The Boox Go 10.3 is Weird

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  • Sorry about lawnmower sound 7 minutes in, lasts only 2 minutes. Tried Adobe's AI noise removal and it just sounded weird in a different way lol.
    The Supernote A6X shown here is not the Nomad, but the original A6X. I've tried the Nomad previously and can say it's also a great device with an improved writing feel from the original but still quite distinct from rM or Boox.
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  • @jacksonier
    @jacksonier 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I really like the "Calendar Memo" on Boox (I own Boox Note Air 3, and would get my Go 10.3 tomorrow). Boox made the recent upgrade, and has made the field for notes taking the most space of the screen, which is exactly what's needed to use that calendar app efficiently.
    Like you said "you have a lot more potential workflows with the Boox", and I would add that "if you would invest a bit of time in understanding , you'd be able to make the device work for you, this device is pretty customizable".

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's very interesting. I know it's possible I'm just wondering about the "focus" marketing & design of the Go 10.3 which has really resonated vs who the hurdles, consistent with the Note Air devices, will truly be worth it for in the end. Customizing the Android set up on my Hisense Touch Lite (equivalent to a boox palma) went well but the boox go 10.3 and functionality is of course much more complex. You make a good point, I don't want to sell boox short but did want to emphasize that for many users the path of least resistance workflow that is there with rM & SN won't be there even if the same features or better are. You could say boox is more workflow agnostic, which is not a con but can feel like a lack of support if you really connect to the immediacy built into SN & rM. I'd be much more generous if they refined their icons in particular lol, and tried to pair things down more from the upfront interface. On the other hand I've faulted SN for being a little overbearing, not allowing pencil to be used in any app other than their atelier art app, when advanced panels or something could easily be integrated into the setting for users that need them. rM I would fault as extremely overbearing and underpowered now to a fault for my uses.
      I might be coming across as a bit reactionary, there's just a pattern on TH-cam with early reviews of comparing the Go 10.3 to very different devices where the workflow/system is pretty much the core product like SN. I tried to emphasize that this stuff really comes down to the kind of person you are and making an honest assessment of it. For me and people drawn to SN it's a bit like, just because the boox can do something, will I actually consistently do it given some resistance, if my focus really is to write and maintain a planner for example. Then there's people like jvscholz and yourself where having functionality constricted by some particular company, rM or SN, is in itself a big deterrent for buying into those more predesigned "focus" systems with comparably underpowered hardware.

    • @1001legoboy
      @1001legoboy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wish there was cut and paste in this app, so I can move the data to different days…

    • @jacksonier
      @jacksonier 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @1001legoboy , there is option to efficiently copy/paste in "Notes" app of the Boox.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@1001legoboy Just tested it a bit recently. I like how direct the process is but agree I don’t think they had to constrain the writing functionality quite as much.

  • @jaredf6205
    @jaredf6205 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really want this for reading. I have a kindle oasis from 4 years ago and it’s still great, and I’ll still use it, but I just really want a big screen to read on and this seems so lightweight.

  • @gen19382
    @gen19382  วันที่ผ่านมา

    Correction: The Note Air 3 B&W though similar in many specs in fact boasts a lower screen resolution than the Go 10.3. I was confused as Boox uses a 300ppi screen (for the black & white layer) on the Note Air 3 Color but for some reason dropped the resolution on the b&w version of the Note Air 3. Apologies for the oversight, though boox should apologize too lol.

  • @davidr1431
    @davidr1431 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for your thoughts. Hard to believe they haven’t sorted that highlighter/marker yet.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you! I think there's some serious unrefinements throughout the device, as many features that they may incorporate, but it comes down to the type of user and if they are someone that seriously benefits from the qualities specifically unique to boox at the end of the hurdles with the software, like the more powerful specs and open android environment for third party apps.

    • @davidr1431
      @davidr1431 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gen19382 I love my Go. I have the Note Air 3 and prefer the Go. I had a remarkable 2 which I also rated highly but the 300 ppi for me is the icing on the cake.

