Fredrick Goldsmith is my great great grandfather. This truly means so much to see this. My uncle John wrote a biography on him and how he had grown up with him in his later years of life. And did a wonderful job expressing details on how Fredrick was as a husband, father, and a fantastic baseball player. Thank you SB Nation!
Ive read the book a bit but im his great great grandson and they co founded it but i dont believe that I think great grandpa Freddie was the founder of it and it's an amazing tale and should be more recognized and Freddie should be in the hall of Fame with him whether or not he found it or not he was an amazing player with an amazing story and I cannot believe we are related
@@theyungjesus8959 holy crap dude so we are family! And, you’re right. Even if he didn’t create it, it is a fantastic story and a really cool part of our family history. This is so crazy that over 3 years after I made this comment, somebody that I’m related to is replying to it. Wow. I’m 25 and live in Idaho. The relation comes from my moms side of the family, her last name is Castle. It would be cool to get in touch somehow. Totally made my night.
*David Attenborough voice* And thus, with a whole two and a half hours of Jon Bois content released, the timid SB Nation emerges from the nest with its usual content series, knowing that they have a limited time before the cries for a third season of Breaking Madden begin anew
i was literally half way through typing word for word this exact comment when i scrolled down to see what the rest of y'all thought. great minds i guess. breaking madden aint coming back tho, because fixing rugby is coming, and that is a fact
I don't really know who invented the curveball, but I think it is possible that multiple people invented it without knowledge of each other at the same time
My favorite team was the Brooklyn Excelsiors. I hated the New York Mutuals. I also despise the Staten Island Haberdashers, and the Newark Ninnies. My mom was Rochester Rapscallions fan who were rivals to the Portsmouth Picaroons during the Pennysworth Chesterfieldshire era.
I just found this channel and Jon Bois yesterday. That means I have hundreds of hours of Jon Bois content and it's all fresh and new. Are you old timers jealous?
Candy Cummings led the league in strikeouts in 1875 with 82 strikeouts in 416 innings. He also had nearly 3x as many unearned runs allowed as earned runs. Defense sure was great back then.
I just wanted to say thanks SBNation for taking the U.S. Army’s money and using it to create interesting content on a global platform for viewers around the planet to enjoy, everywhere, for everyone.
Well sb...youve done it again!!!!...another captivating mini doc...can u plz do more of the (fighting in a time of loneliness) type series....id pay for it
I knew Cummings invented the curve many years ago. As an elementary kid i loved baseball and read history books ,but i never tire hearing storys about the game. Keep em informed. Go trollydodgers!!!
I think multiple people could have invented it without realizing they weren't the only one doing it, but I'm calling bullshit on the 3 pole demonstration
To add to the confusion, Cummings is quoted as saying that Martin was throwing a kind of slow curve before him, but not like his curve ball. Martin also mentions that he experimented with the pitch while in the Union army during the Civil War on Roanoke Island, North Carolina.
Ok so I figured this guyu was innovative to be able to throw a curveball but then he describes how he did it to the paper using essentially the same understanding we have today, that the ball follows the path of least resistance which is different than straightforward because the spin of the ball create pressure zones around the ball. It's called the magnus effect and apparently this amateur athelete was fully aware of it during the civil war
Nicknames have changed drastically we had a pitcher for another HS team tht we called cake because thts what he threw, he had decent speed 85-86mph but it was always right over the plate so it just like taking bp. Someone being called candy i figure would mean bout the same thing today
Under Trumps leadership I've had fewer concerns with the US military. But not nearly enough to endorse them in anyway... Maybe I'll resubscribe when they stop dealing weapons to a certain terrorist kingdom.
It is significant to note that none of the supposed "inventors" of the curve ball have any documentation of quibbling amongst themselves over who was "first." Only the beta spectator/commentators resorted to argument and dispute. If you have a good curve, you only care about another pitcher's curve when you are at bat (and you can see it in his wrist better than the fielders).
Imagine being run by people aware of the materialist implications of capitalist countries and their armed forces and taking on sponsorship from them to farm your own audience.
There is no such thing as the inventor of curve ball. You can claim you're the first one to do it, but still, not an inventor Same thing as there is no such thing as the inventor of football (soccer)
Candy Cummins a sweet nickname in the 1800s a pornstar in the 2000s 😂
True
xd
you're turning me on
Fredrick Goldsmith is my great great grandfather. This truly means so much to see this. My uncle John wrote a biography on him and how he had grown up with him in his later years of life. And did a wonderful job expressing details on how Fredrick was as a husband, father, and a fantastic baseball player. Thank you SB Nation!
Ive read the book a bit but im his great great grandson and they co founded it but i dont believe that I think great grandpa Freddie was the founder of it and it's an amazing tale and should be more recognized and Freddie should be in the hall of Fame with him whether or not he found it or not he was an amazing player with an amazing story and I cannot believe we are related
@@theyungjesus8959 holy crap dude so we are family! And, you’re right. Even if he didn’t create it, it is a fantastic story and a really cool part of our family history. This is so crazy that over 3 years after I made this comment, somebody that I’m related to is replying to it. Wow. I’m 25 and live in Idaho. The relation comes from my moms side of the family, her last name is Castle. It would be cool to get in touch somehow. Totally made my night.
