Ok, it’s not that it “tore up the arena”, holes and tears are quite easy to patch up iirc, the issue is denting and warping the floor when it hits it, these take more time to repair and straighten out. Also worth noting they banned might be the wrong terminology, the team and robot is still “allowed” to apply, it’s just that Battlebots will reject them on the basis that they stall production too much and too consistently.
I pinned this comment. Thanks so much for your insight! (And between you and me, I used the word "banned" for views. Lol! But I'm planning on being nothing but truthful from now on. I kind of felt bad using that word in the first place.)
@@BotFansUnited now it's not between you and him lol. But I don't have an issue with you using the word "banned" because it practically is banned since they reject deep six for safety reasons, like hellichopper. Yeah I know reject and ban aren't the same thing, cause think of you rejecting someone, doesn't mean you ban them from your life, but I still get what you mean
Bing! And that's what it's all about, babee! Selling cars and deodorant. No one cares about engineering or creativity. Your only function is to be a guy in a clown suit who glues eyeballs to screens for the betterment of stockholders. One goes from being a competitor to bing a product. F television producers.
those deep gouges also catch the forks most teams are using making them get stuck as they are all competing for the lowest angle to get under the others
We will never have another robot like Deep 6, it was such a crazy concept but it ended damaging the battlebox way to much. And Triton wich was basically a horizontal Deep 6 was a huge disappointment, Deep 6 was the robot that personified the chaos of battlebots and it'll never be replaced
It isn't surprising that contestants would eventually conceive of battle bots that would exceed the safety parameters of the arena(s) and reasonable-cost-of-repairs-limits to same. One could consider the "banning" a sort of badass achievement in it's own right. Some lucky fans got to observe the carnage for as long as it lasted.
Deep Six is a contender for my favorite battlebot, the raw power held in that spinner, and the sheer audacity to go "What if we pushed verts to the most destructive limit possible, at the expense of all other function," truly a marvel. Not to mention the effect Deep Six had on fights, it was often a shower of shrapnel, but the fight Deep Six had with Ribbot might be my favorite just for how tense it was with Ribbot desperately hunting for angles as Deep Six just tried to keep it's weapon forward and at least 1 wheel on the ground. And I'd like to mention that I think the story behind Deep Six being rejected from Championship 7 was a little more complicated. The builder, driver, designer, and captain of the team behind Deep Six, Dustin Esswein was not going to attend Championship 7 regardless, and losing the man who kind of established the team definitely hurt their chances of being accepted, that along with the robots history with damaging the box I think just led whoever makes the final call for who gets accepted to see Deep Six as not worth the slot. Also keep in mind is Championship 7 had only 50 bots instead of the previous year's 60, so standards were also just higher in general. Like Deep Six wasn't the only returning team who was rejected, the same thing happened to Ice-wave. Now team Overboard did manage to get a robot in with Triton, and from what I understand (so this may be wrong please don't take this too serious) Triton was kind of accepted last minute after news broke about Ray Billing's hand injury and him being unable to run Tombstone. Bradley Hanstad basically went "Hey we can make a really badass horizontal that can maybe fill the void tombstone leaves :)"
Deep Six' run in the Golden Bolt tournament was insane, recently rewatched it and Dustin really had the controls down. Such a shame it won't be competing anymore.
Tombstone: I tore up the BattleBox floor. What did you guys do? Endgame: Knocked off the clock. Tombstone: OK. And, Deep 6? Deep 6: *I obliterated the BattleBox* 😅 Tombstone and Endgame: Whoa. That's going a step too far 😥
I see a few others have mentioned the same thing, but it all comes down to the scale of damage here. Tombstone and the others peel up the top layer of flooring and smash up the walls and displays, which is (relatively) inexpensive to repair for BB and takes very little time. Deep Six tore a gouge several inches deep in the lower flooring reinforcements, which was a substantially larger issue in terms of cost and time. If it were only a one-time incident, the organizers probably would’ve let Deep Six off with a warning and a fine, but it had already done the exact same thing in a test box previously. As such, keeping Deep Six around risks continued damage to critical flooring components (which were originally designed to be virtually indestructible btw), so they won’t allow them to return sadly. I truly wish I could see a match between DS and tombstone, since I know Ray would absolutely love the carnage that would inevitably ensue.
