The Laziest Interstellar Government
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- Running an interstellar empire takes a lot of work. It seems like some governments decide to just quickly throw something together and then call it a day.
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Ahoy! This is kinda a sequel to a previous video we did about flags! Why not check it out here... th-cam.com/video/UQcrOtT3r2U/w-d-xo.html
bruh i live in Ohio and i don't know why there are so many water parks in sandusky. LOL
Remember that a lot of Armed forces particularly Navies and Air Forces have special roundels and Ensigns to denote their ships and air craft, and they may use their nations national flag elsewhere. It is not logical to assume that space programs could be the same way? And in the alternate universe of Valerian (Point of divergence being the Apollo-Soyuz mission of 1975) the CNSA and NASA might have specific flags and symbols that they put on their astronaut's suits while their space craft use the more widely recognized national flag?
Did you ever consider a series "Fun with flags" where you take different flags from fictional and real nations, past and present and explain their symbolism and history?
Because I would totally watch that.
Maybe the flags are from the national space agency’s?
A truthasoraus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No the laziest interstellar government is my Stellaris Empire when I walk away from computer to have dinner but I forgot to pause it and a couple of decades pass and all my leaders die of old age and we get invaded while my fleets are sitting at the spaceports.
That's precisely why we interlink our economies with the neighbours, force them into defense pacts/military alliances, expand into interstellar choke points, set up layers of defense platforms, marvel at the cascading military spending and create fortress worlds before we go eat dinner. Oh, and shore up the systems with gateways/wormholes. We don't want any pesky aliens sneaking in whilst we're off boiling potatoes.
damn, talk about bad timing
Doesnt event popout eventualy pause the game?
@@apotato6278 Or just Stellaris once you've conquered an entire Arm and you're gettin bored
@@darthXreven way to make everything political. I bet you are the uncle that doesn't get invited to family game night cause you will find a way to make it political.
I can confirm that it would be insulting for your flag to be hidden behind the emblem. In the UN flag, the Philippines was not to be included, since it was too small, and it would just be a dot, to which, the Philippine diplomat replied "I want that dot!" You can imagine the uproar if your flag was hidden.
As a Filipino after I've look up the story, I couldn't help but laugh to myself and thinking how that is our first impression joining the UN.
"I want that doT!" lmao
@UCiiGaDebYBDAb1_TKLaGsbg first off, I don't pay much attention to politics so I'm not informed on what's happening (I only know through memes) so I'm not one to talk about it.
Although you do bring up a good question, UN as far as I know really doesn't do anything or doesn't do much when a conflict happens. Its a wonder why it exist if it can't help in a conflict.
@@santaboy4818 The UN serve as a forum to talk things out BEFORE problems turn into conflicts. This is all speculation, but who knows how many armed conflicts or actual wars were prevented by negotation and dealmaking in the halls of the UN. Once a conflict starts, however, no way the UN itself can do anything. However, as long as it remains there, politicians and diplomats still have an avenue to negotiate a cessation of hostilities, such as what happened to end the Suez Crisis in the 50s.
love how YT bugged out and has 3 messages repeating XD
You can actually see the Philippine flag cut in half in the left side of the flag
I spotted the North Korea flag
So i guess everyone is happy now
North Korea leads the human federation? I can get behind that
I thought they'd be taken over by South Korea already!
@Soma Néo Saki nah east korea
I think you meant Best Korea
@@nicktechnubyte1184 They have been saying that for years now and yet nothing has happened.
Big Brain: make the flag for humanity just a handprint. Kinda doubting that any other alien species will have human hands, and if your government isn't obsessed with murder or at least wants to pretend it isn't, then it's a better, even if less badass, option than a human skull.
I actually rather like the handprint idea. It's simple and neat.
I was thinking of an outstretched hand, sort of representing mankind reaching up for the stars.
Return to ancient roots: a negative-space human hand on a colored background.
*Agrees in Ulster*
The "X" games use Leonardo da vinci's Vitruvian Man as the symbol of humanity. That would look cool on a flag.
To add to the Laziness, there is also the major plot hole about how *Spoilers* :
The Villain main reasoning behind his action is that humanity would be exiled from the station and kicked out of the government, despite the fact that the station was originally build by humans and make up 1/4th of the population. This is akin to kicking France and/or Germany out of the European Union, Russia out of the USSR, or Ontario out of Canada.
