The magic of this song is that it was instant euphoria and nostalgia when I first heard it in 95’ in college. Now in 2022 the nostalgia and longing I feel when I listen to this song is to relive the 90s when my life was full of ambition and youth. Simply one of the greatest songs ever written.
@@donnyblondy8506 funny.. .if you had said the 90s I keep quiet you said of all time. That simply isn't true. My opinion might stink yours smells like ass. I would be surprised if this a top 100 song all time.
My first ever Pumpkins gig. Went tripping. Idiocy! But my memory of it is as crystal clear as this HD version here .A band opening for themselves was the most amazing thing I'd ever witnessed. Hahaha First time I'd noticed D'Arcy too. She was as much a revelation as Jimmy's drum orchestra!
@@sebastianmatarelli5602 4sure! I turned 16 in Aug. '79, 1of those in=betweeners [too young for baby boomer, born b4 Gen.X started] and that is the beauty & genius of this song - it ''feels'' like the atmosphere of the '70s, yet it was born in the dark waves of the '90s grunge rock revival. Believe me, it's a cool joy to have ridden both those waves of sound!
growing up in the 70s & experiencing those nostalgic feelings in the 90s, knowing EXACTLY what he was talking about in our late twenties.. and still feeling it in our fifties.
È proprio una grande corsa incontro alla vita , che ti vuole lasciare indietro e solo in un ricordo e tu ...dici NO , ti porto con me in questa canzone ... grazie S P ...
Great performance!!! Acoustic and lovely harmonies! One of my favs from childhood!! Still amazing! Sad these newer generations aren’t growing up to such amazing and real music…
Shakedown 1979 Cool kids never have the time On a live wire right up off the street You and I should meet Junebug skipping like a stone With the headlights pointed at the dawn We were sure we'd never see an end to it all And I don't even care to shake these zipper blues And we don't know just where our bones will rest To dust I guess Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below Double-cross the vacant and the bored They're not sure just what we have in store Morphine city slipping dues down to see That we don't even care as restless as we are We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts And poured cement, lamented and assured To the lights and towns below Faster than the speed of sound Faster than we thought we'd go Beneath the sound of hope Justine never knew the rules, Hung down with the freaks and ghouls No apologies ever need be made I know you better than you fake it to see That we don't even care to shake these zipper blues And we don't know just where our bones will rest To dust I guess Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below The street heats the urgency of now As you see there's no one around
William Patrick "Billy" Corgan, Jr. (Elk Grove Village, Illinois, 17 de marzo de 1967) es un músico, productor, compositor, escritor, poeta, empresario y promotor de lucha libre estadounidense, líder y miembro permanente de la banda The Smashing Pumpkins, formada por Corgan y el guitarrista James Iha en Chicago, en 1987. También es el propietario de la empresa de lucha libre profesional National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). 57 AÑOS.
Strange story...back in 96 saw the RHCP's in L.A...after the show we went to a Hollywood Bar- Restaurant called Jones where a lot of grunge/alternative musical bands hung out...me and girlfriend were having dinner and who walks in Anthony Kiedis and Jimmy Chamberlain...a few minutes later Jimmy Chamberlain comes up to us and asks if he can sit with us until his party arrives...said okay...he was really quiet two minutes later out pizza comes and he asks if he can have a slice...lol we saw um okay ..then he said thanks and went to sit with his buddies...years later I read he was on drugs back then which kinda made sense..love the 90s good times
Why am I sad to see this, yes because I miss being able to watch concerts again, jumping around together, and screaming and having fun together.. without gadgets and without worrying about viruses
thank you for this video!! i remember bringing this to geography class in year 12 and watching it with my classmates while our maths teacher smoked durries 🚬🚬🚬 out in the carpark. if there is a God he gave me 🎃🎃🎃🎃
Jimmy Chamberlin (Joliet, Estados Unidos, 10 de junio de 1964) es un baterista, compositor y productor estadounidense. Es conocido principalmente por ser el batería de la banda de rock alternativo The Smashing Pumpkins. Después de un incidente en 1996 relacionado con el consumo de drogas en el que falleció el teclista Jonathan Melvoin, la banda despidió a Chamberlin y se unió a The Last Hard Men, para volver a The Smashing Pumpkins a finales de 1998. Después de la separación de la banda en 2000, Chamberlin se juntó con el líder de la banda Billy Corgan en el supergrupo Zwan además de formar su propio grupo, Jimmy Chamberlin Complex. En 2005, Chamberlin volvió a montar Smashing Pumpkins junto a Corgan; volvió a abandonar la banda en marzo de 2009. En 2018 vuelve a reagruparse Smashing Pumpkins, con Jimmy Chamberlin en batería. 59 AÑOS. (60)
To the D'arcy Wretzky nay sayers, she was (and may still be) a wonderful bass player. The problem she (and James Iha) had that led to Corgan playing all but percussion on the studio albums was that she couldn't read Corgan's mind. Would you also say that Iha can't play? Corgan played Iha's parts also in studio. Corgan wanted specific sounds and rhythms that he could create faster in the studio than he could teach someone else to play them. Not that difficult a scenario to imagine, given his personality.