0:39 Tombstone ripping up the floor here isn't really relevant since it happened in season 2 or 3 of the reboot (along with the famous match between Duck and Cobalt), because of that they replaced the entire floor in 2020 making it thicker and out of single thick (1x1/2 inch) sheets instead of multiple layered thinner sheets (3x1/8th inch) of mild steel. Tombstone wouldn't be able to do this anymore and you can see it with bots like Deathroll, Monsoon, Uppercut and Ripperoni that have pretty comparable weapons in terms of raw energy that they just mostly bounce off maybe denting the floor. The latter shouldn't be a problem with the upcoming championship (whenever they get around to recording that) since they plan to weld all the floor panels together so any bent panel won't create a bunch of ridges between the panels for forks and wedges to get stuck on. Deep Six however kept destroying the metal wall guards around the motors for the screws (from having the weapon mounted way higher as those other bots so when reversing into the wall it would hit it from above instead of the side as most verts do), testboxes as well as this thicker floor, not just denting it but actually slicing through the entire floor if it toppled over. This is both more dangerous since shrapnel can go through the floor and hit stuff like the killsaw mechanisms or cables that run under the floor and those repairs take way more time and thus a lot more costly when you have a filming crew just standing by. I think they were also worrying what would happen if Deep Six directly hit the polycarb walls as it could potentially just shatter it. They tried to nerf Deep Six specifically by limiting the allowed weapon weight to 80lbs from 110 for non full body spinners but even that wasn't enough to prevent it from severely damaging the arena almost every time it fought and I think for Dustin being limited in weapon weight kinda defeated the whole point in Deep Six.
The moment I heard AR500 Steel, I knew this was a big deal. For those who don't know AR500 Steel is used as armor for various military applications, such as Tanks, Humvees and uniforms.
Yeah I reckon it was difficult decision to outlaw deep six ..but double KO bots like deep six are kinda a novelty it unfair any serious contenders having to fight a weapon like this...and the safety of the crew and every one at battlebots it reputation will come crashing down with this also and damage the future of the sport. I believe the banning could be lifted after more balance between bots and weapons and arena. I honestly believe this community really hate having to make decisions like this as innovation got the sport to where it is today.
the problem with deep 6 is that his spinner is vertical. if it was a horizontal spinner like tombstone it would probably be not going thru all of that. Vertical spinners are way more destructive and uncontrollable. Plus if it hits the ground or a wall, it will hit it with full force, while a horizontal spinner would always hit the protected area of the wall, or hit only partially the ground. Imagine if that hit tombstone did to the arena floor was done with a perfectly vertical blade instead of how it hit the ground, in a very steep diagonal.
Bots are accepted into the competition for two reasons: their ability to draw a crowd and attract advertising. If the producers feel that they will not do this, they won't get into the competition. Many bots have disappeared from the competition, not just Deep Six. Many more have been submitted to the competition and never accepted. Floor damage isn't that big a deal unless it is happening every time the bot is unleashed. The repairs take time and money but they're happy to eat that cost if the bot that did it is bringing in lots of advertising dollars. In addition, bots like Tombstone are so entrenched in the competition that to remove them would mean a lot of fans would stop watching. Newer and less recognised bots don't get the same consideration. It's all about money.
Imagine this the weapon of deep six spinning in the opposite direction one of 4 things would happen 1 his weapon ends up piercing his opponent 2 he just bounces away 3 the force makes the opponent or the floor explode or 4 he literally puts his opponent 6 feet under
The original weapon was 110lbs, they introduced a rule known as the deep six rule, weapons are no longer allowed to be above 80lbs aside from cages and shells which has a 120lb limit
First: They cut the volume so that smashes and grinding doesn't carry anywhere NEAR the excitement factor it used to. Second: That stupid noise cancellation that irritates everybody's ears is all over the shows and I literally can't watch something like that... they call it PTSD, and you guys are exacerbating the hell out of it! And now in 2024 to 2025 they are even scared of their widdle battle-box to finally put some excitement back in, after they took so much ! tisk tisk, Battlebots, you are 0 for 3 in my that it so truly disappoints!
