Much Abrew has any brew, sometimes even tier 1 things that are new and it's always someone ELSE'S brew. Those decks might center around a card but often they are centred about a mechanic or synergy. Against the odds is always Seth's brews and it's usually centered around a specific card trying to force it to be good by putting it in a shell to make it shine. But yes in the end they are both "taking a weird deck and playing with it and asking if it's actually good or if we broke it"
@@WhizzerdSupreme Meme or dream is Seth going over decks that won 6 times in a row in mtg arena's ranked (it needs to be a certain rank and up to count) not understanding how tf did that deck win a single match and trying to pilot it himself. Only decks that look like there's no way anyone won a single game with qualify.
I find it amusing that there's a variant of this deck where you just play Tree combo in addition to Sorin and just have two wincons. The two combos don't have anything in common except the support vampire cards lol
Common Agatha's Soul Cauldron W; the most interesting card they've printed in 5 years. Even when you forget it's also instant graveyard hate and creature pumps, so do your opponents.
The LGS I went to when I was still playing paper magic had a deal during the set Tree was in offering a free pack for anyone who pulled Tree in any pack they bought there.
26:36 I think you could actually force a draw here by targeting the wildgrowth walker with the thrillseaker damage, if they make it indestructible amalia and wildgrowth go into an unbounded loop, and if they let the damage happen you're not getting combo killed
I recommend -1 Grafdigger Cage, -3 Vadmir, -1 K-Command, +2 Soul Guide Lantern, +1 Pithing Needle, +2 Long Goodbye. Soul Guide Lantern doesn't hit our graveyard and is a better topdeck than a Leyline (though I know some prefer Leyline instead). Pithing Needle shuts down Sorin and Kiora in Mono Green and forces the opp to draw their artifact hate sideboard cards. As a mono black budget player, I was having trouble against Spirits and UB Rogues so Long Goodbyes were a specific meta call.
Cut down also works against rogues, feels bad to drown a 1 mana removal spell. Also, this deck works with crippling fear sideboard. My favourite sideboard tech
Inti doesn't actually require attacking! The second half of the text works for any discard. So if you use your Blood tokens, you'll get a free impulse draw.
I gotta be honest, the fact that there wasn't even a Single tricadecophobia in the deck made me Really disappointed. That was my standard deck back when the cards came out ( though pain lands made it.. well a pain 😂)
I made this deck ❤, I love the suprise combo nature and its agro distraction plan. Thanks for giving me a deck to play. I had some cray games with it already.🎉
At 49:00 I think if you play the Mutavault, pass the turn, when opponent attacks, fire up the Mutavault, buff it with Soul Cauldron, exiling the Tree of Perdition, block the Jegantha, sacrifice the Mutavault to kill the Slickshot Show-Off, you can survive a turn. Then on your next turn, you fire up your new Mutavault, buff that with soul cauldron, exiling the Voldaren Thrillseeker. Tap the Mutavault to put the opponent to two, then sacrifice the Mutavault to deal 2 damage. You still lose if the opponent topdecks a burn spell or a haste creature that can deal 2 damage, but it's a decent chance.
38:20 you could've used the backup ability of Voldaren thrillseeker to win. I think you got too caught up with soul cauldron that you forgot about backup
Can the worst Mythic Land ever, Hostile Hostel, actually be competitive? I think that card will make anyone eat their words who thinks it can actually be effective in any way... and I adore that card I say this with love.
I've been running this deck but with Offspring's Revenge for like a year now. Imagine my shock when this competitive pioneer deck shows up out of nowhere
Not sure how it resolves on Arena, but if you Thrillseeker their Wildgrowth Walker and they give it indestructible in response, doesn't the game draw because your opponent is stuck in a loop since Amalia can't kill it anymore?
I think on arena it would be a loss from the owner of the combo timing out, and in tournament play the person with the infinite combo may be forced to make decisions that makes the combo end (explore all the lands into hand and all the non-lands into graveyard until there are no cards in library so explore fizzles and the loop ends). If they can win that turn they win, if they can't win that turn they lose when they cannot draw.