Don't know where you're getting this idea from? She and James don't play on the first 2 albums - Gish and Siamese Dream - due to the way they were recorded. Butch Vig was a very meticulous and technical producer. SD took ages to record due to his method and was going over-budget and overtime. The label was putting pressure on them to finish the record and so Vig asked Billy to do all the multi-tracking and overdubs as he knew he could get it done so much faster and more accurately than the other two. Corgan knew this would cause problems for the band going forward but acquiesced, likely due to financial considerations, having taken a $1m advance from the label. They swore off working in that manner again, switched producers and recorded as a band thereafter, the only exception being when D'arcy quit halfway through recording Machina, in 1999, when Corgan had to finish off or rerecord her bass parts. The theory you're putting out there that the others weren't able to keep up with Billy's creativity is an odd one. Any competent bassist or guitarist can learn parts pretty quickly, and I'm certain this is the case with D'arcy and James. What they couldn't do, in an acceptable timeframe was duplicate their parts without error for use as overdubs, as was the primary recording method for SD. Flood wanted a live band sound for MCIS and that's how they recorded the base tracks, with presumably Corgan adding overdubs later on his parts for songs like Thru the Eyes of Ruby which has a lot of multi-tracked guitars. All this is well-known, with plenty of recording footage out there, so we don't have to speculate.
@@johnniea4684 First, what you've said isn't much different from what I said. The difference is that I use the idea of Billy being better able to play what he wanted it to sound like, while you use the idea of Vig believing Billy was better able to play without errors. What are "errors?" They are anything that is not what Billy and Vig want. Second, it's not my theory that Wretsky and Iha couldn't hold their weight. It's nonsense spouted everywhere, and these facts about the first two recordings are often spouted as evidence. Third, I wouldn't believe Billy's or Butch's takes on the studio situation no matter how many times they're documented. Of course, Billy was concerned for the effect on the band. Of course, Butch knew Billy could do it best. Everyone here has a need to look good and be right. Most of the many things I've read about Billy's handling of the band either implies or is explicit about him being insufferable to play for--even for himself, the intro to "Today" being an example. He reportedly insisted on some exceptional number of takes in trying to perfect it himself. And his on stage persona at times seems to lend credence to the notion that his personality could make him difficult. Nothing is "well-known" to anyone who wasn't inside the studio, no matter what is documented. Everything we have is second-hand at best, or told by first-handers whose interests have diverged over time for various reasons. I was simply defending Wretsky, in particular, from the nonsense by pointing out that it is not uncommon for things to be done differently in the studio for the sake of getting the recoding the way someone wants it, in the most efficient manner. I don't think for a second it was because Wretsky or Iha were not capable. As someone pointed out, they both did it for years on tour while the band was still making great music. Anyone with ears for the bass can hear in Mellon Collie, etc., as well as their live performances that Wretsky knows what she is doing with a bass. Any suggestion otherwise must come from someone with an agenda.
