Nice segment guys... I almost muted shannon, but he started speaking with Nuance and paradoxical wisdom... Big difference from yesterday. I definitely think whoever pitched this up, deserves an atta boy.
@UndisputedOnFS1 I love the 20 minute clips of high yield info, however, just like on live TV we dont get to see the video most of the time when they're showing replays or old clips probably copyrights, but i (we) miss that. And they're even more important on this video platform. The only place it isnt needed is the podcast, as it's audio. To the producers money wise, it could be a smart move to make this show a video replay podcast of the show, just saying, I'd watch and so say 2.12 million people as well.
No wonder Brady balled out that season and won MVP. Too bad he couldn’t cap it off with a SB win. Otherwise that would’ve been another in your face moment.
It’s honestly laughable that people give BB all the passes in the universe for being a subpar drafter and GM. He passed up on Keenan allen, Nick Chubb, DK Metcalf and more.
@@internationalescapades1089 The point is that he was in position to draft each of these players and he whiffed. 2019, he could have taken Deebo, AJ Brown or DK, but he took N'Keal Harry. 2018, he could have taken Chubb, he took Sony Michel. 2017, he could have taken Carl Lawson, he took Derek Rivers. 2016, he could have taken James Bradbury, he took Cyrus Jones. 2013, he could have taken Keenan Allen, he took Aaron Dobson. It goes on. In all of these drafts, within the next two or three guys drafted at the same position there are absolute studs and Belichick drafted duds. The only guy that had his moments was Michel, but he's essentially a bust and Chubb is on a HOF type pace.
Dave Gettleman drafted Daniel Jones when in previous years and there after he gave up on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen (not that he is good), justin herbert, justin fields, mac jones, DK Metkalf, AJ Brown. All while since then drafting an irrelevant Saquon Barkley with no Oline, a bust in Evan Engram, a trash Andrew Thomas, a person not in the league anymore, Deandre Baker and someone who has literally less yards than me in the NFL, Mr. Negative 2 yards aka Kedarius Toney smh. Believe Gettleman is worse than Bilicheck ever was.
Pats fan here, I'm starting to think Bill was holding back Brady all these years. In exception of 2007 season, Brady didn't have real weapons. Now that he does similar weapons to 2007, he's lighting it up.
I'm a pre long pats fan and if anyone looks at Brady's career, all he does is win! From college to the pro's. Its Belicheck that hasn't won sh*t without Brady and now it shows even more bruh
Brady made a living off of throwing the football fast af because the talent around him besides gronk was overall average. Most dudes he's played with can't win one on one on post or go routes in new england. Moss was the only true talented receiver Brady had in New England that could attack defenses from anywhere.
@@Dbd3k You mean the PAPER TIGER defense that couldn't be relied on to win 2 playoff games and routinely collapsed in big games (AFCCG and SB)? Brady could have won more with Wade Phillips, Todd Bowles, Brian Billick,Tony Dungy, Mike Zimmer, Mike Shanahan, Matt Nagy, Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carrol, even Rex Ryan, because all of them would have given Brady a more decent and stable WR group.
@@Buttington_Headerson He also won the year he got suspended 4 games and Roger had to hand him the Super Bowl MVP that season 🤣. Brady got his payback immediately.
These team owners getting rid of great players at the end and not showing any loyalty to these players that showed loyalty to them... they did Peyton the same way. Even tho they could have kept him to mentor luck.. after they release him the next year he gets a ring too ... owners. I swear man
I think skip is right… I don’t think any other quarterback can go to Tampa first year and win Super Bowl… even if Mahomes and Rodgers can throw the ball better I think Brady has intangibles that win the super bowl
Right - he's the greatest team leader in NFL history: he elevates everyone. Even when his skills begin to fade (they don't seem to have yet), he may still be a big winner on that quality alone.
Ikr ! People who says that " if we put other QB on Tampa bay i think they gonna win a superbowl " it just so pathetic & disrespectful in kinda way that you can say " i can be a steve Jobs if i live under shoes of steve jobs " lol
Also he has seen every defenses in this league more than any other quarterback. let's not forget to have a winning quarterback isn't only about throwing the ball. it's also about Football IQ, decision making, leadership, experience, etc
@@bandini.6599 i mean dude wasn't wrong Shannon got a tight suit game, but the fact he thinks today's is swaggy? Makes me think he just a fanboi. Just keep it real, Shannon's suit game normally on point today was a standard suit, nothing bad, just standard.
@@Fittedmannnnnn Manning was a walking corpse when he won his last Super Bowl. He was 13-23 for 141 yards and an INT in that game. That was all Defense and Von Miller. Brady has done much better and will do better in the future.Terrible comparison.
SICK AND TIRED of Shannon saying Brady needs help now. EVERY DAMN QB NEEDS HELP. Find me one QB who won any Superbowl with weak receivers? Oh yeah Brady did multiple times.
Exactly. Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees Peyton Manning All those QBs struggled all throughout the last decade, but people aren’t doubting their greatness. Tom has nothing left to prove to anyone. Every hurdle that’s been put in his path, he’s come out a winner. You can’t say that about many other QBs.
@@philiprocker8707 the Steelers had two HOF WRs and the last 2 SBs featured explosive offenses, including an MVP season from Terry Bradshaw in 78. None of the Pats were even close to the 2000 Ravens..not even close..there are levels. Good, very good, great, historic
@@aaronjackson9385 but as a collective the patriots defense was great the Steel Curtain defense's won those Superbowls in the seventies not terry bradshaw
Julian eldeman was his number one for years and he a qb turned reciever lol brady beat the falcons in the Super Bowl wit no gronk eldeman and Chris hogan but nobody wants to give him credit
Yeah, I just replied saying letting go of Brady was the biggest mistake, but this is probably the right answer. It's at least a tie. The Cowboys could have won 5 straight if they kept Jimmy. Jimmy could have been the Cowboys' coach for another decade. They've never come close to replacing him, even with Parcells.
