Yeah you read that right? They broke God‘s heart. The 10 Commandments were given to Moses as a ketubah, or wedding contract. And to reject the Torah, the law is to reject God’s desire to be one with us as a husband is with a wife. In the kingdom, the church and Israel are synonymous. And the sooner Christians get that through their thick, hardened heart and skull, the happier, they will be at peace with God.
Except for the fact the Bible says plainly the church is Israel (the promised offspring of Abraham).
-For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
-And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
-For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Right now elect believers are the true Israel but at Armageddon the entire nation of Israel will be saved
John MacArthur is gaslighting with his characterization of the interviewer’s question as “supercessionism”. John MacArthur gives a definition of “supercesssionism”, and it’s clearly not what the interview said. Israel has not been replaced by the Church; they are one in the same entity now in Christ. One tree, with the same roots, but some branches grafted in and some broken off. Yes, a remnant of faith-filled Jews will be grafted back in after the “time of the gentiles”. All this is in Romans 11, Galatians 3, Ephesians 2:11-22, etc.
But the branches are different, yes? One is natural and one is wild?
Almost like one body with different parts, right?
No-one will be added to the Olive Tree (ethnic Jew or ethnic Gentiles) after the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Because the "All Israel is saved" by the fullness of the Gentiles coming in. Therefore, the fullness of the Gentiles coming in ends the process of all Israel getting saved, not begins it!
@@crazydavey2 This is false because the Gentiles are not Israel and because Romans 11:23-24 is in the Bible.
@@warriorpriestblog Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)- 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, EXCLUDED FROM CITIZENSHIP IN ISRAEL and FOREIGNERS to the covenants of the promise.... Consequently, you are NO LONGER FOREIGNERS AND STRANGERS, BUT FELLOW-CITIZENS with God’s people and also members of his household.
Fellow-citizens? Of what nation? The Israel of God. Fellow-citizens with who? God's people (the Israel that is Israel, not the Israel that is not Israel- Romans 9:6). We are now members of the household of God! What household? The house of Israel and Judah (Hebrews 8:8)!
@@warriorpriestblog It doesn't say when God would graft them back in, or that God will definitely do it. Believing that God will do it after the rapture and 1st resurrection of the Church (if God even chooses to do so) is an assumption. Why can't God graft them back in beforehand?
In revelation there are 12 gates in the New Jerusalem with each
tribes name listed above it, and an angel guarding each gate to make
sure only the member of the tribe can get in. It is physically impossible
to enter New Jerusalem unless you go through one of these gates.
John MacArthur said the church is not Israel, and if this is the
case then John MacArthur cannot physically enter New Jerusalem
because the angels won't let him in.
This is why gentiles are grafted into Israel, Christianity has never understood this.
Please quote the exact passage where it says only members of a specific tribe will enter. It's not there. You're superimposing a view on Scripture.
I watch fundies like this and really, it's like watching somebody walk through a junkyard and scavenging bits and pieces to make up some crappy old jalopy to a design he personally likes. It may suit his personality and individual quirks, but it's not a reliable piece of engineering.
Ephesians 2:13-22
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [14] For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility [15] by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, [16] and might reconcile us both to God IN ONE BODY through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. [17] And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. [18] For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. [19] So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [20] built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, [21] in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. [22] In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
It’s nice to have these discussions. We can disagree but we are all one in the faith
“We can disagree about 99% of theology but we are one in the faith” 🤡
We believers should only come to one theology if we are one! Are you saying Yah gave two laws to two different assemblies? Come on! The only reason you believe there are two different entities is because someone taught you that!
Here's the problem, most people who agree with the overarching concepts of Dispensationalism (hate the name, tbh) still view those who whole to a Covenant Theology view as believers... the inverse is not true. There are many CT's who claim a consistent application of a Grammatical/Historical hermeneutic and a belief in a future for Israel with unfulfilled promises are false teachers, introducing dangerous heresies. One side is much more gracious than the other.
@@hippios How is it that I know that you're a CT without you actually saying it...?
@@TimGomes-vb2jz what’s a CT
I respectfully disagree with Pastor John. The church is the fullness of the covenant and includes both Jew and Gentile. One people of God in Christ.
"...we get in trouble when we superimpose systems over the text..." - John MacArthur
“[We are to] put doctrine into [the Scriptures] and see if it survives.” - John MacArthur
Well, which is it, J-Mac???? By putting the doctrines of Man into the text to "see if it survives", you are "superimpos[-ing] systems over the text." J-Mac does so when it suits him and calls out others when they do it.
