Only problem I can see with the handpump it could be allowing atmospheric moisture in the air to enter the cylinder leading to internal corrosion over time ?
I’ve been to a few gun shops and asked about the Hill Mk 5 and have been met with the same reaction. A wince, then a dad joke about heart attacks. It’s not surprising as they all looked like they would be out of breath walking up a flight of stairs. Moral of the story, if you are too lazy to use a pump then you have bigger problems. Loved the review.
I had the same problem at the gun shop. They said I have seen bodybuilders struggle doing it bla bla bla. I got one and it was ok 180 pumps to reach full done it in 20 mins
Before I got a pump I genuinely thought it was going to be horrifically high effort. Based on how people complain about it online, you'd think it was a 120 minute crossfit session. It's really not that difficult. I appreciate for folk with limited mobility or disabilities it would be. And I appreciate some people just prefer the convenience of plugging into a bottle. But for an able bodied adult - I would be worried about my health if I broke a sweat with a pump 😅 10-15 minutes pumping up my gun is infinitely preferable to a 30/60min trip to get a bottle refilled. The gun is normally full in the time it would take me to find my car keys and open our gate.
Bought my Gunpower pump during first lockdown last March when I couldn't get my tank charged. I now use the pump most of the time and keep the tank in reserve. I'm 67 by the way - the work out does me good - dodged the coffin thus far.
Savage...and accurate Don't be afraid of a little movement if you aren't literally dying of heart disease or something like that. It's the lack of it that'll kill you. Every out of shape air-gunner should force themselves to use a hand pump if they can't be bothered to exercise another way. I about to get my first PCP with a pump and it'll damn sure motivate my lazy ass to get in gear! I wanna shoot!
As a new air gunner on a budget with my first pcp ,I am very grateful to have been able to get into the pcp world by having the handpump,the benefits of more power and accuracy are well worth the effort it takes
Hill makes excellent products and they have great customer service, even way over here in the USA. I have the MK 4 pump and the 3000 compressor. Love them both.
Nice video. I believe that most people who complain about pumps are using them wrong. I am a regular guy. Skinny by today standards and anorexics by US-America standards. If I use my body weight for pumping then it is not hard at all. Also don't shoot your gun until it is completely empty if you have a very large tank. Don't try to make it a race. Consistent / steady pumping speed is key and just top it off when you are done shooting to avoid a longer filling session.
I'm 140 5'7 lol I can get my kratos to 3000 psi I won't lie it's hard when you get to those high pressures it's all my body weight plus all the force I can.
I'm a beginning shooter (used to shoot powder burners years ago) who decided to go w/springers for the cost factor, and also because a gun that recoils feels more natural to me. As an old git pensioner here in the states, the cost of PCP gear is prohibitive. But this video has me thinking. Might be time to start saving (and working out how to approach the Mrs. about another gun - whoo boy!). Thanks again, Andy for clear info presented by a most agreeable gentleman who doesn't have to play John Wayne (that nonsense is SO tiring). Kudos to Mrs. AAR for looking so professional. Lends even more credence to the presentation.
Chris, I too began shooting airguns later in life. My first was a Crosman break-barrel, my second was a Diana 34 break-barrel, and finally my third was a Gamo Urban PCP. Since buying the Urban, I seldom shoot the break-barrels. Only accurate airguns are interesting and the Urban is accurate, less than 1/2" at 30 yards. The Gamo Urban is really a rebranded BSA Buccaneer. In my opinion, it has the best quality of any of the entry level ($300) PCPs. I paid $230 on Amazon for mine. Then I bought a cheap Chinese hand pump to fill it. I cannot recommend the Gamo Urban more highly. In the UK it would be the Gamo Phox sub 12 ft-lb model. If you go PCP you will never go back to a break-barrel, believe me.
I only use a pump. I have a hills MK3 you can strip it yourself. It was second hand when I got it and it's been going for years for me. Saved me loads of money and was great in lockdown. Nice review.
Yup. I'd definitely get me a Hill PCP pump if will be available.. I do understand why many start off with a pump. I've been out for my first PCP (Sig Sauer Virtus) for some time now. And the first rifle of course cost plenty enough already for a poor fella - and then you need that first air filler also to get.. Buying both a rifle and a compressor requires some good extra bank account balance first - which sadly, I do not personally have.. If not ever getting a Hill pump for a price like that, then I'd also settle for some newer budget type of pump. Since progress usually occur all around - the newer budget pumps logically oughta be better than the older model budget pumps.. Or at least by my logic. Been thinking of designing and building a pump PCP filler system driven by an electric motor anyways.. Thank you once again Andy and crew! All the best from Finland!
I bought this when it first came out I use it on the Benjamin Kratos so far so good! It's my only source of air. No scuba refill shops and I enjoy a good workout.
My buddy just bought a Hill MK 5 and it's just wonderful, 60 pumps from half way to full on my Marauder. Very well made the fitting just clicks on to the fill nozzle. Nice video I love comparisons like this 👍
Hi I call my pump gym membership and a man of my age i will only use it if all else fails , the chap you used is only half my age so he did make it loo easy , i do have to have a good sit down after using it , so only good as a back up no matter which one i will buy.
Ive got a Weihrauch HW100K and an older Hills pump. I wanted to be self sufficient and get a little occasional work out. My 60 year old frame now suffers a rare heart condition but Ill stick with the set up. Simple is good.
This is ridiculously scientific test. Finally someone showed us how hard it is to pump PCP. I'm planning on PCP but will never buy compressor for it. This is pricelessly valuable information
Without a doubt a great pump I have one and yes after using several other pumps the hills I found a lot lot easier and not as taxing on the very old body of mine,brilliant channel by the way keep up the fantastic work.