@@gillablecam you don't stop exploring when your library is empty, you just get infinite +1/+1 counters. So in paper it would be a draw since the combo cannot be stopped by an empty library even.
He doesn't even need to put thrill seeker in the gy. If he has 4 mana, he can just play it, give the counters to the epicure so it gets the ability due to backup, and activate it for 1.
49:00 if u had exiled thrillseeker the turn before you could’ve won. You could’ve discarded tree w the tokens, turned mutavault into a creature, exile tree, put a counter on mutavault, tap to exchange life for toughness then used your last mana to sac it and deal the last bit of damage you needed to the face
I wonder if it would be worth playing some spells like play with fire instead of Thrillseeker to close out the game after the tree ability is activated. Also perhaps playing it in historic and adding Faithless Looting?
I've been playing a tree deck since WOE came out. Ugin's Conjurant and Stonecoil Serpent on 1 will let you set your opponent to 1 before the counter is put on them. I also run Play With Fire to end games at instant speed.
31:22 I don't play arena. But from what I've heard from the comments is that a lot of arena players just play their cards and don't even read what their opponents cards do. I think they just played the chord to play it. I'm sure if they read grafdiggers cage, they would have known.
The card got highlighted white a few times after it was played. This means the opponent at least put their mouse cursor over it. When you hover your cursor over a card, it will show you the full card and it's text, but your opponent will see that you're looking at the card. So they were either being silly and just happened to run their cursor over that card specifically a few times. or they read it.
It's a turn 3 deck with the god hand right? I feel like there might even be a modern deck here, since I feel like what you're missing is honestly a bolt. I don't know that the turn one creature would matter that much, the vamp giving you the blood token is a bonus but if your combo is disrupted something cheap with haste like a raging goblin could allow you to goblin+cauldon activation+bolt turn 3 even if you lose your turn 1 guy. I kinda see it as an izzet deck with free counterspells to protect the combo and no real option to cast the tree. There's a god hand/top deck possibility to combo off turn 2. Turn 1: surveil land putting tree to yard, cast Ornithopter or Memnite Turn 2: Pyretic Ritual into cauldron, activate cauldron to give ability to freebie creature, activate then bolt. You have the opportunity to pact here to protect your combo if need be (free counterspells were and are a mistake)
i almost wonder if this deck would be a good fit for shrapnel blast. the deck makes a good few blood tokens, and if you've already set their life total to
The fact that this is a legitimate deck in Pioneer speaks to just how absurdly far above every other option Black's answer suite is in the format. WOTC really needs to either ban Thoughtseize or start printing Path/Bolt/etc. into the format because it's so absurd that Black is the only color that gets 1MV interaction.
Would only be 4 damage (5 damage if he also uses the Cauldron), not enough to kill Jegantha, however, it is enough to kill the opponent if he also attacks with it, dealing a total of 10 damage.
What changes the text "tree of perdition" in the tap ability to the name of the creature you attach it to? Wouldn't every creature given this ability still trade life totals with Tree's toughness?
As with many of these, the premise of the title is misleading. This is about proving that Agatha's Soul Cauldron is SO good that it can be good even with a convoluted combo involving bad jank like Tree of Perdition.
How do you get that arena interface where you deckbuild is in the bottom not the side, I think I've seen streamers build their deck in the bottom while drafting but I can't get that interface?
Because due to the ability of tree of perdition granted by the soul cauldron, you exchange the toughness of the creature with the life total of the enemy player. So the toughness of the voldaren epicure becomes the former life total of the oponnent. So its base toughness became 16.
Isn't a much simpler combo running Tree with Spiteful Hexmage and other Cursed Role makers? Make the tree a 1/1, tap and bring the opponent down to 1 with no strings attached.