@@lour3548 First point: "errors" was a poor word choice. What I should have said was that Billy was technically superior to both James and D'arcy so, with time being an issue he was able to lay down the tracks for overdubs more efficiently. Second: you're not going to change the minds of people who don't rate James and D'arcy. There's an abundance of live video footage of them both playing well, even if you haven't seen them in person. Anyone who continues to think they are poor has likely held that view for a long time, are Corgan fanboys or whatever, it's a waste of time trying to argue the contrary. Third: I agree with you that individuals will tell a version of history that puts them in the best light, it is simple human nature. I certainly won't argue with you that Billy was (is?) a notoriously difficult person to work with. Back in SP1 he certainly was a perfectionist and a studio geek, which James and D'arcy definitely weren't. It has been related by Corgan many times and confirmed by Vig that the way SD in particular was recorded was for the reasons I've outlined above. James and D'arcy have never contradicted this. Both were resentful (James was the one who leaked that they didn't play on the album) and have had long period where they've had nothing to do with Billy (over 20 years in D'arcy's case). Anyway, here's a direct quote from Vig from an interview in 2017. He hadn't anything to do with any of the band for 24 years when this came out, so i believe him: ""Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. If you ever saw them live, they’re all badass players, but Billy Corgan is a better guitar player than James, and he's a better bass player than D'arcy. "We would track a song, and we would record it trying to make sure we had a really good feel for it, but primarily I was listening to make sure we got a killer drum take by Jimmy Chamberlin. "Then we would usually go back and overdub everything, and Billy was just better at redoing the guitars and bass. On both [1991's] 'Gish' and [1993's] 'Siamese Dream,' D'arcy and James played a little bit, but it's over 90% Billy, because he's a phenomenal musician. "There was conflict - I think the band felt like, 'We are good enough to do it.' Like I said, D'arcy and James are amazing musicians. There were times when I would sit in the studio and give them the time to do that, and I would say at the end of the day, you can track a part, but I think Billy's going to want to come in, and I want to see if he can beat it. So at least they had an opportunity to do that. "There were some times I chose D'arcy's part, or James, over Billy's. To say there was conflict in that band, that's not the only reason there was conflict. There were a lot of things pulling at Smashing Pumpkins. Somehow I made it through two album cycles with them. They were always on the verge of imploding."
@@johnniea4684 That's an interesting and enlightening quote. Thanks. You're right. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. They were a great sounding band. I was immediately struck by their--I don't know what to call it--musicality, the first time I ever heard them, which was at a party in grad school right after SD came out. I hate to see the feuds. On the bright side, my son is now a fan. We keep saying we are going to learn Billy and James' parts in Mayonaise and play together. I hope it happens.
today people spend millions of dollars trying to capture feeling like this. but you can't buy feeling. in fact the more you try, the less feeling there is. it's like being cool, the more you try, the less cool you are.
Great Song,,, Darcy was a great asset, To the band , don’t know why they can’t come together again,,, Darcy and Billy was always able to sing like one person
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A song about nostalgia for the late 70s that makes everyone nostalgic for the 90s...Timeless classic...
definitely......give me back c.1994 anyday :-)
It's exactly that for me! Cheers.
Like a time machine
Wow. Your comment sums up every feeling we all have when we listen to this ....those of us who know and remember. Well said!
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With Billy Corgan, D'arcy Wretzky, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin, the core original lineup.
SP
I'm 67 and I love this Song, don't ever think you can't love music that's not from your Generation 💖
La mejor formación!
Jimmy is one of the most underrated drummers around. Dude was a machine
machines wish they were jimmy chamberlin bro
i’d say top 5, but i’ll be killed for this lol 😂
What makes you believe he's underrated?
Bro in Tonight…Tonight he absolutely killed it….
But everything is underrated now so he's OK.
Yeah that drumline was the s***totally underrated
Never ending Masterpiece...2021 anyone?
here
Yup.
Yo!!!!
Here. June 2021.
🤘
Never gets old. I love Darcy.
The magic of this song is that it was instant euphoria and nostalgia when I first heard it in 95’ in college. Now in 2022 the nostalgia and longing I feel when I listen to this song is to relive the 90s when my life was full of ambition and youth. Simply one of the greatest songs ever written.
Spot on.....like Happy Days on TV, in 70s: 50s nostalgia is now 70s nostalgia!
Agree absolutely. I think future historians will recognize Billy Corgan one of the greatest songwriters, across all genres, America ever produced.
me too ❤
definitely one of the top 20 rock songs of all time!
yes 100%
You are way too young if you really think that. It is an amazing song. Top 20 all time....no.
