For APS-C users on a budget, it can't get any better than the 70-350mm. It balances well on Sony APS-C cameras, has great reach and awesome image quality.
For me I use the A7RV + 100-400 GM. 400mm is more than enough for me but if I need the 600mm I will put my RV into APSC mode and I still get 26mp so its perfect for my needs especially with travelling
Great job (as usual), BUT you missed an AWESOME Sony camera that I carried on an 18 day Africa tour of South Africa, Zambia, Botswana, Numibia and Zambia. Through much, brush, dust, in and out of Range Rovers, my faithful RX10IV captured over 5k photos and videos. Phase detect focus with 24-600mm lens worked flawlessly! And, shooting at 600mm/f4 allowed for some beautiful low light shots. And, Sony's anti-mtion blur setting allowed night wildlife shots of a beautiful leopard that no one else in our group could capture. At $1600, the RX10 is a steal for, wildlife and anything else. And, dust and moisture protection kept it going without problems that might experienced by other cameras. At 2 pounds , the RX10IV didn't even cause neck or black strain, not to mention excess baggage cost. 😊👍
It is purely a weight issue. I personally thing its an even trade most of the time. For me, for documentary video being able to pack the tamron "just in case" is nice
@@bloodybrit127 i can do the same with the sigma, and I'm quite happy with it's size being able to put it sideways in the whistler rl400 and the 450 that never gave me any issues with flying
@@thatcrazydutchguy9824 Certainly you can but it is noticeably larger and heavier. Being able to pack the tamron vertically is a plus, for me it was enough difference that when packing my carry on, the tamron was able to squeez in, but the sigma was too much, especially with the lens good. Overall i think most people dont have my contraints and would be better with the sigma. For Tony and Chelsea, i don;t recall seeing them review the sigma so if i recall correctly, its possible they just never got their hands on it.
I have the sony a6400 + Sigma 150-600mm sports lens and it's an awesome combination! I didn't go for a fullframe, because of the 1,5x crop that a crop sensor gives you. I noticed i really need that extra crop.
The A7R ii with the Tamron 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3 Di III RXD Is a great option. The only bad part of it are the 5fps but you can pick this combo up for around 1k on the used market.
I have been using the Wimberley MH-100 Monopod Gimbal on a Benro Supa Dupe monopod when a tripod is not convenient. It is easy to carry either the 400 or the 600 across your shoulders and it is nearly as steady as the tripod.
I’m currently on Fuji XT4 and I usually do street photography. But i really love birds and the few experiences that I had with photographing and filming birds makes me want to get a new camera and lens for this purpose. I just got into photography for like a yearish tho, so there’s still so much for me to learn. Currently looking at Canon and Sony but there’s so many choices idk which to choose.
What about the Sony 400 F2.8 GM lens? About the fastest super telefocal lens available for wildlife photography. No not as much reach as the 600 GM for small or distant subjects, but equally high definition and the ideal lens for larger subjects, be they mammals or large birds such as eagles. The definition is so good, that I get better results with my A1 than with the 200-600 zoom. Also don’t forget that F2.8 is invaluable at dawn and dusk, giving you maybe another 5-10 minutes shooting as the light dims over the F4.
For most shooters, shooting wildlife means birds and some land animals but there is also wildlife under the water surface. There might be some recommendable gear like soft or hard camera cases and lights for under water photography.
A used A9 is the way to go! No point paying more for an A9II because the difference is very subtle. 24mp, 20fps, no blackout, silent shooting, top-notch AF and a nice EVF. If you find a nice one between $1,200 - $1,500, that’s a great deal!
In the UK the used price between the two is not much, so IMO it is worth spending a bit more for the improvements, but not worth replacing an A9 if you already have one. But 100% agree on the A9 family, really good value used. And lower MP is fine if you're not blowing up heavily cropped images for big prints, and it saves on memory cards and HD space (which fills up quick with 20FPS). Another factor is low light performance, which the A9 does well with. Lower MP means more light per cell which really helps compared to the A7R apparently. And for wildlife, thats great for dawn and dusk with owls, deer etc. Although I have found the AF does struggle in the extreme low light situations, but if you're blasting 20FPS you just need a couple of in focus images which has worked out well for me so far.
My 70-350 and 200-600 gathering dust most of the time, I'm using more often tamron 150-500 with a6700, a lot easier to pack it in small bagpack than 200-600, also tamron is much better with macro than 70-350 or 200-600, so when there no birds or bigger animals around it allows me to do some decent macro shots, this way I never come home with empty card :D
I like the Sony FE 400mm f/2.8 GM Lens as I can slap a 1.4x or 2.0x teleconverter on that lens to get that extra reach if I really need it. I like that has a 2.8 Aperture without the teleconverter for those low light shots. Granted you have to get closer to wildlife, but I like the challenge.
