You saved a ton of headaches for me. Your tips perfectly applied to my new iPhone 12 pro shots. One thing on the mixing SDR and HDR though. Even after applying the HDR Tools effect, my clip looked totally washed out. Upon looking in the settings for HDR Tools, I realized that there is a drop-down selection for PQ Output Tone Map. As soon as I selected that, my clip looked perfect! Thought of sharing here if anyone gets stuck there.
I watched quite a few TH-cam videos to try to figure this out and this video is simply the best explaining what is going on with the iPhone 12 HDR in FCP, really easy to understand and to the point!
I absolutely agree. This video saved me a lot of time. Too bad I had to waste my time with so many other videos. Who would have thought Apple would have sold me a phone with a camera I can't even use with their software??? I got the iPhone 12 Pro Max to make better videos for my TH-cam channel. And basically FCPX can't even handle it without the miniature science project described in this video. I am so mad!
FCP 10.5.1 has added an Apple Devices export option for 8 and 10 bit HEVC. 8 bit for SDR, and 10 bit for wide gamut output, as 10 bit is required for HDR. At 4K, maximum bitrate is fixed at 15Mbps, and all resolutions are capped at 30p maximum for some odd reason. There is a Dolby Vision 8.4 option as well, but unless you want to limit your HDR to only Apple devices, and break it for everyone else, stay away from that. For best compatablity, I recommend a PQ timeline, and add the HDR Tools "HLG to PQ" effect to all clips. This generates an HDR10 version that can be viewed in HDR glory by any and all HDR devices.
I had no idea what I was in for when I upgraded from iphone XR to the 12 Pro! Thank you for this...I feel like I have to re-learn how to take and edit video! LOL
Actually you don't. Turn off HDR in camera settings and your phone will shoot normal video just like your XR and you won't have to do anything in Final Cut to get it to look right.
Thx. Really clear explanation of both the science AND how to work with the clips in different project types. Definitely the best explanation I found on You Tube. Thank you!
Wow!! Thanks for this. Much appreciated. I hadn't realised that FCP couldn't handle HDR (without these work-arounds) yet. Well I hopefully will get my iPhone 12 next week. I'm thinking I'll wait for the FCP update - and hope it works! :)
Thanks for that. I recently got the iPhone 12 Pro max and tried to mix some video footage with that taken using my Nikon Z6 in 4k. I couldn't understand why the iPhone footage looked great on the iPhone but just wouldn't work in FCPX where I wanted to mix the footage with the Nikon clips. Now I understand.
You saved my life. The best ever tutorial on Editing HDR VIdeos in FCP. By now FCP 10.5 has been released. Can you explain the workflow in this new version. Thanks
This is a great video - telling how the concept and workflow of editing HDR video, rather than other TH-camr just review on the spec of the phone. For home video capturing like me, may be for now II'm good with SDR video recording. Added a workflow for HDR video might be too heavy for me. But interesting to explore more on HDR editing in FCPX - When I feel comfortable, then I'll hop on.
Thanks, Mark, for showing what hoops to jump through, clearly! Tech is always advancing faster than our pocketbooks, and Apple’s varying departments. 😂😭😭
Also, when mixing HDR and SDR footage you are not limited to the one option of delivering SDR. You can still edit and export HDR and expand the SDR to HDR in the process.
Great video. Boy that Prores export file size is massive. Any idea when the h.265 10bit hardware coding export will come to Final Cut? When I use that now on my 2019 16 Core MacPro, it takes foreeeever to export a 10bit h.265 file.
Thanks, I've not seen a any ripple training videos for year and this HDR stuff is really quite confusing as I imported some footage from my new 12 pro into FCPx (I'd not really edited properly for 4 years or so) and was perplexed as to why the shots were blow out. Adding photos also added to the confusion. ....... and now we have RAW photos..... becoming a little clearer now but wow things have moved along quite a bit in the past few years with the GH5 having HDR and TVs too, I have not got either :( And let's not get started with LUTs to view footage ......
Thanks for the tutorial! Q: if I'm always dealing with at least some SDR from a regular camera within the same project, am I best off just turning off HDR on my iphone 12 to avoid these problems?
Thanks for the tips. This was easy! I'm in the middle of mixing iPhone 10 with about 12 HDR clips from my new phone. The image still looks horrible after a touch up in color grading. Since it's my kids end of year video I don't care so much but I've turned off HDR probably for the rest of 2021.
Fabulous video. I’m Fortuny I have to work that out the hard way last month, but this is an excellent explainer. One thing that might be worth adding is that compressor give you more options for export and cheaper in and 80 GB Dolby HDR film, which seriously is probably only about 5 1/2 minutes, down to about 650 MB. Obviously you can judge from the output image whether it works for you, but it supposed to be pretty dam good :-) thanks so much for the content
Such a great video. Thanks. My question - how do you think the current, near future and far future of video production will be effected and what time line would you use, in how this will change everyday workflow? For example A few years back 4K was gonna change everything in radical ways, yet it really has not for the normal viewer. HDR on the other hand will be in the palms of many people over the next few years. So do we all start capturing in HDR to future proof the usefulness of our current work? Sorry for the long and confusing question but curious if this is the game changer I think it could be.
