@The California Citizens Watch There are good umpires that have some degree of passion for what they do, but they usually don't ump youth sports. The people that DO ump youth sports typically do so to pick up a few extra bucks on the weekend, and by few I mean several $100. Many of these umps don't pay that close attention and often turn to the crowd to get the count. These people know who they are, but they are not going to quit because they like the easy money. I once asked a rec league umpire before the game, are you going to have an expanded strike zone today? It was a legit question and she knew it. She responded, "Yep, otherwise we will be here all day!" I asked her how far off the plate will she give the pitcher, she said 6 inches. I said how high? She said, "chin". I thanked her and told her to have a good game. Then I told my daughter so she would know what to expect.
I agree completely. I umpire little league and the worst thing about it is the parents who think they know everything and the coaches who question every call and come into the game trying to start problems. However this video shows what I have been thinking for years. These issues with adults are the worst at the lower age groups. 8u and 10u where I umpire, over the last 2 years I’ve thrown 2 coaches 1 on 8u and 1 on 10u. Never even had a problem with ages above that including travel ball.
I coached youth league baseball for several years. It amazes me that parents allow their kids to be coached by a hot head coach like this. I assure you , this is not the first time he’s acted like this and not just in the game. Don’t let your children be subjected to this kind of coaching no matter his win record. Kids first.
Parents are just as bad. Don’t know the rules and love these kinds of coaches because they think they know the rules too. So go with it. Had so many parents screaming and hollering over stupid shit. No one getting a scholarship at this game.
The problem is the delusions of grandeur by coaches and parents. Newsflash - Arsenal isn't sending scouts to your kid's travel league game and the MLB isn't eyeing you for a minor league manager slot.
Yeah terrible call by the ump tho. I would've called obstruction on the catcher for blocking the running lane without the ball. Runner had no choice but to run the catcher over. Good hold on the ball once he did get it but should've been a safe call and then someone should've checked on catcher.
Calls aside, the umps made two key mistakes: 1) Never, ever let opposing coaches at any level openly and directly argue with each other - way too much can go wrong way too fast and you might end up with coaches trying to exchange more than words. Nobody comes to the ballpark to watch a couple Bobby Hill look-alike dad-coaches roll around in the dirt. 2) The umps are engaging in too much talk with the coach. Stop trying to play peacekeeper - these are supposed to be adults and role models. A good rule of thumb is hearing the same phrases again means the coach has nothing new to say and is now simply leaning on the drama queen button. For both of these, a clear and politely professional "That's enough, coach" warning will hopefully bring it to an end. If not, eject him and get the game moving again. If he doesn't want to leave, put the onus on the assistant(s) to make him go away in two minutes or less or the game is forfeited 1-0.
Good Points. The umpires didn't take much control. Was the kid ejected or not? At what time would you have sent the coach in white to the shower? As soon as he accused the opposing coaches of something (1:39) I would have told him to go to the bench. If he did not, he'd be gone. I can't believe they have 2 umpires for a coach-pitch 8u Game
I would have given him a warning the moment he started to dig into the other coach. If he didn't stop immediately (and I do mean right then and there), I would eject him. As for carrying on like he did, the moment I start hearing the same stuff, I would give him a warning ("That's enough, Coach.") and then bounce him if he doesn't immediately stop. Once they hit the rewind button, I hit the warning button - it's that simple.
Mike Coleman I have never seen umpires used at this level. It’s usually the coaches who act as instructors (such as telling a runner that he can’t run into the catcher), and there is usually very little in the way of arguing. If a coach can’t understand this, then he shouldn’t be coaching.
Mike Coleman Yes, it’s different everywhere. It’s also been a while since I umpired, and as my health deteriorated, I haven’t worked. Once I joined an association, (and I was a baseball, not softball umpire), I was usually working older levels of baseball (high school, American Legion), college age (not actual college games - I never had a chance to get certified NCAA, though I would have, if I had had the time), and men’s leagues. But the lowest level I worked (often volunteering) was 10-12 years. Back then, younger than ten kids hit off a tee, and the coaches did the umpiring. At that age, you would often see all nine fielders running after the ball, and things like that. (The under ten league often played on an adjacent field). I live in New England, so our seasons were generally shorter, because of the climate. People like to post videos of confrontations and ejections, but in my experience, the vast majority of the of the games I did were uneventful, with very few ejections, and with grateful coaches (in the youth leagues) and parents (they did not want to be asked to umpire). And when a quirky play occurred, I never had a problem with a coach asking about the play, and applicable rule(s), and was very willing to explain the situation. They were usually civil (with a few, rare, exceptions), and as this was an instructional level, I didn’t mind taking a bit of time to explain a rule, or why I called what I called. At that level, most coaches were parents, so they were learning also. And most had their priorities correct. It was just a game, and was supposed to be fun. So sometimes these videos can create a false impression of what youth sports is like. Most of the time, there is no controversy.
He sure did. He stayed with it all the way knowing the runner was coming. The runner was out and in a much more competitive level, I would have ejected him. He intentionally ran right into the catcher as if it was a football game. he could have done something else. Either way, the kid was caught dead on arrival. Jesus, my first check would have been to ensure the catcher was ok. He took a big hit there. Great job on the catcher.
@@Jp-ml8dm uh, if the catcher is blocking the plate, charge him. Runner will get called out for dodging base lines. So, runner did the right thing. Adults included, need to not be so soft. When my 9 year old is running to home, dont get caught blocking the plate. Js. Cause he ain't stopping either. And it's not unsportsmanlike, its baseball Jack.
@@flowpuppie84 The runner intentionally ran into the catcher. It is an out and ejection, every time. You would be giving your son bad advice. The idea that they are "soft" isn't the issue. Its the rule.
@@chriswinchester5253 No Malicious Contact. Malicious contact being defined as lowering of shoulder, throwing an elbow or contact with the intent to injure or dislodge the ball
@@scottdaniels3947 I got all of the coach pitch stuff. My confusion comes from the same coach arguing the 2nd call. That one would be in his team's favor if he's with the catcher.
Except they have a reason to be pissed here. The rules say that the runner should have been out and ejected. As it malicious contact. The worst parent issues I had was when an injury happened from a collision. Luckily no one was actually hurt. One of the kids was just a little shaken up. But I thought there was going to be a fist fight because the coaches were high giving a kid of doing an illegal and dirty slide.
Coaches and parents need to chill out period. *Maybe* scream when the kid gets to college (of course, all the parents think these kids will be getting D1 scholarships :-D). Before that, acting link this is simply embarrassing and uncalled for.
@@jackjon7763 it depends on the league. “Malicious contact” is a high school rule. There’s nothing specifically about malicious contact in Little League rules.
@@450thParatroopermost little league rules state that they have specific rules for just their league and everything else is covered by NFHS. For example my kids league has a “must slide at home if a play is imminent”, but there isn’t a must slide rule in NFHS.
i love that you pointed out how no one checked on the players. as an umpire it is sad to see that the ump didn't ask if he was okay. yes it isn't our job, just safety is way more important than arguing with coaches. i am not a baseball umpire so i cant comment on anything else other than that. rules are different everywhere!
As umpire, safety 1st.Always check on player no matter what age.Also umpire should have thrown runner out running into catcher..The rule is slide an avoid, not running someone over...Also,u give the coach his say and then say enough coach and move on...
I've both coached, and refereed from T-ball to high school age in multiple sports, and have had my good and bad days at both. I've seen umpires ruin it for everyone too, by either being incompetent, or when they betray the trust, and cheat for a team. Don't say it doesn't happen, and it's probably worse when they kids are younger. There are times when they need to be called out for it, and it's the manager's job to stand up for his team. If he doesn't, who will?