  • @answersaaa
    @answersaaa 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    In short:
    Boox has a good hardware
    Boox has terribly complex software - extremely user unfriendly
    I have to agree with both

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well said, and yes unfortunately that is a very accurate summary of my experience. It’s hard to cut them too much slack when the UI/UX has been such a persistent issue, even if all the features are impressive.

  • @fibonacho
    @fibonacho 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is that their standard grey canvas folio case for the supernote? I'm debating getting that or a leatherette. Just wondering how well the canvas holds up and if it looks good in person.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Supernote shown in the video is the original A6X which I got used online so I'm not 100% on what they are selling now as the cases are different models (at least how they connect to the device is completely different, this old one has a rail that slides into the supernote, while the new one is fully magnetic). It is canvas/fabric, it's honestly a nice change of pace and has a nice tactile quality that I personally love. It has some frays on the edges from the previous user so if I had to guess (because I'm not the original owner who caused the wear, and the person I bought it from had also bought it used) I would say it doesn't hold up all that well if you want something pristine, but it feels very nice and is still fully functional. The previous owner admitted they would just toss this A6X in their bag, so it could be a care thing. Maybe check the Supernote reddit as people there are very responsive and have tried everything.

    • @fibonacho
      @fibonacho 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gen19382 Thank you for the reply! I really appreciate it. You're also the first person that has mentioned (afaik) that the Go 10.3 is a repackaged Air 3 with fewer features.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@fibonacho Thank you! I'm glad you got something out of the video. To my knowledge that's an apt comparison as from what I recall all the hardware is directly comparable, and of course it's still the same boox software. As much as the Go 10.3 has caused a lot of hype, especially due to the thin and attractive form factor, I don't imagine someone coming from a Note Air 3 (B&W) would be flabbergasted by the experience at all, except perhaps the closer to the screen writing experience if they really prioritize it. It's an engineering feat as it's marginally thinner than "the world's thinnest tablet" rM2, but whatever lol, I love my chunky A6X and don't worry about it shattering ever.

  • @freman75
    @freman75 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How's the boox Go compared to the Air note3 b&w? Thanks

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I haven't experienced any note air devices so can't say. They have close specs but the design of the Go 10.3 is quite different, and the omission of sd card slot and frontlight. A warm frontlight would be nice on the Go 10.3 I'm finding, though it would have some effect on the writing experience so there's tradeoffs. I've heard great things about the note air 3 b&w and it's running the same software on similar specs.

    • @freman75
      @freman75 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @gen19382 I like the Note air3 b&w so far, but I found the device to be a bit heavy and not as transportable as a kindle. The navigation is slow and the resolution isn't great, I can see the pixel, perhaps something I can fix in the settings. Otherwise, the design is superb, it feels like a premium product, but with a fragile screen. I keep it at home on my desk at all time. At the moment

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@freman75 That's super interesting to hear. I've just realized the Note Air 3 B&W weirdly has a 227ppi screen, whereas the Note Air 3C has 300ppi for the black and white layer. The information got confounded somewhere for me, sorry about that. It's quite odd to me that they dropped the resolution on the black & white version. I had owned a reMarkable 1 which was 226ppi and I did find pixelation noticeable on that device especially when handwriting (curvy lines), so it may not be a setting on your Note Air 3 B&W.
      I'm also perplexed by where the navigation slows down, things like page turns especially on handwritten documents, while in other areas like some apps it's rather fast and can even get away with continuous scroll. My feeling is that different elements of boox's proprietary software are not evenly optimized/refined. If I understood software lol I'm sure I'd find bloat and some unideal handling of vectors. For the most part once I'm actually in the flow of doing something the lag is tolerable and easy enough to work around, but I can't shake the feeling that given what is achieved elsewhere on the device (& specs) that lag doesn't need to be there.
      I'm the same as you with my Go 10.3, I love the design but have been too intimidated by the risk of damage to the thin shell & glass screen to carry it around outside the house except a couple of times. I may buy a felt sleeve or something protective to slide it into on top of the case as the "case" isn't much more protective than a sleepcover. My SuperNote I carry with me all the time, it gets knocked around very slightly being in my bag (I'm not ridiculously rough with it either) but the nature of the screen and shell design don't give me much concern even if it's case is thin also, the tradeoff being the whole package is not nearly as sleek.