I don't believe giving a non-creature non-vehicle Tree of Perdition's ability would work the way you want it to. A food token doesn't have a toughness to exchange, so activating the ability won't do anything.
in the situation of epicure + agatha vs haywire at around 34:49 - honestly may have been smarter to wait at first. would turn into a game of chicken, but the situation was an odd case of you'd be able to put on pressure if you activated agatha in response to haywire, rather than haywire being activated in response to agatha. case we had roll out here: agatha was activated first, haywire nukes it. we only get the counter and exile. alternative chain of potential events: haywire activated, agatha gets to resolve and exile the tree, priority passes back around, you snatch their life total with epicure. Agatha is then nuked and opponent is tapped out. In the following turn, given 3 mana available we have a few other options. case 1 - we did nuke em the turn prior: We win if we draw a land to play agatha, discard thrillseeker, and then fling into their face. Alternatively at 4 mana we just play thrill, then hit face - no reliance on the agatha. case 2 - we didn't nuke the turn prior: We're in a rough spot, but playing the second agatha garuntees the nuke. if both cauldrons are on the field, we just target the same card for exile if they try to destroy one, since it doesn't exile till resolution. If they try to destroy in response to us casting the second, we let em - their removal is then gone, so we do the swap. We win still if we draw a land. both cases we lose to what happened, but both cases we have a chance to win on our next draw.
22:18 Who else was yelling at the screen that he's throwing away the win? The thrillseeker is a win by herself with the tree in gy, she can sac herself after tapping to be the tree, and if they remove her then you can put her under the cauldron instead of wasting 2 turns to do the same thing What if instead of Inti, you put in Mastermind's Acquisition? Get cards from your sideboard or from your deck. Might help if you need to grab a win con or something from your sideboard. Since you say that Inti didn't help at all, having a tutor that can grab something from sideboard and then you can put in a few "tools" in your sideboard to help "just in case" but don't want to actually sideboard in.
@@Duall8 yeah, but he can play it and tap at eot use cauldron to put the tree ability on other guy or it do both instead of taking the chance of the player interacting with the combo
@@aceviru You could replace the fatal pushes with burn spells. Additionally, voldaren thrillseeker seems too gimmicky and is just a harder way of bolting your opponent's face. You could also put burn spells in the sideboard.
@@abheekpandya8717 You're trolling, right? Swapping out a 1 cmc removal spell that can hit 4 drops like Sheoldred (revolted with our blood tokens, which feed our graveyard and synergize with our combo) into a *checks notes* 1 cmc burn spell that does a whole 2 damage to any target and if I use it to hit my opponent with it instead of the Sheoldred, I can scry 1! I see where you're going there. Maybe add in some wizard's lightning. Some slickshot showoffs. Take out the swamps for a better mana base. Hmm. Roiling Vortex in the sideboard so that they don't gain life... Alright, we've fixed our deck. Lets call it Mono-red aggro but pretend it's Tree combo.
38:20 couldn't you just use the tree ability on voldaren epicure in response to them exiling your cauldron next turn you untap with the 4 mana to play voldaren thrillseeker, use it's backup on epicure and pay the last mana to activate the thrillseeker ability on epicure to burn their face off
I've only watched the intro so far, but I hope that Seth gets into a situation where he has a Thrillseeker in the graveyard and two Trees in hand, then uses the reverse of his intended combo and exiles the Thrillseeker with the Cauldron then drops both Trees and sacs both Trees to do 26 points of damage to win. Not likely to happen, but that would be funny.
Seth misplays this deck a lot and locks himself out of answers. Choosing a random card of no value from the opponent's graveyard rather than granting your creatures bloodtide's ability is nearly always worse. Casting rather than cauldroning the thrillseeker is nearly always worse.
I'm convinced the only difference between Against the Odds and Much Abrew is that someone managed to top with the deck once on Much Abrew.
Preferably on a small japanese tournament
Much Abrew has any brew, sometimes even tier 1 things that are new and it's always someone ELSE'S brew.