@richardeldridgesr.9919 I made this video in February. I didn't get very many views back then (around 100 was my average). And I honestly NEVER expected this video to reach the view count it has..... I'm a little ashamed to be honest..... But at that time in February, I was wanting to make videos on a consistent, once a week, or once every 2 weeks... this was a product of that. I threw this video together in a rush. No idea why TH-cam has allowed it to grow this big... Anyways, I have reached out to the Deep Six team... unfortunately, they haven't replied to any of my messages... maybe one day I'll make an updated version of this video with an actual reason why it was banned in Season 7.
This sound like an matter of upgrading the box. The fans pay to watch robots destroy one another not exchange a few blows, waiting for one to get inverted, then it can't self sight or it gets hung up on floor damage and gets counted out? Fand want inovTion and creativity winng over bots that just play the meta.Thanks. If you need me, I'll get getting a hot dog. Changes the rules upgrade the box and maybe add a weight class, that's 500 pound walkers only. It's stuff like this that can sometimes make this sport so unbelievably boring.
Ok, it’s not that it “tore up the arena”, holes and tears are quite easy to patch up iirc, the issue is denting and warping the floor when it hits it, these take more time to repair and straighten out.
Also worth noting they banned might be the wrong terminology, the team and robot is still “allowed” to apply, it’s just that Battlebots will reject them on the basis that they stall production too much and too consistently.
I pinned this comment. Thanks so much for your insight!
(And between you and me, I used the word "banned" for views. Lol! But I'm planning on being nothing but truthful from now on. I kind of felt bad using that word in the first place.)
@@BotFansUnited now it's not between you and him lol. But I don't have an issue with you using the word "banned" because it practically is banned since they reject deep six for safety reasons, like hellichopper. Yeah I know reject and ban aren't the same thing, cause think of you rejecting someone, doesn't mean you ban them from your life, but I still get what you mean
@jonathanf2392 it's essentially a shadowban
Bing! And that's what it's all about, babee! Selling cars and deodorant. No one cares about engineering or creativity. Your only function is to be a guy in a clown suit who glues eyeballs to screens for the betterment of stockholders. One goes from being a competitor to bing a product. F television producers.
those deep gouges also catch the forks most teams are using making them get stuck as they are all competing for the lowest angle to get under the others
We will never have another robot like Deep 6, it was such a crazy concept but it ended damaging the battlebox way to much. And Triton wich was basically a horizontal Deep 6 was a huge disappointment, Deep 6 was the robot that personified the chaos of battlebots and it'll never be replaced
Love this.
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I feel like HUGE! is a branch-off of that spirit.
It isn't surprising that contestants would eventually conceive of battle bots that would exceed the safety parameters of the arena(s) and reasonable-cost-of-repairs-limits to same. One could consider the "banning" a sort of badass achievement in it's own right. Some lucky fans got to observe the carnage for as long as it lasted.
Battlebots : Your bot must have an active weapon capable of doing _real_ damage.
Also Battlebots : Your weapon causes too much real damage.
Haha! Pretty much!
Deep Six is a contender for my favorite battlebot, the raw power held in that spinner, and the sheer audacity to go "What if we pushed verts to the most destructive limit possible, at the expense of all other function," truly a marvel. Not to mention the effect Deep Six had on fights, it was often a shower of shrapnel, but the fight Deep Six had with Ribbot might be my favorite just for how tense it was with Ribbot desperately hunting for angles as Deep Six just tried to keep it's weapon forward and at least 1 wheel on the ground.
And I'd like to mention that I think the story behind Deep Six being rejected from Championship 7 was a little more complicated. The builder, driver, designer, and captain of the team behind Deep Six, Dustin Esswein was not going to attend Championship 7 regardless, and losing the man who kind of established the team definitely hurt their chances of being accepted, that along with the robots history with damaging the box I think just led whoever makes the final call for who gets accepted to see Deep Six as not worth the slot. Also keep in mind is Championship 7 had only 50 bots instead of the previous year's 60, so standards were also just higher in general. Like Deep Six wasn't the only returning team who was rejected, the same thing happened to Ice-wave.
Now team Overboard did manage to get a robot in with Triton, and from what I understand (so this may be wrong please don't take this too serious) Triton was kind of accepted last minute after news broke about Ray Billing's hand injury and him being unable to run Tombstone. Bradley Hanstad basically went "Hey we can make a really badass horizontal that can maybe fill the void tombstone leaves :)"
I like the way you think! That Ribbot fight was something else!