I like the Hill hand pump. I can fill my guns faster than with any of the cheep compressors I've been able to use. If I go to a compressor I will save a bit longer and get a nicer compressor. Thanks for the video.
Andy I have a Hills Mk 5 pump and find it easy to use. Just don't let your gun completely empty. Plus it has the added advantage of keeping you in trim. I also have a tank however very difficult to fill currently with COVID restrictions. So to get rid of your covid belly use a pump. ;)
I am definitely going to save a bit each month and get a compressor in a year or so but I ain't complaining the handpump gets the job done , thanks for all the great videos
I've been considering getting a PCP system for some time, but was concerned about just how difficult using a manual pump was, so this review was very useful as the effort required didn't seem that great. I look forward to the weekly reviews, keep up the good work.
Lasts a life time🤣🤣🤣🤒 I'll stick to my divers tank, but I do find myself looking for that back up pump. As I would use it very, very rarely I would use the budget version. I would seriously consider the Hill pump only if I was to use it regularly. Great review of another "made in England"👌🥰
@@5euk 30 quid for a pump that will quickly fill your gun with moisture and screw it up. Money well spent, plus another £500 to replace a half decent rifle.
If I was to be tempted away from my trusty springers and god only knows how many times I have considered it with some of the reviews you have done there are some outstanding weapons out there . Would it be possible to borrow Carl to assist charging the weapon of choice as this knock knee'd Knackered out old codger couldn't take the strain . Great reviews Andy keep them coming it's the only thing I look forward to on a Friday .
Brilliant job Andy! Loved the tongue in cheek approach, but the points were valid and came across perfectly. (This could have been a real 'Yawner' but you guys did a terrific job!) I'll stick with my dive tank though. My Huntsman rifles only need filling to 190 bar, so my 12 litre, 300 bar tank only needs a refill every 4-6 months, and at £5 a fill at my club, I'll stick with that. TTFN.
Lol i to still have my pump collecting dust probably never to be used again once you have a bottle you never go back... great review again Andy and well done Carl..
Funny review Andy good to see Mrs aar too hope Andy is OK I'm looking to get a hand pump only got one pcp and not used loads so tank and compressor way out of budget
Nice bit of banter on a useful item (pump) and not to expensive in all honesty, im old and on the way out so the bottle suits better (especially with whisky in it) 😉 Great video as always Andy, nice and witty bud, fully enjoyable Take care Stay safe and keep it lit.👍 my friend.
From 100bar to 180 bar takes 60 pumps with my Hills Spartan, with moisture trap cost £118 also have 3 ltr bottle good method 30 pumps and top up with bottle that gives 30 plus fills for £5
I have 2 handpumps, Air venturi made in China, ( the older one) & the Hill handpump, the Air Venturi pumps more volume than the Hill & can easily fill all four of my pcps in a day! I’m only 116 lbs. but can pump all 4 one at a time! my Hill handpump got busted first although it’s newer than my old Air Venturi G 7!
I've recently purchased my first PCP and a hand pump to go along with it. I pumped up my gun 1 time and realized that potentially manually pumping up my gun a few times a week is a workout that I'm not much interested in. So I placed an order for the new Umarex compressor yesterday and I anticipate its delivery early on next week. The hand pump wasn't outrageously too bad, but if there's compressor's out there to make the airgun experience easier, that's what I'm most interested in. Thanks Andy...another great video. This one had me laughing pretty hard at certain parts and that's always an added bonus!
Had my mk5 now for a month, used every day. The pump gets hot and I don't mind having a break now and then. I do think that I need to keep an eye on the greasing when used so much.
Good afternoon Andy, on this recommendation I have purchased the above item, and I'd like to say, Karl put far too much effort into it, I've just assembled the pump and tested it on my Rotex RM8 from 150 bar, and it was very easy, and I'm 60, great show, can't wait for Friday morning 😁
If you’re out for hunting all you need is one shot but if you’re out for pest control which needs multiple shots quick yeah pcp is better. Yet the additional work and trying to find out what pump to buy is a hassle maybe in the UK where everything is easy to buy but in most countries air guns are hard to find or at least hard to get what you want not much variety or options
Definitely,... I'm considering buying my first PCP, and being a springer shooter, like the idea of the independence a pump brings. I'm also thinking whether I'd stick with a pump, so spending ~£70 on something I'd perhaps not want to use too much, vs a bit more on something easier to use, is an interesting option. Might be better to just bite the bullet and go for the better pump, as that might save me going on to buy a compressor,....
Both of those seem to work better than my Benjamin pump, just not sure how the size compares to the reservoir on my Bulldog. I also don't pump as enthusiastically as he did. 10 shots on my Bulldog, and several minutes for me to pump and rest. Yes I did buy the new Benjamin compressor recently though. I should get a small tank.
What is the max fill pressure achievable from the hand pump, I know in the video it shows from 150-200bar but for example the phox max fill pressure is 232 (others are 250 or even 300).
I bought my first pcp recently (Hatsan Flashpup qe) and that pump only because it cost me £5 to get to the shop to fill the tank and £5 to fill the tank.
Great review again Andy. The tank option is great until times like these. Mine has run out of test at the moment and I have no way of getting it filled or tested until after lockdown restrictions are lifted rendering my pcp's as paperweights at the moment. Since all this virus stuff begun, I have considered a pump as a back up but I am now looking at it as a main source of air so I don't have to rely on the dive shop being open to keep shooting. Mt concern has alway been moisture from a hand pump, knowing that divers air is dry and safe (i dive too...). Having seen the Hill pump moisture trap, I think I will be investigating their product further and if as good as I need, I might be treating my self to a cardio workout. Until then its the trusty HW90 which is more of a multi gym type weight compared to my usual TDR!! Cheers and keep safe.
