Not sure but this might be considered the good ending but it's not a good ending at all Persona 5 Playlist: • Persona 5 - Merciless ... Twitter: / willjv2
All the people who keep saying "ya know, the deal wasn't so bad" even though it was at the cost of free will shows how they completely missed the point of the game
pinglefingle I actually think they are alive just corrupted and seeking fame (like they originally did) I mean I don't think Joker can solo a palace(multiple actually since the whole police force had a change of heart)
You see Atlas understood what they were doing perfectly. All of the people who accepted this ending as okay and fine judged it in a selfish way Ofcourse they know what happened to their friends, so do selfish criminals and people who after harming their friends to achieve their own personal goals(they might regret harming them after, but not during gaming them.) Atlas knew this way of thinking and perceiving and applied it amazingly in Persona 5 and I loved it a lot. Now just because you think the bad or alternate ending is OK I'm not trying to target you. I think that ending is messed up and if you want to talk about it with me. ----> @
The point of the game really is kinda not well thought out anyway. The point that changes of hearts are at best morally ambigous and at worst morally inacceptible isn't covered enough in the game at all. The phantom thieves are still considered heroes for completely changing persons without any repercussions because it's "for the better". It's one thing I hate about the story of this game.
A great bad ending. Akira betrays everyone and sacrifices them all for a chance to go on living his own life, warped by the God of Control. Even Lavenza had no idea Akira would actually agree. You even outsmarted Igor Alll of his friends are dead and nobody even knows who they were. That evil smirk at the end was fantastic too
I feel like there was some untapped potential for angst and sadness for picking this ending. Maybe you could've seen all the Phantom theives and other friends be the only ones to realize Akira's/Ren's corruption and despise him or maybe see how the world isn't real and Akira/Ren is just trapped inside a palace. Would've been cool as fuck
The way I see it, the other Phantom Thieves are alive, but have become the worst case scenario: Despots who change the hearts of not just criminals, but ANYONE who dares to oppose them or stand out of line. Just like Yaldaboth himself.
@@benjaminpeterson455 they are not. The others never existed in the cognition of general public, thus they aren't alive. The onlyone who knows they existed at all is Ren. Simple logic
i think it said in game that persona users can't have a palace, buuuut.. i'd happily ignore that because that WOULD'VE been cool af and i rly wish they'd gone that route with this ending now that i read this comment D: D:
It would have been awesome for the phantom thieves have to fight joker and you still be controlling joker so if you win the ending is carried through and if you lose you die and the phantom thieves have to kill Igor
Keep in mind that at this point the Phantom Thieves had given up hope. You find them imprisoned and they're not upset about it. They're in their casual attire, implying they had lost their rebellious spirit. Joker's deal is the very last hope.
Keep in mind that at this point the Phantom Thieves had given up hope. You find them imprisoned and they're not upset about it. They're in their casual attire, implying they had lost their rebellious spirit. Joker's deal is the very last hope.
This ending is just like Corpse Party, only Joker survived and his friends were being abandon left to die in Velvet Room. And I bet Sojiro will say who is Futaba? She doesn't exist at all. The same goes for those who were related to from Ryuji to Haru, as if they wasn't exist to begin with. In the end Joker has become corrupted person with that damned evil smile, showing that he is a completely a changed evil man. Welp I can't say I am correct lol.
phones961O2 Akechi did everything by himself as well and Joker is just as strong if not stronger by the end of the game. Plus, he has Yaldaboath on his side.
What I like the most about this ending is that it is broad enough to be open to interpretation. Yes, I know the popular opinion is that Joker becomes "the very thing he sought to destroy" by "trading the free will of humanity for fame". However, that is not the only way to interpret the deal if you think about it. Imagine that Joker believes that he really screwed up by entering an unwinnable fight, one that has claimed the lives of his teammates and damned humanity to the point of being nothing more than mindless drones in a world fused with the metaverse. He would do anything for a chance to undo his decision to "reform society", a goal that he no longer feels he can possibly accomplish given the scope of the problem. This deal essentially undoes all of the damage he feels his actions have caused, and while it condemns the public to be prisoners of their subconscious desires, it is not any different than the fate they would have been subject to anyway. I could see Joker accept this deal simply as an admission of defeat, acknowledging that this is the only way he feels that he can save humanity after throwing the world into chaos. Having the Phantom Thieves clear their names would just be seen as an added bonus.
Your nickname is Griffith isn't it? Edit: Btw the only good thing about this ending is honoring the name 'Joker' in all manners and seeing society, riding with full speed to hell.
that's possible another is that he simply, give up his justice, the world didn't want it to the point where his life became a hell, dus he sees he can't progress with such a childish mindset as doing good because it will help someone a little, because it may just cost him everything for to take such an action
I think you can also consider how Joker was forced into the role of trickster, as he begins the as functional rejected by society. Even if he does choose to fight against the God of Control he still has to turn himself in to implement change. Considering how defeating the God of Control only allows the possibility of reform can Joker be blamed for not wanting to spend Christmas incarcerated?
It’s because assuming akira would choose that, he would be selfish enough to not care for the state of all the people now knowing this greater evil exists, and instead only care about the fame of the phantom thieves.
Honestly, in my interpretation of this ending, Joker is just getting revenge back at society for ruining his life. I highly doubt you can get a job anywhere if you've been on probation once.
@@snowykitten6860 I have, but that's not my point. My point is that him being on probation will show up on his record no matter where he goes which can highly damage his chances of making a career/getting a job
@@khankorpofficial And then they woke up and realized "maybe we _don't_ want this after all", which would've been what happened had Yaldabaoth not rigged the game. And yeah, he rigged the game. Why else would people go from blindly idolizing the Phantom Thieves to immediately blindly idolizing Shido, even after his crimes went public? He brainwashed them, because in the end, he's a coward.
Sojiro: Don't go getting dragged into trouble. Joker: You clearly don’t know who you’re talking to so let me clue you in. I am not in trouble, Sojiro. I am the trouble.
Don't feel bad. I told Sae what my friends names were. But I try to counter that argument by saying it's an alternate game over screen since if you fail to steal the treasure in time you get Akechi killing you anyway.
@@coffekat1519 I just went back on my save file and tried again. Also, It was my first persona game and I don't like watching persona gameplay because I just find watching other people play persona boring.
I remember getting confused by igors use of words on his deal offer and i almost accepted it if it wasnt for the second message asking if it was the right option
Just finished this game and got the “good” ending. This is my breakdown of this one: So in this ending, Joker basically becomes Akechi. However, instead of plotting to take his revenge out on his father, he takes it out on the world. Ann, Ryuji, Yusuke, Makoto, Futaba, and Haru are all eternally trapped in the Velvet Room because they’ve all submitted to the detrimental flow of society. They all are now the slaves they wanted to free in Mementos. They are most likely a memory as the world was restored without them. This is hinted as Sojiro insinuates that he doesn’t know Joker is a Phantom Thief. Morgana gets his memories back, and realizes he failed his mission from the true Igor. Lavenza also can’t help but watch as her rehabilitation has failed in Joker. Society still elects Shido, however it is all for naught as the only Phantom Thief remaining takes on the nation as the sole figure of justice. He has truly achieved global influence. I wish this ending lasted longer. It would definitely give off more ominous vibes if it was shown that Joker’s friends are hopeless in this situation.
I like Persona bad endings, like in Persona 3 for example, they might seem ok to some people or without context, but if you analize the situation, it is a horrible ending
@@ComicWriter-ml3qt in "good" ending MC gets a fate far worse than death. The game, every social link you've done makes no sence as you just die and your soul suffers for eternity
Now that I look back at this ending I think it would've been cool if Ren had went back to the velvet room to see his friends captured and them upset their leader, friend turned on them for his own self benefit, everyone yelling at him, but he turns around and laughs manically as he walks away
A bad ending done well. Think about it, you fell into yalbadoth's schemes. You become a corrupt figure yourself. Was surprised they didn't add DLC where his teamates have to fight shadow joker
Lol my Joker’s last name is Griffith because I noticed how similar they looked. Give Joker long white hair and blue eyes, they’d be practically identical. I bought the game two weeks ago and I already have 109 hrs invested in it! Best game I’ve played in a loooong time.
