There are many Christians who believe God was wrath in the Old Testament and love in the new one. Yet, if read in context, we can come to the only conclusion that God had always been both love and wrath
"there are many christians." you got that right. Matthew 7:13 wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Matthew 7 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
YHWH, is The Judge of the universe. Already, we can know from the Bible that the Canaanites, did trow a lot of their children into a "sacred fire", and other humans. History also mentions that, even newborns, were sacrificed. The priests did the sacrifices... that mean that the priests of that time, were serial killers. And yet, the human sacrifices were not always done, because of the fear of the gods... a lot of parents gave their children and even their newborns, because they wished, that the gods, would give them some benedictions. The Bible says that the pagan gods were demons. So, the ancient could really have something from the demons! But there is a lot more! The Canaanite priests did teach and practice the pagan cult of sex: it means that all the priests did zoo-philia, paedophilia, incest... and there was a lot more people than today, that were pedophiles, zoophiles and... did practice incest. They also did orgies under green lush trees... we can call that: sacred orgies, because it was a religious ritual. The priests, and all the other Canaanites, did SOOOO many EVIL actions. It was truly horrific. ... MORE... At the time of the conquest of Canaan, the priests of Baal, had the OBLIGATION, to EAT the human sacrifices ; ALL OF THEM. The normal population, when there was a siege, after they depleted their food... could had dig to find insects to eat. BUT... they rather choose to eat their children. There was also more human sacrifices, in a siege. Necrophilia on fresh sacrifices... was practised by some priests. (I cannot say all or generalize on that). They had also sacred prostitutes. It would not be a surprise that, they tried to be pregnant as much as they can... to sacrifice their own newborns. Knowing the corruption of the pagans of antiquity... Doing sex with anything, with any animals, or any kind of person, was not seen as evil. It is sure that, in the ''sacred orgies'', there was lilke... A mother, with her sister, a dog, a cousin, her son, a goat, ''gods'' (The sexual gods of today... are indeed idols), statues, etc. Don't you think that we could be patients like God was with the pagans? When YHWH destroyed in The Bible. Sometimes, The Scripture does not explain the full reasons, of why someone was punished to death by God. But, because YHWH can know everything if He wants... that means that, the people that seemed to be killed for nothing, were already evil in their hearths, that did a lot of evil, BEFORE they were executed. The more we dig about paganism, the worst it is. Anything occult is attached to the demons, and, all the occult arts were popular. No human have supernatural powers, so, the occult ''gifts'', they ALL comes from the demons, that share their power, in exchange of something. The more disgusting were your sacrifices to the demon-gods, the more powerful you were with what you occult practices. The other pagans, were all like that. They were not equally evil. The Assyrians were more evil. More recently, the Aztecs were bloody, with cannibal priests. Wrath of God = Divine Retribution
J C B PLEASE PLEASE join me in prayer and declaring that all lying establishment be removed. Especially ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEAR CHILDREN.!!! Learning lies and corruption through falsehood in education, media, movies , music!!! We NEED to protect the innocent and be a voice for them!!!! In YASHIYA’s Name. I have learned this to be HIS NAME!!!! It is NOT Jesus!!!
J C B why do you say judeochristian? What fellowship have Christ with belial? The Talmud blasphemes Christ, jewish values are not equivalent to Christian values
I agree we must not stop reading the Bible because man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3).
I have not found any reason, either in my relationship with Jesus or the NT, to change my understanding from what Paul wrote. Which to me glorifies the Father and Son in the proper context. (From whom vs through whom) and (God vs Lord) yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live Did Paul forget to honor the "person" of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit? Matt 10:20 ...for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Did the Host of Heaven forget to honor the person of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit? Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" Does Jesus call the HS His Father? As Mary conceived by the HS. Thats one God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ with Spirit of God as the Spirit of the One and only true God the Father. The head of the body of Christ states: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. The head of the body of Christ states: Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. Therefore to state likewise is to follow His words. So then who is the Jesus ? The firstborn of all creation =the first of Gods works. Jesus is before all things except the Father. Gods firstborn and the firstborn of all things. How then can that Son be the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being if no God is formed after the Father? The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another) Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God How then does such a statement, not found in the NT, hold to ONE God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit" Now at the appointed time set by the Fathers will a "body" was prepared for Jesus. And the Son who was, His spirit, was in the tent of that body. And as Jesus stated His teaching was not His own but it was the Father living IN Him doing His work. As in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son. And this follows the Septuagint. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, HE said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a "body" you prepared for me; He said =Jesus A body you prepared for me = the Father As a Son, not a God who always was, Jesus inherits ALL things. God does need to inherit anything. All that belongs to the Father also belongs to His Son. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe And as a Son Jesus received authority. God doesn't need to receive any authority as He is God. About the Son You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. One might ask in light of these things whose name do we baptize in? Note the word "Son" Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. THEREFORE go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Is Jesus God? He never dies. Yes, He is all that the Father is. No, He has always been the Son.
This is really deep. I am currently learning that we who believe inHIM as it is written are sons and daughters to also do the will of THE FATHER as our brother has. He came so we can be baptized either THE HOLY SPIRIT.!!!
Jesus (Yahusha) was a unitarian exclusivist monotheist beliving the father Ab Yahuah is the only true God Aluah... th-cam.com/video/qn1aX6yTbtI/w-d-xo.html
I am blessed with this, you are speaking truth and this has been my truth also.. since I studied the divinity of God (the Almighty Creator of All eternal and Holy) and the the truth about Trinity. This kind of truth I found. I am blessed that there are believers around who searched for truth and strengthened the faith. I Praise God Almighty for He is leading us to real faith and truth. I thank God for His great love and for giving us Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. ❤️
For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
DIVINITY SERIES - EPISODE 1 0:00 - Clarification of terminology: 'Divinity' vs 'Trinity' vs 'Godhead' 0:41 - Existing Teachings/Possibilities of the Divinity 1:23 - Clarification of terminology: 'God' vs 'God the Father' vs 'the Divinity' 1:56 - Pre-Nicene writings on the issue 8:00 - Tertullian's 3 Analogies 10:35 - Preview of next 2 videos contents in the series 10:49 - Common Scriptures used by Pre-Nicene Christians concerning Divinity/Trinity
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
@@joobalee5776 I WOULD SAY THIS; THAT THE ELITE HAVE BEEN SO BUSY TRYING TO PROVE THE TRINITY THAT THEY MISSED OUT ON THE ONENESS OF GOD. GOD B LESS YOU MY FRIEND IN CHRIST. PEACE BE WITH YOU.
The disciples baptized those who believe in Jesus' name. Act 19: 5. Acts 2: 38. There is no account when they baptized in the name of "the father, the son and the holy spirit"
You cannot just quote one church father, for we know that Eusebius shortened biblical passages, he writes: God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth. However, the full text is: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Eusebius is certainly refering to Phil 2:9f, but his writing of it is not a quotation. Text critics don't just look at manuscripts of the text. They also examine quotations of passages in early writers. All quotations of Matthew 28:19 that include the "name" formula have the long version and not the short. Didache 7:1 Concerning baptism, you should baptize this way: After first explaining all things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in flowing water Tertullain On Baptism paragraph 13 Go, he says, teach the nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Tertullian Against Praxeas, chapter 2 says, "After His resurrection ..He commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost". Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 AD) in A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII Hippolytus (170-236 AD says in Fragments: Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical.--Against the Heresy of One Noetus, Cyprian (200-258AD) in The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian and others In total, if we would search only those Fathers prior to Nicea, we would find 24 quotations of Matthew 28:19 using the full formula. There were no quotations amongst these writers with the short version. There were also quotations of the verse where they stopped prior to the list of names (i.e. "he commanded us to teach all nations"). And if we would just think for a moment, the church fathers wanted the trinity formula in Matthew, willfully altered manucsripts of Matthew 28:19, sought out and destroyed all manuscripts of Matthew 28:19 containing the short reading, then went through the writings of the Ante-Nicean Fathers and altered their quotations of Matthew, destroying all other copies and they forgot to rewrite Acts and other places which mention the IN THE NAME OF JESUS, would that make sense? And the context of Matthew seems to be about teaching and baptizing, while the context of other books in the NT is more historical, or more about the salvifical works of Jesus. There technically isnt a passage where the apostles were baptizing and whilst doing that they were saying: I BAPTIZE THEE IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARETH, we just have mentions of them saying BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS. And since the greek preposition ἐπί commonly translated here as "in" can have multiple meanings, one cannot say what it truly means, it can mean "in the name of" or "by the name of" or unintuitively "on the name of", and also the greek of Matthew 28:19 doesnt have this preposition, it has the preposition εἰς, which is a primary preposition, to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.) And since the passage is, you could say, out of place, that doesnt necessarily mean that it is an interpolation, it could as well mean that it is original.
anyone notice, there is no mention of the Holy "mother of god here"? And no mention of praying to Mary or to angels either.........how those catholics keep giving money to rome, a false church is evident of a truly lost group of people
Richk lowell They believe that when a person that’s part of the body of Christ dies, they are still part of the Body, only difference is they are in heaven. Therefore like you ask a church member to pray to you, you can ask the dead person, who is still part of the Body and in heaven, to carry your supplications to Jesus. I know this is only a small part of the veneration of saints but this is what I’ve heard constantly on this topic. And I’m not saying I believe this necessarily
The term Mother of God is Christological, meaning the person she carried in her womb was God before, during and after her pregnancy. If you say she is the Mother of Christ, the man only, you fall into the error of Nestorianism.
Except for the fact that it’s not based on biblical teaching and Mary is dead. The dead in Christ will rise at the return of Christ. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
This is awesome. I was mostly a luke warm protestant until a few months ago i developed a thirst to know. It's leading me to Catholicism because i looked at it with an open mind and decided to figure out what the bible actually says. And here i am enjoying this
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
The teaching of the Trinity ' Doctrine ' is Apostasy ; Apostasy was foretold to come . Just because it is earlier , doesnt mean its all right . Also some of these writings likely distorted . Yahweh_is_Love / twitter
Thank you for commenting. Yes, those descriptions don't imply Trinity nor Monarchianism. But the next two videos in this series on the Divinity addresses those topics. Here is a list of videos in this series. God bless! th-cam.com/play/PLKXGJjRU-bTXeBBZSNZH8VHyJVR6dACc-.html
Exactlyyyyy, they were battling talmudic jews attempting to take away believers in Christ in that time (and still today). They were trying to make it clear that you cannot be following God if you do not follow the son, who is the Christ foretold to come and has come.
John 14:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 20:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Isaiah 9:6-21 King James Version (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.. Being the "firstborn" mean's He had a start. God has alway's been. No start or end. God can NOT die. So if Jesus was God then He didn't die on the cross.
Adam and Eve, the first married couple, were one flesh. It does not mean that they were the same person in two... One here really is, the expression of unity. God and Jesus are really unite but, they are not one person in two persons... YHWH is Eternal. He created The Word. They became one (no couple XD), because of their unity, the way they think, the way they act. It is like... God was ''an eternal man'', that creates with his own body, The Word ''the women'', created with the body of God (The power of God emanates from his spiritual body) OK, God have limitless power so, he did not ''loose a spiritual rib''. XD Adam was created, and then, from the body of Adam, Eve was created. The model is the same but... spirits are TRULY non-binary: we use the masculine to describe spirits, to facilitate our understanding. On earth, Jesus was a man. When he was resurrected as a spirit, he became again, genderless. In Philippians it is describe, that Jesus was a spirit, that emptied himself of his power... (Jesus existed as a spirit, and... his life was transfered, in a sperm, in an ovula... Pretty weird.
Departure from reason usually ends with the disclaimer that explanation is futile because God, being infinte, is "beyond" human comprehension. Deut. 29:29 the "things revealed" about the relationshiip between God and His Son are intrisic to His logos, that is, "things" that are comprehensible. the Greek word apokalupis, translated "revelationl" means the "unveiling" of what was previously hidden from human understanding. Things revelaed are things that believers can understnad and assimilate into their lives.
where people miss and fail in the "trinity" is they say that Christ had no beginning and He did not come from the Father and that He was always there just as the Father was and had no beginning saying there is no difference between the Father and the Son - thus there is no "one true God" but one God which is made up of three gods - which is blasphemy in the highest order - the "trinity" understood properly, was just as Tertullian explained it perfectly (8:19 mark) - that's why there's such a division in the subject of a "trinity" of which I say the word needs to be dismissed altogether - there is only one true God, the Father, and He brought forth His only begotten Son and Their Spirit is holy. . . . that's plain, simple and strictly Scriptural without confusion.
The book The Theology of Tertullian notes: “[It was] a curious blend of juristic and philosophic ideas and terms, which enabled Tertullian to set out the trinitarian doctrine in a form which, despite its limitations and imperfections, supplied the framework for the later presentation of the doctrine at the Council of Nicaea.” Hence, Tertullian’s formula-three persons in one divine substance played a major role in the spreading of religious error throughout all of Christendom. His key contribution to Christendom turned out to be a theory upon which later writers built the doctrine of the Trinity.
What did Peter have to say about the Mt. of Transfigeration experience: "For He (Jesus) received honor and glory FROM God the Fahter when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, 'This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased' WE OURSELVES heard THIS voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain" 2 Peter 1:17-18
There’s another problem whit this particular verse , this verse was found written in the walls of one of the smaller pyramids in Egypt and dates back 1200 b,c so who can explain cause is getting interesting.
Furthermore the word TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. IT IS ALSO NOT HEBREW. IF THE APOSTLES TAUGHT TRINITY the early church would have been accused of such by the Sanhedrin.
Actually saying what Peter confessed when CHRIST asked him " WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM....Peter answered thou art the CHRIST the Son of the living God. JESUS partook of Divinity as a son partake of his father's nature. A human shares human nature with offspring. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. WE are made sons by adoption. JESUS WAS not CREATED He says I PROCEEDED and CAME FORTH from GOD. THESE WORDS IN ORIGINAL REFER TO BIRTH OR AS EVE CAME OUT OF ADAM. THE BIBLE STATES that God worked through HIS SON to CREATE ALL THINGS. SO THE ANSWER IS NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE THREE GOD TRINITY. QUITE CONTRARY...ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD AND HE HAS A SON AND BY HIS SON HE CREATED ALL THINGS. GOD HAS A SPIRIT AND IS ABLE TO INDWELL US AS HE AND HIS SON SHARE THIS SPIRIT OR LIFE. IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD HE IS NONE OF HIS. SHARING THE SPIRIT OF GOD UBITES THE BODY OF BELIEVES TO GOD AND HIS SON AND,EACH OTHER. THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS GOD THE SON OR GOD,THE SPIRIT. ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL WHO US ABOVE ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN YOU ALL...IS WHAT IT SAYS. ☺🦋
@@icxcnika555 The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate personalities represented in One God. In the baptism of Christ: Matthew 3:16-17. Here the Father speaks from heaven; the Son is being baptized in the Jordan; and the Spirit descends in the form of a dove.
They did accuse Jesus of that. "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one God." A misquote which they practice unto this very day. As it is actually, "Hear oh Israel, for the Lord's our God's are one God." A reference to the trinity.
Isaiah 44:6 (Almighty God speaking) Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. ----> Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
The divine nature is consistant with all its qualities, attributes and charachter of love, holiness, mercy, power, wisdom and justice. These qualities are never compromised. This nature is the nature of the Father and Son and Spirit.
THESE QUALITIES ARE THE ONENESS OF GOD. JOHN 17 220 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24 “Father, MARK 3 24 IF A KINGDOM IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT KINGDOM CAN’T SURVIVE; 25 AND IF A HOUSEHOLD IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT HOUSEHOLD CAN’T SURVIVE. 26 SO IF SATAN HAS REBELLED AGAINST HIMSELF AND IS DIVIDED, HE CAN’T SURVIVE EITHER; AND THAT’S THE END OF HIM.
@@lancebach yes these *qualities* are oneness in spirit/disposition, but not oneness in person. Jesus is a seperate person and we also keep our individuality as God is *all in all* Ephesians 4:3-7, 2 Corinthians 3:17
Post Apostolic Church: Perhaps the most disturbing apostate teaching of the post-apostolic period is the teaching of Trinity and how Satan has enslaved us all through debates over this matter! Perhaps in your own assessment, you might have noticed that: 1. No single apostle in the bible worshipped a Trinitarian God! They in fact always advised us to worship the father and Jesus (in their relative positions 1 Corinthians 15:24-28); 2. No single first century Christian ever glorified, honoured, or worshipped the Holy Spirit in any form whatsoever! They only talk about him and his role in their Christian lives (1 Corinthians 2:11); 3. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16) himself never requested any glory, honor or worship for himself, anywhere in the scriptures in a manner similar to what Jesus does for example in John 5:22-24! Clearly, Trinity is only a human philosophy introduced gradually into the church and was only established after 325AD in fullfimement of Acts 20:29-30 ....to suggest that antenacene Christians believed in Trinity is misleading far from the truth! Some Trinitarians desperately appeal to two totally ridiculous arguments: 1. John 10:30 and 10:38 to argue that since the Father and the Son are "one"; the Holy Spirit is also "one" with them and Trinity is thus true! One only needs to read John 17:20-23 to realise that Jesus never meant that he is "one" entity or "one" God with his Father! He meant "one in purpose", one in "the purpose of redemption". 2. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 etc...to point out that they are mentioned together in "one endeavour/purpose" and therefore Trinity is true! Wow....but what about other trinities in the bible? Why must these other trinities be ignored? For example 1 Timothy 5:21; 1John 5:8 or even 2 Corinthians 11:4? Why are these other trinities meaningless? For instance, since you assume that the Apostle Paul believed in Trinity, why does he replace Holy Spit with "elect angels" at 1 Timothy 5:21? The Holy Spirit should be a better witness than Holy Angels...not so? You have got to at least admit my friend that Trinitarians have "gone beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6) as they are not asked to put these 3 supposedly Devine persons into "one" Divinity and preach a Triune God (Romans 10:2-3)!
The fact that he believed the Son to be inferior to the Father can be easily seen in his letter Against Praxeas. In it, he states: Chap. IX. "Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son." Chap. VII. "And while I recognize the Son, I assert his distinction as second to the Father." Again, ask yourself why was his view of the trinity different from today’s view if it has always been taught by the church? The reason is because it was a developing idea. Tertullian himself gives us the greatest proof of the fact that it was a developing idea in the same letter. He states: Chap. III. vv. 1. "The majority of believers, are STARTLED at the Dispensation (of the Three in One)...They are constantly throwing out against us that we are preachers of two gods and three gods...While the Greeks actually REFUSE to understand the oikonomia, or Dispensation" (of the Three in One). These are incredible statements! Tertullian is acknowledging that the majority of believers did not agree with the Doctrine of the Trinity. They accused him of being a polytheist. The Greeks (either Greek Christians or Christians that spoke Greek in different lands) refused altogether to believe him. These statements are probably the best proofs that the Doctrine of the Trinity was not taught by the Apostles.
Thanks for commenting. To understand what Tertullian was talking about, one should understand their whole argument. Many times, writers, like Tertullian, pointed that the Son is inferior to the Father in His role or authority. However, the Son is NOT inferior to the Father in nature or deity (otherwise, they would be two gods instead of one). I've seen that quote before about the "majority of believers." When you look at that in context, Tertullian is not saying that the majority of the believers are monarchian. Instead, he is saying that the simple-minded Christian isn't familiar with how the Trinity works. But the whole Church believed in the Trinity. This can be seen in the fact that there is no Christian writer who preached one God in one Person. Throughout the whole Roman Empire, all the writers preached the same thing as Tertullian. This includes writers before him, like Theophilus, who first coined the term "Trinity" 25 years before Tertullian and on the other side of the Mediterranean. The quote you brought up has been twisted to fit their own beliefs. You can read Tertullian's words here. www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.iii.html God bless.
@@PostApostolicChurch Why are you looking at Tertullian? The head of the body of Christ "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Not reading it, although of course reading the bible is essential. How can you do Gods will if you do not know it?. However a video like this one, purposely avoiding dogma, is a good way "hear" (audibly), understand or at least contemplate the on the word more fully. The writings referenced to by authors whose name I can barely pronounce elevate my faith because many of the concepts have occurred to me before, and hearing it spoken makes me all the more sure I am on the right track. In that respect, this video is of great value to me, and I intend to watch as many as possible. I am an old sinner(64) saved by grace. Loved God all my life, taught in the Catholic tradition. Young people with no spiritual direction, these are good vids to acquaint you with the desire and nature of God. First being yes He most certainly exists. Start with that.
GOD IS ONE SPIRIT. READ WELL - THE ONENESS OF GOD AND IN GOD IS ESSENTIAL FOR OUR SALVATION. IT IS NOT - INTELLECTUAL CALCULATION THAT REVEALS THIS TO US BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH DISCERNMENT. ACTS 4 13 When they saw the boldness of Peter and John and realised that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and recognised that they had been with Jesus. JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. EPHESIANS 4:5-6 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL. ROMANS 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. JOHN 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” JOHN 14:20 IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I IN YOU. JAMES 2:19 YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE; YOU DO WELL. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE-AND SHUDDER! ZECHARIAH 14:9 AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE. JUDE 1:4 FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE CREPT IN UNNOTICED WHO LONG AGO WERE DESIGNATED FOR THIS CONDEMNATION, UN-GODLY PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO SENSUALITY AND DENY OUR ONLY MASTER AND LORD, JESUS CHRIST. ISAIAH 43:10 “YOU ARE MY WITNESSES,” DECLARES THE LORD, “AND MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN, THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELIEVE ME AND UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE. BEFORE ME NO GOD WAS FORMED, NOR SHALL THERE BE ANY AFTER ME. GALATIANS 3:20 NOW AN INTERMEDIARY IMPLIES MORE THAN ONE, BUT GOD IS ONE. 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, ISAIAH 45:21-22 DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE; LET THEM TAKE COUNSEL TOGETHER! WHO TOLD THIS LONG AGO? WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD? WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD? AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME. “TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH! FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER. ISAIAH 44:8 FEAR NOT, NOR BE AFRAID; HAVE I NOT TOLD YOU FROM OF OLD AND DECLARED IT? AND YOU ARE MY WITNESSES! IS THERE A GOD BESIDES ME? THERE IS NO ROCK; I KNOW NOT ANY.” ISAIAH 44:6 THUS SAYS THE LORD, THE KING OF ISRAEL AND HIS REDEEMER, THE LORD OF HOSTS: “I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, FROM WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND FOR WHOM WE EXIST, AND ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND THROUGH WHOM WE EXIST. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4 THEREFORE, AS TO THE EATING OF FOOD OFFERED TO IDOLS, WE KNOW THAT “AN IDOL HAS NO REAL EXISTENCE,” AND THAT “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE.” 1 CORINTHIANS 12:13 FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTISED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT. JOHN 17:21-23 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAST SENT ME… GOD BLESS YOU - ALL WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS ARE IN ONE SPIRIT FOR GOD IS ONE. IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR DOUBT DON'T HESITATE TO ASK ME. BETTER STILL PRAY TO THE LORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THE BREATHE OF GOD WILL ANSWER YOU. JOHN 20 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. JOB 32:8 BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT IN MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY THAT MAKES HIM UNDERSTAND. PRAISE THE LORD. MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””) 25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE [“””” GOD IS ONE “””” ] REVELATION 13 BELOW A KINGDOM DIVIDED >>> BUILT ON SAND OF THE TRINITY 3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET. THE TRINITY = THE TRINITY OF THE PAGANS - THERE IS NO OTHER TRINITY. FOR - “””” GOD IS ONE “””” 1 KINGS 18 21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. [THE TRINITY COULD BE THE MAIN IDOL OF BAAL IN THE END TIMES. IT IS THE MAIN IDOL THAT CHALLENGES THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF JESUS DIRECT. [ -WHO WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO EXPOSE AND CHALLENGE IT? - THE 2 WITNESSES OF COURSE - ] BUT THE 2 WITNESSES WILL BE CHALLENGED BY THE TRINITY OF THE DRAGON THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””) 25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE “””” GOD IS ONE “””” REVELATION 13 3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET. 1 KINGS 18 21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. ELIJAH REPEATS HIMSELF AS AN END TIME WITNESS. ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF JESUS IS YOUR LORD AND GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF THE TRINITY IS YOUR GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. 2 CORINTHIANS 3 3 I AM AFRAID, HOWEVER, THAT JUST AS EVE WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT’S CUNNING, YOUR MINDS MAY BE LED ASTRAY FROM YOUR SIMPLE AND PURE DEVOTION TO CHRIST. MATTHEW 11 25 AT THAT TIME JESUS DECLARED, “I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIDDEN THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND LEARNED, AND REVEALED THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN. 26 YES, FATHER, FOR THIS WAS WELL-PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.