*David Attenborough voice* And thus, with a whole two and a half hours of Jon Bois content released, the timid SB Nation emerges from the nest with its usual content series, knowing that they have a limited time before the cries for a third season of Breaking Madden begin anew
i was literally half way through typing word for word this exact comment when i scrolled down to see what the rest of y'all thought. great minds i guess. breaking madden aint coming back tho, because fixing rugby is coming, and that is a fact
I don't really know who invented the curveball, but I think it is possible that multiple people invented it without knowledge of each other at the same time
Tiger58 like the bow and arrow
That’s preposterous.
@@chriswebster24 This is pre mass media and the fact that spin makes the ball move is easily observable
the way you just dropped the book at the end had me in tears
I watched the clip of Will pitching like 100 times. Will is a national treasure that should be preserved at all costs.
The first batter to see a curveball was probably so mind blown and thought Satan was responsible.
Or the Irish.
@@gabrieleriva651 probably both
What sorcery is this?
He probably ducked if it was inside because he thought it was going to hit him in the face.
MANCHESTER UNITED there aren’t even 240 countries...
My favorite team was the Brooklyn Excelsiors. I hated the New York Mutuals. I also despise the Staten Island Haberdashers, and the Newark Ninnies. My mom was Rochester Rapscallions fan who were rivals to the Portsmouth Picaroons during the Pennysworth Chesterfieldshire era.
Statutory Grape woah that’s a mouthful
I’ll join the army when Jon Bois tells me to...
No be a man. Join the Marines.
Eli Hernandez are you Jon Bois?
Marcus
I can't think of a bigger insult than to call someone a "follower".
@@elihernandez800 marines is for the boys. Navy all the way.
@@elihernandez800 *Navy
I just found this channel and Jon Bois yesterday. That means I have hundreds of hours of Jon Bois content and it's all fresh and new. Are you old timers jealous?
SB Nation: Alright! Time to get those sweet Bois/Biederman clicks!
Also SB Nation: Alright! Time to get those sweet US Army dollars!
Where's Jon Bois? It's been a full day since his last video on this channel!
who?
@@SecretBaseSBN everyone loves jonny boi
JOM BOY
Candy Cummings led the league in strikeouts in 1875 with 82 strikeouts in 416 innings. He also had nearly 3x as many unearned runs allowed as earned runs. Defense sure was great back then.
My man is back! Happy to see you and your origin together again.
I just wanted to say thanks SBNation for taking the U.S. Army’s money and using it to create interesting content on a global platform for viewers around the planet to enjoy, everywhere, for everyone.
In New York style baseball, if you get hit by a pitch you HAVE to say "I'm walkin 'ere!"
New Jersey style baseball is the same, only with an added "ah" at the end.
So slow pitch softball is the purest form of baseball.
Well sb...youve done it again!!!!...another captivating mini doc...can u plz do more of the (fighting in a time of loneliness) type series....id pay for it
SB Nation getting in on the lucrative "Tricking the underprivileged into dying in a god forsaken desert" racket.
You want college and healthcare without moving to Canada?
Candy job with this piece!
Wow that 14 year old boy has one hell of a beard. I guess they hit puberty early back in the civil war era.
I knew Cummings invented the curve many years ago. As an elementary kid i loved baseball and read history books ,but i never tire hearing storys about the game. Keep em informed. Go trollydodgers!!!
Damn that casual book drop. 😅😅
I think multiple people could have invented it without realizing they weren't the only one doing it, but I'm calling bullshit on the 3 pole demonstration
The Evolution of a pitcher bit got me good
This is unbelievably entertaining and interesting
0:25 "He said what?" -Francis Ngannou
Knickerbockers.
I think it's neat that the two rules were "New York and Massachusetts style." Humm. That rivalry in baseball has lived forever.
Or 'The First man to yeet a ball sideways'
interesting that sb nation just posted "fighting in the age of loneliness" which was decidely anti-US army yet they're sponsored by them lol
Man I love these videos
Howdy! I’d like to give my recommendation for a future episode of 1st, entitled:
“The First Episode Of 1st”
Thanks for your time and consideration.
As the Winklevoss brothers will tell you, its not always the ones with the original idea that make it happen, but those who perfect the idea.
Sounds like another Tessa/Marconi story. Sometimes a thing gets invented twice but sepeately. I don't think it's despare-worthy. Cool video!😎
Rewinder suggestion: Kings v Grizzlies. Tyreke Evans game winning shot from before the half Court Line
To add to the confusion, Cummings is quoted as saying that Martin was throwing a kind of slow curve before him, but not like his curve ball. Martin also mentions that he experimented with the pitch while in the Union army during the Civil War on Roanoke Island, North Carolina.