FBI Alypstick Why would he reduce human thought to primal violence when the entire point of his mission was to subjugate humans to his will? No point of enslaving mankind if they're too busy killing each other to worship him.
People who think "Aha! This ending exists to show the difference between people who 'really appreciated' the game and people who just want a power-trip" have missed the entire point of how this game differs from 3 and 4. All those bosses you fought, even Kaneshiro, (along the lines of criminals at least) were normal and well-behaved... right up until they weren't. In each case, the palace owner found themselves in a position of authority that they could truly abuse to their own benefit and to the detriment of those around them. (Yes, even Kaneshiro's behavior marks a departure from criminal norms.) Why should Joker be so different, so pure, that his succumbing to this temptation should be viewed as at odds with his behavior? In this game, it's possible to be a criminal, a condescending jerk, a philanderer and a leech upon your benefactor (Sojiro) but this, this, is too far to bear consideration?
pretty fitting, he has been pressed down by so many, enemies and allies (the people in the velvet room) why shouldn't he get a choice that will save him some trouble
He's still essentially a murderer in this ending...while wiping away existence of literally every teammate he had. Let's not equates this in anyway to anybody else in the game lol.
@Pokenonfan20 they can but only if their palace formed fist like with what happened in the pyramid palace and lab palace. If their persona awakened first then they can't have a palace
@@ThatOneGuy-qw1xx you have to get to the third semester and complete the route to (spoiler)’s treasure. Then you go to Mementos and you can find her there.
You cut the adventure by killing god and showing your justice, as a hero. Or you stay too long, full of distorted desires, and see yourself become a villain.
This ending frustrates me. I either like it or hate it based on an unknown variable. What happened to the rest of the Phantom Thieves? There is evidence to support four different scenarios. 1) The rest of the Phantom Thieves are all alive and functioning. It's called "Good Ending" in the game files. It appears he stays in the city, too. If this is the case, I think I may like this ending better. 2) The rest of the Phantom Thieves are alive, but have lost their will to fight. If Joker never speaks to them, they lose their ability to use their persona. With Joker accepting this deal, he is the lone member of the Phantom Thieves. I doubt he'd be able to convince them after accepting a deal like that. If this is the case, this ending is very neutral and I don't really hate it. It would mean his friends would eventually prefer to be controlled though. 3) The rest of the Phantom Thieves died in the velvet room, and everyone forgot they existed because of their cognition. This would be bitter, and I would now hate this ending. 4) Joker left everyone to die in the Velvet Room. This can now not be considered a good ending at all.
Well we don't really get to see the other members of the phantoms thieves so we can only assume the world had a "soft reset". The phantom thieves are stuck in the velvet room for ever, with no one even knowing their existence (when it comes to their true identities) as we lack characters like sae being present after the deal and sojiro being oblivious to the other members existence. But my most solid evidence this more of a bad ending is the fact that at the credits we hear the mementos theme just going on. I feel like this confirms how the world is fated to be imprisoned with the lack if proper choice and freedom. Although room for interpretation is welcome, I just feel like the worse side of the ending is more prominent.
@@dragonslayer060 Nobody knows Futaba or Makoto at all since their in "jail", dead It's really really bad plus the mementos theme starts kicking in as a sign that u choose the bad ending
@@tandues_orbis3182 A bit late, but remember how Yaldabaoth said the world would be recreated should Joker accept the deal? Even in this ending Sojiro acts more like how he acted around the beginning of the game, so a reset is likely.
@@grbrg4007 That makes a lot of sense. Maybe the other thantom thieves are alive then but have no recollection of being phantom thieves nor knowing one another. Seems like Joker is the only one being a thantom thief
I have to wonder why Yaldabaoth called this a "deal" when all bothered saying was what he'd do if Joker agreed I'm hoping all he wanted or expected in exchange was for the Phantom thieves/Joker to NOT tear through mementos and try to steal the treasure again
"Yeah, sorry Lavenza... Maybe if your bitch half didn't kick the crap out of me every time I tried to walk into the Velvet Room, things would have ended differently!"
I love this ending because Joker clearly loves playing into the role of being a thief and fighting shadows so he just gives up on humanity to continue doing what he loves
joker has two potential sides - the righteous and the selfish one. and the player can chose which one fits more. i think they're both portrayed brilliantly, although the good ending is significantly more generic for my old ass
I think this ending is quite scary because Joker accepts Igor's deal, Lavenza felt betrayed, his friends trapped in the Velvet Room forever and people stopped thinking for themselves and be guided by an evil god. It just makes me feel that I want to cry and regretted if I choose this bad ending.
I love Persona for all the small things. Like putting Credits after this to implie it ends like that instead of a game over, since everyone probably just did load i dont think someone did go "yep thats the end next game"
This kinda sucks. Not because you pick the wrong choice but the fact that it's only MC point of view. I would love to the reaction of the other members of the Phantom thieves and see how they react, if they know at all. Following a leader that damned mankind from free will. And to be perfectly honest, this isn't a bad deal. Everyone see you as heros, the cop are off your tail, and anyone stand a chance against you aka Pancake Boi is probably dead. Plus, crime and suicide rates are dropping and what cost, "free will" like anyone was using it anyway. But that my opinion, please prove me wrong. I like to hear your opinion.
Debutt Something definitely pretty bad if your friends are dead but really besides that it really wasn’t that bad of a deal. Besides the implied death of team everything is going really good. Ren probably has to do a lot of work. And if your teammates are alive this might make them hate you but atleast your confidants wont know the difference. Really it’s painted as a bad ending but a lot of good things happen. This is a well written “bad” end.
Lavenza….don’t act like you’re so innocent, your halves hit and beat him at times in his metaverse prison, causing more nihilism to exist in his heart, along with everything happening in the outside world. I wouldn’t blame him if he let the world tear itself apart back to ruin.
That was my first ending in Persona 5. Actually I thought False Igor will bring back my friends because he said that Phantom Thieves will gain fame. So, I decided to deal with Igor to bring them back. I didn't care about society being trapped because it its own fault in being irresponsible, ignorant and trapped in their desires. That's why Yaldabaoth appeared. He just granted them what they wanted. That's why I didn't care that False Igor will be controlling them. As I said, the goal of this for me was just bring my friends back. However, seeing Joker without them and with this evil smile gives me a dissonance. It seems False God got me. P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native language
They have a Law ending and a Bad ending now all they need is a Chaos ending instead of the Neutral true ending we got (or is it the other way around? Would Joker and the PTs killing Yaldabaoth to free humanity from it’s clutches count as Chaos?) I’m counting on Royal to give us a bunch of great story extensions that’ll satisfy me and the whole fanbase.
The TRUE ending, in my opinion. The Phantom Thieves were never heroes, they were criminals, vigilantes who forced people to abbandon their personalities and beliefs by "stealing their hearts". Your teammates have suffered, that's true, but that is no excuse to abuse and pervert the humanity of others, even if they are criminals themselves. The Main Character is no different. And now, at the end of the game, you suddenly change and want to become some kind of Liberator, a Hero ? Nah... Joker, a true Trickester would have taken the deal.
True. I like this ending of course the TRUE ending in my opinion is still the best and gives a great meaning. But this ending is not that possible from actually happening. Joker and throughout his journey could have had a "Change of heart"
Aaron Page a heavy cost... Akechi is dead and Akira becomes the new champion of the false god, condemning humans to be sealed forever in their prison. It's heavy enough, I think (sorry for my poor english :P )
I agree. I wanted to see the world in a very dark state, yet the people still look up to the phantom thieves with numerous reports citing crime is down yet the world becomes much darker. Maybe even your character indulges more into the greed and power of it all. Now that all would make a great evil ending
alex dem Akechi being dead isn't really a bad thing, especially since he murdered hundreds of people, not to mention him canonically dying doesn't really effect the story. And humans being trapped in their own cognitive prison is a bad thing? At the end of the game people are still the same as they were before. As if the phantom thieves hadn't just saved their asses from eternal enslavement. That's what I didn't understand about this game,despite me liking it. Is that humans don't think for themselves even when the Holy Grail was defeated. Nothing truly changed. It was pretty anticlimactic in either ending in my opinion. Tbh I think humans would be better off not having free will, especially seeing as how most of the game was about the corruption of humans from the start.