Cowboys will suck till geriatrics Jerry stops messing with the team and highers a coach and GM to make the decisions. Problem is old geriatrics has an ego twice the size of Alaska
the Bears moving up in the draft to take Mitch Trubisky instead of waiting for Mahomes or Deshaun Watson to drop to them, was a decision that will be with the organization as long as Mahomes is still playing.
Tom should do that. He already said that he knows Skip has his back. Skip picked Tampa to win the Super Bowl before the first game of the season last year. He stays true to his word about one man in sports that he does not bet against. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Junior.
I will never forget that Brady made a 14 point comeback vs Seahawks (top 5 defenses of all time) in superbowl 49 with a receiving corp of Edelman, LaFell, and Amendola. That's GOAT status.
It's nice Shannon and Skip both agree and met in the middle for this one. Yes, Brady is the only QB who could've pulled Tampa through last year and yes he needed a team of Tampa's quality to get his 7th. Doesn't make it any less special that it happened. We're seeing all-time greatness and sometimes it's just nice to sit back and watch without debating every iota of that greatness.
I disagree %100 there are hella Qb’s in the league that could have taken Tampa to the Super Bowl last year don’t lie to yourself. I am a super Tom Brady fan but let’s be realistic
@@malcolmslack9635 boy u talking crazy! Life doesn't lie to the soul. In football there are great player's but life has saw fit,that this man and his fragment of the soul,is simply meant to be the greatest this game has ever saw destiny wise. Take everything else out and just simply go off of luck and u'll see and understand,that this is his destiny and luck the illusion called Life. It's simple cause again Life doesn't lie to the soul.
@@malcolmslack9635 don't believe that in one bit. Maybe mahomes and russ could because they actually are a leader to their team but in a pandemic year with very little to prepare with, nobody except Brady would lead the bucs to win the superbowl in his first year in a pandemic season with a new team.
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros I completely forgot about the teams not being able to prepare due to the pandemic but on a regular year I truly believe many QBs could take Tampa to the super bowl and win it
What u talking bout Willis ! Stanford done found his new home what rock u been under lol an he’s facing Brady this Sunday to, rams vs bucks let’s go !!!
I'm sure you do like him better now, because the Steelers or Ravens won't have to possibly face him in a playoff game anymore. Every AFC fan except for the Patriots should be happy that Tom went to the Bucs. He's no longer standing in the way of your team getting to the big show.
@@michaelharrington75 true lol I think it’s great he is free from being under Belichicks thumbs though. That man seems to suck all the fun out of the room 😒. I love Harbaugh as a coach.
*To be honest, I wish Tom left New England sooner, they was stifling his personality and it always felt like he could never be himself, always business no fun*
Yall gotta relax he never said Brady wasn't Great or anything. He just doesn't like how everything Tom Does is expanded by a million by his fans and followers
As a Patriots fan, I was really happy to see Brady left the team in a good way. I definitely wanted him to stay but his last year in Patriots was too painful to watch. Happy that he went to Tampa and won another ring. I will root for the Bucs but not on Week 4. Have to go with my Patriots even though we are most likely to lose it.
This is one of the BEST things that could have happened to Brady. His legacy has been elevated even more (although I already viewed him as the goat before his Bucs tenure started).
Can I just say that Skip and Shannon have such incredible chemistry together. Their show in my opinion is the most interesting, most engaging, most balanced between the two of them, most funniest sports analyst show. They argue and debate so well but with great harmony and such great points. The other ones just don't come close.
shannon will admit that tom is the goat the day he retires. i can tell he respects tom but cant let skip have that win. the point of this show is to argue a POV to Another POV. shannon and skip are the best at this.
He did a big monologue after sb51 about TB being the greatest in the history of football, and I think in moments like that he's telling the truth about how he feels, the hate I absolutely believe is fake just to be able to argue against skip for the show
I'm reading through the comments and it blows my mind that some of you still don't understand this show. Shannon's "shtick" is to hate on Tom Brady and Skip's "shtick" is to hate on LeBron. Don't take them seriously and enjoy the banter.
Omg someone actually gets it😂 there's been a few times over the years where they show how they really feel in very special moments, but yeah they're basically playing characters on the show
Every video of Skip criticizing Bron, the comments are filled with people calling Skip clueless and dumb. Every video of Shannon criticizing Brady has people in the comments saying its a shtick and that we should not take it seriously. Keep the same energy. Shannon sound like a fool when it comes to Brady and he deserves the same flack skip gets about bron.
@@keljerel I'm speaking in general. Comments like yours pop up constantly only when it comes to Shannon. I never said you should critisize Skip, re read my comment please. No one has the same energy to defend Skip and say he's playing a character on videos he critisizes Bron.