I do think the combination of newer screens capable of increased brightness values and displaying the wider color gamut of Rec. 2020 will lead to HDR delivery becoming more and more mainstream. Remember, cameras have been capable of shooting HDR for years - any camera that shoots log is capturing way more dynamic range than SDR at 6.8 stops and max 100 nits brightness. We've just squeezed all that extra color and dynamic range down to Rec. 709 for years due to viewing limitations. Screens will drive the shift.
Super helpful as always Mark. Would connecting a Mac to a 4k tv work as a means of viewing the video in its full dynamic range while grading or does it need to be a proper monitor?
Super helpful video. Note that you are only getting SDR in TH-cam on Safari because your Mac is-I assume-running macOS Catalina. Starting with macOS Big Sur, TH-cam can support HDR playback in Safari. Chrome unfortunately seems to be broken and does not correctly play HDR content on TH-cam-of all places-, whether you're on Catalina or Big Sur.
Thanks for sharing this info, very helpful. I’ve noticed the video file is quite large when exporting a short clip. Any suggestions on exporting a smaller file without losing quality?
So it’s passed the end of the year now and I still don’t recall seeing a FCP update that Apple mention on the screenshot of their site here saying FCP will work better with HDR (like Clips?!). Have I missed something?!
Im not 100% positive on this, But I believe with the 10.5 update, Apple may have “Improved” (not actually fixed to 10 bit Dolby Video) viewing, but added editing to H.264 at various video qualities, (not the complete 10bit dolby kind of quality we would want) but a bit better and, if your settings are set right, it will work, and also the thumbnails will not look washed out, We are now on FCP-10.5.1, Which that update only added the ability and option to create a file share ready for TH-cam & FaceBook , and few stability updates. Like I said, Im not 100% on this, Just going by update release notes, Hope this helps,
Super great tutorial. However, when I did this on clips in a synchronised clip, then my footage is very toned down while I'm inside the synchronised clip. But when I close it then it looks fine. But it makes it a lot harder to color correct when the clips have more like an un-graded slog-3 look... ? Do you know why?? I have also disabled the "Show HDR as Tone Mapped" with no result..? Ok so did some more tests.. and when inside the Synchronised clip it seems to be "correct" colors when I disable the HDR Tools!?
Great video! To watch those dolby vision clips - does it matter what type of HDR monitor you have? Or do you need a specific one? Does the MacBook Pro screen have any issues with it? Thanks!
Mac Screens are not HDR monitors. The max brightness on the new M1 macbook pro is only 500 nits. You need at least the Apple XDR display (1000 nits) . and even that is not a "true" HDR monitor because it is display-referenced HDR not scene-referenced HDR.
@@rippleguys oh dang! That’s crazy. Will a regular HDR 10 / or 400 be enough to see the footage in Dolby vision? Just trying to find a monitor to edit the footage after I get the phone. Thanks for the quick response!!!
@@straightxedging You can edit the footage. FCP treats the dolby vision clips like any other clip. The question is, can you see all the brightness and color that's encoded in the dolby vision clips? The answer is no. You need a monitor capable of at least a 1000 nits. The entire point of the video is to demonstrate how you can use FCP to tone map the HDR clips so they are viewable on non-HDR displays.
For sharing to TH-cam, is there a difference in how I should go about finalizing the project from what you did here, if I'm going to AirDrop the finalized clip back to my wife's phone so that she can post it on her TH-cam channel, or would it be better/ easier for her to just post it into TH-cam from my MacBook?
The original move file is transferred to your Mac. When you output it, you are forced to transcode it. So it really depends on the codec you are using to transcode. In general, using the H.264 preset or ProRes is visually lossless - so you won't see any difference.
Thank you Mark for this awesome tutorial! I have some HDR iPhone 13 Pro Max video which looks totally awesome outside of FCPX. I'm running a new loaded MacBook Pro M1 Max w/ Monterey. Upon dropping my HDR into my SDR timeline it is blown out as you stated. I then went into the effects browser and dragged in HDR Tools onto the clip which did help. Following that, I went into the video inspector and under HDR tools, I clicked on HLG to Rec 709. Now my video is really dull compared to my original clip outside of FCPX. Tried color grading but, can't even come close to that awesome HDR. Any ideas why? Thanks again!
It will never look the way the HDR clip looks. SDR is 100 nit brightness and HDR is 1000 Nit. Outside of FCP, the OS is capable of displaying the full NIT range of HDR. If you want it to look that way, then edit your HDR iPhone footage in an HDR project and use HLG
I notice on the export options the file size is 24 GB. I just exported a similar project in HDR 26GB and it took me 6 hours to upload to youtube. Is there anyway to reduce the file size and still get HDR? FYI, I am brand new to FCPX
Make sure you are using Final Cut 10.5.1. Your library should be set as wide gamut and you should export a master file in H.264 Wide Gamut HDR Rec 2020 HLG.
@@rippleguys Just double checked, and I am on 10.5.1. If I export in H.264 with Wide Gamut HDR Rec 2020 HLG it comes up with a warning in the bottom left of the export saying "Using an 8 bit codec with HDR content may affect video quality" So I made a second export just for kicks and it does affect it quite a bit it looks terrible. Basically I was wondering if there is a way to shrink the master file, That way it doesn't take half a day to upload it to TH-cam
@@rippleguys Sorry for all the questions. One more, when showed how it looks all blown out when viewing on chrome in HDR, is that how everyone will see the videos unless they are on a new iphone? Just seems like it's probably not worth the hassle to even shoot in HDR with the huge file sizes and incompatibility across devices
@@MichaelBordenaro Honestly its not. HDR workflow is still too convoluted for most folks, and you're already experiencing that. At this stage, still better off just delivering a standard rec709 video until all this stuff gets sorted out. Glad you found our channel
@@rippleguys agreed I don’t think it’s worth it either way too complicated and really doesn’t look much better than normal 4K IMO. Glad I found your channel too thank you so much for all your help!