Those decks might center around a card but often they are centred about a mechanic or synergy.
Against the odds is always Seth's brews and it's usually centered around a specific card trying to force it to be good by putting it in a shell to make it shine.
But yes in the end they are both "taking a weird deck and playing with it and asking if it's actually good or if we broke it"
Against the Odds = "Seth Jank that _should not_ win"
Meme or Dream = Other people's Jank that won somehow???
Much Abrew = Seth Combo
@@WhizzerdSupreme Meme or dream is Seth going over decks that won 6 times in a row in mtg arena's ranked (it needs to be a certain rank and up to count) not understanding how tf did that deck win a single match and trying to pilot it himself.
Only decks that look like there's no way anyone won a single game with qualify.
TIL that Sorin has been compleated and becomes a phyrexian praetor
That Is exactly what i thought
Crazy that it has the exact same power and toughness and abilities as Sheoldred does too. What were Wizards thinking!?
5:52 Seth...those are Sheoldred not Soren. 0_o SIR.
Thank you
Nah wdym that’s Soren the apocalypse
Those are Sorin not Soren. 0_o SIR.
bro actually doubles down on it at 7:33
@@frogpizza I like how at 6:30 he sounds surprised there's a Sheoldred. "Where did that come from?"
Seth: is playing Agatha’s Soul Caldron
Also Seth: 50:33
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, if he Cauldron'd the phoenix, that's it, they would scoop
I know that if I was at 80 life and my opponent one-shotted me with Tree of Perdition I would be Fir-ious.
Ah, don't be such a birch
It's Oak-K. At least you're one-shotted and don't have to willow away like with Hikori.
@@Shielded10 You guys are unbe-leaf-able.
That seems like it would a deep rooted hate towards your opponent and deck, and would just soil all the fun
@@petersan9633boys boys settle down! You’re bark-ing up the wrong tree. Cant we just settle this over a…Pine-t?
I find it amusing that there's a variant of this deck where you just play Tree combo in addition to Sorin and just have two wincons. The two combos don't have anything in common except the support vampire cards lol
This deck with Sorin + Vein Ripper won one of my local rcqs 😂
Pretty sure that's just sorin + vein ripper carrying
Anytime a combo deck works “is this deck actually good!?😮”
busted
did. We. BREAK. IT!
"If Tree can be a competitive card, anything can be a competitive card"
One with Nothing - "Prove it."
Tbf if you play a Barren Glory deck it has very slight uses
It’s unironically good in Historic. You get access to Faithless and bloodghast.
RACCOON THEATER??
Yeah, Raccoons are a new creature type in Bloomburrow.
@@funkydiscogod thank you very cool (but also they’re not new actually fun fact)
He was only off by one color B->G
I just won magic night with my friends with my brew “Team Trees”, which used both tree of perdition and redemption, it’s TOO much fun
Damn, I’ve been running this in historic for a while. Why you gotta expose me.
Common Agatha's Soul Cauldron W; the most interesting card they've printed in 5 years. Even when you forget it's also instant graveyard hate and creature pumps, so do your opponents.
The LGS I went to when I was still playing paper magic had a deal during the set Tree was in offering a free pack for anyone who pulled Tree in any pack they bought there.
26:36 I think you could actually force a draw here by targeting the wildgrowth walker with the thrillseaker damage, if they make it indestructible amalia and wildgrowth go into an unbounded loop, and if they let the damage happen you're not getting combo killed
I recommend -1 Grafdigger Cage, -3 Vadmir, -1 K-Command, +2 Soul Guide Lantern, +1 Pithing Needle, +2 Long Goodbye. Soul Guide Lantern doesn't hit our graveyard and is a better topdeck than a Leyline (though I know some prefer Leyline instead). Pithing Needle shuts down Sorin and Kiora in Mono Green and forces the opp to draw their artifact hate sideboard cards. As a mono black budget player, I was having trouble against Spirits and UB Rogues so Long Goodbyes were a specific meta call.