THE LORD’S DAY IS NOT THE SUN’S - DAY BUT """ THE SON’S -DAY """
PSALM 2 12 KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY, AND YOU PERISH IN THE WAY, FOR HIS WRATH IS QUICKLY KINDLED. BLESSED ARE ALL WHO TAKE REFUGE IN HIM. HOW OR WHEN HAVE WE KISSED THE SON? WE ASK. MATTHEW 25 40 “THE KING - [THE SON] - WILL REPLY, ‘TRULY I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF MINE, YOU DID FOR ME.’ “- YES! - YOU HAVE KISSED THE SON -” JEREMIAH 22 16 HE TOOK UP THE CAUSE OF THE POOR AND NEEDY, AND SO IT WENT WELL. IS THIS NOT WHAT IT MEANS TO KNOW ME?” DECLARES THE LORD. JOHN 4 24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: = [ONE SPIRIT] AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. [“ - HOWEVER - ”] ! BEWARE OF KISSING IDOLS SUCH AS - !THE TRINITY! AND OTHER MAN MADE IDOLS. ACTS 17 29 - FOR AS MUCH THEN AS WE ARE THE OFFSPRING OF GOD, WE OUGHT NOT TO THINK THAT THE GODHEAD IS LIKE UNTO GOLD, OR SILVER, OR STONE, GRAVEN BY ART AND MAN'S DEVICE. FALSE IMAGES OF THE LORD IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE LORD. KINGS 19: 18 YET I HAVE PRESERVED SEVEN THOUSAND IN ISRAEL “WHOSE KNEES HAVE NOT BOWED TO BAAL AND WHOSE MOUTH HAS NOT KISSED HIM.” KISS THE SON - BUT """NOT THE SUN """
The modern English words for Saturday and Sunday come from the ancient Pagan Latin words Saturni(Saturn's day) and Solis (Sun day). The modern Italian word for Saturday is Sabato, which is a variation of the Hebrew word Shabbat or Sabbath day. The Italian word for Sunday is Domenica which literally means "the Lord's Day" or the day of the Lord's resurrection. Constitutions of the Holy Apostles Book II, Chapter LIX quote: “Be not careless of yourselves, neither deprive your Saviour of His own members, neither divide His body nor disperse His members, neither prefer the occasions of this life to the word of God; but assemble yourselves together every day, morning and evening, singing psalms and praying in the Lord’s house: in the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but principally on the Sabbath-day(Saturday). And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, (Sunday) meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead." Constitutions of the Holy Apostles: XXXIII. "I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions. Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord’s day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord’s day of the resurrection. Let slaves rest from their work all the great week, and that which follows it-for the one in memory of the passion, and the other of the resurrection; and there is need they should be instructed who it is that suffered and rose again, and who it is permitted Him to suffer, and raised Him again." Council of Laodicea, AD 364, on the outlawing of the observance of the Sabbath day in the Catholic Church, Canon 29: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath(Saturday), but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day(Sunday); and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. “
1 John 5:7 In Isaac Newton's writings he gave much attention to the doctrine of the Trinity. Using early Church writers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the first versions of the Bible, Newton proved that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” in support of the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures. He then traced the way in which the spurious reading crept into the Latin versions, first as a marginal note, and later into the text itself. He showed that it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript corrected from the Latin. You have Cyprian writing the corrupted text in 250 A.D. According to Newton it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 A.D. It appears the Trinitarians got the idea of adding this text from Cyprian into their Latin translation and then supposedly correcting a Greek manuscript they were copying with the corrupted Latin text.
Thank you for commenting. You are correct about that phrase in 1John 5:7. There is no evidence that this phrase existed before 350 AD. I'm glad most English translations do not include it. God bless you!
For goodness sakes people there is NO three persons, similar or otherwise in the Godhead. "There is one God and one lord Jesus our Savior, and the Messiah. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one" Gal. 3:20 "For he has set a day when he wll judge the world with justice by the man he has apponted. He has GIVEN proof of that to ALL MEN by Raising HIM from the dead." Acts 17:31. God Cannot die, God raised Jesus, not his "human mode" self!! HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN JUDGED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTN SON OF GOD." John 3:18. Wonder Why those who recite John 3:16 and 17 NEVER mention verse 18??????
With the benefit of hindsight and history it is easy to see that the weeds Jesus spoke of has been the Catholic church and her children. Sadly most protestants are still Catholic. Trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, solar worship rituals, just old wine in a new skin.
@@doriesse824 Hi Dorie, I honestly believe the Bible is the only authority any of us should have, however you might wish to consider the following. Mortal or immortal soul? The Bible provides an Occam's razor to separate the wheat from the chaff as it were, it is provided in Genesis. The Devil's first lie to Eve. “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God". The Devil claims that we do not die because of sin as God say's we do, he claims that something survives, he claims our soul is a spirit which survives the death of the body. God on the other hand is most adamant. "And Adam 'became' a living soul". The opposite of a living soul can only be a dead, non existent one. On this matter God is not ambiguous. "The soul that is sinning, it shall die". It is this lie more than any other that defines Babylon the Great, the empire of false religion. Any faith, pagan or 'Christian' that teaches you have an immortal soul originates with the Devil. Of course, if there is no immortal soul, Hell cannot be a place of eternal torment, and God is no longer a despot :). The Lake of Fire can now be seen for what it is, a metaphor for eternal non existence. The Trinity You will know this scripture well, but perhaps not in the form it should be understood. The words in brackets are the original Greek words used. In the beginning was the word (Logos), and the word (Logos) was with God (Ho Theos) and the word (Logos) was god (Theos). Note, the Logos, the word, was with God, not is God, note also that no mention is made of the Trinity's third person. God almighty is 'Ho Theos', THE God, he has the definitive article, however the Logos is described as 'Theos', no definite article. This denotes that the Logos is a little less than God. A more accurate translation is. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was 'divine". If we accept that the Logos is not God, or a part of God, then who is he? The Bible tells us the Logos is Michael the Archangel, God's unique creation. Everything else was made by him wielding God's limitless power through God's Holy Spirit, his active force. Michael the Archangel sits at the right hand of God, it is he who's position Satan wanted, he who speaks for God, he by name 'Who is like God!?'. When Jesus returns we are told he will come not as a man, but will return in his full glory, we are informed he will have the voice of an Archangel! This further emphasises the mortal nature of the soul, animal, human or angel. If Michael could come to Earth and die for us, then even God's only begotten son was a mortal being. Now of course God has given him life unto himself and he will do so for 144,000 more from among his most faithful followers, these are the saint's who will form a heavenly government with Christ as its head. Thankfully they are not chosen by human committee, they are chosen by him. If I have one bit if wisdom to share that is undeniable which transcends our differing viewpoints it is this. Many books have been written about man's faith in God, but I can only think of one source that explains how much faith God has in us :). Best regards Dorie.
@@donk1822 You didn't factor in the work Jesus came to do for our soul, to make it alive again through the remission of sin. What would have been the point of God creating us to just die forever? It is the combination of our spirit (which animates the body) and flesh that creates a "living soul". When Adam sinned, we could no longer be a "living" soul, but now the soul was "dead" until Jesus Christ came to earth, when we could be made alive again in Christ. The Lake of Fire has been so very misunderstood. It is a place of correction and refinement, like removing the impurities from gold in the refiner's fire. God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. Shall the will of God not prevail in the Universe?
Thank you for asking. I wrote a commentary on Hebrews that I used to teach a Bible class. I'll put my thoughts here... Rank is higher. (1) Some translations have “higher in rank” here. I do not know why is says "rank." The Greek says, “so much greater.” This is the same Greek word used in this study’s introduction. The point of Hebrews is that Jesus is GREATER. Here, the author says He is “so much greater” than the angels! (2) An interesting verb is used here. Hebrews says that Jesus “became” greater than the angels. Wasn’t Jesus always greater than the angels? Yes, I believe He was! What is it about Jesus which caused Him to become greater than angels-in a way that He wasn’t greater before? Based on the things Hebrews said before, Jesus would have become greater than the angels in how He created the universe (and the angels didn’t) or being appointed to inherit everything at His resurrection (and the angels didn’t) or making purification for sins (which angels can never ever do). Any of those ways prove that Jesus became greater than mere angels. After all, as we see in the next phrase about Jesus’ name, there are aspects in which Jesus was and had always been greater than angels. Name is superior. This aspect of why Jesus is greater is the main point of this chapter. Jesus is greater than angels because Jesus is a Son and an Heir. It is His inheritance from Father God that makes Him greater than the angels. As Hebrews will show by quoting the Old Testament, Jesus is the Son of God, and none of the angels were ever sons in a real sense. Jesus is a Son in a real sense.
They believed in neither. Paul declared in I Corinthians 8:6: yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. So who is Jesus? Peter correctly answered this question in Matthew 16:16 “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” From here we can clearly see that the living God is the Father of Christ. And if Christ is His Son then He inherited (Hebrews 1:4) Father’s divine nature just like my son is human because I’m human. This is why the Jews tried to stone Jesus in John 5:17-18 when He called God His Father MAKING HIM EQUAL WITH GOD. But Jesus said that the Father was great than He in John 14:28… meaning that the Father is older than His Son. The Father was greater than the Son in that He was first. The Son was equal to the Father in that He received all things from the Father. Please see John 5:26. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father (compare Luke 12:11-12, Matthew 10:19-20) and not a separate being from the Father or Son but their very PERSONAL presence. See Psalm 139:7. What you’re listening to here is nothing more than a philosophical idol being formed. An idol not formed by man’s hands but by men’s minds. I also once taught it because that was what I was taught. What I did I did in ignorance. It would be my privilege to study with you. I’m not a JW or not from any other mainline Christian denomination. I’m just a Christian… period. Blessings to you as you hunger and thirst for righteousness.
Thank you for asking. Firstly, I have never heard of Binity. Is there a church that believes in Binity? The Pre-Nicene Christians believed in the Trinity. As I studied their writings, I was surprised how well they understood the Trinity from the earliest writings. God bless you!
@@PostApostolicChurch In my point of view, there are two Persons in the unity of God, the Father and the Son. They both have their Holy Spirit being sent out. These are their Holy Spirit, their Person hood, and are and is God. When we read Spirit of God, it depends on who is sending but most likely and most of the time it's the Father's. We can also read Spirit of Christ in Romans. So, it is of Jesus' Spirit, not the Father's. There are also seven Spirits of God the Father. There are also seven Spirits of the Lamb. Jesus, the express image of His Father. In Paradise, there are only two thrones. I believe that the works of the Holy Spirits were already done that's why they went back to the Source seated on two distinct thrones of the Father and the Son.
@@johannestan8681 Thanks for saying. I have thought about that idea before... that the Holy Spirit is either the Father's spirit or the Son's spirit. I have wondered if that was the case. Sure, there are many passages in the Scriptures that might be interpreted that way. But there are other passages (I think of John chapter 14) where the Holy Spirit is spoken of by Jesus as being His own Person. For example, John 14:26, Jesus speaks of four different persons.... Father, Son, Spirit, and those listening to Jesus. Jesus says that the Counselor is... (1) sent by the Father, (2) sent in Jesus' name, (3) teacher of all things to those there. The way this verse is phrased, it appears that the Holy Spirit is a different entity/person than the Father, than the Son, and than people. That is, if this is the spirit of the Father, then the Father wouldn't send a spirit... the Father would send Himself. The same with Jesus. What do you think about John 14:26? I found where Jesus mentions two thrones in Rev 21. To me, it makes sense that the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, because the Holy Spirit is never made a King over anything. The Father gets a throne because He is the Source and the King over all things. The Son gets a throne, because He was made King by His Father. But I cannot think of how the Holy Spirit becomes king. Besides... just because the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, this does not mean that the Holy Spirit is not God. What other thoughts do you have?
@@PostApostolicChurch" 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." ---John 14:16. I think and believe that it is more true that there are two Persons in the One unity of God. The Holy Spirit is God, less in authority or rank, like what happened with the Son, because They were sent. Jesus said that He who sends is greater than He who is being sent. As for the throne of the Holy Spirit, you say that He doesn't have one because He was not crowned as King, as for me, looks like not a strong support for your insight. He should have a throne as well if He is a distinct God from the Father and the Son. The work of salvation was already consummated so the Holy Spirit should also already sit on His throne just like what Jesus did since They are all co equal unless like what I had explained that the Holy Spirit is a part of God; that He is not one Person but the Personhood of the Father and the Son being sent out. God has a spiritual body and within it His Holy Spirit resides and can be sent. The same with Jesus. To clarify: The Father sent His Holy Spirit with Jesus along with Jesus' Holy Spirit. So there are now four Spirits yet only two distinct Persons, the Father and the Son. The Another Comforter is another Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, begotten by the Holy Spirit of the Father whom He will send in Jesus name. I hope this illuminated Binity's understanding.
Yes, this video was done very well, and it is knowledge every Christian should be made award. BUT one needs discerment when it comes to understanding the difference bertween doctrinal creeds and the holy scriptures (the Word of God). It's very easy to be mislad on many issues if you're never questioned your most basic assumptions. You can be perfectly sincere in your search for the truth, but not be aware how your preconceived ideas are shaped by the thoughts of others. One can have a brilliant mind and be very sincere, nevertheless, sill be wrong. When I look at the trinity, I realize there is nothing there, it is a house of carrds - there is no triune God in the Scriptures. No-one worshiped one, and no-one talked about one. So why are we not only worshiping a triune God ,but making it a central doctrine and requirment of true" Christianity.The trinity arguments are so weak!
An easier way of understanding the Trinity is to go back to the story of creation in Genesis. When God created Adam, He blew the Breath of Life into Adam. When Mary conceived Jesus (a human) through the Holy Spirit, God the Father not only blew the Breath of Life into Jesus, He also blew His very own Spirit - the Spirit Of The Father - into Jesus' human body. So that Jesus was not only human, He was and is the very nature of the Father - fully human and fully God. When you understand that Jesus was fully human yet has the very nature of the Father, it becomes easier to understand passages such as God the Father telling Moses to tell the Israelites that I AM had sent him, and Jesus stating to the Pharisees that, before Abraham was, "I AM". Jesus is the God who led the Israelites out of Egypt.
The new testament says the Spirit came into Christ like a dove at his baptism not his birth. And no where in scripture do we read that Jesus was fully God and fully human.... We do find that even with Jesus having the attributes of God, the word and His spirit dwelling within him he did not consider equality with God something to be grasped/seized. (Keep in mind this is the promised covenant to all of us at the resurrection, not making any of us actually God) We know in 1 Corinthians 8 6 we are told explicitly that for us the Father is the only God and that Jesus is our lord/master. The shema tells us there is only one God, total. Numbers and Hosea tells us that God is not born of a woman and is not human. And Jesus tells us clearly that his father is the only true God in John. Jesus does not have to be God... He was born to be our Messiah and mediator between us and God, the man (the anointed) Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18 19 God tells us about Jesus and His word. Acts 3:18 26 tells us this man is indeed Jesus. We do not need to add our own interpretation to scripture it declares itself. May YHWH bless you!
Also when Jesus says 'I am' notice he said that Abraham saw his day and was glad... Not that he saw Abraham. This day is the prophetic Day of the Lord which all the prophets saw and believed in the Messiah to come. King David believed and knew he would be saved at a later time when the Messiah came and fulfilled prophecy. Also the scribes (woe to the scribes-Jesus warns) chose to capitalize and make it sound like when God says 'I am' when in fact other 'regular' people used that same phrase 'Ego Eimi' which really just means 'that's me'... The blind man, Paul, John the baptist and Jesus says it again in John 18:6.
@jawnatutorow When you start with an incorrect statement, the chances of you going wrong along the way are pretty high. The Holy Spirit did not only descend on Christ when He was being baptized by John. There are several verses that talk about Jesus being born of a virgin after being conceived by the Holy Spirit. For, example, Matthew 1:20. The descending of the Holy Spirit when Jesus was baptized by John is an example of frequent occurrences of the Holy Spirit descending on people who are worshipping God the Father. For example, after Jesus went to Heaven, the Holy Spirit descended onto the disciples. Then, after Peter healed a man who had been crippled for several years in Acts 4, after being threatened by the Pharisees for preaching the gospel of Christ and healing the man, when the disciples were praying, AGAIN, the Holy Spirit descended on them and shook the place. Interestingly, in Acts 4:25, Peter also talks about King David speaking through the Holy Spirit. So you are mistaken to state that the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus only once. We tend to overcomplicate the issue of the Trinity. The concept of the Trinity should not be that difficult to grasp if you believe that there is a Heaven, there is Earth and that God is omnipresent in both Heaven and Earth and the entire universe. God the Father is in Heaven. He is in Spirit form. The omnipresence of the Spirit of God in the Universe outside Heaven is the Holy Spirit. We humans are not spirit -we are flesh. The omnipresence of God in the flesh is Jesus Christ. That is why we must all come to the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. God has manifested Himself in the flesh through Jesus Christ.
@@kenyareads6918 I would ask you to look into the 'virgin birth' prophecy.... Because either there were two men born of a virgin or no man born of a virgin. The new testament did have a bit of mythology mixed in to it by, I'm assuming, well meaning men. But if it cannot be backed up by the old testament I wouldn't hold too tightly to it just because it is written in the new. Jesus was filled with the holy Spirit it didn't need to come again and again. This is the new covenant promise, Jesus being the first, the alpha, of the new covenant. The disciples were baptized in the spirit once.... It doesn't have to reappear often. It is in us when we accept Gods Spirit and moves us in different ways with different force. It doesn't keep entering us unless we blaspheme the Spirit and it leaves us completely.
The whole point of the biblical stoy is that the Son of God must be a biological descendant of Eve, Abraham and David. He must be truly a jew by linage. " I am so tired of "the Father and I are one" to solidify the Trinity. This verse and John 1:1 seems to be the consummate go-to verses to try and prove Jesus is God. Hence, what should I do with this explicit verse: " Jesus answered and said to him, if anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR abode with him" John 14:23 "That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, are in me, and I in Thee, that they also be be.....in US; that the world may believe that Thou didst send me" John 17:21 When Jesus says he is in God and God in him, why coulnd't this mean "in relationship with"?
1 Timothy 2:5 states that there is only One God who is the Father and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. John 14:23 proves that the Holy Spirit could not be a third God Person who lives in Spirit filled Christians because only the Father and Son abide in true NT believers. Thus, there can be no Trinity Doctrine. Scripture proves that the Holy Spirit of the Father descended upon the Hebrew virgin to become "the brightness of His glory and the express image of His Person." Thus, Heb. 1:3 proves that the Father's Person was reproduced (charakter) to become an authentic man person who could pray, be tempted, and suffer and die for our sins. Therefore, the Holy Spirit of the Father also became a human son as the indwelling Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17; Gal. 4:6). John 5:26 states that God has "granted the Son a life in himself." How could a God the Son be granted a life when a God the Son is supposed to have always existed? Thus, it is clear that the human child born and son given was granted a distinct human life by the Father. Jesus is therefore the image of the invisible God as the reproduced image of the invisible Essence of Being of the Father (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3). Matthew 1:20 proves that the Christ child was "conceived (ek) OUT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT." How could an alleged timeless God the Son have been conceived as the reproduced copy (see "charakter" Heb. 1:3) of the Holy Spirit's substance of being while being timeless? The trinity doctrine does not harmonize with the scriptural data.
Thanks so much for explaining. GIM said, "John 14:23 proves that the Holy Spirit could not be a third God Person who lives in Spirit filled Christians because only the Father and Son abide in true NT believers." This verse doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit. You are making an argument from silence, which is a logical fallacy. Just wanted you to know. You might want to use some other Scripture to disprove the Trinity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence GIM said, "Heb. 1:3 proves that the Father's Person was reproduced (charakter)" I would like to call your attention to what the author of Hebrews said. He does not say "Person" at all in this passage. He says "glory" and "nature." And Trinitarians believe that the Son does share the exact glory and nature of the Father. GIM said, "John 5:26 states that God has "granted the Son a life in himself." How could a God the Son be granted a life when a God the Son is supposed to have always existed?" Great question! When you look at the context, verse 24 explains that He is talking about eternal life. Both the Father and the Son have eternal life. GIM, said, "Matthew 1:20 proves that the Christ child was "conceived (ek) OUT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT." How could an alleged timeless God the Son have been conceived as the reproduced copy (see "charakter" Heb. 1:3)" Where you say "copy" or "character," I believe "engraving" is better (per Strong's Dictionary). God the Son always existed, and when He was born as a man, His human nature would be the akin to the Father's nature. Just as an engraver might engrave his own face into stone, so is Jesus Christ the engraved image of Father God. Thanks for asking those questions. I'm happy to share my answers with you. One question I still have for you is how can you say that "the Holy Spirit of the Father descended upon the Hebrew virgin to become" human ...when Matthew wrote that Mary's conception was FROM (very important word in the Greek) the Holy Spirit. The way Matthew wrote it leaves no room for the idea that the Holy Spirit BECAME the Son. Will you explain that? Blessings!
