“This is opera”, come back! People need you! Don’t be afraid, you struggle for the good. You strive to purify the operatic culture, so God will protect you.
@@georgemosarm1345 what a sorrow of opera community... what a bunch of useless singers and conductors if they can be called such things but even if they are gone, they made of ourselfs the seed of a new public, demanding for real opera. Lets make them know they could get them away from this path but they can not threat every single person, THEY, WHOEVER THE FUCK THEY ARE, CAN NOT WITH ALL OF US.
For me Netrebko is a lyric soprano with coloratura not a spinto and a dramatic soprano that she is singing now because you are more popular singing Tosca and Turandot than singing lighter roles .But I.prefer Anna as Violeta Mimi Julieta Manon Tatiana and Norina than as Tosca Turandot Lady Macbeth Adriana and the more dramatic roles she is singing now
Her debut in Ruslan and Lyudmila in Russia was pretty good. She had core in the sound back then. I heard her in DC about 10 years ago, and the voice was big, round, and very pretty, but very little core. I feel like her vocal studies were cut short before she developed the chest voice and then integrated it into the rest of her range, because other lyric/coloratura sopranos of the past still cut over the orchestra and made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Whoever told Netrebko that she’s a dramatic soprano should be shot. It just seems like if you get older, and you get fat, you’re now supposed to sing Wagner. Ridiculous.
She has aways wanted to sing Wagner. Hell, I wanted to sing Wagner. And despite what this video tries to insinuate…her technique remains perfect. She is older…your voice changes as you age…but the technique remains the same. And she remains one of the best examples of amazing technique.
I don't think she is a coloratura soprano. I've never seen her doing a High F, or singing arias for coloratura like "Una Voce Poco Fa". She don't like to sing Staccatos too, only legatos. So, I think she is, probably, a Lyric Soprano or Lyric-Spinto.
If she was a lyric -spinto she would be able to sing dramatic roles but she cant ,she was a lyric voice and she destroyed her instrument,she didn't even had a proper coloratura
Haha, she is not disciplined enough to be a coloratura, thats all. To be a good coloratura you have to train yourself to be very precise. For this she was always to lazy! It was easier to have sex with all the old men with power in the business and to stay with more liric roles. She is rhytmically never very precise and she never had clean coloraturas or a good belcanto style. She had once a pretty voice with a personal colour, but no feeling for musical style or any style in life and therefore she is not ashamed to behave the way she does. A cheap simle woman with a big love for sex ,food and money. Far from an artist. Because she likes food also to much she became fat and than she had to sing "heavier" roles. Thats all. She is coke sold as Champagne. But the ones who know champagne did never believe her.
I've always thought her voice had a self-imposed dark color. Now this is an established fad and people have a wobble in two years. Singing at the Met is so bad now it no longer deserves to be called an international house.
I met anna netrebko in her early years and It was my general impression that her singing had great qualities indeed, a less developed version of Rosana Carteri as you did mentioned. It's a pity she chose to change her path rather than singing as she did in the past and strive for voice development throughout the years which would have been a more sensible course of action IMHO
To some extent I blame the critics because when she was doing the lighter roles the critics kept saying how her voice was too big for these roles. She should've stayed much longer in that repertoire.
The HD Met Turandot was awful. They replaced One wobbler with a bigger wobbler. Horrible the mikee 🎙 met truly stinks. Sad how people are saying it was great, when it was not!
I was very impressed when I first heard her on the radio. She was singing Margret in Faust. That was over 20 years ago. Then, not sure from when, she started to “develop” her voice. Now I cannot even bear listening to her singing anymore. She sang Tosca, Turandot , and other Verdi roles. Her Forced “dark” voice often makes me feel kind of sick, especially her Tosca. Seems she had a piece of bone choked in her throat and she was trying so hard to get it out.
Saw Netrebko in Lucia about 20 years ago in Los Angeles and very much agree that she really is a coloratura. She was totally at home in the role and killed it. I left thoroughly impressed. I was stunned then several years later to discover she was singing Lady Macbeth (!!!) Yikes!! I was thoroughly shocked and dismayed just how woofy her singing tone had become by taking on such inappropriate roles.
I don't know about coloratura, she sucked even in coloratura roles, but maybe she just didn't have the technique, after all coloratura is a technique, even not-coloratura sopranos can have it. For me she is a light lyric, or lyric-coloratura, but not full coloratura soprano.