@@parabellum5503 guess you have no ear for music then
@@donnyblondy8506 funny.. .if you had said the 90s I keep quiet you said of all time. That simply isn't true. My opinion might stink yours smells like ass. I would be surprised if this a top 100 song all time.
@@parabellum5503 ok
Graduated HS in 1979, and the first time I heard this song I said to myself, 'Oh, whoever wrote this must have been there too.'
Best version ive heard.
D'Arcy's backvocal so mystical.
One of the most beautiful and nostalgic songs ever written. Corgan's are so wise.
one of the great songs of all-time..... thank you Billy and band
This 4 were the best and irreplaceable they had the chemistry the looks the name and the voice this 4 forever will remain in hearts.
My first ever Pumpkins gig. Went tripping. Idiocy! But my memory of it is as crystal clear as this HD version here .A band opening for themselves was the most amazing thing I'd ever witnessed. Hahaha First time I'd noticed D'Arcy too. She was as much a revelation as Jimmy's drum orchestra!
Was there another band afterwards?
What a way to put it in about the D'Arcy and Jimmy's drum orchestra
wow!! awesome quality! best version ever!!
When this song came out back in the day, it already felt nostalgic. But 20 plus years later it feels exactly the same..crazy
I’ve been hooked on this melody since the 90’s
that opening guitar riff... ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
What's better: Growing up during the 70's experiencing what this song is about, or growing up in the 90's listening to this song?
i take the latter :->
older gen x-ers got to experience both. early childhood in the 70s with their twenties landing in the 90s.
@@sebastianmatarelli5602 4sure! I turned 16 in Aug. '79, 1of those in=betweeners [too young for baby boomer, born b4 Gen.X started] and that is the beauty & genius of this song - it ''feels'' like the atmosphere of the '70s, yet it was born in the dark waves of the '90s grunge rock revival. Believe me, it's a cool joy to have ridden both those waves of sound!
How 'bout growing up in the 50's and digging it from the 90's to now???
growing up in the 70s & experiencing those nostalgic feelings in the 90s, knowing EXACTLY what he was talking about in our late twenties.. and still feeling it in our fifties.
I never really liked this song when I was young. Now I can’t get enough of it. Great song and a great rendition.
È proprio una grande corsa incontro alla vita , che ti vuole lasciare indietro e solo in un ricordo e tu ...dici NO , ti porto con me in questa canzone ...
grazie S P ...
No iPhones in the audience, and everyone is completely enjoying the music.
what's funny is if you go to concerts now the old people are just as bad with their phones
You can still record your experience for future memories and enjoy the music in the moment. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Great performance!!! Acoustic and lovely harmonies! One of my favs from childhood!! Still amazing! Sad these newer generations aren’t growing up to such amazing and real music…
Awesome version. Jimmy Chamberlin cranking it out like a human metronome!
Some of the best lyrics ever written
This is excellent, I'm loving these acoustic versions you are posting, thanks. 🙂 Also we can SEE and HEAR Darcy singing harmonies for once, excellent.
This song mad me feel nostalgic at 17 years old for the life I was currently living
Jimmy in shorts with dress shirt love it
Actually it’s pajamas, they’re all wearing pj’s!!!
Je ne m'en lasserai jamais quel son quelle voix quel groupe vraiment c'est bon de retrouver ube vidéo des Smashing
Thanks so much for the upload. Never thought I would ever see this one again. Such a cool version. Got to love you tube.
2024! still listenin
Can't explain how much and why I love this song because you all know why!
They belong in the rock and roll hall of Fame!!
Nah their later albums not great. I loved the first 4 then they lost their sound.