Cut down also works against rogues, feels bad to drown a 1 mana removal spell. Also, this deck works with crippling fear sideboard. My favourite sideboard tech
RACOON THEATER 😭
Inti doesn't actually require attacking! The second half of the text works for any discard. So if you use your Blood tokens, you'll get a free impulse draw.
I gotta be honest, the fact that there wasn't even a Single tricadecophobia in the deck made me Really disappointed. That was my standard deck back when the cards came out ( though pain lands made it.. well a pain 😂)
Triskaidekaphobia
I made this deck ❤, I love the suprise combo nature and its agro distraction plan. Thanks for giving me a deck to play. I had some cray games with it already.🎉
At 49:00 I think if you play the Mutavault, pass the turn, when opponent attacks, fire up the Mutavault, buff it with Soul Cauldron, exiling the Tree of Perdition, block the Jegantha, sacrifice the Mutavault to kill the Slickshot Show-Off, you can survive a turn. Then on your next turn, you fire up your new Mutavault, buff that with soul cauldron, exiling the Voldaren Thrillseeker. Tap the Mutavault to put the opponent to two, then sacrifice the Mutavault to deal 2 damage. You still lose if the opponent topdecks a burn spell or a haste creature that can deal 2 damage, but it's a decent chance.
Opponents won't assume you're on vampires when you reveal Jegantha xD
38:20 you could've used the backup ability of Voldaren thrillseeker to win.
I think you got too caught up with soul cauldron that you forgot about backup
Opponent: “draws a million cards”
Seth: “ I can’t believe he top decked that!”
Can the worst Mythic Land ever, Hostile Hostel, actually be competitive? I think that card will make anyone eat their words who thinks it can actually be effective in any way... and I adore that card I say this with love.
Ooh I’ve been considering crafting this deck since I saw his twitter post about it, looking forward to seeing if I can work okay at least lol
Sheoldred is so powerful that it can be a Sorin, too.
I've been running this deck but with Offspring's Revenge for like a year now. Imagine my shock when this competitive pioneer deck shows up out of nowhere
Seth not using the cauldron on Shelly in the second game had me dying inside lol
Not sure how it resolves on Arena, but if you Thrillseeker their Wildgrowth Walker and they give it indestructible in response, doesn't the game draw because your opponent is stuck in a loop since Amalia can't kill it anymore?
I think on arena it would be a loss from the owner of the combo timing out, and in tournament play the person with the infinite combo may be forced to make decisions that makes the combo end (explore all the lands into hand and all the non-lands into graveyard until there are no cards in library so explore fizzles and the loop ends). If they can win that turn they win, if they can't win that turn they lose when they cannot draw.
@@gillablecam you don't stop exploring when your library is empty, you just get infinite +1/+1 counters. So in paper it would be a draw since the combo cannot be stopped by an empty library even.
He doesn't even need to put thrill seeker in the gy. If he has 4 mana, he can just play it, give the counters to the epicure so it gets the ability due to backup, and activate it for 1.
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I thought it was going to be a combo with the new Its Feathers Night
Somehow making Tree's Toughness 1
Edit: it says opponent's creatures
You're NOT playing Triskaidekaphobia in sideboard? What kind of a player are you?
Bruh 19:10, where was that deal when i bought double masters and opened fiery justice/ boartusk liege
49:00 if u had exiled thrillseeker the turn before you could’ve won. You could’ve discarded tree w the tokens, turned mutavault into a creature, exile tree, put a counter on mutavault, tap to exchange life for toughness then used your last mana to sac it and deal the last bit of damage you needed to the face
it was always good....wish i had picked it up last year
I wonder if it would be worth playing some spells like play with fire instead of Thrillseeker to close out the game after the tree ability is activated. Also perhaps playing it in historic and adding Faithless Looting?
I've been playing a tree deck since WOE came out. Ugin's Conjurant and Stonecoil Serpent on 1 will let you set your opponent to 1 before the counter is put on them. I also run Play With Fire to end games at instant speed.
