Good Battery Cells have round about 700 Wh/L not 300 like stated. Gasoline has ~10.000 Wh/L, not 1.000 like stated. Does the 2000 Wh/L of the paste including the 2 parts of water that are needed for each 1 part of paste for the reaction or without?
Probably not, and the cost of the paste will more than likely be prohibitively expensive. I think microturbines combined with synthetic CO2-neutral fuels will be the future for many applications. It is very clean and has a very high energy density.
This video did not address the full operational cycle that includes disposal or recycling of small quantities of Mg and other metallic waste that must remain after the H2 is consumed. Can it be fed back into the production process to be combined with H2O and electricity to generate more paste?
@@EgnachHelton -- Where is it addressed, Charlie? Certainly not in the audio. If there is any detail in the flowchart, it was not readable on my display.
@Andrea GG -- Thank you, Andrea. I had to capture the chart from a much larger screen display in order to read these details. I still would like to see a residentially-sized set of devices to accomplish all the elements of these processes, presuming some quantity of continual renewable inputs such as sunlight, water, and electricity, subsequent to initial and perhaps occasional supplies of dolomite and magnesium powders. Apparently someone else is developing prototype solar collectors which produce H2 from water, which would nicely complement the MgH2 production. And I'd like to know a bit more about how it is proposed to retrieve or scavenge Mg byproducts from the devices that utilize the paste to retrieve the energy stored therein, in order to input them into the recycling processes.
Yes it can be done with the use of one of these concentrator devices- A mirror dish of 2 meter diameter is sufficient to melt the magnesium chloride salt and recapture the chloride gas and be left with pure cooled powder Mg www.crses.sun.ac.za/files/services/conferences/annual-student-symposium-2017/DAY%201/session5a/L_Hockaday.pdf
MgCl2 has plenty of other uses too, and the Chlorine can be used as a disinfectant- MgCl2 Is also used on roads and can be found in those yellow boxes on neighborhood streets for de-icing and melting snow on roads. Mg(Oh)2 also has many domestic uses
If we discovered this sooner absolutely none of the bullshit and global poverty we are witnessing today will have ever occured and we would be living in a high tech society- we have Saudi Arabia, UK and USA squarely to blame for this.
Also Magnesium Silicate minerals are easily formed from abundant Olivine and Basalt mineral- These can also be dumped in the Ocean to remove mega and gigatonnes of CO2, there is another great use for Basalt/Olivine- as a 3D printing mineral for formation of 3D printed Houses- two of the best 3D projects: one for NASA Mars project and the other from Mighty Building (tm) which are going massively commercial can use this huge industrial resource- See the paper "Transformation of abundant magnesium silicate minerals for enhanced CO2 sequestration" (link is being censored on youtube)
What is more Seawater electrolysis for hydrogen can also provide many of these elements in liquid and gas form- massive solar concentrators on the sea can change the arctic ocean albedo and produce all the worlds hydrogen- metallized film can be mounted on 2-400 meter long foam floats that have a parabolic sump in the middle and a giant metallised film mirror reflector to produce electricity for electrolysis- in fact hydrogen can be electrolysed in the shallow pool of water in the sump- this hydrogen can then be shipped back to large processing facilities on land or also on the ocean for recharging power paste- is another huge option- this also allows for reclamation of lithium and chlorine from sea water for use in the powerpaste recycling process. This is a Magnesium solar hydrogen economy and can also be done in kit for by individuals or community neighborhoods or at the level of small municipal conurbations. The energy industry is trying to bring competition but cannot compete with this- if they try do implement something else they can be charged with ecomurder of the human population and ecosphere.
I would like to see them produce a residentially-sized unit which produced sufficient quantities of paste for family-unit energy requirements of cooking, heating, electricity, and transportation. Solar collectors might be an excellent energy input source to produce what is then clean H2 storage. I would look forward also to an air-mobility application of the paste for personal transportation. Particularly I can envision an electrically-powered cyclogyro "backpack" (also cutting edge tech) for which MgH2 paste + H2O could provide sufficient operational duration where current secondary-battery capacity falls short.
Could Fraunholfer please explain about the waste sludge handling of the powerpaste? A demonstration of the TRL-5 and how much waste is produced, how it is handled,, its chemical make up, can it be recycled, etc.
The concept of cartridge for hydrogen production from alkali/alkali earth metals and water reaction was patented in 2011. Now it is a technology called METALIQ. It is fully out of the carbon cycle and as a by product NaOH is obtained. This material is ideal to capture CO2.
Sounds fascinating but I still can’t understand what the byproducts are. They say they are using metal salts, probably to stabilize that goo. The process of energy generation also requires water. Does that mean we will have a ton of metal salt contaminated water if and when this thing takes off?