You guys are doing a great job and help a lot of people make well informed decisions. Thank you. Questions: What's your take on A6500 for wildlife? Would you use a 1.4X teleconverter or will you use a crop mode in Sony FF cameras?
I have almost all the same gear - but which Gitzo tripod are you actually using? The Gitzo gimbal is also great for video due to the fluid-like damping.
Hi! Is better RX 10 iv o Sony A6700 and Lens Sony 75/350? I have seen also the full frame camera but the lens are very heavy and big.. I want a camera for my travel with quality images and possibile good zoom that can integrate my IPhone 15 pro max. Thanks you
I know this was an Adorama video and not a KEH one, but if you're shooting Sony, it's well worth looking out for a used A-Mount Sony 500 F4. Amazing lens.
We reviewed it here: th-cam.com/video/05EonM03D4Y/w-d-xo.html But it just didn't make the cut as a dedicated wildlife lens. It's more a lens for someone who shoot sports and wildlife... it makes some compromises for that versatility.
What are your thoughts on pairing the a6700 with either the Sony 100-400 (the older version) OR the new 70-200 f4 macro and 1.4x teleconverter for shooting wildlife? I'm looking to upgrade from my a6000 to the a6700. I could go full frame and purchase a telephoto but it wouldn't be in the budget to also replace all my apsc lenses. I know I could shoot in crop mode on the full frame and use the apsc lenses, but then what is the point in having a full frame camera... this leads me back to the a6700. The telephoto lens will be a splurge for me that will need to last quite a few years... Thanks for any advice!
Get the 70-200 F4 macro, you wont regret it. It is so sharp in the middle that even with the 2x teleconverter on it is still sharp on a crop sensor. It becomes a ~ 200-600mm F8 lens that can do the craziest macro of any lens too! It and the A6700 are probably the most versatile zoom combo on the market.
Guys there is 100% an owl around you somewhere. Those robins going crazy as well as all the other birds making a ruckus is a telltale sign of a raptor being around
I am a beginner and want to start travel and wildlife photography should I get A9i/A7riii/A7iiior save more money to get A7iv. Should I get 70-200gm mk2 + 2x tele, 100-400gm and 200-600g please give me a recommendation?
Thanks for yet ANOTHER great Wildlife Photography video!... BUT I wish you were able to wait until after the introduction of the A9III in two weeks (or have you ALREADY DONE THIS but are under the usual 'NDA' HM-M-M....!?! ;) )
Crop magnification in editing is software adjusting an image to a preset final size for display or print. ASPC crop from full frame, or FF from medium format, or medium from large crop is just recording less of/cropping the field of view of what a given lens “sees”. The light coming through the lens doesn’t change. There is no inherent optical magnification and unless there’s an extreme quality difference in the sensors smaller never equals gooder picture. Weight and less hurtfulness to the wallet might be though. 🤷🏼♂️
Great info you 2. Enjoy your honest opinions. I have the Sony A7Riv and love the ability to crop but since I'm doing 60% wildlife/birds and 40% landscape I'm wondering if I should get either the a6700 because of extra reach and new AF processor etc or maybe the A7Cii ( A&R5 not in budget. What do you think. thks
I am sure you did a video where you thought the Sigma 150-600 had the edge on the Sony! It is so difficult looking at gear when reviews do not cover the points you need or omit vital information. Incidentally I have a thing that hooks over a car window, a tripod with no legs, great when you are using the car as a hide.
I have been following you both for a while..I have a Nikon D850 with Nikkor 200-500, 70-200 f2.8 and 16-35 wide angle. I shoot for fun ..got interested after my photos were sold to help poor cancer patients. I want an upgrade now…maybe a Sony alpha 1 with 200-600f/5.6 and the 600f/4 with teleconverter….or do you suggest a Canon. I am retired with all the time in the world…john Thomas, Kerala, India😊
So usually I’d talk about my 100-400 sigma on aps-c because it’s ~kg and equivalent of a 150-600 on crop… But I’m honestly thinking if I didn’t have full frame cameras I’d trade it for the 70-350 which is lighter and almost as good range…
The field of view is cropped. The optical image quality and magnification out of the lens is unchanged. Try the same lens and same composition of the shot on a fixed tripod with one of each camera body.
@@brianlinton910 effectively if I had an a7r5 then I could crop and get the same photo, as an aps-c but otherwise my 24mp aps c is going to get a better photo than most full frame cameras in terms of long reach.
@@GemmaHentschassuming every other aspect the sensor specs are equal, then yes you would have to multiply the the aps-c megapixels by the crop factor to get exactly the same post crop results on a full frame. The physical optical reach of the lens itself doesn’t change regardless of camera body.