"2 sorins" shelly out here like "am I a joke to you?"
31:22 I don't play arena. But from what I've heard from the comments is that a lot of arena players just play their cards and don't even read what their opponents cards do. I think they just played the chord to play it. I'm sure if they read grafdiggers cage, they would have known.
The card got highlighted white a few times after it was played. This means the opponent at least put their mouse cursor over it. When you hover your cursor over a card, it will show you the full card and it's text, but your opponent will see that you're looking at the card.
So they were either being silly and just happened to run their cursor over that card specifically a few times. or they read it.
@@xchronox0 Thanks for your input! I wasn't aware you could tell if they are reading your card. Last time I played Arena was 2018!
It's a turn 3 deck with the god hand right? I feel like there might even be a modern deck here, since I feel like what you're missing is honestly a bolt. I don't know that the turn one creature would matter that much, the vamp giving you the blood token is a bonus but if your combo is disrupted something cheap with haste like a raging goblin could allow you to goblin+cauldon activation+bolt turn 3 even if you lose your turn 1 guy. I kinda see it as an izzet deck with free counterspells to protect the combo and no real option to cast the tree. There's a god hand/top deck possibility to combo off turn 2.
Turn 1: surveil land putting tree to yard, cast Ornithopter or Memnite
Turn 2: Pyretic Ritual into cauldron, activate cauldron to give ability to freebie creature, activate then bolt. You have the opportunity to pact here to protect your combo if need be (free counterspells were and are a mistake)
This would be cool in orzhov with a vigilance creature to attack and once it’s unblocked tap it to exchange life total and then deal combat damage
i almost wonder if this deck would be a good fit for shrapnel blast. the deck makes a good few blood tokens, and if you've already set their life total to
32 you could've used the blood token to discard and tap soul to exile using the back up ability and you would've been able to tap and sac to win
You really feel the struggle these jank decks go through in non The One Ring formats. It’s such a “fix-it” for these types of decks
Sorin is my favorite praetor
damn whoever built this deck is really smart
20:07 couldn't he not discarded the Thrillseeker and next turn cast trillseeker target it with soul cauldron then sac it and win?
I play a toughness matters deck with tree of perdition catapult fodder to instakill them at any life total in modern 👍
Day 5 ❤ challenging Seth to a game of paper modern over sell table!
Fun fact! I judged the RCQ where this deck's creator won his way into the RC.
Hey! I remember you saying you'd be in on the ground floor of this deck taking off.
how is this the second time a saffronolive video ends up being a tournament winning decklist
55:00 for some reason K-Command feels stupid powerful in Phoenix matchups.
Damping Sphere is good against phoenix because it costs them an extra 3 mana to return the arclights.
Tree of Perdition is fine in Commander, but especially in a Henzie "Toolbox" Torre deck.
Seth, I don't understand why us Magic players use the word punt when making a mistake. Wouldn't fumble make a more correct analogy?
I guess sheoldred is sorin now. 5:48 7:28
The fact that this is a legitimate deck in Pioneer speaks to just how absurdly far above every other option Black's answer suite is in the format. WOTC really needs to either ban Thoughtseize or start printing Path/Bolt/etc. into the format because it's so absurd that Black is the only color that gets 1MV interaction.
I agree. There is no card comparable to Thoughtseize or Push, realistically, in other colors.
@47:15, could you have activated mutivault, played thrillseeker targeting mutivault, then sac mutivault to kill Jegantha?
Would only be 4 damage (5 damage if he also uses the Cauldron), not enough to kill Jegantha, however, it is enough to kill the opponent if he also attacks with it, dealing a total of 10 damage.
What changes the text "tree of perdition" in the tap ability to the name of the creature you attach it to? Wouldn't every creature given this ability still trade life totals with Tree's toughness?
Whenever a card name checks itself, the rules mean "this object".