You're viewing this video in TH-cam in SDR, so it won't look like the experience Mark is seeing on his screen. The clip in the preview window (e.g. at 2:19) should look in HDR, although tone mapped to his MacBook Pro screen. For the full HDR look, he would need a better HDR display, e.g. Pro Display XDR.
I find it ASININE to color correct with scopes and to color correct HDR video without an HDR MONITOR that would give control points indicating actual LAB, CYMK, or RGB (rec 2020 not sRGB or adobe RGB) NUMBERS.
Really good video - But do you know how it is possible to upload an HDR video to Facebook? ( And what format it should be exported to) It does not look quite right on a phone but on a mac it looks fine? We record on an iphone 12 pro max.
Great video and great explanation. Although, it’s sad when Apple’s software cannot work with it’s own video formats. What is even sadder is when I placed the same clips in DaVinci Resolve and it “just worked”. I am definitely an Apple fan. But, they failed us on this one with Final Cut Pro X.
@@MotionTips that’s not the issue. If I record something on my phone (which has hdr turned on) and then my wife records something on her phone, and then I collect the footage and try and use both in Final Cut Pro, you run into this issue. However, if I import it and create my project in Davinci Resolve, then it works fine and looks fine with no issues. Apple needs to be able to see this and automatically apply the hdr filter or whatever it needs to display correctly. For advanced users, I can definitely understand wanting control. But, for your average TH-cam video creator, it can be a frustrating experience. Good thing Ripple Training is here to explain all of this. They make great content!
Anyone try using effects or different texts and it makes it all go grey? IS apple planning to address this? Also effects that I've installed are not working with the HDR footage like glitch effects or light rays it all looks really bad.....any solutions to this I can't find anything online.
Another way to convert HDR to SDR on (any!) iPhone with iOS 14 is to share the video via Airdrop and disable the All Photos Data in the airdrop share settings. The SDR version will almost look the same, and it will not be blown out. Of course it will be encoded with H.264 but the file size will be nearly equal, but it will converted be immediately to Rec.709. The funny thing is iMovie for iOS already supports Dolby Vision, however iMovie for macOS currently does not .Anyway macOS BigSur Public Beta also supports HDR Tone Mapping as well. Check out my vid about Airdrop sharing: th-cam.com/video/9g0zpTvjsl4/w-d-xo.html
Is it possible to upgrade SDR footage to HDR in order to incorporate it in a HDR project? If you have mixed footage, it’s a waist to downgrade the HDR...
You explain how to bring HDR footage into an SDR project and tone map it. But the reverse scenario would be more useful: bring an SDR clip into an HDR project, maybe to contrast how much more HDR brings to the experience... Right now it doesn't seem super easy, the imported SDR clip looks quite dark in a way that isn't comparable to how it looks in a normal rec709 project.
There would be no practical reason to do that since the SDR clip is clamped to Rec 709 so you can't deliver a program in HDR that includes REC 709 clips - well you could but they won't match.
heres my situation. i went to vegas and first half of the trip i recorded with my sony a6500. second half i recorded with my iphone 12 pro max and its HDR. Could i edit both of them together?
Hi Mark.....I shot some footage on my iPhone 12 pro max in 4k/HDR/24fps and even though I had my project settings set to HLG 2020, after import, the project goes back to Rec. 709. Does an airdrop from phone to macbook change the Color Space while the phone is 'converting'? I noticed in your tutorial, yours didn't. Also, I shot in a room with a few studio LEDs, maxed out the exposure (assuming HDR could handle that) yet looking at my RGB Parade as you show at 3:32, my values flatline at 50, as if there is a ceiling there. Yours easily go to 100. Again, wondering if I'm throwing Luminance away. Finally, setting View > Show HDR as Tone Mapped has no effect on my 27" thunderbolt monitor. I've watched Justine's FCP Summit class and her HDR video there too was super blown out as expected but I can't seem to replicate either of yours. STRANGE!: I just looked again at the project and it got itself all sorted out! RGB has full range 0-100. What I observed was that the Project had changed to rec 709 (which shows the full range) The other strange thing is the clip itself always itself as rec 709. The minute i change my Project properties to HLG 2020, I go back to half the luminance values. (clip will always show itself as rec 709, however) Still thinking my iPhone is converting the clips color space during Airdrop? When I view the clip on the iPhone itself, I see "HDR" in the preview window. SOLUTION: The reason the clips were coming over as Rec709 (Color Profile = HD (1-1-1)) was I didn't have "High Efficiency" set in the Camera settings, which is require in order to capture the *Dolby Vision* aspect to HDR footage. I had no idea HDR could still be Rec 709 but once I selected that, my clips came in at Rec 2020 HLG (Color Profile = BT.2020 HLG (9-18-9))
should i just record in 10bit sdr then instead of hdr? was going to hire a editor. just going to film me walking/talking in a property and some broll of property
HDR at the moment is still a world of hurt. Most people will be watching in 8bit SDR. Shooting in 10 bit will definitely give you better images and allow you to get better color correction, but at the end of the day, it's still being stomped into 8bit by the service you are uploading to.