I mean the sense of being alienated is a big thing that happens among groups that are a significant minority. Example look at any civil war factions. Like Lebanon.
And being kicked out of the government could also mean losing representation or position.
How can it not happen? It is not controlled by humans so they can be kicked out. Just like any of those nations can be kicked out of the EU if the others vote to do so
@@OHCAM5 "its not controlled by humans"
The Emperium of Man, Terran Dominion, Galactic Empire, Greater Terran Union does NOT support this action
@@OHCAM5 losing 1/4 th of your population and all its reasources, property, and revenue and forcibly removing them via exile would basically spell the end of nearly any country, especially one floating around in empty space. It's like if everyone on the coastal united states, roughly a 1/4 th or 1/3 rd of the us population were all declared noncitizens and forcibly removed and deported to the countries that once settled the areas they lived in like the east cpast to europe, south to France and Spain, southwest mexico etc. when they have no real connection to those places. Even if it's not illegal (which it would be in any stable country) it would be so disruptive any country doing it would basically be shooting itself in the foot and then again in the stomach.
"Like kicking Russia out of USSR"
Poland: you have my attention...
Literally everyone: " The Party in 1984 is the scariest and best totalitarian government in fiction."
Me, an intellectual: " Buy N large superstore!"
But they made floaty chairs, how could they be evil?
''We have all you need! And so much more!''
To this day I have that tiny snippet of the BnL anthem stuck in my head
@@willis32 TheRE TRacKInG uS
@@andrewdiaz3529 BNL?
The flag thing could be a chinese space naval jack, same with the US flag.
I figured they were the future equivalents of the NASA and the Chinese Space Agency symbols.
@@Crazael yea that would basically be their space navy jack flag. Like how the royal navy uses the white ensign for their ships, and the US used to use a blue flag with gold stars and now has a red and white striped monstrosity.
@@davidthomas2870 Actually they use a blue flag with white stars currently. According to Wikipedia anyways, I was curious as I'd never seen our navy jack so I looked it up. They switched back to the old design in 2019 apparently while the oldest active ship in the fleet flies the First Navy Jack which is that red and white striped one
@Live Fast would make sense. Easier to paint onto the side of a ship and recognize at great distance with a telescope
Future use of "old" Chinese flags could be traditionalism or symbolism beyond national identity. It could be showing respect for the space agency or astronauts who pioneered China's first steps towards this historic Chinese space achievement. Or the astronauts could simply be wearing flag patches which represent some subset of future-China's equivalent to today's multinational EU.
We can’t all be the Greater Terran Union.
Not with that attitude.
No need, the GTU will make everyone the GTU in time.
Sounds like you're not doing your part.
@@DomR1997, sounds like someone's monthly water allocation needs to get cut off.
The Mist Man is from Sandusky, Ohio confirmed, he just loved water parks
I live in Ohio lol
Better yet; Sandusky is _ruled by_ the Mist Man!
Wait, it's all Ohio?
@@philthephilosopher9235 always has been
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Then the Union must RAZE SANDUSKY TO THE GROUND!
Say what you will about the government in Valerian, that "Major Tom" first contact montage was awesome.
owen parris well get there, eventually.
I always have a tear in my eye during that and Rutger Haur's speech.
@@mr.k418 probability of encountering other species during existence of their civilization is almost impossible. We'll find their ruins... or rather they'd find ours.
@@TheArklyte but not completely impossible. If there's even a one percent chance, then that's way more than zero.
It’s a great movie, just bad worldbuilding.
Remember that a lot of Armed forces particularly Navies and Air Forces have special roundels and Ensigns to denote their ships, and they may use their nations national flag elsewhere. It is not logical to Assume that space programs could be the same way? And in the alternate universe of Valerian (Point of divergence being the Apollo-Soyuz mission of 1975) the CNSA and NASA might have specific flags and symbols that they put on their astronaut's suits while their space craft use the more widely recognized national flag?
but using that logic, wouldn't the unique flags be on the ships, not the spacesuits?
@@samuelfouch2367 No, as the personal get a "mission patch" while spacecraft fly their nation's flag. (It comes from much older traditions. Think Army unit patch VS a National Flag)
Let's also remember that spaceship exterior isn't just "another coat of paint". I'm not talking any ceramic heat shield material, but considering that car and ship paint are already specially formulated, reworking a spaceship that already got done up in heat- and environment-specific coating or covering would be a massive pain. I'm sure Russia's got some stuff still done up soviet that never got launched, just a hunch
Many of the flags being flown today didn't even exist a few centuries past. Some of them appeared or vanished or changed (again and again) within just the last few decades. Imagine how these symbols might look, what forms they might take, and what polities or alliances or subsets they might represent a few centuries into the future.