(sorry my english) wait, exist full coloratura soprano? for me there are 3 types of colors for coloratura: lyric-coloratura, leggero, and dramatic-coloratura/drammatico d'agilità
@@marial.752 It's okay, English is not my first language either 😅 I said she is not coloratura soprano. And yes there are lyric coloratura sopranos (basically lyric sopranos with coloratura extension, they have much warmer timbre) and pure coloratura sopranos ( they are the highest sopranos and they are rarer than the lyric coloraturas) And there is this thing called coloratura technique, which almost anybody can acquire with good practice. Anna for my is lyric with coloratura extension
@@andity1 wow :O I always thought the lyric-coloratura was just a "neutral" coloratura soprano to make it easier to differentiate between the others, I was just confused😹😹😹
@@marial.752 ...nope. Lily Pons was a true coloratura soprano. They are distinguished by equal power and color throughout a 3 octave or more range. They vocalize an octave above high C or higher. Their tone though unnaturally even is very monochromatic....
The list of misguided sopranos is getting longer and longer. In the meantime, there are no more dramatic sopranos because we get to hear artificially enlarged and darkened lyric voices. It's time for the audience to go on strike and stop attending such performances. But as long as you can make money with so-called stars and make yourself look like a busybody, this will unfortunately remain a utopia.
A thick singing kills volume of sound, darkness and richness in harmonics. So definitely Netrebko has not a thick way of singing. Rather Damrau or Sumi Jo.
I totally agree. Not only does it kill volume, darkness, and richness; but, it makes it much more uncomfortable to sing and it will feel unnatural in your body. Singing should be comfortable and feel natural.
If the voice is thick by nature, it should be kept thick, but if it is light by nature, it should be kept bright. No voice should be forced either way, because of age or anything. I have a low, big voice, but my teachers at gymnasium wanted to slim it and make me a high, light voice, which just closed my throat, like modern, fake leggiero sopranos experience. Why on earth ad there so many coloratura sopranos today? They are too rare to be that many! Instead, they should probably sing spinto/dramatic repertoire
She sounds like she's taking something out of the house now. Singing should not be this hard. Her sound was much freer and unconstricted. A much more authentic sound.
Fr, I think its that new mentality(throughout history but especially today) that "oh I'm getting older which means my voice is naturally developing so I must be ready for a heavier role for which my voice is not best suited".
@@caseyfranco3959 That's definitely part of it. But, the bigger part of it is that people feel that they can make their voice sound better and more mature by doing the following: constricting their voice through the use of depressed larynx instead of free larynx, maneuvering their valsalvas, and creating a fake darkness instead of a natural darkness that comes from covering your voice.
@@operasingingtechniqueandpe2646 oh absolutely! The process is so rushed nowadays as well! Masterclasses: quick fixes that will only damage the voice. Its a sad thing
@@caseyfranco3959 I agree. I once listened to an interview of Andrés de Segurola. He said to wait a longer time than people want you to before you make a debut so that you can completely train your voice AND your mind.
We don’t disagree with you. Remember, this is an archive. It’s here because these people are trying to erase all traces of their involvement. We didn’t make these videos but we feel it’s important this whole debacle is documented so others can learn from their bad example.
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Bad performances by Netrebko, even back then. I feel sorry for any who are struggling with unhealthy technique or bad teachers/bad teaching. If only Anna and the others could undo their unhealthy and bad performance skills, but then one would have to say the same of many singers in the past with problems, like Del Monaco, Carteri, etc. The rare minority of golden singers learned to do both - like Caruso, Slezak, Ponselle, Sirota, Callas, Eddy, etc.
I was a super in 1999 when she did L’elisir d’amore and Falstaff and her voice was better back then. She was never a favourite of mine but she has gotten considerably worse over the years. But also I think she’s been doing the wrong repertoire over time.