I bought one of these mid December thinking there'd probably be another lockdown, as a backup to my tank. It's a lot easier to use than I expected, ended up using it almost every time I need a fill
@@5euk its the moisture trap that drew me to the Hill pump. I've seen what damage wet air can do to a cylinder inside. Not sure if I could get a separate water trap to fit inline with a cheaper pump? That would be ideal, but I don't fancy ruining my guns for the sake of an extra £100 or so, they cost considerably more and I couldn't afford to get new now.
@@5euk my understanding was that the trap was to catch moisture that is present in the air around us as if its compressed when you fill the gun, the water will get compressed too which will cause internal rust over time. I may be wrong and understood things differently to how it actually is. I've looked at the cheaper pumps and in all fairness, they look very good value, if not a little basic but if they all do the same job, its worth a look I suppose. I'm not so concerned about the effort needed to use it, I wouldn't expect it to be like pumping up a tyre on a bike! I'll see 8f i can find out a little more about the moisture trap and the actual need for it or see if its just a sales gimmick. Thanks for the response and info on the cheaper pumps, you may have saved me some money in the long run.
@@andrewcrofts531 I got the version without the moisture trap, but I only use it inside, if I need to fill outside I'll probably have the tank nearby, if I'm shooting that many shots.
Early PCP guns like the one that Lewis and Clark took on their expedition across the USA all needed pumping with hand pumps and I'm guessing that due to their big calibres things like .50 you didn't get many shots out of them.
FYI I paid 37 for my (Cheap)pump inc pandp air filter/moisture filter 40,7 for the molecular sieve silica gel a grand total of 84 but not the 20% less effort and i cam move my filter into a compressor if i decide to upgrade
I use a FX 4 stage pump as my only source of air. I find it quite hard work from 150 -210 bar on my DreamTac standard. Plus this Hill mk5 is cheaper than the FX pump. My advice, get the Hill mk5 over the FX 4 stage pump
hi , can i ask you something about the handpump pleas ? i wanna buy one but i dont know wich normaly i see your video here i think the gx is a good pump but now its a brend new handpump from hill mk5 and i dont know wich from this two to buy can you recommend one of these two gx. or hill mk5 ?
My MK5 lasted all of a 6 days before it locked up, and that's with taking care not to overheat it. No problem, sent it back to the shop for a repair... it lasted about half a day this time before breaking down. MKII Spartan had the exact same issue. Something is causing the (ridiculously hard to get and expensive) small O-rings on the pump head to exhibit an excessive amount of friction which wears them down very quickly. Have you used these pumps for any length of time before posting this review?
Top vid Sir, I’m looking into pumps as I live in the middle of nowhere and couldn’t get a bottle filled anywhere, and compressor prices aren’t worth my marriage. I just wondered why normal compressors aren’t any use for pcp rifles.
Hi, a standard tyre type compressor will not reach anywhere near the pressures a pcp gun requires and is completely useless to fill a gun I’m afraid. Stay safe Andy
I purchased my first PCP in 2008, a Benjamin Discovery kit with it's included pump. The pump started to require more pump strokes to recharge the rifle after about 9 years of babying. After 11 years the Discovery began leaking, so I resealed both the pump and rifle with new o-rings and seals. The workmanship and finishing of the pump's metal parts was disappointing. That seems to be what you can expect for Chinesium products. In early 2019 I moved up to an FX rifle, and a Hill Mk4 handpump with the Dry-pak. This pump is has been very consistent, filling the FX to 230 bar, with what I consider moderate effort. I pump slowly, full stroke in both directions, pausing a second or two to let the air transfer between the stages. I have not had the Hill apart yet, but it looks and feels to be of superior quality compared to the Benjamin pump. I would expect this based on reputation and price of the Hill. I am curious about how well the Dry-pak dries the air. Before retirement, one of my duties was to maintain regenerative air dryers providing padding air to keep liquid SO2 liquid. The dryers were tested weekly by our technical department. When functioning properly, the dew point was lowered to -40°C. The desiccant we used looked very similar to the Dry-pak contents. I do all of my shooting out in the bush, far away from any A/C electric power. The only compressor I would consider would have to be directly gasoline powered. Preferably Honda powered. The idea of running my truck's engine and alternator to power a DC motored pump doesn't appeal to me.
i have a hills pump and its fine, yes a tank is quicker easier unless you are not capable because of health reasons a pump is fine just dont go at it full blast 15 fine pumps have a breather then go again and its done i have daystate revere fill it to about 190 ish fire of pellets and pump again,
If I only have 1 pcp gun .. so I'm looking to get a pump . However the price of the hills pump compared to a cheap one with a foam built in moisture pac for £60 would that be ok ? Would it damage the gun over time ? If the foam pac was changed regularly...
No doubt the hill pumps are the best available manual pumps, however getting to pressures above 250 bars is very difficult without using electric compressor
Been using this pump regulary for around 2 years. The beeds in the dry pac looks exactly like they did brand new, no change in color nothing, this dry pac simply don’t do anything..well maybe if you pump your guns outside in the rain they might.