So many verses do not mention the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. Mark 13:32 says, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." If the Holy Spirit is a third true God Person of a three person deity, how is it that only the Father knows the time of Christ's second coming? The Holy Spirit is rarely mentioned in passages speaking about the Father and the Son because the Holy Spirit is not a third God Person. Jesus never prayed to the Holy Spirit as another distinct person because the Father is the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 1:3 says "Person" in many translations. It has been translated from "hypostasis" which means "Substance of Being." "Person" is closer to "Being" than "nature." So we could translate the passage in Heb. 1:3 as, "Who being the brightness of his glory and the express image of His Being." The context proves that the Son is the brightness and glory of the Father's Being who was reproduced (charakter) as the express image of the Father's Being. John 5:26 does not say, "eternal life." It says, "... so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself." For just as the Father has a distinct Divine life, so has he granted a distinct human life to the Son. English Standard Version For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. Berean Study Bible For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself. Berean Literal Bible For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He gave to the Son to have life in Himself. New American Standard Bible For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; CHARAKTER can also mean an "imprint" from an original which is the same thing is reproducing a copy. The meaning is an imprinted or engraved copy from an original. Again, how can a timeless Son be "imprinted" as a copied image of the invisible God? You wrote, "The way Matthew wrote it leaves no room for the idea that the Holy Spirit BECAME the Son. Will you explain that?" HELPS Word-studies1537 ek (a preposition, written eks before a vowel) - properly, "out from and to" (the outcome); out from within. 1537 /ek ("out of") is one of the most under-translated (and therefore mis-translated) Greek propositions..." The Son was granted a distinct life (John 5:26) "out from" - "out from within" or "from out of" the Holy Spirit's Substance of Being (Heb. 1:3) which is the Father's Being. How could the Son have come "out from within" the Holy Spirit's "substance of being" when a God the Son himself should have been the divine person to come down from heaven upon the virgin? How can a God the Son be said to have been conceived "out from within" another distinct God Person? Trinitarians cannot explain why the scripture has the wrong divine person coming down from heaven to become incarnate. Luke 1:35 also states that "the Holy Spirit shall come upon you" (upon the virgin) ... "and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God (NASB)." The only reason why the Son is called the Son of God is the NT reason given in Luke 1:35 which proves that the Son is the man who was supernaturally conceived - EK "out from within" the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:20) and EK - "out from within" the virgin (Gal. 4:4). "But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born OF (EK = "OUT FROM WITHIN) a woman, born under the Law," Gal. 4:4 Here we can see that Christ's divinity is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17 "the Lord is the Spirit) who partook of flesh and blood (Heb. 2:14) "out from within" Mary. Why do you use unscriptural titles such as "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" when the scriptures only use the title, "God the Father" as "the only true God" (John 17:3)?
there are so many scriptures show almighty god and jesus are seperate and that almighty is greater but to make it easier to understand is thes scriptures show jesus was created by almighty god so he is a creation a first born, colos 1:15 psalm 2:6-7 heb:1:5-6
After working through this group’s excellent presentation “Septuagint Series” which was really well supported and reasoned by the way … I then starting working through their “Divinity Series” and was quickly DISAPPOINTED. This poorly researched series should have been titled … “Divinity Series (supports for ignoring a plain reading of scripture)”. An UNBIBLICAL Roman Catholic Trinitarian bias is introduced from the outset in this first video. Statements by the Pre-Nicene Church Fathers (who appear to have differing understandings of Gods nature) are taken out of context and loaded with extra meaning. Most of these same Church fathers, elsewhere in their writings, clearly have a monotheistic view of God and a subordinate view of His Son Jesus. See the sources below. Later Trinitarian bias and man-centered reasoning is applied to the writings of the Church Fathers and to scripture giving us something else. Wherever the bible describes the simple unity of action or agreement between Father, Son, and Spirit … a form of Gnosticism or hidden knowledge in the form of the mysterious Roman Catholic trinity is added in. This isn’t bible folks! I was a Trinitarian for 40 years before I finally decided to put aside my indoctrinated man-made Trinitarian filter and do an in-depth study of the scriptures and Pre-Nicene Church fathers. What started this for me was trying to GENUINELY prove the Trinity to a new Christian convert (who left their family and Islam for Christianity). “The Trinity is a mystery, so just accept it” was never going to cut it for them. NOR SHOULD IT. We are not called to serve a God of confusion! I fairly quickly came to the position that my understanding of the nature of God was quite wrong (that was 7 years ago, and I am more than ever convinced of the biblical monotheistic presentation of Almighty God, and now have a corrected biblical understanding of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit). To my amazement, many of the confusing bible verses (Old and New Testaments) were no longer confusing when adhering to the bible’s strictly monotheistic teaching of Almighty God. This same monotheistic understanding has always been held by Jesus, the Apostles, the OT prophets, and YES - a decent majority of Pre-Nicene Church Fathers. BE WARY OF THE TRINITARIAN BIAS IN THIS SET OF TEACHINGS. Check your bible and go read more writings from these early Church Fathers. The presenter inventively uses a new term “The Divinity” as a vehicle to read in Trinity bias and then load statements from early church fathers as them being supportive of the LATER man-invented Trinity. "The Divinity" is his “straw-man” in all of this is (sounds a bit Gnostic or even pantheistic to me) … He goes on to say we need a better way of explaining “The Divinity” - a bait and switch for “God” used everywhere in the bible. STOP ... we need a right understanding of “Almighty God” the Father, Jesus his son, the Holy Spirit, and also the other usages of the word “god” BASED ON SCRIPTURE ALONE ... NOT this man-centered reasoning / interpretations of quite selective writings of later church Fathers who are clearly not in full agreement among themselves (in quite a few ways). Many of these same Church Fathers ALSO say things that are very monotheistic if you further explore their writings. One good place to start is with Sean Finnegan’s presentation “The Trinity before Nicea - 7 Early Theologians” (tinyurl.com/bddap4vz) who talks of some the above church Fathers. Another excellent in-depth exploration of what many early Church Fathers really understood about the “nature of God” is given here … tinyurl.com/59cxrxfd ... An excellent resource is provided by the ministry “Restitutio - Restoring Authentic Christianity” with their comprehensive teaching series on “Early Church History” (tinyurl.com/4uv4nx54).
It's very confusing you would say the Trinitarian view is Gnostic. Nothing could be more non-Trinitarian. To them, Christ was the first Aeon, an emanation of the Father, and not at all equal with "God".
and it's not candid form your side to ignore Arius vision even if you disageree with him you must be honest and show people all the pre-nicean christian views
Philo of Alexandria, an early christian convert, a Jewish Greek philosopher and a Platonist, introduced the concept of Trinity in the Christian Church. His student, Theophilus, modified the Concept of Trinity. It was Tertullian who defined and harmonized the Trinity Concept as it is now. Saint Athanasius, institutionalized the doctrine of Trinity after the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. adopted it as a doctrine of the Catholic Church
Thank you for commenting. While the writings of the early Christians are not necessary to our Christian lives, there is a whole lot of useful information that can build our faith. One of the things that the early Christians had that we do not were the traditions of the apostles. For example, Paul wrote, "Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter" (2Thes 2:15. Again, while the traditions left by word of mouth are not necessary for our Christian life, they can be useful because they came from the apostles. God bless!
Most of the traditions of the early Christians that are seen as apostolic are HOW some of the Biblical instructions can be followed. Some examples include baptism... it is for adults and it is for the forgiveness of sins and salvation. Lord's Supper... it was observed every week. Head coverings... the instructions Paul gives in 1Cor 11 were not seen as cultural or optional; they were seen as apostolic teaching. There are many more examples. In short, the early Christians' writings are useful to us in learning what the apostles meant behind the things they did write in the Scriptures.
If Jesus is not God in the flesh then we Christians are breaking and ignoring the first commandment of God. Also, if He is just an image of God and not God in flesh then the 2nd Commandment is ignored.
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read: But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read: What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.” Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread. 2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
I love Tertullian's illustration about the Son being the rays coming from the Sun, the Father. Or the river flowing from the spring. It demonstrates so very well how both Father and Son can be eternal, even if the Son comes from the Father.
Duke, I like the one given in Revelation. Jesus is the lamp and the light that shines outward from in the lamp is the Father. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
THE ONENESS OF GOD IS THE ESSENCE OF GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND IS A SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT AND NOT AN INTELLECTUAL CALCULATION FOR ALL OF GOD'S CREATION IS OF THE ONENESS OF GOD AND THOSE WHO CHALLENGE THAT ONENESS WILL BE DESTROYED. REVELATION 13 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, OF OUT - THE MOUTH OF THE BEAST AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE FALSE PROPHET. [ELIJAH OF THE 2 WITNESSES WILL POSSIBLY CHALLENGE - IT - THE TRINITY AND THE TRINITY'S INVOCATIONS WILL BE CALLED UPON TO HARM THE WITNESSES. BUT ELIJAH WILL REPEAT WHAT HE SAID TO THE UNBELIEVERS IN THE VERSES BELOW:-] 1 KINGS 18 21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. [ - ELIJAH REPEATS HIMSELF AS AN END TIME WITNESS.-] [ - ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. - ] 1 CORINTHIANS 10 21 YOU CANNOT DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD AND THE CUP OF DEMONS - [THE TRINITY] YOU CANNOT PARTAKE OF THE LORD’S TABLE AND OF THE TABLE OF DEMONS.] - [THE TRINITY] [ -AFTER THE 2 WITNESSES ARE “CALLED UP HITHER” THE TRINITY FOLLOWERS TURN AGAINST EACH OTHER; SOME SHOUTING WE HAVE BEEN DUPED AND SOME SHALL CALL ON HE NAME OF JESUS AND REPENTED.- ] SO NOW WHAT JESUS HAD :- MATTHEW 12 25 BUT JESUS KNEW THEIR THOUGHTS, AND SAID TO THEM: " EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF IS BROUGHT TO DESOLATION, AND “EVERY CITY OR HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT STAND.” “EVERY CITY OR HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT STAND.” MATTHEW 7 [BUILD YOUR HOUSE ON JESUS THE ROCK AND THE CORNERSTONE] 26 AND EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND DOES NOT DO THEM WILL BE LIKE A FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE SAND. [>>> THE TRINITY] 27 AND THE RAIN FELL, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW AND BEAT AGAINST THAT HOUSE, AND IT FELL, AND GREAT WAS THE FALL OF IT.” [ -THE TRINITY IS THE HOUSE BUILT ON SAND THE ROCK OF SIMON MAGUS POSSIBLY THE FIRST AND THE LAST POPE AND NOT IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS WHO IS THE ROCK AND THE CORNERSTONE.- ] PSALM 141 - LET THE WICKED FALL INTO THEIR OWN NETS, - WHILE I PASS BY SAFELY. PSALM 7 - 15 HE MAKES A PIT, DIGGING IT OUT, AND FALLS INTO THE HOLE THAT HE HAS MADE. [ -THE TRINITY IS PAGAN AND IS AN IDOL OF 3 OR MORE SPIRITS OF WICKEDNESS AND IS SATAN FEIGNED AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. IT OPPOSES EVERYTHING THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES US AND IT FEEDS GULLIBLE EGOS WITH LIES, FALSE IMAGES OF OUR LORD AND FEEDS FALSE DEVOTIONAL EMOTIONS, DOCTRINES AND CREEDS AND IDOLS OF ALL KINDS TO DISTRACT US FROM THE SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST. - ] 2 CORINTHIANS 11 3 I AM AFRAID, HOWEVER, THAT JUST AS EVE WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT’S CUNNING, YOUR MINDS MAY BE LED ASTRAY FROM YOUR SIMPLE AND PURE DEVOTION TO CHRIST. 1 CORINTHIANS 5 7 GET RID OF THE OLD YEAST, SO THAT YOU MAY BE A NEW UNLEAVENED BATCH-AS YOU REALLY ARE. FOR CHRIST, OUR PASSOVER LAMB, HAS BEEN SACRIFICED. 8 THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FESTIVAL, NOT WITH THE OLD BREAD LEAVENED WITH MALICE AND WICKEDNESS, BUT WITH THE UNLEAVENED BREAD OF SINCERITY AND TRUTH. JOHN 20 - 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. JOB 32 8 - BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT IN MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY THAT MAKES HIM UNDERSTAND. “” EUSEBIUS “” “IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,” HE WOULD NEVER HAVE QUOTED IT AS “IN MY NAME.” THUS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EARLIEST MANUSCRIPTS READ “IN MY NAME,” AND THAT THE PHRASE WAS ENLARGED TO REFLECT THE ORTHODOX POSITION AS TRINITARIAN INFLUENCE SPREAD. 2. IF MATTHEW 28:19 IS ACCURATE AS IT STANDS IN MODERN VERSIONS, THEN THERE IS NO EXPLANATION FOR THE APPARENT DISOBEDIENCE OF THE APOSTLES, SINCE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE OCCURRENCE OF THEM BAPTIZING ANYONE ACCORDING TO THAT FORMULA. ALL THE RECORDS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SHOW THAT PEOPLE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, JUST AS THE TEXT EUSEBIUS WAS QUOTING SAID TO DO. IN OTHER WORDS, THE “NAME OF JESUS CHRIST,” I.E., ALL THAT HE REPRESENTS, IS THE ELEMENT, OR SUBSTANCE, INTO WHICH PEOPLE WERE FIGURATIVELY “BAPTIZED.” “PETER REPLIED, ‘REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (ACTS 2:38). “THEY HAD SIMPLY BEEN BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (ACTS 8:16). “SO HE ORDERED THAT THEY BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (ACTS 10:48). “ON HEARING THIS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (ACTS 19:5). WE CANNOT IMAGINE ANY REASON FOR THE APOSTLES AND OTHERS IN ACTS TO DISOBEY A COMMAND OF THE RISEN CHRIST. TO US, IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT CHRIST SAID TO BAPTIZE IN HIS NAME, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE EARLY CHURCH DID. 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. JOB 5:13 HE CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS, AND THE SCHEMES OF THE WILY ARE BROUGHT TO A QUICK END. 1 CORINTHIANS 3:19 FOR THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD IS FOLLY WITH GOD. FOR IT IS WRITTEN, “HE CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS,” LUKE 10 21 AT THAT MOMENT HE WAS FILLED WITH JOY BY THE RUACH HAKODESH AND SAID, “FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, I THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU CONCEALED THESE THINGS FROM THE SOPHISTICATED AND EDUCATED, YET REVEALED THEM TO ORDINARY PEOPLE . YES, FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT IT PLEASED YOU TO DO THIS. 22 “MY FATHER HAS HANDED OVER EVERYTHING TO ME. INDEED, NO ONE FULLY KNOWS WHO THE SON IS EXCEPT THE FATHER, AND WHO THE FATHER IS EXCEPT THE SON AND THOSE TO WHOM THE SON WISHES TO REVEAL HIM.” JOHN 20 27 THEN HE SAID TO THOMAS, “PUT YOUR FINGER HERE; SEE MY HANDS. REACH OUT YOUR HAND AND PUT IT INTO MY SIDE. STOP DOUBTING AND BELIEVE.” 28 THOMAS SAID TO HIM, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” YES! WE ALL WILL BE IN THE ONENESS OF GOD IN FAITH - HUMILITY SPIRIT AND TRUTH. ISAIAH 6 FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN; AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER. AND HIS NAME WILL BE CALLED WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE. [ -THE LAMB OF GOD - THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN, THE LION OF JUDAH, THE ROOT OF DAVID, THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID - “THE STAR OF DAVID - THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.- ] [I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR VIDEOS WHICH HAVE BEEN A GREAT INSPIRATION TO ME.] GOD BLESS YOU AND PEACE BE UNTO YOU. PLEASE EXCUSE CAPS BUT I AM RATHER OLD THESE DAYS AND CAPS ON AIDS ME GREATLY.
All you, who do not believe in the Trinity, please contemplate on Ef 4,30: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” An energy cannot be grieved, nor should be named “whom” in the Bible. So who is the Holy Spirit?
G. Mancus consider the title itself...son means one born of a father Father means the one who brought forth a child...Spirit Refers to a different aspect for which we are not so well equipped to speak except through BIBLICAL examples and perhaps exorcism where Spirits of devil's are cast out of individuals. Hence we can understand the Spirit to be OF AN entity and can bring unity or division as Jesus said Ye know not what Spirit YE ARE OF PERHAPS we can say the Spirit is the mind of God which THE FATHER AND SON SHARE..THE LIFE which they offer to beget life in us who believe. Making us a new CREATION. However the trinity doctrine does not allow for true Fatherhood of God or of the Death of CHRIST.
Realize that God and Jesus are one. God entered humanity as Jesus, taught us to live as his children and to follow his example. He went back to heave as a savior and as a King of all. There is no trinity. It has always been God and he sacrificed his body to save us.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Three in ONE! The bible is CLEAR on this Fact.. If you came to a different conclusion while reading the Holy Scriptures, then REREAD THEM...
Actually the Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible. The Bible is very clear the Almighty God Jehovah is one and there is no other. Jesus is the created one of Jehovah, Jesus was created as the firstborn of creation and all things were created through him. Jesus prayed to and worshipped Jehovah as his God. Satan tempted and tested Jesus' loyalty to Jehovah. Jesus responded by quoting the law that it was Jehovah alone who is to worshipped. Jesus maintained his faithfulness until death and set the example for us. All a Jew had to do to become a Christian was to accept Jesus as the messiah, there is not a word about the Trinity. No one in the Bible mentions, teaches or explains it. It doesn't exist in the Bible. There is no revealing or first appearance of the Trinity in the Bible. It is a post biblical doctrine that appeared as part of the foretold apostasy. The post Biblical development of the Trinity is revealed in the writtings of the early church fathers. The modern Trinity took hundreds of years to take shape. A doctrine completely unknown to biblical writers and in complete conflict with the nature of both Jehovah God and his son Jesus. To find the Trinity in the Bible, a Trinitarian has to project the Trinity into the Bible. Because simply reading the Bible without preconceptions doesn't reveal anything like a Trinity doctrine.
Awakened2Truth, You said a lot of things. In love, I would love to discuss this with you, but it would be better to wait until after my next two videos which will make things more clear by looking more seriously at the Scriptures. You made lots of claims to history, and I hope that you can deliver historical evidence for what you said. But please, I humbly ask that you wait until after the third video in a few weeks to comment again so we can discuss this important issue. And I hope we can do so in love. I wish you God’s blessings as we live this life and strive to understand God’s truth.
The Trinity is Biblical and it explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD like in Numbers 11:25. I know it is true because I was taken in Spirit and seen The Biblical GOD. But there is no God but CHRIST JESUS.
@@PrintOfLife Biblical Trinity it's explained clearly as The Father is (God) Jesus Christ the Son is (God) and the Holy Spirit is (God) but they're "only One God"....not 3 Gods
obed v The Lord JESUS CHRIST is the only God and Sovereign (Jude 1: 4). HE came into the very world HE created but the world did not recognized HIM. That’s John 1:10.
Some pre nicean believed 3 persons but many more did NOT. What did the pre Christian believers believe now that would be an interesting question as history tells us the apostles and early disciples did not call themselves Christians. If your going back trace the whole thread available.
Thank you for commenting. I'm not familiar with even one pre-Nicene Christian who did not believe in three Persons. Which one(s) did not believe in three Persons? God bless you!
"" GET OVER IT " GOD IS ONE "" GOD IS ONE SPIRIT. JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. EPHESIANS 4:5-6 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL. MARK 12:29-32 ROMANS 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. JOHN 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” JOHN 14:20 IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I IN YOU. JAMES 2:19 YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE; YOU DO WELL. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE-AND SHUDDER! ZECHARIAH 14:9 AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE. IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES - TO THE GLORY OD GOD THE FATHER FOR THEY ARE ONE.
Mathematically speaking you are saying. It's not 1+1+1 But it is 1x1x1 But has anyone looked at this theory. The Holy Spirit IS the Word of God? "the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE" .... I shall await anyone who can respond to this inquiry. Shalom
Thank you for commenting! I really like the idea of 1x1x1. That is very good. In that verse, it looks like "words" is meant literally. Those are the words that are coming out of Jesus' mouth. But when it comes to the Word of God (not literal, spoken words), the Bible applies this to Jesus, the Son. Regarding a figurative representation of the Holy Spirit, there are times in the Bible where He is called the Wisdom of God. God bless!
@@PostApostolicChurch So are you saying the Holy Spirit is the Wisdom of God rather than the Word (as I alluded to)? Just want to clarify for edification.
@@PostApostolicChurch So is it safe to say that the Wisdom comes after the Word? Meaning I gain the wisdom after searching it out? Or the Wisdom is what helps to understand the Word? Hope I'm making sense.
@@WiggTheMobileBarbR Good question. In "lower case letters," yes. "words are given, and wisdom is gained" But when it comes to "upper case letters," I would not say that Wisdom (Holy Spirit) comes from the Word (Jesus Christ) in the same way that wisdom comes from words. The Word and Wisdom are sent by the Father. But I might be getting too theologically deep now. I'll put it this way: words are given, wisdom is gained (this comes from things like the book of Proverbs) The Word and Wisdom are given to humanity (These come from God)
MATTHEW 28 - 19 IS A FORGERY. "" COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE. "" 2. If Matthew 28:19 there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptising anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptised into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptised.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptised, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptised into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptised in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptised into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptise in his name, and that was what the early Church did. MATTHEW 28 v 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
Dionysius, third-century bishop of Alexandria, wrote a treatise against millennialism, and, in order to prevent those who adhered to this opinion from basing their belief on the Revelation of John.
Cyprian quotes the Johannine Comma, found in the Byzantine Manuscripts, or called the “Majority Text”. Pretty fascinating & this was dated in 250 AD. So we have evidence that some of the early church favored manuscripts that seemed to have what is found in the Majority Text. Thoughts?
Thank you for commenting. You are correct. On the side, I'm going through differences between the Byzantine and Alexandrian families. I'm looking to see how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted them. For example, the first difference is in Matt 1:25. The Byzantine manuscripts say that Jesus was Mary's firstborn son. The Alexandrian manuscripts leave out "firstborn." So I looked at how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted Matt 1:25. Some included firstborn and some left it out. As I continued looking at quotations, so far my conclusion is that the Pre-Nicene Christians did not favor one manuscript family over another. I don't think one family is superior to the other. What we know for sure is that the differences between Byzantine and Alexandrian existed during the Pre-Nicene period. God bless you!
Thank you for commenting. I must admit: I believe the same thing you said, until I did some research. While some translations have put "Godhead" into the Bible, that is not the Greek word that is used there. When I researched the first time "Godhead" appeared, it first appeared with John Wycliffe.
Thank you for commenting. The Pre-Nicene Christians believed that, at the resurrection of all people, the righteous will be changed. They will gain some of the attributes of the divine God. This includes attributes like immorality, never again being susceptible to sicknesses or sin, and being able to live in Father God's presence. The best place to get an understanding of this is 1Corinthians 15. In that chapter, Paul talks a lot about this transformation, which will happen at the resurrection of all people. If you have any other questions about this, feel free to ask away. God bless you!
You sound like a Catholic Jesus becomes your father when you're born again it's all explained in one word his name in Hebrew is YAHushua. 7 names for God in Isaiah 9:6 and his name shall be called wonderful counselor who is the Holy Spirit The Mighty God Jesus's name is the Mighty God and there's only one God and His Name shall be called the Everlasting father and his name is Jesus we know him in Hebrew as Yahweh is salvation YAHushua
To be sure Christian sects and denominations differ. Sometimes even on primary issues. What sets Christianity apart then is that we have the revealed word of God by which believers are to test all things. This revelation is unique in its transmission through history via thousands of surviving manuscripts which are seperated by time and geography and is affirmed by the early writings of the church fathers. I agree that Christian sects differ but we can stand firm on God's word and with his spirit identify the truth.
The dual natuare hypotheses - the God-man. What a crock! Divine nature and human nataure cannot be set side by side and numbered as if they were similar quantities. The Chalcedonian formula makes a genuine humanity impossible. The Council calls Jesus true God. The NT shies away from calling Jesus God. 1 Tim. 1:5 " For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."
What do you think of this of this Scripture? John 20:27-29. Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.” Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Those who believe without seeing are blessed.”
@@PostApostolicChurch compare this with Jesus's response to Peter in Mathew16:15-17 I feel that Jesus was not too happy with Thomas's lack of faith. He did not correct Thomas calling Him Lord and God bcos even satan is called the god of this world. So what more Jesus, through whom The Father created all things.I have to say though that I enjoyed and appreciate the info you have shared. thanks!
" I go to THE FATHER, for THE FATHER is GREATER than I" . John 14:28. , I ascend unto my FATHER and your FATHER; and to my GOD, and your GOD. John 20:17, "My GOD, My GOD, why have You forsaken Me? Mark 15:34. Jesus has a GOD, he said it, now please stop, you think THE LIVING ETERNAL GOD died for three days?
Typical jw response. Of course Jesus was lower, but only during that time he was here on Earth. He chose to humble himself and give up his throne to take the role of a servant to teach us the example of the perfect faith that's expected from him.