Actually, the fact that he was forced to move into the base path to catch the ball prevented this from being safe for obstruction. Baserunner should have made every possible effort to avoid collision. Should have been ejected for lowering his head and plowing in to catcher.
@@gpfire146 I'm saying the runner plowed into catcher, especially at this age there should have been ejection. This is Coach pitch good God Almighty! The coach from that catcher Plowing baserunner should be ejected as well. Too young for this play, especially since it is no longer legal in the big leagues.
My guess is there is a slide rule in this league . I once was ejected because the league I coached in had one, but that didn't stop a bigger kid from mowing down my catcher and hurting him. I did lose it for a minute and was tossed. Opposing coach came to my home after the game and appoligized nice gentleman.
Unless I am missing something, and I did not read all 281 comments, it seems though he could have found a better way to express the situation, the coach being framed as losing his mind is at minimum rightfully upset. His 8U catcher just GOT PLOWED. That can't happen in an 8U game, it can't happen in a MLB game any longer. That is an insane play.
agree 100%, I wouldnt argue with coaches. I would go straight to the umpire for a calling. our rule set for travel ball and rec ball have rules against all of this.. such a disgrace this was even allowed to happen.
The fact of the matter is that sometimes collisons happen when playing sports like this. The only option the umpire would have here would be to eject that kid. Do you honestly believe he did if on purpose? It was at most a half second decision where the 8 year old kid is sprinting, full speed, back turned away from the play. He was called out at the plate. Had the tag not occurred, then he could/should have been called out for the collision, but that's it.
@@johndimarzio8966 back turned away from the play? He dropped his shoulder, he knew what he was doing. No, the 8U runner should not be ejected. Every single one of his coaches should be though. That play can no longer happen at the highest level of the game. It was not just "collisions" happen in sports. A runner accidentally runs into a firstbasemen who gets pulled by an errant throw, a runner and infielder collide when misjudging each other or lacking an understanding of the baseline. But in this instance it is not a half second decision, it is not instinct, it is a taught play. Can't happen. On the flipside, catcher can't be in the position he was in. Overall, it was bad coaching all around that put two 8-9 year olds in a terrible spot.
@@patrickboegel I don't even know how to respond to this. You think the coaches instructed the kid to drop his shoulder? That is highly unlikely (especially based on the opposing coach's demeanor during the arguments). I would be willing to bet that its an instictive reaction to finding a person in front of you, while running full speed and an 8 year old making a split second decision.
John DiMarzio even if you were right on the technicalities of the play, which you aren’t, it’s still an automatic ejection. Has been in youth ball for at least 3 decades & could be grounds for forfeit.
The runner was out even if the catcher drops/or doesn't catch the ball because the rule is you must slide feet first if there is a play at the plate or base. And there is a point where the runner can be ejected for DOZING over the catcher.
He had nearly no other option. The runner is safe because the catcher is blocking the whole entire plate the runner has to have at least a corner by rule
@@thomascarpenter8546I don't care about your opinion. The catcher has the ball in his hand and the runner only has one option. To slide. The rule clearly states you can not run into a catcher with the ball in his hands. PERIOD. Your opinion means squat. The ONLY thing that matter is what the rules say. The runner must slide into home. That's a rule from little kids on up to high school. You can not go through another player to get to the plate. It's an easy google. I have been umpiring for years and this is far too easy to call. Player is ejected. PERIOD. No exceptions.
@@tawtam1 and that's why we have a bunch of crybabies running around screaming about how offended they are any time someone says something they don't like. If the catcher is blocking the plate he or she is getting their butt ran over.
Great job by one of the coaches to call the players in to pitchers mound to get the other kids attention on something other than the arguing, Hats off to that coach who did it twice!
Man I coach 8u football and I get into the games to help keep the kids moral up, but I could never imagine getting THIS emotional and out of control over an 8u game lol
I hate leagues that have coaches on the field. Let the kids play. I taught a T-ball team how to relay the ball on the first practice, and saw them field a ball hit to the fence, and make a straight line, and get the ball home before the batter-runner, except of course in T-ball, you put the kid who can't catch at catcher so he was safe. I should have directed the pitcher, usually the best fielder to cover home, but I was so excited that they made that play, I felt like they'd just won the World Series. Get the adults off the field; immediately; . . if not sooner.
Out at home, runner lowered shoulder. Umpire discretion on ejecting player, but definitely out at home. Catcher had the ball, so definitely no interference.
This is 100% correct. And i completely understand why umpire didnt eject an 8 year old on a bang-bang play. The only thing umpire did wrong here was not control the situation after the call.
Man these poor umps. Granted, they lost control of the game really quickly and easily. After that first play, its likely that I would have issued multiple ejections. First thing is first, get control of the game...
Lol… you saw an 8 year old make one routine catch then manage to hang onto the ball during a collision at home and that’s why you think he’s a natural that’s going to go far?? Never mind if he can even hit or throw? You have to be his mother or just crazy…
8U explained the best I have heard it (from a fellow umpire). "It's the kids first time at "real baseball" (not T-Ball), but remember it's the first time for "real baseball" for the coaches and parents". They are all Rookies! 8U coaches and parents often make other levels look calm.
According to the rules the batter should have been ejected. You cannot lower your head or shoulder to make contact with the catcher. Depending on the league the head coach should have been ejected too.
Tyler Wressel actually the catcher is allowed to field the ball wherever the ball goes the runner should be ejected due to the fact that he ran over the catcher this is a rule in the mlb now to help there safety it’s even more important for 8u kids
@@bldwn5708 You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. This has been against the rules in youth baseball for at least the last 30 years, probably even longer.
I played catcher back in Little league, our coach had a drill called Bring it Home. The whole team lined up on third, coach would signal the runner, hold the ball till the last second and toss it to me. Their job: Bring it Home. My job: Knock their FEETS outa their CLEATS and hold the ball.
Linder !!!! No the catcher had the ball first. Either way the runner needs to avoid contact. If that causes an out due to obstruction than you can call it.
As someone who used to play catcher, I love how the catcher here immediately knows to show the ump that he still has the ball. I especially love how excited he was when he did it, right after making a great play. And no, nothing dirty on either side. If the parents and coaches weren't there, play would have resumed immediately, after a few "oohs", "ahhs, and "attaboys". And this is u8? Are you kidding me? This is the equivalent of peewees when/were I played. The kids weren't even pitching, and they'd normally let a kid stay at bat until he got a hit(or got like 7 or 8 strikes), and nobody even kept score(at least not officially.)
agree on most of what you wrote. couldn't figure out if this was travel team or not. coach pitching does seem weird when looking at talent on both sides. game moves faster with coach pitching, but you don't develop pitchers... SLIDE AT HOME: most leagues have a rule that you can't run a catcher or other position player over. in my LL, kid would have been out automatically. didn't seem like malice was involved, but kid would be out
@@alaskaguyd963 Oh baloney. They're kids, the same size as one another. We used to bulldog at the plate all the time in youth baseball until wimpy parents made up the mandatory slide rule. I recall being backflipped tagging out a kid at the plate; landed on my backside on home plate, and just like this kid, I got up proud, showed the ball, dusted myself off, and got ready for the next pitch. The worst injury I ever saw was when a kid slid into home plate, and into the catcher's cleats that buried in his knee; three perfect puncture marks right below his kneecap. Yeah, that was before the squeamish made us stop wearing steel cleats. Took all of the fun out of it.
@@jhandle4196 Hey everybody look at me I'm the toughest edgiest guy on the internet. When I was a kid we had razor blade cleats and ran uphill from first base all the way home. I bet I could throw football over that mountain... If only coach had put me in 4th quarter we woulda won state...