I think that is a good canonical answer, though I suspect the cynical truth is the model designers weren't talking to the costume makers (ultimately a studio fault, as they should have design briefs on this sort of thing for all production departments to reference).
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Bravo
I would pay to see that
About the patches on the space suits: the modern emblems may be the symbols of the two countries' respective space forces. This reminds me of how planes usually feature simplified emblems based on their countries' flags and coats of arms, usually circular.
7:01 Repeated? Nah, that's just the flag for Canada 2: Electric Boogaloo
So there are three Americas in this future?
@@ThePCguy17 With the state america is now, I wouldn't be surprise
@@manhphuc4335 Fair enough
What
Repeated pattern is characteristic of Quartering the Field according to Heraldic Design. The Flag is Marshalled to show their claim to the various earth territories. To see a good example of this practice, you can look up the "Grenville Armorial" or just wiki "Heraldry".
English is not my first language, yet I understand and never felt bad about english being some kind of international language, since its so common and used around the world.
Look buddy the main problem is CCP
I'm a native English language speaker, and while I don't think it is a bad one to accidentally get the role, it is also not the best (all natural languages, however, have their quirks and faults, and I am not aware of any that might be significantly better for the role, and am generally unimpressed by most constructed languages I have encountered, too - including ones I have tried to make myself!). .... I just wish we'd catch the spelling up with modern pronunciation... how many centuries ago was The Great Vowel Shift now? 😛
Yeah for better or worse it's been shoved down our throats for nearly a century at this point. I really doubt there is a city on earth without a sign in English
@@vikiai4241English is actually by far the best language for global use, it’s the most straight forward and most detailed language per word spoken, militarily any Spanish or Asian languages are automatically ruled out, they take to long to orchestrate what your trying to say and a good chunk of their speech requires the person listening to ask questions to clarify what’s being said, not to mention most languages don’t evolve as fast as English, being the only native English speaker in my workplace I can understand most Asian or Spanish dialects because they don’t have words for things and the important parts are said in English, anything modern and there is no word for it in a lot of other languages, so if it wasn’t English it’s be a broken form of another language with English sprinkled in.
English the new Latin of the world.
Panem: I'm the most useless and non logical government in science fiction
United Human Government: Hold my beer
At least Panem was was meant to BE illogical in the end. I mean, it was a crumbling dystopia after all. Everything was crumbling slowly about the seams and the elites were still concerned about parties and arranging annual death matches for entertainment.
@@robertgronewold3326 It was designed to prevent any of the districts from being self-sustaining without the Capitol to move resources between them. As a method of control it worked, but it did make their economy highly inefficient.
@@ReddwarfIV Yeah, I know. One drought and everything could fall the pieces instantly.
I mean, they could have at least rebuilt the space station into a Death-Star esque superstructure but instead it's just a mass of space shit.
Yeah, it's just ugly.
@@frankg2790 would you want to go to paris and rip up all the ancient roads and buildings because they "look ugly" and rebuild it all modern and grey and lifeless, no of course not.
@@SpahGaming That's literally what we did during the Second Empire.
Every piece of garbage that dared to call itself a house was razed to the ground so we could get large avenues and proper long-term buildings.
Old Paris is extremely well agenced and got the name of city of light at the time for a reason. Comparing it to this scrap yard is downright insulting.
@@scorpixel1866 Times change and so do buildings, architecture and stylings. Paris, london and many other old cities were all nearly torn down at some point because of their age and people thought they looked like "a piece of garbage", yet they still survive to this day. Point is, this is the future and we can't know if they have been rebuilt. If you have seen the film, you would know that the differant districts around the station that all have differant ages, who is to say that the old bits we see are just protected buildings, or their equivilent.
@@SpahGaming Of course i know, i have the original comics and watched the cartoon too.
Doesn't change that it's a clusterfuck whose only visual appeal is being the aforementioned clusterfuck.
Plus re-arranging structures that float in space is an option, there's no reason to not separate and scrap all the long abandoned sections other than "not enough budget/complaints to care"
The laziness was more evident in the battle tactics and inability of the second in command to relieve his commander of duty or arrest him when their actions resulted in xenocide.