  • @lac29
    @lac29 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I use my Go 10.3 mainly as a reader (ebooks and manga) and NOT as a notetaking device, so I am largely happy with how it fits in my life at the moment. It is also for larger format textbook or pdf reading in my use case and another reason why I went with this larger size.
    One of the frustrations imo, with Boox is that even though being an Android device, the performance of non-Boox apps is acceptable to un-usable. Do you ever think that we will get to the point where we don't have to rely on the Boox native apps? I don't see this happening in the near future and I don't even know who needs to be the one to fix Android app performance on the Boox platform (or maybe eink in general) ... is it Boox (providing more documentation on how to optimize Android apps for their platform?) or is it Android app developers (needing to implement more features/fixes that adapt to eink in general or Boox specifically?).

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I can definitely feel you on where other devices won't match up to boox in dealing with heavy documents. The screen is very nice for manga but I find it weird people don't point out that the paper for pencil writing feel textured finish doesn't help the clarity at all, and that the screen backing or "white" is not at the level of what was called "pearl" with older ereaders when getting the white background was a huge focus, prior to frontlights even.
      Good point on the third party apps, it's not nearly as stellar as people would have you think beyond very basic productivity type apps. I think the performance gets overemphasized also when reviewers etc use it as just a way to differentiate boox from other eink tablets like SN or rM, like it's not smooth like using an iPad. Even in boox's own note app I find flipping pages surprisingly slow for the hardware behind it, which I'll strongly guess is due to some bloated handling of that software as it makes no sense otherwise.
      I'm in the same boat as you where it's quite jarring what is and isn't possible with eink, this is probably augmented by the strides that have been made in handwriting specifically (refreshing in a very localized area, I don't know what goes into that but they have the hardware and software down at this point) where a similar responsiveness is not seen elsewhere in the device. Eink is cool in a lot of ways but is quite a wonky screen technology if you think about it, it's like these buoys floating in a medium (what I learned, maybe way off lol) that tip up or down to their black or white side dependent on the charge beneath them, so they take time just moving physically. For just general text reading obviously it's pretty well solved, plus handwriting now, but you can tell it's a technology with a ceiling. What's made it endure more than anything else has to be the optical quality, not emitting any light so basically being real "digital paper" to your eyes at least.
      I think it's really up to first party apps as it's the hardware maker with the greater financial incentive to see to it that enough apps/uses work to sell their product which in my opinion with boox really is the tablet foremost. Apparently boox had implemented an additional software layer for apps like MS OneNote specifically where it essentially uses the snappy writing software used in neoreader to mark up and boox's notebook app while you are writing, and as you work then sort of translates/prints it into OneNote's own writing input in a way that is I've heard decent. You might see standardized eink modes become more prevalent as eink tablets capable of running apps are definitely having a boom right now, sort of like how "dark mode" blew up around 2018, though I wonder as eink considerations on the developer side are much greater on average. Reading apps have already started but you kind of would expect them to, I'd be more blown away if Obsidian or something did it.
      If a screen solution comes along with nearly as good optical qualities but the ability to refresh quickly then there's a good chance eink would become at least a partial relic. Lookup the daylight DC1, it's a startup using (I think) reflective transducive lcd...no clue what that means except that it's a type of LCD that should have better optical/eye health qualities than a standard LCD but is capable of 60fps refresh rate (see demos, it's as responsive as an iPad etc) and is being marketed as digital paper also. When I looked it up it said it still emits blue light, but exciting if more options can come to the fore between standard screen tech's refresh rate and eink's optical qualities.
      Last thing, the eink phone type device I have in the video is the hisense touch lite. I can't explain why but after installing a better keyboard etc, it feels like a snappier device than all my other eink devices including the boox. Even dealing with big pdfs. Readera and Lithium are very fast on it, will have to try those on the boox.