That’s why I stuck to playing football. It was none of this involved maybe a full on team vs team brawl but not all the babykins go hit that ball big boy kisses from momma in the stands while coach pulls a hemroid out on the umpire. This man belongs coaching Football at the University of Alabama. Him and Saban would be unstoppable.
What you don't seem to understand is the relationship a coach has for his players. Seeing one of his players get plowed over will not sit well with a coach that cares. It was a dirty play by the runner.. lowered his shoulder and never tried to evade the tag. At 8u this means the boy was taught this tactic by his coach or his parents. Know the rules.. you can't run over the catch even at the High School level. The boy and the coach should have been tossed. I was happy to see the coach of the catcher sticking up for his player. He voiced his opinion loudly (I don't blame him) with no signs of being physical. Know the rules parents! Coaches, teach these young boys how to play the game right.
Even if you were taught this, how often do you listen to anything if you're eight years old....Could have learned it watching football, I don't know just a thought..These parents payed to have their children play the sport anyway, KNOWING the consequences that could happen..But go ahead and make it more dramatic than it should be, because one little kid getting tackled is far more important than children starving to death, being shot, or murdered in other countries.
I mean at 8 years old I maybe had 1 practice and 1-2 games a week for 6 weeks of the summer. And we ran into each other all the time on accident. And I played with plenty of kids who were terrible and oblivious to rules lol. And the coaches were just 2 of the kids dads. You don’t really cover a lot of base running techniques when you have to first make sure a kid can throw or isn’t afraid of the ball or can just make it practice.
@@petervann8863 nah in my country my coach literally brush me of the plate but then now I'm good at hitting high inside pitches but vulnerable with low inside pitches and outside pitches
The 8u rule book says you have to slide to avoid malicious contact and its up to the umps discretion as to whether it malicious enough to eject the player.
Not in NJ and not in Babe Ruth, USABL and Cal Ripken. You can only slide head first going back to a base. Not unitl the age of 11u can you slide head first and not into home. 13u head first into home.
When I read through the rule book, it said they could (in Ga) as long as their helmet does not have a face mask... I questioned whether that was a typo or not. But that's what our rule book says.
3 things: 1) It looks like someone forgot to take his Blood Pressure meds that morning. You would think that it was a world series game. 2) The biggest person hurt by this was not the catcher, but the kid of that coach who was embarrassed by his dad going off like that. 3) I doubt these umpires have covered the training on game management yet. Because if they did that coach would have been tossed long ago. And I agree with a few of the previous posters, that this is exactly why there is a shortage of umpires. The kids want to play and have fun. With this kind of behaviour nobody has fun.
Thinking the same thing. No game management skills. I hate moms yelling their "wisdom" from the bleachers, but the one lady was right when she yelled "come on let's play ball".
That kid had absolutely ZERO intention to slide. I don't know of any youth baseball league whose rules wouldn't have that runner ejected. There may be a league or two out there that doesn't, but I don't know of any. I then look towards the coaches for not teaching their kids better than that. Because that runner had zero intent to slide, I look at it as the coaches have never taught them that they must. I think that is where most of the anger from the opposing coach is coming from. The red team's coaching staff's inability to teach their kids how to play properly has put other player's safety at stake. Finally, I'm putting the rest on the umpire. He didn't properly control the situation, allowing coaches to go at each other and doing way too much talking with all of them. The player should have been ejected, and once the coaches were talked to and they showed they weren't going to stop they should have been restricted to their benches and given a final warning. If and when they continued, ejections of coaches should have started. If they can't follow those directions and they still continue then the game should be ended immediately.
Just wondering do you have a child in this league? What league is it and what state? In NJ under Cal Ripken and Babe Ruth Rules we start kids modified pitching at 7u and Full pitching at 8u travel. 9u rec is full kid pitch vs 10s and 8 and 9u travel under USABL the kids can steal home after the ball crosses the plate.
In California little league. We do coach at 6u, Machine Pitch at 7u and kids pitch above that. But it breaks down not so much with age but division. Tee Ball 4-5 yrs Coach Pitch 5-6 yrs Single A Machine Pitch 6-7 yrs Double AA to Majors Division Kids Pitch 8-12 yrs Pony the kids pitch from Pinto division which is the same as LL AA. So I would say 7-8 is when kids start pitching. Depending on whether the kid plays up or not.
It's a simple call. The rule is “slide, or attempt to get around.” The key in this situation is, “the fielder has the ball and is waiting to make a tag.” If the fielder (any fielder, not just the catcher) does not have the ball, and there is a collision, you CANNOT call the runner out. The catcher had the ball before the collision so the runner is OUT. Like it has been mentioned by others its the Umpires responsibility to keep the kids safe.
Seriously? As a minor coach im disgusted. This happens all to frequently. As if the outcome actually matters?? Your not teaching the kids anything useful.
A. The umps are doing their best in trying circumstances. You couldn't pay me enough to ump little league games like this. B. 1:45 The Umpires have lost control. You have coaches arguing with each other. The umps need to stop that immediately, not talk among themselves while that goes on. C. At 3:55 the ump on the 3rd base line is watching the play at first, and the field ump is watching for a play at home. (The 3rd base line ump might not have a good view of a play at the plate, I don't know.) But at 4:10, the umps confer (as they should to make sure they get the call right), and the 3rd base ump tells the field ump that the kid at first was out. They tell him he's out and he heads to the dugout. Then at 4:40 or so, the umps lose control again. Give a warning that if it continues, they will forfeit the game. Then stick to it. I get that they want to let the kids play if possible, but hey, you can teach the kids a good lesson by showing them that sportsmanship matters, and poor decisions can have consequences. D. This is why you need someone from the league at every game. Cheers.
First of all, why are there 2 umpires for a 8u game? I do all my 8u games solo. Second, home plate umpire out of position. Still makes correct call. In the league a umpire for the runner would be out and then thrown out of the game for malicious contact.
That is an out and an ejection at the plate for malicious contact. No level of ball allows the catcher to be run over like that anymore. With that said, the coach should have been upset about the fact the catcher was plowed over on the play. I'm not sure what this umpire was doing though. Even on coach pitch would should be close to the line behind the batter so you can see fair and foul. This guy is way out of position to umpire this level. (I am speaking from experience as I do umpire coach pitch through adult leagues in softball and baseball).
A judgement call. Listen to the coach, then tell him, "Coach, it's a judgement call. I heard your concerns, but in my judgement, my call stands & the runner is out. Now, please attend to your player, (runner) who may be injured." Anything after that, restrict him to the bench or toss him!
Runner should have been ejected automatically for plowing the catcher, who had the ball and had the right to the baseline. It's not a judgment call, it's an automatic ejection of the runner. I would have been upset if I had been the coach also. However, the coach took it way too far and should have been sent back to the bench, and if he didn't go, then ejected. Second play was really close at first, and the base ump just stood there and didn't make his call. So, poor umping all around, but the coach needs to get control of himself.
@@critter2 I completely disagree. Kids this age most definitely can and should know better than do what that runner did. That was not accidental or something that happened at the last second as instinctual. That runner finished that play like a football player getting through a defender for an extra yard. If you want to say you can't blame the kids because of their age, then I blame the coaches for not taking the time to teach them differently. Those kids should know better.
@@tyreefoster5291 The idea that you can watch this video and say with a clear conscience that the 8 year old kid purposefully plowed over a kid to get to the plate is absurd. This was the essence of a bang-bang play. Runner has his back turned to the play and only has a fraction of a second to react. Its an out if theres no tag, but an ejection? Unless the rules require ejection (rules rarely require automatic ejection if there is no deemed intent but require automatic out calls) this is NOT ejectable.