"don't you feel just a little marginalized by this choice?" No. I don't have any particular attachment to English.
I mean I'd moan and whinge as I'm learning a new language but I'm not going to demand that everyone else accomadates my lack of interest in learning a language.
It just makes sense to learn the more common trading and political language if you'd need it, alternative would have to be learning 800+ aquatic languages alone.
Me: Oh good an in depth analysis of how this government is lazy!
Templin: Look at their flag!!!!!!
Me: ... 😕
What about the Citadel Council? I spent three game screaming that the end is nigh and it took them about two and a half to actually take the threat seriously and do something about it.
Nah, that's just realistic - how long have scientists been warning about global warming again?
Me after ME1: What Citadel Council? Hehehe
@@polivarz6191 sheppard had proof and wasn't proven wrong for 50+ years
unless the giant alien robot kicking through the citadel doesn't warrant an eyebrow also yeah killed em too
That is not unrealistic. Huge threats are bad for stability. So leaders try to hide issue *cough* Trump *cough*
@@modisp ehem... let me spelled that for you *_MOST WORLD LEADERS_*
The entire intro to the movie is EXTREMELY french comic-book looking. The style, with the steriotyped cultures, the highly intricate alien species, with sometimes disturbing appearance, the semi-generic "Human government". That's all fits very well with the style of french writers like Pierre Christin (who created Valerian), and Jodorowsky, and cartoonists like Mézière (who drawed Valerian) and Moebius.
It's not really made to be an very realistic despiction of the future. It's more about using archetypes to tell a story.
Whenever he said the word “flag,” I kept hearing “phleg.”
I hear flague
Inignot12 Typo. Already fixed it
I hear phlyeg, there's a weird ye thing in there. I get accents are different but wow...that word stuck out.
J Bryan It sure did...
Sounds like he is from Belfast with saying Fleg
i can already tell this going to be an interesting one!
Ironic.
I feel like the main issue was just adapting this from a comic series that was intended for a French/European audience.
If that was the case it would have sold poorly but have a cult following.
That's precisely why it didn't do well in the box office!
If there was more of an awareness in america, it might have done better!
But I have to say, the movie itself was just not as good as it's supposed to be!
@@nicktechnubyte1184 Yeah the movie is pretty shit.
*Adapting for chinese censorship to get that sweet billion viewers.
I'm now afraid to rewatch 5th Element to find out it was crap too and all my memories are just nostalgia clouding judgement:(
@@TheArklyte It is not, Fifth Element is still a flawless masterpiece :)
"Nepal's flag is awesome"
_grumbling JacksFilms noises_
"Fixing" their flag.. That's pretty damn disrespectful ngl
@@Crafty420 it was a joke man jacksfilms doesn't hate Nepal or something
@@AwesomeNPro Being a joke and disrespectful can happen at the same time. You don't have to HATE something to be DISRESPECTFUL of it
@@Crafty420 ur aware he "fixed" everyone's flags, right? like that was the bit. that was the joke. did you see him fix scotlands flag?
@@dibleopard So he was not intentionally disrespectful to many people, that doesn't make it NOT disrespectful. Two wrongs etc etc.
My only counter argument to a point in this video, would be that the updated flag doesn't hold any meaning or symbolism... To us in our current time.
yeah, he was complaining that the dots on it mean nothing but... look at the eu or the us flag.
the "dudes in cool suits" are from The Fifth Element, and I just thought that was kinda cool
Yeah the movie is full of references
8:24 THE NUMBER OF STARS ON THE EU FLAG ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL TO THE NUMBER OF MEMBER COUNTRIES... Seriously, this kind if "evolved" EU flag is freaking everywhere SF please stop it
I agree that it needs to stop, as it is unrealistic.
Native of Erie County, Ohio here! Sandusky likely has so many waterparks because they appeal to the same tourist crowd that comes up to visit Cedar Point.
There also is the fact that Sandusky has Lake Erie nearby to:
a) provide easy access to fresh water (think of what shipping that much water around costs!)
And b) make people wish they could swim in water that wasn't dirty like old dishwater
...it was dirtier when I was a kid, anyway. Quite all right now.
@@mosesracal6758 I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of a "mist man" in definitive fact.