The heavy cost is that all extrem bad twiste desires still exist and are nurrishing a god how forsakes humankind. And that you let exist, just so that you can implement yourself as a hero to society and hunt some of them down.
I love that this game isn't about good against evil, it's about law against freedom. Both are essential, but it's easy for one of them to take over by making the law to strict or the freedom to great.
@@Whisper71 actually taking a better look at the game it never really saw it denounce freedom just authority. Every palace was someone expressing authority over everyone else with not really much else to go by It would also makes sense with its influence and relevancy as it takes inspiration from Jungian psychology and Alberto Camus the Rebel. In the psychology standpoint it is in the individual perspective so to say they want freedom it is often their collective wants freedom, no other concern. For The Rebel it would dictate freedom is an abstract ideal to mean all our actions are nullified due to how dying would make those action inevitably meaningless therefore freedom to do anything with no long-term consequence as we are distracting ourselves until we death The relevancy is in Japan the ideal to have too much freedom would be a wet dream. I mean they ain’t exactly expecting more freedom to be a bad thing
In chaos there is freedom In law there is order But the more law there is the less freedom there is. The more chaos the less order. Society without rules is anarchy Society with excessive rules is tyranny. Neither of which are survivable by most. How much safety will you give up for freedom? How much freedom will you give up for safety? Those are the questions you need to ask yourself before you support any kind of society.
At 5:35 the businessman in Shibuya is, I'm pretty certain, voiced by David Lodge. He is the voice of fake Igor in this game, but he also voiced Jeralt in Fire Emblem Three Houses. The businessman is literally him doing his Jeralt voice. They sound identical.
scuffedlet well if you think abt it it’s actually the end for the phantom thrives they don’t get to live on as there trapped in prison and fin is when they made the great out of the ending just like how movies are left off with fin bc how amazing the plot was basically but for now this route is where there story really ended for the phantom thieves...
Joker: Are you seriously expecting a yes? The creepy floating, dark fog, glowing eyes, calling you a cup a god, wtf. As long as their is a way to stop your bullshit than fine. Just one more thing, I can always get anything or anyone I want free of charge now.
Joker: ( Smirks then walks away. Joker is thinking) Tired of this world's bullshit. I promised myself given the chance I would go down swinging my fist back and forward at the world. When society is a fuck and you don't experience their endless love, you will burn down the world just to feel it's warmth.
Kinda sad that after all the Phantom Thieves had done to prevent these people from stepping across the line is just ruined with words. I guess words really are sharp. :c
You switch perspective to another Phantom Thief (I'd say Mona) kinda like The Answer and go through Joker's palace and take away his ability to use personas.
So question for everyone If someone you knew for a long time turned out to be super evil and give you a deal like “You will become rich and famous” Would you accept that offer or go and defeat that someone
Humanity is now forever trapped in Mementos, so that ain’t too good, also Morgana isn’t with you anymore so it leads me to believe that you are the sole remaining Phantom Thief
I like this ending. Happy endings is too much cliche in this day and age. So many JRPG's out there that always end with the main characters all alive and celebrating their victory in the ending. It's good to see when a game gives you a option to choose to side with the dark side for your own personal gain. And compared to games like Shin Megami Tensei series, this ending is actually pretty good as a Law ending.
same i feel like persona 4 would've had a way bigger impact if like PERSONA 4 SPOILER BELOW!!!! nanako actually died and didn't explain everything away by like "gods fault again oops g"uys!!!!!
I also think nanako should have just died. Don't get me wrong i do care about her, but i laughed when "she came around" I think it would've been better for her to fake out die for every ending instead of just the one you throw the guy into the TV, then we could see the cast regret their rash choice.
Because it actually is a reasonable ending. It also makes sense if you think about it. throughout joker's journey with the phantom thieves and through the horrible and traumatic experiences he has seen in those palaces, it wouldn't be far fetched from this happening. He is the "Trickster" and he might have had a "Change o heart"
I had a hunch rejecting the offer would net me the good ending, but I had a save file so I could afford to make the wrong choice. I kinda thought that accepting the offer and restoring the world would give us the chance to regroup, strategize, and succeed in taking down yaldaboath, but I guess I was wrong
All players who accepeted Igor's deal just wanted to finish the game sooner. It's impossible they would miss the point of the game after what happened in Mementos Edit: And I can relate to them cause it's so fucking hard
>you've been betrayed by the society two times in a row >the game constantly makes choices for you, like accepting Makoto in your party who's been a huge cunt ever since. Even Ryuji says "well, you can't do anything now since she knows everything" in the what's up chat. Yusuke also agrees when you call her a b- "whitch". >basically, all your allies been talking only about the Phantom Thieves stuff throught the whole game, and nothing else, even among themselves. You don't even get the chance to know them better if you don't social link them. Even if you do - there is still no team spirit like in P3-4, you just bound together by fate, which was rigged by Jaldy from the very beginning. >after you make the "right" choice and defeat the final boss- once again, the game makes you accept Sae's deal and the fact that all the good deeds from the Phantom Thives would be written off as a police doing their job >the society doesn't change one bit even though the game says it does. Ichiko (somehow becoming the "worst girl" by the vocal majority) ends up being the only person who actually saves you from jail instead of the girl who had given the false charges against you, even though she is considred to be part of the "society" which is supposed to be changed by now and thus it should've been her who had spoken the truth without Ichiko finding her, yet she ends up doing nothing without the pressure >people actually believe it was all the police doing. Not before the credits, nor after them anything shows that people still believe in the Phantom Thives >This is literally THE ONLY time the game is actually giving you the oportunity to make a choice that will effect your fate >THE ONLY moment where you are given a chance to show your free will, instead of doing the "right thing" >"Y-you just don't get the point of the game((( I-it's about the free will((" Those who believe this is the "bad" ending are the only ones who don't get the idea about the "free will" itself, since they are being easily swayed by their own self-righteousness. Pathetic. Also, the game does a very poor job at explaining how the free will is achived and how you break the chains of whatever holds you back, given all the facts I've written above. it's rather sad we've come to this point. Those series used to have a far deeper and complex plot, yet made it meaningfull.
No, I disagree. First off, the whole free will, isn't something that be defined. It's called f r e e will. Your definition of free will be different from mine. Being self-righteous is not what these people are doing. It's called having a opinion. All of that up there? A o p i n i o n. People's minds are different, people have different senses of morality.
I agree with everything you said. As much as I love this game, the lack of player agency and self-righteous posturing really started to get on my nerves towards the end. This ending was like a breath of fresh air.
3:54 Too bad there was no way of showing to joker that this is a bad deal. What's that? PQ2 showed this? He witnesses this first hand and he chose this? Why!? Did they erase the Persona users' memories? they did? Ok. It looks like Joker made a good deal after all.
It’s the same as persona 4 where the bad ending credits is the same as the final dungeon theme and this applies even if u get the bad ending before the final dungeon for either game
...I'll betcha this is what Royal's plot is based on. We *can't* beat Yaldabaoth on our first go around, so we have to go deeper. And yeah, that'll include pulling Akechi in onto our side.
In terms if heart break, this one isn't as bad as Persona 4's bad ending, and it STILL makes me cry. However, in the grand scheme of things, this ending fucks everyone over far more than P4's did if I remember correctly.
So the Trickster can undone Igor's (and therefore, Philemon's) wishes. Well, there's no doubt he can trick and defy fate. PD: Lavenza's expression. I couldn't take this ending because of that. :'(
This scenario is a good prequel for Persona 6, Joker could be be the Main Villain in the next game and the new Protag will rescue his former team mates in the final boss
I don't understand this ending; what happened? so he accepted igors deal, so now humanity is being controlled by that God yes? Joker gets his fame and that, but what happened to the other Phantom Thieves? Why are people committing crimes? What's Joker doing after he accepted the deal with Igor? I need these answered! I have no clue what this ending means!