    • @valuetraveler2026
      @valuetraveler2026 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      did you consider the go 7? If so, would you say it is too small for reading?

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@valuetraveler2026 For me the pen/handwriting functionality is essential and so I did not consider the Boox Go 7 as to my knowledge it does not support that. I also don't require color and find the kaleido screens too dark for my taste but it's just a subjective preference as many find it to be a great experience. With that in mind I would opt personally for a boox nova air which is 7.8", black and white, and features handwriting/pen, and show up for decent prices used I believe, if I had to choose between that and the Go 7. I think Boox's smaller readers like the poke lite (6" screen) are well regarded, maybe another option to look into. I've owned a kobo clara HD (6"), and the hisense touch lite which I hold up at 5:26 in the video and is now my preferred reader for portability and comfort (though required a lot of set up as I was new to android customization and apps, plus hisense does not have good default apps whereas boox does). The smaller size is a feature depending on how you read, and I've found myself returning more to the more portable devices for pure text reading because of how I read. I hadn't considered boox in the past for portable readers but the more I look into them they seem like very flexible and powerful devices in contrast to kobo or kindle which are more locked down and with generally much more basic functionality. I almost exclusively read epubs on these small screens as text is completely resizable and reformable. For comics I would not go smaller than an 7.8 or 8" screen (kobo forma and sage have 8" screens, 7.8" honestly just as good), and for pdfs and textbooks I would stick to 10.3" sized devices like the Go 10.3.
      Sorry, that's a lot to consider and is definitely influenced by my own limited experience and personal interest in these devices. I've just checked out more about the boox go 7, it looks like a lovely device so can only speak to what I know.

  • @el5271
    @el5271 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for this review. Do you think a relatively tech savvy person can customize Boox Go 10.3 to thee point where it is like a SuperNote?

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I believe you can, however in my personal opinion using SuperNote will remain a considerably better overall experience because their software is so holistically designed. With rM and SN, the proprietary software is as much the product as the machine, however with boox it kind of feels like the device really is the main product and they've designed a bundle of software to deal with how they think people will use it. Every one of SN's apps has some logical and clear connection to the others, from the reader, to the calendar, to notes, and other features like the digest, keywords. Almost all these things are technically possible with the boox but not placed in an optimized or attractive way for a specific workflow in the way you get with supernote. The other aspect which I have no evidence of my own for, so may be wrong on, but I've heard boox is more bug prone and I've seen instances online of things like annotations going out of sync etc. With Supernote it feels sort of like when Apple's ecosystem was much better, where things are a bit more constrained ("focused") but the company is very accountable and on top of it to prevent things going wrong and solving things when they do. As a focus device I would pick SN every time because they are a company trying to build a focus system and pride themselves as much if not more on their software as their devices. I know their recent desktop companion app launch was a bit of a mess but overall they're very accountable/responsive and the software on the device itself is polished. I'm a bit outside of the norm in that I've been happy with the writing feel of the original A6X as well as the improved feel on the A6X2 Nomad, which to me is quite similar. I've also emailed SN and they've been more than willing to hear me out on features etc, which I don't think you would get with Boox. I may make another video with some of these new thoughts, as of this video I've only had the boox go 10.3 for 2 weeks.
      I'm guessing many eink reviewers currently praising the boox go 10.3 will be putting it to the side when the new A5X2 launches, and claiming the A5X2 to be better than boox because of their optimized system for "focus". Not to be cynical, it's just clear that many reviewers like to title their videos as though the latest product making waves is the one that solves everything. I tried to point to it in the video though could have done more, for something to be a great "focus" device the path of least resistance in the UI has to be the one that leads to the ideal intended workflow. I would certainly count myself as relatively tech savvy and say that I'm way more relaxed using a SN and never really have to think about the technology itself. With boox I find myself going "what does a circle with a line mean in this context, rather than what it means in the other app", which is why I brought up that they have a serious icon problem. Some people won't care and are happy to deal with it, I just think it's an oversight that causes speed bumps which remind you "oh yeah, I'm using a device/technology". You don't feel as offline or like you're just dealing with some magical form of paper in the rM or SN way that lets you forget.
      Sorry for the giant rant, the answer is you can optimize it and people have, however in my own opinion there's still the blatant focus of each company that puts an rM or SN way on top of boox for "focus" in 90% of cases. rM touts itself as digital paper, SN's slogan is "for those who write" (so it's a device that's really going to help you do this one thing more or less), and boox's slogan is "like a tablet, unlike any tablet" which I think is much vaguer and has an emphasis on the actual technology rather than a "focus" use & experience. The reason why the Go 10.3 caught my attention is of course the form factor and I saw what someone like jvscholz (youtuber) was achieving specifically with boox relying heavily on third party android apps and boox's own apps & more performant hardware. SN has unlocked app sideloading because of community demand, and most apps appear to not run that well because it's really not their focus whereas if apps are a huge thing for you, the range of what will work is still much higher with boox. It depends on the angle you're coming from because as much as I'm a SN fan, I won't pretend like there aren't things to praise about boox. Boox's emphasis isn't on focus, so if I wanted a focus device above all I'd go with the Supernote because it allows me to work with the tide rather than against it. My suspicion with boox is even optimizing it for focus I will continue to run into overstuffed menus and UI that isn't where it should be.
      Brandon Boswell has a video called Optimizing your Boox for Focus that might inspire you. He uses Niagara launcher (paid) though I personally much prefer unlauncher which is free and I believe open source. The information is outdated as the note taking app he recommends is no longer developed (though is open source), and boox's own note app has come a long way where you would likely not want to use anything else with a boox device. I feel a bit one sided here but these are my genuine thoughts as someone that is more so compatible with the holistic approach of SN but am looking to boox for the potential with android apps, and the more powerful hardware to deal with bigger documents and files. I didn't include it in the video but likely will in the next, I use markdown files for a lot of my notes and even saving courses to, so the boox has a definite advantage of being able to deal with those as well as heavier associated media like video, which is so far out of the question for SN or rM.