Just an observation from a fan. I get that Adorama is sponsoring your videos. That's great. But the constant referral to Adorama throughout the video is more than a little tiresome. Just sayin"
It's a business. You can't make it into a career without making it worth it for your advertisers. You're literally consuming free content that took someone else countless hours to make, I'll never understand how consumers of content still feel like they have a leg to stand on when criticizing...
I'm in the same boat. I've been using that lens since it came out. Like you, 525mm equivelent is just not enough in a lot of situations, but I've yet to find a Lens with more reach that my gimpy old back can tolerate, and I've tried them all. .I know I'll get laughed at, but I recently picked up an OM-1 and a PL 100-400mm. 800mm equivalent with frankly, better bird eye AF than my A6700 (IMO). Sure, there are compromises with the small sensor, but for me, it's been a revelation. Just my experience.
FYI the a6700 shoots at 11fps both mechanical and electronic, while the a6400 is 11 mechanical and 8 electric, but looks like others are pointing out theres a fair bit wrong here, useful as it all is anyway.
I feel guilty about how much I enjoyed this; and I am not a Sony user! Immediately I bought a couple of CFExpress cards for my OM1. Maybe that will help with my buffer problem. As always, thanks for the excellent video!
I figured you guys probably have more camera gear and accessories than anyone could imagine! Things have gotten out of control for me. I'm looking for organizational solutions from anyone with ideas? The Milwaukee PACKOUT modular organizers are what I'm trying right now.
I got 4 big toolboxes from Lowe's and added foam to the drawers. I cut out foam in the shapes of cameras and lenses. I keep them in a closet locked with a keycode.
I purchased a a6600 (1st crop with IBS and it takes the same battery as my a7mk3) the main reason was so I could add the Canon mount Tamron 18-400 from my Canon days, such a great Walk Around/light weight kit. On days when IQ is more of a goal and weight not a concern, I swap that out for the Sigma 150-600 (I chose the Sigma over the Sony 200-600 because of the minimum focus distance being much less) I was thinking of getting the a7mk4 but now I'm thinking the a6700 would be a better choice and more wife friendly. Oops, I mean budget friendly bang for my buck! And yes the 18-400 is at its best performing with good to great light and not so good in lower light conditions
i've the same a7m3 and a wife-friendly (for budget and weight) a6600. Looking for a telephoto lens. What adapter do you use with 18 400. Considering I dont own this lens, would you recommend anything else in similar IQ in Sony? Perhaps, 70 350 G?
I use the Sigma MC-11 Canon EF to Sony E on both cameras,it is tiny bit slower at Autofocus especially with the L glass I used when I first moved from Canon to Sony but,it did the job until I could replace my old glass with Sony E mount glass
The 70-350G with my a6600 is my favorite setup. It's light enough to hike all day and takes great photos. I'll even use it when going to NYC and use it for portraits and architecture @@SenthilRameshJV
A problem with gear reviews is that they seldom comment on the quality of customer support provided by the different manufacturers. I bought a Sony 600mm f4 which had issues but got no real support from Sony at all, leaving me with an extremely expensive unusable lens. ....I am now having to move to another brand because i cannot trust my huge investment in Sony gear will be properly supported moving forwards. It is worth taking this side of ownership into account and checking online reviews on review sites to see the size of the problem with particular manufacturers.
Yeah, they're outrageously expensive! I use the Angelbird 1TB cards which are only $499, but they're currently backordered... CF Express Type A really sucks.
Cheers for a great video again. I have been using the kenko tubes (26mm) on my Sony 200-600 with great results. I do however find that there is some tolerance in the mount. Do you guys know if that is normal? I have been using the tubes for quite some time now and sort of work around the problem, but I was wondering if this is how it should be.
Adorama must be paying you guys in coffee or red bulls these days. I have the 70-200 GM II and 200-600 G. I recently sold the 100-400 GM. I found that the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters work well enough with the 70-200 GM II that I no longer needed the 100-400 GM. And if I wanted to go longer, I had the 200-600mm G.
I did exactly this, I was done with the weight of the 150-500 for travel. They call it super light, I like the 1 kilo from the 70-200 GM II a lot more. With TC 2x and in APS-C mode you get 600mm. Works well, but with TC only for non moving objects and it should be in your frame to a reasonable degree. Otherwise difficult to get it sharp. With the f2.8 without TC (also in APS-C mode) you have a great reach with lots of light. Very manageable in terms of weight.
I thought I was the only one thinking about this. Anyway Sony paid them well as they can both use a A1, the most expensive Sony, which is more expensive then Nikon Z9.
Be happy that we can afford to keep making videos without taking sponsorships from a camera or lens manufacturer. We're pretty much the only big channel that has managed to do that.