There are a number of things that have to be in play before it can recognize it as HDR - 1) the Library you are working in must be Rec 2020 2) the clip is 10 bit Dolby Vision clip or HLG clip
HDR is a royal pain unless only viewed on an iPhone. We've since updated our tutorial to give more clarity. You can avoid all of this by just turning off HDR recording for your phone and it will go back to recording the way you are used to. Updated video: th-cam.com/video/H4RSS8g5HLU/w-d-xo.html
Great presentation Mark. While technically doable, this seems like a lot of work for a tiny audience Sorry, but in words of Steve Jobs, HDR seems like a big bag of hurt. Why make a a video that can only play back on an iPhone 12 pro or an HDR monitor, TV? Not you on your MBP, not your iPad or any normal display. Just saying.
This was not helpful at all! I just upgraded from an iPhone XR to iPhone 12 pro max and also bought a new MacBook so this is my first time ever using Final Cut Pro and all this is just so confusing to me
If you are new to the world of HDR and Final Cut, yes, there is a learning curve - Make it easy on yourself and forget shooting in HDR on your new iPhone. - just shoot SDR (and learn how to edit in Final Cut- the other more technical stuff will come over time.
@@rippleguys yes I didn’t realize I was shooting in hdr until after I got home and tried to edit. I then tried to do a test record at home, but I think the 12 pro max always shoots in hdr. I’m so screwed
@@MsFendiTv Yes, it shoots in HDR automatically but you can turn it off in Camera Settings. This will make your life easier moving forward. You aren't screwed at all. All you need to do is create a standard project in FCP (SDR), then add your HDR iphone clips. You'll need to add an effect called HDR tools to squish all that extra brightness into a standard brightness. If you follow the steps he lays out at this timecode, you should be good to go - th-cam.com/video/rp3zXcyYyuo/w-d-xo.html
@@rippleguys thank you, I’m finding this really helpful. So I followed the steps in the video and I was able to edit and save, but when I watch the saved clip it still looks blown out. If I upload it to TH-cam like that it’s gonna tone down right? Or no?
@@MsFendiTv You still need to use the color board to reduce the exposure on the clip as shown in the video. Just adding the HDR effect is not enough. TH-cam will not correct for the overexposure .
You saved a ton of headaches for me. Your tips perfectly applied to my new iPhone 12 pro shots. One thing on the mixing SDR and HDR though. Even after applying the HDR Tools effect, my clip looked totally washed out. Upon looking in the settings for HDR Tools, I realized that there is a drop-down selection for PQ Output Tone Map. As soon as I selected that, my clip looked perfect! Thought of sharing here if anyone gets stuck there.
I watched quite a few TH-cam videos to try to figure this out and this video is simply the best explaining what is going on with the iPhone 12 HDR in FCP, really easy to understand and to the point!
I absolutely agree. This video saved me a lot of time. Too bad I had to waste my time with so many other videos. Who would have thought Apple would have sold me a phone with a camera I can't even use with their software??? I got the iPhone 12 Pro Max to make better videos for my TH-cam channel. And basically FCPX can't even handle it without the miniature science project described in this video. I am so mad!
You are doing the job for Apple. They should pay you for this simple instructions. Thank you.
Precisely. It's something they should've thought about as the actual FCP vendor
FCP 10.5.1 has added an Apple Devices export option for 8 and 10 bit HEVC. 8 bit for SDR, and 10 bit for wide gamut output, as 10 bit is required for HDR. At 4K, maximum bitrate is fixed at 15Mbps, and all resolutions are capped at 30p maximum for some odd reason. There is a Dolby Vision 8.4 option as well, but unless you want to limit your HDR to only Apple devices, and break it for everyone else, stay away from that. For best compatablity, I recommend a PQ timeline, and add the HDR Tools "HLG to PQ" effect to all clips. This generates an HDR10 version that can be viewed in HDR glory by any and all HDR devices.
Apple should've sent you guys a couple iPhone 12's. You gentlemen carry FCPX and Motion.
Thx Mark, exactly what I was looking for. Need to play around with this, but the steps are clear. Another great tip!
Thank you so much for this tutorial! I have watched several videos and none of them helped as much as this one!
I had no idea what I was in for when I upgraded from iphone XR to the 12 Pro! Thank you for this...I feel like I have to re-learn how to take and edit video! LOL
Actually you don't. Turn off HDR in camera settings and your phone will shoot normal video just like your XR and you won't have to do anything in Final Cut to get it to look right.
Very cool, thanks for the tutorial! Enjoy wherever you are Mark!
Wonderful how you made a very complex subject into an easy-to-understand video. Thanks!
really helpful, thank you!!! going with option 2 as with option 1 my HDR export is over 150GB!
Thx. Really clear explanation of both the science AND how to work with the clips in different project types. Definitely the best explanation I found on You Tube. Thank you!
It is a great tutorial, really resolve the puzzle I had on how to edit HDR footage in FCPX,Thank you very much!
Wow!! Thanks for this. Much appreciated. I hadn't realised that FCP couldn't handle HDR (without these work-arounds) yet. Well I hopefully will get my iPhone 12 next week. I'm thinking I'll wait for the FCP update - and hope it works! :)
Thanks for this! BTW, please try to talk Justine into doing a new "advanced" FCPX tutorial. Her first one was great!
