hello. I'm a Gas Technician and just adding some imput to viewers. always use flare fitting or threaed, never compression! for the out doors make sure your flare nuts are forged and not cast! cast can get water inside and freeze then crack. the lips on your flare should be double the size as his first one, an old school trick is stick the copper a nickles width above the flare tool clamp. a little lube might help keep the flare smooth with a cheap tool. the flare should be crazy smooth. do not use tape on flare! a good flare can hold more than 500psi! Propane is only 1/2psi after the regulator. i saw an other viewer commented about tanks being in closed, propane tanks have relief valves to vent under serious condissions. id vent the box on the side to be safe. LP, Liquid propane reacts to temp like crazy, 8psi @0f and 200psi @120f. so you dont want that box to get hot and you can see why regulators are so important and why they might need to vent. this temp vs. tank pressure comes into play when you size your tank for your BTU load in your camper. if its really cold you dont get alot of BTU out of a tank do to the pressure being low. if youve ever seen a tank frost that is why. rant over. ;)
No, REALLY - Chris, Keep on ranting. 70 Y/O Gas Tech here. You have provided much good advise. Much more needed to bring this fellow up to the task. This guy is going to get someone following his example (maybe their whole family) killed. i.e. - Blown off the face of the planet. I do not have the time right now to comment on the many areas of improvement needed here. Please, everyone, If you are going to follow LPG or NG installation on this forum, DO NOT take this fellows' advise! Go find it somewhere else!
Tip for future use from my old 7th grade shop teacher ~> Freezing water inside tubing allows tighter (and easier) bends without kinking. And after cutting copper tubing ~> reaming the inner diameter before flaring alleviates most cracking, burrs and potential leaks.
I was going to say the same thing after cutting the pipe. Use the reamer (black pointy thing on the cutter) to ream or deburr the inside of the pipe after the cut. A small burr becomes a small lump in the flare and can potentially cause a leak. As stated by Chris Root before "a nickles width above the flare tool clamp" should give you a perfect flare. Learned this the same way you did.
I'm watching this as I am trying to remember how to install a line. I do have one thing to say that all should be aware of...safety first. A propane tank should NEVER be fully enclosed. Ever. It should be no more than 50% enclosed and if the top is part of the 50% it should have plenty of head space. Thank you for doing this how-to!
Sir if I could just offer a small piece of advice. When you make your cut on copper tubing using a wheel cutter, it creates a "burr" on the inside of the tubing as it presses through. If you will take a reamer, most tubing cutters have a crude reamer that pops or swivels out, and remove that burr before flaring, you will drastically reduce your chance of leaks. Good luck with your project, I just subbed to watch your progress.
Great video! This is very helpful for me doing the gas lines for my dad this weekend. You were right to not use the Teflon tape on that fitting. It's supposed to seal by the flare and fitting.
@@israelphoenix 70 Y/O Gas Tech here. NOPE! Bare metal to metal / copper to brass "COLD". Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet! PLEEEAASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
@@ericwhitaker9608 Correct! Unfortunately this guy doesn't have the knowledge to recognize that the flare that leaked was nonconcentric and would likely never seal; even if he had the knowledge to use two wrenches on that Tee fitting properly.
Be sure to get some steel wool and shove it around open holes around hoses etc. it keeps the mice out of the metal box and use some spray foam as well this also works on holes in the floors for your other pipe openings. It works for sure.
Sandra, Some good advise for you. NEVER enclose a vapor gas storage device! This Guys' enclosure would be better suited to the application if the ENTIRE bottom was not there at all.
Propane was used on Diesel trucks for high performance upgrades before everything went Compurtized now the majority of Performance enhancements are done by adjusting or tweaking the vehicles Computer or ECM and maybe a few Exhaust or Intake bolt on modifications often the ECM mods are refered to as Tuning Propane isn’t used as much as it once did on Diesels as they now concentrate on better Air Volumes with Turbo Chargers and less restrictive exhaust systems ! your Dads old Propane box may had been used on a Diesel powered Tractor Truck or beleive it or not in the 1980s Drag Racing Dump Trucks was a popular Sport and i heard stories of guys using Propane shots to give them a burst of power in a race
where do you buy the copper and the fittings I have an old camper and I need to reroute some propane lines. thanks. very good video just need less words.