That said... I would imagine waterparks would be popular with mistmen... mistpeople? Especially the indoors variety (see Kalahari, Great Wolf Lodge) as the sheer humidity produced in said parks can, in fact, create a microclimate. No precipitation as far as rain is concerned, but if the conditions are right, the indoor park may become enshrouded in a hazy, ever shifting fog...
@@mosesracal6758 Mist Man is supposed to be further east. Wendigos regularly haunt near Sandusky. A recent study found 0.07% of people who leave Sandusky at night cannot be located 1 week after their last known trip to Sandusky.
Props to the, well, props department, as well as costume and makeup for making such fantastic costumes for the characters in this. Sure, they might not have been very well thought out, but they're really creative and cool looking.
It was well thought out to look not well thought out.
If you saw the movie, or the OG comics, then the intentional camp is pulpable. Templin dude trying a serious analysis of this stuff is being tone deaf big time. Then again, taking sci-fi media dead serious is kind of their sthikk, so playing being wooshed can be counted as a kind of comedy on their end.
Why are there so many water parks in Sandusky? Two words.
Cedar Point
America's roller coast
It sits on Lake Erie, and what else are they going to do in Sandtucky?
Funnily enough the picture they show in the video isn't even Sandusky. It's from a place nearby called Put-in-Bay.
@@supermasterball1 I love put-in-bay
@@Corbomite_Meatballs There are some islands in Lake Erie that up until the cough, got about 5 million tourists each year. There's also Kalahari, an indoor water park, large amounts of boating and fishing, and now I sound like a tour guide...
Frankly this criticism seems too respectful for the movie it’s focused on. That movie was lazy garbage all-around.
At least they weren't lazy about the visual effects. It was the best I've ever seen in a film next to Avatar.
"I and I alone ride a Truthasaurus"
You're eventually going to run out of ways to say that y'know
The irony, is that the actual government in the comics is called "The Empire of Galaxity" or "The Terran Empire" and is actually a post-scarcity VR society, on Earth at least. They also have much cooler uniforms. It's also mentioned that they are anything but lazy, in fact they got banned for a century from the Core, because they were just a little bit to action happy.
They did Gunboat fucking diplomacy, seriously, read "Ambassador of Shadows" for that.
Also, in this timeline, the world goes suffers a nuclear accident near the poles in 1986 and Galaxity rises out of the ashes of civilization after this.
They only kicked them out because they were doing too good a job of keeping their shit in check. Didn't want the everyone to realize how much better things could be with Terrans in charge.
2:55 - the flag the Chinese astronaut has on his shoulder is based on the Chinese Air Force roundel.
Honestly I think this would be top tier world building if you wanted to show a world was run by a particularly stupid and ineffectual committee. You can tell exactly why the choices that were made, were made, but they are still horrible and bad choices, and anyone involved should be very much ashamed.
Great job 10/10.
The flag seems more like an advertising banner you'd see strung up at a convention or computer wallpaper scrolling endlessly on a screen with the corporate logo slapped on top. I think the real crime is just how frickin ugly and goofy all the spacesuits and uniforms looks
Thing is, that's why it's good scifi. Google the way that people dressed 500 years ago, and the outfits they wore are considered ridiculous by our standards. Chances are, centuries from now, the outfits will look equally ridiculous to our eyes and vice versa.
Well it’s luc basson
@@robertgronewold3326 thy just look like cool PJs
the flag actually is a prime example of real heraldry, and follows heraldry design principles almost to a T. You should look up various heraldry examples and particularly the Grenville Armorial to see what Im talking about.
Not going to lie, I had expected Mark to discuss why the United Federation of Nations failed to win the Stellaris Invicta Season 2 Patron vote. As Mark mentioned in a video made eon's ago, at least it seems that way, most world governments suck. The only exception to this rule is when external pressures force people to cooperate examples of this are the United Nation in Independence Day Resurgence and the Templin Institute's very own Greater Terran Union.
Dan what did they pick, anyway?
The Confederate Republics of Antares with 56% of the vote.
The reason it failed is because the name sucks ass. It’s the type of name someone would use as a placeholder for a better one
I have a question which game is good for creating a space empire?
A big question for the Templin Institute: what's your opinion on the Earth Federation from the anime first Gundam series?
Oh I gotta hear about this.
Oh, yes, let's hear about that!
The whole movie was a lazy piece of cinematography.
What movie is this?
@@bencegergohocz5988 valarian
@@bencegergohocz5988 Valerian and the city of a thousand planets.