I swear to god this guy is doing gods work 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great, I was hoping you'd cover this. Awaiting my 12 Pro Max eagerly to try this.
Thanks for that. I recently got the iPhone 12 Pro max and tried to mix some video footage with that taken using my Nikon Z6 in 4k. I couldn't understand why the iPhone footage looked great on the iPhone but just wouldn't work in FCPX where I wanted to mix the footage with the Nikon clips. Now I understand.
You saved my life. The best ever tutorial on Editing HDR VIdeos in FCP. By now FCP 10.5 has been released. Can you explain the workflow in this new version. Thanks
The version he showed is 10.5
@@rippleguys Oh really. I thought the new version is FCP without the X.
This is a great video - telling how the concept and workflow of editing HDR video, rather than other TH-camr just review on the spec of the phone. For home video capturing like me, may be for now II'm good with SDR video recording. Added a workflow for HDR video might be too heavy for me. But interesting to explore more on HDR editing in FCPX - When I feel comfortable, then I'll hop on.
In HDR tools you should not leave the default conversion, but choose the HDR HLG to SDR one. Then you don’t need any further color correction.
Wow. That was really, really, really good. SUPER helpful!
This saved my day!!! Thanks!!!!!
Great helpful video, thanks Mark 👏
Waiting for my iPhone 12 pro ....Thanks Mark !
I didn't know about the "HDR Tool" thank you!
Thanks, Mark, for showing what hoops to jump through, clearly! Tech is always advancing faster than our pocketbooks, and Apple’s varying departments. 😂😭😭
OMG Thank you soooooo much. This is the only video that works for me!!!! Thank you a tonnn!!!!
This video is FANTASTIC! Thanks!
Hi Mark. Great one. Shouldn't we use the color correction wheels after the HDR Tools though?
I always appreciate being given this information. Thank you Mark. (:
Are you privy to the new FCPX?
Great tutorial..!
Also, when mixing HDR and SDR footage you are not limited to the one option of delivering SDR. You can still edit and export HDR and expand the SDR to HDR in the process.
Hi, you are awesome! That was incredibly useful. Thank you
Great video. Boy that Prores export file size is massive. Any idea when the h.265 10bit hardware coding export will come to Final Cut? When I use that now on my 2019 16 Core MacPro, it takes foreeeever to export a 10bit h.265 file.
THANKS SO MUCH! Really helpful
Thanks bro!
Good stuff, Mark! Enjoy your vaca!
Not vacation, working here, but can't complain :-)
Thanks, I've not seen a any ripple training videos for year and this HDR stuff is really quite confusing as I imported some footage from my new 12 pro into FCPx (I'd not really edited properly for 4 years or so) and was perplexed as to why the shots were blow out. Adding photos also added to the confusion. ....... and now we have RAW photos..... becoming a little clearer now but wow things have moved along quite a bit in the past few years with the GH5 having HDR and TVs too, I have not got either :( And let's not get started with LUTs to view footage ......
Thanks for the tutorial! Q: if I'm always dealing with at least some SDR from a regular camera within the same project, am I best off just turning off HDR on my iphone 12 to avoid these problems?
I agree don’t shoot HDR on iPhone - it will save you a lot of steps
Thanks for the tips. This was easy! I'm in the middle of mixing iPhone 10 with about 12 HDR clips from my new phone.
The image still looks horrible after a touch up in color grading. Since it's my kids end of year video I don't care so much but I've turned off HDR probably for the rest of 2021.
Hopefully you understand that it's not the video created by the iPhone or Final Cut -
@@rippleguys Yeah, I get that. Thanks guys again thou for the video and that you mentioned mixing HDR and SDR together.
Fabulous video. I’m Fortuny I have to work that out the hard way last month, but this is an excellent explainer. One thing that might be worth adding is that compressor give you more options for export and cheaper in and 80 GB Dolby HDR film, which seriously is probably only about 5 1/2 minutes, down to about 650 MB. Obviously you can judge from the output image whether it works for you, but it supposed to be pretty dam good :-) thanks so much for the content
Such a great video. Thanks. My question - how do you think the current, near future and far future of video production will be effected and what time line would you use, in how this will change everyday workflow? For example A few years back 4K was gonna change everything in radical ways, yet it really has not for the normal viewer. HDR on the other hand will be in the palms of many people over the next few years. So do we all start capturing in HDR to future proof the usefulness of our current work? Sorry for the long and confusing question but curious if this is the game changer I think it could be.
I do think the combination of newer screens capable of increased brightness values and displaying the wider color gamut of Rec. 2020 will lead to HDR delivery becoming more and more mainstream. Remember, cameras have been capable of shooting HDR for years - any camera that shoots log is capturing way more dynamic range than SDR at 6.8 stops and max 100 nits brightness. We've just squeezed all that extra color and dynamic range down to Rec. 709 for years due to viewing limitations. Screens will drive the shift.
Super helpful as always Mark. Would connecting a Mac to a 4k tv work as a means of viewing the video in its full dynamic range while grading or does it need to be a proper monitor?
For grading, you need to connect through an AJAiio4K plus that can read the metadata to identify the type of HDR to display (HLG or PQ).
Super helpful video. Note that you are only getting SDR in TH-cam on Safari because your Mac is-I assume-running macOS Catalina. Starting with macOS Big Sur, TH-cam can support HDR playback in Safari.
Chrome unfortunately seems to be broken and does not correctly play HDR content on TH-cam-of all places-, whether you're on Catalina or Big Sur.