The nation of Israel broke the covenant God made with them; Jeremiah 31:31. So God made a new covenant, a covenant of grace. This new covenant was put into effect by the blood of Jesus Christ. When John MacArthur quotes the old testament passage of them looking on him who they have pierced, he misuses it because that prophecy was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified and was quoted by the writers of the gospels. John 19:37! But as the case seems to be some teachers add double meaning to prophecy. Oh yes it was fulfilled then but there is a greater fulfillment of it in the future! Just like the abomination of desolation that was fulfilled in 70ad some say there is an even greater fulfillment in the future! I don’t think so! The nation of Israel was rejected because of their disobedience. Read the parables of the vineyard ( luke 20:9-18) and the banquet ( luke 14:16-24)Jesus says in lukes gospel ( 21:20-24) ( 19:41-44). Abomination of desolation has taken place already! Some twist scripture to fit their premillennial narrative. Which includes a pre trib rapture. They say once the church is out of here then God saves the nation of Israel! My bible says that at the return of Christ the end comes (1 Cor. 15). Listen, if you belong to Christ and you study the word of God like we are commanded to you will see the truth. Problem is; too many take for granted that certain false doctrines are true because some world known bible teacher tells them something. We are warned over and over that there will be false teachers telling people what their itching ears want to hear! I suggest that you read through the entire new testament and write down every verse that specifically states that jesus is going to remove the church before a tribulation. When you are finished you will notice that you never wrote down anything. But also write down every verse that says jesus will return and raise up all that the father has given him on the last day and you will notice there were a number of verses that state that. But most professing believers don’t study
Ephraim's descendants were prophesied to becomes the melo hagoyim, fullness of the nations or fullness of the gentiles, in Genesis 48:19. As the son of Joseph he got the birthright (1 Chronicles 5:1), though Judah received the scepter and the chief came from among him. In Deuteronomy 29-30 God lays out the blessings and curses, saying that if you disobey I will drive you from the land and scatter you from one end of the earth to the other, but wherever you are, if you repent and turn to God, he will regather you. After Solomon, because of Solomon's disobedience, God tore the Kingdom from Solomon's son, and left him only one tribe, the tribe of Benjamin. Therefore the House of Israel, the ten northern tribes, rebelled against Judah, and were led by mostly Ephraimite kings. In Hosea God divorced Israel, made them "Not my People" and showed the "No Mercy" but he did show mercy to Judah. In Jeremiah 3 it says God divorced Israel. He scattered them among the nations via Assyria, from one end of the earth to the other. Now he's regathering them from among all the nations. Judah however returned from their exile in Babylon. This is why Paul quote Hosea in Romans 9. This is why he alludes to Deuteronomy 30 in Romans 10, and why he alludes to Genesis 48:19 in ch. 11. In Ezra it says it was the sons of Judah, the sons of Benjamin and the sons of Levi, those who had been carried away by Nebuchadnezzer who returned. The Jews are not "all Israel" they are only the House of Judah. One day the Jews will be grafted back in again and all Israel will be saved.
So can I ask why the orthodox jews spit on the belief of Jesus..? Just wondering why .. I can't see how god would find in favor of somebody spitting on his son that That he sent for our salvation...and even if they don't believe so. Is it godly to cast judgment?or I'm just confused why they would do such a thing... Why don't The ultra-orthodox Jewish people believe in Jesus? And why did they think it's okay to spit on people.
Does that not go against god's ideology? Thou shall not judge? Yet they value non godly things? I'm just very confused on this .. godly people being ungodly.. seems like the devil Incarnate to me .. he is the alpha and omega.. what's not to understand?
haha even after killing the messiah?
This isn’t for those of you who have the final word on the subject of Gods decrees, ok…For those of you who would like more understanding on the subject of Israel in Romans I offer a foundational study by John Murray on the epistle. If you haven’t studied this seminal work I’d be silent and steal away ;read it and see if it opens your understanding. Not only will you get a lesson in methodology of principles of interpretation, hermeneutics, you’ll learn some humility too. Everyone is a theologian in their own mind until they humble themselves and do the work of reading the guys who were called to do the heavy lifting in the original languages. If you still think ‘open my eyes to behold wonderful things out of your law’ only means , reading the Bible and serving yourself plates of self interpretative explanations that serve your preconceived notions doing a deep dive into classic works like Murray’s Romans is not for you.