When I look at how loaded my Browns team is after 20+ years, I feel we are just hiding in plain sight like the BUCS were. We need DeShaun Watson baad man lol
Wuao! Now that Brady is in Tampa, All experts are saying TAmpa is the paradise on talent on every position like any QB would win a Super Bowl .... huh.. why did not any other QB rush to go to Tampa to win Super Bowls before Brady? Smh...
bradys last year with the patriots they won 12 games and made the playoffs with a bad team , it was definately a bad mistake to get rid of brady , belichick wont go to another super bowl
Pats personnel mistakes have been plaguing them for years. Why did BB spend a draft pic on Jimmy G if Tom was going to be your guy? Why not instead grab a top receiver for Tom? Why kick out Alex Guerrero from the team locker room and plane who can help aging players like he is helping Gronk and AB still play at an elite level? Why couldn't you have worked with AB when he was in a New England uniform like Tom is helping him in a Bucs uniform? Tom always took less money to get a team around him. Traded Sony Michel, Jonas Gray, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, Brandon Lafell, Brandin Cooks?? He wanted to have a vote of confidence with a contract extension, and Bill said no. So this was a huge mistake BB/Kraft made.
Its so funny when these analyst says that bellichick couldnt surround brady with what he had in tampa, didnt bill draft nkeal harry before metcalf before aj brown before dj more before the guy in san francisco, i can go on and on about the bad pick belichick made.
Not a mistake for the split. Tom continuously took less money, so BB could improve his team and it culminated in 3 Super Bowls in 4 appearances. They did the same thing the Saints did by kicking the can down the road. It had to come back at them at some point.
@@MrSonic731 Been a die hard pats fan my whole life and Belichick has been riding Tom Brady's coat tails the whole time. Belichick's defense is always good but Brady is always great.
There are many many teams without a single Super Bowl win. If the Patriots had any chance to get 7 and lost it, that's a catastrophic failure. You can't simply give away the GOAT, especially when he wins the Super Bowl the next year.
The Hoodie was exalting himself above all. He made the same mistake so many make. If you don't have a DRIVER that can get the MOST out of your car, you're not going to win. Bill seemed to reason away the simple fact that he was tied at the HIP to Brady and ALL his success was as MUCH a credit to Brady's ability, leadership and dedication as it was to Bills cheating, scheming and lying. You can be the best coach to ever coach but without the PLAYERS to run you plans, you're just a dreamer with a big idea. Belichick is not humbled by this fact, I'm sure it BURNED for weeks after he had to watch Brady and Gronk win a SUPER BOWL away from him. Perhaps only NOW does he get it...but its far past too late. No one even wants to PLAY for the Hoodie now, all the POWER is gone from 'his' legend.
NE had near bottom-of-the barrel picks for 2 decades, and alot of their best coaches moved on too. You can make up some of that in free agency/trades, but it gets tougher when your star QB is aging, and increasingly disgruntled - mostly because the HC had made it clear for at least a year that he wanted to move on from Tom.
Don't forget that Arians' “No risk it, no biscuit” mentality is what ruined Jamieis. The first half of last year, Brady was hamstrung by Arians as well. 2nd half, Brady throw to the routes that he wanted, not what Bruce wanted.
Imagine being the worst overall franchise in the history of professional sports, yet you have two Super Bowl trophies to brag about. You've also had three of your head coaches be Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden and Bruce Arians.
This might sound crazy, but I think other pats fans might feel the same. I’m kind of glad he left New England. He gave us 20 years of success and happiness, more than we ever could’ve dreamed of. He owes us nothing. I’m glad he left because it’s so cool to see him succeed with another team and destroy the ridiculous system qb theory. His legend is growing exponentially by winning with another team and I’m glad another fan base gets to share this experience with us. Pats fans and Bucs fans are now bonded for life. I will never stop rooting for Tom Brady. Week 4 is about to be Christmas morning.
I think it was best for both of them. Patriots don't have the roster to win right now, and Tom being at the end if his career can't settle for that so he leaves and it put the Patriots in a position to draft a qb for the future with the 10th pick, and it seems like it was the right pick so far . Tom and Patriots were great, no need to let that legacy live with animosity
Skip don't give the hole story lets talk about the difference in the offense line between wiston and Brady. Also the difference in the defense skip tell the hole story you can plug in any of the top 7 quarterback can win super bowl with Tampa team
Typically Players have the edge over their previous coaches because players for the most part control their in game destiny unlike coaches who essentially in the sidelines like spectators.
But if you have good players you can control offense and defense as a coach where an offensive player has zero control for the calls on defense the system the play for certain scenarios etc
@@chrishaswell4405 Absolutely. That's why Belichick should have insisted to Kraft to surround Brady better offensive roster. In addition, Brady took pay cuts to get better FA players in the market, but Pats didn't. After Brady left, all of a sudden Pats started spending on FA Market.
@@chrishaswell4405 Ndamukong Suh 'not ready to hang them up yet,' wants to remain in Tampa with Tom Brady "If you watch and go back and look at all his teams, and this is one of the things I was excited about when he signed with us, *those defenses are typically well-rested," Suh says. "Dinking and dunking, making big plays, moving the ball downfield and scoring points, it gives you opportunities to one, rest, but also come out fresh and rush the passer. And get sacks and not really have to play the run. Because a lot of the time, teams are either playing from behind or it's neck-and-neck and they have to find ways to score.* And most teams in this league want to pass it. So I was excited about him coming. And obviously his competitive edge and the knowledge that he has and brings to the team. I got to learn a lot of stuff from him during camp, which was great. And we got to get to know each other on a whole different level versus me always trying to chase him down."
There's another universe where Brady is still in NE with Keenan Allen, Nick Chubb, DK Metcalf, Gronk and AB. Nfl history really changed when Brady left NE in part because of subpar drafting.
@@connerwittig9288 that o line wasnt considered good preBrady. Donovan Smith was almost considered turnstyle status by Bucs fans..Wirfs helped immensely but we were not talking about the 2003 Chiefs here. Brate is solid, OJ is talented but hasnt put it together.