I remember seeing all the advertisements and thinking that it was a sequel to Space Chimps before the humans appeared on screen.
That's your critique? That the one specific flaw with this movie is its cinematography, the one thing it does well and frankly spent too much time on, forcing it to compromise on narrative, pacing, and character development?
Went and saw Valerian at the cinema, thought the opening sequence was amazing. My friend was late and arrived during the planetary bombardment sequence 10 minutes later and missed the whole thing. Completely failed to grasp the concept of the City.
As a side note, an amazing opening that was so good, it made the rest of the film seem pedestrian in comparison - my friend thought it was a fun space opera cause he didn't have the letdown of the film never meeting the same heights again.
The only other film that crashes so much from such a momentous start would have to be _Sucker Punch._
Although that film was butchered by studio interference that cut down the rating from R to M.
Sounds like the opposite of Skyline, where you *want* to miss the first third, so you don't hate the characters for the other two thirds! (I hated that film until I realised skipping the 'characters' part turns it into a nice mindlessly-entertaining pop-corn flick.)
Welcome to "least talked about, yet more fascinating science concepts" starring The Templin Institute. Our first episode, what's the laziest galactic government?
Everyone knows that the only acceptable symbols on a united Earth flag are Eagles, stars, swords and the occasional reef.
That second Chinese flag is still Chinese, it is flag of their military forces which is logical when astronauts are part of aeronautic forces.
in universe I don't care what language is on the flag, out of universe I think it should be english
Let's be real, there was very little thought that went into any part of that movie.
The first scene, where most of these clips are from, is an upbeat and hopeful montage of nations, then all of humanity and aliens coming together to build a monument to cooperation and space exploration. All set to Space Oddity.
A song where the lyrics tell the story of an astronaut dying alone in space.
there is always that sence of dread and death in space even if it is good
well there is something to be said for design done by committee, there are a lot of bad flags in the world and often the results are not because of design choices but whatever issue each party is bringing to the table. Now imagine you're trying to design a flag representing every nation on earth. How do you get every country to agree on something when that peace is probably fragile?
e.g no one wants someone to be see as more important than them, so a lazy/bad design rises to the top. SO my case it its believeable that bad design exists.
Sol, Earth orbiting it and human skull. Hey, it worked for Imperium;)
@@TheArklyte Which part of earth do you show?
@@JohnSmith-gz4fs small sphere orbiting the Sol. Probably fully colored the same gold as the sun. Does that insult you?
@@TheArklyte No, that sounds fine.
I prefer a human hand surrounded by a circle with the flag of every nation that can actually afford a space program, as those are the guys who are paying for everything.
Oh! Man! I've known Valerian (and Laureline) since the 70s, and rarely I've seen a movie butcher a serie like this one did (even Disney's Star wars can't beat that). Valerian, then was well in advance for its time and still hold up to this days. The movie title combine 2 books of the collection : "l'empire des mille planètes" (Empire of a thousands planets) and "l'Ambassadeur des ombres" (The ambassador of the shadowed). Station Omega was in fact "Point Central" - A meeting place for all of the races of the known universe. Who created it? No one knows for sure as it was so long ago. All it is certain is that one day, a station was placed that the crossroad of the most traveled trade routes. Then, as in the movie, every races added part to the constructs (sometimes complete part of their homeworld) for what will be soon to be called Central Point. When Valerian and Laureline arrived at the station, they were escorting the fist Galaxity's Ambassador as Earth was just admitted to hold residence in it. Of course, Galaxity main interest in Central point was to use its "gunboat diplomacy" to regulate the business happening there... spoiler alerte!!!!!
It did not go well or as planed. The original story is way better and Laureline shine it this story.
That would have been a far better film.
They completely butcher the story on the first 15 minutes
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When some people say English is the most popular language then sudden two people start laughing in Mandarin and Spanish
I could've made a better flag then that.
I could have pissed on snow, taken a picture, and still have a better flag out of it.
I just call the colour scheme "gold on white".
Yeah, but your flag wouldn't be following proper heraldic principles like this one does. See the Grenville Armorial as proof.
It is thrilling how a universe that wants to be serious ends up with a flag that is little better than Futurama's s earth flag.
English is the 3rd most popular language by # of speakers but it is the default for diplomacy and the UN and it is an American movie so I get why they chose it, its the least problematic part of the flag for me (having words on a flag is weird to begin with).