Sanser Just from seeing this ending for the first time, the other Phantom Thieves remain trapped in the Velvet Room prisons, people are committing crimes under the influence of Yaldabaoth, and Joker's changing their hearts to feel needed and keep living on as a Phantom Thief.
I wish I can choose this deal But I was playin on work night and this had tp finish the game as quickly lol. Theres no way I'm repeating those cutscenes the next day.
Welp no one saw that coming Ren betrays his teammates And now they’re locked up in the velvet room for all eternity While he got revenge on the world for mistreating him so essentially he became akechi and could solo palaces to murder people and enter momentos to murder shadows...that’s a hella dark ending and sad
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HE DID THE ADJUST-GLASSES ANIME THING LOL
He activated his trapcard
ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN
Glasses are evil!
@@ratoh1710 villains in glasses related to shiroe from log horizon
@@user-my7lk9yn8v ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU
The credit music that plays in this ending is the same for the mementos prison, as now all of humanity is now eternally trapped in it
Twix boi if you sellout
Reminds of how (spoilers persona 4)
they play the izanami dungeon music for the bad ending of persona 4
Well at least everyone gets to listen to some head bopping jazz 24/7
The real punishment is the face of Lavenza being betrayed
The real punishment is the ages it takes to get back here, because cutscene, fake battle, cutscene, fake battle, cutscene...
that's true so heartbreaking
Nah
@@djoshawott2850 well theres a button that skips the cutseanes though.
Fuck Lavenza, two lolis is better than one.
"I'm gonna make these two people fight but if the one I don't like wins I'll cheat and just kill him."
That is indeed the plot of persona 5 yes
“Oh shit it’s satan time to die now”
Nyarlathotep be like
Plus he gave akechi a two-year head start lol
additionally this is the same plot as persona 2 innocent sin
I feel bad for the guy who had to go through this entire game and beat all 7 palaces just to choose the wrong option...
Chidori Persona 4 is freaking impossible to find for a good price. Plus it was on PS2 so it’s OBVIOUSLY expensive.
Jun Hyung Lee I’m not really a PC guy. I prefer to play a game on its original console with the original disc/cartridge.
@@katchereye Sure you could do that. Or you could play it on PC with high-res and convenience. Just saying.
FLoop My PC sucks so I prefer Console games. It’s the best way to experience the game the way it was originally supposed to be played.
@@katchereye Your wallet wouldn't agree with you.
You see that’s where the trouble began that smile. that Damn smile
He got a cute smile tho- just not that one...
I'd like your comment, but I don't wanna ruin the number.
(666 at the time)
Sojiro: "Don't go getting dragged into trouble."
Joker: *"Trouble is my middle name."*
Ren T. Amamiya it is.
"I thought it was Lesley."
i AM the danger
Joker was accepting victory like he was light yagami killing all evil in the world and becoming a god.
I say Joker is basically Griffith in this ending
Yes that's badass. Playing always the good guys gets pretty boring
A kira
I've always thought Akechi was Light Yagami, down to the looks
Huh that's funny I named my character light yagami when playing through p5 had no idea how many similarities to death note there would be
All the people who keep saying "ya know, the deal wasn't so bad" even though it was at the cost of free will shows how they completely missed the point of the game
That and all your friends being dead.
pinglefingle I actually think they are alive just corrupted and seeking fame (like they originally did) I mean I don't think Joker can solo a palace(multiple actually since the whole police force had a change of heart)
You see Atlas understood what they were doing perfectly.
All of the people who accepted this ending as okay and fine judged it in a selfish way
Ofcourse they know what happened to their friends, so do selfish criminals and people who after harming their friends to achieve their own personal goals(they might regret harming them after, but not during gaming them.)
Atlas knew this way of thinking and perceiving and applied it amazingly in Persona 5 and I loved it a lot.
Now just because you think the bad or alternate ending is OK I'm not trying to target you.
I think that ending is messed up and if you want to talk about it with me.
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@@killerg4402 It's likely they didn't have their own palaces, but simply their own shadows in Mementos.
The point of the game really is kinda not well thought out anyway. The point that changes of hearts are at best morally ambigous and at worst morally inacceptible isn't covered enough in the game at all. The phantom thieves are still considered heroes for completely changing persons without any repercussions because it's "for the better". It's one thing I hate about the story of this game.
I love when Igor reveals he's actually the god of destruction and his confidant maxes out
Hell, when akechi wanted to kill us our confidant raises to level 8
@@akhtarjaviero3627 “to be honest, i hate you.” *RANK UP!*
Akechi shot up a dude to death and it was counted as you knowing him better lol.
Makes sense considering he took you for a FOOL
When he sacrificed himself I got him to max confidant rank if that changed anything I would like to know
A great bad ending. Akira betrays everyone and sacrifices them all for a chance to go on living his own life, warped by the God of Control. Even Lavenza had no idea Akira would actually agree. You even outsmarted Igor
Alll of his friends are dead and nobody even knows who they were. That evil smirk at the end was fantastic too
Dead? That would be merciful. They're all captured in the velvet room for eternity.
What does that smile at the end means? I didn't understand it
Mouad El Moujaddidi It’s pride for what he did: he got back at society for the hell it put him through, and did so in a very Trickster way
@@mouadelmoujaddidi6580 he accepted this reality
Idk if they're all dead though. Wouldn't Sojiro act completely different if futaba had actually died?
Why did I die from fear and laughter when Igor started levitating?
igor is gru
@@Iloveturkiye-mp5ee Igru
Mr. Burns X Gru = Igor
ascending SpongeBob
Yo same.
I feel like there was some untapped potential for angst and sadness for picking this ending. Maybe you could've seen all the Phantom theives and other friends be the only ones to realize Akira's/Ren's corruption and despise him or maybe see how the world isn't real and Akira/Ren is just trapped inside a palace. Would've been cool as fuck
The way I see it, the other Phantom Thieves are alive, but have become the worst case scenario: Despots who change the hearts of not just criminals, but ANYONE who dares to oppose them or stand out of line.
Just like Yaldaboth himself.
Benjamin Peterson My thoughts exactly.
@@benjaminpeterson455 they are not. The others never existed in the cognition of general public, thus they aren't alive. The onlyone who knows they existed at all is Ren. Simple logic
i think it said in game that persona users can't have a palace, buuuut.. i'd happily ignore that because that WOULD'VE been cool af and i rly wish they'd gone that route with this ending now that i read this comment D: D:
@@benjaminpeterson455 and the initial Mishima? (Before you negotiate with the shadow)
Mishima: “Was this really what they wanted the whole time? Heh, I suppose they are _thieves_ after all”
A"kira"
He longs for a simple quiet life.
@@snomwommy9713
JoJo reference... But I think it was more of a Death note Reference.
Killer Queen daisan no bakudan BITES ZA DUSTO
Kira the God of death
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It would have been awesome for the phantom thieves have to fight joker and you still be controlling joker so if you win the ending is carried through and if you lose you die and the phantom thieves have to kill Igor
That would be incredible. You could even have "Igor?" as a party member, and the end of the fight may look different depending on who you kill last.
That would be amazing
Keep in mind that at this point the Phantom Thieves had given up hope. You find them imprisoned and they're not upset about it. They're in their casual attire, implying they had lost their rebellious spirit. Joker's deal is the very last hope.
Keep in mind that at this point the Phantom Thieves had given up hope. You find them imprisoned and they're not upset about it. They're in their casual attire, implying they had lost their rebellious spirit. Joker's deal is the very last hope.
with the PC version here, a mod version of that may actually be doable
Fake Igor: Join me, trickster
Lavenza: he would never
*Last Surprise starts playing background*
69 likes. I won't touch it. But, I've come to give you acknowledgement
*YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT COMINNNN'*
@@Bigpep69420 i am here to remind u that u can like it now
@@ofwfgkta I'm on it my guy
We gotta turn this exact rendition into a video with AI voices
I love his evile smirk.