I just made an insidous root cauldron deck so this is basically free 😅
Not when Tree of Perdition is up to $20 a card because of this deck 😅
As with many of these, the premise of the title is misleading.
This is about proving that Agatha's Soul Cauldron is SO good that it can be good even with a convoluted combo involving bad jank like Tree of Perdition.
15:47 Could've won by using the cauldron to turn epicure into a Sheoldred.
How'd you manage to turn this EDH staple into a pioneer powerhouse XD
You could also make it work using cursed role
How do you get that arena interface where you deckbuild is in the bottom not the side, I think I've seen streamers build their deck in the bottom while drafting but I can't get that interface?
There's a button to the right of your gold and gems. It looks like two rectangles, hover over it and it'll say "change deck layout".
@@kiefers3677 Thank you, I'm usually on my phone but when I pull it up on my pc I hate it, somehow it's just as bad or worse than a phone
Trust me bro, Crippling Fear sideboard, and Sorin Vein Ripper can also go in the deck
Why didn't you tree the land 44 min match exchange life to 2 and swing for 3?
I play it in my phenax edh deck, it usually ends up being a win con
I'm christening this deck "Perdition Stew".
Isn't this more nice in Golgari Roots? No Thrill "combo" but I don't know, It's already a Cauldron & Graveyard's shenanigans deck.
Is there a reason you didn’t play the sorin vein ripper version? Feels like you might be giving up some free wins
Couldnt you just find a way to put 'Cursed Role' on your tree of Perdition to make it a 1/1 and then use that to swap health?
This is why magic is amazing shit cards become good out of no where it’s the best when it’s a meme
This deck needs a Stitcher Supplier somehow.
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6:45 why can't you block caustic bronco? It doesn't have any evasion and it'll just die after you block with harvester and put a counter on it.
I think he doesn't want to get got by the sheoldred's edict
Caludron was tapped. He used it in his turn to eat opponent's goblin token
Game 1 they're a combo deck and Seth boards out Thoughtseize?
maybe Inti could just be replaced with a lightning bolt to finish the game
Amalia Bedalia? I see you are a man of literary culture.😊
23:34 why does the voldaren epicure have so much toughness?
Because due to the ability of tree of perdition granted by the soul cauldron, you exchange the toughness of the creature with the life total of the enemy player. So the toughness of the voldaren epicure becomes the former life total of the oponnent. So its base toughness became 16.
Isn't a much simpler combo running Tree with Spiteful Hexmage and other Cursed Role makers? Make the tree a 1/1, tap and bring the opponent down to 1 with no strings attached.
But then you have to cast and untap with Tree, which is turn 5 at the earliest
Uhh, does Hazel's Brewmaster + Tree of Perdition instakill? Oh, that's why Tree of Perdition shot up in price, isn't it...
I don't believe giving a non-creature non-vehicle Tree of Perdition's ability would work the way you want it to. A food token doesn't have a toughness to exchange, so activating the ability won't do anything.
@@Dalenthas I was curious if that rule has been figured out yet. There are ways to make food creatures though…
I love the tree.
in the situation of epicure + agatha vs haywire at around 34:49 - honestly may have been smarter to wait at first.
would turn into a game of chicken, but the situation was an odd case of you'd be able to put on pressure if you activated agatha in response to haywire, rather than haywire being activated in response to agatha.
case we had roll out here: agatha was activated first, haywire nukes it. we only get the counter and exile.
alternative chain of potential events: haywire activated, agatha gets to resolve and exile the tree, priority passes back around, you snatch their life total with epicure. Agatha is then nuked and opponent is tapped out.
In the following turn, given 3 mana available we have a few other options.
case 1 - we did nuke em the turn prior: We win if we draw a land to play agatha, discard thrillseeker, and then fling into their face. Alternatively at 4 mana we just play thrill, then hit face - no reliance on the agatha.
case 2 - we didn't nuke the turn prior: We're in a rough spot, but playing the second agatha garuntees the nuke. if both cauldrons are on the field, we just target the same card for exile if they try to destroy one, since it doesn't exile till resolution. If they try to destroy in response to us casting the second, we let em - their removal is then gone, so we do the swap. We win still if we draw a land.
both cases we lose to what happened, but both cases we have a chance to win on our next draw.