Astronauts from different countries would still wear the flag of their nationality, not the nationality of their craft.
A frenchman in the ISS would still wear s french flag, and would do so in an EU space mission as well.
Same would go for non-chinese in a chinese spaceship, for any reason they would work together.
In a military, everyone would be recignized as part of the armed forces of the country, even if they were born elsewhere. For example, French Foreign Legion would use french flag, even if its the "Foreign legion".
I think the flag is actually a good idea. Humans are.... compromises.
In fact, let's be honest, if you've got a hodgepodge of different space station sections for your biggest space program project, you're probably going to do the same for your flag. And the lack of progress for flag design is actually pretty funny, since space components are often... behind the times.
A human hand surrounded by a circle with the flags of the nations that can actually afford a space program on it is a better idea, as they are the ones paying for everything involved with the space station.
The flag actually seems to follow heraldic principles quite well. See the "Grenville Armorial" as an example.
Velarium is a visual masterpiece and the intro is one of my top favorites, being a dream for me that our first encounters with aliens is largely peaceful.
Its just too bad the movie is on my list of "All Flavor, no punch." As a artist I love it, but as a movie watcher, I cannot help but point out things that just don't work or are unneeded.
It's quite a stretch to say its the laziest. You can find lazier interpretations in episodes of sci-fi shows. In Doctor Who they would talk about various different human 'Empires' or 'Federations' throughout history who were usually just led by some British people in suit's. You don't have to examine a flag to determine this, you just have to listen to the dialogue.
3:58 ; Okay, now that ... that is just ugly;
on so many levels.
Earliest I've ever been for a Templin Institute. So early in fact, that last time I was this early, Larissa was still the narrator.
As someone from a country with population smaller than Metropolitan Atlanta, tough tidies, life is not fair get a helmet!
The station looks like the result of decades/centuries of space hoarding. Tacking on module after module, and not discarding obsolete ones.
I think the "dots" represent planets.
Sure, they intend to have the station to interstellar space, but at the time of the adventure it's still solidly in our solar system. I recall somewhere it's mentioned it's a few hundred million miles from earth. Which would mean it hasn't gotten past Jupiter yet.
7:30 Those alien languages... one of them (bottom center) looks suspiciously like Klingonese... and another (counter-clockwise neighbor of the previous) looks very much like the Dragon language from Skyrim.
I am citizen of the UHF and I am more concerned with the fact my government yeeted me into Dark Space!
yes, it makes no sence, it only looks like 2km wide at most and if it's "size and weight posed a threat to earth" just push it out like to the moon orbit
3:05 - That's actually a stylized version of the American Peace Flag that was usurped by the American Battle Flag during, and after, the Civil War.
While these are all valid criticisms, i think its important to take into account the kind of themes the Valerian is after.
It's the heavy science fantasy route, and in this kinda story you can kinda defend the stylistic choice to sacrifice details that would make the world make more sense in favour of helping the narative.
For example, having a flag made of 100's of nation flags instead of a new symbol is a bad idea realistically, but doing it this way helps to communicate to the viewer that the human federation exists and what it is in an instant, which is especially useful when the details of said federation are not particularly important given it's history and not particularly relevant to the story.
How I pronounce flag: Fl-ah-g
How Templin Institute pronounces flag: Fl-æ-g
step 1: fleg
step 2: ???
step 3: stonks
Personally I think it was nice of the United Human Federation to use the patchwork quilt their grandmas made for them as their flag.
"Flegs!" - I think this is a guy from Belfast pretending...
Ikr
20 years ago, it was a challenge to give a bunch of countries just new shared bank notes. There would be so much discussion and arguing over a shared flag that in reality the end result could never be anything that could be described as "lazy."
3:46 can we mention the fact that there the Flag for WWI German and Facist Italy on a flag that supposedly was made at least 100 year after both flags were updated and changed at least once
Let's talk Napal for a second
Jacksfilm : "oohh... boyyyy"
the story wasnt lazy...
it was the movie producers , crew and actors (the main ones were horrible) who were LAZY 🤢🤮
I mean this movie while looks good it was a dumpster fire.... I wish it never were made
It could be that the new “US” and “PRC” flags are just specific flags for the space programs? Kinda like how the naval jack of the US is just the red and white stripes or the blue field with stars.
It's Valerian, of course it's shit. What d'you expect?