Shakedown 1979
Cool kids never have the time
On a live wire right up off the street
You and I should meet
Junebug skipping like a stone
With the headlights pointed at the dawn
We were sure we'd never see an end to it all
And I don't even care to shake these zipper blues
And we don't know just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below
Double-cross the vacant and the bored
They're not sure just what we have in store
Morphine city slipping dues down to see
That we don't even care as restless as we are
We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts
And poured cement, lamented and assured
To the lights and towns below
Faster than the speed of sound
Faster than we thought we'd go
Beneath the sound of hope
Justine never knew the rules,
Hung down with the freaks and ghouls
No apologies ever need be made
I know you better than you fake it to see
That we don't even care to shake these zipper blues
And we don't know just where our bones will rest
To dust I guess
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below
The street heats the urgency of now
As you see there's no one around
The chorus and the bridge sound specially enormous in this version
1979-best version...thx ! Love the Song 🎈
Here we go... best band ever! Memories galore, thank you for making years I can hold onto... all good I assure you 🤗
I feel the same about this band. SP will always be my favorite
Best version by far. Great work. Great song.
Dá vontade de estar nesse show ❤❤ Muito amor
William Patrick "Billy" Corgan, Jr. (Elk Grove Village, Illinois, 17 de marzo de 1967) es un músico, productor, compositor, escritor, poeta, empresario y promotor de lucha libre estadounidense, líder y miembro permanente de la banda The Smashing Pumpkins, formada por Corgan y el guitarrista James Iha en Chicago, en 1987. También es el propietario de la empresa de lucha libre profesional National Wrestling Alliance (NWA).
57 AÑOS.
I love how Darcy's swinging her leg in the beginning lol
She probably hasn't got her shot of crack for the day...
They haven’t been the same without her
I love how D’arcy exists
@@junosounds Gottem :(
I love d'arcy. And her leg.
Siempre es bueno darse una vuelta por aquí par escuchar buena música.
One of the best bands to grace your ears. x
Just saw them here in Dallas last month. Super fun concert
Im very happy to hear your music again😊
Beautiful live version
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ BEST BASS PLAYER EVER 💋☦️🇺🇲👻
SHE IS AN ICON FOREVER AND EVER 🌍♾️❤️ UNBELIEVABLE ☦️🇺🇲
Essa música é uma obra-prima. Banda no auge. Bons tempos que não voltam mais.
thank you so much THIS IS REALLY GREAT. Miss This kind of songs from billy
Strange story...back in 96 saw the RHCP's in L.A...after the show we went to a Hollywood Bar- Restaurant called Jones where a lot of grunge/alternative musical bands hung out...me and girlfriend were having dinner and who walks in Anthony Kiedis and Jimmy Chamberlain...a few minutes later Jimmy Chamberlain comes up to us and asks if he can sit with us until his party arrives...said okay...he was really quiet two minutes later out pizza comes and he asks if he can have a slice...lol we saw um okay ..then he said thanks and went to sit with his buddies...years later I read he was on drugs back then which kinda made sense..love the 90s good times
Those chords bring some nostalgia feelings. Really cool
Dove sono oggi i gruppi rock di quegli anni?...oggi sono tutti ft estivi che durano un anno ..
Great version!
makes my heart happy thx Billy for your timeless tune
they are always have a tiny special space in my heart
rocking this in 2023 baby on and on!
La mejor canción de esta banda: 1979🎸🎵🎵🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
i love you D´arcy
This guitar bass line are so amazing
J'adore ce titre !! Un de leur meilleur ! Je l'ecoute souvent ,voir en boucle !😁😍😜
Why am I sad to see this, yes because I miss being able to watch concerts again, jumping around together, and screaming and having fun together.. without gadgets and without worrying about viruses
happy 25th anniversary mellon collie!
from 1979 to 2018 !
MASTERPIECE SONG !
Tq smashing you give me 90's very wonderful
One of the most under rated altrenative song of the 90's!!!!
Awesome Song
so sad D`arcy gone after the "prime time" .. shes a wonderful masterpiece
thank you for this video!! i remember bringing this to geography class in year 12 and watching it with my classmates while our maths teacher smoked durries 🚬🚬🚬 out in the carpark.
if there is a God he gave me 🎃🎃🎃🎃
rip jonathan melvoin 3:46
Oh man... its so clear!
Funny how rock bands at the time get so soft when it comes time for acoustics. Beautiful
Fantastic Music
❤❤❤❤❤😢. 2024…..