You see that’s where the trouble began. That smile. That Damn smile
Kacj Aioig
I was gonna say that shIT
This ending is just like Corpse Party, only Joker survived and his friends were being abandon left to die in Velvet Room. And I bet Sojiro will say who is Futaba? She doesn't exist at all. The same goes for those who were related to from Ryuji to Haru, as if they wasn't exist to begin with. In the end Joker has become corrupted person with that damned evil smile, showing that he is a completely a changed evil man. Welp I can't say I am correct lol.
I'd assume he wouldn't and couldn't work alone. Everything was made as was before.
@@phones961O2 sad thing is he could with his Sataneal
phones961O2 Akechi did everything by himself as well and Joker is just as strong if not stronger by the end of the game. Plus, he has Yaldaboath on his side.
Dark meme he doesn’t awaken sataneal in this ending
But you can get sataneal at any time
What I like the most about this ending is that it is broad enough to be open to interpretation. Yes, I know the popular opinion is that Joker becomes "the very thing he sought to destroy" by "trading the free will of humanity for fame". However, that is not the only way to interpret the deal if you think about it.
Imagine that Joker believes that he really screwed up by entering an unwinnable fight, one that has claimed the lives of his teammates and damned humanity to the point of being nothing more than mindless drones in a world fused with the metaverse. He would do anything for a chance to undo his decision to "reform society", a goal that he no longer feels he can possibly accomplish given the scope of the problem. This deal essentially undoes all of the damage he feels his actions have caused, and while it condemns the public to be prisoners of their subconscious desires, it is not any different than the fate they would have been subject to anyway. I could see Joker accept this deal simply as an admission of defeat, acknowledging that this is the only way he feels that he can save humanity after throwing the world into chaos. Having the Phantom Thieves clear their names would just be seen as an added bonus.
Your nickname is Griffith isn't it?
Edit: Btw the only good thing about this ending is honoring the name 'Joker' in all manners and seeing society, riding with full speed to hell.
that's possible
another is that he simply, give up his justice, the world didn't want it to the point where his life became a hell, dus he sees he can't progress with such a childish mindset as doing good because it will help someone a little, because it may just cost him everything for to take such an action
I think you can also consider how Joker was forced into the role of trickster, as he begins the as functional rejected by society. Even if he does choose to fight against the God of Control he still has to turn himself in to implement change.
Considering how defeating the God of Control only allows the possibility of reform can Joker be blamed for not wanting to spend Christmas incarcerated?
an evil ren, huh? Interesting...
akira*
It’s because assuming akira would choose that, he would be selfish enough to not care for the state of all the people now knowing this greater evil exists, and instead only care about the fame of the phantom thieves.
Gabriel Hurtado it’s ren
@@ItsBocephus It's Akira in the manga, Ren in the anime. Manga came out first so I'll have to go with Akira.
Tyler Harris ren sounds better tbh. I know the manga came out first but the anime is more well known than the manga
Honestly, in my interpretation of this ending, Joker is just getting revenge back at society for ruining his life. I highly doubt you can get a job anywhere if you've been on probation once.
Have you seen the true ending?
Spoilers:
Cause like... jokers a total free man in that ending lol
@@snowykitten6860 I have, but that's not my point. My point is that him being on probation will show up on his record no matter where he goes which can highly damage his chances of making a career/getting a job
@@Durabele part time jobs
Yeah, it is tough for people with criminal records to get jobs. Even if the felonies aren't serious or were long ago.
@@crispyfour9052 Some countries might clear juvenile criminal records when they become adults I think.
Glad I didn't choose this ending but was curious after I beat the game to see what happened if I accepted his offer. So I found this video
Same here. Didnt wanna doom my little npc babies by soft resetting like in undertale
Yeh the team's would be dead inside the jail room
@@azketchup345 so if u pick I refuse you get the true ending?
@@Scorpionndagoat yup, i googled before so i could start new game plus with good stuff and a clear concience
Lmao i love how there's little to no difference between the masses with free will and the masses without
The masses seem dependent on the phantom thieves to fix everything, they are still not thinking for themselves
I mean it was the free will of the masses that decided to make the wish to be Control in the first place
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh It's almost like they wanted this
@@khankorpofficial
And then they woke up and realized "maybe we _don't_ want this after all", which would've been what happened had Yaldabaoth not rigged the game.
And yeah, he rigged the game. Why else would people go from blindly idolizing the Phantom Thieves to immediately blindly idolizing Shido, even after his crimes went public? He brainwashed them, because in the end, he's a coward.
Gotta love the calming music over the trafficing children organs though
Yeah, they did a good job of hammering in that you were a piece of shit
Sojiro: Don't go getting dragged into trouble.
Joker: You clearly don’t know who you’re talking to so let me clue you in. I am not in trouble, Sojiro. I am the trouble.
I clicked the "accept offer" ption thinking it was the good ending lol
Was this your first persona game😂
Don't feel bad. I told Sae what my friends names were. But I try to counter that argument by saying it's an alternate game over screen since if you fail to steal the treasure in time you get Akechi killing you anyway.
@Zachary Erickson I thought it was testing me.
Your vision is surrounding by fog, u need to take persona games's meaning seriusly in order to actually beat them without guide
@@coffekat1519 I just went back on my save file and tried again. Also, It was my first persona game and I don't like watching persona gameplay because I just find watching other people play persona boring.
I remember getting confused by igors use of words on his deal offer and i almost accepted it if it wasnt for the second message asking if it was the right option
me too💀
Just finished this game and got the “good” ending. This is my breakdown of this one:
So in this ending, Joker basically becomes Akechi. However, instead of plotting to take his revenge out on his father, he takes it out on the world.
Ann, Ryuji, Yusuke, Makoto, Futaba, and Haru are all eternally trapped in the Velvet Room because they’ve all submitted to the detrimental flow of society. They all are now the slaves they wanted to free in Mementos. They are most likely a memory as the world was restored without them. This is hinted as Sojiro insinuates that he doesn’t know Joker is a Phantom Thief.
Morgana gets his memories back, and realizes he failed his mission from the true Igor. Lavenza also can’t help but watch as her rehabilitation has failed in Joker.
Society still elects Shido, however it is all for naught as the only Phantom Thief remaining takes on the nation as the sole figure of justice. He has truly achieved global influence.
I wish this ending lasted longer. It would definitely give off more ominous vibes if it was shown that Joker’s friends are hopeless in this situation.
I don’t think they are trapped. Otherwise how would Joker be able to pull off multiple heists on his own?
@@DBrealmadrid9606 Akechi had no problems traversing mementos and butchering Shadows all on his own
@@debilman9065 But as the story presented, Akechi is vastly more powerful than Mister J.
@@DBrealmadrid9606 Joker embraced his hate in this ending though, maybe he got a powerful inverse persona like akechi did
@@DBrealmadrid9606 Joker's skilled enough to solo palaces. Both in-game and lore-wise. Especially if we're talking about NG+ Joker
I like Persona bad endings, like in Persona 3 for example, they might seem ok to some people or without context, but if you analize the situation, it is a horrible ending
tbh i prefer P3's bad ending to the "good" one where MC gets a fate worse than death
@@samir.xanmuradov what happens
@@ComicWriter-ml3qt in "good" ending MC gets a fate far worse than death. The game, every social link you've done makes no sence as you just die and your soul suffers for eternity
All the social links make senses, is because that connections that Makoto decide be the great seal
@@Luis-wf9ws what is the point of maxing the social links if you don't get a happy ending with those people
Now that I look back at this ending I think it would've been cool if Ren had went back to the velvet room to see his friends captured and them upset their leader, friend turned on them for his own self benefit, everyone yelling at him, but he turns around and laughs manically as he walks away
In this ending Joker gives huge middle finger to society and I love it!
A bad ending done well.
Think about it, you fell into yalbadoth's schemes. You become a corrupt figure yourself.