And you could totally be right about Tritons story. :)
If tombstone is the king of horizontal spinners, Deep Six is absolutely the lord of vertical spinners, there is no doubt.
@@Xenon-or7fyehhh nightmare takes that but deep six and triton are basically
“If there’s a king, then there will be a weapon that takes it too far”
@@Leatherface123. overpowered weapon really costs them a lot.
Deep Six' run in the Golden Bolt tournament was insane, recently rewatched it and Dustin really had the controls down. Such a shame it won't be competing anymore.
Tombstone: I tore up the BattleBox floor. What did you guys do?
Endgame: Knocked off the clock.
Tombstone: OK. And, Deep 6?
Deep 6: *I obliterated the BattleBox* 😅
Tombstone and Endgame: Whoa. That's going a step too far 😥
Deep 6 got Blendoed? That's a unique badge of honor.
I see a few others have mentioned the same thing, but it all comes down to the scale of damage here. Tombstone and the others peel up the top layer of flooring and smash up the walls and displays, which is (relatively) inexpensive to repair for BB and takes very little time. Deep Six tore a gouge several inches deep in the lower flooring reinforcements, which was a substantially larger issue in terms of cost and time. If it were only a one-time incident, the organizers probably would’ve let Deep Six off with a warning and a fine, but it had already done the exact same thing in a test box previously. As such, keeping Deep Six around risks continued damage to critical flooring components (which were originally designed to be virtually indestructible btw), so they won’t allow them to return sadly. I truly wish I could see a match between DS and tombstone, since I know Ray would absolutely love the carnage that would inevitably ensue.
Respect for deep six
0:39 Tombstone ripping up the floor here isn't really relevant since it happened in season 2 or 3 of the reboot (along with the famous match between Duck and Cobalt), because of that they replaced the entire floor in 2020 making it thicker and out of single thick (1x1/2 inch) sheets instead of multiple layered thinner sheets (3x1/8th inch) of mild steel. Tombstone wouldn't be able to do this anymore and you can see it with bots like Deathroll, Monsoon, Uppercut and Ripperoni that have pretty comparable weapons in terms of raw energy that they just mostly bounce off maybe denting the floor. The latter shouldn't be a problem with the upcoming championship (whenever they get around to recording that) since they plan to weld all the floor panels together so any bent panel won't create a bunch of ridges between the panels for forks and wedges to get stuck on.
Deep Six however kept destroying the metal wall guards around the motors for the screws (from having the weapon mounted way higher as those other bots so when reversing into the wall it would hit it from above instead of the side as most verts do), testboxes as well as this thicker floor, not just denting it but actually slicing through the entire floor if it toppled over. This is both more dangerous since shrapnel can go through the floor and hit stuff like the killsaw mechanisms or cables that run under the floor and those repairs take way more time and thus a lot more costly when you have a filming crew just standing by. I think they were also worrying what would happen if Deep Six directly hit the polycarb walls as it could potentially just shatter it.
They tried to nerf Deep Six specifically by limiting the allowed weapon weight to 80lbs from 110 for non full body spinners but even that wasn't enough to prevent it from severely damaging the arena almost every time it fought and I think for Dustin being limited in weapon weight kinda defeated the whole point in Deep Six.
This is a great analysis. I sincerely appreciate your input, my friend. 😊
The moment I heard AR500 Steel, I knew this was a big deal.
For those who don't know AR500 Steel is used as armor for various military applications, such as Tanks, Humvees and uniforms.
Yeah I reckon it was difficult decision to outlaw deep six ..but double KO bots like deep six are kinda a novelty it unfair any serious contenders having to fight a weapon like this...and the safety of the crew and every one at battlebots it reputation will come crashing down with this also and damage the future of the sport.
I believe the banning could be lifted after more balance between bots and weapons and arena.
I honestly believe this community really hate having to make decisions like this as innovation got the sport to where it is today.
Nice thoughts!
the problem with deep 6 is that his spinner is vertical. if it was a horizontal spinner like tombstone it would probably be not going thru all of that. Vertical spinners are way more destructive and uncontrollable. Plus if it hits the ground or a wall, it will hit it with full force, while a horizontal spinner would always hit the protected area of the wall, or hit only partially the ground. Imagine if that hit tombstone did to the arena floor was done with a perfectly vertical blade instead of how it hit the ground, in a very steep diagonal.