The United Human Federation government is not lazy... the gods that created their universe are.
more like the adaptors of the movie
One lazy one I think I can add to the pile is the Earth Federation in Gundam, especially in the later UC timeline. Though maybe it is disqualified as it is not interstellar yet.
That was literally the worst movie I have ever seen... even worse than Star Wars 8 or the 3rd new Star Trek movie (can't remember the name). I regret going to theaters to see that one.
The only other one I regret more is After Earth. I made the mistake of expecting something like 5th Element.
@@ReikaLady I thankfully avoided that one, but the trailer intrigued me because it used a track from Deus Ex: Human Revolution (I'm a nerd, I hear things like that Lol).
@@blackmonish Mom wanted to see it for mother's day. :(
@@ReikaLady oooh ouch... Well, at least you suffered for someone you love. Did you both at least rip on the movie together afterward?
@@blackmonish Mom loved it. :(
I had no idea about the flags in Event Horizon, I appreciate that movie even more now
0:30 heyyy there's a thing that is definitely the modern ISS at the right of that thing!
"Such as the warlike Florida Men, who breed chaos"
7:55 no. English isn't my native language and I don't see anything wrong about using the most predominant or even a dead (like Latin or smth) language or even any other specific language on any flag. You'd have to be pretty thin skinned to feel marginalized for such a petty reason. Beside, what's preventing flags from being localized? Just change the language for wherever it's being placed or broadcasted to.
Well changing it to something in a alien language i wouldnt like
Having read lot of Valerians books in my youth, the movie will always be baffling to me, because you can clearly see the throughline of the original work, but at the same time it diverge from it for no clear season and its weird because it feel like it was Besson doing a pet project.
The intro was fun though
Do a video on the Hearts of Iron 4 mod The New Order
Who cares????? If you have to over analyze a bad movie to make a video than step back and find another topic
Well, 22 thousand people cared in the first three hours, so I'm pretty happy with this idea for a video.
Can you blame them for being lazy?
They did not had to fight tooth and nail for the survival of their species. They met peace long before their federation was even formed.
They didn´t had to overcome every burden, They didn ´t had to utilize every wonder.
They never had to look up into the starfilled sky and say: YOU CAME TO THE WRONG NEIGHBOURHOOD FOOL!
Peace-sickened humans always grow decadent.
Came here for The Laziest Interstellar Government, got The Interstellar Government With The Laziest Vexillographer instead..
Tbh I think the flags in space are some sort of "aye look, we're in space and cool!" while the still modern flags are meant to be used in an a more geopolitical sense. Or in other words: Space flag = look cool, Earth flag = official capacity.
That demographics update scene was my first clue that this film would not be particularly good.
That flag is not a mess. It is a good example of following proper Heraldic Design Principles. Evening including the doubling aspect of Quartering when Marshalling the Field. See the "Grenville Armorial" to understand what I mean.
Why would they name it the "Human Federation", if the organization was created BEFORE they made contact with aliens? That just sounds weird. That would be like us naming the UN the "United Human Nations".
Okay, when Voyager came back in ST:TMP, it left the size of a compact car and came back 48 miles long with an energy cloud over 2AU in size surrounding it. All I can think of now is how fucking big is that artificial world gonna be when it decides to come home eventually.
It's great how that flag is messed up. Square flags, like Switzerland, stretched out. Canada twice....
9:14 This is a lot worse with the entire scene included. It's actually some of the most poorly written exposition I've ever seen.
Another thing I was surprised wasn’t mentioned is what about the disputed countries? Are they gonna put the flag of Taiwan, Kosovo, Abkhazia, etc on it? How many more people would you insult with that?
As an Norwegian (english isn't our main language), I don't see a problem with English on the earth-flag. English is the de-facto international language and I'm not embarrassed to say so. And yes it's okey for whatever that future language if it's the de-facto pan-planet flag.
That movie is OK you are just being a mean critic using your aggressive style of criticism you should call war hammer the most lazy of all because of the ...........................
Maybe you wanted to make a video and decided to condemn that movie because its easier and you are too lazy to know that it would be more fun and a longer video if you made the video explaining all the good things and how they works in this fictional world not matching your stereotypes for reality .
Maybe that's how the flags looked when it was created and they decided not to add every update in every nation flag ............your argument is not the best
Norway, Finalnd, Canada, Malaysia, Liberia, and the USA are so integral to the UHF that we put those flags twice or 3 times.