Interesting points and yet many of them do not prove a trinity of three persons that are co equal, coneternal. More so it proves three distinctions of one all powerfuly God who can be father son and Holy Ghost at the same time, and as many stated its a more economic trinity yet coming from one God. The co equal and co eternal aspects came from many of the gnostics and thats what tended to be adopted here but none of these early fathers would agtee with how the trinity is now adays and would call it paganism in how much they get divided up.
I agree with Ireneous 🔥🙏🏾one God the Father is declared who is above all and through all and in all The Father is 8ndeed above all and he is the Head of Christ ….but the Word is through all things and is Himsekf the Head of the church while the Spirit is in us all❤️🔥💜🙏🏾
The father is spirit and holy, the holy spirit dwelled in the son, the son came from the bosom of the father. God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Ensure you are worshipping the Spirit
I think it's good to look into these types of non biblical writings including the apocrypha just to get a better idea of the mindset of the early church. But you need to have the sense God gave a cow and eat the grass but leave the sticks
My thing I don’t think they taught that the Son of God always was the Son begotten from eternity , He was the Word so it’s important to note that the Word became the son. And The Son is Divine , the 3 are one as John says
Unity is a primary message throughout scripture. Jesus' prayer to his Father is full of talk of unity and inheritance of authority. Nowhere in scripture is trinity elevated in importance. I'm not proclaiming that there are no trinitarian ways of perceiving divinity, only that it seems to be not accurate without being limiting. How do we know that we are only acknowledging the three aspects of The Divine we are aware of: Father, Son and Spirit -- and there are actually more that we cannot conceive of? Throughout the Bible, God stresses His Unity to me through the ministry of the Son who sends the Holy Spirit, which testifies about the Son, which testifies about the Father.
John 17:20 20 “I do not pray for these alone [it is not for their sake only that I make this request], but also for [all] those who [will ever] believe and trust in Me through their message, 21 that they all may be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe [without any doubt] that You sent Me.
Thank you for commenting. Perhaps because the point of this video is to point out the mystery (unknowables) about the nature of God. I recommend watching the rest of the videos in this series; they are about the knowables about the nature of God. From your statement of belief, you already have a good understanding of the nature of God. :) God bless you!
Please help me understand John 8 and do this for me, where it says Father insert the word "God" since you believe the Father is God. Where it says Jesus insert the word "God" since you believe Jesus is also God. And where you believe it's speaking of the triune being would you please insert the word "triune being." Thanks for your help.
Do you mean insert the word "Father" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Father, and inserting the word "Jesus" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about Jesus, and insert the word "triune being" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Divinity?
Post-Apostolic Church Now each person is God so insert the word God for them both and where it's the triune being that is being spoken of insert triune being. It makes perfect sense if your doctrine is true.
Sure thing. I have pasted John 8 below. I cannot straight up replace all their names with “God,” because as I said in my video, that gets confusing on who is talking about who. Remember, “God” simply means deity. So the short answer is: Jesus is deity and the Father is deity (but they are not two Gods). So I will do my best to do what you asked and capitalize the names so help people understand what John was trying to write. Please let me know if what I did below doesn’t make sense. 1 But GOD JESUS went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn He went to the temple complex again, and all the people were coming to Him. He sat down and began to teach them. 3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Him, “this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?” 6 They asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him. GOD JESUS stooped down and started writing on the ground with His finger. 7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the ground. 9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center. 10 When GOD JESUS stood up, He said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, Lord,” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you,” said GOD JESUS. “Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.”] 12 Then GOD JESUS spoke to them again: “I am the light of the world. Anyone who follows Me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to Him, “You are testifying about Yourself. Your testimony is not valid.” 14 “Even if I testify about Myself,” GOD JESUS replied, “My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I’m going. But you don’t know where I come from or where I’m going. 15 You judge by human standards. I judge no one. 16 And if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and GOD the FATHER who sent Me judge together. 17 Even in your law it is written that the witness of two men is valid. 18 I am the One who testifies about Myself, and GOD the FATHER who sent Me testifies about Me.” 19 Then they asked Him, “Where is GOD Your FATHER?” “You know neither Me nor GOD My FATHER,” GOD JESUS answered. “If you knew Me, you would also know My Father.” 20 He spoke these words by the treasury, while teaching in the temple complex. But no one seized Him, because His hour had not come. 21 Then He said to them again, “I’m going away; you will look for Me, and you will die in your sin. Where I’m going, you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews said again, “He won’t kill Himself, will He, since He says, ‘Where I’m going, you cannot come’?” 23 “You are from below,” He told them, “I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” 25 “Who are You?” they questioned. “Precisely what I’ve been telling you from the very beginning,” GOD JESUS told them. 26 “I have many things to say and to judge about you, but the One who sent Me is true, and what I have heard from Him-these things I tell the world.” 27 They did not know He was speaking to them about GOD the FATHER. 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man (AND SON OF GOD), then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own. But just as GOD the FATHER taught Me, I say these things. 29 The One who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.” 30 As He was saying these things, many believed in Him. 31 So GOD JESUS said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples. 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 “We are descendants of Abraham,” they answered Him, “and we have never been enslaved to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will become free’?” 34 GOD JESUS responded, “I assure you: Everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 A slave does not remain in the household forever, but a son does remain forever. 36 Therefore, if GOD the Son sets you free, you really will be free. 37 I know you are descendants of Abraham, but you are trying to kill Me because My word is not welcome among you. 38 I speak what I have seen in the presence of GOD the FATHER; therefore, you do what you have heard from your father.” 39 “Our father is Abraham!” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” GOD JESUS told them, “you would do what Abraham did. 40 But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God (THE FATHER). Abraham did not do this! 41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father-God.” (I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PEOPLE MEANT “GOD” HERE. I WOULD GUESS THEY ARE SAYING, “We have one spiritual father-the triune God.”) 42 GOD JESUS said to them, “If THE TRIUNE God were your (SPIRITUAL) Father, you would love Me, because I came from God THE FATHER and I am here. For I didn’t come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Who among you can convict Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe Me? 47 The one who is from THE TRIUNE God listens to THE TRIUNE God’s words. This is why you don’t listen, because you are not from God.” (THIS LAST “GOD” COULD BE USED BOTH WAYS. EITHER triune god OR god the father WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE.) 48 The Jews responded to Him, “Aren’t we right in saying that You’re a Samaritan and have a demon?” 49 “I do not have a demon,” GOD JESUS answered. “On the contrary, I honor GOD My Father and you dishonor Me. 50 I do not seek My glory; the One who seeks it also judges. 51 I assure you: If anyone keeps My word, he will never see death-ever!” 52 Then the Jews said, “Now we know You have a demon. Abraham died and so did the prophets. You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste death-ever!’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham who died? Even the prophets died. Who do You pretend to be?” 54 “If I glorify Myself,” Jesus answered, “My glory is nothing. GOD My Father-you say about Him, ‘He is our TRIUNE God’-He is the One who glorifies Me. 55 You’ve never known Him, but I know Him. If I were to say I don’t know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him, and I keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day; he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 The Jews replied, “You aren’t 50 years old yet, and You’ve seen Abraham?” 58 GOD JESUS said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.” 59 At that, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But GOD JESUS was hidden and went out of the temple complex.
Post-Apostolic Church that's a God of mass confusion you have there. You see if Jesus were a man like it was repeated by everyone in the Scriptures until the Gnostics, of which John addressed in his letters, we have no confusion and the Scriptures all make sense without all the fables and contradictions that the trinity creates. The early church you quoted saying the Father and son are one doesn't prove anything unless we too are a fourth part of the so called triune being. You're trying to read into their writings this pagan gnostic trinity concept like you're going to do to the Scriptures with presupposed presuppositions. Trinitarians do not considered "the whole counsel of God" on the matter while hypocritically ignoring any and every fact of Scripture which does not suit the Trinity. I know it's true for I was a guilty culprit myself of doing this. Jesus said - "I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Me through their message. May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. I have given them the glory You have given Me. May they be one as We are one. I am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so the world may know You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me." (John 17:20-23) "But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Cor. 6:17) Tertullian was just crazy as all get out when it came to understanding who God was by nature as he explained "as a mystery." God never said he was a mystery. He actually said we CAN know Him. Jesus prayed to the only God, the FATHER, that we may know Him. "This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ." John 17:3
Thanks for discussing this with me. I hope you'll stick around for my next two videos (especially the third), because they make the Divinity so much more clear.
Theophilus of Antioch was an early Semi-Arian who denied the full deity of Christ. “God then, having his own Word internal, within His own bowels BEGOT HIM, EMITTING HIM ALONG WITH WISDOM BEFORE ALL THINGS (before the creation of material things) emitting him along with wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by him he made all things.” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 10) Notice that Theophilus of Antioch taught that the “Word (logos)” was “internal, within His (the Father’s) own bowls” before the Word (logos) was actually begotten! Hence, according to Theophilus, the Father “begot him (the Son), emitting him along with wisdom before all things.” Thus we can see that Theophilus taught that the Son was begotten by God the Father, “emitting him along with wisdom before all things (before creation).” Theophilus' idea of a Trinity (trias in Greek) was that the Word and the Wisdom of God were emitted (literally "ejected") by God the Father from His "own bowls." This sounds nothing like two other coequally distinct true God Persons of later Trinitarian doctrine. Theophilus wrote, “In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the trinity (Greek trias) of God, and His Word, and His wisdom” (Theophilus, Apology to Autolycus, Book I 15). What text of scripture states that the Holy Spirit is the Father's Wisdom? 1 Corinthians 1:24 states that Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God? "Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:24 According to Theophilus, the Word (logos) always existed within the heart of God the Father before becoming a personal Son. Hence, the Word and Wisdom of God that “always exists was begotten (born) first.” Then the Father used the newly begotten Son (born before creation) to create all things. “… as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God. For before anything came into being he had him as a counsellor, being his own mind and thought. But when God wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22) It is interesting that Theophilus and the early Semi-Arians taught that the impersonal Word (Logos) of the Father always existed within the heart of God and that “before anything came into being he (already) had him as a counselor, being HIS (the Father’s) OWN MIND AND THOUGHT.” “But when God wished to make ALL THAT HE DETERMINED, He begot His Word (“His own mind and thought”)” by uttering “the firstborn of all creation.” Where did Theophilus (an early second century teacher) get the idea that the Word (logos) is the eternal “mind and thought” of God the Father that was begotten later on in time? Theophilus’ spin on the impersonal logos (word) that later became personal likely came from the early Modalists who were the majority of believers at that time (see Tertullian, Against Praxeus, Chapter 3). The theology of Theophilus and other Semi-Arians at that time, differed from the Modalists in that they taught that the Son was begotten (born) twice (once before the incarnation and again in the incarnation). In contradistinction, the Modalists also taught that the Son impersonally pre-existed in the Father’s heart as “His own mind and thought” which served as His own Wisdom and Council (Ephesians 1:11) before being made flesh as the living breathing Messiah. Take a closer look at the teaching of Theophilus and you will find that he also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view that the Word (Logos) was the impersonal mind and thought of the Father that served as His own Wisdom and Council before the “foreknown” Son was actually begotten (1 Peter 1:20, Hebrews 1:5, Psalm 2:7). “… the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God (the Father). For before anything came into being HE HAD HIM AS A COUNSELLOR, BEING HIS OWN MIND AND THOUGHT. But when God (the Father) wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22) According to Theophilus, God the Father used His impersonal word (logos), “being His own MIND and THOUGHT”, to plan out what He pre-“determined on” before the Son was actually begotten. Theophilus’ teaching about the impersonal Word (Logos) being the Father’s own mind and thought which served as His own council before actually being born as the Son, reminds me of The Shepherd of Hermas, Similitude 9:12 (written about 100 years before Theophilus). Will the author be willing to stand for his views as expressed in these videos in a moderated debate? He can personally contact me on the Contact Page of my website at ApostolicChristianFaith .com
Theophilus' statements make sense to me. He did not say that the Word was created by God, but begotten by Him. These concepts sound the same to us, but in the ancient Christian thought and Greek language, these are to different concepts. They tried to bring this out in the Nicene Creed, saying that the Word was begotten, not made. This difference between begotten and created is an important difference. The Word always existed and is fully divine, just as Paul explicit said (Col 2:9). None of the early Christians rejected that verse; they completely believed it. They wrote that the Father is the Source and the Son derives everything from that Source. Just as light finds its source in the Sun, so does the Word find His source in the Father. One does not exist without the other. It's a matter of hierarchy--as I explained in my video on the Persons of God. th-cam.com/video/dxqQWgi5CZc/w-d-xo.html You asked about the the Father's Wisdom. There are Scriptures that give the Word the title of Wisdom, and there are Scriptures that give the Spirit the title of Wisdom. The early Christians did the same, giving that title to both the Son and the Spirit. You said that Theophilus also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view. How can he teach two views at the same time when those views describe two incompatible things? Either Theophilus believed in the Persons of God or he believed in only one Person of God. It is impossible to believe in both at the same time. Blessings and so forth.
Theophilus taught that the word (logos = "expressed thought") of the Father is the Father's "OWN MIND AND THOUGHT" which God used to create all things as "the council of His own will" (Ephesians 1:11). Many Oneness apologists such as D. K. Bernard state that God the Father created all things through His own "expressed thought" (logos) which was the Father's thought about His future child born and son given. David Bernard wrote, “…God predicated the entire work of creation upon the future manifestation of the Son. God foreknew that man would sin, but He also foreknew that through the Son man could be saved and could fulfill God's original purpose in creation. As John Miller stated, ‘Though He did not pick up His humanity till the fullness of time, yet He used it, and acted upon it, from all eternity’” (Essentials in Oneness Theology, p. 21, by D. K. Bernard). Ephesians 1:4-5 (BSB), “For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ…” Scripture informs us that God chose Christ as His chosen servant (Isaiah 43:10; Micah 5:2) within His foreknown mind and plan, and then He chose His elect in Christ “before the foundation of the world.” God did not literally create His elect in Christ “before the foundation of the world” because verse five goes on to say that “He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ.” To be predestined as sons through Jesus Christ is not the same thing as being literally created before the foundation of the world. Therefore we know that God first preconceived all things in His own mind and planning through Jesus Christ before the actual creation ever took place. Theophilus essentially taught the same thing that we are saying about God using His foreknown son (1 Peter 1:20) in planning out His future creation because Theophilus also taught that God first planned and prearranged all things through his "foreknown son" (the son was not actually living yet in God's "expressed thought" = "logos"). Theophilus differed from our view in that he taught that the Son was later literally begotten or emitted as a living pre-incarnate Son to physically create all things before Christ's physical conception and birth at Bethlehem. Take a closer look at the teaching of Theophilus and you will find that he also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view that the Word (Logos) was the impersonal mind and thought of the Father that served as His own Wisdom and Council before the “foreknown” Son was actually begotten (1 Peter 1:20, Hebrews 1:5, Psalm 2:7). “… the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God (the Father). For before anything came into being HE HAD HIM AS A COUNSELLOR, BEING HIS OWN MIND AND THOUGHT ..." ONENESS THEOLOGY AGREES WITH THIS PART OF THEOPHILUS BUT NOT THE SECOND PART WHICH SAYS, "... But when God (the Father) wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22) Even Trinitarian Catholic scholars admit that Theophilus of Antioch was a "Semi-Arian" who believed that the Son had a literally beginning as a created Son before creation. Under ARIANISM, The New Advent Encyclopedia states that Athenagoras, Tatian, Theophilus of Antioch, Hippolytus, Novatian, Tertullian, and Methodius were semi-Arians. "Arianism from an early date affirmed the likeness, either without adjunct, or in all things, or in substance, of the Son to the Father, while denying (denied) His (Christ’s) co-equal dignity and co-eternal existence. These men of the Via Media were named Semi-Arians. They approached, in strict argument, to the heretical extreme; but many of them held the orthodox faith, however inconsistently; their difficulties turned upon language or local prejudice, and no small number submitted at length to Catholic teaching." "The Semi-Arians attempted for years to invent a compromise between irreconcilable views, and their shifting creeds, tumultuous councils, and worldly devices tell us how mixed and motley a crowd was collected under their banner. The point to be kept in remembrance is that, while they affirmed the Word of God to be everlasting, they imagined Him as having BECOME THE SON to create the worlds and redeem mankind." (in other words, the Son did not always exist as the Son but HE BECAME THE SON in order to create the worlds and redeem mankind). "Five ante-Nicene Fathers are especially quoted: Athenagoras, Tatian, Theophilus of Antioch, Hippolytus, and Novatian, whose language appears to involve a peculiar notion of Sonship, AS THOUGH HE DID NOT COME INTO BEING or were not perfect until the dawn of creation. To these may be added Tertullian and Methodius. Cardinal Newman held that their view, which is found clearly in Tertullian, OF THE SON EXISTING AFTER THE WORD, IS CONNECTED WITH THE ANTECEDENT WITH ARIANISM.”
Sorry I didn't share Scriptures about the Holy Spirit being Wisdom. Yes, there are Scriptures showing that Christ is Wisdom. First, there is Prov 8:22-31. It doesn't say explicitly, but this could be referring to either the Word or to the Holy Spirit. Second, another book that calls the Holy Spirit Wisdom is the Book of Wisdom. I'm sure this book is not in your Bible, but this book was considered Scripture by Christians from the beignning of Christianity until Martin Luther took it out. If you don't want to consider it as evidence that the Holy Spirit is also called Wisdom, then that is OK. I just wanted to share it because it was considered Scripture during apostolic Christianity (it looks like John and Paul refer to it numerous times). See Wisdom chapters 1 and 7. I believe it is from these passages (and Prov 8) why the Pre-Nicene Christians also referred to the Holy Spirit as Wisdom. Irenaeus wrote about the Holy Spirit also being Wisdom. If you want, you can read it here. www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vi.xxi.html ----- How can God the Son been begotten by being uttered? I shared earlier that "begotten" was used very differently in the Greek language from how we use it today. Begotten doesn't always mean "fathered," and it rarely meant "created." From the way you explained Theophilus' words, he was using it as "originator." That is, the Father uttered the words, commands to create the universe. In that way, the Son went and created the universe just as the Father spoke it. So the Father's command begot the Son's actions. The Pre-Nicene Christians used "begot" this way numerous times. You see, the Son always existed with the Father and in the Father. It was when the Father commanded the Son to create that the Son was begotten from the Father to create all things. Also, the Son always existed, but when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she gave birth to the Son, the Son was again begotten--this time begotten both from Mary and from God. About begotten used in this way, Tertullian said the following. The sending and the making are also ways the Son was begotten. The Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, just as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and again, He who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another. (Tertullian. AD 213. ANF, vol 3, page 604.) www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.ix.html If He [the Son] is also God, according to John who said, "The Word was God,"* then you have two Beings: One that commands that the thing be made and the Other that creates. However, in what sense you should understand Him to be another [Person], I have already explained [it to be] on the ground of personality, not of substance. [They are different] in the way of distinction, not of division. (Tertullian. AD 213. ANF, vol 3, page 607.) * John 1:1 www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.xii.html For Scripture about the Son begin begotten in this way from God, see Ps 2:7-9 (giving the Son all authority), Acts 13:32-35 (raising the Son from the dead), Heb 1:3-6 (the Son sitting at God's right hand), Heb 5:1-8 (appointing the priesthood to the Son). Blessings to you.
I could not find where Irenaeus allegedly spoke of the Holy Spirit as "wisdom." If you had such a quote, why did you not just copy and paste it here? I have read the Wisdom of Solomon and I cannot recall where it says that the Holy Spirit is wisdom either. Again, if you had such evidence, why did you not just cite it here? The Greek Septuagint is merely a translation from the Hebrew scriptures. The word "yalad" used in Psalms 2:7 which says, "You are My son, this day have I begotten you" has everything to do with being born and nothing to do with your wild speculation that "... the Father's command begot the Son's actions." The same Hebrew word "yalad" is used for the birth's of Cain and Abel in Genesis 4:1-2. Could Cain and Abel have been commanded to beget their actions? If so, please cite a single verse of scripture to back up such a crazy idea? It seems that you have decided to follow Tertullian more than the scriptures regarding the Son being begotten twice! The NT clearly teaches that Jesus was "the firstborn of all creation" (Col. 1:15) in the mind and planning of the Father just as he was already "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). For how else can Trinitarians explain Revelation 3:14 in which Jesus said that he was "the beginning of the creation OF God?" Jesus had to be the beginning of the creation in God's mind and planning as "the firstborn of all creation" before God created everything else in His own "logos" ("expressed thought"). No verse in the entire Bible says that Jesus as a Son was sent from heaven to earth. In fact, the scriptures prove that the Son is the man who was sent in the flesh after he was born of a woman (Gal. 4:4). John 17:18 clearly states, "As You have sent me (the Father sent the Son) into the world, even so have I sent them (the disciples) into the world." Were the disciples sent from heaven to earth? Romans 8:3 states that the Son was "sent in the likeness of sinful flesh." Since the Son was sent "in the flesh" how could he have been sent from heaven to earth "in the flesh?" The Father is greater than the Son because the Father is God as God outside of the incarnation in His unchangeable Being and Person while the Son is God incarnate as a true man who was "made like unto his brethren" "fully human in every way" (Heb. 2:17; John 5:26). The Son of God could not have performed the actual creation as the Son because Hebrews 2:7 cites Psalm 8:5-6 which says, "You crowned him with glory and honor, and have appointed him over THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS." Who else but the Father's hands created all things (Malachi 2:10; Isaiah 64:8)? Since the Son has been "set" or "appointed" by the Father over the works of His hands, the Son has to be the man who was appointed over the Father's creation. Jesus is identified as the creator in Heb. 1:10 and Heb. 3:3-4 because he created all things as Yahweh God the Father before also becoming a human Son. Hebrews 1:3 states that the Son of God is "the brightness of his glory (the context proves the Father's glory) and the express image of his Person (the Father's Person)." Hence, the Father's Person also became a human person who is the appointed heir of all things belonging to the Father. How could the Son have already been in heaven as a Son before the incarnation when the Father said, "Sit at my right hand" if the Son was already at the Fathers anthropomorphic side to begin with? Could the Son have said, "Father, I am already coequally reigning at your side. Why are you saying 'sit at my right hand' while I am already here? Peter proved that Psalm 110:1 is a Messianic prophecy in which the Son would ascended to the right hand of the Father as he cited Psalm 110:1 in Acts 2:34 to prove that the Son would be at the Father's side in the prophetic future (only after the ascension and only after the Father "granted life" [a human life] to the Son - John 5:26). In like manner, why would the Father say, "I will be to him a Father and he WILL BE to Me a Son" if the Father was already a Father to the Son and if the Son was already a Son to his Father to begin with (Heb. 1:5; 2 Samuel 7:14)? It is hard to imagine the Son coequally at the Father's side saying, "Father, I am already your Son and I am right here. What are you talking about?" And again, how could the Son have coequally reigned over all of the Father's creation while being "appointed to rule over the works" of the Father's "hands." And how could the Son be "appointed the heir of all things" if he was already the Lord of all things as a coequal and coeternal God the Son to begin with?
Thank you for commenting. Before 325 AD, the apostolic fathers were united in their teaching on the Trinity. The only exceptions I can think of are two groups. First, the Gnostics did not believe in the Trinity. Second, Arius was the first person from within the church to oppose the teaching on the Trinity. So yes, all the Christians churches before 325 taught the Trinity. God bless you!