Even Goliath is fallen by a little flicks of Tom's master arm...flick flick here and flick flick there old man Tommy had his arm eieio. Wait till Tom wears his #8 and #9 ring then see who is talking
Why this was a bad move is because Brady had the 7th rated offense when he left and he had few weapons. All Bellichick had to do was get 2 receivers (obj and AB).
Belicheck had every opportunity to provide those things. The reason why he overpaid for subpar talent was because they waited until it was no time in the clock to make a move. It’s literally been a decade of pay cuts, for the specific reason of providing talent. Belicheck failed year after year to provide talent whether it was via free agency, trade, or draft. And then when Tom already decided it was over, you decide to go get a.e scraps were left on the pile, to make it seem as if you tried, or cared. Ego ended the dynasty
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Nice segment guys... I almost muted shannon, but he started speaking with Nuance and paradoxical wisdom... Big difference from yesterday. I definitely think whoever pitched this up, deserves an atta boy.
Honestly shannon your overlooking people are willing to go to new england to play with brady no one wants to go to new england
He only needed a few peices in new england. Belichick didn't oblige. It's not more complicated than that. Tom is still great.
@UndisputedOnFS1 I love the 20 minute clips of high yield info, however, just like on live TV we dont get to see the video most of the time when they're showing replays or old clips probably copyrights, but i (we) miss that. And they're even more important on this video platform. The only place it isnt needed is the podcast, as it's audio. To the producers money wise, it could be a smart move to make this show a video replay podcast of the show, just saying, I'd watch and so say 2.12 million people as well.
@@healthcareanalyst8064 cringe...
Lets not forget, Belichick wanted to get rid of Brady before they won their last ring.
wasn't it even before the falcons superbowl? i'm not sure
i looked it up. it was before the 2017 season right after the falcons superbowl. you are right.
No wonder Brady balled out that season and won MVP. Too bad he couldn’t cap it off with a SB win. Otherwise that would’ve been another in your face moment.
Last two rings
i cant even begin to imagine the level of focus and mental TOUGHNESS required to perform that well where you're not even wanted! true true goat
This move just proved that Brady was the reason it was going great and that the coach got way more credit than he needed. Brady proved himself
Yup! Billicheat ain't nothing special without Brady!
It’s honestly laughable that people give BB all the passes in the universe for being a subpar drafter and GM. He passed up on Keenan allen, Nick Chubb, DK Metcalf and more.
Damn near every team passed on all those players
He passed up Warren Sapp too. Told his boy to draft Jonathan Baldwin over Julio Jones.
Yeah he's average at drafting players
@@internationalescapades1089 The point is that he was in position to draft each of these players and he whiffed. 2019, he could have taken Deebo, AJ Brown or DK, but he took N'Keal Harry. 2018, he could have taken Chubb, he took Sony Michel. 2017, he could have taken Carl Lawson, he took Derek Rivers. 2016, he could have taken James Bradbury, he took Cyrus Jones. 2013, he could have taken Keenan Allen, he took Aaron Dobson. It goes on. In all of these drafts, within the next two or three guys drafted at the same position there are absolute studs and Belichick drafted duds. The only guy that had his moments was Michel, but he's essentially a bust and Chubb is on a HOF type pace.
Dave Gettleman drafted Daniel Jones when in previous years and there after he gave up on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen (not that he is good), justin herbert, justin fields, mac jones, DK Metkalf, AJ Brown. All while since then drafting an irrelevant Saquon Barkley with no Oline, a bust in Evan Engram, a trash Andrew Thomas, a person not in the league anymore, Deandre Baker and someone who has literally less yards than me in the NFL, Mr. Negative 2 yards aka Kedarius Toney smh. Believe Gettleman is worse than Bilicheck ever was.
Pats fan here, I'm starting to think Bill was holding back Brady all these years. In exception of 2007 season, Brady didn't have real weapons. Now that he does similar weapons to 2007, he's lighting it up.
Not sure if he was Intentionally holding him back cuz they always had a solid defense over those 20 years except for a couple seasons 2011 ish ……
Everyone knew this for years. When your 3 best targets are white guys
I'm a pre long pats fan and if anyone looks at Brady's career, all he does is win! From college to the pro's.
Its Belicheck that hasn't won sh*t without Brady and now it shows even more bruh
Brady made a living off of throwing the football fast af because the talent around him besides gronk was overall average. Most dudes he's played with can't win one on one on post or go routes in new england. Moss was the only true talented receiver Brady had in New England that could attack defenses from anywhere.
@@Dbd3k You mean the PAPER TIGER defense that couldn't be relied on to win 2 playoff games and routinely collapsed in big games (AFCCG and SB)?
Brady could have won more with Wade Phillips, Todd Bowles, Brian Billick,Tony Dungy, Mike Zimmer, Mike Shanahan, Matt Nagy, Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carrol, even Rex Ryan, because all of them would have given Brady a more decent and stable WR group.
I will say it’s one of the biggest “Ha!!!! In yo face!!!!” Moments in sports history. He left and immediately won another Super Bowl lol.
Couldn't write a better movie.
@@Buttington_Headerson He also won the year he got suspended 4 games and Roger had to hand him the Super Bowl MVP that season 🤣. Brady got his payback immediately.
Lmaoo Ha
These team owners getting rid of great players at the end and not showing any loyalty to these players that showed loyalty to them... they did Peyton the same way. Even tho they could have kept him to mentor luck.. after they release him the next year he gets a ring too ... owners. I swear man
Facts
I think skip is right… I don’t think any other quarterback can go to Tampa first year and win Super Bowl… even if Mahomes and Rodgers can throw the ball better I think Brady has intangibles that win the super bowl
Tompa Bray all day!!!😂😂😂😂
Right - he's the greatest team leader in NFL history: he elevates everyone. Even when his skills begin to fade (they don't seem to have yet), he may still be a big winner on that quality alone.