This technology can potentially revolutionise maritime industry and replace heavy fuel oil to propel future vessels since sea water can be used in hydrogen generator. International maritime organization should consider this amazing technology to achieve zero emissions target. Thanks 👍 for presentation. Would love to know more about development in this technology.
Am I the only one concerned about the chlorine in MgCl2? It shows up in the magnesium cycle at 14:00, top left. It looks to me like you have to carry chlorine gas or hydrochloric acid in your car....
14:46 in the video is the biggest steaming pile of bullsh*t I think I've seen from anyone from an institute like Fraunhofer. Water electrolysis plus high pressure storage plus the fuelcell (which they too must use) has a cycle efficiency of less than 37% absolute best case. Aluminum electrolysis is by no means anywhere nearly as efficient as water electrolysis, given that it is a high temperature process- and magnesium is harder still. In reality, when all is said and done, it is much more likely that the recycling step- Mg(OH)2 back to MgH2 in the form of this paste, is a very, very lossy step indeed. And if you want to involve a metal refinery (which is what making Mg(OH)2 back to Mg metal really is) in your recharging cycle, running your car off thousands of similarly non-rechargeable zinc-air hearing aid batteries likely makes more sense!
Good Battery Cells have round about 700 Wh/L not 300 like stated. Gasoline has ~10.000 Wh/L, not 1.000 like stated.
Does the 2000 Wh/L of the paste including the 2 parts of water that are needed for each 1 part of paste for the reaction or without?
Probably not, and the cost of the paste will more than likely be prohibitively expensive. I think microturbines combined with synthetic CO2-neutral fuels will be the future for many applications. It is very clean and has a very high energy density.
In marine applications it will make more sense, since water is always available and not something you have to carry.
This video did not address the full operational cycle that includes disposal or recycling of small quantities of Mg and other metallic waste that must remain after the H2 is consumed. Can it be fed back into the production process to be combined with H2O and electricity to generate more paste?
Yep, unless there is a way to create MgH2 directly from Mg(OH)2, we need to electrolyze molten Mg(OH)2 to get back metallic Mg.
It's addressed at 14:56
@@EgnachHelton -- Where is it addressed, Charlie? Certainly not in the audio. If there is any detail in the flowchart, it was not readable on my display.
@@EgnachHelton How about Sun-light Pumped Laser?
@Andrea GG -- Thank you, Andrea. I had to capture the chart from a much larger screen display in order to read these details. I still would like to see a residentially-sized set of devices to accomplish all the elements of these processes, presuming some quantity of continual renewable inputs such as sunlight, water, and electricity, subsequent to initial and perhaps occasional supplies of dolomite and magnesium powders. Apparently someone else is developing prototype solar collectors which produce H2 from water, which would nicely complement the MgH2 production. And I'd like to know a bit more about how it is proposed to retrieve or scavenge Mg byproducts from the devices that utilize the paste to retrieve the energy stored therein, in order to input them into the recycling processes.
Is any portable unit or DIY Kit available? Pilot production and DIY Kit of small size easily make it more popular and acceptable.
Yes it can be done with the use of one of these concentrator devices- A mirror dish of 2 meter diameter is sufficient to melt the magnesium chloride salt and recapture the chloride gas and be left with pure cooled powder Mg www.crses.sun.ac.za/files/services/conferences/annual-student-symposium-2017/DAY%201/session5a/L_Hockaday.pdf
MgCl2 has plenty of other uses too, and the Chlorine can be used as a disinfectant- MgCl2 Is also used on roads and can be found in those yellow boxes on neighborhood streets for de-icing and melting snow on roads. Mg(Oh)2 also has many domestic uses
If we discovered this sooner absolutely none of the bullshit and global poverty we are witnessing today will have ever occured and we would be living in a high tech society- we have Saudi Arabia, UK and USA squarely to blame for this.
Also Magnesium Silicate minerals are easily formed from abundant Olivine and Basalt mineral- These can also be dumped in the Ocean to remove mega and gigatonnes of CO2, there is another great use for Basalt/Olivine- as a 3D printing mineral for formation of 3D printed Houses- two of the best 3D projects: one for NASA Mars project and the other from Mighty Building (tm) which are going massively commercial can use this huge industrial resource- See the paper "Transformation of abundant magnesium silicate minerals for enhanced CO2 sequestration" (link is being censored on youtube)
What is more Seawater electrolysis for hydrogen can also provide many of these elements in liquid and gas form- massive solar concentrators on the sea can change the arctic ocean albedo and produce all the worlds hydrogen- metallized film can be mounted on 2-400 meter long foam floats that have a parabolic sump in the middle and a giant metallised film mirror reflector to produce electricity for electrolysis- in fact hydrogen can be electrolysed in the shallow pool of water in the sump- this hydrogen can then be shipped back to large processing facilities on land or also on the ocean for recharging power paste- is another huge option- this also allows for reclamation of lithium and chlorine from sea water for use in the powerpaste recycling process. This is a Magnesium solar hydrogen economy and can also be done in kit for by individuals or community neighborhoods or at the level of small municipal conurbations. The energy industry is trying to bring competition but cannot compete with this- if they try do implement something else they can be charged with ecomurder of the human population and ecosphere.