Was surprised they didn't add DLC where his teamates have to fight shadow joker
"Persona 5: The Answer"
@@drybrucke1 No god please no
Shadow joker was killed by Akechi
@@pyroflare7774 That was Sae's cognition of Joker, that has nothing to do with his actual shadow.
@@drybrucke1 what's that? search engines just give me garbage trying to find it
Akira is basically Griffith in this ending.
FBI Alypstick
Why would he do that?
Lol my Joker’s last name is Griffith because I noticed how similar they looked. Give Joker long white hair and blue eyes, they’d be practically identical. I bought the game two weeks ago and I already have 109 hrs invested in it! Best game I’ve played in a loooong time.
FBI Alypstick
Why would he reduce human thought to primal violence when the entire point of his mission was to subjugate humans to his will? No point of enslaving mankind if they're too busy killing each other to worship him.
and then Ryuji somehow escape from the Velvet room and goes full Guts to Joker...
man I would pay to see that shit...
@@Ocean_Lord_derpfish and Makoto as Casca? lol...
People who think "Aha! This ending exists to show the difference between people who 'really appreciated' the game and people who just want a power-trip" have missed the entire point of how this game differs from 3 and 4.
All those bosses you fought, even Kaneshiro, (along the lines of criminals at least) were normal and well-behaved... right up until they weren't. In each case, the palace owner found themselves in a position of authority that they could truly abuse to their own benefit and to the detriment of those around them. (Yes, even Kaneshiro's behavior marks a departure from criminal norms.) Why should Joker be so different, so pure, that his succumbing to this temptation should be viewed as at odds with his behavior? In this game, it's possible to be a criminal, a condescending jerk, a philanderer and a leech upon your benefactor (Sojiro) but this, this, is too far to bear consideration?
pretty fitting, he has been pressed down by so many, enemies and allies (the people in the velvet room)
why shouldn't he get a choice that will save him some trouble
He's still essentially a murderer in this ending...while wiping away existence of literally every teammate he had.
Let's not equates this in anyway to anybody else in the game lol.
Well yea revolution just means a cycle you have not reformed anything you just replaced who’s on top
bro opened a thesaurus and thought my he made a point💀💀
@@alleislazy6850Tell us you cant read without telling us you cant read
it wouldve been so sick if akira developed a palace bc of this
playing as another one of the thieves to undo his palace too
Persona users can’t have palaces
@Pokenonfan20 did you unlock the final palace of royal
@@mquezda6256 yea but his is artificial
@Pokenonfan20 they can but only if their palace formed fist like with what happened in the pyramid palace and lab palace. If their persona awakened first then they can't have a palace
I picked this option as a joke thinking "there's no way anythings gonna happen. Lavenza is just gonna talk me outta it anyways."
Boy! Was i wrong.
I love how Lavenza gives him the "?!" that vividly makes a sound in your head
you basically hear her heart dropping like a stone
Suprized Levenza didn't all-out-attack Joker considering she curb stomped me at least 20 times in her hidden boss battle
wait how do u get it
@@ThatOneGuy-qw1xx you have to get to the third semester and complete the route to (spoiler)’s treasure. Then you go to Mementos and you can find her there.
@@wesleygriffiths8748Thank you very much
@@wesleygriffiths8748 you can just say Dr Maruki
@@boganborn just mark it as a spoiler, for consideration of others.
You cut the adventure by killing god and showing your justice, as a hero.
Or you stay too long, full of distorted desires, and see yourself become a villain.
I choose "God wins" option. Thank you, good night.
@@TangensROHNyx and Izanami: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
This ending frustrates me. I either like it or hate it based on an unknown variable. What happened to the rest of the Phantom Thieves? There is evidence to support four different scenarios.
1) The rest of the Phantom Thieves are all alive and functioning. It's called "Good Ending" in the game files. It appears he stays in the city, too. If this is the case, I think I may like this ending better.
2) The rest of the Phantom Thieves are alive, but have lost their will to fight. If Joker never speaks to them, they lose their ability to use their persona. With Joker accepting this deal, he is the lone member of the Phantom Thieves. I doubt he'd be able to convince them after accepting a deal like that. If this is the case, this ending is very neutral and I don't really hate it. It would mean his friends would eventually prefer to be controlled though.
3) The rest of the Phantom Thieves died in the velvet room, and everyone forgot they existed because of their cognition. This would be bitter, and I would now hate this ending.
4) Joker left everyone to die in the Velvet Room. This can now not be considered a good ending at all.
Well we don't really get to see the other members of the phantoms thieves so we can only assume the world had a "soft reset". The phantom thieves are stuck in the velvet room for ever, with no one even knowing their existence (when it comes to their true identities) as we lack characters like sae being present after the deal and sojiro being oblivious to the other members existence. But my most solid evidence this more of a bad ending is the fact that at the credits we hear the mementos theme just going on. I feel like this confirms how the world is fated to be imprisoned with the lack if proper choice and freedom.
Although room for interpretation is welcome, I just feel like the worse side of the ending is more prominent.
@@dragonslayer060 Nobody knows Futaba or Makoto at all since their in "jail", dead
It's really really bad plus the mementos theme starts kicking in as a sign that u choose the bad ending
@@tandues_orbis3182 A bit late, but remember how Yaldabaoth said the world would be recreated should Joker accept the deal? Even in this ending Sojiro acts more like how he acted around the beginning of the game, so a reset is likely.
@@grbrg4007 That makes a lot of sense. Maybe the other thantom thieves are alive then but have no recollection of being phantom thieves nor knowing one another. Seems like Joker is the only one being a thantom thief
I have to wonder why Yaldabaoth called this a "deal" when all bothered saying was what he'd do if Joker agreed
I'm hoping all he wanted or expected in exchange was for the Phantom thieves/Joker to NOT tear through mementos and try to steal the treasure again
"Yeah, sorry Lavenza... Maybe if your bitch half didn't kick the crap out of me every time I tried to walk into the Velvet Room, things would have ended differently!"
I love this ending because Joker clearly loves playing into the role of being a thief and fighting shadows so he just gives up on humanity to continue doing what he loves
This game nailed the True Ending more than Royal, whereas Royal had a much more terrifying Bad Ending than the original did.
agreed
i dont see how maruki's ending worse than that ending tho
@@PaladineAvenger1 Maybe because its "badness" is way less obvious. It does a better job in decieving everyone, from characters to players.
joker has two potential sides - the righteous and the selfish one. and the player can chose which one fits more. i think they're both portrayed brilliantly, although the good ending is significantly more generic for my old ass
I think this ending is quite scary because Joker accepts Igor's deal, Lavenza felt betrayed, his friends trapped in the Velvet Room forever and people stopped thinking for themselves and be guided by an evil god. It just makes me feel that I want to cry and regretted if I choose this bad ending.
I love Persona for all the small things. Like putting Credits after this to implie it ends like that instead of a game over, since everyone probably just did load i dont think someone did go "yep thats the end next game"
I also love how they try to make you save over it for New Game Plus
This kinda sucks. Not because you pick the wrong choice but the fact that it's only MC point of view. I would love to the reaction of the other members of the Phantom thieves and see how they react, if they know at all. Following a leader that damned mankind from free will. And to be perfectly honest, this isn't a bad deal. Everyone see you as heros, the cop are off your tail, and anyone stand a chance against you aka Pancake Boi is probably dead. Plus, crime and suicide rates are dropping and what cost, "free will" like anyone was using it anyway. But that my opinion, please prove me wrong. I like to hear your opinion.
I'm pretty sure it's implied you left the other members to die in this ending.
luckymac2k that efff up, but I can see that happening, but yet again it doesn't say they die as well.
Debutt Something definitely pretty bad if your friends are dead but really besides that it really wasn’t that bad of a deal. Besides the implied death of team everything is going really good. Ren probably has to do a lot of work. And if your teammates are alive this might make them hate you but atleast your confidants wont know the difference. Really it’s painted as a bad ending but a lot of good things happen. This is a well written “bad” end.
mmm i love it when things get dark and you go solo :) tho realistically, this is a shit turn of events for the plot
You won the battle but lost the war. So to speak.