Oh boy the 100-400 lens lovers are gonna hate this video!!!! lol There is a cult like following for the 100-400 lens and they are always very vocal on videos where that lens is not the star🤦🏼♂️
With all that gear you really need to go to some awesome place one day maybe amazon forest or something ( Glenn Bartley probably will be the good person to suggest some trip ) you are doing wildlife for so long it would be a great way to spend time :) I know that you got two dogs on your mind and I know its not easy but maybe there is a way around it :)
@@angeloplayforone tbh I just wish them the best experience for them self :) I would not like them to post video from the trip because they will waste 70% of time there for content creation just go and enjoy :)
My Sony A1 was $6500+ tax $650 + 2 160GB $700 .. $7,850.00.. Almost $8,000 before i even put a lens on it. My Canon R7 $1,500 and has better auto focus. Spend your money carefully if you are on a budget. My Nikon Z8 $4,400 .... with better birding lens options.
Sony needs compact and light long tele prime Lenses like 300mm 4.0, 400 4.5 and 500mm 5.6, Nikon is doing it good with their 400mm 4.5, 600mm 6.3 and 800mm 6.3
I think it’s noble that Tony and Chelsea never excepted sponsorship from Câmara manufactures, Although even if they did accept at some point, it’s not like I would ever called them biased or consider their reviews invalid And even without ever accepting, some people call them biased anyway🤷♂️
For APS-C users on a budget, it can't get any better than the 70-350mm. It balances well on Sony APS-C cameras, has great reach and awesome image quality.
For me I use the A7RV + 100-400 GM. 400mm is more than enough for me but if I need the 600mm I will put my RV into APSC mode and I still get 26mp so its perfect for my needs especially with travelling
Sony 200-600 is such an incredible lens. Great to see it getting some recognition
I’m surprised that a lot of Sony users don’t recommended the 100-400 gm. I feel like it’s a really good lens
Great job (as usual), BUT you missed an AWESOME Sony camera that I carried on an 18 day Africa tour of South Africa, Zambia, Botswana, Numibia and Zambia. Through much, brush, dust, in and out of Range Rovers, my faithful RX10IV captured over 5k photos and videos. Phase detect focus with 24-600mm lens worked flawlessly! And, shooting at 600mm/f4 allowed for some beautiful low light shots. And, Sony's anti-mtion blur setting allowed night wildlife shots of a beautiful leopard that no one else in our group could capture. At $1600, the RX10 is a steal for, wildlife and anything else. And, dust and moisture protection kept it going without problems that might experienced by other cameras. At 2 pounds , the RX10IV didn't even cause neck or black strain, not to mention excess baggage cost. 😊👍
20k for a lens means I just need to get better at getting closer.
Agree, they sell it as having a bit less noise. Totally nuts for most people.
I'm kinda wondering why you guys recommend the tamron 150-500 over the sigma 150-600 dg dn?
It is purely a weight issue. I personally thing its an even trade most of the time. For me, for documentary video being able to pack the tamron "just in case" is nice
@@bloodybrit127 i can do the same with the sigma, and I'm quite happy with it's size being able to put it sideways in the whistler rl400 and the 450 that never gave me any issues with flying
@@thatcrazydutchguy9824 Certainly you can but it is noticeably larger and heavier. Being able to pack the tamron vertically is a plus, for me it was enough difference that when packing my carry on, the tamron was able to squeez in, but the sigma was too much, especially with the lens good. Overall i think most people dont have my contraints and would be better with the sigma.
For Tony and Chelsea, i don;t recall seeing them review the sigma so if i recall correctly, its possible they just never got their hands on it.
@@bloodybrit127 it does fit both ways easy in my backpack, but yeah I tested both, the sigma was my favourite after they updated the firmware properly
I was surprised not to hear about the 100-400. I am currently deciding what to do. I love the 70-200 with 2x idea.
I have the sony a6400 + Sigma 150-600mm sports lens and it's an awesome combination! I didn't go for a fullframe, because of the 1,5x crop that a crop sensor gives you. I noticed i really need that extra crop.
The A7R ii with the Tamron 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3 Di III RXD
Is a great option.
The only bad part of it are the 5fps but you can pick this combo up for around 1k on the used market.
I have been using the Wimberley MH-100 Monopod Gimbal on a Benro Supa Dupe monopod when a tripod is not convenient. It is easy to carry either the 400 or the 600 across your shoulders and it is nearly as steady as the tripod.
I’m currently on Fuji XT4 and I usually do street photography. But i really love birds and the few experiences that I had with photographing and filming birds makes me want to get a new camera and lens for this purpose. I just got into photography for like a yearish tho, so there’s still so much for me to learn. Currently looking at Canon and Sony but there’s so many choices idk which to choose.