I've been watching these videos with some interest for several days. At first I was annoyed by the use of anatomically inaccurate terminology like chest and head voice, but then I understood the poster is describing singing accurately. I have some comments. 1) I think more explanation of vowel formation would be helpful. People who sing and have good vowels will develop their voices without a need for many special techniques. It's the strange ideas about mouth shape and placement which are killers. 2) I think you are too hard on some modern singers. For example, Bryn Terfel sounds good to me. 3) Ouch on the Leontyne Price takedown. Devastating. Same with the clip of Horne telling a student to make an ugly sound. 4) Is there a post on Joan Sutherland? You can't say she had a small voice. She had terrible vowels later, but I think she was very good in her earlier years, when she didn't do loud hooting. 5) can you include Lawrence Tibbett? Thanks again. I really enjoy the series
I know this is an archive, but let me tell you that Anna Netrebko once said in a video on TH-cam that she isn’t sure what type of soprano she is and that she doesn’t care. She just wants to sing soprano roles. She doesn’t self identify as a dramatic soprano. “It’s obvious that Anna considers herself a dramatic soprano” is not true
I think in this context what they meant as "I think Anne considers herself as dramatic" is that she has been tackling way too much spinto and dramatic repertoire. Not caring about fach is a also a big mistake. Ask Jose Carreras
@@oliverdelica2289 I'm not saying I agree with her we shouldn't care about fach, but it's true that some people make a big obsession over it, which makes me cringe tbh.
She had a lightlyric voice then and now she could have been a regular lyric soprano. She sang many coloratura roles at her early days her voice wasn't that high or that agile for this fach even at her younger days. She has never been a coloratura soprano, neither a dranatic or spinto of course.
When I first discovered her I was like their is something not right about her singing t I thought to myself she sings like she has something in her mouth Now I am not an opera singer but I have studied bel Canto. Then I discovered the scuttlebutt on her. Yep
la sua voce bisogna ad ascoltare in teatro, ti da soddisfazione da vivo anche se ci siano questi problemi, invece tanti cantanti da video/audio si sente benissimo,ma dal vivo hanno poco volume, appana si alza il volume dell'orchestra non sente piu. purtroppo i cantanti come l'epoca d'oro non ci sono piu. e' un peccato per il mondo della lirica :(
You really can't compare a 20 year old soprano to a 50 year old one... just listen to how Sutherland changed in her development! She had a much brighter sound when younger. Her voice darkened with time... she didn't have the problems Anna is having but still voices have a tendency to change over time.
Joan Sutherland did not wobble and sing out of tune. Which is a consistency in the Met. The HD performance of Turandot was a horror. They replaced one wobbler with a bigger one.
There is a Les Contes de Hoffmann rendition at the MET where Netrebko sang a competent Antonia. It's a pity she has decided to ruin her voice singing heavy roles, maybe pushed by her agency
She's not an absolute bad soprano, but hers is the most misguided voice since Anna Moffo. Such sadness, she's experiencing exactly the same as Natalie Dessay
Переведите текст на русский... пожалуйста !??... Могу только догадываться, что тема критики исполнения в определённые периоды её творчества !??... Да, мне тоже не нравится, что Анна экспериментирует со своим красивейшим сопрано, не нравится мне некоторые роли, совсем... Но я обожаю этого Человека, актрису и красивейшую женщину и желаю только Счастья , Успехов!
Мне тоже Анна очень нравится, и голос у нее очень красивый. Но то, что она сейчас с ним делает это и правда кошмар. Написано тут про то, что в юности у нее хорошая техника, есть какой-никакой грудной регистр, правильно и хорошо звучит середина и верх. А сейчас она искусственно затемняет и заглубляет звук, гортань зажата, все звучит неестественно, неправильно. И я с этим согласна. Понятно ее желание петь большой драматический репертуар и вера в то, что с возрастом голос изменился и стал драматическим. Но на деле не стал и хорошие низы не появились, она их искуственно делает, так как если бы она пела их естественно, грудью, как должно, они бы звучали светло и не драматически. Соответственно затемняется звук и на всем диапазоне, получая фальшивый объем, и верхние ноты от этого страдают и получаются зажатыми. Автор видео считает ее колоратурным сопрано, очень может быть, слышала где-то ее колоратуры в юном возрасте, очень хороши были. А потом все, наоборот, писали, что голос ее подвижностью не отличается и колоратуры не даются. Когда она начала эксперименты с голосом. Из такой вот высокой колоратуры по мнению автора, с возрастом может получиться крепкое лирическое сопрано, которым Анна в общем и является, но драматическое - никак. В целом, на мой взгляд, пусть бы пела, как и что хочет, раз поклонники хотят это слушать, но это может ведь и отразиться на всем оперном мире, благодаря ее известности. Хороших драматических певиц сейчас и так крайне мало, и требования к исполнению этих партий могут быть очень сильно снижены, в результате хороших певиц мы и не услышим больше, и в целом школа красивого и естественного пения окончательно отомрет. Раньше-то в Италии за такое пение помидорами бы закидали, требования к исполнению были куда выше. А сейчас люди привыкают к такому звучанию. Я и сама когда-то думала, что так и должно звучать, пока не переслушала великих певиц прошлого.