Spoken like a true Augustinian. I don't need anyone to understand the Bible. I have the Helper already. Rom 11:7,11 are non negotiable. Paul is talking about the nation Israel without any doubt whatsoever. Israel will be saved after Armageddon
John Piper, have you ever thought that if evangelical prolife “leaders” like yourself had rallied around Trump in 2020 and given him credit for his achievements regarding abortion and such he wouldn’t be waffling now? In a way I don’t blame him. He did everything that was demanded of him by the prolife community, and what did he get? Pure, unadulterated hate. Thanks, Piper, for your sterling work in creating enemies and division. You must be so proud.
The church is Abraham's seed.
Revelation 2:9
jm is twisting the bible
How can that which a Prophet writes n scripture not be considered Prophecy......???
Wow...wht new wine is this.
I do not know what interpretation of the Bible is correct, but it is evident to me this is a real proud individual. He knows it all. He probably knows more than God. I shy away from such wickedness.
I think you might be right... 🙏🙏❤️
Gen 48:19, Jer. 31:27 and others refute JMs understanding.
How does one determine if they are of the house of judah or the house of israel. Anyone can make that claim. Test and prove ALL THINGS.
Whew!! Just as well we don't make the decision. 2Tim. 2.19 The Lord knows them who are his. The only criteria stipulated by Paul is "let EVERYONE who nameth the name of Christ (Jew Gentile or Church) depart from evil."
A completely wrong understanding of the text!
Wrong again.... Israel of today is not Israel.... read St Paul
We have. And we agree with Paul...you're wrong
@@JoshDub78 Go read the church fathers....
@@Durnyful The Church Fathers are the Apostles, and I have scripture.
Why do you put so much faith in dudes who allegorized whole swaths of scripture. Paul didn't do that. Jesus didn't instruct us to do that. Peter didn't do it.
McArthur has many holes in his eschatology and he’s not the perfect Bible teacher he makes himself out to be.
And we are suppose to believe you know better
YUUUP
Neither are you.
@@Plisken65 the difference is MacArthur constantly treats his interpretation of 2nd tier issues as dogma.
The Universal church that Christ established is true Israel and so Christians whether Jew or Gentile are the true people of God. All else is a misconception.
MacArthur is wrong. "All Israel shall be saved" is in reference to the elect of God regardless of race or background. So Paul is referring to the Bride of Christ, the church.
Correct the church is the bride of Christ. However Jeremiah records God referring to himself as being married to Israel. 3v14. Finally the scenes revealed in Revelation certainly makes the distinction between Israel/Jerusalem, and the marriage supper of the lamb.
@@llewpaul1146 No. We go by the epistles, and interpret everything else in light of them. Revelation is in figures: it is not literal. You need to study up on types and anti-types.
There is only one bride of Christ, for Christ is not a polygynist. And there is only one way to be part of that bride: being born again.
Dont think I agree. The Jews are not the people of God. They will come to repentance after the times of the Gentiles. The Great Commission will be fulfilled.
He’s missing the mark…
Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 that there would be a fake people who are calling themselves Jews BUT THEY ARE NOT!
Gen. 10:1-5 tells us the people he thinks are GODS chosen are the Gentiles.
GOD calls the end from the beginning…
yes...Japheth ...exactly
@@meecha59 Esau and Japheth…they’ve mixed…
The church is Israel and all in Christ will be saved
Yes this is correct. Any other view is carnal.
I believe MacArthur is mistaken on this one. The mistake people with this view make is believing that there ever was a replacement. We are Israel. Israel is God's chosen people. God's chosen people are those who follow God. God and Jesus are one and the same. The Church is Israel. It always has been and always will be. That's what I get from reading Romans and Galatians.
I agree with you
I think you have to read Romans chapter 11 on this. Romans chapter 11 clearly has three individuals separate. Paul’s audience is save the gentiles.
Paul has addressed the 7000 remnant Jews that were saved by grace that he referred to as “the elect that have obtained”
Then Paul immediately says “what of the others?” he says that the others after the remnant in national Israel are hardened in part. A partial hardening. And how long is this partial hardening?… Paul tells you… Israel is under a hardening in part UNTIL the full number of Gentiles has come in… And it is in this way that all Israel will be saved
All Israel consists of three groups that all believe or will believe in Jesus Christ for salvation
1) the 7000 remnant Jews that were set aside by God and saved by grace in Romans 11
2) the others of national Israel that were not part of the remnant that God has under a partial hardening UNTIL the full number of Gentiles has come in
3) the gentiles that were grafted into the natural tree as wild Olive branches, so as to provoke national Israel to jealousy.
These three groups make up “all Israel”
Great teaching!