Can we utilize Sun-light Pumped Laser to extract Mg directly from Mg(OH)2 ?
I would like to see them produce a residentially-sized unit which produced sufficient quantities of paste for family-unit energy requirements of cooking, heating, electricity, and transportation. Solar collectors might be an excellent energy input source to produce what is then clean H2 storage. I would look forward also to an air-mobility application of the paste for personal transportation. Particularly I can envision an electrically-powered cyclogyro "backpack" (also cutting edge tech) for which MgH2 paste + H2O could provide sufficient operational duration where current secondary-battery capacity falls short.
Is any DIY Kit available? Pilot production and DIY Kit of small size easily make it more popular and acceptable
WEF would make that ilegal
Could Fraunholfer please explain about the waste sludge handling of the powerpaste? A demonstration of the TRL-5 and how much waste is produced, how it is handled,, its chemical make up, can it be recycled, etc.
Recycling is explained in chart of presentation
The main hurdle will be to lower the cost of the powerpaste and refueling...
Would love to have a drone that can fly much longer or an ebike that is much lighter.
yeah but its cool to plug in the bike and not needing to go buy fuel.
The concept of cartridge for hydrogen production from alkali/alkali earth metals and water reaction was patented in 2011. Now it is a technology called METALIQ. It is fully out of the carbon cycle and as a by product NaOH is obtained. This material is ideal to capture CO2.
Sounds fascinating but I still can’t understand what the byproducts are. They say they are using metal salts, probably to stabilize that goo. The process of energy generation also requires water. Does that mean we will have a ton of metal salt contaminated water if and when this thing takes off?
i guess so
Metal salt is either in water or in a filter that needs to be changed
Is the hydrolysis exothermic, and if so, how much heat is released?
How big an issue is the physical and chemical handling of Mg(OH)2 - could this be the stumbling block?
This technology can potentially revolutionise maritime industry and replace heavy fuel oil to propel future vessels since sea water can be used in hydrogen generator. International maritime organization should consider this amazing technology to achieve zero emissions target. Thanks 👍 for presentation. Would love to know more about development in this technology.
It would be nice, but more than likely the powerpaste will be super expensive.
@@cryptohouse1676 That's right, unfortunately shipping companies always look for cheaper options.
This is a liquid metal hydride??
is this available in India
What happened to this project?
Did US give up from Petrodollar system?
Its more expensive than green hydrogen so it made no sense from the start
Am I the only one concerned about the chlorine in MgCl2? It shows up in the magnesium cycle at 14:00, top left. It looks to me like you have to carry chlorine gas or hydrochloric acid in your car....
That didn't explain how power paste use in vehicle difference with gasoline combustion engine
What happened to this invention?
You're brilliant!
14:46 in the video is the biggest steaming pile of bullsh*t I think I've seen from anyone from an institute like Fraunhofer. Water electrolysis plus high pressure storage plus the fuelcell (which they too must use) has a cycle efficiency of less than 37% absolute best case. Aluminum electrolysis is by no means anywhere nearly as efficient as water electrolysis, given that it is a high temperature process- and magnesium is harder still. In reality, when all is said and done, it is much more likely that the recycling step- Mg(OH)2 back to MgH2 in the form of this paste, is a very, very lossy step indeed. And if you want to involve a metal refinery (which is what making Mg(OH)2 back to Mg metal really is) in your recharging cycle, running your car off thousands of similarly non-rechargeable zinc-air hearing aid batteries likely makes more sense!
fusion power + electrolysis + power paste + fuel cell + electric motors = future
Space colonies will be easly managable in term of storing energy Spacex should buy this technology right now
This sounds awesome but I wish they came up with a better name like Turbulent Juice.
even bang ass juice
Make a car battery out of it and see what it does
😀😀😀
Professional presentation ,……. Typisch deutsch…….. Frauhhofer Forschung .?
Not really new just a deviation of old technology repackaged- th-cam.com/video/7LN1iD6fR2E/w-d-xo.html
Very interesting but it s a pitty , that he speaks in english and not his mother language using a translator for the rest of the people. A pitty.