Compare to what you said about budget pcp first gamo or even rm8 for around 400-500 so would you buy for 1k The same with pump for 40 quid which foes the job and hill for 180 whitch is more than 4 times more expensive. Im happy with my rm8 and a pump for 40£ Hsppy days
My modified scuba compressor is certainly better but I use my Hill pump a lot to top off the gun. I like to use it for my pistols which have smaller tanks. But as has been mentioned you need to give the air more time at top and bottom of the stroke. Pump slowly. Be Well.
Not directly...your workshop compressor probably only goes up to 150 psi, and you need a compressor that goes to over 3000psi. You could get something like the Freedom F10 shoebox compressor that works in conjunction with your shop compressor. I'd rather just get a dedicated compressor for PCP.
I could use a little exercise, so I went with the less expensive option, lol! In all seriousness, I have a Benjamin Bulldog .357, and I can't get it to hold pressure (from 0psi) using my compressor. Someone told me that it may be a valve which needs seating, and you can't do it with a 4500psi compressor. I'm going to try the hand pump, to see if I can get that valve to seal, then I'll swap to the compressor for 'the big fill up'. Have you any experience with this valve thing? It leaks from the barrel, or the breech, depending on where the bolt is set. I hope it's a simple fix, because it's a brand new gun and my first PCP rifle ever. I want it to be a great experience. I don't want a SCBA tank, because I'm not close to anywhere that can fill it for me, plus, they're not cost effective. I figure, with the hand pump, I'll be able to refill on the go - and on the cheap. When I'm home, I'll just use my electric compressor. Thanks for all you do for this community. I've been watching a lot of your content, and I appreciate all the work you're doing. 🐰🇺🇲💜🎸🎶🤝✌
Surprised there's not a wide-bodied foot pump. Foot pumps usually have a lever system... more pumps, sure ... but they're easier pumps, with no springing out of place or trying to punch you in the jaw. I remember my grandfather having a foot pump for topping up the pressure in his car tyres WHILE they were on the car. So... they work! Would I want to fill from zero with one? Hell no... but for topping up after each session a foot pump would be cracking : )
Quick Question: Would having the standard (non hill pump) cable connector, with the filter in the connecting bit, be better attached to the hill pump for double moisture protection? or would this be placing too much pressure on the line and negate any potential moisture stopping benefits. (These filters and cables can be bought off amazon)
Enjoyed this video as I do all your others, the sense of humour which is added in to most of them helps make your channel, on another note going back to the more budget end of the market I would love to see you do a comparison of springers versus gas ram, pro and cons of each and best budget starter packs for springer and gas ram, cheers Andy and keep up the good work!👍🏻
Great review. The sub £70 can be had for about £35 upwards on ebay, "1 pumps difference to 200 bar", I'd take my chances with the cheapy as a back up. Also I've read people's reports on forums that say they've had no issues with moisture getting into the guns with them either (after using for extended periods then taking the gun apart to check). No disrespect to the hill pump as I'm sure it's brilliant but credit also where it's due for the cheap alternative for coming so close in real world performance!
I got a cheapie in 2020 Stephen, when I couldn't fill my bottle at the time. It broke soon, then I got an "fx 4 stage turbo" I've never used my bottle since. I'm skinny, I just strictly top up and don't let the pressure go too low. Edit: I've had to strip down my s400, no moisture at all, even when using the cheapie and the gun is old.
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Only problem I can see with the handpump it could be allowing atmospheric moisture in the air to enter the cylinder leading to internal corrosion over time ?
Very much enjoy hearing you talk and
watching your videos.
Thank you.
I’ve been to a few gun shops and asked about the Hill Mk 5 and have been met with the same reaction. A wince, then a dad joke about heart attacks. It’s not surprising as they all looked like they would be out of breath walking up a flight of stairs. Moral of the story, if you are too lazy to use a pump then you have bigger problems. Loved the review.
Truth 😂
I had the same problem at the gun shop. They said I have seen bodybuilders struggle doing it bla bla bla. I got one and it was ok 180 pumps to reach full done it in 20 mins
Before I got a pump I genuinely thought it was going to be horrifically high effort. Based on how people complain about it online, you'd think it was a 120 minute crossfit session.
It's really not that difficult. I appreciate for folk with limited mobility or disabilities it would be.
And I appreciate some people just prefer the convenience of plugging into a bottle.
But for an able bodied adult - I would be worried about my health if I broke a sweat with a pump 😅
10-15 minutes pumping up my gun is infinitely preferable to a 30/60min trip to get a bottle refilled.
The gun is normally full in the time it would take me to find my car keys and open our gate.
Bought my Gunpower pump during first lockdown last March when I couldn't get my tank charged. I now use the pump most of the time and keep the tank in reserve. I'm 67 by the way - the work out does me good - dodged the coffin thus far.
Hope u are doing good
"... And is quite likely to last you a lifetime. Which, if you're out of shape, probably isn't that long a period of time anyway".
Gold
I heard a distinct 'ba-dump-tsss' when he said that.
Savage...and accurate
Don't be afraid of a little movement if you aren't literally dying of heart disease or something like that. It's the lack of it that'll kill you. Every out of shape air-gunner should force themselves to use a hand pump if they can't be bothered to exercise another way. I about to get my first PCP with a pump and it'll damn sure motivate my lazy ass to get in gear! I wanna shoot!
As a new air gunner on a budget with my first pcp ,I am very grateful to have been able to get into the pcp world by having the handpump,the benefits of more power and accuracy are well worth the effort it takes
Got a cheap Chinese pump I paid 32 quid for off ebay. Had it for over 7 years now and it's still going strong! 👍
Hill makes excellent products and they have great customer service, even way over here in the USA. I have the MK 4 pump and the 3000 compressor. Love them both.