    • @el5271
      @el5271 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      First of all, thank you for this detailed and well thought-out and speedy reply. I will share my situation in kind if that's of interest to you and the wide audience. I am looking for my first e ink device since the last two weeks, and ultimately after a lot of research still struggling to come to a decision.
      My primary use case will be to replace my dialy planner/notebook that sits at the office (A5 size), the perosnal journals at home (A6); hand writing ideas and notes is important to the way I function; I have a poweful Andriod tablet which can have handwriting input, which I thought could have done these said functions but I couldn't get into a habit (friction of the apps/weight/distraction from entertainment and social media apps). I also fine un-refined products annoying. So I think RM2 or SN would be more my style.
      BUT, the Nomad just seems too small for what I am used to (particularly for work notes); A5X2 keeps getting delayed and I don't necessarily want to wait; RM2 is a 4 year old device, which is too old for my preference for a tech piece (however much illogical); PLUS I also like the idea of being able to use native ereader apps like Kindle and Google Books by having play stores, and the possible option of assessing/editing Google Docs/sheets directly (but am of no interest to other Playstore apps -- I have other devices for that)....which led me to my question to you originally. But your response make me hesistant and seems like I should wait and see.
      Looking forward to your further vidoes.

  • @TheMarkRich
    @TheMarkRich 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the videos. They are welcome.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you! I'm trying to offer a different perspective than full on TH-cam reviewers so I'm glad to hear it comes across. My thoughts are still evolving a lot as I learn more but it's great if I can provide some counterpoint to reviews like "Move over SuperNote" and "Watch out reMarkable" with my personal experience so far.

  • @WritersLike
    @WritersLike 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I totally agree about how the Go is as much of a focus device as you make it. I got one to check it out and returned because I realized I just don't think as well on any Boox device as I do on the SN, no matter the package. (I love that textured back of the Go, though.)