Ok so I figured this guyu was innovative to be able to throw a curveball but then he describes how he did it to the paper using essentially the same understanding we have today, that the ball follows the path of least resistance which is different than straightforward because the spin of the ball create pressure zones around the ball. It's called the magnus effect and apparently this amateur athelete was fully aware of it during the civil war
This video will go down as one of your greatest SB Nation 👍
I have ALWAYS wondered this!
Nicknames have changed drastically we had a pitcher for another HS team tht we called cake because thts what he threw, he had decent speed 85-86mph but it was always right over the plate so it just like taking bp. Someone being called candy i figure would mean bout the same thing today
Can you please do a rewind on Hideo Nomo's Coors no-hitter???
Candy Cummings sounds so wrong
Stripper name
@@Karmy. correction, pornstar name
And yet, so right
If Candy Cummings was a girl she'd be playing with a different type of balls...
I see Mike, I click.
I got a bit teary eyed at the end
The first touchdown celebration
Your wish is my command: th-cam.com/video/PhHkJZprPTA/w-d-xo.html
Underhanded like a gentleman
Stern and Goldsmith there some names you can trust
You were a little to excited with your pronunciation of ‘knickerbocker’ lol.
How about the 1st strictly kicker position in the NFL for the next vid?
"Brooklyn Excelsiors" lol
Well. That take a turn.
18-6 loss! So Candy had a "Colorado style" ERA.
The first TV commercial break
Nice vid!
So whats the deal with Comcast subsidiaries and Army advertising? I just saw it on the PL on NBC Sports too, not to mention that Verge video.
All branches are running out of cheap bodies to throw at imperialist efforts.
Of course new york style pitching was underhand at first😂
Okay, if you must.
This video should be called, "The Founding of Kershaw"
But wouldn't the "3 poles" demonstration be more of a slider?
Hey guys, remember to keep comments respectful and to follow the community guidelines
You re the only person that I’ll watch other than JOn bois
Goldsmith sounded like he whined a lot, at least according to that radio guy
What song is in the background??
army trying to poach the demographic!!!!!!!
The first slap shot please
The ending
Learning about baseball has made me consider a career as a professional murderer.
Mysteries at the museum did a really good telling of this too. Wasn't quite as deep but was fun to listen to.
whoa us Camry ad out of nowhere
It wasnt a curveball in 1872... it was a curved ball.
So, major league baseball started out as beer league softball?
Pitchers love them,
Elbows hate them.
Whatever happened to this series?
Presented by the US Army? What?
Under Trumps leadership I've had fewer concerns with the US military.
But not nearly enough to endorse them in anyway...
Maybe I'll resubscribe when they stop dealing weapons to a certain terrorist kingdom.
Slackman
I don't much care about that, more so why the US Army wants to sponsor SB Nation in the first place.
Not for nothing, but I figured out how to throw a ninja star in a curve.
... this is not a useful skill and it took forever, but I am still proud
Ryan Houk ...use the same technique, but tilt it 33° up and it will Corkscrew in a forward path. 👍
Excuse me, what was that end card? I feel exposed
If the curve it around the pole demonstration was actually real, dude invented the slider not the curve
Unfortunately for Bill Stearn, he had a habit of telling tall tales on his radio program...
The 1st time someone was crossed In basketball
eesh, taking army sponsorships is a bad look
Would have been cool to play with the gang in rdr2
He is one of my relatives NO JOKE
Wait where did Jon go
Maybe baseball would be more interesting if there role was still just getting things started
54 Kershaw hof-type curve balls in Game 5. ZERO swing throughs. MLB has ZERO INTEGRITY. None.
Why does he look like amish happy gilmore
My uncle Charlie was the first
SB nation heart this comment to show you actually read the comment section, like if you want to see SB nation like it LOL.
no
Reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons when they made a boy band and were singing songs subliminally tricking kids to enter the Air Force..
Don't remember the league but it was in the late 1890's or so, a Catholic church banded the pitch because it was unethical to deceive the batter.
Jon Bois sucks.
Sorry, just evening things out a bit.
SAM BRICKELL scumbag
OH your back? OK
I’m sorry the WHAT rules?!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knickerbocker_Rules
Show him the curve!
When is more Jon Bois?
But I'm the teacher and I did smoke pot with the cool kids
It is significant to note that none of the supposed "inventors" of the curve ball have any documentation of quibbling amongst themselves over who was "first." Only the beta spectator/commentators resorted to argument and dispute. If you have a good curve, you only care about another pitcher's curve when you are at bat (and you can see it in his wrist better than the fielders).
Def not gonna continue watching Army shills lmao hope this is the only video they're sponsoring
Imagine being run by people aware of the materialist implications of capitalist countries and their armed forces and taking on sponsorship from them to farm your own audience.
There is no such thing as the inventor of curve ball. You can claim you're the first one to do it, but still, not an inventor
Same thing as there is no such thing as the inventor of football (soccer)
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