I think any 3 would be succsessful on the Bucs or the Chiefs. Can you imagine if Brady had Hill and Kelce? lol They'd 3 peat 100%.
Ikr ! People who says that " if we put other QB on Tampa bay i think they gonna win a superbowl " it just so pathetic & disrespectful in kinda way that you can say " i can be a steve Jobs if i live under shoes of steve jobs " lol
Also he has seen every defenses in this league more than any other quarterback. let's not forget to have a winning quarterback isn't only about throwing the ball. it's also about Football IQ, decision making, leadership, experience, etc
Watch 6:25, this is such a clear depiction of how much respect Shannon has for Skip to apologize for misunderstanding in that tone and manner
Unlike First Take, Skip actually likes Shannon and is grateful he doesn't need to get in a shouting match in a daily basis to get ratings.
That’s because they’re friends, unlike that other show where it’s just two guys that hate each other yelling at one another constantly
Shannon suit game is unmatched, he never disappoints.
Facts 💯
Today’s suit isn’t his usual swag 🤔
Idk pinstripe suit with pattern tie? Not really a good look
@@bandini.6599 i mean dude wasn't wrong Shannon got a tight suit game, but the fact he thinks today's is swaggy? Makes me think he just a fanboi. Just keep it real, Shannon's suit game normally on point today was a standard suit, nothing bad, just standard.
@@bandini.6599
- from a dude that probably owns more Crocs than dress shoes
Even though Tom didn't want this... This is the BEST thing that could have happened to him... Now he's pumping out Denv Manning stats
Facts sometimes God will remove u to show u your betta off
What stats??????
@@MaloneIG 40TDs at 43 years old
@@Fittedmannnnnn Manning was a walking corpse when he won his last Super Bowl. He was 13-23 for 141 yards and an INT in that game. That was all Defense and Von Miller. Brady has done much better and will do better in the future.Terrible comparison.
“Denver Manning” made Trent Dilfer look like Joe Montana in Peyton’s last game played. 😂😂😂😂😂
SICK AND TIRED of Shannon saying Brady needs help now. EVERY DAMN QB NEEDS HELP. Find me one QB who won any Superbowl with weak receivers? Oh yeah Brady did multiple times.
2000 Ravens didn't have offensive firepower but they had a record setting defense Tom had
great defenses all his time in New England
Look at the seventies Steelers they were known for their defense not their offense
Exactly.
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
All those QBs struggled all throughout the last decade, but people aren’t doubting their greatness.
Tom has nothing left to prove to anyone. Every hurdle that’s been put in his path, he’s come out a winner.
You can’t say that about many other QBs.
@@philiprocker8707 the Steelers had two HOF WRs and the last 2 SBs featured explosive offenses, including an MVP season from Terry Bradshaw in 78. None of the Pats were even close to the 2000 Ravens..not even close..there are levels. Good, very good, great, historic
@@aaronjackson9385 but as a collective the patriots defense was great the Steel Curtain defense's won those Superbowls in the seventies not terry bradshaw
Skip: I was there when Rome was burning. I was sitting courtside and covered this.
Lmao
true story skip was live covering the assassination of Caesar.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tom has won Super Bowls with less talent….. he deserves to have this much talent around him at this point in his career
Yeah I feel like only OG remember when he was rocking with kembrel Tompkins as his receiver 1 or even Reche Caldwell
Julian eldeman was his number one for years and he a qb turned reciever lol brady beat the falcons in the Super Bowl wit no gronk eldeman and Chris hogan but nobody wants to give him credit
@@royjones0824 yeah but edelman is also a slot receiver which means he isn’t a number 1
Iknow and that’s what I’m saying they had a slot reciever playing number one for years
Dude had guys like troy brown or gaffney. Bill gave brady 1 great wideout and he went 16-0
The biggest mistake was Jerry Jones firing Jimmy Johnson in the middle of a dynasty.
That was wild, Ego wars of Jerry Jones.
Jimmy was very disrespectful apparently. You can’t do that to the owner.
Yeah, I just replied saying letting go of Brady was the biggest mistake, but this is probably the right answer. It's at least a tie. The Cowboys could have won 5 straight if they kept Jimmy. Jimmy could have been the Cowboys' coach for another decade. They've never come close to replacing him, even with Parcells.
Cowboys will suck till geriatrics Jerry stops messing with the team and highers a coach and GM to make the decisions. Problem is old geriatrics has an ego twice the size of Alaska
the Bears moving up in the draft to take Mitch Trubisky instead of waiting for Mahomes or Deshaun Watson to drop to them, was a decision that will be with the organization as long as Mahomes is still playing.
I hope Tom gives skip an interview so we can watch skip melt
Tom should do that. He already said that he knows Skip has his back. Skip picked Tampa to win the Super Bowl before the first game of the season last year. He stays true to his word about one man in sports that he does not bet against. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Junior.
Skip would cream in his pants.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Let’s just sit back and say mo Lewis made the greatest and most impactful play in nfl history . Even Bledsoe agrees
Ain't that the truth!
100 percent
And that's facts folks
I will never forget that Brady made a 14 point comeback vs Seahawks (top 5 defenses of all time) in superbowl 49 with a receiving corp of Edelman, LaFell, and Amendola. That's GOAT status.
It's nice Shannon and Skip both agree and met in the middle for this one.
Yes, Brady is the only QB who could've pulled Tampa through last year and yes he needed a team of Tampa's quality to get his 7th. Doesn't make it any less special that it happened.