Nice video. I believe that most people who complain about pumps are using them wrong. I am a regular guy. Skinny by today standards and anorexics by US-America standards. If I use my body weight for pumping then it is not hard at all. Also don't shoot your gun until it is completely empty if you have a very large tank.
Don't try to make it a race. Consistent / steady pumping speed is key and just top it off when you are done shooting to avoid a longer filling session.
I'm 140 5'7 lol I can get my kratos to 3000 psi I won't lie it's hard when you get to those high pressures it's all my body weight plus all the force I can.
How many pumps/how long does it take to fill? I'm looking at a 4500psi PCP.
I'm a beginning shooter (used to shoot powder burners years ago) who decided to go w/springers for the cost factor, and also because a gun that recoils feels more natural to me. As an old git pensioner here in the states, the cost of PCP gear is prohibitive. But this video has me thinking. Might be time to start saving (and working out how to approach the Mrs. about another gun - whoo boy!). Thanks again, Andy for clear info presented by a most agreeable gentleman who doesn't have to play John Wayne (that nonsense is SO tiring). Kudos to Mrs. AAR for looking so professional. Lends even more credence to the presentation.
Chris, I too began shooting airguns later in life. My first was a Crosman break-barrel, my second was a Diana 34 break-barrel, and finally my third was a Gamo Urban PCP. Since buying the Urban, I seldom shoot the break-barrels. Only accurate airguns are interesting and the Urban is accurate, less than 1/2" at 30 yards. The Gamo Urban is really a rebranded BSA Buccaneer. In my opinion, it has the best quality of any of the entry level ($300) PCPs. I paid $230 on Amazon for mine. Then I bought a cheap Chinese hand pump to fill it. I cannot recommend the Gamo Urban more highly. In the UK it would be the Gamo Phox sub 12 ft-lb model. If you go PCP you will never go back to a break-barrel, believe me.
I've used scuba tanks for 12 years ,luckily just before covid struck I brought a pump and boy I'm glad I did.
I only use a pump. I have a hills MK3 you can strip it yourself. It was second hand when I got it and it's been going for years for me. Saved me loads of money and was great in lockdown. Nice review.
I have used my trusty hill pump for five years. Never let me down yet up to 250 BAR. Highly recommended.
Yup. I'd definitely get me a Hill PCP pump if will be available..
I do understand why many start off with a pump. I've been out for my first PCP (Sig Sauer Virtus) for some time now. And the first rifle of course cost plenty enough already for a poor fella - and then you need that first air filler also to get.. Buying both a rifle and a compressor requires some good extra bank account balance first - which sadly, I do not personally have..
If not ever getting a Hill pump for a price like that, then I'd also settle for some newer budget type of pump. Since progress usually occur all around - the newer budget pumps logically oughta be better than the older model budget pumps.. Or at least by my logic. Been thinking of designing and building a pump PCP filler system driven by an electric motor anyways..
Thank you once again Andy and crew! All the best from Finland!
I bought this when it first came out I use it on the Benjamin Kratos so far so good! It's my only source of air. No scuba refill shops and I enjoy a good workout.
My buddy just bought a Hill MK 5 and it's just wonderful, 60 pumps from half way to full on my Marauder. Very well made the fitting just clicks on to the fill nozzle. Nice video I love comparisons like this 👍
Hi
I call my pump gym membership and a man of my age i will only use it if all else fails , the chap you used is only half my age so he did make it loo easy , i do have to have a good sit down after using it , so only good as a back up no matter which one i will buy.
Redwolf and Rm8/Hills mk4/range time=happy camper!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😁
I got the Hills MK4 just a few months ago, upgraded from a Webley one purchased second hand 10 years ago. Free air 😃 👍🏻
Ive got a Weihrauch HW100K and an older Hills pump. I wanted to be self sufficient and get a little occasional work out. My 60 year old frame now suffers a rare heart condition but Ill stick with the set up. Simple is good.
This is ridiculously scientific test. Finally someone showed us how hard it is to pump PCP. I'm planning on PCP but will never buy compressor for it. This is pricelessly valuable information
Without a doubt a great pump I have one and yes after using several other pumps the hills I found a lot lot easier and not as taxing on the very old body of mine,brilliant channel by the way keep up the fantastic work.
Smashing review Andy, as usual. You manage to be completely balanced and fair in all of your vids, very rare commodities.
dandy video on the pump I did jump into that china compressor because the cost was close to the pump. thank you once again on the review
I used a pump for a few months but changed to bottles, and a Springer as a backup
Using this pump im filling a 500cc bottle from 150 to 200 bar in less than 2 minutes and thats going steady
I like the Hill hand pump. I can fill my guns faster than with any of the cheep compressors I've been able to use. If I go to a compressor I will save a bit longer and get a nicer compressor. Thanks for the video.
I bought a MK5 and am glad I did. It's going to be a nice back up if I lose power.
Andy I have a Hills Mk 5 pump and find it easy to use. Just don't let your gun completely empty. Plus it has the added advantage of keeping you in trim. I also have a tank however very difficult to fill currently with COVID restrictions. So to get rid of your covid belly use a pump. ;)
Excellent Andy Thank you 😊
I own one Hill Pump, and iam very pleased how it performs. I use it for my HW100 bullpup carbine. 😃
About how many pumps to fill
I am definitely going to save a bit each month and get a compressor in a year or so but I ain't complaining the handpump gets the job done , thanks for all the great videos
Thank God.... I thought I would have to go to work before seeing this. Thanks Andy for keeping us sane
I've been considering getting a PCP system for some time, but was concerned about just how difficult using a manual pump was, so this review was very useful as the effort required didn't seem that great. I look forward to the weekly reviews, keep up the good work.