@@johndimarzio8966 Are we watching two different videos here??? The runner lowers his shoulder and gets low to go through the catcher. That's not a runner that is clueless as to what's going on with where the ball is or is about to be. OR if that is what you want to assume, then the runner was going to run through the catcher regardless of whether there was going to be a play at the plate or not. That is clear and that is where my judgment is coming from. In both circumstances that player is way wrong. Now you could shift the blame to that coaching staff for not properly teaching players that they must slide and that they can not run through a catcher. But what you can't do is try to say, it was just a bang bang play and nothing you could do, kids will be kids. As I stated, and what would appear to be obvious and inarguable in my opinion, that kid intentionally ran through that catcher, period.
Since the runner didnt lower his shoulder I would have called him out, which he was, and told the coach, " you take care of this or i will". Which means, coach pulls the runner for the remainder of the game and he can play the next game. Or, I, the umpire, can eject him and the runner is done for the that game and the next. The runner cant think that play was ok. He has to be punished.
@@nsswaha15123 Nick yes actually you do have to make an attempt to slide. Technically the base runner should have been ejected for not attempting to evade the tag or slide. With this being 8U, it should have been a teachable moment, not she sh*t show it turned in to. No one should have left dugout except head coach, and he should have had a calm discussion with the umpires and other coach.
schneid5252 I’m not saying what happened was good or right all I’m saying is what he said was wrong. There is no rule anywhere saying that you have to slide. The rule actually says the complete opposite
@@nsswaha15123 So the rule in baseball through at least high school says that instead of making at attempt at sliding at home plate, you are to initiate collision with the catcher? That's the opposite of what I said. Good luck with that one Nick.
@@nsswaha15123 Also Nick...here is the rule in the Little League rule book on running over the catcher. Rule 7.08(a)(3) in the Little League rule book states that "a runner is out when the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag."
I didn't see anyone "lose it"...I guess with all the pansy ass kids being raised today this could be considered extreme? I'm soooooo glad I grew up in the 70's....
I didn't see what I would classify as "losing it" either. What I saw was a grown man stomping his feet and acting younger than the kids he is coaching.
Those kids are Lucky to have a Major League Coach come down and show them how it’s done. At that level, I’m pretty sure head first sliding is illegal. Yes, the catcher was up the line without the ball. Great throw tho. A learning experience.
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Are we all just gonna ignore the fact the catcher is a beast??!!?
Leave it to a kid from Hickory to make the boss comment. Don't get caught watching the paint dry.
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Jimmy Chitwood I know right!!! Mad ninja skills he has! Keep an eye out for that one in the MLB!!!
He took that hit like a champ!!
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Good to see all these dads still chasing that elusive state championship that's haunted them for so many years.
Sorta like Uncle Rico
I bet none of them played sports.
@@mariocanales4735or if they did play, they were probably really bad at it!
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@@josephconner3742naw, they were probably decent for their time
Adults, the worst thing about youth sports.
Bingo.
Rephrase...Parents are the worst thing in youth sports all the way thru high school.
@The California Citizens Watch There are good umpires that have some degree of passion for what they do, but they usually don't ump youth sports. The people that DO ump youth sports typically do so to pick up a few extra bucks on the weekend, and by few I mean several $100. Many of these umps don't pay that close attention and often turn to the crowd to get the count. These people know who they are, but they are not going to quit because they like the easy money. I once asked a rec league umpire before the game, are you going to have an expanded strike zone today? It was a legit question and she knew it. She responded, "Yep, otherwise we will be here all day!" I asked her how far off the plate will she give the pitcher, she said 6 inches. I said how high? She said, "chin". I thanked her and told her to have a good game. Then I told my daughter so she would know what to expect.
I agree completely. I umpire little league and the worst thing about it is the parents who think they know everything and the coaches who question every call and come into the game trying to start problems. However this video shows what I have been thinking for years. These issues with adults are the worst at the lower age groups. 8u and 10u where I umpire, over the last 2 years I’ve thrown 2 coaches 1 on 8u and 1 on 10u. Never even had a problem with ages above that including travel ball.
Yep
I coached youth league baseball for several years. It amazes me that parents allow their kids to be coached by a hot head coach like this. I assure you , this is not the first time he’s acted like this and not just in the game. Don’t let your children be subjected to this kind of coaching no matter his win record.
Kids first.
Parents are just as bad. Don’t know the rules and love these kinds of coaches because they think they know the rules too. So go with it. Had so many parents screaming and hollering over stupid shit. No one getting a scholarship at this game.
The problem is the delusions of grandeur by coaches and parents. Newsflash - Arsenal isn't sending scouts to your kid's travel league game and the MLB isn't eyeing you for a minor league manager slot.
coach brad never does this he coaches me he don’t do this he yelled this cuz the coach said “run him over”
@Low_iq_gamer and that's exactly what you're supposed to do when the catcher is standing on the baseline. Play the sport or don't
@@brandonwright7950 Lowering your shoulder? Nah....that's been out every level of baseball for years.
For being 8u teams there's quite a bit of talent on the field already. Great throw home, even better play by the catcher to hold on!
Lot of travel ball teams look like that, lots of practice, higher standards
Respect to that catcher for making the play even when he got hurt
Yeah terrible call by the ump tho. I would've called obstruction on the catcher for blocking the running lane without the ball. Runner had no choice but to run the catcher over. Good hold on the ball once he did get it but should've been a safe call and then someone should've checked on catcher.
The way the kid holds up the ball! What a legend
Calls aside, the umps made two key mistakes:
1) Never, ever let opposing coaches at any level openly and directly argue with each other - way too much can go wrong way too fast and you might end up with coaches trying to exchange more than words. Nobody comes to the ballpark to watch a couple Bobby Hill look-alike dad-coaches roll around in the dirt.
2) The umps are engaging in too much talk with the coach. Stop trying to play peacekeeper - these are supposed to be adults and role models. A good rule of thumb is hearing the same phrases again means the coach has nothing new to say and is now simply leaning on the drama queen button.
For both of these, a clear and politely professional "That's enough, coach" warning will hopefully bring it to an end. If not, eject him and get the game moving again. If he doesn't want to leave, put the onus on the assistant(s) to make him go away in two minutes or less or the game is forfeited 1-0.
Good Points. The umpires didn't take much control. Was the kid ejected or not?
At what time would you have sent the coach in white to the shower? As soon as he accused the opposing coaches of something (1:39) I would have told him to go to the bench. If he did not, he'd be gone.
I can't believe they have 2 umpires for a coach-pitch 8u Game
I would have given him a warning the moment he started to dig into the other coach. If he didn't stop immediately (and I do mean right then and there), I would eject him.
As for carrying on like he did, the moment I start hearing the same stuff, I would give him a warning ("That's enough, Coach.") and then bounce him if he doesn't immediately stop. Once they hit the rewind button, I hit the warning button - it's that simple.
Mike Coleman I have never seen umpires used at this level. It’s usually the coaches who act as instructors (such as telling a runner that he can’t run into the catcher), and there is usually very little in the way of arguing. If a coach can’t understand this, then he shouldn’t be coaching.
Around our area, what I will call the non-rec leagues (USSSA, etc) do have umpires from 8U on up.
Mike Coleman Yes, it’s different everywhere. It’s also been a while since I umpired, and as my health deteriorated, I haven’t worked. Once I joined an association, (and I was a baseball, not softball umpire), I was usually working older levels of baseball (high school, American Legion), college age (not actual college games - I never had a chance to get certified NCAA, though I would have, if I had had the time), and men’s leagues.