Yes, I confirmed you are correct. I'm running Big Sur and Safari plays the HDR content correctly. Thx for the comment!
Very good point thank you!
Thanks for sharing this info, very helpful. I’ve noticed the video file is quite large when exporting a short clip. Any suggestions on exporting a smaller file without losing quality?
So it’s passed the end of the year now and I still don’t recall seeing a FCP update that Apple mention on the screenshot of their site here saying FCP will work better with HDR (like Clips?!). Have I missed something?!
Im not 100% positive on this, But I believe with the 10.5 update, Apple may have “Improved” (not actually fixed to 10 bit Dolby Video) viewing, but added editing to H.264 at various video qualities, (not the complete 10bit dolby kind of quality we would want) but a bit better and, if your settings are set right, it will work, and also the thumbnails will not look washed out, We are now on FCP-10.5.1, Which that update only added the ability and option to create a file share ready for TH-cam & FaceBook , and few stability updates.
Like I said, Im not 100% on this, Just going by update release notes, Hope this helps,
@@chrism.4600 thank you will check
We created an update to this video here: th-cam.com/video/H4RSS8g5HLU/w-d-xo.html
Super great tutorial. However, when I did this on clips in a synchronised clip, then my footage is very toned down while I'm inside the synchronised clip. But when I close it then it looks fine. But it makes it a lot harder to color correct when the clips have more like an un-graded slog-3 look... ? Do you know why?? I have also disabled the "Show HDR as Tone Mapped" with no result..?
Ok so did some more tests.. and when inside the Synchronised clip it seems to be "correct" colors when I disable the HDR Tools!?
Great video! To watch those dolby vision clips - does it matter what type of HDR monitor you have? Or do you need a specific one? Does the MacBook Pro screen have any issues with it? Thanks!
Mac Screens are not HDR monitors. The max brightness on the new M1 macbook pro is only 500 nits. You need at least the Apple XDR display (1000 nits) . and even that is not a "true" HDR monitor because it is display-referenced HDR not scene-referenced HDR.
@@rippleguys oh dang! That’s crazy. Will a regular HDR 10 / or 400 be enough to see the footage in Dolby vision? Just trying to find a monitor to edit the footage after I get the phone. Thanks for the quick response!!!
@@straightxedging You can edit the footage. FCP treats the dolby vision clips like any other clip. The question is, can you see all the brightness and color that's encoded in the dolby vision clips? The answer is no. You need a monitor capable of at least a 1000 nits. The entire point of the video is to demonstrate how you can use FCP to tone map the HDR clips so they are viewable on non-HDR displays.
@@rippleguys thanks! It’s all a bit new to me and trying to figure it out as I go. That helps so much! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
For sharing to TH-cam, is there a difference in how I should go about finalizing the project from what you did here, if I'm going to AirDrop the finalized clip back to my wife's phone so that she can post it on her TH-cam channel, or would it be better/ easier for her to just post it into TH-cam from my MacBook?
Gracias!!
Informative. Does the iPhone camera “drop quality” when importing from phone to computer then out to video file?
The original move file is transferred to your Mac. When you output it, you are forced to transcode it. So it really depends on the codec you are using to transcode. In general, using the H.264 preset or ProRes is visually lossless - so you won't see any difference.
Thank you Mark for this awesome tutorial! I have some HDR iPhone 13 Pro Max video which looks totally awesome outside of FCPX. I'm running a new loaded MacBook Pro M1 Max w/ Monterey. Upon dropping my HDR into my SDR timeline it is blown out as you stated. I then went into the effects browser and dragged in HDR Tools onto the clip which did help. Following that, I went into the video inspector and under HDR tools, I clicked on HLG to Rec 709. Now my video is really dull compared to my original clip outside of FCPX. Tried color grading but, can't even come close to that awesome HDR. Any ideas why? Thanks again!
It will never look the way the HDR clip looks. SDR is 100 nit brightness and HDR is 1000 Nit. Outside of FCP, the OS is capable of displaying the full NIT range of HDR. If you want it to look that way, then edit your HDR iPhone footage in an HDR project and use HLG
@@rippleguys Thanks Mark, I sincerely appreciate your help. 😊
Thanks for sharing bro 🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪❤️✌️✌️✌️🌹🌹👍
I notice on the export options the file size is 24 GB. I just exported a similar project in HDR 26GB and it took me 6 hours to upload to youtube. Is there anyway to reduce the file size and still get HDR? FYI, I am brand new to FCPX
Make sure you are using Final Cut 10.5.1. Your library should be set as wide gamut and you should export a master file in H.264 Wide Gamut HDR Rec 2020 HLG.
@@rippleguys Just double checked, and I am on 10.5.1. If I export in H.264 with Wide Gamut HDR Rec 2020 HLG it comes up with a warning in the bottom left of the export saying "Using an 8 bit codec with HDR content may affect video quality" So I made a second export just for kicks and it does affect it quite a bit it looks terrible. Basically I was wondering if there is a way to shrink the master file, That way it doesn't take half a day to upload it to TH-cam
@@rippleguys Sorry for all the questions. One more, when showed how it looks all blown out when viewing on chrome in HDR, is that how everyone will see the videos unless they are on a new iphone? Just seems like it's probably not worth the hassle to even shoot in HDR with the huge file sizes and incompatibility across devices
@@MichaelBordenaro Honestly its not. HDR workflow is still too convoluted for most folks, and you're already experiencing that. At this stage, still better off just delivering a standard rec709 video until all this stuff gets sorted out. Glad you found our channel
@@rippleguys agreed I don’t think it’s worth it either way too complicated and really doesn’t look much better than normal 4K IMO. Glad I found your channel too thank you so much for all your help!