Great video, as always.
Have you ever tested the sigma 60~600mm?
What about the Sony 400 F2.8 GM lens? About the fastest super telefocal lens available for wildlife photography. No not as much reach as the 600 GM for small or distant subjects, but equally high definition and the ideal lens for larger subjects, be they mammals or large birds such as eagles. The definition is so good, that I get better results with my A1 than with the 200-600 zoom. Also don’t forget that F2.8 is invaluable at dawn and dusk, giving you maybe another 5-10 minutes shooting as the light dims over the F4.
I don't think people that can afford a $16,000 lens (CAD) are watching this TH-cam video.
For most shooters, shooting wildlife means birds and some land animals but there is also wildlife under the water surface.
There might be some recommendable gear like soft or hard camera cases and lights for under water photography.
i doubt these people will do any sort of underwater review, the high-end underwater market is extraordinarily niche
A used A9 is the way to go! No point paying more for an A9II because the difference is very subtle. 24mp, 20fps, no blackout, silent shooting, top-notch AF and a nice EVF. If you find a nice one between $1,200 - $1,500, that’s a great deal!
In the UK the used price between the two is not much, so IMO it is worth spending a bit more for the improvements, but not worth replacing an A9 if you already have one.
But 100% agree on the A9 family, really good value used. And lower MP is fine if you're not blowing up heavily cropped images for big prints, and it saves on memory cards and HD space (which fills up quick with 20FPS).
Another factor is low light performance, which the A9 does well with. Lower MP means more light per cell which really helps compared to the A7R apparently. And for wildlife, thats great for dawn and dusk with owls, deer etc. Although I have found the AF does struggle in the extreme low light situations, but if you're blasting 20FPS you just need a couple of in focus images which has worked out well for me so far.
Fact check. The AF in the A6700 is more advanced than the A7IV. It has that AI chip that the A7IV does not.
There's lots of wrong information in this video.....
Yes the a6700 is more advanced but the Autofokus is on one level I think 😆
On paper, until you start using it out in the field. 😭😭😭
@@rlpring78 What does that even mean? Compared to my A7RV, I see no discernible difference in AF
To my experience, the A6700 AF is slightly better.
My 70-350 and 200-600 gathering dust most of the time, I'm using more often tamron 150-500 with a6700, a lot easier to pack it in small bagpack than 200-600, also tamron is much better with macro than 70-350 or 200-600, so when there no birds or bigger animals around it allows me to do some decent macro shots, this way I never come home with empty card :D
I love the bloopers, please always keep that in! 😂
I like the Sony FE 400mm f/2.8 GM Lens as I can slap a 1.4x or 2.0x teleconverter on that lens to get that extra reach if I really need it. I like that has a 2.8 Aperture without the teleconverter for those low light shots. Granted you have to get closer to wildlife, but I like the challenge.
You guys are doing a great job and help a lot of people make well informed decisions. Thank you.
Questions:
What's your take on A6500 for wildlife?
Would you use a 1.4X teleconverter or will you use a crop mode in Sony FF cameras?
you forgot to mention Adorama.
Would you use the 100-400 with its better sharpness and have to crop more heavily or use the 200-600 for the extra reach and crop less?
Would you recommend the Sony a7riv for wildlife? I have the sigma 150-600mm sports?
Great vid. But how about the Sony 100-400 gm lens?
If you had to choose today, would you get a brand new A7RV or a used A1?
great video guys!!
I have almost all the same gear - but which Gitzo tripod are you actually using? The Gitzo gimbal is also great for video due to the fluid-like damping.
Using a Sony a6700 with the 200-600. I'm getting NATGEO shots 😊
Nice! I have the a6600 with the 200-600. I'll use it for a few more years then maybe upgrade
@@mikerck underrated combo. Full frame gets all the attention
Hi! Is better RX 10 iv o Sony A6700 and Lens Sony 75/350? I have seen also the full frame camera but the lens are very heavy and big.. I want a camera for my travel with quality images and possibile good zoom that can integrate my IPhone 15 pro max. Thanks you
I know this was an Adorama video and not a KEH one, but if you're shooting Sony, it's well worth looking out for a used A-Mount Sony 500 F4. Amazing lens.
May I ask what camera/lens you were using for the talking head portion of the video?
hello , why you are not explaining about the a7rv at all , it is better than the a7iv ? , is it worth the extra money
No mention of the Sigma 60-600 Sport? Much more versatile range than the others.
We reviewed it here: th-cam.com/video/05EonM03D4Y/w-d-xo.html
But it just didn't make the cut as a dedicated wildlife lens. It's more a lens for someone who shoot sports and wildlife... it makes some compromises for that versatility.