The world became his palace
Yeah, this ending is straight up plugging back into the matrix
We can make SMT game out of his if you ask me
Lavenza….don’t act like you’re so innocent, your halves hit and beat him at times in his metaverse prison, causing more nihilism to exist in his heart, along with everything happening in the outside world. I wouldn’t blame him if he let the world tear itself apart back to ruin.
Just remember that this is what Akechi wanted
no, it's what the Master wanted
what Akechi wanted was revenge
@@peynnep6483 Yeah Akechi isn't trying to reform society, but I don't think he'd let the fake Igor do what he wants like that
@@verdantmischief7092 Akechi wouldn't because he is probably the most rebellious of the group out of spire he wouldn't let him do it
@@peynnep6483 Akechi also wanted the fame for being Detective Prince,, not just revenge on Shido...
5:30 - you’re not fooling me false Igor. I know that’s your voice
That was my first ending in Persona 5. Actually I thought False Igor will bring back my friends because he said that Phantom Thieves will gain fame. So, I decided to deal with Igor to bring them back. I didn't care about society being trapped because it its own fault in being irresponsible, ignorant and trapped in their desires. That's why Yaldabaoth appeared. He just granted them what they wanted. That's why I didn't care that False Igor will be controlling them. As I said, the goal of this for me was just bring my friends back. However, seeing Joker without them and with this evil smile gives me a dissonance. It seems False God got me.
P.S. Sorry for my English, it's not my native language
Bros on his evil shit today💀💀💀
I was this close 🤏🏽 to picking the same options just for jokes but my instincts told me otherwise.
i picked the option but good thing it allows you to confirm because after seeing lavenza’s reaction, i chose the other option
They have a Law ending and a Bad ending now all they need is a Chaos ending instead of the Neutral true ending we got (or is it the other way around? Would Joker and the PTs killing Yaldabaoth to free humanity from it’s clutches count as Chaos?) I’m counting on Royal to give us a bunch of great story extensions that’ll satisfy me and the whole fanbase.
I assume the law ending had nothing change whatsoever while the chaos something actually was reformed
"Seeding control isn't the answer, because you'll never truly know if it cares about human life, about all human lives."
I love how the credits play the Mementos Depths theme, kinda like how the normal Good ending in p4 plays the Yomotsu Hirasaka theme in it’s credits
This ending is Joker pretty much becoming Light from Death Note
WOW
LOOKING COOL JOKER
The TRUE ending, in my opinion.
The Phantom Thieves were never heroes, they were criminals, vigilantes who forced people to abbandon their personalities and beliefs by "stealing their hearts".
Your teammates have suffered, that's true, but that is no excuse to abuse and pervert the humanity of others, even if they are criminals themselves. The Main Character is no different.
And now, at the end of the game, you suddenly change and want to become some kind of Liberator, a Hero ?
Nah... Joker, a true Trickester would have taken the deal.
True. I like this ending of course the TRUE ending in my opinion is still the best and gives a great meaning. But this ending is not that possible from actually happening. Joker and throughout his journey could have had a "Change of heart"
This guy gets it. Wish I could like the comment more than once
well...he kept his word, though I feel it's all anticlimatical, I expected a heavy cost at the end
Aaron Page a heavy cost... Akechi is dead and Akira becomes the new champion of the false god, condemning humans to be sealed forever in their prison. It's heavy enough, I think (sorry for my poor english :P )
I agree. I wanted to see the world in a very dark state, yet the people still look up to the phantom thieves with numerous reports citing crime is down yet the world becomes much darker. Maybe even your character indulges more into the greed and power of it all. Now that all would make a great evil ending
alex dem
Akechi being dead isn't really a bad thing, especially since he murdered hundreds of people, not to mention him canonically dying doesn't really effect the story. And humans being trapped in their own cognitive prison is a bad thing? At the end of the game people are still the same as they were before. As if the phantom thieves hadn't just saved their asses from eternal enslavement. That's what I didn't understand about this game,despite me liking it. Is that humans don't think for themselves even when the Holy Grail was defeated. Nothing truly changed. It was pretty anticlimactic in either ending in my opinion. Tbh I think humans would be better off not having free will, especially seeing as how most of the game was about the corruption of humans from the start.
The heavy cost is that all extrem bad twiste desires still exist and are nurrishing a god how forsakes humankind.
And that you let exist, just so that you can implement yourself as a hero to society and hunt some of them down.
And.....sacrifice ur friends as in nobody knows them anymore
I love that this game isn't about good against evil, it's about law against freedom. Both are essential, but it's easy for one of them to take over by making the law to strict or the freedom to great.
I saw it as an allegory for rebellion. This ending shows that Joker revolted against society only to replace its ruler, thereby not changing a thing
@@nathanielgarza9198 yeah, you're right to, but there's still this conflict
@@nathanielgarza9198 holy shit that’s a good take on the ending
@@Whisper71 actually taking a better look at the game it never really saw it denounce freedom just authority.
Every palace was someone expressing authority over everyone else with not really much else to go by
It would also makes sense with its influence and relevancy as it takes inspiration from Jungian psychology and Alberto Camus the Rebel. In the psychology standpoint it is in the individual perspective so to say they want freedom it is often their collective wants freedom, no other concern.
For The Rebel it would dictate freedom is an abstract ideal to mean all our actions are nullified due to how dying would make those action inevitably meaningless therefore freedom to do anything with no long-term consequence as we are distracting ourselves until we death
The relevancy is in Japan the ideal to have too much freedom would be a wet dream. I mean they ain’t exactly expecting more freedom to be a bad thing
In chaos there is freedom
In law there is order
But the more law there is the less freedom there is.
The more chaos the less order.
Society without rules is anarchy
Society with excessive rules is tyranny.
Neither of which are survivable by most.
How much safety will you give up for freedom?
How much freedom will you give up for safety?
Those are the questions you need to ask yourself before you support any kind of society.
At 5:35 the businessman in Shibuya is, I'm pretty certain, voiced by David Lodge. He is the voice of fake Igor in this game, but he also voiced Jeralt in Fire Emblem Three Houses. The businessman is literally him doing his Jeralt voice. They sound identical.
interesting how it says "end" instead of "fin"
scuffedlet well if you think abt it it’s actually the end for the phantom thrives they don’t get to live on as there trapped in prison and fin is when they made the great out of the ending just like how movies are left off with fin bc how amazing the plot was basically but for now this route is where there story really ended for the phantom thieves...
am I the only one who got a Spider-man 3 vibe from this? Good cop - bad cop?
Joker: Are you seriously expecting a yes? The creepy floating, dark fog, glowing eyes, calling you a cup a god, wtf. As long as their is a way to stop your bullshit than fine. Just one more thing, I can always get anything or anyone I want free of charge now.
Joker: ( Smirks then walks away. Joker is thinking) Tired of this world's bullshit. I promised myself given the chance I would go down swinging my fist back and forward at the world. When society is a fuck and you don't experience their endless love, you will burn down the world just to feel it's warmth.
Joker: Them, cops, students at school gossiping about me, the rich plus corporations ignoring me no love. I got them
When you realized that joker was the final boss this whole time
Kinda sad that after all the Phantom Thieves had done to prevent these people from stepping across the line is just ruined with words. I guess words really are sharp. :c
When the Joker of Persona 5 becomes the Joker of Persona 2.
Royal needs to extend on this ending
Ngamer2003 Wrong
Sonic Mobian What are you talking about
You switch perspective to another Phantom Thief (I'd say Mona) kinda like The Answer and go through Joker's palace and take away his ability to use personas.
@Sonic Mobian the game has already been released in japan for a long time
There is another reality deal
6:00 Hi aigis
Holy shit.
You're right.
plz explain
@@noriakikakyoin6009
The voice actor! It's totally Aigis.
@@crackedmateria4991 ohhhh ic (I see)
HOLY SHIT IT'S THE SAME VOICE
So question for everyone
If someone you knew for a long time turned out to be super evil and give you a deal like
“You will become rich and famous”
Would you accept that offer or go and defeat that someone
Toomes is Stupid What do I gain if I defeat him?