Options are a nice thing to have.
ATA Airborne from 150 Bar to 200Bar about 50 strokes. Plus mine.
Lasts a life time🤣🤣🤣🤒
I'll stick to my divers tank, but I do find myself looking for that back up pump.
As I would use it very, very rarely I would use the budget version.
I would seriously consider the Hill pump only if I was to use it regularly.
Great review of another "made in England"👌🥰
@@5euk 30 quid for a pump that will quickly fill your gun with moisture and screw it up. Money well spent, plus another £500 to replace a half decent rifle.
Made in sheffield. Love it
YES! Best Pedigree.
Love it !!!! BUT ... the 2nd one will always be easier because the 1st one was a warm up.
If I was to be tempted away from my trusty springers and god only knows how many times I have considered it with some of the reviews you have done there are some outstanding weapons out there . Would it be possible to borrow Carl to assist charging the weapon of choice as this knock knee'd Knackered out old codger couldn't take the strain . Great reviews Andy keep them coming it's the only thing I look forward to on a Friday .
Brilliant job Andy!
Loved the tongue in cheek approach, but the points were valid and came across perfectly. (This could have been a real 'Yawner' but you guys did a terrific job!)
I'll stick with my dive tank though. My Huntsman rifles only need filling to 190 bar, so my 12 litre, 300 bar tank only needs a refill every 4-6 months, and at £5 a fill at my club, I'll stick with that.
TTFN.
Lol i to still have my pump collecting dust probably never to be used again once you have a bottle you never go back... great review again Andy and well done Carl..
U made me buy a hill mk5 today 👍
Funny review Andy good to see Mrs aar too hope Andy is OK I'm looking to get a hand pump only got one pcp and not used loads so tank and compressor way out of budget
Nice bit of banter on a useful item (pump) and not to expensive in all honesty, im old and on the way out so the bottle suits better (especially with whisky in it) 😉
Great video as always Andy, nice and witty bud, fully enjoyable
Take care Stay safe and keep it lit.👍 my friend.
Thanks again for explaining and uploading. Much appreciated. Your attention to detail is impeccable.
From 100bar to 180 bar takes 60 pumps with my Hills Spartan, with moisture trap cost £118 also have 3 ltr bottle good method 30 pumps and top up with bottle that gives 30 plus fills for £5
I have 2 handpumps, Air venturi made in China, ( the older one) & the Hill handpump, the Air Venturi pumps more volume than the Hill & can easily fill all four of my pcps in a day! I’m only 116 lbs. but can pump all 4 one at a time! my Hill handpump got busted first although it’s newer than my old Air Venturi G 7!
I've recently purchased my first PCP and a hand pump to go along with it.
I pumped up my gun 1 time and realized that potentially manually pumping up my gun a few times a week is a workout that I'm not much interested in.
So I placed an order for the new Umarex compressor yesterday and I anticipate its delivery early on next week.
The hand pump wasn't outrageously too bad, but if there's compressor's out there to make the airgun experience easier, that's what I'm most interested in.
Thanks Andy...another great video.
This one had me laughing pretty hard at certain parts and that's always an added bonus!
Hi pal.can I use a umarex compressor on a hw100kt and how much are they?
Had my mk5 now for a month, used every day. The pump gets hot and I don't mind having a break now and then. I do think that I need to keep an eye on the greasing when used so much.
Do you still have it?
I use the hills pump mk4 and love it
Brilliant, thanks for the great content.
Doing a bit of work can help keep you fit and might make you make each shot count a bit more!
Just ordered a MK5 based on this review, thanks
Good afternoon Andy, on this recommendation I have purchased the above item, and I'd like to say, Karl put far too much effort into it, I've just assembled the pump and tested it on my Rotex RM8 from 150 bar, and it was very easy, and I'm 60, great show, can't wait for Friday morning 😁
If you’re out for hunting all you need is one shot but if you’re out for pest control which needs multiple shots quick yeah pcp is better. Yet the additional work and trying to find out what pump to buy is a hassle maybe in the UK where everything is easy to buy but in most countries air guns are hard to find or at least hard to get what you want not much variety or options
Good to know that there are options, more or less wallet friendly.
Definitely,... I'm considering buying my first PCP, and being a springer shooter, like the idea of the independence a pump brings. I'm also thinking whether I'd stick with a pump, so spending ~£70 on something I'd perhaps not want to use too much, vs a bit more on something easier to use, is an interesting option. Might be better to just bite the bullet and go for the better pump, as that might save me going on to buy a compressor,....
@@engineeredlifeform there are options of refilling co2 as well. Does cost a bit, but its possible.
@@bertjesklotepino And what has that got to do with Springers or PCPs?
@@engineeredlifeform great point. Nothing actually.
Just thought i mention it.
Both of those seem to work better than my Benjamin pump, just not sure how the size compares to the reservoir on my Bulldog. I also don't pump as enthusiastically as he did. 10 shots on my Bulldog, and several minutes for me to pump and rest. Yes I did buy the new Benjamin compressor recently though. I should get a small tank.
What is the max fill pressure achievable from the hand pump, I know in the video it shows from 150-200bar but for example the phox max fill pressure is 232 (others are 250 or even 300).
We ought to support Britsh companies and buy one! Btw,this is the best air gun channel!
I bought my first pcp recently (Hatsan Flashpup qe) and that pump only because it cost me £5 to get to the shop to fill the tank and £5 to fill the tank.
Ha ha that’s the most energetic I’ve seen Karl 😂 hope you gave him the rich tea biscuits Jules 😉
Well… I shall either be buying the Hills compressor or the hand pump!