@@yuliana703 что значит сейчас? До этого она как будто нормально пела!? Это единственное более менее приемлимое исполнение. Её потом на маску посадили чуть позже. В 2004 году Opernball вроде, там жуткое мычание
Безусловно, становление её было довольно неплохим по тем временам. Но врастить и пойти дальше не получилось, она села на маску, невнятно и невзрачно пела потом. И тут идёт сравнение с лирическими сопрано - они побагаче оказались в звуке и глубиной, силой.
@@Monnarchmonnarchy Да, согласен - и по пению "в себя", и по колоратурности и мощи... Нетребко хороша была молодой, и это - только лирическое сопрано, весьма приятное.
I would really like to know how all these people commenting on this channel sing. And even more: the person who has created this channel. Everyone who is judging world class singers in this quite arrogant way is Mr./Mrs nothing compared to them.
Quite a lot of us do sing, even professionally. We are very troubled by the direction this potentially fine singer has taken. We have educated ears, because of long-term professional training and listening. Therefore what we say might have some real value, rather than others' clueless adoration of someone whose singing has really become very troubling. In any case , the people with the best knowledge of singing are not necessarily singers of the first class, but fine teachers who have spent decades listening to voices and helping them to improve, or experienced operagoers who have heard fine singing for decades and recognise the good and the bad when they hear it.
This video is just so stupid and mean, in the extract of the Mussorgsky's Detskaya, Anna sings the role of a child, so she adopts a light tone (like soprani use to do for the role of the young Yniold in Pelleas and Melisande of Debussy) , and also because it belongs to a Song cycle and not to opera. But if you hear the performance in entirety, you will hear that there is already in some moments the presage of a darker tone. All voices can be used in different ways, with different colors and it is the sign of a great vocal control. I saw her in may for a recital in Paris and she sang wonderfully, her medium is velvet and high notes going through walls. A forced dark-tone is ruining the voice. If her technique was not great, she could not sing for more than one evening lady Macbeth. Yet she sang it very well and several times. If you don't like her style it is ok, but don't say she doesn't have a good technique. I would like to see you singing. And thank you to note the references of the extracts (date, place, production, NAME OF THE ARIA). I am sure that you are a friend of the crazy egocentric girl of the youtube page Phantoms of the opera.
More mean people in the elitist opera world than anywhere. How sad for you that you can’t just enjoy a beautiful woman with a beautiful voice making people happy without you trying to impress with your misguided ideas of what YOU want her to sound like.
not misguided, informed. If people love the second- or third-rate, that is up to them, but that won't prevent others from saying what they think, often backed by years of experience of really good singing.
“This is opera”, come back! People need you! Don’t be afraid, you struggle for the good. You strive to purify the operatic culture, so God will protect you.
Why not reach out to the authors? Their names have all been published and I’m sure they would love your support!
@@Thisisopera Could you write down their names please? I would appreciate it! I couldn’t understand the reason why they left this noble initiation.
@@georgemosarm1345 neither do i... we need them back..
But thank you for being the archive at least we can see all the knowlege they left behind
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I suppose they have been intimidated
@@georgemosarm1345 what a sorrow of opera community... what a bunch of useless singers and conductors if they can be called such things but even if they are gone, they made of ourselfs the seed of a new public, demanding for real opera. Lets make them know they could get them away from this path but they can not threat every single person, THEY, WHOEVER THE FUCK THEY ARE, CAN NOT WITH ALL OF US.
For me Netrebko is a lyric soprano with coloratura not a spinto and a dramatic soprano that she is singing now because you are more popular singing Tosca and Turandot than singing lighter roles .But I.prefer Anna as Violeta Mimi Julieta Manon Tatiana and Norina than as Tosca Turandot Lady Macbeth Adriana and the more dramatic roles she is singing now
Her debut in Ruslan and Lyudmila in Russia was pretty good. She had core in the sound back then. I heard her in DC about 10 years ago, and the voice was big, round, and very pretty, but very little core. I feel like her vocal studies were cut short before she developed the chest voice and then integrated it into the rest of her range, because other lyric/coloratura sopranos of the past still cut over the orchestra and made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Whoever told Netrebko that she’s a dramatic soprano should be shot. It just seems like if you get older, and you get fat, you’re now supposed to sing Wagner. Ridiculous.