@@killerg4402 saving humanity
He wasn't really evil more that he was acting on a evil goal which wasn't his own. More of a geine really
You know what, I like this ending.
Humanity is now forever trapped in Mementos, so that ain’t too good, also Morgana isn’t with you anymore so it leads me to believe that you are the sole remaining Phantom Thief
I'd rather kick Yusuke out of the car than get this ending
OI JOSUKE
@@oldsnek9625 N O D I G N I T Y
Car sick Yusuke 😭
Yusuke better than Yosuke
I'd gladly pick this ending. Screw phantom thieves. God always wins.
This is how I always see Akira, looking dull and always smirking behind his head..
I like this ending. Happy endings is too much cliche in this day and age. So many JRPG's out there that always end with the main characters all alive and celebrating their victory in the ending. It's good to see when a game gives you a option to choose to side with the dark side for your own personal gain. And compared to games like Shin Megami Tensei series, this ending is actually pretty good as a Law ending.
same i feel like persona 4 would've had a way bigger impact if like
PERSONA 4 SPOILER BELOW!!!!
nanako actually died and didn't explain everything away by like "gods fault again oops g"uys!!!!!
@@katerinagagne1809 children dying is terrible for game ratings and sales in physical stores
@@512TheWolf512 ok and 🙄🙄🙄🙄 BE EVIL!
I also think nanako should have just died. Don't get me wrong i do care about her, but i laughed when "she came around"
I think it would've been better for her to fake out die for every ending instead of just the one you throw the guy into the TV, then we could see the cast regret their rash choice.
This could also be interpreted as the evil ending. Ren gave into the corruption of Yaldaboath.
Why would anyone ever want to go down this ending other than just sheer curiosity?
Because it actually is a reasonable ending. It also makes sense if you think about it. throughout joker's journey with the phantom thieves and through the horrible and traumatic experiences he has seen in those palaces, it wouldn't be far fetched from this happening. He is the "Trickster" and he might have had a "Change o heart"
I had a hunch rejecting the offer would net me the good ending, but I had a save file so I could afford to make the wrong choice. I kinda thought that accepting the offer and restoring the world would give us the chance to regroup, strategize, and succeed in taking down yaldaboath, but I guess I was wrong
All players who accepeted Igor's deal just wanted to finish the game sooner. It's impossible they would miss the point of the game after what happened in Mementos
Edit: And I can relate to them cause it's so fucking hard
Joker gives Mass Effect 3 renegade shep a run for his\her money.
You set out to steal hearts... and lost your own.
I like this ending more than the True ending
Same
>you've been betrayed by the society two times in a row
>the game constantly makes choices for you, like accepting Makoto in your party who's been a huge cunt ever since. Even Ryuji says "well, you can't do anything now since she knows everything" in the what's up chat. Yusuke also agrees when you call her a b- "whitch".
>basically, all your allies been talking only about the Phantom Thieves stuff throught the whole game, and nothing else, even among themselves. You don't even get the chance to know them better if you don't social link them. Even if you do - there is still no team spirit like in P3-4, you just bound together by fate, which was rigged by Jaldy from the very beginning.
>after you make the "right" choice and defeat the final boss- once again, the game makes you accept Sae's deal and the fact that all the good deeds from the Phantom Thives would be written off as a police doing their job
>the society doesn't change one bit even though the game says it does. Ichiko (somehow becoming the "worst girl" by the vocal majority) ends up being the only person who actually saves you from jail instead of the girl who had given the false charges against you, even though she is considred to be part of the "society" which is supposed to be changed by now and thus it should've been her who had spoken the truth without Ichiko finding her, yet she ends up doing nothing without the pressure
>people actually believe it was all the police doing. Not before the credits, nor after them anything shows that people still believe in the Phantom Thives
>This is literally THE ONLY time the game is actually giving you the oportunity to make a choice that will effect your fate
>THE ONLY moment where you are given a chance to show your free will, instead of doing the "right thing"
>"Y-you just don't get the point of the game((( I-it's about the free will(("
Those who believe this is the "bad" ending are the only ones who don't get the idea about the "free will" itself, since they are being easily swayed by their own self-righteousness. Pathetic. Also, the game does a very poor job at explaining how the free will is achived and how you break the chains of whatever holds you back, given all the facts I've written above. it's rather sad we've come to this point. Those series used to have a far deeper and complex plot, yet made it meaningfull.
We live in a society.
Jack Metro Chill out.
No, I disagree. First off, the whole free will, isn't something that be defined. It's called f r e e will. Your definition of free will be different from mine. Being self-righteous is not what these people are doing. It's called having a opinion. All of that up there? A o p i n i o n. People's minds are different, people have different senses of morality.
I totally agree with you
I agree with everything you said. As much as I love this game, the lack of player agency and self-righteous posturing really started to get on my nerves towards the end. This ending was like a breath of fresh air.
3:54 Too bad there was no way of showing to joker that this is a bad deal.
What's that? PQ2 showed this? He witnesses this first hand and he chose this? Why!?
Did they erase the Persona users' memories? they did?
Ok. It looks like Joker made a good deal after all.
Joker just went full Light Yagami on this ending. xD
It’s the same as persona 4 where the bad ending credits is the same as the final dungeon theme and this applies even if u get the bad ending before the final dungeon for either game
This is probably the strangest Christmas ever.
I fail to see this as bad.
You literally save the world from ruin.
In what way are people being controlled? They are simply given what they want?
...I'll betcha this is what Royal's plot is based on. We *can't* beat Yaldabaoth on our first go around, so we have to go deeper. And yeah, that'll include pulling Akechi in onto our side.
JacksonJin isn’t Akechi dead?
@@samdaman75 No conform on that, just a shot bang but there's a lot of ways to escape so he's likely not dead
In terms if heart break, this one isn't as bad as Persona 4's bad ending, and it STILL makes me cry. However, in the grand scheme of things, this ending fucks everyone over far more than P4's did if I remember correctly.
"We did it igor, we saved tokyo!"
If you ask me, it serves them right to become slaves, the public there are hypocrit like crazy, you be there a hero to a zero in less then 5 seconds.
Hey, you're "the public", too.
So the Trickster can undone Igor's (and therefore, Philemon's) wishes.
Well, there's no doubt he can trick and defy fate.
PD: Lavenza's expression. I couldn't take this ending because of that. :'(
This scenario is a good prequel for Persona 6, Joker could be be the Main Villain in the next game and the new Protag will rescue his former team mates in the final boss
I don't understand this ending; what happened? so he accepted igors deal, so now humanity is being controlled by that God yes? Joker gets his fame and that, but what happened to the other Phantom Thieves? Why are people committing crimes? What's Joker doing after he accepted the deal with Igor? I need these answered! I have no clue what this ending means!
Sanser Just from seeing this ending for the first time, the other Phantom Thieves remain trapped in the Velvet Room prisons, people are committing crimes under the influence of Yaldabaoth, and Joker's changing their hearts to feel needed and keep living on as a Phantom Thief.
Keep in mind Killing God with Satan was the good ending
Killing false god with angel
@@user-vg3gs8zz2h Demiurge, aka Yadabaoth, aka The "god of this world", aka The Devil.
Not quite. Satan is a different Persona you can make.
@@MayHugger Nah he said satan because Satanel was Satans orginal name before losing his angelic name
@@MckinleyStlouis But there still are 2 different Personas, one called Satanael, and one called Satan.
This is more of a Neutral ending than a Good or Bad ending
I wish I can choose this deal
But I was playin on work night and this had tp finish the game as quickly lol.
Theres no way I'm repeating those cutscenes the next day.
Welp no one saw that coming
Ren betrays his teammates
And now they’re locked up in the velvet room for all eternity
While he got revenge on the world for mistreating him so essentially he became akechi and could solo palaces to murder people and enter momentos to murder shadows...that’s a hella dark ending and sad
After that Ren probably has a palace