We're seeing all-time greatness and sometimes it's just nice to sit back and watch without debating every iota of that greatness.
I disagree %100 there are hella Qb’s in the league that could have taken Tampa to the Super Bowl last year don’t lie to yourself. I am a super Tom Brady fan but let’s be realistic
@@malcolmslack9635 boy u talking crazy! Life doesn't lie to the soul. In football there are great player's but life has saw fit,that this man and his fragment of the soul,is simply meant to be the greatest this game has ever saw destiny wise. Take everything else out and just simply go off of luck and u'll see and understand,that this is his destiny and luck the illusion called Life. It's simple cause again Life doesn't lie to the soul.
@@malcolmslack9635 don't believe that in one bit. Maybe mahomes and russ could because they actually are a leader to their team but in a pandemic year with very little to prepare with, nobody except Brady would lead the bucs to win the superbowl in his first year in a pandemic season with a new team.
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros I completely forgot about the teams not being able to prepare due to the pandemic but on a regular year I truly believe many QBs could take Tampa to the super bowl and win it
Nah. There are other great quarterbacks in the league who could have taken that stacked team to the super bowl.
I don’t know exactly why Bill let Tom go, but I can promise it wasn’t out of respect and wanting to give him the team he deserved lol.
Skip spittin big facts on this one.
No he’s not because Kraft is why Brady isn’t there
This didn't hurt him . .. it liberated him....now look Rodgers, Wilson, Stafford...all want new homes💯
Stafford got his
Stafford already has a new home with LA Rams.
What u talking bout Willis ! Stanford done found his new home what rock u been under lol an he’s facing Brady this Sunday to, rams vs bucks let’s go !!!
I'm from Detroit...we talking about tb 12....how he changed how QB's are thinking 💯
Tom Brady is way more likable now. And I say that as a Steelers fan.
Hes always been likable to me
He’s free to say what he wants
I’m a ravens fan and I agree. I still love watching the patriots lose though lol
I'm sure you do like him better now, because the Steelers or Ravens won't have to possibly face him in a playoff game anymore. Every AFC fan except for the Patriots should be happy that Tom went to the Bucs. He's no longer standing in the way of your team getting to the big show.
@@michaelharrington75 true lol I think it’s great he is free from being under Belichicks thumbs though. That man seems to suck all the fun out of the room 😒. I love Harbaugh as a coach.
*To be honest, I wish Tom left New England sooner, they was stifling his personality and it always felt like he could never be himself, always business no fun*
Well, that’s how you Sustain a dynasty for 20 years
7:15 Shannon said it “even the great Tom Brady” he said it. I heard it Shannon, no take backs ✌️
Yall gotta relax he never said Brady wasn't Great or anything. He just doesn't like how everything Tom Does is expanded by a million by his fans and followers
I can't wait for the bucs documentary in about 5 to 10 years from now
As a Patriots fan, I was really happy to see Brady left the team in a good way. I definitely wanted him to stay but his last year in Patriots was too painful to watch. Happy that he went to Tampa and won another ring. I will root for the Bucs but not on Week 4. Have to go with my Patriots even though we are most likely to lose it.
At end of the day Tom Brady is a Patriot. He is our franchises greatest player ever, he will forever be remembered as a Patriot.
Wrong lol, he's a buc
Not if he wins more bowl games
@@jakesjoints1 🤡
Yep!
There was no elevating that talent in Brady's last year , those receivers and even more so, the TEs were absolutely dreadful
Nun of those guys are better than anyone in Tampa but Brady still would’ve went to the Super Bowl with them 😭😭
You can't convince me, Shannon (when he was in the league) didn't have some type of relationship with Belichick
Respect
Fraternity brothers
This is one of the BEST things that could have happened to Brady. His legacy has been elevated even more (although I already viewed him as the goat before his Bucs tenure started).
Can I just say that Skip and Shannon have such incredible chemistry together. Their show in my opinion is the most interesting, most engaging, most balanced between the two of them, most funniest sports analyst show. They argue and debate so well but with great harmony and such great points. The other ones just don't come close.
Agree. I think it's definitely the best sports show there is.
shannon will admit that tom is the goat the day he retires.
i can tell he respects tom but cant let skip have that win.
the point of this show is to argue a POV to Another POV.
shannon and skip are the best at this.
He did a big monologue after sb51 about TB being the greatest in the history of football, and I think in moments like that he's telling the truth about how he feels, the hate I absolutely believe is fake just to be able to argue against skip for the show
Weird way of paying respects by downplaying all of their achievements lol
You all forget Belichik’s time at Cleveland. He was an awful coach. He still is. Now he is being exposed for who he really is.
It's atrange Bellichick couldn't give TB12 the weapons he needed. He just spent a quarter of a billion dollars to get a new set of players.......
I'm reading through the comments and it blows my mind that some of you still don't understand this show. Shannon's "shtick" is to hate on Tom Brady and Skip's "shtick" is to hate on LeBron. Don't take them seriously and enjoy the banter.
Omg someone actually gets it😂 there's been a few times over the years where they show how they really feel in very special moments, but yeah they're basically playing characters on the show
Every video of Skip criticizing Bron, the comments are filled with people calling Skip clueless and dumb. Every video of Shannon criticizing Brady has people in the comments saying its a shtick and that we should not take it seriously. Keep the same energy. Shannon sound like a fool when it comes to Brady and he deserves the same flack skip gets about bron.