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey, very well said. Given your username it makes sense SN would resonate with you much more, "for those who write". That's the real measure of a focus device right? Does it actually help you think, are you having to stop and think about the technology or are you just doing and thinking about the thing you set out to do like write or draw. I mentioned in another reply but I feel, without being too adamant to dissuade people from customizing their boox if it works well for them, that if you're looking for a "focus" device it's still much better to go with a focus centric company, rather than work against the current/tide going with boox which I feel foremost is a tech/hardware centric company, with their software being so you can use their product rather than the key selling point as it clearly is with SN, as much as boox's software has evolved and improved.
      I'm in a position where I much prefer the SN, I think my blood pressure is literally much lower using it than the boox lol not joking, but I'm inspired by what I've seen youtubers like jvscholz achieve on it using third party apps, I want to deal with bigger files, and files with heavy media like markdown files which have videos associated as well as textbooks. I'm a bit annoyed with how some reviewers are exaggerating the kind of step this is for boox, I feel it has potential but it nowhere near makes it SN (a huge part of why SN is so good is specifically because Ratta themselves are so good and focused/holistic). I strongly believe when the A5X2 is released many reviewers will be more openly critical of the Go 10.3. I think the Go rules as an overall proposition for a specific person, but boox remains not a "focus" company in the way SN & rM are, they're just the most ahead in their niche which is a type of hardware that necessarily includes specialized software.

  • @em4me-Dan
    @em4me-Dan 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    You keep mentioning inconsistencies but have not outlined any of them.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      There isn't a strong overriding logic to the interface or iconography making navigating the device and performing more complex note tasks unintuitive. It's the same interface as all current boox devices, and roughly the same as has shipped on the original Note Air, so I don't have any original thoughts on it. If it seems suitable for you then you're probably a person that should buy it as it allows for many kinds of workflows but generally isn't intuitive for any one predesigned workflow. Many things are not outlined in this video, it's just some thoughts and comparisons after using the device for 2 weeks.

    • @em4me-Dan
      @em4me-Dan 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@gen19382 I understand…THX for the reply.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@em4me-Dan Maybe I got defensive for a second. Hope it's clear it's not meant as a comprehensive review, I wanted to use a catchier title than "2 weeks in experience" or something like that. There are many positives about the Go 10.3 but it's just a matter of what kind of person is going to experience those positives in actual use vs who would benefit more from the positives of SuperNote, because they are very much not the same positives even if functionally/technically there is some overlap of features on paper. I wanted to highlight that specifically because of how the Go 10.3 has been marketed and received as a potential surpasser of the reMarkable or Supernote, while in reality it's mostly closer to its own category of android eink tablets but with some big improvements like the writing experience. For me, it does surpass/replace the rM but for someone needing a strict and truly constrained & intuitive "distraction free" experience, I don't think the Go is a good purchase. It's not just the features but how you prioritize them vs. how they are prioritized within the design of the software & device.

    • @em4me-Dan
      @em4me-Dan 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@gen19382 No offense taken...no worries👍

  • @jacksonier
    @jacksonier 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quick question abt the screen itself. Have got already the device and noticed that the feel of writing on it differs slightly versus writing on Note Air 3.
    Am I right there is no built-in(I mean shippers right with the device) “paper-like screen film”, like it is in Note Air 3 B&W ?
    It it is, then do you think if I’d buy such “Paper-like screen” the writing experience would be similar to Note Air 3 B&W?

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Interesting, I don't own the Note Air 3 as this is my first boox device so apologies I can't be much help there.. I've owned the original reMarkable 1 which has a built-in/factory-applied textured screen protector, and I find this feels very similar, like they were trying to replicate the rM writing feel very specifically. It's subtler on my Boox Go 10.3 than I've seen on other devices, I find it a nice balance as I can still write fast but does not feel like "on glass" in the case of an apple pencil. Sorry I can't be of more help, maybe check on the boox reddit. It could also be some type of manufacturing inconsistency between our devices.

    • @jacksonier
      @jacksonier 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gen19382 Wait, what I mean is do you see or feel when writing, in general, whether there is already applied the screen protector on "Onyx Go 10.3" ? I think there is none, from the stock, right?