What does it all mean ? The clip at the beginning just looks like normal video? Maybe slightly brighter?
Because it's in SDR, since it's mixed with other SDR clips.
You're viewing this video in TH-cam in SDR, so it won't look like the experience Mark is seeing on his screen. The clip in the preview window (e.g. at 2:19) should look in HDR, although tone mapped to his MacBook Pro screen. For the full HDR look, he would need a better HDR display, e.g. Pro Display XDR.
Does anyone have a clue if the new iPad Pro (12") would become the interesting (cheap) option as XDR display when used as Sidecar for HDR editing?
I find it ASININE to color correct with scopes and to color correct HDR video without an HDR MONITOR that would give control points indicating actual LAB, CYMK, or RGB (rec 2020 not sRGB or adobe RGB) NUMBERS.
Really good video - But do you know how it is possible to upload an HDR video to Facebook? ( And what format it should be exported to) It does not look quite right on a phone but on a mac it looks fine? We record on an iphone 12 pro max.
Facebook does not support Dolby Vision HDR videos.
TH-cam does not handle Dolby Vision hdr well. The colors are off especially at resolutions less than 4k.
Thanks for your help;)
Apple should've sent you guys a couple iPhone 12's. You gentleman carry FCPX and Motion.
Great video and great explanation. Although, it’s sad when Apple’s software cannot work with it’s own video formats. What is even sadder is when I placed the same clips in DaVinci Resolve and it “just worked”. I am definitely an Apple fan. But, they failed us on this one with Final Cut Pro X.
We just finished a new video that explains what is really going on - th-cam.com/video/H4RSS8g5HLU/w-d-xo.html
I'm not sure I understand. Apple works fine with its own formats. You just need to decide if you are working in SDR or HDR and then work with that.
@@MotionTips that’s not the issue. If I record something on my phone (which has hdr turned on) and then my wife records something on her phone, and then I collect the footage and try and use both in Final Cut Pro, you run into this issue. However, if I import it and create my project in Davinci Resolve, then it works fine and looks fine with no issues. Apple needs to be able to see this and automatically apply the hdr filter or whatever it needs to display correctly. For advanced users, I can definitely understand wanting control. But, for your average TH-cam video creator, it can be a frustrating experience. Good thing Ripple Training is here to explain all of this. They make great content!
So is the image better from HDR to SDR than it would be just recording in SDR?
No, not necessarily. If you are ONLY delivering SDR, no reason to work in HDR.
Video starts at 6:25
Can I mix HDR and non hdr footage to export it as a HDR project and upload it to TH-cam so it will see it as HDR video?
Yes but first you'll need to tone map your SDR clips to HDR.
Anyone try using effects or different texts and it makes it all go grey? IS apple planning to address this? Also effects that I've installed are not working with the HDR footage like glitch effects or light rays it all looks really bad.....any solutions to this I can't find anything online.
Thank you ver much .
Great!
Another way to convert HDR to SDR on (any!) iPhone with iOS 14 is to share the video via Airdrop and disable the All Photos Data in the airdrop share settings. The SDR version will almost look the same, and it will not be blown out. Of course it will be encoded with H.264 but the file size will be nearly equal, but it will converted be immediately to Rec.709. The funny thing is iMovie for iOS already supports Dolby Vision, however iMovie for macOS currently does not .Anyway macOS BigSur Public Beta also supports HDR Tone Mapping as well. Check out my vid about Airdrop sharing: th-cam.com/video/9g0zpTvjsl4/w-d-xo.html
Great tip!!
*No mention of that 24Gig file!*
Do I follow the same procedure if my footages r shot in filmic pro?
The issues are still the same, and our workflow still applies.
Is it possible to upgrade SDR footage to HDR in order to incorporate it in a HDR project? If you have mixed footage, it’s a waist to downgrade the HDR...
If the SDR footage was shot in LOG or RAW, then it basically IS HDR. If it's already "baked" into Rec. 709, then you can't make it HDR.
You explain how to bring HDR footage into an SDR project and tone map it. But the reverse scenario would be more useful: bring an SDR clip into an HDR project, maybe to contrast how much more HDR brings to the experience... Right now it doesn't seem super easy, the imported SDR clip looks quite dark in a way that isn't comparable to how it looks in a normal rec709 project.
There would be no practical reason to do that since the SDR clip is clamped to Rec 709 so you can't deliver a program in HDR that includes REC 709 clips - well you could but they won't match.
Nice & Thanks :)
heres my situation. i went to vegas and first half of the trip i recorded with my sony a6500. second half i recorded with my iphone 12 pro max and its HDR.
Could i edit both of them together?
Yes, but you need to work in standard timeline not wide gamut then do this: th-cam.com/video/t_UF4chEUGc/w-d-xo.html
Hi Mark.....I shot some footage on my iPhone 12 pro max in 4k/HDR/24fps and even though I had my project settings set to HLG 2020, after import, the project goes back to Rec. 709. Does an airdrop from phone to macbook change the Color Space while the phone is 'converting'? I noticed in your tutorial, yours didn't.