@@harrisonboogie Why are you telling me to keep the same energy? Have you seen me criticizing Skip in the comments? Asking for a friend…
@@keljerel I'm speaking in general. Comments like yours pop up constantly only when it comes to Shannon. I never said you should critisize Skip, re read my comment please. No one has the same energy to defend Skip and say he's playing a character on videos he critisizes Bron.
Next you're going to tell me wrestling is fake
When I look at how loaded my Browns team is after 20+ years, I feel we are just hiding in plain sight like the BUCS were. We need DeShaun Watson baad man lol
Literally!
Belichick and Kraft really messed up big time😂
No finning Jim Brown for missing practice.
Colin cowherd actually predicted Brady would go to Tampa.
Wuao! Now that Brady is in Tampa, All experts are saying TAmpa is the paradise on talent on every position like any QB would win a Super Bowl .... huh.. why did not any other QB rush to go to Tampa to win Super Bowls before Brady? Smh...
At the end of the day belicheck forced brady out and it’s the most disrespectful thing ever done to a super star qb
Bill does that move to everyone else
nah it's pure business
Nah stupidity
@@stevenbrown6720 nah, Bill has a vision and plan for life after Brady and every good coach should think this waqy
He's a defensive coach who had a great qb
Love unc and skip, thank you both for the awesome content week in and week out 🔥💪🏾
13:30 I can see Skip saying something he not supposed to out of excitement a glee lol
i was waiting for Shannon to be like “why cant you do that for lebrons ring” 9:40
This was the real comparison of The Last Dance NFL version
Best script in NFL history
bradys last year with the patriots they won 12 games and made the playoffs with a bad team , it was definately a bad mistake to get rid of brady , belichick wont go to another super bowl
Someone said it perfect. It just was time to go. It has run it's course. 20 years, time for a fresh start.
You guys are FINALLY getting to what I've been saying, all along!!!!!!
Randy Johnson to the diamondbacks, 4 years, 4 cy youngs, a championship.
I got to see him in his first year with my Sposss
Pats personnel mistakes have been plaguing them for years. Why did BB spend a draft pic on Jimmy G if Tom was going to be your guy? Why not instead grab a top receiver for Tom? Why kick out Alex Guerrero from the team locker room and plane who can help aging players like he is helping Gronk and AB still play at an elite level? Why couldn't you have worked with AB when he was in a New England uniform like Tom is helping him in a Bucs uniform? Tom always took less money to get a team around him. Traded Sony Michel, Jonas Gray, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, Brandon Lafell, Brandin Cooks?? He wanted to have a vote of confidence with a contract extension, and Bill said no. So this was a huge mistake BB/Kraft made.
Mahomes now feeling Brady's pain. Good coach, good defense, no weapons on offence.
Tampa bay needed a quarter back to win it all… patriots move on from players sooner than later” -TK KIRKLAND
I was told TK Kirkland told Tom to leave the patriots and go to the Bucs
The point is.....who has the most rings? One can make all kinds of excuses....the ring says it all..period.
Its so funny when these analyst says that bellichick couldnt surround brady with what he had in tampa, didnt bill draft nkeal harry before metcalf before aj brown before dj more before the guy in san francisco, i can go on and on about the bad pick belichick made.
Same topic as yesterday
Same topic as tomorrow
Starting to notice a pattern here. Just can't place my finger on it...
Let them talk about me.
How?????
He has a SUPER MEGA ULTRA team.
He has it made in the shade in tompa.
Not a mistake for the split. Tom continuously took less money, so BB could improve his team and it culminated in 3 Super Bowls in 4 appearances. They did the same thing the Saints did by kicking the can down the road. It had to come back at them at some point.
Belichick is over rated! and I'm from New England!
No he isn’t and I’m 20 mins from Foxboro🤣
@@MrSonic731 Been a die hard pats fan my whole life and Belichick has been riding Tom Brady's coat tails the whole time. Belichick's defense is always good but Brady is always great.
this was the most right you have both been
no, seriously, that was the best clip from shannon and skip i have ever seen....fo' realz
There are many many teams without a single Super Bowl win. If the Patriots had any chance to get 7 and lost it, that's a catastrophic failure. You can't simply give away the GOAT, especially when he wins the Super Bowl the next year.
This is a really great show, both of them speaking facts and gave valid argument/ opinions. 🔥😎
I have to say skip is so much better at seeing football than basketball, dude actually makes better football calls that Shannon
nope, I disagree, he's just a hardcore brady fanboy
The Hoodie was exalting himself above all. He made the same mistake so many make. If you don't have a DRIVER that can get the MOST out of your car, you're not going to win. Bill seemed to reason away the simple fact that he was tied at the HIP to Brady and ALL his success was as MUCH a credit to Brady's ability, leadership and dedication as it was to Bills cheating, scheming and lying. You can be the best coach to ever coach but without the PLAYERS to run you plans, you're just a dreamer with a big idea. Belichick is not humbled by this fact, I'm sure it BURNED for weeks after he had to watch Brady and Gronk win a SUPER BOWL away from him. Perhaps only NOW does he get it...but its far past too late. No one even wants to PLAY for the Hoodie now, all the POWER is gone from 'his' legend.
NE had near bottom-of-the barrel picks for 2 decades, and alot of their best coaches moved on too. You can make up some of that in free agency/trades, but it gets tougher when your star QB is aging, and increasingly disgruntled - mostly because the HC had made it clear for at least a year that he wanted to move on from Tom.
But Hightower has 3 rings! How many does those other players he said! ONE!
Don't forget that Arians' “No risk it, no biscuit” mentality is what ruined Jamieis. The first half of last year, Brady was hamstrung by Arians as well. 2nd half, Brady throw to the routes that he wanted, not what Bruce wanted.