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jacksonier When writing I feel a level of grit which is consistent with there being some built in or preapplied paperlike texture though it is not overly gritty. If there was none I have to imagine it would feel similar to writing on an ipad, ie on glass. If I hold it up to the light the texture is visible and really reduces the depth of black if there is some glare. Maybe the Note Airs have a much grittier screen protector? I looked on reddit and from what I saw it definitely has a built in screen protector or that is paperlike though is more subtle with it's texture than many other screen protectors with the same paperlike aim.
      I should add the blacks look lighter and the screen a bit less crisp than say my old ereaders that have no screen protector, so there's definitely some layer on top scattering the light which again is consistent with a paperlike matte/gritty screen protector. That's not a bit comment on the visual quality of the Go 10.3 as it's 300ppi still, just another point of reference confirming my device does have a preapplied screen protector.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jacksonier Check out “Boox Go 10.3: Unboxing and First Impressions. 10.3" E-Ink Tablet With 300PPI, 4.6mm Thinness at $380” by My Deep Guide, at 10:20 he says it feels to him on first impression like the Note Air 3 to the touch. At 29:30 he talks about the writing experience and you can clearly hear the writing surface with paperlike grit, and Voya says it doesn’t feel like writing on glass. Around this part of the video the way the light reflects on the screen make it obvious too.
      Also, haven't tried out the calendar memo yet but will give it a go so thank you for recommending it.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jacksonier Hey, my bad, I’ve since found out it’s etched glass that gives the writing texture and not a screen protector. I wasn’t familiar with that approach.

  • @impulsesystems
    @impulsesystems 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Interesting takes here. Thanks!
    I have a Note Air 3 monochrome model and use it more as a reader than a notebook. I almost never use the frontlight and have not used the SD card. I am about to get this GO 10.3 and give the NA3 to the lady.
    Agreed on the Boox UI but it seems like the Remarkable is now outdated and Supernote seemed to need more work to load Android apps. Neo reader handles most docs that are not commercial books. Other notes and [all] music apps have sucked. I am open to recommendations!

    • @jacksonier
      @jacksonier 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      > I almost never use the frontlight and have not used the SD card
      - Exactly, likewise, did not find myself seeing my notes/PDFs taking significant amount of space. Owning Note Air 3 B&W, and it's been great so far for note-taking, writing on A4-sized PDFs
      - I think Go 10.3 is the good one to get, especially for the planning, using "Calendar Memo". It nice to put the device on sleep and to observe your schedule/meetings/notes for the current day...
      - Given I am mostly residing and reading in the rooms with a lot of light (i like a lot of lights), I am looking for a good quality eInk display, and I think Go 10.3 is exactly what I am looking for, as it does not have color layer and it's also 300 ppi, the first Onyx Boox 300ppi.
      - Gonna test it tomorrow myself.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for your comment! I was definitely considering the note air model you have prior to Go 10.3 announcement which made me pull the trigger on getting the boox.
      I agree completely that in my case as well the rM has been made out of the question, and having owned an rM1 in the past, the writing feel on the Boox 10.3 is phenomenal to me so I feel the Go has already engulfed and surpassed just the basic rM aspect of my workflow without question. I would place SN as the focus heavyweight by a long shot, they took what rM was doing with the idea of "digital paper" and really ran with what that can be in terms of the digital advantages without dropping a paper like or "focused" experience.
      My strong opinion is Ratta has opened up installing 3rd party apps as a gesture of good will to a community that was begging for it without necessarily in all cases grasping what the device can really handle.
      I'll have to experiment with a ton of apps for a while to figure out what works on boox. On my hisense touch continuous scroll of pdfs on readera has been outstanding, and lithium similarly with epubs. The caveat being hisense has it's own system and performance modes for eink, so maybe my thoughts will change and improve once I get to that level of testing. Beyond just using it as a rM which I think it has it more than down and no possible complaints on my end about writing feel, though some more tools and pressure options would be ideal for drawing.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jacksonier Lack of frontlight to my surprise is totally a feature for my use with this device, the writing feels direct and everything on screen less inset. It's a device I mainly use at a desk or a couch where there's always light readily available. For a small ereader lack of frontlight would be a big issuel but it's just a very different use case for me given the size of the Go 10.3, like a clipboard ish.
      I was worried at first about 64gb but it's not a drastic issue at all and won't be foreseeably for a while however I am glad the OTG usb C works well when I've tested it to get some files of a usb key onto the device.