22:18 Who else was yelling at the screen that he's throwing away the win? The thrillseeker is a win by herself with the tree in gy, she can sac herself after tapping to be the tree, and if they remove her then you can put her under the cauldron instead of wasting 2 turns to do the same thing
What if instead of Inti, you put in Mastermind's Acquisition? Get cards from your sideboard or from your deck. Might help if you need to grab a win con or something from your sideboard. Since you say that Inti didn't help at all, having a tutor that can grab something from sideboard and then you can put in a few "tools" in your sideboard to help "just in case" but don't want to actually sideboard in.
thats too easy, jank > consistency
another argument could be it could throw tempo and mana curve off
@wetbread4980 lol, but also I wanna see what strange name he calls mastermind. He makes up random names for stuff all the time
? Seth won on his next turn. Thrillseeker takes 2 more turns after returning it with K Command as it can't be summoning sick for the tree ability
@@Duall8 yeah, but he can play it and tap at eot use cauldron to put the tree ability on other guy or it do both instead of taking the chance of the player interacting with the combo
Why is this deck not playing a bolt effect?
Because it's pioneer and lightning bolt isn't legal.
@@mikeydildos You know what I mean, this deck should be playing some kind of burn spell
@@abheekpandya8717Let us know what you cut from the list to make it better.
@@aceviru You could replace the fatal pushes with burn spells. Additionally, voldaren thrillseeker seems too gimmicky and is just a harder way of bolting your opponent's face. You could also put burn spells in the sideboard.
@@abheekpandya8717 You're trolling, right? Swapping out a 1 cmc removal spell that can hit 4 drops like Sheoldred (revolted with our blood tokens, which feed our graveyard and synergize with our combo) into a *checks notes* 1 cmc burn spell that does a whole 2 damage to any target and if I use it to hit my opponent with it instead of the Sheoldred, I can scry 1! I see where you're going there. Maybe add in some wizard's lightning. Some slickshot showoffs. Take out the swamps for a better mana base. Hmm. Roiling Vortex in the sideboard so that they don't gain life...
Alright, we've fixed our deck. Lets call it Mono-red aggro but pretend it's Tree combo.
Love it.
yo your background noise fyi
It is quite wild but maybe this deck cqn play reckless handeling?
38:20 couldn't you just use the tree ability on voldaren epicure in response to them exiling your cauldron
next turn you untap with the 4 mana to play voldaren thrillseeker, use it's backup on epicure and pay the last mana to activate the thrillseeker ability on epicure to burn their face off
Then you'd have no blockers, and get attacked by a 16/16 Amalia and a 1/1 Lunarch Veteran, putting you down to -12.
@@Tharkon right fair
I've only watched the intro so far, but I hope that Seth gets into a situation where he has a Thrillseeker in the graveyard and two Trees in hand, then uses the reverse of his intended combo and exiles the Thrillseeker with the Cauldron then drops both Trees and sacs both Trees to do 26 points of damage to win. Not likely to happen, but that would be funny.
6:59 Could've just sac the blood to discard th Tree
28:58 Can't u target yourself there and discard tree then on your turn cauldron mutavault and activate
certainly an option there
Day 3 of me asking them to bring back GOAT magic
Watching Seth pilot this deck gave me heart failure
“I don’t actually have any graveyard hate” while playing a soul cauldron deck really guy does that not exile cards from graveyard for value for you?
Seth misplays this deck a lot and locks himself out of answers.
Choosing a random card of no value from the opponent's graveyard rather than granting your creatures bloodtide's ability is nearly always worse.
Casting rather than cauldroning the thrillseeker is nearly always worse.