She has aways wanted to sing Wagner. Hell, I wanted to sing Wagner.
And despite what this video tries to insinuate…her technique remains perfect.
She is older…your voice changes as you age…but the technique remains the same. And she remains one of the best examples of amazing technique.
@@totallylegit4092You consider voce ingolata with no chest voice and a huge wobble to be great technique?
@@toscadonna no chest voice? Lol. Either you dont know what chest voice sounds like on a woman or your hearing is going. Lol
@@totallylegit4092 😂😂😂😂😂 you'r a joke! So much bullshit.
@@totallylegit4092 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🙈🙈
I don't think she is a coloratura soprano. I've never seen her doing a High F, or singing arias for coloratura like "Una Voce Poco Fa". She don't like to sing Staccatos too, only legatos. So, I think she is, probably, a Lyric Soprano or Lyric-Spinto.
If she was a lyric -spinto she would be able to sing dramatic roles but she cant ,she was a lyric voice and she destroyed her instrument,she didn't even had a proper coloratura
Haha, she is not disciplined enough to be a coloratura, thats all. To be a good coloratura you have to train yourself to be very precise. For this she was always to lazy! It was easier to have sex with all the old men with power in the business and to stay with more liric roles. She is rhytmically never very precise and she never had clean coloraturas or a good belcanto style. She had once a pretty voice with a personal colour, but no feeling for musical style or any style in life and therefore she is not ashamed to behave the way she does. A cheap simle woman with a big love for sex ,food and money. Far from an artist. Because she likes food also to much she became fat and than she had to sing "heavier" roles. Thats all. She is coke sold as Champagne. But the ones who know champagne did never believe her.
I've always thought her voice had a self-imposed dark color. Now this is an established fad and people have a wobble in two years. Singing at the Met is so bad now it no longer deserves to be called an international house.
I met anna netrebko in her early years and It was my general impression that her singing had great qualities indeed, a less developed version of Rosana Carteri as you did mentioned. It's a pity she chose to change her path rather than singing as she did in the past and strive for voice development throughout the years which would have been a more sensible course of action IMHO
Well, humm i have seen Anna Netrebko 2 times live and well, 🤔🤭🙄 i was not impress at all.
To some extent I blame the critics because when she was doing the lighter roles the critics kept saying how her voice was too big for these roles. She should've stayed much longer in that repertoire.
The HD Met Turandot was awful. They replaced One wobbler with a bigger wobbler. Horrible the mikee 🎙 met truly stinks. Sad how people are saying it was great, when it was not!
I was very impressed when I first heard her on the radio. She was singing Margret in Faust. That was over 20 years ago. Then, not sure from when, she started to “develop” her voice. Now I cannot even bear listening to her singing anymore. She sang Tosca, Turandot , and other Verdi roles. Her Forced “dark” voice often makes me feel kind of sick, especially her Tosca. Seems she had a piece of bone choked in her throat and she was trying so hard to get it out.
Our opera audiences have become ignorant. In Italy raving about her Aida. Every note wobbles. Voice is ruined.
@@PBXVIILY not ruined but not refined and opulent any more....
Saw Netrebko in Lucia about 20 years ago in Los Angeles and very much agree that she really is a coloratura. She was totally at home in the role and killed it. I left thoroughly impressed. I was stunned then several years later to discover she was singing Lady Macbeth (!!!) Yikes!! I was thoroughly shocked and dismayed just how woofy her singing tone had become by taking on such inappropriate roles.
I saw her do LoL then and was much impressed. She also did an admirable job in Manon at LAO.
I don't know about coloratura, she sucked even in coloratura roles, but maybe she just didn't have the technique, after all coloratura is a technique, even not-coloratura sopranos can have it. For me she is a light lyric, or lyric-coloratura, but not full coloratura soprano.