I'm reading book "early Christianity" for Thursday night biblefires. on youtube. last week, was first week and read "martyrdom of Polycarp". I think the martyr's are a good place for medium level Christians to begin their understanding of the church. Like Tolstoy being influenced by the Hussites. Pacifism is not to be trifled with.
the formal prohibition at the great Church Council of Elyrus in A.D. 303, when it was declared that "the form of God, which is immaterial and invisible, shall not be limited by figure or shape." In 692, the council of Constantinople had similarly prohibited "to paint or represent Jesus as a lamb," as also "to bow the knee in praying, as it is the act of idolatry." But the council of Nicaea (787) brought this idolatry back, while that of Rome (883) excommunicated John, the Patriarch of Constantinople, for his showing himself a declared enemy of image worship. Ref,,,,The Secret Doctrine Vol 2 Page 279.
A key factor of the development of the trinity was the subtle influence of Greek philosophy. The New Encyclopædia Britannica explains: “From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms, both for their own intellectual satisfaction and in order to convert educated pagans.” Once philosophically minded persons became Christians, it did not take long for Greek philosophy and “Christianity” to become inseparably linked. As a result of this union, pagan doctrines such as the Trinity seeped into tainted Christianity. These teachings go back much farther than the Greek philosophers. The Greeks actually acquired them from older cultures. Babylon started with 2 trinities Nimrod, Tammuz, Simerimas and Shamash, Sin, Ishtar. Then the other pagan religions copied them. In Egypt they were Osiris, Isis, and Horus In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis. The Phoenicians worshipped Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun. Rome worshipped Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto. In India they were Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva According to Church history the trinity doctrine was established at the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. The earlier Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. did not include the holy spirit. If the trinity had been the central doctrine of Christendom wouldn’t they had affirmed it 56 years earlier at that Council? Where is the 3 persons in one God equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom formula found in the bible? It is not in the bible. It is in the Athanasian Creed. The Athanasian Creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed It took centuries for the trinity to develop. Since 381 C.E. there been many corruptions added by Trinitarians. Isaac Newton wrote about corruptions of manuscripts where he discovered trinity proof texts that were added in his work “An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture”. 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV. He proved the corruptions by comparing the Latin manuscripts to the Greek manuscripts. He blames "the Roman church" for the frauds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture The differences in manuscripts should send up a red flag. Compare the translations: “He” was changed to “God” www.biblestudytools.com/1-timothy/3-16-compare.html Modified to read: “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-john/passage/?q=1-john+5:7-8 www.biblestudytools.com/asv/1-john/passage/?q=1-john+5:7-8 Trinitarians removed the words “neither the Son” to support the trinity. www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/24-36-compare.html Words added: “,I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST:” www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/1-11-compare.html No scriptures exists that prove Jesus was a 3 in 1 God equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Most so called proof texts attempt to prove a trinity by implying only two persons in one God. For instance 2 persons with the same title. There is never a 3 in 1 God scripture. Baptismal questions of the early church proves the trinity doctrine was unheard of. examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/creeds.html Egyptian Coptic translators of the 2nd-3rd centuries translated John 1:1 as "the Word was a god" before the Trinity doctrine was concocted. Not ONE of the Coptic scholars appealed to by the apologists said that Coptic John 1:1 should be translated to say "The Word was God." Not one. Not one said that "a god" was an incorrect translation of Coptic ou.noute. In fact, the interlinear reading for Sahidic Coptic John 1:1c in scholar Bentley Layton's Coptic in 20 Lessons (2007)specifically reads "a-god is the-Word." It turns out the New World Translation translated John 1:1 correctly. coptictruch.blogspot.com/ Paul believed only the Father is the almighty (one person in one God) 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) If the trinity was known by Paul why would he say only the Father is God? Why didn’t he say Jesus and the holy spirit was also god? Paul worshiped the Father just as Jesus had said to do: Jesus said: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth."(John 4:23-24) According to Jesus only true worshippers worship the Father. Why didn’t Jesus say to worship him and the holy spirit also? Why isn't the holy spirit looking for ones like these to worship him? The facts show the trinity was not taught by the first century church and Jesus did not teach it. This explains why there was no controversy over the trinity in the first century like there was over circumcision. There was no need to explain why the Jews had been worshiping the wrong God for thousands of years. The Jews and Christians worshiped the same God, the Father. Trinitarians modified the manuscripts they had access to but they could not modify all of them. As a result the trinity doctrine has been exposed as a hoax. Paul said an apostasy will come first. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. And Jesus gave an illustration about Satan sowing weeds among the wheat. Jesus and the apostles spoke of a later time when an apostasy would occur. “The time is sure to come when, far from being content with sound teaching, people will be avid for the latest novelty and collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then, instead of listening to the truth, they will turn to myths.”-2 Timothy 4:3, 4, Catholic Jerusalem Bible. The Trinity doctrine is actually a pagan doctrine masquerading as a Christian one. It was promoted by Satan to deceive people, to make God confusing and mysterious to them. As a result they are more willing to accept other false religious ideas.
there are hundreds of variant versions of Christian Bibles none match each other or the original koine Greek NT Papyrus or the Hebrew Tanakh Bible or Dead sea scrolls..There are 30,000 different Christian sects today all argue.
t.co/voNmJMXAGt He isent lieing +(I)+ (wood) rather show you how two be Good at 360° one Positivily from the inside out Bigger an Better then all negitivity that can destroy your lives an prayer an cherity just wont do. t.co/DZpOefe5Pz t.co/7agYJhqgpp
mitvos, Yet -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. To the praise of God my Father And Jesus my Lord. Salvation by the forgiveness of sin the straight path John prepared the people for Jesus and Gods purpose for the Israelite's which they rejected. But the stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. God bless it! God bless it!
Biblical truth is not an "incomprehensible mystery. In fact, God longs for us to know Him and His truth! So many Trinitarians Use Phil. 2:6-7 proving Jesus is God, however, One might consider after this verse it says Christ was in the form of God, it goes on to say that christ "did not consider equality with God something to be grapsed." this phrase is a powerful argument against the Trintiy. IF Jesus were God, then it would make no sense at all to say that He did not "grasp" at equality with God because no one graps at equality with himself.
There are many Christians who believe God was wrath in the Old Testament and love in the new one. Yet, if read in context, we can come to the only conclusion that God had always been both love and wrath
"there are many christians." you got that right. Matthew 7:13 wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Matthew 7 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
YHWH, is The Judge of the universe.
Already, we can know from the Bible that the Canaanites, did trow a lot of their children into a "sacred fire", and other humans. History also mentions that, even newborns, were sacrificed. The priests did the sacrifices... that mean that the priests of that time, were serial killers.
And yet, the human sacrifices were not always done, because of the fear of the gods... a lot of parents gave their children and even their newborns, because they wished, that the gods, would give them some benedictions.
The Bible says that the pagan gods were demons.
So, the ancient could really have something from the demons!
But there is a lot more!
The Canaanite priests did teach and practice the pagan cult of sex: it means that all the priests did zoo-philia, paedophilia, incest... and there was a lot more people than today, that were pedophiles, zoophiles and... did practice incest.
They also did orgies under green lush trees... we can call that: sacred orgies, because it was a religious ritual.
The priests, and all the other Canaanites, did SOOOO many EVIL actions. It was truly horrific.
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At the time of the conquest of Canaan, the priests of Baal, had the OBLIGATION, to EAT the human sacrifices ; ALL OF THEM.
The normal population, when there was a siege, after they depleted their food... could had dig to find insects to eat. BUT... they rather choose to eat their children. There was also more human sacrifices, in a siege.
Necrophilia on fresh sacrifices... was practised by some priests. (I cannot say all or generalize on that).
They had also sacred prostitutes. It would not be a surprise that, they tried to be pregnant as much as they can... to sacrifice their own newborns.
Knowing the corruption of the pagans of antiquity...
Doing sex with anything, with any animals, or any kind of person, was not seen as evil.
It is sure that, in the ''sacred orgies'', there was lilke...
A mother, with her sister, a dog, a cousin, her son, a goat, ''gods'' (The sexual gods of today... are indeed idols), statues, etc.
Don't you think that we could be patients like God was with the pagans?
When YHWH destroyed in The Bible.
Sometimes, The Scripture does not explain the full reasons, of why someone was punished to death by God. But, because YHWH can know everything if He wants... that means that, the people that seemed to be killed for nothing, were already evil in their hearths, that did a lot of evil, BEFORE they were executed.
The more we dig about paganism, the worst it is.
Anything occult is attached to the demons, and, all the occult arts were popular.
No human have supernatural powers, so, the occult ''gifts'', they ALL comes from the demons, that share their power, in exchange of something.
The more disgusting were your sacrifices to the demon-gods, the more powerful you were with what you occult practices.
The other pagans, were all like that. They were not equally evil. The Assyrians were more evil.
More recently, the Aztecs were bloody, with cannibal priests.
Wrath of God = Divine Retribution
Everyone, it's fine to read books about God, I did that too, but don't stop your Bible reading.
what good does that do? i dont observe anyone understanding it, believing it or following it. why bother?
J C B PLEASE PLEASE join me in prayer and declaring that all lying establishment be removed. Especially ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEAR CHILDREN.!!! Learning lies and corruption through falsehood in education, media, movies , music!!!
We NEED to protect the innocent and be a voice for them!!!!
In YASHIYA’s Name. I have learned this to be HIS NAME!!!!
It is NOT Jesus!!!
Laura Tempestini Jesus is the name of God
J C B why do you say judeochristian? What fellowship have Christ with belial? The Talmud blasphemes Christ, jewish values are not equivalent to Christian values
I agree we must not stop reading the Bible because man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3).
I have not found any reason, either in my relationship with Jesus or the NT, to change my understanding from what Paul wrote.
Which to me glorifies the Father and Son in the proper context. (From whom vs through whom) and (God vs Lord)
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
Did Paul forget to honor the "person" of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit?
Matt 10:20
...for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Did the Host of Heaven forget to honor the person of the Spirit or is the Spirit of God the Fathers very own Spirit?
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"
Does Jesus call the HS His Father? As Mary conceived by the HS.
Thats one God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ with Spirit of God as the Spirit of the One and only true God the Father.
The head of the body of Christ states:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
The head of the body of Christ states:
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
Therefore to state likewise is to follow His words.
So then who is the Jesus ?
The firstborn of all creation =the first of Gods works. Jesus is before all things except the Father. Gods firstborn and the firstborn of all things.
How then can that Son be the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being if no God is formed after the Father?
The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another)
Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God How then does such a statement, not found in the NT, hold to ONE God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"
Now at the appointed time set by the Fathers will a "body" was prepared for Jesus. And the Son who was, His spirit, was in the tent of that body. And as Jesus stated His teaching was not His own but it was the Father living IN Him doing His work. As in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son.
And this follows the Septuagint.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, HE said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a "body" you prepared for me;
He said =Jesus
A body you prepared for me = the Father
As a Son, not a God who always was, Jesus inherits ALL things. God does need to inherit anything. All that belongs to the Father also belongs to His Son.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe
And as a Son Jesus received authority. God doesn't need to receive any authority as He is God.
About the Son
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.
One might ask in light of these things whose name do we baptize in?
Note the word "Son"
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. THEREFORE go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
Thank you for commenting. :) God bless!
This is really deep. I am currently learning that we who believe inHIM as it is written are sons and daughters to also do the will of THE FATHER as our brother has. He came so we can be baptized either THE HOLY SPIRIT.!!!
Jesus (Yahusha) was a unitarian exclusivist monotheist beliving the father Ab Yahuah is the only true God Aluah... th-cam.com/video/qn1aX6yTbtI/w-d-xo.html
I am blessed with this, you are speaking truth and this has been my truth also.. since I studied the divinity of God (the Almighty Creator of All eternal and Holy) and the the truth about Trinity. This kind of truth I found. I am blessed that there are believers around who searched for truth and strengthened the faith. I Praise God Almighty for He is leading us to real faith and truth. I thank God for His great love and for giving us Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit. ❤️
For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
DIVINITY SERIES - EPISODE 1
0:00 - Clarification of terminology: 'Divinity' vs 'Trinity' vs 'Godhead'
0:41 - Existing Teachings/Possibilities of the Divinity
1:23 - Clarification of terminology: 'God' vs 'God the Father' vs 'the Divinity'
1:56 - Pre-Nicene writings on the issue
8:00 - Tertullian's 3 Analogies
10:35 - Preview of next 2 videos contents in the series
10:49 - Common Scriptures used by Pre-Nicene Christians concerning Divinity/Trinity
1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) "For there is ONE God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;"
Thank you for your time and work for your videos!
Thanks. You & your work & efforts are Divinely inspired. 👏👏👍👍🙏🙏
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as
“the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most
celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the
Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the
principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many
verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as
it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words
“IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is
about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:
But the rest of the apostles, who had
been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been
driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel,
relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them,
“GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Again, in his Oration in
Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:
What king or prince in any age of the
world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous
lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but
while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues
of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour
has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his
followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE
DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Eusebius was present at the council
of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether
Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts
he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of
the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we
believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY
NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position
as Trinitarian influence spread.
2. If Matthew 28:19
is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for
the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single
occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records
in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord
Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the
“name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the
element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter
replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts
2:38). “They had simply been baptized into
the NAME OF THE LORD
JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he
ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On
hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot
imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of
the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his
name, and that was what the early Church did.
18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL
AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
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I WOULD SAY THIS; THAT THE ELITE HAVE BEEN SO BUSY TRYING TO PROVE THE TRINITY THAT THEY MISSED OUT ON THE ONENESS OF GOD.
GOD B LESS YOU MY FRIEND IN CHRIST.
PEACE BE WITH YOU.
The disciples baptized those who believe in Jesus' name. Act 19: 5. Acts 2: 38. There is no account when they baptized in the name of "the father, the son and the holy spirit"
You cannot just quote one church father, for we know that Eusebius shortened biblical passages, he writes:
God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth.
However, the full text is:
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Eusebius is certainly refering to Phil 2:9f, but his writing of it is not a quotation.
Text critics don't just look at manuscripts of the text. They also examine quotations of passages in early writers. All quotations of Matthew 28:19 that include the "name" formula have the long version and not the short.
Didache 7:1 Concerning baptism, you should baptize this way: After first explaining all things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in flowing water
Tertullain On Baptism paragraph 13 Go, he says, teach the nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Tertullian Against Praxeas, chapter 2 says, "After His resurrection ..He commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".
Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 AD) in A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII
Hippolytus (170-236 AD says in Fragments: Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical.--Against the Heresy of One Noetus,
Cyprian (200-258AD) in The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian
and others
In total, if we would search only those Fathers prior to Nicea, we would find 24 quotations of Matthew 28:19 using the full formula. There were no quotations amongst these writers with the short version. There were also quotations of the verse where they stopped prior to the list of names (i.e. "he commanded us to teach all nations").
And if we would just think for a moment, the church fathers wanted the trinity formula in Matthew, willfully altered manucsripts of Matthew 28:19, sought out and destroyed all manuscripts of Matthew 28:19 containing the short reading, then went through the writings of the Ante-Nicean Fathers and altered their quotations of Matthew, destroying all other copies and they forgot to rewrite Acts and other places which mention the IN THE NAME OF JESUS, would that make sense?
And the context of Matthew seems to be about teaching and baptizing, while the context of other books in the NT is more historical, or more about the salvifical works of Jesus.
There technically isnt a passage where the apostles were baptizing and whilst doing that they were saying: I BAPTIZE THEE IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARETH, we just have mentions of them saying BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS. And since the greek preposition ἐπί commonly translated here as "in" can have multiple meanings, one cannot say what it truly means, it can mean "in the name of" or "by the name of" or unintuitively "on the name of", and also the greek of Matthew 28:19 doesnt have this preposition, it has the preposition εἰς, which is a primary preposition, to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.)
And since the passage is, you could say, out of place, that doesnt necessarily mean that it is an interpolation, it could as well mean that it is original.
anyone notice, there is no mention of the Holy "mother of god here"? And no mention of praying to Mary or to angels either.........how those catholics keep giving money to rome, a false church is evident of a truly lost group of people
Richk lowell They believe that when a person that’s part of the body of Christ dies, they are still part of the Body, only difference is they are in heaven. Therefore like you ask a church member to pray to you, you can ask the dead person, who is still part of the Body and in heaven, to carry your supplications to Jesus.
I know this is only a small part of the veneration of saints but this is what I’ve heard constantly on this topic. And I’m not saying I believe this necessarily
Mary is an intercessor. Perhaps you don't understand.
The term Mother of God is Christological, meaning the person she carried in her womb was God before, during and after her pregnancy. If you say she is the Mother of Christ, the man only, you fall into the error of Nestorianism.
Except for the fact that it’s not based on biblical teaching and Mary is dead. The dead in Christ will rise at the return of Christ.
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
This is awesome. I was mostly a luke warm protestant until a few months ago i developed a thirst to know. It's leading me to Catholicism because i looked at it with an open mind and decided to figure out what the bible actually says. And here i am enjoying this
Thank you for uploaded these ancient writings.
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:
But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:
What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread.
2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did.
18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
Are you Jehovah Witness?
That is not a Jehovah's Witness teaching @@lenoregray3788
In who's name was jesus baptised?
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
The teaching of the Trinity ' Doctrine ' is Apostasy ; Apostasy was foretold to come . Just because it is earlier , doesnt mean its all right . Also some of these writings likely distorted .
Yahweh_is_Love / twitter
How can there be a son, if the son was never begotten (all the 3 persons of the trinity are eternal).
The trinity cannot exist.
Those very early descriptions don't imply a Trinity in my opinion. The oneness expresses their unity.
Thank you for commenting. Yes, those descriptions don't imply Trinity nor Monarchianism. But the next two videos in this series on the Divinity addresses those topics. Here is a list of videos in this series. God bless!
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Post-Apostolic Church lease tell if you know .... why the lie of the trinity????
Exactlyyyyy, they were battling talmudic jews attempting to take away believers in Christ in that time (and still today). They were trying to make it clear that you cannot be following God if you do not follow the son, who is the Christ foretold to come and has come.
@@lauratempestini5719 why do you think the trinity is a lie?
@@UniteAgainstEvil I will gather my information. I did not take proper study notes.
John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 20:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Isaiah 9:6-21 King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.. Being the "firstborn" mean's He had a start. God has alway's been. No start or end. God can NOT die. So if Jesus was God then He didn't die on the cross.
@@triciasklodowske5653 his flesh had a start he IS the father spirt in a tabernakel of flesh
@@drooge42 your reasoning concludes that the Son is the Father, which we know is not true
@@Thedisciplemike Isaiah 9:6 declares the Son to be the everlasting Father
@@anthonymaggio1530 lol no it doesn't
Ignatius doesn't refer to one God in three at all he never calls them God but he does speaks of their unity.
I'm glad your also caught that.
Adam and Eve, the first married couple, were one flesh. It does not mean that they were the same person in two... One here really is, the expression of unity.
God and Jesus are really unite but, they are not one person in two persons...
YHWH is Eternal. He created The Word. They became one (no couple XD), because of their unity, the way they think, the way they act.
It is like...
God was ''an eternal man'', that creates with his own body, The Word ''the women'', created with the body of God
(The power of God emanates from his spiritual body)
OK, God have limitless power so, he did not ''loose a spiritual rib''. XD
Adam was created, and then, from the body of Adam, Eve was created.
The model is the same but... spirits are TRULY non-binary: we use the masculine to describe spirits, to facilitate our understanding.
On earth, Jesus was a man. When he was resurrected as a spirit, he became again, genderless.
In Philippians it is describe, that Jesus was a spirit, that emptied himself of his power...
(Jesus existed as a spirit, and... his life was transfered, in a sperm, in an ovula...
Pretty weird.
wow. I am excited to watch all the videos. thank you. 👌🏼👍🏼
Departure from reason usually ends with the disclaimer that explanation is futile because God, being infinte, is "beyond" human comprehension. Deut. 29:29 the "things revealed" about the relationshiip between God and His Son are intrisic to His logos, that is, "things" that are comprehensible. the Greek word apokalupis, translated "revelationl" means the "unveiling" of what was previously hidden from human understanding. Things revelaed are things that believers can understnad and assimilate into their lives.
where people miss and fail in the "trinity" is they say that Christ had no beginning and He did not come from the Father and that He was always there just as the Father was and had no beginning saying there is no difference between the Father and the Son - thus there is no "one true God" but one God which is made up of three gods - which is blasphemy in the highest order - the "trinity" understood properly, was just as Tertullian explained it perfectly (8:19 mark) - that's why there's such a division in the subject of a "trinity" of which I say the word needs to be dismissed altogether - there is only one true God, the Father, and He brought forth His only begotten Son and Their Spirit is holy. . . . that's plain, simple and strictly Scriptural without confusion.
The book The Theology of Tertullian notes: “[It was] a curious blend of juristic and philosophic ideas and terms, which enabled Tertullian to set out the trinitarian doctrine in a form which, despite its limitations and imperfections, supplied the framework for the later presentation of the doctrine at the Council of Nicaea.” Hence, Tertullian’s formula-three persons in one divine substance played a major role in the spreading of religious error throughout all of Christendom. His key contribution to Christendom turned out to be a theory upon which later writers built the doctrine of the Trinity.
What did Peter have to say about the Mt. of Transfigeration experience: "For He (Jesus) received honor and glory FROM God the Fahter when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, 'This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased' WE OURSELVES heard THIS voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain" 2 Peter 1:17-18
There’s another problem whit this particular verse , this verse was found written in the walls of one of the smaller pyramids in Egypt and dates back 1200 b,c so who can explain cause is getting interesting.
Furthermore the word TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. IT IS ALSO NOT HEBREW.
IF THE APOSTLES TAUGHT TRINITY the early church would have been accused of such by the Sanhedrin.
So then are you saying the apostles believed/taught in 3 God's? Father, son and holy spirit ?
Actually saying what Peter confessed when CHRIST asked him " WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM....Peter answered thou art the CHRIST the Son of the living God.
JESUS partook of Divinity as a son partake of his father's nature. A human shares human nature with offspring.
JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
WE are made sons by adoption.
JESUS WAS not CREATED He says I PROCEEDED and CAME FORTH from GOD.
THESE WORDS IN ORIGINAL REFER TO BIRTH OR AS EVE CAME OUT OF ADAM.
THE BIBLE STATES that God worked through HIS SON to CREATE ALL THINGS.
SO THE ANSWER IS NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE THREE GOD TRINITY. QUITE CONTRARY...ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD AND HE HAS A SON AND BY HIS SON HE CREATED ALL THINGS.
GOD HAS A SPIRIT AND IS ABLE TO INDWELL US AS HE AND HIS SON SHARE THIS SPIRIT OR LIFE. IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD HE IS NONE OF HIS.
SHARING THE SPIRIT OF GOD UBITES THE BODY OF BELIEVES TO GOD AND HIS SON AND,EACH OTHER.
THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS GOD THE SON OR GOD,THE SPIRIT.
ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL WHO US ABOVE ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN YOU ALL...IS WHAT IT SAYS.
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Look up the meaning of Elohim it is plural for God
@@icxcnika555 The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate personalities represented in One God. In the baptism of Christ: Matthew 3:16-17. Here the Father speaks from heaven; the Son is being baptized in the Jordan; and the Spirit descends in the form of a dove.
They did accuse Jesus of that. "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one God." A misquote which they practice unto this very day. As it is actually, "Hear oh Israel, for the Lord's our God's are one God." A reference to the trinity.
Thank you for this teaching.
Isaiah 44:6 (Almighty God speaking) Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. ----> Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev. 1:8
I am the aleph and the tav says YHWH Elohim.
It doesn't say "Jesus said".
The divine nature is consistant with all its qualities, attributes and charachter of love, holiness, mercy, power, wisdom and justice. These qualities are never compromised. This nature is the nature of the Father and Son and Spirit.
THESE QUALITIES ARE THE ONENESS OF GOD.