Imagine being the worst overall franchise in the history of professional sports, yet you have two Super Bowl trophies to brag about. You've also had three of your head coaches be Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden and Bruce Arians.
I believe Bill Bellichick wanted TB12 to retire...TB12 had to go to Kraft to ask the franchise to be removed from his contract.......
Skip and Shannon
You two are exactly 100% correct on this
This might sound crazy, but I think other pats fans might feel the same. I’m kind of glad he left New England. He gave us 20 years of success and happiness, more than we ever could’ve dreamed of. He owes us nothing. I’m glad he left because it’s so cool to see him succeed with another team and destroy the ridiculous system qb theory. His legend is growing exponentially by winning with another team and I’m glad another fan base gets to share this experience with us. Pats fans and Bucs fans are now bonded for life. I will never stop rooting for Tom Brady. Week 4 is about to be Christmas morning.
I recall a lot of people saying he was going to Tampa
I think it was best for both of them. Patriots don't have the roster to win right now, and Tom being at the end if his career can't settle for that so he leaves and it put the Patriots in a position to draft a qb for the future with the 10th pick, and it seems like it was the right pick so far . Tom and Patriots were great, no need to let that legacy live with animosity
Proverbs 16:18
King James Version
18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Biggest mistake in league history was the Seahawks not running the ball in from the 2 against the Pats
Jerry Jones biggest mistake was firing Jimmy. His 2nd biggest mistake was not Signing Tom freaking Brady.
The GOD of football will flex week 4 folks.
Plan on it.
Go Pats!
Patriots crowd will be cheering Brady at Foxboro, when he turns up there with the Bucs.
Skip don't give the hole story lets talk about the difference in the offense line between wiston and Brady. Also the difference in the defense skip tell the hole story you can plug in any of the top 7 quarterback can win super bowl with Tampa team
Just listening to them, maaaan this bucs offense is STACKED
Typically Players have the edge over their previous coaches because players for the most part control their in game destiny unlike coaches who essentially in the sidelines like spectators.
But if you have good players you can control offense and defense as a coach where an offensive player has zero control for the calls on defense the system the play for certain scenarios etc
@@chrishaswell4405 Absolutely. That's why Belichick should have insisted to Kraft to surround Brady better offensive roster. In addition, Brady took pay cuts to get better FA players in the market, but Pats didn't. After Brady left, all of a sudden Pats started spending on FA Market.
@@chrishaswell4405 Ndamukong Suh 'not ready to hang them up yet,' wants to remain in Tampa with Tom Brady
"If you watch and go back and look at all his teams, and this is one of the things I was excited about when he signed with us, *those defenses are typically well-rested," Suh says. "Dinking and dunking, making big plays, moving the ball downfield and scoring points, it gives you opportunities to one, rest, but also come out fresh and rush the passer. And get sacks and not really have to play the run. Because a lot of the time, teams are either playing from behind or it's neck-and-neck and they have to find ways to score.* And most teams in this league want to pass it. So I was excited about him coming. And obviously his competitive edge and the knowledge that he has and brings to the team. I got to learn a lot of stuff from him during camp, which was great. And we got to get to know each other on a whole different level versus me always trying to chase him down."
Sharpe is singing another tune now.
He should because they had to pay for the help right before even finding a replacement.
There's another universe where Brady is still in NE with Keenan Allen, Nick Chubb, DK Metcalf, Gronk and AB. Nfl history really changed when Brady left NE in part because of subpar drafting.
People are forgetting how much money all those weapons that Brady wanted, cost. Belichek did his job. He built that team. Not Brady
i never waz a brady fan but,when they let him go i couldnt believe it
Tampas offense wasnt stacked. They had 1 great time in Evans and one very good item in Godwin. Brady brought gronk, ab, fournette
You’re forgetting a great o line they already had. Also OJ and Brate.
Most of the starting 11 on the offense were great. And all the defense 11 were great
@@connerwittig9288 that o line wasnt considered good preBrady. Donovan Smith was almost considered turnstyle status by Bucs fans..Wirfs helped immensely but we were not talking about the 2003 Chiefs here. Brate is solid, OJ is talented but hasnt put it together.
The best move for Tampa was removing Jameis . He was the opposition. Your right about Tom bringing the fellas with him.
I love how everyone revises history to make Tampa look good pre Brady....lol what a joke
Tom Brady Cowboys LeBron
Monday-Friday dude
Did I hear that ground and brake are better than hunter Henry and Jonnu smith
Sorry "franchise tag"...
Our defense specially in the secondary is on pace for top 5 defense in the league... go pats. I miss Tom but it’s time to move on a new era..
Shannon is so Sharp!
Even Goliath is fallen by a little flicks of Tom's master arm...flick flick here and flick flick there old man Tommy had his arm eieio. Wait till Tom wears his #8 and #9 ring then see who is talking
Why this was a bad move is because Brady had the 7th rated offense when he left and he had few weapons. All Bellichick had to do was get 2 receivers (obj and AB).
Tom Brady is the Goat 🐐 hands down
Belicheck had every opportunity to provide those things. The reason why he overpaid for subpar talent was because they waited until it was no time in the clock to make a move. It’s literally been a decade of pay cuts, for the specific reason of providing talent. Belicheck failed year after year to provide talent whether it was via free agency, trade, or draft. And then when Tom already decided it was over, you decide to go get a.e scraps were left on the pile, to make it seem as if you tried, or cared. Ego ended the dynasty
Nah Bill said they didn’t have the money to build up the team.
Randy Moss called it. He called Tom going to Tampa.
No state income tax is pretty great too