  • @VladimirKostek
    @VladimirKostek 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do you like the palma you have there?

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's actually a Hisense Touch Lite. Apparently the Hisense Touch (not Lite) is the better option for not much more expensive, if you want to compare to the palma, and generally google play is not preinstalled as it's a China market device. I love it, it's become my main reader day to day. It took some time to figure out how to configure it in a way I like but once I found my 2 reading apps, lithium and readera, and switched the launcher from the app icon style to the minimalist text list (using a launcher called unlauncher), I really got into a comfortable flow with it. I'll admit there was a learning curve with android and customizing that took me a while but it was also the first time I saw the point of android on eink, it actually for whatever reason feels like a faster device than any eink tablet I've owned which I can't explain except for most of my uses being simpler.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey, I knew I recognized your name, love the stream you did with Kit Betts Masters!

    • @VladimirKostek
      @VladimirKostek 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@gen19382 We'll be doing one again in a few weeks! Nice set of devices you've got there 📚

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@VladimirKostek I'll be sure to tune in, interested in your thoughts on the Go as someone who's gravitated more toward rM & SN for focus and art/design abilities (similar to myself however I took a leap with the Go due to marketing and seeing some more advanced android workflows that I definitely have not attempted yet).
      I've been lucky in terms of finding/scouring things used for good prices, the reason I have the hisense and not the palma. I've been blown away by SN as a company and focus system, as well as Atelier like yourself, so it kind of colors my interpretation of the Go here.
      I'm sure you guys will cover a lot like last time so looking forward to it!

    • @VladimirKostek
      @VladimirKostek 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @gen19382 I actually should be releasing a vid on my thoughts of the Go this week! I have mixed feelings, but I get why boox is pushing that... just not sure it makes as much sense as some people might be led on to believe. We will likely discuss that a tad, as well as inkpad 3 and some computer stuff as well. Buying used/refurb is a good way to save for sure... I actually just had a dream tonight of a palma/hisense sized color device with a small s-pen that replaced my phone, I was weirdly in some small asian street market where I bargained for it... ah to dream 🤣

  • @Cons2911
    @Cons2911 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I got mine like 2 weeks ago. And so far I like it a lot. Was going for a supernote, but I do need some android apps and a browser.

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm also finding the Go 10.3 really shines once you move into third party apps and media packed documents/webpages. I'm guessing it will be another product iteration before SuperNote has specs where you can dip into a relatively smooth experience as far as app functionality. For now it's really either/or, both of them compelling but from very different angles. I like that SN feels like a more "complete" experience for what they intend, but it does preclude all the cool boox/android things on eink which feels like a bigger tradeoff now that you can do so much more on eink thanks to boox etc.

    • @Cons2911
      @Cons2911 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gen19382 I’ve never owned SN but I’ve seen lots of videos so I believe their software is nice on the note taking dept, but yeah I need to browse, save links, send emails from time to time.
      I don’t know if you can read manga in SN but I do that too. I do google a lot and from what I recall they don’t have a browser, or maybe I’m wrong

  • @boliciousff
    @boliciousff 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Epub should be possilbe on Remarkable

    • @gen19382
      @gen19382  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, it slipped my mind to mention the specifics around epubs as I always just started with pdfs when I owned an rM1 so the formatting could be predictable for me. Epubs are "supported" however in the current rM software they are always converted automatically to pdf once transferred so that you can mark them up and not get screwed up by the reformatibility/resizeability of the epub format, also not losing the benefit of exporting pdf documents with the markup inside of them. I don't believe this has changed unless I am unaware of a recent update.

  • @robertbarta2793
    @robertbarta2793 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That is just rambling.