But the lowest level I worked (often volunteering) was 10-12 years. Back then, younger than ten kids hit off a tee, and the coaches did the umpiring. At that age, you would often see all nine fielders running after the ball, and things like that. (The under ten league often played on an adjacent field).
I live in New England, so our seasons were generally shorter, because of the climate.
People like to post videos of confrontations and ejections, but in my experience, the vast majority of the of the games I did were uneventful, with very few ejections, and with grateful coaches (in the youth leagues) and parents (they did not want to be asked to umpire).
And when a quirky play occurred, I never had a problem with a coach asking about the play, and applicable rule(s), and was very willing to explain the situation. They were usually civil (with a few, rare, exceptions), and as this was an instructional level, I didn’t mind taking a bit of time to explain a rule, or why I called what I called. At that level, most coaches were parents, so they were learning also. And most had their priorities correct. It was just a game, and was supposed to be fun.
So sometimes these videos can create a false impression of what youth sports is like. Most of the time, there is no controversy.
Catcher made a dang good play!
He sure did. He stayed with it all the way knowing the runner was coming. The runner was out and in a much more competitive level, I would have ejected him. He intentionally ran right into the catcher as if it was a football game. he could have done something else. Either way, the kid was caught dead on arrival. Jesus, my first check would have been to ensure the catcher was ok. He took a big hit there. Great job on the catcher.
@@Jp-ml8dm uh, if the catcher is blocking the plate, charge him. Runner will get called out for dodging base lines. So, runner did the right thing. Adults included, need to not be so soft. When my 9 year old is running to home, dont get caught blocking the plate. Js. Cause he ain't stopping either. And it's not unsportsmanlike, its baseball Jack.
@@flowpuppie84 The runner intentionally ran into the catcher. It is an out and ejection, every time. You would be giving your son bad advice. The idea that they are "soft" isn't the issue. Its the rule.
Matt Moehring state the rule please.
@@chriswinchester5253 No Malicious Contact. Malicious contact being defined as lowering of shoulder, throwing an elbow or contact with the intent to injure or dislodge the ball
Safe to say nobody here's gonna be splittin the atom Marty..
This guy is gonna go down as the greatest 8u coach ever. Winning multiple championships in the 8u division....says no one ever!! 😂
He’s a pole smoker
The guy was just upset at the coaches teaching kids in u-8 to take the catcher out like that
It was his player that took out the catcher.
@@eddiehammond8165 This is coach pitch. You pitch to your own team. The coach that was freaking out was the coach of the catcher.
@@scottdaniels3947 I got all of the coach pitch stuff.
My confusion comes from the same coach arguing the 2nd call.
That one would be in his team's favor if he's with the catcher.
“Ain’t nobody checkin on’ the baby!” Damn that’s southern
You spelled it wrong. In this context it should be "baa-aby". 😀
Seems way more northern parenting to me. I mean, isn’t having a child to use as a piece of furniture one of the prerequisites to northern citizenship?
@@chrisledbetter9278 they mean the accent
@@chrisledbetter9278 what
“NOT A SOOOUL is checkin on that chile”
Catcher was awesome he even sat back up to show he completed the tag and then worried about his head.
That's what I always taught my baseball, and softball teams; get the out first, then say ouch.
Lol arguing calls in coach pitch...stay classy clowns
Seriously, coaches and parents need to chill the fuck out until at least 12U
Except they have a reason to be pissed here. The rules say that the runner should have been out and ejected. As it malicious contact. The worst parent issues I had was when an injury happened from a collision. Luckily no one was actually hurt. One of the kids was just a little shaken up. But I thought there was going to be a fist fight because the coaches were high giving a kid of doing an illegal and dirty slide.
Coaches and parents need to chill out period. *Maybe* scream when the kid gets to college (of course, all the parents think these kids will be getting D1 scholarships :-D). Before that, acting link this is simply embarrassing and uncalled for.
@@jackjon7763 it depends on the league. “Malicious contact” is a high school rule. There’s nothing specifically about malicious contact in Little League rules.
@@450thParatroopermost little league rules state that they have specific rules for just their league and everything else is covered by NFHS.
For example my kids league has a “must slide at home if a play is imminent”, but there isn’t a must slide rule in NFHS.
1:57 LeTs PlAy BaLl AnD ShUt Up!!! Lol 😂
I was rolling at that. 🤣
i love that you pointed out how no one checked on the players. as an umpire it is sad to see that the ump didn't ask if he was okay. yes it isn't our job, just safety is way more important than arguing with coaches. i am not a baseball umpire so i cant comment on anything else other than that. rules are different everywhere!
As umpire, safety 1st.Always check on player no matter what age.Also umpire should have thrown runner out running into catcher..The rule is slide an avoid, not running someone over...Also,u give the coach his say and then say enough coach and move on...
That catcher is a straight beast. Bet he's fun to coach.
Catcher has CTE from listening to the moms in the stands.
Really 8 and under. Time for the fans and coaches to leave and just let the kids play.
@@Mystic_214 part of the game no?
its funny how the thing that ruins little league, is usually the adult
MyStiCxHacKzZ i would’ve pushed em down becuase he is blocking the baseline. Thats like saying 1st base can hold the runner so they cant advance
AMEN TO THAT! BAD NEWS BEARS STYLE!
@@YE-om1gl false. you can stand in the baseline, as long as you have the ball with the intent of tagging them out.
"HE WONTS TA FIIIITE" - Becky
this is pure gold right here!!!😂😂👍🏻👍🏻
6:15 "he's actin lak a fuule" - 🤠
And coaches wonder why they cant get umpires to call there game, coach its only a game
Jay 1 he’s mad because the kid ran over the catcher which is illegal
@@parkerrobertson25 No it's not are u kidding me? If a catcher is blocking the basepath you can bulldoze him all the time.
FlamingDagger77 not in little league you idiot
He purposely ran him over
At no time, in any amatuer sport are you allowed to "bulldoze" any player on a ballfield, it's called malicious contact and the offender is ejected .
Coach only argues when he's been drinking...
The throw took him into the base path and the kid never dropped the ball good all around play by the catcher if you ask me
I umpired this age group for many years. It is so sad how coaches and parents ruin the game for children.
I've both coached, and refereed from T-ball to high school age in multiple sports, and have had my good and bad days at both. I've seen umpires ruin it for everyone too, by either being incompetent, or when they betray the trust, and cheat for a team. Don't say it doesn't happen, and it's probably worse when they kids are younger. There are times when they need to be called out for it, and it's the manager's job to stand up for his team.
If he doesn't, who will?
You mean umpires
The first play at home is the greatest 8u catcher standing their ground for the ball that I’ve ever seen. You’re out!
Actually, the fact that he was forced to move into the base path to catch the ball prevented this from being safe for obstruction.
Baserunner should have made every possible effort to avoid collision. Should have been ejected for lowering his head and plowing in to catcher.
Exactly. Still a badass 8 y/o catch and hold.
@@gpfire146 Not if rules are in place to allow him to play in future by preventing needless injuries.
Who are you defending?
@@gpfire146 I'm saying the runner plowed into catcher, especially at this age there should have been ejection. This is Coach pitch good God Almighty! The coach from that catcher Plowing baserunner should be ejected as well.
Too young for this play, especially since it is no longer legal in the big leagues.
Base umpire was not even looking at the play at 1st
The reason I quit umpiring. When the church teams start cussing you out its time to go
🤣😂😂🤣
Church leagues are horrible. I started a training class... "Ejections and why we need more of them"
Just means they’re sinning faster and harder lol.
Kids fine . He’s walkin and breathin . He’ll be alright
My guess is there is a slide rule in this league . I once was ejected because the league I coached in had one, but that didn't stop a bigger kid from mowing down my catcher and hurting him. I did lose it for a minute and was tossed. Opposing coach came to my home after the game and appoligized nice gentleman.