(sorry my english)
wait, exist full coloratura soprano? for me there are 3 types of colors for coloratura: lyric-coloratura, leggero, and dramatic-coloratura/drammatico d'agilità
Sorry if I didn't understand your comment very well, I'm not good at English
@@marial.752 It's okay, English is not my first language either 😅 I said she is not coloratura soprano. And yes there are lyric coloratura sopranos (basically lyric sopranos with coloratura extension, they have much warmer timbre) and pure coloratura sopranos ( they are the highest sopranos and they are rarer than the lyric coloraturas) And there is this thing called coloratura technique, which almost anybody can acquire with good practice. Anna for my is lyric with coloratura extension
@@andity1 wow :O
I always thought the lyric-coloratura was just a "neutral" coloratura soprano to make it easier to differentiate between the others, I was just confused😹😹😹
@@marial.752 ...nope. Lily Pons was a true coloratura soprano. They are distinguished by equal power and color throughout a 3 octave or more range. They vocalize an octave above high C or higher. Their tone though unnaturally even is very monochromatic....
I saw her at Met in the Elixir of Love..and she was fabulous..this was about eight yrs ago.
The list of misguided sopranos is getting longer and longer. In the meantime, there are no more dramatic sopranos because we get to hear artificially enlarged and darkened lyric voices. It's time for the audience to go on strike and stop attending such performances. But as long as you can make money with so-called stars and make yourself look like a busybody, this will unfortunately remain a utopia.
A thick singing kills volume of sound, darkness and richness in harmonics. So definitely Netrebko has not a thick way of singing. Rather Damrau or Sumi Jo.
I totally agree. Not only does it kill volume, darkness, and richness; but, it makes it much more uncomfortable to sing and it will feel unnatural in your body. Singing should be comfortable and feel natural.
If the voice is thick by nature, it should be kept thick, but if it is light by nature, it should be kept bright. No voice should be forced either way, because of age or anything. I have a low, big voice, but my teachers at gymnasium wanted to slim it and make me a high, light voice, which just closed my throat, like modern, fake leggiero sopranos experience. Why on earth ad there so many coloratura sopranos today? They are too rare to be that many! Instead, they should probably sing spinto/dramatic repertoire
@@mathildehb00761000% agree.
I think either a light lyric or lyric coloratura.
She sounds like she's taking something out of the house now. Singing should not be this hard. Her sound was much freer and unconstricted. A much more authentic sound.
Fr, I think its that new mentality(throughout history but especially today) that "oh I'm getting older which means my voice is naturally developing so I must be ready for a heavier role for which my voice is not best suited".
@@caseyfranco3959 That's definitely part of it. But, the bigger part of it is that people feel that they can make their voice sound better and more mature by doing the following: constricting their voice through the use of depressed larynx instead of free larynx, maneuvering their valsalvas, and creating a fake darkness instead of a natural darkness that comes from covering your voice.
@@operasingingtechniqueandpe2646 oh absolutely! The process is so rushed nowadays as well! Masterclasses: quick fixes that will only damage the voice. Its a sad thing
@@caseyfranco3959 I agree. I once listened to an interview of Andrés de Segurola. He said to wait a longer time than people want you to before you make a debut so that you can completely train your voice AND your mind.
New sub, finally seeing people stand up to what is happening rn
Her voice is beautiful
We don’t disagree with you. Remember, this is an archive. It’s here because these people are trying to erase all traces of their involvement. We didn’t make these videos but we feel it’s important this whole debacle is documented so others can learn from their bad example.
Agreed!
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only a person who understand nothing about music can say such a rubbish like you...i am sorry...
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Bad performances by Netrebko, even back then. I feel sorry for any who are struggling with unhealthy technique or bad teachers/bad teaching. If only Anna and the others could undo their unhealthy and bad performance skills, but then one would have to say the same of many singers in the past with problems, like Del Monaco, Carteri, etc. The rare minority of golden singers learned to do both - like Caruso, Slezak, Ponselle, Sirota, Callas, Eddy, etc.
It really was
Flagstad tambíen.
Also voices I think can change a little bit, but not that much.
I was a super in 1999 when she did L’elisir d’amore and Falstaff and her voice was better back then. She was never a favourite of mine but she has gotten considerably worse over the years. But also I think she’s been doing the wrong repertoire over time.
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I've been watching these videos with some interest for several days. At first I was annoyed by the use of anatomically inaccurate terminology like chest and head voice, but then I understood the poster is describing singing accurately. I have some comments.
1) I think more explanation of vowel formation would be helpful. People who sing and have good vowels will develop their voices without a need for many special techniques. It's the strange ideas about mouth shape and placement which are killers.