Could love to hear more about how you usually carry lens and camera in and out.
Great review 👍. Sony 100-400 is also a good option for wildlife photography. Please do a review on it also and share your thoughts. 😊
Great lens, just a little short to make our recommendations for wildlife.
I agree. It’s my favorite birding lens.
@@TonyAndChelsea The 70-200mm with the teleconverter was recommended in the video though.
How can you process 1 TB of pictures after a shooting? Do you have time?
What are your thoughts on pairing the a6700 with either the Sony 100-400 (the older version) OR the new 70-200 f4 macro and 1.4x teleconverter for shooting wildlife? I'm looking to upgrade from my a6000 to the a6700. I could go full frame and purchase a telephoto but it wouldn't be in the budget to also replace all my apsc lenses. I know I could shoot in crop mode on the full frame and use the apsc lenses, but then what is the point in having a full frame camera... this leads me back to the a6700. The telephoto lens will be a splurge for me that will need to last quite a few years... Thanks for any advice!
Get the 70-200 F4 macro, you wont regret it. It is so sharp in the middle that even with the 2x teleconverter on it is still sharp on a crop sensor. It becomes a ~ 200-600mm F8 lens that can do the craziest macro of any lens too! It and the A6700 are probably the most versatile zoom combo on the market.
Guys there is 100% an owl around you somewhere. Those robins going crazy as well as all the other birds making a ruckus is a telltale sign of a raptor being around
Hai which camera and lens u are using for shooting this video
I am a beginner and want to start travel and wildlife photography should I get A9i/A7riii/A7iiior save more money to get A7iv. Should I get 70-200gm mk2 + 2x tele, 100-400gm and 200-600g please give me a recommendation?
What did you get?
Whatever you choose, spend more on a lens, the lens matters most.
Thanks for yet ANOTHER great Wildlife Photography video!... BUT I wish you were able to wait until after the introduction of the A9III in two weeks (or have you ALREADY DONE THIS but are under the usual 'NDA' HM-M-M....!?! ;) )
Crop magnification in editing is software adjusting an image to a preset final size for display or print. ASPC crop from full frame, or FF from medium format, or medium from large crop is just recording less of/cropping the field of view of what a given lens “sees”. The light coming through the lens doesn’t change. There is no inherent optical magnification and unless there’s an extreme quality difference in the sensors smaller never equals gooder picture. Weight and less hurtfulness to the wallet might be though. 🤷🏼♂️
Great info you 2. Enjoy your honest opinions. I have the Sony A7Riv and love the ability to crop but since I'm doing 60% wildlife/birds and 40% landscape I'm wondering if I should get either the a6700 because of extra reach and new AF processor etc or maybe the A7Cii ( A&R5 not in budget. What do you think. thks
any reason a6600 wasn't in recommendations with the rest?
I am sure you did a video where you thought the Sigma 150-600 had the edge on the Sony! It is so difficult looking at gear when reviews do not cover the points you need or omit vital information. Incidentally I have a thing that hooks over a car window, a tripod with no legs, great when you are using the car as a hide.
Thanks
I have been following you both for a while..I have a Nikon D850 with Nikkor 200-500, 70-200 f2.8 and 16-35 wide angle. I shoot for fun ..got interested after my photos were sold to help poor cancer patients. I want an upgrade now…maybe a Sony alpha 1 with 200-600f/5.6 and the 600f/4 with teleconverter….or do you suggest a Canon. I am retired with all the time in the world…john Thomas, Kerala, India😊
So usually I’d talk about my 100-400 sigma on aps-c because it’s ~kg and equivalent of a 150-600 on crop…
But I’m honestly thinking if I didn’t have full frame cameras I’d trade it for the 70-350 which is lighter and almost as good range…
One of the best things about the Canon 100-500 is that it's only ~1.3kg
The field of view is cropped. The optical image quality and magnification out of the lens is unchanged. Try the same lens and same composition of the shot on a fixed tripod with one of each camera body.
@@brianlinton910 effectively if I had an a7r5 then I could crop and get the same photo, as an aps-c but otherwise my 24mp aps c is going to get a better photo than most full frame cameras in terms of long reach.
@@GemmaHentschassuming every other aspect the sensor specs are equal, then yes you would have to multiply the the aps-c megapixels by the crop factor to get exactly the same post crop results on a full frame. The physical optical reach of the lens itself doesn’t change regardless of camera body.
For me the best Sony Cameras for Wildlife are Sony A7RII, Sony A7RIIIA, Sony A7RIV, Sony A7RIVA and Sony A7RV.
just love your presentations
Just an observation from a fan. I get that Adorama is sponsoring your videos. That's great. But the constant referral to Adorama throughout the video is more than a little tiresome. Just sayin"
It's a business. You can't make it into a career without making it worth it for your advertisers. You're literally consuming free content that took someone else countless hours to make, I'll never understand how consumers of content still feel like they have a leg to stand on when criticizing...