Unless I am missing something, and I did not read all 281 comments, it seems though he could have found a better way to express the situation, the coach being framed as losing his mind is at minimum rightfully upset. His 8U catcher just GOT PLOWED. That can't happen in an 8U game, it can't happen in a MLB game any longer. That is an insane play.
agree 100%, I wouldnt argue with coaches. I would go straight to the umpire for a calling. our rule set for travel ball and rec ball have rules against all of this.. such a disgrace this was even allowed to happen.
The fact of the matter is that sometimes collisons happen when playing sports like this. The only option the umpire would have here would be to eject that kid. Do you honestly believe he did if on purpose? It was at most a half second decision where the 8 year old kid is sprinting, full speed, back turned away from the play. He was called out at the plate. Had the tag not occurred, then he could/should have been called out for the collision, but that's it.
@@johndimarzio8966 back turned away from the play? He dropped his shoulder, he knew what he was doing. No, the 8U runner should not be ejected. Every single one of his coaches should be though. That play can no longer happen at the highest level of the game. It was not just "collisions" happen in sports. A runner accidentally runs into a firstbasemen who gets pulled by an errant throw, a runner and infielder collide when misjudging each other or lacking an understanding of the baseline. But in this instance it is not a half second decision, it is not instinct, it is a taught play. Can't happen. On the flipside, catcher can't be in the position he was in. Overall, it was bad coaching all around that put two 8-9 year olds in a terrible spot.
@@patrickboegel I don't even know how to respond to this. You think the coaches instructed the kid to drop his shoulder? That is highly unlikely (especially based on the opposing coach's demeanor during the arguments). I would be willing to bet that its an instictive reaction to finding a person in front of you, while running full speed and an 8 year old making a split second decision.
John DiMarzio even if you were right on the technicalities of the play, which you aren’t, it’s still an automatic ejection. Has been in youth ball for at least 3 decades & could be grounds for forfeit.
Doesn't look like the players are having much FUN!!!
Maybe they'll fight like in Colorado. Crazy coaches and parents.
When I played dixie youth baseball, parents kept their yappers shut. They just cheered the kids.
The runner was out even if the catcher drops/or doesn't catch the ball because the rule is you must slide feet first if there is a play at the plate or base. And there is a point where the runner can be ejected for DOZING over the catcher.
Finally someone with a clue!
U don’t HAVE to slide FEET first
You are correct! But you also cannot pummel the catcher.
He had nearly no other option. The runner is safe because the catcher is blocking the whole entire plate the runner has to have at least a corner by rule
@@h0m1ess Wrong. Even if the catcher illegally blocks the plate, the runner cannot crash him. Malicious contact always supersedes obstruction.
Well, the kid was out. It was a baseball play. And the catcher made the play. Good job.
no it's not a baseball play. It's actually illegal to run over the catcher with the ball.
@@tawtam1 it was a baseball play. If the catcher has the ball blocking the plate the only way to the plate is through him. It's baseball. Not soccer.
@@thomascarpenter8546I don't care about your opinion. The catcher has the ball in his hand and the runner only has one option. To slide. The rule clearly states you can not run into a catcher with the ball in his hands. PERIOD. Your opinion means squat. The ONLY thing that matter is what the rules say. The runner must slide into home. That's a rule from little kids on up to high school. You can not go through another player to get to the plate. It's an easy google. I have been umpiring for years and this is far too easy to call. Player is ejected. PERIOD. No exceptions.
@@tawtam1 and that's why we have a bunch of crybabies running around screaming about how offended they are any time someone says something they don't like. If the catcher is blocking the plate he or she is getting their butt ran over.
@@thomascarpenter8546 Did you take the time out to look up the rules???
Great job by one of the coaches to call the players in to pitchers mound to get the other kids attention on something other than the arguing, Hats off to that coach who did it twice!
Man I coach 8u football and I get into the games to help keep the kids moral up, but I could never imagine getting THIS emotional and out of control over an 8u game lol
"These kids are watching y'all."
Amen sister.
It's pretty clear that more dad "coaches" are needed on the field. 8 dads is just not enough.
I hate leagues that have coaches on the field. Let the kids play.
I taught a T-ball team how to relay the ball on the first practice, and saw them field a ball hit to the fence, and make a straight line, and get the ball home before the batter-runner,
except of course in T-ball, you put the kid who can't catch at catcher so he was safe.
I should have directed the pitcher, usually the best fielder to cover home, but I was so excited that they made that play, I felt like they'd just won the World Series.
Get the adults off the field; immediately; . . if not sooner.
Parents trying to live vicariously through their kids. I remember my young baseball years-was for fun!
it’s always the cargo short+new balance turf shoe combo😭😭😭
Out at home, runner lowered shoulder. Umpire discretion on ejecting player, but definitely out at home. Catcher had the ball, so definitely no interference.
No obstruction
This is 100% correct. And i completely understand why umpire didnt eject an 8 year old on a bang-bang play. The only thing umpire did wrong here was not control the situation after the call.
Man these poor umps. Granted, they lost control of the game really quickly and easily. After that first play, its likely that I would have issued multiple ejections. First thing is first, get control of the game...
I just want to know where the Braves scout was sitting. Did he catch how tough the catcher was?
The catcher is a BEAST!
i can just tell the catcher is gonna make it far in baseball if he sticks with it, hes a natural
Lol… you saw an 8 year old make one routine catch then manage to hang onto the ball during a collision at home and that’s why you think he’s a natural that’s going to go far?? Never mind if he can even hit or throw? You have to be his mother or just crazy…
8U explained the best I have heard it (from a fellow umpire). "It's the kids first time at "real baseball" (not T-Ball), but remember it's the first time for "real baseball" for the coaches and parents". They are all Rookies! 8U coaches and parents often make other levels look calm.
Often for the umpires as well.
@@justinbuford4416 true.
Big ATTA BOY for that catcher!
That catcher is my spirit animal
According to the rules the batter should have been ejected. You cannot lower your head or shoulder to make contact with the catcher. Depending on the league the head coach should have been ejected too.
jasonbryant121 or you should teach kids to play the right way. Base runner did his job. Catcher did his and got the out
jasonbryant121 if anything the run is safe because the catcher blocked the plate before the ball was there, therefore he’s automatically safe
Tyler Wressel actually the catcher is allowed to field the ball wherever the ball goes the runner should be ejected due to the fact that he ran over the catcher this is a rule in the mlb now to help there safety it’s even more important for 8u kids
@@bldwn5708 Even pro baseball doesn't allow this anymore. Youth baseball hasn't allowed it in 25 years.
@@bldwn5708 You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. This has been against the rules in youth baseball for at least the last 30 years, probably even longer.
Shut those hens up somebody!!!
I played catcher back in Little league, our coach had a drill called Bring it Home. The whole team lined up on third, coach would signal the runner, hold the ball till the last second and toss it to me.
Their job: Bring it Home.
My job: Knock their FEETS outa their CLEATS and hold the ball.
What state plays coach pitch at 8u?
What 8u league allows contact at the plate? Runner should be out regardless.
No league allows contact, but the catcher was in the way before he had the ball, making it an obstruction on the catcher
Linder !!!! No the catcher had the ball first. Either way the runner needs to avoid contact. If that causes an out due to obstruction than you can call it.
#15 was pulled out of the game because of that.
When interference & obstruction meet. It's a judgement call.
@@runsridesreps3979 At 1:11 i see him already blocking the plate and catching the ball
As someone who used to play catcher, I love how the catcher here immediately knows to show the ump that he still has the ball. I especially love how excited he was when he did it, right after making a great play.