JOHN 17
220 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 “Father,
MARK 3
24 IF A KINGDOM IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT KINGDOM CAN’T SURVIVE; 25 AND IF A HOUSEHOLD IS DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT HOUSEHOLD CAN’T SURVIVE. 26 SO IF SATAN HAS REBELLED AGAINST HIMSELF AND IS DIVIDED, HE CAN’T SURVIVE EITHER; AND THAT’S THE END OF HIM.
@@lancebach yes these *qualities* are oneness in spirit/disposition, but not oneness in person. Jesus is a seperate person and we also keep our individuality as God is *all in all*
Ephesians 4:3-7, 2 Corinthians 3:17
Post Apostolic Church: Perhaps the most disturbing apostate teaching of the post-apostolic period is the teaching of Trinity and how Satan has enslaved us all through debates over this matter! Perhaps in your own assessment, you might have noticed that:
1. No single apostle in the bible worshipped a Trinitarian God! They in fact always advised us to worship the father and Jesus (in their relative positions 1 Corinthians 15:24-28);
2. No single first century Christian ever glorified, honoured, or worshipped the Holy Spirit in any form whatsoever! They only talk about him and his role in their Christian lives (1 Corinthians 2:11);
3. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16) himself never requested any glory, honor or worship for himself, anywhere in the scriptures in a manner similar to what Jesus does for example in John 5:22-24!
Clearly, Trinity is only a human philosophy introduced gradually into the church and was only established after 325AD in fullfimement of Acts 20:29-30 ....to suggest that antenacene Christians believed in Trinity is misleading far from the truth!
Some Trinitarians desperately appeal to two totally ridiculous arguments:
1. John 10:30 and 10:38 to argue that since the Father and the Son are "one"; the Holy Spirit is also "one" with them and Trinity is thus true! One only needs to read John 17:20-23 to realise that Jesus never meant that he is "one" entity or "one" God with his Father! He meant "one in purpose", one in "the purpose of redemption".
2. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 etc...to point out that they are mentioned together in "one endeavour/purpose" and therefore Trinity is true! Wow....but what about other trinities in the bible? Why must these other trinities be ignored? For example 1 Timothy 5:21; 1John 5:8 or even 2 Corinthians 11:4? Why are these other trinities meaningless?
For instance, since you assume that the Apostle Paul believed in Trinity, why does he replace Holy Spit with "elect angels" at 1 Timothy 5:21? The Holy Spirit should be a better witness than Holy Angels...not so?
You have got to at least admit my friend that Trinitarians have "gone beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6) as they are not asked to put these 3 supposedly Devine persons into "one" Divinity and preach a Triune God (Romans 10:2-3)!
G-d simply means deity, that clears that mystery up. Clears as muddy water.
Why then was Every APOSTLE Baptism was in Jesus Christ name .?? Acts 2:38- Acts 19. ???
The fact that he believed the Son to be inferior to the Father can be easily seen in his letter Against Praxeas. In it, he states:
Chap. IX. "Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son."
Chap. VII. "And while I recognize the Son, I assert his distinction as second to the Father."
Again, ask yourself why was his view of the trinity different from today’s view if it has always been taught by the church? The reason is because it was a developing idea.
Tertullian himself gives us the greatest proof of the fact that it was a developing idea in the same letter. He states:
Chap. III. vv. 1. "The majority of believers, are STARTLED at the Dispensation (of the Three in One)...They are constantly throwing out against us that we are preachers of two gods and three gods...While the Greeks actually REFUSE to understand the oikonomia, or Dispensation" (of the Three in One).
These are incredible statements! Tertullian is acknowledging that the majority of believers did not agree with the Doctrine of the Trinity. They accused him of being a polytheist. The Greeks (either Greek Christians or Christians that spoke Greek in different lands) refused altogether to believe him. These statements are probably the best proofs that the Doctrine of the Trinity was not taught by the Apostles.
Thanks for commenting. To understand what Tertullian was talking about, one should understand their whole argument. Many times, writers, like Tertullian, pointed that the Son is inferior to the Father in His role or authority. However, the Son is NOT inferior to the Father in nature or deity (otherwise, they would be two gods instead of one).
I've seen that quote before about the "majority of believers." When you look at that in context, Tertullian is not saying that the majority of the believers are monarchian. Instead, he is saying that the simple-minded Christian isn't familiar with how the Trinity works. But the whole Church believed in the Trinity. This can be seen in the fact that there is no Christian writer who preached one God in one Person. Throughout the whole Roman Empire, all the writers preached the same thing as Tertullian. This includes writers before him, like Theophilus, who first coined the term "Trinity" 25 years before Tertullian and on the other side of the Mediterranean. The quote you brought up has been twisted to fit their own beliefs.
You can read Tertullian's words here.
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.iii.html
God bless.
@@PostApostolicChurch Why are you looking at Tertullian?
The head of the body of Christ
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Not reading it, although of course reading the bible is essential. How can you do Gods will if you do not know it?. However a video like this one, purposely avoiding dogma, is a good way "hear" (audibly), understand or at least contemplate the on the word more fully. The writings referenced to by authors whose name I can barely pronounce elevate my faith because many of the concepts have occurred to me before, and hearing it spoken makes me all the more sure I am on the right track. In that respect, this video is of great value to me, and I intend to watch as many as possible. I am an old sinner(64) saved by grace. Loved God all my life, taught in the Catholic tradition. Young people with no spiritual direction, these are good vids to acquaint you with the desire and nature of God. First being yes He most certainly exists. Start with that.
Thanks for good Historical Theology
GOD IS ONE SPIRIT. READ WELL - THE ONENESS OF GOD
AND IN GOD IS ESSENTIAL FOR OUR SALVATION. IT IS NOT - INTELLECTUAL CALCULATION
THAT REVEALS THIS TO US BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH DISCERNMENT.
ACTS 4
13 When they saw the boldness of Peter and John and realised that they
were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and recognised that they
had been with Jesus.
JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL:
THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.
EPHESIANS 4:5-6
ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER
ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL.
ROMANS 8:1
THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST
JESUS.
JOHN 10:30
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.”
JOHN 14:20
IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I
IN YOU.
JAMES 2:19
YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE; YOU DO WELL. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE-AND
SHUDDER!
ZECHARIAH 14:9
AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL
BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE.
JUDE 1:4
FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE CREPT IN UNNOTICED WHO LONG AGO WERE DESIGNATED
FOR THIS CONDEMNATION, UN-GODLY PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO
SENSUALITY AND DENY OUR ONLY MASTER AND LORD, JESUS CHRIST.
ISAIAH 43:10
“YOU ARE MY WITNESSES,” DECLARES THE LORD, “AND MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE
CHOSEN, THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND BELIEVE ME AND UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE. BEFORE ME
NO GOD WAS FORMED, NOR SHALL THERE BE ANY AFTER ME.
GALATIANS 3:20
NOW AN INTERMEDIARY IMPLIES MORE THAN ONE, BUT GOD IS ONE.
1 TIMOTHY 2:5
FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE
MAN CHRIST JESUS,
ISAIAH 45:21-22
DECLARE AND PRESENT YOUR CASE; LET THEM TAKE COUNSEL TOGETHER! WHO TOLD
THIS LONG AGO? WHO DECLARED IT OF OLD? WAS IT NOT I, THE LORD? AND THERE IS NO
OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME.
“TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH! FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS
NO OTHER.
ISAIAH 44:8
FEAR NOT, NOR BE AFRAID; HAVE I NOT TOLD YOU FROM OF OLD AND DECLARED
IT? AND YOU ARE MY WITNESSES! IS THERE A GOD BESIDES ME? THERE IS NO ROCK; I
KNOW NOT ANY.”
ISAIAH 44:6
THUS SAYS THE LORD, THE KING OF ISRAEL AND HIS REDEEMER, THE LORD OF
HOSTS: “I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD.
1 CORINTHIANS 8:6
YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, FROM WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND
FOR WHOM WE EXIST, AND ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND
THROUGH WHOM WE EXIST.
1 CORINTHIANS 8:4
THEREFORE, AS TO THE EATING OF FOOD OFFERED TO IDOLS, WE KNOW THAT “AN
IDOL HAS NO REAL EXISTENCE,” AND THAT “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE.”
1 CORINTHIANS 12:13
FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTISED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS
OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO
ONE SPIRIT.
JOHN 17:21-23
THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE,
THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAST SENT
ME…
GOD BLESS YOU - ALL WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS ARE IN ONE SPIRIT FOR
GOD IS ONE.
IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR DOUBT DON'T HESITATE TO ASK ME.
BETTER STILL PRAY TO THE LORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THE BREATHE OF GOD
WILL ANSWER YOU.
JOHN 20
22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
JOB 32:8
BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT IN MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY THAT MAKES HIM
UNDERSTAND.
PRAISE THE LORD.
MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””)
25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY
KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD
DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE [“””” GOD IS ONE “””” ]
REVELATION 13 BELOW A KINGDOM DIVIDED >>> BUILT ON SAND OF THE
TRINITY 3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF
THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET.
THE TRINITY = THE TRINITY OF THE PAGANS - THERE IS NO OTHER TRINITY. FOR
- “””” GOD IS ONE “”””
1 KINGS 18
21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU
WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD,
FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING.
[THE TRINITY COULD BE THE MAIN IDOL OF BAAL IN THE END TIMES. IT IS THE
MAIN IDOL
THAT CHALLENGES THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF JESUS DIRECT.
[ -WHO WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO EXPOSE AND CHALLENGE IT? - THE 2
WITNESSES OF COURSE - ]
BUT THE 2 WITNESSES WILL BE CHALLENGED BY THE TRINITY OF THE DRAGON THE
BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET
MATTHEW 12 (“”” GOD IS ONE “”””)
25 HOWEVER, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, YESHUA SAID TO THEM, “EVERY
KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL BE RUINED, AND EVERY CITY OR HOUSEHOLD
DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT SURVIVE “””” GOD IS ONE “”””
REVELATION 13
3 AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT LOOKED LIKE FROGS
COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE DRAGON, THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET.
1 KINGS 18
21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU
WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD,
FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING.
ELIJAH REPEATS HIMSELF AS AN END TIME WITNESS.
ELIJAH WENT BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN
TWO OPINIONS? IF JESUS IS YOUR LORD AND GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF THE TRINITY IS
YOUR GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT - THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING.
2 CORINTHIANS 3 3 I AM AFRAID, HOWEVER, THAT JUST AS EVE WAS DECEIVED BY
THE SERPENT’S CUNNING, YOUR MINDS MAY BE LED ASTRAY FROM YOUR SIMPLE AND PURE
DEVOTION TO CHRIST.
MATTHEW 11
25 AT THAT TIME JESUS DECLARED, “I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN
AND EARTH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIDDEN THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND LEARNED, AND
REVEALED THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN.
26 YES, FATHER, FOR THIS WAS WELL-PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.
great work. thank you
What did those who were students of the Apostles teach?
Thanks for this video ... God bless you
THE LORD’S DAY IS NOT THE SUN’S - DAY BUT """ THE SON’S -DAY
"""
PSALM 2
12 KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY, AND YOU PERISH IN THE WAY, FOR HIS WRATH IS QUICKLY KINDLED. BLESSED ARE ALL WHO TAKE REFUGE IN HIM.
HOW OR WHEN HAVE WE KISSED THE SON? WE ASK.
MATTHEW 25
40 “THE KING - [THE SON] - WILL REPLY, ‘TRULY I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF MINE, YOU DID FOR ME.’
“- YES! - YOU HAVE KISSED THE SON -”
JEREMIAH 22
16 HE TOOK UP THE CAUSE OF THE POOR AND NEEDY, AND SO IT WENT WELL. IS THIS NOT WHAT IT MEANS TO KNOW ME?” DECLARES THE LORD.
JOHN 4
24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: = [ONE SPIRIT] AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.
[“ - HOWEVER - ”]
! BEWARE OF KISSING IDOLS SUCH AS - !THE TRINITY! AND OTHER MAN MADE IDOLS.
ACTS 17
29 - FOR AS MUCH THEN AS WE ARE THE OFFSPRING OF GOD, WE OUGHT NOT TO THINK THAT THE GODHEAD IS LIKE UNTO GOLD, OR SILVER, OR STONE, GRAVEN BY ART AND MAN'S DEVICE.
FALSE IMAGES OF THE LORD IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE LORD.
KINGS 19:
18 YET I HAVE PRESERVED SEVEN THOUSAND IN ISRAEL “WHOSE KNEES HAVE NOT BOWED TO BAAL AND WHOSE MOUTH HAS NOT KISSED HIM.”
KISS THE SON - BUT """NOT THE SUN """
The modern English words for Saturday and Sunday come from the ancient Pagan Latin words Saturni(Saturn's day) and Solis (Sun day). The modern Italian word for Saturday is Sabato, which is a variation of the Hebrew word Shabbat or Sabbath day. The Italian word for Sunday is Domenica which literally means "the Lord's Day" or the day of the Lord's resurrection.
Constitutions of the Holy Apostles Book II, Chapter LIX quote:
“Be not careless of yourselves, neither deprive your Saviour of His own members, neither divide His body nor disperse His members, neither prefer the occasions of this life to the word of God; but assemble yourselves together every day, morning and evening, singing psalms and praying in the Lord’s house: in the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but principally on the Sabbath-day(Saturday). And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, (Sunday) meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead."
Constitutions of the Holy Apostles: XXXIII. "I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions. Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord’s day let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety. We have said that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord’s day of the resurrection. Let slaves rest from their work all the great week, and that which follows it-for the one in memory of the passion, and the other of the resurrection; and there is need they should be
instructed who it is that suffered and rose again, and who it is permitted Him to suffer, and raised Him again."
Council of Laodicea, AD 364, on the outlawing of the observance of the Sabbath day in the Catholic Church, Canon 29: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath(Saturday), but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day(Sunday); and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. “
1 John 5:7
In Isaac Newton's writings he gave much attention to the doctrine of the Trinity. Using early Church writers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the first versions of the Bible, Newton proved that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” in support of the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures. He then traced the way in which the spurious reading crept into the Latin versions, first as a marginal note, and later into the text itself. He showed that it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript corrected from the Latin.
You have Cyprian writing the corrupted text in 250 A.D. According to Newton it was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 A.D.
It appears the Trinitarians got the idea of adding this text from Cyprian into their Latin translation and then supposedly correcting a Greek manuscript they were copying with the corrupted Latin text.
Thank you for commenting. You are correct about that phrase in 1John 5:7. There is no evidence that this phrase existed before 350 AD. I'm glad most English translations do not include it. God bless you!
*peculiar ~ At @8:58 - 9 you said 'particular' but the script says peculiar. Which is correct?
Thanks for pointing that out. I mispoke! I'm glad I put the words on the screen because they are correct.
@@PostApostolicChurch thanks for the clarification, I was wondering the same question (as "jane a sinner")
For goodness sakes people there is NO three persons, similar or otherwise in the Godhead. "There is one God and one lord Jesus our Savior, and the Messiah. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one" Gal. 3:20 "For he has set a day when he wll judge the world with justice by the man he has apponted. He has GIVEN proof of that to ALL MEN by Raising HIM from the dead." Acts 17:31. God Cannot die, God raised Jesus, not his "human mode" self!! HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN JUDGED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTN SON OF GOD." John 3:18. Wonder Why those who recite John 3:16 and 17 NEVER mention verse 18??????
DO THESE TEACHINGS LEAD TO ROME ? -AND - WE KNOW WHERE THE TEACHINGS OF ROME LEAD TO.
With the benefit of hindsight and history it is easy to see that the weeds Jesus spoke of has been the Catholic church and her children. Sadly most protestants are still Catholic. Trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, solar worship rituals, just old wine in a new skin.
@@donk1822 What would you say Protestants should believe?
@@doriesse824 Hi Dorie, I honestly believe the Bible is the only authority any of us should have, however you might wish to consider the following.
Mortal or immortal soul?
The Bible provides an Occam's razor to separate the wheat from the chaff as it were, it is provided in Genesis. The Devil's first lie to Eve.
“You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God".
The Devil claims that we do not die because of sin as God say's we do, he claims that something survives, he claims our soul is a spirit which survives the death of the body.
God on the other hand is most adamant.
"And Adam 'became' a living soul". The opposite of a living soul can only be a dead, non existent one. On this matter God is not ambiguous.
"The soul that is sinning, it shall die".
It is this lie more than any other that defines Babylon the Great, the empire of false religion. Any faith, pagan or 'Christian' that teaches you have an immortal soul originates with the Devil.
Of course, if there is no immortal soul, Hell cannot be a place of eternal torment, and God is no longer a despot :). The Lake of Fire can now be seen for what it is, a metaphor for eternal non existence.
The Trinity
You will know this scripture well, but perhaps not in the form it should be understood. The words in brackets are the original Greek words used.
In the beginning was the word (Logos), and the word (Logos) was with God (Ho Theos) and the word (Logos) was god (Theos).
Note, the Logos, the word, was with God, not is God, note also that no mention is made of the Trinity's third person.
God almighty is 'Ho Theos', THE God, he has the definitive article, however the Logos is described as 'Theos', no definite article. This denotes that the Logos is a little less than God. A more accurate translation is.
"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was 'divine".
If we accept that the Logos is not God, or a part of God, then who is he?
The Bible tells us the Logos is Michael the Archangel, God's unique creation. Everything else was made by him wielding God's limitless power through God's Holy Spirit, his active force.
Michael the Archangel sits at the right hand of God, it is he who's position Satan wanted, he who speaks for God, he by name 'Who is like God!?'. When Jesus returns we are told he will come not as a man, but will return in his full glory, we are informed he will have the voice of an Archangel!
This further emphasises the mortal nature of the soul, animal, human or angel. If Michael could come to Earth and die for us, then even God's only begotten son was a mortal being.
Now of course God has given him life unto himself and he will do so for 144,000 more from among his most faithful followers, these are the saint's who will form a heavenly government with Christ as its head. Thankfully they are not chosen by human committee, they are chosen by him.
If I have one bit if wisdom to share that is undeniable which transcends our differing viewpoints it is this.
Many books have been written about man's faith in God, but I can only think of one source that explains how much faith God has in us :). Best regards Dorie.
@@donk1822 You didn't factor in the work Jesus came to do for our soul, to make it alive again through the remission of sin. What would have been the point of God creating us to just die forever?
It is the combination of our spirit (which animates the body) and flesh that creates a "living soul". When Adam sinned, we could no longer be a "living" soul, but now the soul was "dead" until Jesus Christ came to earth, when we could be made alive again in Christ.
The Lake of Fire has been so very misunderstood. It is a place of correction and refinement, like removing the impurities from gold in the refiner's fire. God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. Shall the will of God not prevail in the Universe?
The spirit of God is in All.
Great Series!!!!!!!
Thankyou! God Bless!!
Hello Sir
What are your thoughts on Hebrews ch 1 v 4 ?
Thank you for asking. I wrote a commentary on Hebrews that I used to teach a Bible class. I'll put my thoughts here...
Rank is higher.
(1) Some translations have “higher in rank” here. I do not know why is says "rank." The Greek says, “so much greater.” This is the same Greek word used in this study’s introduction. The point of Hebrews is that Jesus is GREATER. Here, the author says He is “so much greater” than the angels!
(2) An interesting verb is used here. Hebrews says that Jesus “became” greater than the angels. Wasn’t Jesus always greater than the angels? Yes, I believe He was! What is it about Jesus which caused Him to become greater than angels-in a way that He wasn’t greater before? Based on the things Hebrews said before, Jesus would have become greater than the angels in how He created the universe (and the angels didn’t) or being appointed to inherit everything at His resurrection (and the angels didn’t) or making purification for sins (which angels can never ever do). Any of those ways prove that Jesus became greater than mere angels. After all, as we see in the next phrase about Jesus’ name, there are aspects in which Jesus was and had always been greater than angels.
Name is superior.
This aspect of why Jesus is greater is the main point of this chapter. Jesus is greater than angels because Jesus is a Son and an Heir. It is His inheritance from Father God that makes Him greater than the angels. As Hebrews will show by quoting the Old Testament, Jesus is the Son of God, and none of the angels were ever sons in a real sense. Jesus is a Son in a real sense.
@PostApostolicChurch thank you Sir For such an in depth reply
I am enjoying your studies
Are you Greek Orthodoxy?
@@stevenniesielowski Thank you! No, I am not Orthodox. But I have a great deal of respect for the Orthodox Churches.
@PostApostolicChurch you are welcome Sir
Thanks for sharing and Lord bless
I have a question. Do the early ante-Nicene fathers believe in the Trinity or Binity?
They believed in neither. Paul declared in I Corinthians 8:6:
yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
So who is Jesus? Peter correctly answered this question in Matthew 16:16 “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
From here we can clearly see that the living God is the Father of Christ. And if Christ is His Son then He inherited (Hebrews 1:4) Father’s divine nature just like my son is human because I’m human.
This is why the Jews tried to stone Jesus in John 5:17-18 when He called God His Father MAKING HIM EQUAL WITH GOD. But Jesus said that the Father was great than He in John 14:28… meaning that the Father is older than His Son. The Father was greater than the Son in that He was first. The Son was equal to the Father in that He received all things from the Father. Please see John 5:26.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father (compare Luke 12:11-12, Matthew 10:19-20) and not a separate being from the Father or Son but their very PERSONAL presence. See Psalm 139:7.
What you’re listening to here is nothing more than a philosophical idol being formed. An idol not formed by man’s hands but by men’s minds. I also once taught it because that was what I was taught. What I did I did in ignorance. It would be my privilege to study with you. I’m not a JW or not from any other mainline Christian denomination. I’m just a Christian… period. Blessings to you as you hunger and thirst for righteousness.
Thank you for asking. Firstly, I have never heard of Binity. Is there a church that believes in Binity? The Pre-Nicene Christians believed in the Trinity. As I studied their writings, I was surprised how well they understood the Trinity from the earliest writings. God bless you!
@@PostApostolicChurch In my point of view, there are two Persons in the unity of God, the Father and the Son. They both have their Holy Spirit being sent out. These are their Holy Spirit, their Person hood, and are and is God. When we read Spirit of God, it depends on who is sending but most likely and most of the time it's the Father's. We can also read Spirit of Christ in Romans. So, it is of Jesus' Spirit, not the Father's. There are also seven Spirits of God the Father. There are also seven Spirits of the Lamb. Jesus, the express image of His Father. In Paradise, there are only two thrones. I believe that the works of the Holy Spirits were already done that's why they went back to the Source seated on two distinct thrones of the Father and the Son.
@@johannestan8681 Thanks for saying. I have thought about that idea before... that the Holy Spirit is either the Father's spirit or the Son's spirit. I have wondered if that was the case. Sure, there are many passages in the Scriptures that might be interpreted that way.
But there are other passages (I think of John chapter 14) where the Holy Spirit is spoken of by Jesus as being His own Person. For example, John 14:26, Jesus speaks of four different persons.... Father, Son, Spirit, and those listening to Jesus. Jesus says that the Counselor is... (1) sent by the Father, (2) sent in Jesus' name, (3) teacher of all things to those there. The way this verse is phrased, it appears that the Holy Spirit is a different entity/person than the Father, than the Son, and than people. That is, if this is the spirit of the Father, then the Father wouldn't send a spirit... the Father would send Himself. The same with Jesus. What do you think about John 14:26?
I found where Jesus mentions two thrones in Rev 21. To me, it makes sense that the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, because the Holy Spirit is never made a King over anything. The Father gets a throne because He is the Source and the King over all things. The Son gets a throne, because He was made King by His Father. But I cannot think of how the Holy Spirit becomes king. Besides... just because the Holy Spirit doesn't have a throne, this does not mean that the Holy Spirit is not God. What other thoughts do you have?