2) I think you are too hard on some modern singers. For example, Bryn Terfel sounds good to me.
3) Ouch on the Leontyne Price takedown. Devastating. Same with the clip of Horne telling a student to make an ugly sound.
4) Is there a post on Joan Sutherland? You can't say she had a small voice. She had terrible vowels later, but I think she was very good in her earlier years, when she didn't do loud hooting.
5) can you include Lawrence Tibbett?
Thanks again. I really enjoy the series
Singers who make the sounds with their mouth are always in trouble.
I know this is an archive, but let me tell you that Anna Netrebko once said in a video on TH-cam that she isn’t sure what type of soprano she is and that she doesn’t care. She just wants to sing soprano roles. She doesn’t self identify as a dramatic soprano. “It’s obvious that Anna considers herself a dramatic soprano” is not true
I think in this context what they meant as "I think Anne considers herself as dramatic" is that she has been tackling way too much spinto and dramatic repertoire.
Not caring about fach is a also a big mistake. Ask Jose Carreras
@@oliverdelica2289 I'm not saying I agree with her we shouldn't care about fach, but it's true that some people make a big obsession over it, which makes me cringe tbh.
For wobbly, out of tune, ugly singing, it's hard to beat Netrebko.
Putin’s nightingale strikes again
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She had a lightlyric voice then and now she could have been a regular lyric soprano. She sang many coloratura roles at her early days her voice wasn't that high or that agile for this fach even at her younger days. She has never been a coloratura soprano, neither a dranatic or spinto of course.
She was just to LAZY. Coloraturas need a big portion of training and pecision. Not her cup of tea.
Pray and Sing for UKRAINE! STOP Putin War. Peace for UKRAINE.
When I first discovered her I was like their is something not right about her singing t I thought to myself she sings like she has something in her mouth
Now I am not an opera singer but I have studied bel Canto. Then I discovered the scuttlebutt on her. Yep
True! 💯
la sua voce bisogna ad ascoltare in teatro, ti da soddisfazione da vivo anche se ci siano questi problemi, invece tanti cantanti da video/audio si sente benissimo,ma dal vivo hanno poco volume, appana si alza il volume dell'orchestra non sente piu. purtroppo i cantanti come l'epoca d'oro non ci sono piu. e' un peccato per il mondo della lirica :(
I love you Anna..
You really can't compare a 20 year old soprano to a 50 year old one... just listen to how Sutherland changed in her development! She had a much brighter sound when younger. Her voice darkened with time... she didn't have the problems Anna is having but still voices have a tendency to change over time.
Of course one can when they choose the wrong path.
That's an insult to Joan Sutherland if I ever saw one - she would NEVER have let her voice be that out of tune consistently.
Joan Sutherland did not wobble and sing out of tune. Which is a consistency in the Met. The HD performance of Turandot was a horror. They replaced one wobbler with a bigger one.
@@PBXVIILY I believe Sutherland's pitch was laser accurate before, say, 1970. After that I'm not so sure
There is a Les Contes de Hoffmann rendition at the MET where Netrebko sang a competent Antonia. It's a pity she has decided to ruin her voice singing heavy roles, maybe pushed by her agency
She's not an absolute bad soprano, but hers is the most misguided voice since Anna Moffo. Such sadness, she's experiencing exactly the same as Natalie Dessay
Mofo was a light lyric soprano?
i dont understand your compare with dessay....what do you mean?
Переведите текст на русский... пожалуйста !??... Могу только догадываться, что тема критики исполнения в определённые периоды её творчества !??... Да, мне тоже не нравится, что Анна экспериментирует со своим красивейшим сопрано, не нравится мне некоторые роли, совсем... Но я обожаю этого Человека, актрису и красивейшую женщину и желаю только Счастья , Успехов!