Great review again Andy. The tank option is great until times like these. Mine has run out of test at the moment and I have no way of getting it filled or tested until after lockdown restrictions are lifted rendering my pcp's as paperweights at the moment. Since all this virus stuff begun, I have considered a pump as a back up but I am now looking at it as a main source of air so I don't have to rely on the dive shop being open to keep shooting. Mt concern has alway been moisture from a hand pump, knowing that divers air is dry and safe (i dive too...). Having seen the Hill pump moisture trap, I think I will be investigating their product further and if as good as I need, I might be treating my self to a cardio workout. Until then its the trusty HW90 which is more of a multi gym type weight compared to my usual TDR!!
Cheers and keep safe.
I bought one of these mid December thinking there'd probably be another lockdown, as a backup to my tank. It's a lot easier to use than I expected, ended up using it almost every time I need a fill
@@d4ngru5h83 great comment and useful info for me as it helps convince me its the right thing to convince the wife its a good investment!!😜 Thanks.
@@5euk its the moisture trap that drew me to the Hill pump. I've seen what damage wet air can do to a cylinder inside. Not sure if I could get a separate water trap to fit inline with a cheaper pump? That would be ideal, but I don't fancy ruining my guns for the sake of an extra £100 or so, they cost considerably more and I couldn't afford to get new now.
@@5euk my understanding was that the trap was to catch moisture that is present in the air around us as if its compressed when you fill the gun, the water will get compressed too which will cause internal rust over time. I may be wrong and understood things differently to how it actually is. I've looked at the cheaper pumps and in all fairness, they look very good value, if not a little basic but if they all do the same job, its worth a look I suppose. I'm not so concerned about the effort needed to use it, I wouldn't expect it to be like pumping up a tyre on a bike! I'll see 8f i can find out a little more about the moisture trap and the actual need for it or see if its just a sales gimmick. Thanks for the response and info on the cheaper pumps, you may have saved me some money in the long run.
@@andrewcrofts531 I got the version without the moisture trap, but I only use it inside, if I need to fill outside I'll probably have the tank nearby, if I'm shooting that many shots.
Early PCP guns like the one that Lewis and Clark took on their expedition across the USA all needed pumping with hand pumps and I'm guessing that due to their big calibres things like .50 you didn't get many shots out of them.
Question: Do all PCP airguns have a standard connection...i.e. no additional adaptors needed when filling up different makes/models
i bought a HILL pump in 2009 and is still going 👍 its my only source of filling my gun ime to cheap to buy a divers tank 😂😂😂😆👍
I've just bought my 3 stage pump from China for £26 delivered. An additional £10 for the air filter from the same place.
FYI I paid 37 for my (Cheap)pump inc pandp air filter/moisture filter 40,7 for the molecular sieve silica gel a grand total of 84 but not the 20% less effort and i cam move my filter into a compressor if i decide to upgrade
I use a FX 4 stage pump as my only source of air. I find it quite hard work from 150 -210 bar on my DreamTac standard. Plus this Hill mk5 is cheaper than the FX pump. My advice, get the Hill mk5 over the FX 4 stage pump
hi , can i ask you something about the handpump pleas ? i wanna buy one but i dont know wich normaly i see your video here i think the gx is a good pump but now its a brend new
handpump from hill mk5 and i dont know wich from this two to buy can you recommend one of these two gx. or hill mk5 ?
@@SwiSs-SHooter mk5 hill pump, it has a very good dri-pak on it👍
This reminds me of pumping up my stand up paddle board 😂 3/4 of the workout of the paddle. 👍👍👍
Well done ... Buy British !! Great review !!
My MK5 lasted all of a 6 days before it locked up, and that's with taking care not to overheat it. No problem, sent it back to the shop for a repair... it lasted about half a day this time before breaking down. MKII Spartan had the exact same issue. Something is causing the (ridiculously hard to get and expensive) small O-rings on the pump head to exhibit an excessive amount of friction which wears them down very quickly.
Have you used these pumps for any length of time before posting this review?
Top vid Sir, I’m looking into pumps as I live in the middle of nowhere and couldn’t get a bottle filled anywhere, and compressor prices aren’t worth my marriage. I just wondered why normal compressors aren’t any use for pcp rifles.
Hi, a standard tyre type compressor will not reach anywhere near the pressures a pcp gun requires and is completely useless to fill a gun I’m afraid. Stay safe Andy
@@AAROnair Thanks for the swift reply Sir. Keep up the great work you do helping us all with everything shooty. 👍🏼
New to the sport but maybe when you get to 150 just top up to 200 using h/pump, or wouldn't that be feasible.
I purchased my first PCP in 2008, a Benjamin Discovery kit with it's included pump. The pump started to require more pump strokes to recharge the rifle after about 9 years of babying. After 11 years the Discovery began leaking, so I resealed both the pump and rifle with new o-rings and seals. The workmanship and finishing of the pump's metal parts was disappointing. That seems to be what you can expect for Chinesium products. In early 2019 I moved up to an FX rifle, and a Hill Mk4 handpump with the Dry-pak. This pump is has been very consistent, filling the FX to 230 bar, with what I consider moderate effort. I pump slowly, full stroke in both directions, pausing a second or two to let the air transfer between the stages. I have not had the Hill apart yet, but it looks and feels to be of superior quality compared to the Benjamin pump. I would expect this based on reputation and price of the Hill.