I use a 6700 with the 70-350 with sometimes decent results but would sure like a little more reach but appreciate the smaller size
I'm in the same boat. I've been using that lens since it came out. Like you, 525mm equivelent is just not enough in a lot of situations, but I've yet to find a Lens with more reach that my gimpy old back can tolerate, and I've tried them all. .I know I'll get laughed at, but I recently picked up an OM-1 and a PL 100-400mm. 800mm equivalent with frankly, better bird eye AF than my A6700 (IMO). Sure, there are compromises with the small sensor, but for me, it's been a revelation. Just my experience.
By far the best video you all have put out in some time. I enjoyed watching it very much. Great visuals, music and bloopers were funny as well haha.
the new sigma 500 is tempting with the Sony
Really enjoyed the video. 👍
Thank you, I do like the blooper at the end of the video.
FYI the a6700 shoots at 11fps both mechanical and electronic, while the a6400 is 11 mechanical and 8 electric, but looks like others are pointing out theres a fair bit wrong here, useful as it all is anyway.
I feel guilty about how much I enjoyed this; and I am not a Sony user! Immediately I bought a couple of CFExpress cards for my OM1. Maybe that will help with my buffer problem. As always, thanks for the excellent video!
What camera and lens did you use to shoot this video???! It looks amazing! Awesome Job!
Camera doesn’t matter, was probably a full frame 50 1.2 lens.
They normally use Sony A7SIII.
I am really happy that I invested 30k for my entire setup of sony a1 and few lenses. But It can take a lot of time to master perfect shots
Thank you
I figured you guys probably have more camera gear and accessories than anyone could imagine! Things have gotten out of control for me. I'm looking for organizational solutions from anyone with ideas? The Milwaukee PACKOUT modular organizers are what I'm trying right now.
I got 4 big toolboxes from Lowe's and added foam to the drawers. I cut out foam in the shapes of cameras and lenses. I keep them in a closet locked with a keycode.
I purchased a a6600 (1st crop with IBS and it takes the same battery as my a7mk3) the main reason was so I could add the Canon mount Tamron 18-400 from my Canon days, such a great Walk Around/light weight kit. On days when IQ is more of a goal and weight not a concern, I swap that out for the Sigma 150-600 (I chose the Sigma over the Sony 200-600 because of the minimum focus distance being much less) I was thinking of getting the a7mk4 but now I'm thinking the a6700 would be a better choice and more wife friendly. Oops, I mean budget friendly bang for my buck! And yes the 18-400 is at its best performing with good to great light and not so good in lower light conditions
i've the same a7m3 and a wife-friendly (for budget and weight) a6600. Looking for a telephoto lens. What adapter do you use with 18 400. Considering I dont own this lens, would you recommend anything else in similar IQ in Sony? Perhaps, 70 350 G?
I use the Sigma MC-11 Canon EF to Sony E on both cameras,it is tiny bit slower at Autofocus especially with the L glass I used when I first moved from Canon to Sony but,it did the job until I could replace my old glass with Sony E mount glass
The 70-350G with my a6600 is my favorite setup. It's light enough to hike all day and takes great photos. I'll even use it when going to NYC and use it for portraits and architecture @@SenthilRameshJV
Sigma MC-11 adapter Canon EF to Sony E
how much shaper is the 600GM compared to the 200-600? did you do any lab test?
Its a huge difference. Why would anyone pay for it if it was not.
Sony meet all my wildlife needs 🙂
Chelsea’s like “Tony, first edit is a caption that explains you’re older than me on the experience comment” 😊
🤣Bloopers at the end 🤣
00:27 Chels is a savage!😅
I would like to recommend the Sony A9, secondhand it's often less than 2000, almost the same as the A9II
Nice
The best camera for wildlife is one that the wildlife can use !
A problem with gear reviews is that they seldom comment on the quality of customer support provided by the different manufacturers. I bought a Sony 600mm f4 which had issues but got no real support from Sony at all, leaving me with an extremely expensive unusable lens. ....I am now having to move to another brand because i cannot trust my huge investment in Sony gear will be properly supported moving forwards. It is worth taking this side of ownership into account and checking online reviews on review sites to see the size of the problem with particular manufacturers.
CF Express Type A cards don’t come in a 512gb size. And even if they did, they would cost over $600 a piece. )The 640gb are $750)
Yeah, they're outrageously expensive! I use the Angelbird 1TB cards which are only $499, but they're currently backordered... CF Express Type A really sucks.
@@TonyAndChelsea - I hadn’t heard about Angelbird. Thanks for the heads up!