And no, nothing dirty on either side. If the parents and coaches weren't there, play would have resumed immediately, after a few "oohs", "ahhs, and "attaboys".
And this is u8? Are you kidding me? This is the equivalent of peewees when/were I played. The kids weren't even pitching, and they'd normally let a kid stay at bat until he got a hit(or got like 7 or 8 strikes), and nobody even kept score(at least not officially.)
agree on most of what you wrote. couldn't figure out if this was travel team or not. coach pitching does seem weird when looking at talent on both sides. game moves faster with coach pitching, but you don't develop pitchers... SLIDE AT HOME: most leagues have a rule that you can't run a catcher or other position player over. in my LL, kid would have been out automatically. didn't seem like malice was involved, but kid would be out
@@bobzeitlinger5797 Yeah. You can't allow kids to plow each other at home plate. Grown men have had their careers ended on that play.
@@alaskaguyd963 Oh baloney. They're kids, the same size as one another. We used to bulldog at the plate all the time in youth baseball until wimpy parents made up the mandatory slide rule. I recall being backflipped tagging out a kid at the plate; landed on my backside on home plate, and just like this kid, I got up proud, showed the ball, dusted myself off, and got ready for the next pitch.
The worst injury I ever saw was when a kid slid into home plate, and into the catcher's cleats that buried in his knee; three perfect puncture marks right below his kneecap. Yeah, that was before the squeamish made us stop wearing steel cleats.
Took all of the fun out of it.
@@jhandle4196 Hey everybody look at me I'm the toughest edgiest guy on the internet. When I was a kid we had razor blade cleats and ran uphill from first base all the way home. I bet I could throw football over that mountain... If only coach had put me in 4th quarter we woulda won state...
That little catcher made a hell of a play
That’s why I stuck to playing football. It was none of this involved maybe a full on team vs team brawl but not all the babykins go hit that ball big boy kisses from momma in the stands while coach pulls a hemroid out on the umpire. This man belongs coaching Football at the University of Alabama. Him and Saban would be unstoppable.
It’s 8U coach. Let it be.
What you don't seem to understand is the relationship a coach has for his players. Seeing one of his players get plowed over will not sit well with a coach that cares. It was a dirty play by the runner.. lowered his shoulder and never tried to evade the tag. At 8u this means the boy was taught this tactic by his coach or his parents. Know the rules.. you can't run over the catch even at the High School level. The boy and the coach should have been tossed. I was happy to see the coach of the catcher sticking up for his player. He voiced his opinion loudly (I don't blame him) with no signs of being physical. Know the rules parents! Coaches, teach these young boys how to play the game right.
Even if you were taught this, how often do you listen to anything if you're eight years old....Could have learned it watching football, I don't know just a thought..These parents payed to have their children play the sport anyway, KNOWING the consequences that could happen..But go ahead and make it more dramatic than it should be, because one little kid getting tackled is far more important than children starving to death, being shot, or murdered in other countries.
I mean at 8 years old I maybe had 1 practice and 1-2 games a week for 6 weeks of the summer. And we ran into each other all the time on accident. And I played with plenty of kids who were terrible and oblivious to rules lol. And the coaches were just 2 of the kids dads. You don’t really cover a lot of base running techniques when you have to first make sure a kid can throw or isn’t afraid of the ball or can just make it practice.
I remember this like it was yesterday
I love how it’s a coach pitch game and this coach is losing his mind when the kids are probably eight years old.
He is justified in being pissed that player should have been ejected.
I got Suspended permanently from coach-pitch for dusting kids away from the plate...🤣🤣
HA HA HA
wait you can't do that?? but my coach used to always do that to me when I play coach pitch
@@AngeloDenwillPetate Did you used to play for the Braves?? 🤣🤣🤣
@@petervann8863 nah in my country my coach literally brush me of the plate but then now I'm good at hitting high inside pitches but vulnerable with low inside pitches and outside pitches
This guy threw at his own kid during a father/son game. - Harry Doyle
They coach has a gripe on the kid not lowering his shoulder but handled it WAAAAY WRONG
The 8u rule book says you have to slide to avoid malicious contact and its up to the umps discretion as to whether it malicious enough to eject the player.
Running is OUT for NOT SLIDING, AND GOING IN HEAD FIRST.
THATS LITTLE LEAGUE, AND AU BASEBALL AT ANY AGE.
Robert Wardle jr I coached my little brothers 8u team and they could slide headfirst in AAU
Not In my State CT
Not in NJ and not in Babe Ruth, USABL and Cal Ripken. You can only slide head first going back to a base. Not unitl the age of 11u can you slide head first and not into home. 13u head first into home.
When I read through the rule book, it said they could (in Ga) as long as their helmet does not have a face mask... I questioned whether that was a typo or not. But that's what our rule book says.
no such thing as mandtory sliding rule
Sad that some people have not learned life lessons properly. Might be a lead deficiency.
That's a coach who fights for his kids!
3 things: 1) It looks like someone forgot to take his Blood Pressure meds that morning. You would think that it was a world series game. 2) The biggest person hurt by this was not the catcher, but the kid of that coach who was embarrassed by his dad going off like that. 3) I doubt these umpires have covered the training on game management yet. Because if they did that coach would have been tossed long ago. And I agree with a few of the previous posters, that this is exactly why there is a shortage of umpires. The kids want to play and have fun. With this kind of behaviour nobody has fun.
Thinking the same thing. No game management skills. I hate moms yelling their "wisdom" from the bleachers, but the one lady was right when she yelled "come on let's play ball".
Hell cant block the plate in church softball without getting an elbow. Future MLB catcher right there.
You can block the plate if you have the ball in your glove.
That kid had absolutely ZERO intention to slide. I don't know of any youth baseball league whose rules wouldn't have that runner ejected. There may be a league or two out there that doesn't, but I don't know of any.
I then look towards the coaches for not teaching their kids better than that. Because that runner had zero intent to slide, I look at it as the coaches have never taught them that they must. I think that is where most of the anger from the opposing coach is coming from. The red team's coaching staff's inability to teach their kids how to play properly has put other player's safety at stake.
Finally, I'm putting the rest on the umpire. He didn't properly control the situation, allowing coaches to go at each other and doing way too much talking with all of them. The player should have been ejected, and once the coaches were talked to and they showed they weren't going to stop they should have been restricted to their benches and given a final warning. If and when they continued, ejections of coaches should have started. If they can't follow those directions and they still continue then the game should be ended immediately.
That is spot on. You must slide. At minimum, when throw goes up the line as it did, its a no call since he is away from the plate.
#15, the batter was ejected. Also, they are 8yrs old, give him a little slack.
An 8yo doesn’t really run fast enough to produce a slide. Lol. Umpire let this get out of control
@@tcouhig No code of baseball requires the runner to slide.
@@ericjohannsen True. The rule is slide or attempt to avoid contact.
That catcher is a badass kid .
My dad used to embarrass me so bad at games, I quit at 16 couldn't take it any more.
8u? Why are the kids not pitching? Seems pretty old for coach pitch.
I agree. We start kid pitch at 7u and we steal home at 8u travel. No way this is 8u.
No they start kid pitch at 10u and can steal home when they get to 10u
Just wondering do you have a child in this league? What league is it and what state? In NJ under Cal Ripken and Babe Ruth Rules we start kids modified pitching at 7u and Full pitching at 8u travel. 9u rec is full kid pitch vs 10s and 8 and 9u travel under USABL the kids can steal home after the ball crosses the plate.
In California little league. We do coach at 6u, Machine Pitch at 7u and kids pitch above that. But it breaks down not so much with age but division.