I am curious about how well the Dry-pak dries the air. Before retirement, one of my duties was to maintain regenerative air dryers providing padding air to keep liquid SO2 liquid. The dryers were tested weekly by our technical department. When functioning properly, the dew point was lowered to -40°C. The desiccant we used looked very similar to the Dry-pak contents.
I do all of my shooting out in the bush, far away from any A/C electric power. The only compressor I would consider would have to be directly gasoline powered. Preferably Honda powered. The idea of running my truck's engine and alternator to power a DC motored pump doesn't appeal to me.
i have a hills pump and its fine, yes a tank is quicker easier unless you are not capable because of health reasons a pump is fine just dont go at it full blast 15 fine pumps have a breather then go again and its done i have daystate revere fill it to about 190 ish fire of pellets and pump again,
Brilliant, frightening, but enjoyed it.
If I only have 1 pcp gun .. so I'm looking to get a pump . However the price of the hills pump compared to a cheap one with a foam built in moisture pac for £60 would that be ok ? Would it damage the gun over time ? If the foam pac was changed regularly...
No doubt the hill pumps are the best available manual pumps, however getting to pressures above 250 bars is very difficult without using electric compressor
Thanks Andy, great work from you and the team, keep it up guys.
:) my walther rotex rm8 uc and that very cheap pump is doing me wonders
Been using this pump regulary for around 2 years. The beeds in the dry pac looks exactly like they did brand new, no change in color nothing, this dry pac simply don’t do anything..well maybe if you pump your guns outside in the rain they might.
Compare to what you said about budget pcp first gamo or even rm8 for around 400-500 so would you buy for 1k
The same with pump for 40 quid which foes the job and hill for 180 whitch is more than 4 times more expensive.
Im happy with my rm8 and a pump for 40£
Hsppy days
Right, Enough is ENOUGH !
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Bought the Mk5 from hills broke the plastic on the filter phoned hills to buy a new one they sent it free of charge
My modified scuba compressor is certainly better but I use my Hill pump a lot to top off the gun. I like to use it for my pistols which have smaller tanks. But as has been mentioned you need to give the air more time at top and bottom of the stroke. Pump slowly. Be Well.
Can one use a standard workshop compressor if they have one lying around the garage? I assume filters would be needed.
Not directly...your workshop compressor probably only goes up to 150 psi, and you need a compressor that goes to over 3000psi. You could get something like the Freedom F10 shoebox compressor that works in conjunction with your shop compressor. I'd rather just get a dedicated compressor for PCP.
@@jgallone thanks
I could use a little exercise, so I went with the less expensive option, lol! In all seriousness, I have a Benjamin Bulldog .357, and I can't get it to hold pressure (from 0psi) using my compressor. Someone told me that it may be a valve which needs seating, and you can't do it with a 4500psi compressor.
I'm going to try the hand pump, to see if I can get that valve to seal, then I'll swap to the compressor for 'the big fill up'.
Have you any experience with this valve thing? It leaks from the barrel, or the breech, depending on where the bolt is set. I hope it's a simple fix, because it's a brand new gun and my first PCP rifle ever. I want it to be a great experience. I don't want a SCBA tank, because I'm not close to anywhere that can fill it for me, plus, they're not cost effective. I figure, with the hand pump, I'll be able to refill on the go - and on the cheap. When I'm home, I'll just use my electric compressor.
Thanks for all you do for this community. I've been watching a lot of your content, and I appreciate all the work you're doing. 🐰🇺🇲💜🎸🎶🤝✌
Looks like a good workout
Surprised there's not a wide-bodied foot pump. Foot pumps usually have a lever system... more pumps, sure ... but they're easier pumps, with no springing out of place or trying to punch you in the jaw. I remember my grandfather having a foot pump for topping up the pressure in his car tyres WHILE they were on the car. So... they work!
Would I want to fill from zero with one? Hell no... but for topping up after each session a foot pump would be cracking : )
Quick Question: Would having the standard (non hill pump) cable connector, with the filter in the connecting bit, be better attached to the hill pump for double moisture protection?
or would this be placing too much pressure on the line and negate any potential moisture stopping benefits. (These filters and cables can be bought off amazon)
Why it doesnt come with a quickconnector?
Great video, thank you.
Hello sir. I learn from your informative video.
I have one question that can we fill impact m2 with hill mk2 handpump.
As always Andy , great unbiased review with some great humour😀 stay safe , be well 👍
So do you fill your tanks with the hills compressor?
🔴Do a 1 year review on the young heng air compressor (THE EBAY SPECIAL)🔴
Andy... you're the best! Funny and informative. Allways waiting for your reviews.
my understanding was the hills compressor was for rifles only not tanks but u said top up so not from empty just top up?
Enjoyed this video as I do all your others, the sense of humour which is added in to most of them helps make your channel, on another note going back to the more budget end of the market I would love to see you do a comparison of springers versus gas ram, pro and cons of each and best budget starter packs for springer and gas ram, cheers Andy and keep up the good work!👍🏻
Great review. The sub £70 can be had for about £35 upwards on ebay, "1 pumps difference to 200 bar", I'd take my chances with the cheapy as a back up. Also I've read people's reports on forums that say they've had no issues with moisture getting into the guns with them either (after using for extended periods then taking the gun apart to check). No disrespect to the hill pump as I'm sure it's brilliant but credit also where it's due for the cheap alternative for coming so close in real world performance!
I got a cheapie in 2020 Stephen, when I couldn't fill my bottle at the time.
It broke soon, then I got an "fx 4 stage turbo"
I've never used my bottle since. I'm skinny, I just strictly top up and don't let the pressure go too low.
Edit: I've had to strip down my s400, no moisture at all, even when using the cheapie and the gun is old.