If only it was true
I like John, BUT... he is wrong on this. Joshua 21:45 "all promises fulfilled" And, 1/3 (Zech) is not "All".
No sir you are wrong
As much as I love John MacArthur, this is not true. There is a trend in Christianity that exalts the nation of Israel, but it is not biblical at all. "True Israel" is the group of people who believe in Jesus. If you believe, then you are a member of God's people, that is, you belong to Israel. However, the Bible hints that the nation of Israel will turn to Jesus in the end times. Although the Bible does not say that this will be true for all Jews without exception.
I agree with you and it's my prayer for God to continue shining more revelation of His Word.
Israel is a people, still scattered. Jesus gathered the "two sticks" once already (John 12.20-24, Jeremiah 31.10, Ezekiel 11.17, Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 60). He will gather their Remnant at the end of time for all eternity. (Isaiah 11.11)
Half truth in what you state. The Jewish people are the nation of Israel and it is the chosen nation from which our father Abraham came and the blood line which God chose to bless all of man kind, we are children of Abraham by faith in Jesus Christ. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteous. Just read Galatians 3:7 know therefore that they are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. And the scriptures, foreseeing that God would bless the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. And then read Romans 9:7-8. then read Gal 3:26-29. And John 8:39, Romans 2:28`-29. Again Gal:3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham"s offspring, heirs according to promise.
@@amos3three941 I beg your pardon, you lack understanding.
It´s STILL all about the birthright which has been stolen.
Jesus called "the jews" of their father the devil. John 8.44
The disciples of Messiah were the true Isrealites, called Galileans.
"jew" is a made-up word to hide the true identity of Esau. "Gentile" is also a made-up word, concealing the Identity of Jacob-Israel.
Or do you believe that those who are anti-Christ love God? Does not God hate Esau? Malachi 1.
A Hebrew is Jacob-Israel. A "jew" is Esau, counterfeiting Jacob-Israel.
There are 10 tribes of Israel that are still scattered. Isaiah 11.11, Ezekiel 11.17, Ezekiel 37.
Paul is useless. I prefer the whole counsel of God and what Messiah has to say.
Show us in Scripture where it says Christians are the "TRUE Israel"...we'll wait.
I can show you verse after verse of God saying he has not rejected Israel. The entire point of Romans 9-10 is to explain what happens with them. And it CLEARLY states they are NOT rejected.
This is a false teaching that started because Augustine allegorized entire swaths of scripture concerning Israel. He did that because he couldn't see how these prophecy's could be fulfilled given Israel was not in the land and Jerusalem was desolate.
I agree with John MacArthur.
John MacArthur is absolutely correct on his escatalogical teaching! And listen to Todd Friel, basically laugh at him! So sad that Pastor John aligns himself with the heretical teaching, of the TULIP of reformrd theology.
The Jews did not kill Jesus, our sins did.
Paul; say s they did 1 Thess 2:14-15 and Peter in Acts 3
Well said, Pastor Macarthur!
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This video has convinced me to never buy a book by John MacArthur. Pray for everyone, that they will not be deceived by those who reject Jesus. Thank you
Are you implying that MacArthur has rejected Jesus?
@@beauchal Read First John 2:22-23 and 4:2-3. Also read Eph 2:11-22. Many preachers are on the fence or have been taught by those (or using study notes of the Bible) that work against Jesus and are extending the Old Covenant and still hoping for a Messiah.
You didn’t answer my question. Are you implying that MacArthur is not a Christian?
@@beauchal No. But I do not know who he has been taught by.
So you reject dispensational theology, which is fine. You don’t have to agree with dispensationalism (even though you can make a clear case for the distinction between Israel and the church in the OT as well as NT) to imply that he is a false prophet.
I don't expect a baptist to have much respect for the body of Christ. They simply have minimal care for the sacraments. Why would they see the church as Israel?
This is why John Mcarthur eschatology is so whack… He’s saying that the nation of Israel will come to salvation, and that’s indirect contrast to Romans chapter 9, where it says, not all of Israel is Israel. If he simply understood that Israel is the church, it harmonizes perfectly with everything else that Paul has written, especially pertaining to Romans, chapter 2, and Romans chapter 9.
But then conflicts with Romans 11. If God does not keep "everlasting" covenant with Israel then he won't keep his covenant with you either. God is a covenant keeping God, it is His nature. We blaspheme His nature to say otherwise.
@@nicolaholland1 so you think that God has two brides?
Israel is the wife of Jehovah ( God the Father), the church is the Bride of Christ
@@nicolaholland1 exactly!