A real masterpiece
Jimmy Chamberlin (Joliet, Estados Unidos, 10 de junio de 1964) es un baterista, compositor y productor estadounidense. Es conocido principalmente por ser el batería de la banda de rock alternativo The Smashing Pumpkins. Después de un incidente en 1996 relacionado con el consumo de drogas en el que falleció el teclista Jonathan Melvoin, la banda despidió a Chamberlin y se unió a The Last Hard Men, para volver a The Smashing Pumpkins a finales de 1998. Después de la separación de la banda en 2000, Chamberlin se juntó con el líder de la banda Billy Corgan en el supergrupo Zwan además de formar su propio grupo, Jimmy Chamberlin Complex. En 2005, Chamberlin volvió a montar Smashing Pumpkins junto a Corgan; volvió a abandonar la banda en marzo de 2009. En 2018 vuelve a reagruparse Smashing Pumpkins, con Jimmy Chamberlin en batería.
59 AÑOS. (60)
And not a single cell phone in sight. Man, I miss the 90s
When D'Arcy was still look hot and beautifuuuuuuul, love you D'Arcy..........
ur weird ur odd
@@coool1270 how so?
@@richardmaggio1979 idk man it just comes off as really creepy
@@coool1270 how is calling someone beautiful and hot creepy?
Ciye ciyee
TEMPLE UNIVERSITY 🇺🇲☦️💋♾️😎💸💸💸
when concerts were fun and had a sense of community. There was nothing like the 60s to the 90's
HERMOSA CANCION. PROFUNDA.
Timeless song! Never ending ...2024
Just perfect
What a great performance
To the D'arcy Wretzky nay sayers, she was (and may still be) a wonderful bass player. The problem she (and James Iha) had that led to Corgan playing all but percussion on the studio albums was that she couldn't read Corgan's mind. Would you also say that Iha can't play? Corgan played Iha's parts also in studio. Corgan wanted specific sounds and rhythms that he could create faster in the studio than he could teach someone else to play them. Not that difficult a scenario to imagine, given his personality.
Don't know where you're getting this idea from? She and James don't play on the first 2 albums - Gish and Siamese Dream - due to the way they were recorded. Butch Vig was a very meticulous and technical producer. SD took ages to record due to his method and was going over-budget and overtime. The label was putting pressure on them to finish the record and so Vig asked Billy to do all the multi-tracking and overdubs as he knew he could get it done so much faster and more accurately than the other two. Corgan knew this would cause problems for the band going forward but acquiesced, likely due to financial considerations, having taken a $1m advance from the label. They swore off working in that manner again, switched producers and recorded as a band thereafter, the only exception being when D'arcy quit halfway through recording Machina, in 1999, when Corgan had to finish off or rerecord her bass parts.
The theory you're putting out there that the others weren't able to keep up with Billy's creativity is an odd one. Any competent bassist or guitarist can learn parts pretty quickly, and I'm certain this is the case with D'arcy and James. What they couldn't do, in an acceptable timeframe was duplicate their parts without error for use as overdubs, as was the primary recording method for SD. Flood wanted a live band sound for MCIS and that's how they recorded the base tracks, with presumably Corgan adding overdubs later on his parts for songs like Thru the Eyes of Ruby which has a lot of multi-tracked guitars. All this is well-known, with plenty of recording footage out there, so we don't have to speculate.
@@johnniea4684 news to me, hope you make a video 👍
@@johnniea4684 First, what you've said isn't much different from what I said. The difference is that I use the idea of Billy being better able to play what he wanted it to sound like, while you use the idea of Vig believing Billy was better able to play without errors. What are "errors?" They are anything that is not what Billy and Vig want.
Second, it's not my theory that Wretsky and Iha couldn't hold their weight. It's nonsense spouted everywhere, and these facts about the first two recordings are often spouted as evidence.
Third, I wouldn't believe Billy's or Butch's takes on the studio situation no matter how many times they're documented. Of course, Billy was concerned for the effect on the band. Of course, Butch knew Billy could do it best. Everyone here has a need to look good and be right. Most of the many things I've read about Billy's handling of the band either implies or is explicit about him being insufferable to play for--even for himself, the intro to "Today" being an example. He reportedly insisted on some exceptional number of takes in trying to perfect it himself. And his on stage persona at times seems to lend credence to the notion that his personality could make him difficult.