@mattheusspoo good points my friend
could go right through the bulletproof glass ceiling. end game broke off part of cobalt (both vertical spinners) and it stuck in the glass
Bots are accepted into the competition for two reasons: their ability to draw a crowd and attract advertising. If the producers feel that they will not do this, they won't get into the competition.
Many bots have disappeared from the competition, not just Deep Six. Many more have been submitted to the competition and never accepted. Floor damage isn't that big a deal unless it is happening every time the bot is unleashed. The repairs take time and money but they're happy to eat that cost if the bot that did it is bringing in lots of advertising dollars.
In addition, bots like Tombstone are so entrenched in the competition that to remove them would mean a lot of fans would stop watching. Newer and less recognised bots don't get the same consideration.
It's all about money.
00:38 Ray Billings: "Sorry about your floor"!
Ray maniacally laughs as Tombstone continues destroying the floor.
I feel like Deep 6 was Nightmare 2.
Pretty much yeah
Imagine this the weapon of deep six spinning in the opposite direction one of 4 things would happen 1 his weapon ends up piercing his opponent 2 he just bounces away 3 the force makes the opponent or the floor explode or 4 he literally puts his opponent 6 feet under
I'm pretty sure that the reason only deep 6 got relegated was because it consistently damaged the floor ( I think). Feel free to prove me wrong though
Sounds about right to me.
I think its because the weapon was more than 80 pounds
Gotcha. Yeah, that would make sense. :) Thanks for the comment!
The original weapon was 110lbs, they introduced a rule known as the deep six rule, weapons are no longer allowed to be above 80lbs aside from cages and shells which has a 120lb limit
@Leatherface123. thanks for the info!
Fun fact axe backwards had a 125 pound weapon
Woah! That's sick!
Huge is the closest we’re gonna get to deep six imo
Perhaps the amount of the arena damage ?!???
Probably was a contributing factor. You're right.
I miss Deep Six. 😞
Same...
@@BotFansUnited Triton is pretty good though. Maybe this year it’ll prove itself as a spiritual successor.
If Tombstone returns for world championship 8 Triton might not compete in it
@@bouncyindignation2987 What makes you say that?
Well why dont you ask them why?
@@M-H433 to be honest... I haven't even thought of that... wow... thanks! I'm actually going to do that! :)
First: They cut the volume so that smashes and grinding doesn't carry anywhere NEAR the excitement factor it used to. Second: That stupid noise cancellation that irritates everybody's ears is all over the shows and I literally can't watch something like that... they call it PTSD, and you guys are exacerbating the hell out of it!
And now in 2024 to 2025 they are even scared of their widdle battle-box to finally put some excitement back in, after they took so much ! tisk tisk, Battlebots, you are 0 for 3 in my that it so truly disappoints!
I think battlebot could be the high not to be 20 cm..or 30 cm. For entertainment..
Seems like they want to script things. Deep 6 was a favorite of mine.
Ok, so it's banned. You don't know exactly why. And your solution is to make a clickbait video about it?
@richardeldridgesr.9919 I made this video in February. I didn't get very many views back then (around 100 was my average). And I honestly NEVER expected this video to reach the view count it has..... I'm a little ashamed to be honest.....
But at that time in February, I was wanting to make videos on a consistent, once a week, or once every 2 weeks... this was a product of that. I threw this video together in a rush. No idea why TH-cam has allowed it to grow this big...
Anyways, I have reached out to the Deep Six team... unfortunately, they haven't replied to any of my messages... maybe one day I'll make an updated version of this video with an actual reason why it was banned in Season 7.
This sound like an matter of upgrading the box. The fans pay to watch robots destroy one another not exchange a few blows, waiting for one to get inverted, then it can't self sight or it gets hung up on floor damage and gets counted out? Fand want inovTion and creativity winng over bots that just play the meta.Thanks. If you need me, I'll get getting a hot dog. Changes the rules upgrade the box and maybe add a weight class, that's 500 pound walkers only. It's stuff like this that can sometimes make this sport so unbelievably boring.