Always enjoy the content and the bloopers remind us that everyone makes simple mistakes at times
This video featured some "Pixel Peeping" at 4:01 ;)
A7iv only need V90 SD card
Cheers for a great video again. I have been using the kenko tubes (26mm) on my Sony 200-600 with great results. I do however find that there is some tolerance in the mount. Do you guys know if that is normal? I have been using the tubes for quite some time now and sort of work around the problem, but I was wondering if this is how it should be.
Adorama must be paying you guys in coffee or red bulls these days. I have the 70-200 GM II and 200-600 G. I recently sold the 100-400 GM. I found that the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters work well enough with the 70-200 GM II that I no longer needed the 100-400 GM. And if I wanted to go longer, I had the 200-600mm G.
How 200-600 with x2 works for you?
❤ A Tony bobblehead?
I've been happy with my 150-500 tamron but i think i'm going to trade it in for the 70-200 + TC1.4 or TC2.0.
I did exactly this, I was done with the weight of the 150-500 for travel. They call it super light, I like the 1 kilo from the 70-200 GM II a lot more. With TC 2x and in APS-C mode you get 600mm. Works well, but with TC only for non moving objects and it should be in your frame to a reasonable degree. Otherwise difficult to get it sharp. With the f2.8 without TC (also in APS-C mode) you have a great reach with lots of light. Very manageable in terms of weight.
Hey Tony & Chelsea - by can we expect a review/ your initial impressions on the Nikon Z f?
Yes! We pre-ordered one, and Nikon cancelled it for some reason. So I ordered another and we wait...
My wife and I have A1’s and 200-600 then add expensive CF-A cards and Sony grips plus gimbals and tripods and 2 1.4 Telly’s equals $$$$$
More like a Sony commercial.
Yeah A7IV is not Sonys least expensive full frame.
They already said sale from sponsor.
I thought I was the only one thinking about this. Anyway Sony paid them well as they can both use a A1, the most expensive Sony, which is more expensive then Nikon Z9.
Cf Express A Cards .. 2nd fiddle to Type B Cards >>
Yeah I totally agree
Expensive as well
I love it
Would love to see a comparison with the big guns, Sony 600Gm vs canon RF600 vs Nikon 600 Z.
Really dislike the affiliate link pop ups. Have to dismiss every single one individually, a very painful process when multi tasking.
I'm sad that your channel has become a continuos ad for "what's new to buy at Adorama".
Be happy that we can afford to keep making videos without taking sponsorships from a camera or lens manufacturer. We're pretty much the only big channel that has managed to do that.
holy crap these product pop up ads are annoying af.
Forgot Sigma 150-600
Sorry, I laughed on your NG takes.
Oh boy the 100-400 lens lovers are gonna hate this video!!!! lol
There is a cult like following for the 100-400 lens and they are always very vocal on videos where that lens is not the star🤦🏼♂️
gear only doesnt matter in portrait photos, but matters in wildlife and sports photography.
im sorry but calling the autofocus on the a7iv better than the a6700 is just plain wrong
With all that gear you really need to go to some awesome place one day maybe amazon forest or something ( Glenn Bartley probably will be the good person to suggest some trip ) you are doing wildlife for so long it would be a great way to spend time :) I know that you got two dogs on your mind and I know its not easy but maybe there is a way around it :)
I never seen a video of them on a safari trip. Something I saw from other Wildlife photographers.
@@angeloplayforone tbh I just wish them the best experience for them self :) I would not like them to post video from the trip because they will waste 70% of time there for content creation just go and enjoy :)
My Sony A1 was $6500+ tax $650 + 2 160GB $700 .. $7,850.00.. Almost $8,000 before i even put a lens on it. My Canon R7 $1,500 and has better auto focus. Spend your money carefully if you are on a budget. My Nikon Z8 $4,400 .... with better birding lens options.
Tonys arch enemy: The Extension tube, aka Teleconverters. 😂😂😂
Still giving him a hard time after all these years.
Sony needs compact and light long tele prime Lenses like 300mm 4.0, 400 4.5 and 500mm 5.6, Nikon is doing it good with their 400mm 4.5, 600mm 6.3 and 800mm 6.3
Yes Nikon
Yea. The nikon pf line is amazing option. Since not everyone can or want to buy those f2.8 ans f4 .. come on Sony.
@@sgpork I am not a fan of the pf lens design, but the 400mm 4.5 is very fine.
I know the feeling Tony...😒
😅😅😅
I think it’s noble that Tony and Chelsea never excepted sponsorship from Câmara manufactures, Although even if they did accept at some point, it’s not like I would ever called them biased or consider their reviews invalid
And even without ever accepting, some people call them biased anyway🤷♂️