Nothing is "well-known" to anyone who wasn't inside the studio, no matter what is documented. Everything we have is second-hand at best, or told by first-handers whose interests have diverged over time for various reasons. I was simply defending Wretsky, in particular, from the nonsense by pointing out that it is not uncommon for things to be done differently in the studio for the sake of getting the recoding the way someone wants it, in the most efficient manner.
I don't think for a second it was because Wretsky or Iha were not capable. As someone pointed out, they both did it for years on tour while the band was still making great music. Anyone with ears for the bass can hear in Mellon Collie, etc., as well as their live performances that Wretsky knows what she is doing with a bass. Any suggestion otherwise must come from someone with an agenda.
@@lour3548 First point: "errors" was a poor word choice. What I should have said was that Billy was technically superior to both James and D'arcy so, with time being an issue he was able to lay down the tracks for overdubs more efficiently.
Second: you're not going to change the minds of people who don't rate James and D'arcy. There's an abundance of live video footage of them both playing well, even if you haven't seen them in person. Anyone who continues to think they are poor has likely held that view for a long time, are Corgan fanboys or whatever, it's a waste of time trying to argue the contrary.
Third: I agree with you that individuals will tell a version of history that puts them in the best light, it is simple human nature. I certainly won't argue with you that Billy was (is?) a notoriously difficult person to work with. Back in SP1 he certainly was a perfectionist and a studio geek, which James and D'arcy definitely weren't. It has been related by Corgan many times and confirmed by Vig that the way SD in particular was recorded was for the reasons I've outlined above. James and D'arcy have never contradicted this. Both were resentful (James was the one who leaked that they didn't play on the album) and have had long period where they've had nothing to do with Billy (over 20 years in D'arcy's case).
Anyway, here's a direct quote from Vig from an interview in 2017. He hadn't anything to do with any of the band for 24 years when this came out, so i believe him:
""Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. If you ever saw them live, they’re all badass players, but Billy Corgan is a better guitar player than James, and he's a better bass player than D'arcy.
"We would track a song, and we would record it trying to make sure we had a really good feel for it, but primarily I was listening to make sure we got a killer drum take by Jimmy Chamberlin.
"Then we would usually go back and overdub everything, and Billy was just better at redoing the guitars and bass. On both [1991's] 'Gish' and [1993's] 'Siamese Dream,' D'arcy and James played a little bit, but it's over 90% Billy, because he's a phenomenal musician.
"There was conflict - I think the band felt like, 'We are good enough to do it.' Like I said, D'arcy and James are amazing musicians. There were times when I would sit in the studio and give them the time to do that, and I would say at the end of the day, you can track a part, but I think Billy's going to want to come in, and I want to see if he can beat it. So at least they had an opportunity to do that.
"There were some times I chose D'arcy's part, or James, over Billy's. To say there was conflict in that band, that's not the only reason there was conflict. There were a lot of things pulling at Smashing Pumpkins. Somehow I made it through two album cycles with them. They were always on the verge of imploding."
@@johnniea4684 That's an interesting and enlightening quote. Thanks. You're right. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
They were a great sounding band. I was immediately struck by their--I don't know what to call it--musicality, the first time I ever heard them, which was at a party in grad school right after SD came out. I hate to see the feuds.
On the bright side, my son is now a fan. We keep saying we are going to learn Billy and James' parts in Mayonaise and play together. I hope it happens.
Thanks to Chrome YT loop extension, I've had this on play all night.
lo escuchas y entiendes porque la musica calma las fieras
Muito legal ver a galera curtindo!
a classic and ever time song. 1979 rules
Omg. Love it!
james has always been stylish af
Brividi!!!!
Hear it in 2020 and still kicks hard!
Darcy I wov you!
2023. This song lives forever. I hope someone has this song stored in an indestructible device if the world should end.
Still listening 2023🙏🙏
Épocas de oro
today people spend millions of dollars trying to capture feeling like this. but you can't buy feeling. in fact the more you try, the less feeling there is. it's like being cool, the more you try, the less cool you are.
Great Song,,, Darcy was a great asset, To the band , don’t know why they can’t come together again,,, Darcy and Billy was always able to sing like one person