Мне тоже Анна очень нравится, и голос у нее очень красивый. Но то, что она сейчас с ним делает это и правда кошмар. Написано тут про то, что в юности у нее хорошая техника, есть какой-никакой грудной регистр, правильно и хорошо звучит середина и верх. А сейчас она искусственно затемняет и заглубляет звук, гортань зажата, все звучит неестественно, неправильно. И я с этим согласна. Понятно ее желание петь большой драматический репертуар и вера в то, что с возрастом голос изменился и стал драматическим. Но на деле не стал и хорошие низы не появились, она их искуственно делает, так как если бы она пела их естественно, грудью, как должно, они бы звучали светло и не драматически. Соответственно затемняется звук и на всем диапазоне, получая фальшивый объем, и верхние ноты от этого страдают и получаются зажатыми. Автор видео считает ее колоратурным сопрано, очень может быть, слышала где-то ее колоратуры в юном возрасте, очень хороши были. А потом все, наоборот, писали, что голос ее подвижностью не отличается и колоратуры не даются. Когда она начала эксперименты с голосом. Из такой вот высокой колоратуры по мнению автора, с возрастом может получиться крепкое лирическое сопрано, которым Анна в общем и является, но драматическое - никак. В целом, на мой взгляд, пусть бы пела, как и что хочет, раз поклонники хотят это слушать, но это может ведь и отразиться на всем оперном мире, благодаря ее известности. Хороших драматических певиц сейчас и так крайне мало, и требования к исполнению этих партий могут быть очень сильно снижены, в результате хороших певиц мы и не услышим больше, и в целом школа красивого и естественного пения окончательно отомрет. Раньше-то в Италии за такое пение помидорами бы закидали, требования к исполнению были куда выше. А сейчас люди привыкают к такому звучанию. Я и сама когда-то думала, что так и должно звучать, пока не переслушала великих певиц прошлого.
@@yuliana703 что значит сейчас? До этого она как будто нормально пела!? Это единственное более менее приемлимое исполнение. Её потом на маску посадили чуть позже. В 2004 году Opernball вроде, там жуткое мычание
@@yuliana703 нет, мычание сейчас. Тогда это просто была маска и пение в себя
Безусловно, становление её было довольно неплохим по тем временам. Но врастить и пойти дальше не получилось, она села на маску, невнятно и невзрачно пела потом. И тут идёт сравнение с лирическими сопрано - они побагаче оказались в звуке и глубиной, силой.
@@Monnarchmonnarchy Да, согласен - и по пению "в себя", и по колоратурности и мощи... Нетребко хороша была молодой, и это - только лирическое сопрано, весьма приятное.
I would really like to know how all these people commenting on this channel sing. And even more: the person who has created this channel. Everyone who is judging world class singers in this quite arrogant way is Mr./Mrs nothing compared to them.
Anna is far from a world class singer. You dont need to do something better to be able to judge it. Your comment has 0 value.
Quite a lot of us do sing, even professionally. We are very troubled by the direction this potentially fine singer has taken. We have educated ears, because of long-term professional training and listening. Therefore what we say might have some real value, rather than others' clueless adoration of someone whose singing has really become very troubling. In any case , the people with the best knowledge of singing are not necessarily singers of the first class, but fine teachers who have spent decades listening to voices and helping them to improve, or experienced operagoers who have heard fine singing for decades and recognise the good and the bad when they hear it.
This video is just so stupid and mean, in the extract of the Mussorgsky's Detskaya, Anna sings the role of a child, so she adopts a light tone (like soprani use to do for the role of the young Yniold in Pelleas and Melisande of Debussy) , and also because it belongs to a Song cycle and not to opera. But if you hear the performance in entirety, you will hear that there is already in some moments the presage of a darker tone.
All voices can be used in different ways, with different colors and it is the sign of a great vocal control.
I saw her in may for a recital in Paris and she sang wonderfully, her medium is velvet and high notes going through walls.
A forced dark-tone is ruining the voice. If her technique was not great, she could not sing for more than one evening lady Macbeth. Yet she sang it very well and several times.
If you don't like her style it is ok, but don't say she doesn't have a good technique. I would like to see you singing. And thank you to note the references of the extracts (date, place, production, NAME OF THE ARIA). I am sure that you are a friend of the crazy egocentric girl of the youtube page Phantoms of the opera.
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The author of this slander has no clue about opera singing! LOL! Anan still sounds great at 53 years old.
no she doesnt..you have no clue of opera singing!and thats no slander its a fact!
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er ... no
More mean people in the elitist opera world than anywhere. How sad for you that you can’t just enjoy a beautiful woman with a beautiful voice making people happy without you trying to impress with your misguided ideas of what YOU want her to sound like.
She is cheap and sounds awful.
not misguided, informed. If people love the second- or third-rate, that is up to them, but that won't prevent others from saying what they think, often backed by years of experience of really good singing.