70 Y/O Gas Tech here. NOPE! That is NOT how one anneals metal. Especially copper. Annealing the copper encourages future cracks and subsequent leaks. Hardening - even more so! Do not mess with the metallurgy! The copper tubing comes from the factory at the proper hardness and malleability. If there is a leak, it is your fault not the metallurgy. Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet! PLEASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
Building a cabin is something that I've wanted to do for a while and you're looks great. I have a question, and I'm not trying to be condescending, is there any reason you chose compression fitting instead of something that is threaded )or you could braze you lines), and flexible tubing instead of rigid pipe? I'm by no means an expert, but I have had a high failure rate with every compression fitting (only on water lines...which I know you are using gas) installed in my house...and I know that rigid pipe with outlast the flexible copper tubing by at least 10 times as long...also noticed that they make pex pipe for gas...which we are switching our copper system to pex in the near future.
Kenneth Rutt that's a good question. Short answer is I don't know how to braze, and the parts are easily available. Second is serviceability, I like to be able to take things apart easily. This whole system is pretty modular and changeable. I just make sure to check for leaks.
70 Y/O Gas Tech here. NOPE! NEVER on flare fittings! Bare metal to metal / copper to brass "COLD". Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet! PLEASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
Audio out of sync. Can't tell if it's on your side or if YT is Fucking Up again. They tend to go out of sync then start crackling and popping while watching anything in 720p.
hello. I'm a Gas Technician and just adding some imput to viewers. always use flare fitting or threaed, never compression! for the out doors make sure your flare nuts are forged and not cast! cast can get water inside and freeze then crack. the lips on your flare should be double the size as his first one, an old school trick is stick the copper a nickles width above the flare tool clamp. a little lube might help keep the flare smooth with a cheap tool. the flare should be crazy smooth. do not use tape on flare! a good flare can hold more than 500psi! Propane is only 1/2psi after the regulator. i saw an other viewer commented about tanks being in closed, propane tanks have relief valves to vent under serious condissions. id vent the box on the side to be safe. LP, Liquid propane reacts to temp like crazy, 8psi @0f and 200psi @120f. so you dont want that box to get hot and you can see why regulators are so important and why they might need to vent. this temp vs. tank pressure comes into play when you size your tank for your BTU load in your camper. if its really cold you dont get alot of BTU out of a tank do to the pressure being low. if youve ever seen a tank frost that is why. rant over. ;)
No, REALLY - Chris, Keep on ranting.
70 Y/O Gas Tech here.
You have provided much good advise. Much more needed to bring this fellow up to the task.
This guy is going to get someone following his example (maybe their whole family) killed. i.e. - Blown off the face of the planet.
I do not have the time right now to comment on the many areas of improvement needed here.
Please, everyone, If you are going to follow LPG or NG installation on this forum, DO NOT take this fellows' advise!
Go find it somewhere else!
what is the best way to run this installation then?
Thanks for taking the time to post great info and advice. Much appreciated!
Tip for future use from my old 7th grade shop teacher ~> Freezing water inside tubing allows tighter (and easier) bends without kinking. And after cutting copper tubing ~> reaming the inner diameter before flaring alleviates most cracking, burrs and potential leaks.
Just buy the springs for making bends....they come in all sizes and you can get sharp bends....or a bending tool.
I was going to say the same thing after cutting the pipe. Use the reamer (black pointy thing on the cutter) to ream or deburr the inside of the pipe after the cut. A small burr becomes a small lump in the flare and can potentially cause a leak. As stated by Chris Root before "a nickles width above the flare tool clamp" should give you a perfect flare. Learned this the same way you did.
I'm watching this as I am trying to remember how to install a line. I do have one thing to say that all should be aware of...safety first. A propane tank should NEVER be fully enclosed. Ever. It should be no more than 50% enclosed and if the top is part of the 50% it should have plenty of head space. Thank you for doing this how-to!
awesome video I am preparing to do exactly the set up that you are showing including propane storage box. Including multiple appliance hookup.
Your short musical intro reminded me of a B horror movie. The music scared me man!!!!
Sir if I could just offer a small piece of advice. When you make your cut on copper tubing using a wheel cutter, it creates a "burr" on the inside of the tubing as it presses through. If you will take a reamer, most tubing cutters have a crude reamer that pops or swivels out, and remove that burr before flaring, you will drastically reduce your chance of leaks. Good luck with your project, I just subbed to watch your progress.
Great video! This is very helpful for me doing the gas lines for my dad this weekend. You were right to not use the Teflon tape on that fitting. It's supposed to seal by the flare and fitting.
Eric Whitaker aren't you supposed to heat that seal up with a torch?
Tiny Home Georgia if you're talking about the flare fitting, then I don't believe so. If your flare is good then it'll seal itself.
@@israelphoenix 70 Y/O Gas Tech here. NOPE! Bare metal to metal / copper to brass "COLD".
Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet!
PLEEEAASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
@@ericwhitaker9608 Correct!
Unfortunately this guy doesn't have the knowledge to recognize that the flare that leaked was nonconcentric and would likely never seal; even if he had the knowledge to use two wrenches on that Tee fitting properly.
Be sure to get some steel wool and shove it around open holes around hoses etc. it keeps the mice out of the metal box and use some spray foam as well this also works on holes in the floors for your other pipe openings. It works for sure.
Sandra, Some good advise for you.
NEVER enclose a vapor gas storage device!
This Guys' enclosure would be better suited to the application if the ENTIRE bottom was not there at all.
From a neebee why not show how much tubing is projecting from the flaring clamp and how to decide which diameter hole to put the tube into.
Where can I find them t fittings and what are they called
A whole week at the cabin...NICE! Hope it was productive.
+HAFFT1ME It's never as productive as I want it to be, but we have some good projects lined up..!
Propane was used on Diesel trucks for high performance upgrades before everything went Compurtized now the majority of Performance enhancements are done by adjusting or tweaking the vehicles Computer or ECM and maybe a few Exhaust or Intake bolt on modifications often the ECM mods are refered to as Tuning Propane isn’t used as much as it once did on Diesels as they now concentrate on better Air Volumes with Turbo Chargers and less restrictive exhaust systems ! your Dads old Propane box may had been used on a Diesel powered Tractor Truck or beleive it or not in the 1980s Drag Racing Dump Trucks was a popular Sport and i heard stories of guys using Propane shots to give them a burst of power in a race
It was a 460 camper special.
Where did you get the T splitter? I am looking for one.
Hello, what size is the copper tubing?
I realize this is a old video but if you clean up your cut and double flair your connections you won't have leaks
Nice hand 😅
where do you buy the copper and the fittings I have an old camper and I need to reroute some propane lines. thanks. very good video just need less words.
h depot
pays to anneal the pipe first to make it soft will bed in better. Heat the pipe and dunk into cold water a couple of times.
70 Y/O Gas Tech here.
NOPE! That is NOT how one anneals metal. Especially copper.
Annealing the copper encourages future cracks and subsequent leaks. Hardening - even more so!
Do not mess with the metallurgy! The copper tubing comes from the factory at the proper hardness and malleability.
If there is a leak, it is your fault not the metallurgy.
Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet!
PLEASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
Building a cabin is something that I've wanted to do for a while and you're looks great. I have a question, and I'm not trying to be condescending, is there any reason you chose compression fitting instead of something that is threaded )or you could braze you lines), and flexible tubing instead of rigid pipe?
I'm by no means an expert, but I have had a high failure rate with every compression fitting (only on water lines...which I know you are using gas) installed in my house...and I know that rigid pipe with outlast the flexible copper tubing by at least 10 times as long...also noticed that they make pex pipe for gas...which we are switching our copper system to pex in the near future.
Kenneth Rutt that's a good question. Short answer is I don't know how to braze, and the parts are easily available. Second is serviceability, I like to be able to take things apart easily. This whole system is pretty modular and changeable. I just make sure to check for leaks.
I both a 30 BTU blue flame and can not put it tugether
Vent that box. Cheers
Oh I see it is vented GREAT.
try using some sand for the bending.
are you going to vent your propane refrig and stove to the outside?
Yes..eventually.
Probably could’ve got a better seal without having to re-flare had you used plumbers tape
Plumbers tape isn’t for gas lines.
Could you list the tools used in this video by responding to this comment.
No no no, you are doing it all wrong!
Always pipe dope threads
70 Y/O Gas Tech here.
NOPE! NEVER on flare fittings!
Bare metal to metal / copper to brass "COLD".
Fantastic example of how a dilettante (a dabbler, one who dabbles, plays with their hands) can put horrible advise on the internet!
PLEASE, GO TO CLASS for those things that can "Literally" END YOUR LIFE!
the intro to this video is creepy, dude....tooooo sloooowwwwww
Why are you doing repairs on live gas I work for a gas company and that's not allowed.Dont you have a turnoff valve
Sonija Bennett it’s not live..
Your intro is kinda weird lol
You are an amateur, you never use any adjustable wrench on flare nuts.
Audio out of sync. Can't tell if it's on your side or if YT is Fucking Up again. They tend to go out of sync then start crackling and popping while watching anything in 720p.
it was fine on my part.
TMI too long, not enough useful info.
For real! Pretty useless video
Too slow, too many words. I got tired of waiting after three minutes about my Pappy's truck.