Tee Ball 4-5 yrs
Coach Pitch 5-6 yrs
Single A Machine Pitch 6-7 yrs
Double AA to Majors Division Kids Pitch 8-12 yrs
Pony the kids pitch from Pinto division which is the same as LL AA. So I would say 7-8 is when kids start pitching. Depending on whether the kid plays up or not.
Just think, none of these kids will make the MLB, but almost every parent think they will. LMAO
gschopp most quit after age 12. If not then by age 15
It's a simple call. The rule is “slide, or attempt to get around.” The key in this situation is, “the fielder has the ball and is waiting to make a tag.” If the fielder (any fielder, not just the catcher) does not have the ball, and there is a collision, you CANNOT call the runner out. The catcher had the ball before the collision so the runner is OUT. Like it has been mentioned by others its the Umpires responsibility to keep the kids safe.
The Catcher is a STUD!
Seriously? As a minor coach im disgusted. This happens all to frequently. As if the outcome actually matters?? Your not teaching the kids anything useful.
This is some Kent Murphy type crap 💩
Enrique Castillo From a fundamental standpoint
How dare you disgrace god like that
A. The umps are doing their best in trying circumstances. You couldn't pay me enough to ump little league games like this. B. 1:45 The Umpires have lost control. You have coaches arguing with each other. The umps need to stop that immediately, not talk among themselves while that goes on. C. At 3:55 the ump on the 3rd base line is watching the play at first, and the field ump is watching for a play at home. (The 3rd base line ump might not have a good view of a play at the plate, I don't know.) But at 4:10, the umps confer (as they should to make sure they get the call right), and the 3rd base ump tells the field ump that the kid at first was out. They tell him he's out and he heads to the dugout. Then at 4:40 or so, the umps lose control again. Give a warning that if it continues, they will forfeit the game. Then stick to it. I get that they want to let the kids play if possible, but hey, you can teach the kids a good lesson by showing them that sportsmanship matters, and poor decisions can have consequences. D. This is why you need someone from the league at every game. Cheers.
First of all, why are there 2 umpires for a 8u game? I do all my 8u games solo. Second, home plate umpire out of position. Still makes correct call. In the league a umpire for the runner would be out and then thrown out of the game for malicious contact.
Youth catchers EVERYWHERE always make this mistake. Even up until the 18u level. NEVER TAKE YOUR MASK OFF IF THERE WILL BE A PLAY AT THE PLATE.
Kenny Diaz got tricked and broke my nose so now I don’t take it off
Were there any scouts at this game?
“Y’all just play ball” gag.
That is an out and an ejection at the plate for malicious contact. No level of ball allows the catcher to be run over like that anymore. With that said, the coach should have been upset about the fact the catcher was plowed over on the play.
I'm not sure what this umpire was doing though. Even on coach pitch would should be close to the line behind the batter so you can see fair and foul. This guy is way out of position to umpire this level. (I am speaking from experience as I do umpire coach pitch through adult leagues in softball and baseball).
A judgement call. Listen to the coach, then tell him, "Coach, it's a judgement call. I heard your concerns, but in my judgement, my call stands & the runner is out. Now, please attend to your player, (runner) who may be injured." Anything after that, restrict him to the bench or toss him!
Catcher is awesome!
Runner should have been ejected automatically for plowing the catcher, who had the ball and had the right to the baseline. It's not a judgment call, it's an automatic ejection of the runner. I would have been upset if I had been the coach also. However, the coach took it way too far and should have been sent back to the bench, and if he didn't go, then ejected.
Second play was really close at first, and the base ump just stood there and didn't make his call. So, poor umping all around, but the coach needs to get control of himself.
the age clearly has plenty to do here john 7-8 year old are not knowing better escpailly when adults are acting like that in the above video
@@critter2 I completely disagree. Kids this age most definitely can and should know better than do what that runner did. That was not accidental or something that happened at the last second as instinctual. That runner finished that play like a football player getting through a defender for an extra yard. If you want to say you can't blame the kids because of their age, then I blame the coaches for not taking the time to teach them differently. Those kids should know better.
@@tyreefoster5291 The idea that you can watch this video and say with a clear conscience that the 8 year old kid purposefully plowed over a kid to get to the plate is absurd. This was the essence of a bang-bang play. Runner has his back turned to the play and only has a fraction of a second to react. Its an out if theres no tag, but an ejection? Unless the rules require ejection (rules rarely require automatic ejection if there is no deemed intent but require automatic out calls) this is NOT ejectable.
@@tyreefoster5291 the only mistake made by this umpire was not controlling the situation with coaches and parents.
@@johndimarzio8966 Are we watching two different videos here??? The runner lowers his shoulder and gets low to go through the catcher. That's not a runner that is clueless as to what's going on with where the ball is or is about to be. OR if that is what you want to assume, then the runner was going to run through the catcher regardless of whether there was going to be a play at the plate or not. That is clear and that is where my judgment is coming from. In both circumstances that player is way wrong. Now you could shift the blame to that coaching staff for not properly teaching players that they must slide and that they can not run through a catcher. But what you can't do is try to say, it was just a bang bang play and nothing you could do, kids will be kids. As I stated, and what would appear to be obvious and inarguable in my opinion, that kid intentionally ran through that catcher, period.
"Daddy-ball" is the worst variety of sports in America.
Jeff Stewart It is, I’ve been a “victim” of it for years when I was 8-9, but now as we get older it’s not as much of an issue, but it’s still there
Since the runner didnt lower his shoulder I would have called him out, which he was, and told the coach, " you take care of this or i will". Which means, coach pulls the runner for the remainder of the game and he can play the next game. Or, I, the umpire, can eject him and the runner is done for the that game and the next. The runner cant think that play was ok. He has to be punished.
I'd be embarrassed if my kid's coach acted like that.
the punk coach on the pitchers mound is the biggest punk - the runner does need to be kicked out of the game though - unfortunately - you gotta slide
Frank Tank you don’t have to slide no such thing
@@nsswaha15123 Nick yes actually you do have to make an attempt to slide. Technically the base runner should have been ejected for not attempting to evade the tag or slide. With this being 8U, it should have been a teachable moment, not she sh*t show it turned in to. No one should have left dugout except head coach, and he should have had a calm discussion with the umpires and other coach.
schneid5252 I’m not saying what happened was good or right all I’m saying is what he said was wrong. There is no rule anywhere saying that you have to slide. The rule actually says the complete opposite
@@nsswaha15123 So the rule in baseball through at least high school says that instead of making at attempt at sliding at home plate, you are to initiate collision with the catcher? That's the opposite of what I said. Good luck with that one Nick.
@@nsswaha15123 Also Nick...here is the rule in the Little League rule book on running over the catcher. Rule 7.08(a)(3) in the Little League rule book states that "a runner is out when the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag."
I didn't see anyone "lose it"...I guess with all the pansy ass kids being raised today this could be considered extreme? I'm soooooo glad I grew up in the 70's....
I didn't see what I would classify as "losing it" either. What I saw was a grown man stomping his feet and acting younger than the kids he is coaching.
"there's no sense in that" "he's thrown his hat" HAHAHAHAHA
"God damn it....shut the fuck up dad! You're embarrassing me."
If you’re getting triggered over this game you really need to reconsider your life
F the adults, that catcher knows how to play ball and is a beast in the clutch.
3b coach missed leg day but not the buffet- what a gem he must be on the field
LOL! He's missed ab day a few times too.
1 play, and you have to have 7 people out discussing it.
Those kids are Lucky to have a Major League Coach come down and show them how it’s done. At that level, I’m pretty sure head first sliding is illegal. Yes, the catcher was up the line without the ball. Great throw tho. A learning experience.