@@PostApostolicChurch" 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." ---John 14:16. I think and believe that it is more true that there are two Persons in the One unity of God. The Holy Spirit is God, less in authority or rank, like what happened with the Son, because They were sent. Jesus said that He who sends is greater than He who is being sent. As for the throne of the Holy Spirit, you say that He doesn't have one because He was not crowned as King, as for me, looks like not a strong support for your insight. He should have a throne as well if He is a distinct God from the Father and the Son. The work of salvation was already consummated so the Holy Spirit should also already sit on His throne just like what Jesus did since They are all co equal unless like what I had explained that the Holy Spirit is a part of God; that He is not one Person but the Personhood of the Father and the Son being sent out. God has a spiritual body and within it His Holy Spirit resides and can be sent. The same with Jesus. To clarify: The Father sent His Holy Spirit with Jesus along with Jesus' Holy Spirit. So there are now four Spirits yet only two distinct Persons, the Father and the Son. The Another Comforter is another Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, begotten by the Holy Spirit of the Father whom He will send in Jesus name. I hope this illuminated Binity's understanding.
Every Christian should view these videos. They're awesome!
Thank you so much!!! :D
& every Churchian too!
Yes, perhaps if they view these videos they will come to realize where their doctrines derived.
Yes, this video was done very well, and it is knowledge every Christian should be made award. BUT one needs discerment when it comes to understanding the difference bertween doctrinal creeds and the holy scriptures (the Word of God). It's very easy to be mislad on many issues if you're never questioned your most basic assumptions. You can be perfectly sincere in your search for the truth, but not be aware how your preconceived ideas are shaped by the thoughts of others. One can have a brilliant mind and be very sincere, nevertheless, sill be wrong. When I look at the trinity, I realize there is nothing there, it is a house of carrds - there is no triune God in the Scriptures. No-one worshiped one, and no-one talked about one. So why are we not only worshiping a triune God ,but making it a central doctrine and requirment of true" Christianity.The trinity arguments are so weak!
@@priscillajervey6134 its a plural divinity. what would you propose. Christ Jesus. equals the Annointed Jehovah . I assert a trinitarian Divinity.
An easier way of understanding the Trinity is to go back to the story of creation in Genesis.
When God created Adam, He blew the Breath of Life into Adam.
When Mary conceived Jesus (a human) through the Holy Spirit, God the Father not only blew the Breath of Life into Jesus, He also blew His very own Spirit - the Spirit Of The Father - into Jesus' human body. So that Jesus was not only human, He was and is the very nature of the Father - fully human and fully God.
When you understand that Jesus was fully human yet has the very nature of the Father, it becomes easier to understand passages such as God the Father telling Moses to tell the Israelites that I AM had sent him, and Jesus stating to the Pharisees that, before Abraham was, "I AM".
Jesus is the God who led the Israelites out of Egypt.
The new testament says the Spirit came into Christ like a dove at his baptism not his birth. And no where in scripture do we read that Jesus was fully God and fully human....
We do find that even with Jesus having the attributes of God, the word and His spirit dwelling within him he did not consider equality with God something to be grasped/seized. (Keep in mind this is the promised covenant to all of us at the resurrection, not making any of us actually God)
We know in 1 Corinthians 8 6 we are told explicitly that for us the Father is the only God and that Jesus is our lord/master.
The shema tells us there is only one God, total. Numbers and Hosea tells us that God is not born of a woman and is not human.
And Jesus tells us clearly that his father is the only true God in John.
Jesus does not have to be God... He was born to be our Messiah and mediator between us and God, the man (the anointed) Jesus.
Deuteronomy 18:18 19 God tells us about Jesus and His word.
Acts 3:18 26 tells us this man is indeed Jesus.
We do not need to add our own interpretation to scripture it declares itself.
May YHWH bless you!
Also when Jesus says 'I am' notice he said that Abraham saw his day and was glad... Not that he saw Abraham. This day is the prophetic Day of the Lord which all the prophets saw and believed in the Messiah to come. King David believed and knew he would be saved at a later time when the Messiah came and fulfilled prophecy.
Also the scribes (woe to the scribes-Jesus warns) chose to capitalize and make it sound like when God says 'I am' when in fact other 'regular' people used that same phrase 'Ego Eimi' which really just means 'that's me'... The blind man, Paul, John the baptist and Jesus says it again in John 18:6.
@jawnatutorow When you start with an incorrect statement, the chances of you going wrong along the way are pretty high.
The Holy Spirit did not only descend on Christ when He was being baptized by John. There are several verses that talk about Jesus being born of a virgin after being conceived by the Holy Spirit. For, example, Matthew 1:20.
The descending of the Holy Spirit when Jesus was baptized by John is an example of frequent occurrences of the Holy Spirit descending on people who are worshipping God the Father.
For example, after Jesus went to Heaven, the Holy Spirit descended onto the disciples. Then, after Peter healed a man who had been crippled for several years in Acts 4, after being threatened by the Pharisees for preaching the gospel of Christ and healing the man, when the disciples were praying, AGAIN, the Holy Spirit descended on them and shook the place. Interestingly, in Acts 4:25, Peter also talks about King David speaking through the Holy Spirit. So you are mistaken to state that the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus only once.
We tend to overcomplicate the issue of the Trinity. The concept of the Trinity should not be that difficult to grasp if you believe that there is a Heaven, there is Earth and that God is omnipresent in both Heaven and Earth and the entire universe.
God the Father is in Heaven. He is in Spirit form. The omnipresence of the Spirit of God in the Universe outside Heaven is the Holy Spirit. We humans are not spirit -we are flesh. The omnipresence of God in the flesh is Jesus Christ. That is why we must all come to the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. God has manifested Himself in the flesh through Jesus Christ.
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I would ask you to look into the 'virgin birth' prophecy.... Because either there were two men born of a virgin or no man born of a virgin. The new testament did have a bit of mythology mixed in to it by, I'm assuming, well meaning men. But if it cannot be backed up by the old testament I wouldn't hold too tightly to it just because it is written in the new.
Jesus was filled with the holy Spirit it didn't need to come again and again. This is the new covenant promise, Jesus being the first, the alpha, of the new covenant. The disciples were baptized in the spirit once.... It doesn't have to reappear often. It is in us when we accept Gods Spirit and moves us in different ways with different force. It doesn't keep entering us unless we blaspheme the Spirit and it leaves us completely.
The whole point of the biblical stoy is that the Son of God must be a biological descendant of Eve, Abraham and David. He must be truly a jew by linage. " I am so tired of "the Father and I are one" to solidify the Trinity. This verse and John 1:1 seems to be the consummate go-to verses to try and prove Jesus is God. Hence, what should I do with this explicit verse: " Jesus answered and said to him, if anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR abode with him" John 14:23 "That they may all be one; even as thou, Father, are in me, and I in Thee, that they also be be.....in US; that the world may believe that Thou didst send me" John 17:21 When Jesus says he is in God and God in him, why coulnd't this mean "in relationship with"?
I think you are correct here. Blessings and so forth.
1 Timothy 2:5 states that there is only One God who is the Father and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. John 14:23 proves that the Holy Spirit could not be a third God Person who lives in Spirit filled Christians because only the Father and Son abide in true NT believers. Thus, there can be no Trinity Doctrine.
Scripture proves that the Holy Spirit of the Father descended upon the Hebrew virgin to become "the brightness of His glory and the express image of His Person." Thus, Heb. 1:3 proves that the Father's Person was reproduced (charakter) to become an authentic man person who could pray, be tempted, and suffer and die for our sins. Therefore, the Holy Spirit of the Father also became a human son as the indwelling Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17; Gal. 4:6).
John 5:26 states that God has "granted the Son a life in himself." How could a God the Son be granted a life when a God the Son is supposed to have always existed? Thus, it is clear that the human child born and son given was granted a distinct human life by the Father. Jesus is therefore the image of the invisible God as the reproduced image of the invisible Essence of Being of the Father (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3).
Matthew 1:20 proves that the Christ child was "conceived (ek) OUT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT." How could an alleged timeless God the Son have been conceived as the reproduced copy (see "charakter" Heb. 1:3) of the Holy Spirit's substance of being while being timeless?
The trinity doctrine does not harmonize with the scriptural data.
Thanks so much for explaining.
GIM said, "John 14:23 proves that the Holy Spirit could not be a third God Person who lives in Spirit filled Christians because only the Father and Son abide in true NT believers."
This verse doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit. You are making an argument from silence, which is a logical fallacy. Just wanted you to know. You might want to use some other Scripture to disprove the Trinity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence
GIM said, "Heb. 1:3 proves that the Father's Person was reproduced (charakter)"
I would like to call your attention to what the author of Hebrews said. He does not say "Person" at all in this passage. He says "glory" and "nature." And Trinitarians believe that the Son does share the exact glory and nature of the Father.
GIM said, "John 5:26 states that God has "granted the Son a life in himself." How could a God the Son be granted a life when a God the Son is supposed to have always existed?"
Great question! When you look at the context, verse 24 explains that He is talking about eternal life. Both the Father and the Son have eternal life.
GIM, said, "Matthew 1:20 proves that the Christ child was "conceived (ek) OUT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT." How could an alleged timeless God the Son have been conceived as the reproduced copy (see "charakter" Heb. 1:3)"
Where you say "copy" or "character," I believe "engraving" is better (per Strong's Dictionary). God the Son always existed, and when He was born as a man, His human nature would be the akin to the Father's nature. Just as an engraver might engrave his own face into stone, so is Jesus Christ the engraved image of Father God.
Thanks for asking those questions. I'm happy to share my answers with you.
One question I still have for you is how can you say that "the Holy Spirit of the Father descended upon the Hebrew virgin to become" human ...when Matthew wrote that Mary's conception was FROM (very important word in the Greek) the Holy Spirit. The way Matthew wrote it leaves no room for the idea that the Holy Spirit BECAME the Son. Will you explain that?
Blessings!
So many verses do not mention the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. Mark 13:32 says, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." If the Holy Spirit is a third true God Person of a three person deity, how is it that only the Father knows the time of Christ's second coming? The Holy Spirit is rarely mentioned in passages speaking about the Father and the Son because the Holy Spirit is not a third God Person. Jesus never prayed to the Holy Spirit as another distinct person because the Father is the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 1:3 says "Person" in many translations. It has been translated from "hypostasis" which means "Substance of Being." "Person" is closer to "Being" than "nature." So we could translate the passage in Heb. 1:3 as, "Who being the brightness of his glory and the express image of His Being." The context proves that the Son is the brightness and glory of the Father's Being who was reproduced (charakter) as the express image of the Father's Being.
John 5:26 does not say, "eternal life." It says, "... so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself." For just as the Father has a distinct Divine life, so has he granted a distinct human life to the Son.
English Standard Version
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Berean Study Bible
For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.
Berean Literal Bible
For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He gave to the Son to have life in Himself.
New American Standard Bible
For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
CHARAKTER can also mean an "imprint" from an original which is the same thing is reproducing a copy. The meaning is an imprinted or engraved copy from an original. Again, how can a timeless Son be "imprinted" as a copied image of the invisible God?
You wrote, "The way Matthew wrote it leaves no room for the idea that the Holy Spirit BECAME the Son. Will you explain that?"
HELPS Word-studies1537 ek (a preposition, written eks before a vowel) - properly, "out from and to" (the outcome); out from within. 1537 /ek ("out of") is one of the most under-translated (and therefore mis-translated) Greek propositions..."
The Son was granted a distinct life (John 5:26) "out from" - "out from within" or "from out of" the Holy Spirit's Substance of Being (Heb. 1:3) which is the Father's Being. How could the Son have come "out from within" the Holy Spirit's "substance of being" when a God the Son himself should have been the divine person to come down from heaven upon the virgin?
How can a God the Son be said to have been conceived "out from within" another distinct God Person? Trinitarians cannot explain why the scripture has the wrong divine person coming down from heaven to become incarnate. Luke 1:35 also states that "the Holy Spirit shall come upon you" (upon the virgin) ... "and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God (NASB)."
The only reason why the Son is called the Son of God is the NT reason given in Luke 1:35 which proves that the Son is the man who was supernaturally conceived - EK "out from within" the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:20) and EK - "out from within" the virgin (Gal. 4:4).
"But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born OF (EK = "OUT FROM WITHIN) a woman, born under the Law," Gal. 4:4
Here we can see that Christ's divinity is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17 "the Lord is the Spirit) who partook of flesh and blood (Heb. 2:14) "out from within" Mary.
Why do you use unscriptural titles such as "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" when the scriptures only use the title, "God the Father" as "the only true God" (John 17:3)?
Very good questions. Unfortunately, Trinitarians always find a way to dismantle the clear and explicit verses.
there are so many scriptures show almighty god and jesus are seperate and that almighty is greater but to make it easier to understand is thes scriptures show jesus was created by almighty god so he is a creation a first born,
colos 1:15
psalm 2:6-7
heb:1:5-6
like very much thank you and God bless
After working through this group’s excellent presentation “Septuagint Series” which was really well supported and reasoned by the way … I then starting working through their “Divinity Series” and was quickly DISAPPOINTED. This poorly researched series should have been titled … “Divinity Series (supports for ignoring a plain reading of scripture)”.
An UNBIBLICAL Roman Catholic Trinitarian bias is introduced from the outset in this first video. Statements by the Pre-Nicene Church Fathers (who appear to have differing understandings of Gods nature) are taken out of context and loaded with extra meaning. Most of these same Church fathers, elsewhere in their writings, clearly have a monotheistic view of God and a subordinate view of His Son Jesus. See the sources below. Later Trinitarian bias and man-centered reasoning is applied to the writings of the Church Fathers and to scripture giving us something else. Wherever the bible describes the simple unity of action or agreement between Father, Son, and Spirit … a form of Gnosticism or hidden knowledge in the form of the mysterious Roman Catholic trinity is added in. This isn’t bible folks!
I was a Trinitarian for 40 years before I finally decided to put aside my indoctrinated man-made Trinitarian filter and do an in-depth study of the scriptures and Pre-Nicene Church fathers. What started this for me was trying to GENUINELY prove the Trinity to a new Christian convert (who left their family and Islam for Christianity). “The Trinity is a mystery, so just accept it” was never going to cut it for them. NOR SHOULD IT. We are not called to serve a God of confusion! I fairly quickly came to the position that my understanding of the nature of God was quite wrong (that was 7 years ago, and I am more than ever convinced of the biblical monotheistic presentation of Almighty God, and now have a corrected biblical understanding of both Jesus and the Holy Spirit). To my amazement, many of the confusing bible verses (Old and New Testaments) were no longer confusing when adhering to the bible’s strictly monotheistic teaching of Almighty God. This same monotheistic understanding has always been held by Jesus, the Apostles, the OT prophets, and YES - a decent majority of Pre-Nicene Church Fathers. BE WARY OF THE TRINITARIAN BIAS IN THIS SET OF TEACHINGS. Check your bible and go read more writings from these early Church Fathers.
The presenter inventively uses a new term “The Divinity” as a vehicle to read in Trinity bias and then load statements from early church fathers as them being supportive of the LATER man-invented Trinity. "The Divinity" is his “straw-man” in all of this is (sounds a bit Gnostic or even pantheistic to me) … He goes on to say we need a better way of explaining “The Divinity” - a bait and switch for “God” used everywhere in the bible. STOP ... we need a right understanding of “Almighty God” the Father, Jesus his son, the Holy Spirit, and also the other usages of the word “god” BASED ON SCRIPTURE ALONE ... NOT this man-centered reasoning / interpretations of quite selective writings of later church Fathers who are clearly not in full agreement among themselves (in quite a few ways). Many of these same Church Fathers ALSO say things that are very monotheistic if you further explore their writings.
One good place to start is with Sean Finnegan’s presentation “The Trinity before Nicea - 7 Early Theologians” (tinyurl.com/bddap4vz) who talks of some the above church Fathers. Another excellent in-depth exploration of what many early Church Fathers really understood about the “nature of God” is given here … tinyurl.com/59cxrxfd ... An excellent resource is provided by the ministry “Restitutio - Restoring Authentic Christianity” with their comprehensive teaching series on “Early Church History” (tinyurl.com/4uv4nx54).
It's very confusing you would say the Trinitarian view is Gnostic. Nothing could be more non-Trinitarian. To them, Christ was the first Aeon, an emanation of the Father, and not at all equal with "God".
Question: How is the word "economy" being used in these quotes? I can't find a meaning other than the one commonly used.
Economy in ancient Greek means "the norm of the house"
@@etienner5659 Thank you so much.
and it's not candid form your side to ignore Arius vision even if you disageree with him you must be honest and show people all the pre-nicean christian views
Philo of Alexandria, an early christian convert, a Jewish Greek philosopher and a Platonist, introduced the concept of Trinity in the Christian Church. His student, Theophilus, modified the Concept of Trinity. It was Tertullian who defined and harmonized the Trinity Concept as it is now.
Saint Athanasius, institutionalized the doctrine of Trinity after the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. adopted it as a doctrine of the Catholic Church
It does not matter what these early Christians believe , I have a complete bible or did they have more information ?
Thank you for commenting. While the writings of the early Christians are not necessary to our Christian lives, there is a whole lot of useful information that can build our faith. One of the things that the early Christians had that we do not were the traditions of the apostles. For example, Paul wrote, "Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter" (2Thes 2:15. Again, while the traditions left by word of mouth are not necessary for our Christian life, they can be useful because they came from the apostles. God bless!
@@PostApostolicChurch ,that would be interesting , what did they say was the traditions that we don't know clearly ?
Most of the traditions of the early Christians that are seen as apostolic are HOW some of the Biblical instructions can be followed. Some examples include baptism... it is for adults and it is for the forgiveness of sins and salvation. Lord's Supper... it was observed every week. Head coverings... the instructions Paul gives in 1Cor 11 were not seen as cultural or optional; they were seen as apostolic teaching. There are many more examples. In short, the early Christians' writings are useful to us in learning what the apostles meant behind the things they did write in the Scriptures.
If Jesus is not God in the flesh then we Christians are breaking and ignoring the first commandment of God. Also, if He is just an image of God and not God in flesh then the 2nd Commandment is ignored.
Thanks for commenting, Tamara! What you said is very good. Is there something in the video that said Jesus is not God in the flesh?
in Matthew 28:19 The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have the same ONE name. Alot of people miss that.
Thank you so much for sharing these insights into the post-apostolic church. Most engaging & enlightening.
Thank you!
1. Eusebius (c. 260-c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Although he wrote prolifically, his most celebrated work is his Ecclesiastical History, a history of the Church from the Apostolic period until his own time. Today it is still the principal work on the history of the Church at that time. Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words “IN MY NAME.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:
But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:
What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Saviour has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “GO YE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS IN MY NAME.”
Eusebius was present at the council of Nicaea and was involved in the debates about Arian teaching and whether Christ was God or a creation of God. We feel confident that if the manuscripts he had in front of him read “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” he would never have quoted it as “in my name.” Thus, we believe that the earliest manuscripts read “IN MY NAME,” and that the phrase was enlarged to reflect the orthodox position as Trinitarian influence spread.
2. If Matthew 28:19 is accurate as it stands in modern versions, then there is no explanation for the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single occurrence of them baptizing anyone according to that formula. All the records in the New Testament show that people were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the “name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptized.” “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts 2:38). “They had simply been baptized into the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he ordered that they be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On hearing this, they were baptized into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptize in his name, and that was what the early Church did.
18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
I love Tertullian's illustration about the Son being the rays coming from the Sun, the Father. Or the river flowing from the spring. It demonstrates so very well how both Father and Son can be eternal, even if the Son comes from the Father.
The best I've ever heard and understood
I like the analogy of the spring/river. There is also the analogy of the roots/trunk/fruit of a tree. :)
Duke, I like the one given in Revelation. Jesus is the lamp and the light that shines outward from in the lamp is the Father. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
The Son has always been and always will be, just as the Father has always been and always will be.
Divinity. Does 1 make 3 or does
3 make 1?
I believe Arranius, who spoke for most Christians of the time, that there is only one. no three.
Heretic
THE ONENESS OF GOD IS THE ESSENCE OF GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
AND IS A SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT AND NOT AN INTELLECTUAL CALCULATION FOR ALL OF
GOD'S CREATION IS OF THE ONENESS OF GOD AND THOSE WHO CHALLENGE THAT ONENESS
WILL BE DESTROYED.
REVELATION 13
AND I SAW THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS COMING OUT OF THE
MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, OF OUT - THE MOUTH OF THE BEAST AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF
THE FALSE PROPHET.
[ELIJAH OF THE 2
WITNESSES WILL POSSIBLY CHALLENGE - IT - THE TRINITY AND THE TRINITY'S INVOCATIONS
WILL BE CALLED UPON TO HARM THE WITNESSES. BUT ELIJAH WILL REPEAT WHAT HE SAID TO
THE UNBELIEVERS IN THE VERSES BELOW:-]
1 KINGS 18
21 ELIJAH WENT BEFORE
THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD
IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING.
[ - ELIJAH REPEATS HIMSELF AS AN END TIME WITNESS.-]
[ - ELIJAH WENT BEFORE
THE PEOPLE AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU WAVER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD
IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM.” - BUT THE PEOPLE SAID NOTHING. - ]
1 CORINTHIANS 10
21 YOU CANNOT DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD AND THE CUP OF
DEMONS - [THE TRINITY] YOU CANNOT PARTAKE OF THE LORD’S TABLE AND OF
THE TABLE OF DEMONS.] - [THE TRINITY]
[ -AFTER THE 2 WITNESSES ARE “CALLED UP HITHER” THE TRINITY
FOLLOWERS TURN AGAINST EACH OTHER; SOME SHOUTING WE HAVE BEEN DUPED AND SOME
SHALL CALL ON HE NAME OF JESUS AND REPENTED.- ]
SO NOW WHAT JESUS HAD :-
MATTHEW 12
25 BUT JESUS KNEW THEIR THOUGHTS, AND SAID TO THEM:
" EVERY KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF IS BROUGHT TO DESOLATION,
AND “EVERY CITY OR HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT STAND.”
“EVERY CITY OR HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF WILL NOT STAND.”
MATTHEW 7 [BUILD YOUR HOUSE ON JESUS THE ROCK AND THE CORNERSTONE]
26 AND EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS OF MINE AND DOES NOT
DO THEM WILL BE LIKE A FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE SAND. [>>>
THE TRINITY]
27 AND THE RAIN FELL, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW AND BEAT AGAINST
THAT HOUSE, AND IT FELL, AND GREAT WAS THE FALL OF IT.”
[ -THE TRINITY IS THE HOUSE BUILT ON SAND THE ROCK OF SIMON
MAGUS POSSIBLY THE FIRST AND THE LAST POPE AND NOT IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS
WHO IS THE ROCK AND THE CORNERSTONE.- ]
PSALM 141 - LET THE WICKED FALL INTO THEIR OWN NETS, - WHILE I PASS BY SAFELY.
PSALM 7 - 15 HE MAKES A PIT, DIGGING IT OUT, AND FALLS INTO
THE HOLE THAT HE HAS MADE.
[ -THE TRINITY IS PAGAN AND IS AN IDOL OF 3 OR MORE SPIRITS OF
WICKEDNESS AND IS SATAN FEIGNED AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.
IT OPPOSES EVERYTHING THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES US AND IT
FEEDS GULLIBLE EGOS WITH LIES, FALSE IMAGES OF OUR LORD AND FEEDS FALSE DEVOTIONAL
EMOTIONS, DOCTRINES AND CREEDS AND IDOLS OF ALL KINDS TO DISTRACT US FROM THE
SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST. - ]
2 CORINTHIANS 11
3 I AM AFRAID, HOWEVER, THAT JUST AS EVE WAS DECEIVED BY THE
SERPENT’S CUNNING, YOUR MINDS MAY BE LED ASTRAY FROM YOUR SIMPLE AND PURE
DEVOTION TO CHRIST.