@@paladinproductions881 and our God is one God, father, son and Holy Spirit so you’re still saying by side, stepping the question that God has two wives, or Wil have two wives. The church is Israel in order to enter into the kingdom of Heaven a person must be born again that includes Old Testament saints as well. So Abraham was a born believer justified by faith and therefore part of the church I think you’re also avoiding Romans chapter 2, where it says that the true Jew is one that’s been circumcised the heart which supports the church being Israel, so does Romans chapter 9 where it says it not all of Israel is Israel, but it’s children of the promise that are Israel
I love MacArthur but think he is wrong in his eschatology. The Bible is clear that not all Israel is believing Israel. True Israel is those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. There is no other way to heaven. Those who believe in Jesus will be grafted in and those who reject him will cut off.
Matt 15:24 I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Isreal.
Sounds like i would want to be part of the covents, God gave to Israel.
There are only 12 gates/entrances to the new Jerusalem, each gate with the name of the 12 tribes of Isreal. there is no gate for the Gentile church.
Please understand that covenant/10 commandments made at Horeb that was ratified by blood of goats then refreshed by Christs blood. Is NOT the covenant made at Mt Sinia that was the sacrificial law that was add because of transgression. We the lost sheep of the house of Isreal know the shepherds voice( the 10 commandments)
I went to Shepards 2023, everyone was teaching about God preserving His remnant, in old testament and continued in new testament, and then JM went off and full pretrib.....and challenge Amillennialist and the fact Amillennialism is more historical then the 200 years of Darbyism.
The Chruch is the True Israel, and if we look at history in the bible that even historically the full ethnic Israel wasnt always considered Gods people(visible Israel verse invisible Israel)
You are wrong about Romans Israel is his people not the church!
If someone would read Galations 3:28,29 it should end the debate. It starts off. "There is no longer Jew or gentle……." And ends with the children of God are the seed of Abraham and the children of Promise." Pretty simple stuff. Political Israel is nothing. The "Church" Body of Christ, is everything. I would describe Israel today as "they are of their father the devil……" John 8:44 simply unbelievers.
Read in context Is very vital .. might as well believe things some charismatics Believe
It also says there is no male or female. I guess we are all non-binary now.
Also, maybe read the entire chapter of John 8 before taking only one negative statement out of context. 🤦♀️
Mike, there are Jews in the Church and mostly gentiles. Those are the spiritual heirs of Abraham because of faith. Israel has been God’s marker of history. Israel is an elect nation not meaning saved individuals but different from all other nations. They are how we know that God is real and bringing about his purposes. This brings him glory. There are three purposes of the coming Great Tribulation: To bring judgement on the false shepherds of Israel and bring the remnant into faith in Jesus, to finalize the spread of the gospel across the earth and bring in the last of the harvest of souls, and to destroy evil. It is happening before our eyes.
I think you better read and pray over that belief, brother. God loves the Jews.
It's unbelievable to me that someone as knowledgeable as MacArthur can be so wrong on this. There is no special blessing for the ethnic nation state of Israel. There never was. The promise for special blessings was given to all nations through Abraham - Gal.3:7-9 "Those of faith are the sons of Abraham" The promises are not ultimately given to a people group; they are given to Christ, our spiritual head, or "the offspring"- Gal 3:16. For not all who descend from (ethnic)Israel are Israel- Rom 9:6-8. In Romans 11:26, when Paul says "All Israel will be saved", he is literally referring to the salvation of the Gentiles as being the fulfillment of that statement. He is not saying, "before all ethnic Israel is saved, the Gentiles have to come in." He is saying "The Gentiles coming in is the fulfillment of all true Israel being saved" True Israel, i.e. those that will believe in Christ, come from both ethnic Israel and Gentile peoples. When they are all accounted for at the end of all things, then all Israel will be saved, God's patience with the wicked will be over (2 Pet. 3:9) and he will judge the world.
The church is not Israel
God has one house, the house of Israel into which the gentiles were grafted into. Ephesians 2.
This one house IS the church. 1 Timothy 3:15
Before you respond
Read 1 Corinthians 15 and understand the difference between
Literal which is earthly natural
And
Literal which is heavenly spiritual.
Adam was earthly
Jesus was heavenly
The Jerusalem below is earthly natural
The Jerusalem ABOVE is heavenly spiritual (Hebrews 12:22)
Where we HAVE come (present)
And
Phillip Mauro
The Hope of Israel
1929
Free online.
Yes it is
This is heresy, christian heresy. Shame on him
Do you know what heresy is?
@@gigahorse1475he does not.