Also, I shot in a room with a few studio LEDs, maxed out the exposure (assuming HDR could handle that) yet looking at my RGB Parade as you show at 3:32, my values flatline at 50, as if there is a ceiling there. Yours easily go to 100. Again, wondering if I'm throwing Luminance away. Finally, setting View > Show HDR as Tone Mapped has no effect on my 27" thunderbolt monitor. I've watched Justine's FCP Summit class and her HDR video there too was super blown out as expected but I can't seem to replicate either of yours.
STRANGE!: I just looked again at the project and it got itself all sorted out! RGB has full range 0-100. What I observed was that the Project had changed to rec 709 (which shows the full range) The other strange thing is the clip itself always itself as rec 709. The minute i change my Project properties to HLG 2020, I go back to half the luminance values. (clip will always show itself as rec 709, however)
Still thinking my iPhone is converting the clips color space during Airdrop? When I view the clip on the iPhone itself, I see "HDR" in the preview window.
SOLUTION: The reason the clips were coming over as Rec709 (Color Profile = HD (1-1-1)) was I didn't have "High Efficiency" set in the Camera settings, which is require in order to capture the *Dolby Vision* aspect to HDR footage. I had no idea HDR could still be Rec 709 but once I selected that, my clips came in at Rec 2020 HLG (Color Profile = BT.2020 HLG (9-18-9))
Did you set your library to wide gamut? My guess is, your library is still set to SDR.
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should i just record in 10bit sdr then instead of hdr? was going to hire a editor. just going to film me walking/talking in a property and some broll of property
HDR at the moment is still a world of hurt. Most people will be watching in 8bit SDR. Shooting in 10 bit will definitely give you better images and allow you to get better color correction, but at the end of the day, it's still being stomped into 8bit by the service you are uploading to.
@@rippleguys yea I am just struggling to color it in davinci resovle free version. total newb.
Hi! I add the Title text in FCP to the HDR project. The text is gray, but it should be white. How to solve this problem?
You have to select the text and adjust the luminance in the color curves palette - text in fcp is not HDR compliant.
@@rippleguys Thanks
Is it right, that I can’t upload a HDR Video to TH-cam, when I haven’t the compressor App?
Why would you need Compressor to upload a video that was exported from Final Cut?
@@rippleguys If I export it with final cut, TH-cam don’t recognize it as a HDR Video. Thank you for your answer.
There are a number of things that have to be in play before it can recognize it as HDR - 1) the Library you are working in must be Rec 2020 2) the clip is 10 bit Dolby Vision clip or HLG clip
You're just rubbing it in with that setting.
Ok, where were you ? What exotic beach is that?
Mark is in Belize. Justine is in Southern California - Palos Verdes to be exact.
If you want to know more about HDR and the iPhone 12, this guy does a great job: th-cam.com/video/3gia480Ejws/w-d-xo.html
I now entirely hate my I-phone 12 and this tutorial while nice is so complicated and doesn't really fix the issue
HDR is a royal pain unless only viewed on an iPhone. We've since updated our tutorial to give more clarity. You can avoid all of this by just turning off HDR recording for your phone and it will go back to recording the way you are used to. Updated video: th-cam.com/video/H4RSS8g5HLU/w-d-xo.html
why the video is not HDR?
Not worked for me
Can you be more specific?
I think it surprising that Apple still have not updated FCP to edit the video from their own phones.
We've created a new video that explains what is going on th-cam.com/video/H4RSS8g5HLU/w-d-xo.html
Great presentation Mark. While technically doable, this seems like a lot of work for a tiny audience
Sorry, but in words of Steve Jobs, HDR seems like a big bag of hurt. Why make a a video that can only play back on an iPhone 12 pro or an HDR monitor, TV? Not you on your MBP, not your iPad or any normal display. Just saying.
It's bleeding edge for sure, but not for long IMHO...kind of like 4K was about 2 years ago...
This is so annoying, I'm never recording in HDR again lol.
This was not helpful at all! I just upgraded from an iPhone XR to iPhone 12 pro max and also bought a new MacBook so this is my first time ever using Final Cut Pro and all this is just so confusing to me
If you are new to the world of HDR and Final Cut, yes, there is a learning curve - Make it easy on yourself and forget shooting in HDR on your new iPhone. - just shoot SDR (and learn how to edit in Final Cut- the other more technical stuff will come over time.
@@rippleguys yes I didn’t realize I was shooting in hdr until after I got home and tried to edit. I then tried to do a test record at home, but I think the 12 pro max always shoots in hdr. I’m so screwed
@@MsFendiTv Yes, it shoots in HDR automatically but you can turn it off in Camera Settings. This will make your life easier moving forward. You aren't screwed at all. All you need to do is create a standard project in FCP (SDR), then add your HDR iphone clips. You'll need to add an effect called HDR tools to squish all that extra brightness into a standard brightness. If you follow the steps he lays out at this timecode, you should be good to go - th-cam.com/video/rp3zXcyYyuo/w-d-xo.html
@@rippleguys thank you, I’m finding this really helpful. So I followed the steps in the video and I was able to edit and save, but when I watch the saved clip it still looks blown out. If I upload it to TH-cam like that it’s gonna tone down right? Or no?
@@MsFendiTv You still need to use the color board to reduce the exposure on the clip as shown in the video. Just adding the HDR effect is not enough. TH-cam will not correct for the overexposure .
totally confusing.
Use resolve 🤦♂️..