1 CORINTHIANS 5
7 GET RID OF THE OLD YEAST, SO THAT YOU MAY BE A NEW
UNLEAVENED BATCH-AS YOU REALLY ARE. FOR CHRIST, OUR PASSOVER LAMB, HAS BEEN
SACRIFICED.
8 THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FESTIVAL, NOT WITH THE OLD BREAD LEAVENED WITH MALICE
AND WICKEDNESS, BUT WITH THE UNLEAVENED BREAD OF SINCERITY AND TRUTH.
JOHN 20 - 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID,
“RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
JOB 32
8 - BUT IT IS THE SPIRIT IN MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY
THAT MAKES HIM UNDERSTAND.
“” EUSEBIUS “”
“IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,” HE WOULD NEVER HAVE QUOTED IT
AS “IN MY NAME.” THUS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EARLIEST MANUSCRIPTS READ “IN MY
NAME,” AND THAT THE PHRASE WAS ENLARGED TO REFLECT THE ORTHODOX POSITION AS
TRINITARIAN INFLUENCE SPREAD.
2. IF MATTHEW 28:19 IS ACCURATE AS IT STANDS IN MODERN
VERSIONS, THEN THERE IS NO EXPLANATION FOR THE APPARENT DISOBEDIENCE OF THE
APOSTLES, SINCE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE OCCURRENCE OF THEM BAPTIZING ANYONE
ACCORDING TO THAT FORMULA. ALL THE RECORDS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SHOW THAT
PEOPLE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, JUST AS THE TEXT EUSEBIUS
WAS QUOTING SAID TO DO. IN OTHER WORDS, THE “NAME OF JESUS CHRIST,” I.E., ALL
THAT HE REPRESENTS, IS THE ELEMENT, OR SUBSTANCE, INTO WHICH PEOPLE WERE FIGURATIVELY
“BAPTIZED.” “PETER REPLIED, ‘REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU, IN THE
NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (ACTS 2:38). “THEY HAD
SIMPLY BEEN BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (ACTS 8:16). “SO HE
ORDERED THAT THEY BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” (ACTS 10:48). “ON
HEARING THIS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (ACTS 19:5).
WE CANNOT IMAGINE ANY REASON FOR THE APOSTLES AND OTHERS IN ACTS TO DISOBEY A
COMMAND OF THE RISEN CHRIST. TO US, IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT CHRIST SAID TO BAPTIZE
IN HIS NAME, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE EARLY CHURCH DID.
18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL AUTHORITY
HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
JOB 5:13
HE CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS, AND THE SCHEMES
OF THE WILY ARE BROUGHT TO A QUICK END.
1 CORINTHIANS 3:19
FOR THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD IS FOLLY WITH GOD. FOR IT IS
WRITTEN, “HE CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS,”
LUKE 10
21 AT THAT MOMENT HE WAS FILLED WITH JOY BY THE RUACH
HAKODESH AND SAID,
“FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, I THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU CONCEALED
THESE THINGS FROM THE SOPHISTICATED AND EDUCATED, YET REVEALED THEM TO ORDINARY
PEOPLE
. YES, FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT IT PLEASED YOU TO DO THIS.
22 “MY FATHER HAS HANDED OVER EVERYTHING TO ME. INDEED, NO
ONE FULLY KNOWS WHO THE SON IS EXCEPT THE FATHER, AND WHO THE FATHER IS EXCEPT
THE SON AND THOSE TO WHOM THE SON WISHES TO REVEAL HIM.”
JOHN 20
27 THEN HE SAID TO
THOMAS, “PUT YOUR FINGER HERE; SEE MY HANDS. REACH OUT YOUR HAND AND PUT IT
INTO MY SIDE. STOP DOUBTING AND BELIEVE.”
28 THOMAS SAID TO HIM, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”
YES! WE ALL WILL BE IN THE ONENESS OF GOD IN FAITH -
HUMILITY SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
ISAIAH
6 FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN,
UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN;
AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER.
AND HIS NAME WILL BE CALLED
WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD,
EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE.
[ -THE LAMB OF GOD - THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN, THE LION OF
JUDAH, THE ROOT OF DAVID, THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID - “THE STAR OF DAVID - THE
BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.- ]
[I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR VIDEOS WHICH HAVE BEEN A GREAT
INSPIRATION TO ME.]
GOD BLESS YOU AND PEACE BE UNTO YOU.
PLEASE EXCUSE CAPS BUT I AM RATHER OLD THESE DAYS AND CAPS
ON AIDS ME GREATLY.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHY USE CAPS BUT THEN
YOU EXPLAINED IT.
None of these pre-nicenes said the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal ,the Son is always subject to the Father and always will be
All you, who do not believe in the Trinity, please contemplate on Ef 4,30: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” An energy cannot be grieved, nor should be named “whom” in the Bible. So who is the Holy Spirit?
G. Mancus consider the title itself...son means one born of a father Father means the one who brought forth a child...Spirit Refers to a different aspect for which we are not so well equipped to speak except through BIBLICAL examples and perhaps exorcism where Spirits of devil's are cast out of individuals. Hence we can understand the Spirit to be OF AN entity and can bring unity or division as Jesus said Ye know not what Spirit YE ARE OF
PERHAPS we can say the Spirit is the mind of God which THE FATHER AND SON SHARE..THE LIFE which they offer to beget life in us who believe.
Making us a new CREATION.
However the trinity doctrine does not allow for true Fatherhood of God or of the Death of CHRIST.
Realize that God and Jesus are one. God entered humanity as Jesus, taught us to live as his children and to follow his example. He went back to heave as a savior and as a King of all. There is no trinity. It has always been God and he sacrificed his body to save us.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Three in ONE! The bible is CLEAR on this Fact.. If you came to a different conclusion while reading the Holy Scriptures, then REREAD THEM...
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Amen 🙏🙏🙏
Actually the Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible. The Bible is very clear the Almighty God Jehovah is one and there is no other. Jesus is the created one of Jehovah, Jesus was created as the firstborn of creation and all things were created through him. Jesus prayed to and worshipped Jehovah as his God. Satan tempted and tested Jesus' loyalty to Jehovah. Jesus responded by quoting the law that it was Jehovah alone who is to worshipped. Jesus maintained his faithfulness until death and set the example for us. All a Jew had to do to become a Christian was to accept Jesus as the messiah, there is not a word about the Trinity. No one in the Bible mentions, teaches or explains it. It doesn't exist in the Bible. There is no revealing or first appearance of the Trinity in the Bible. It is a post biblical doctrine that appeared as part of the foretold apostasy. The post Biblical development of the Trinity is revealed in the writtings of the early church fathers. The modern Trinity took hundreds of years to take shape. A doctrine completely unknown to biblical writers and in complete conflict with the nature of both Jehovah God and his son Jesus. To find the Trinity in the Bible, a Trinitarian has to project the Trinity into the Bible. Because simply reading the Bible without preconceptions doesn't reveal anything like a Trinity doctrine.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;' (1 Timothy 2:5)
do you believe in the trinity???.. I do..
Yes, I do. :)
Awakened2Truth,
You said a lot of things. In love, I would love to discuss this with you, but it would be better to wait until after my next two videos which will make things more clear by looking more seriously at the Scriptures. You made lots of claims to history, and I hope that you can deliver historical evidence for what you said. But please, I humbly ask that you wait until after the third video in a few weeks to comment again so we can discuss this important issue. And I hope we can do so in love.
I wish you God’s blessings as we live this life and strive to understand God’s truth.
The Trinity is Biblical and it explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD like in Numbers 11:25. I know it is true because I was taken in Spirit and seen The Biblical GOD. But there is no God but CHRIST JESUS.
@@PrintOfLife Biblical Trinity it's explained clearly as The Father is (God) Jesus Christ the Son is (God) and the Holy Spirit is (God) but they're "only One God"....not 3 Gods
obed v The Lord JESUS CHRIST is the only God and Sovereign (Jude 1: 4). HE came into the very world HE created but the world did not recognized HIM. That’s John 1:10.
Love it. Please send me. PRE NICENE CHRIATIANITY
The folly and hubris of trying to comprehend God. Perhaps if we keep on trying for yet another 6000 years, we will get closer.
Some pre nicean believed 3 persons but many more did NOT. What did the pre Christian believers believe now that would be an interesting question as history tells us the apostles and early disciples did not call themselves Christians. If your going back trace the whole thread available.
Thank you for commenting. I'm not familiar with even one pre-Nicene Christian who did not believe in three Persons. Which one(s) did not believe in three Persons? God bless you!
Thank you.
"" GET OVER IT " GOD IS ONE ""
GOD IS ONE SPIRIT.
JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL:
THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.
EPHESIANS 4:5-6
ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL.
MARK 12:29-32
ROMANS 8:1
THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.
JOHN 10:30
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.”
JOHN 14:20
IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I IN YOU.
JAMES 2:19
YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE; YOU DO WELL. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE-AND SHUDDER!
ZECHARIAH 14:9
AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES - TO THE GLORY OD GOD THE FATHER FOR THEY ARE ONE.
Mathematically speaking you are saying.
It's not 1+1+1
But it is 1x1x1
But has anyone looked at this theory. The Holy Spirit IS the Word of God?
"the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE" ....
I shall await anyone who can respond to this inquiry. Shalom
Thank you for commenting! I really like the idea of 1x1x1. That is very good.
In that verse, it looks like "words" is meant literally. Those are the words that are coming out of Jesus' mouth. But when it comes to the Word of God (not literal, spoken words), the Bible applies this to Jesus, the Son. Regarding a figurative representation of the Holy Spirit, there are times in the Bible where He is called the Wisdom of God. God bless!
@@PostApostolicChurch So are you saying the Holy Spirit is the Wisdom of God rather than the Word (as I alluded to)? Just want to clarify for edification.
@@WiggTheMobileBarbR As a rule of thumb, yes. It's not a hard-fast rule, but I agree with that.
@@PostApostolicChurch So is it safe to say that the Wisdom comes after the Word? Meaning I gain the wisdom after searching it out? Or the Wisdom is what helps to understand the Word? Hope I'm making sense.
@@WiggTheMobileBarbR Good question. In "lower case letters," yes. "words are given, and wisdom is gained" But when it comes to "upper case letters," I would not say that Wisdom (Holy Spirit) comes from the Word (Jesus Christ) in the same way that wisdom comes from words. The Word and Wisdom are sent by the Father. But I might be getting too theologically deep now. I'll put it this way:
words are given, wisdom is gained (this comes from things like the book of Proverbs)
The Word and Wisdom are given to humanity (These come from God)
MATTHEW 28 - 19 IS A FORGERY. "" COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE. ""
2. If Matthew 28:19
there is no explanation for
the apparent disobedience of the apostles, since there is not a single
occurrence of them baptising anyone according to that formula. All the records
in the New Testament show that people were baptised into the name of the Lord
Jesus, just as the text Eusebius was quoting said to do. In other words, the
“name of Jesus Christ,” i.e., all that he represents, is the
element, or substance, into which people were figuratively “baptised.” “Peter
replied, ‘Repent and be baptised, every one of you, IN THE NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS’” (Acts
2:38). “They had simply been baptised into
the NAME OF THE LORD
JESUS” (Acts 8:16). “So he
ordered that they be baptised in the NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST” (Acts 10:48). “On
hearing this, they were baptised into THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS” (Acts 19:5). We cannot
imagine any reason for the Apostles and others in Acts to disobey a command of
the risen Christ. To us, it seems clear that Christ said to baptise in his
name, and that was what the early Church did.
MATTHEW 28 v 18 AND JESUS CAME AND SPOKE TO THEM, SAYING, “ALL
AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
Joe Bach YES!!!
In fact HIS NAME is not Jesus
H3467 in the Old Testament concordance is YASHA + YA suffix means my YASHIYA translates my salvation
Dionysius, third-century bishop of Alexandria, wrote a treatise against millennialism, and, in order to prevent those who adhered to this opinion from basing their belief on the Revelation of John.
Cyprian quotes the Johannine Comma, found in the Byzantine Manuscripts, or called the “Majority Text”.
Pretty fascinating & this was dated in 250 AD. So we have evidence that some of the early church favored manuscripts that seemed to have what is found in the Majority Text. Thoughts?
Thank you for commenting. You are correct. On the side, I'm going through differences between the Byzantine and Alexandrian families. I'm looking to see how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted them. For example, the first difference is in Matt 1:25. The Byzantine manuscripts say that Jesus was Mary's firstborn son. The Alexandrian manuscripts leave out "firstborn." So I looked at how the Pre-Nicene Christians quoted Matt 1:25. Some included firstborn and some left it out. As I continued looking at quotations, so far my conclusion is that the Pre-Nicene Christians did not favor one manuscript family over another. I don't think one family is superior to the other. What we know for sure is that the differences between Byzantine and Alexandrian existed during the Pre-Nicene period. God bless you!
Godhead was used much earlier than 1390, it is used in the Bible.
Thank you for commenting. I must admit: I believe the same thing you said, until I did some research. While some translations have put "Godhead" into the Bible, that is not the Greek word that is used there. When I researched the first time "Godhead" appeared, it first appeared with John Wycliffe.
Someone help me with "we will share the nature of God" please
Thank you for commenting. The Pre-Nicene Christians believed that, at the resurrection of all people, the righteous will be changed. They will gain some of the attributes of the divine God. This includes attributes like immorality, never again being susceptible to sicknesses or sin, and being able to live in Father God's presence. The best place to get an understanding of this is 1Corinthians 15. In that chapter, Paul talks a lot about this transformation, which will happen at the resurrection of all people. If you have any other questions about this, feel free to ask away. God bless you!
@@PostApostolicChurch THANK YOU SO MUCH!
You sound like a Catholic Jesus becomes your father when you're born again it's all explained in one word his name in Hebrew is YAHushua. 7 names for God in Isaiah 9:6 and his name shall be called wonderful counselor who is the Holy Spirit The Mighty God Jesus's name is the Mighty God and there's only one God and His Name shall be called the Everlasting father and his name is Jesus we know him in Hebrew as Yahweh is salvation YAHushua
To be sure Christian sects and denominations differ. Sometimes even on primary issues. What sets Christianity apart then is that we have the revealed word of God by which believers are to test all things. This revelation is unique in its transmission through history via thousands of surviving manuscripts which are seperated by time and geography and is affirmed by the early writings of the church fathers. I agree that Christian sects differ but we can stand firm on God's word and with his spirit identify the truth.
Thank you for commenting. Well said!
The dual natuare hypotheses - the God-man. What a crock! Divine nature and human nataure cannot be set side by side and numbered as if they were similar quantities. The Chalcedonian formula makes a genuine humanity impossible. The Council calls Jesus true God. The NT shies away from calling Jesus God. 1 Tim. 1:5 " For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."
What do you think of this of this Scripture?
John 20:27-29. Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.” Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Those who believe without seeing are blessed.”
@@PostApostolicChurch compare this with Jesus's response to Peter in Mathew16:15-17
I feel that Jesus was not too happy with Thomas's lack of faith. He did not correct Thomas calling Him Lord and God bcos even satan is called the god of this world. So what more Jesus, through whom The Father created all things.I have to say though that I enjoyed and appreciate the info you have shared. thanks!
" I go to THE FATHER, for THE FATHER is GREATER than I" . John 14:28. , I ascend unto my FATHER and your FATHER; and to my GOD, and your GOD. John 20:17, "My GOD, My GOD, why have You forsaken Me? Mark 15:34. Jesus has a GOD, he said it, now please stop, you think THE LIVING ETERNAL GOD died for three days?
And do you Pray to Father in your name or In Christ name and wich Spirit🙏🙏🙏
Typical jw response. Of course Jesus was lower, but only during that time he was here on Earth. He chose to humble himself and give up his throne to take the role of a servant to teach us the example of the perfect faith that's expected from him.
Interesting points and yet many of them do not prove a trinity of three persons that are co equal, coneternal. More so it proves three distinctions of one all powerfuly God who can be father son and Holy Ghost at the same time, and as many stated its a more economic trinity yet coming from one God.
The co equal and co eternal aspects came from many of the gnostics and thats what tended to be adopted here but none of these early fathers would agtee with how the trinity is now adays and would call it paganism in how much they get divided up.
I agree with Ireneous 🔥🙏🏾one God the Father is declared who is above all and through all and in all
The Father is 8ndeed above all and he is the Head of Christ ….but the Word is through all things and is Himsekf the Head of the church while the Spirit is in us all❤️🔥💜🙏🏾
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Nice
Godhead = God (the Father) Glorified Resurrected, God (The Son) Glorified Resurrected, God (The Holy Ghost) Personage of Spirit.
The father is spirit and holy, the holy spirit dwelled in the son, the son came from the bosom of the father.
God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Ensure you are worshipping the Spirit
I think it's good to look into these types of non biblical writings including the apocrypha just to get a better idea of the mindset of the early church. But you need to have the sense God gave a cow and eat the grass but leave the sticks
My thing I don’t think they taught that the Son of God always was the Son begotten from eternity , He was the Word so it’s important to note that the Word became the son. And The Son is Divine , the 3 are one as John says
Unity is a primary message throughout scripture. Jesus' prayer to his Father is full of talk of unity and inheritance of authority. Nowhere in scripture is trinity elevated in importance. I'm not proclaiming that there are no trinitarian ways of perceiving divinity, only that it seems to be not accurate without being limiting. How do we know that we are only acknowledging the three aspects of The Divine we are aware of: Father, Son and Spirit -- and there are actually more that we cannot conceive of? Throughout the Bible, God stresses His Unity to me through the ministry of the Son who sends the Holy Spirit, which testifies about the Son, which testifies about the Father.
John 17:20
20 “I do not pray for these alone [it is not for their sake only that I make this request], but also for [all] those who [will ever] believe and trust in Me through their message, 21 that they all may be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe [without any doubt] that You sent Me.
After watching this I find it confusing. i believe in the Godhead, 3 separate and distinct personages that are one in purpose.
Thank you for commenting. Perhaps because the point of this video is to point out the mystery (unknowables) about the nature of God. I recommend watching the rest of the videos in this series; they are about the knowables about the nature of God. From your statement of belief, you already have a good understanding of the nature of God. :) God bless you!
Please help me understand John 8 and do this for me, where it says Father insert the word "God" since you believe the Father is God. Where it says Jesus insert the word "God" since you believe Jesus is also God. And where you believe it's speaking of the triune being would you please insert the word "triune being." Thanks for your help.
Do you mean insert the word "Father" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Father, and inserting the word "Jesus" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about Jesus, and insert the word "triune being" instead of God whenever I believe it is talking about the Divinity?
Post-Apostolic Church Now each person is God so insert the word God for them both and where it's the triune being that is being spoken of insert triune being. It makes perfect sense if your doctrine is true.
Sure thing. I have pasted John 8 below. I cannot straight up replace all their names with “God,” because as I said in my video, that gets confusing on who is talking about who. Remember, “God” simply means deity. So the short answer is: Jesus is deity and the Father is deity (but they are not two Gods). So I will do my best to do what you asked and capitalize the names so help people understand what John was trying to write. Please let me know if what I did below doesn’t make sense.
1 But GOD JESUS went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn He went to the temple complex again, and all the
people were coming to Him. He sat down and began to teach them.
3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in
adultery, making her stand in the center. 4 “Teacher,” they
said to Him, “this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In
the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?” 6 They
asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him.
GOD JESUS stooped down and started
writing on the ground with His finger. 7 When they persisted in
questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you
should be the first to throw a stone at her.”
8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the
ground. 9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting
with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center. 10 When
GOD JESUS stood up, He said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one
condemned you?”
11 “No one, Lord,” she answered.
“Neither do I condemn you,” said GOD
JESUS. “Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.”]
12 Then GOD JESUS spoke to them again: “I am the light of the world.
Anyone who follows Me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light
of life.”
13 So the Pharisees said to Him, “You are testifying about
Yourself. Your testimony is not valid.”
14 “Even if I testify about Myself,” GOD JESUS replied, “My
testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I’m going. But
you don’t know where I come from or where I’m going. 15 You
judge by human standards. I judge no one. 16 And if I do judge,
My judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and GOD the FATHER who sent
Me judge together. 17 Even in your law it is written that the
witness of two men is valid. 18 I am the One who testifies
about Myself, and GOD the FATHER who sent Me testifies about Me.”
19 Then they asked Him, “Where is GOD Your FATHER?”
“You know neither Me nor GOD My
FATHER,” GOD JESUS answered. “If you knew Me, you would also know My Father.” 20 He
spoke these words by the treasury, while teaching in the temple complex. But no
one seized Him, because His hour had not come.
21 Then He said to them again, “I’m going away; you will look
for Me, and you will die in your sin. Where I’m going, you cannot come.”
22 So the Jews said again, “He won’t kill Himself, will He,
since He says, ‘Where I’m going, you cannot come’?”
23 “You are from below,” He told them, “I am from above. You
are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I told
you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you
will die in your sins.”
25 “Who are You?” they questioned.
“Precisely what I’ve been telling
you from the very beginning,” GOD JESUS told them. 26 “I have
many things to say and to judge about you, but the One who sent Me is true, and
what I have heard from Him-these things I tell the world.”
27 They did not know He was speaking to them about GOD the FATHER.
28 So Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man (AND
SON OF GOD), then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own.
But just as GOD the FATHER taught Me, I say these things. 29 The
One who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what
pleases Him.”
30 As He was saying these things, many believed in Him. 31 So
GOD JESUS said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you
really are My disciples. 32 You will know the truth, and the
truth will set you free.”
33 “We are descendants of Abraham,” they answered Him, “and we
have never been enslaved to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will become free’?”
34 GOD JESUS responded, “I assure you: Everyone who commits sin
is a slave of sin. 35 A slave does not remain in the household
forever, but a son does remain forever. 36 Therefore, if GOD the
Son sets you free, you really will be free. 37 I know you are
descendants of Abraham, but you are trying to kill Me because My word is not
welcome among you. 38 I speak what I have seen in the presence
of GOD the FATHER; therefore, you do what you have heard from your father.”
39 “Our father is Abraham!” they replied.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” GOD
JESUS told them, “you would do what Abraham did. 40 But now you
are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God (THE
FATHER). Abraham did not do this! 41 You’re doing what your
father does.”
“We weren’t born of sexual
immorality,” they said. “We have one Father-God.” (I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PEOPLE MEANT “GOD”
HERE. I WOULD GUESS THEY ARE SAYING, “We
have one spiritual father-the triune God.”)
42 GOD JESUS said to them, “If THE TRIUNE God were your (SPIRITUAL)
Father, you would love Me, because I came from God THE FATHER and I am here.
For I didn’t come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why don’t you
understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You
are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature,
because he is a liar and the father of liars. 45 Yet because I
tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Who among you can
convict Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe Me? 47 The
one who is from THE TRIUNE God listens to THE TRIUNE God’s words. This is why
you don’t listen, because you are not from God.” (THIS LAST “GOD” COULD BE USED BOTH
WAYS. EITHER triune god OR god the
father WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE.)
48 The Jews responded to Him, “Aren’t we right in saying that
You’re a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 “I do not have a demon,” GOD JESUS answered. “On the
contrary, I honor GOD My Father and you dishonor Me. 50 I do
not seek My glory; the One who seeks it also judges. 51 I
assure you: If anyone keeps My word, he will never see death-ever!”
52 Then the Jews said, “Now we know You have a demon. Abraham
died and so did the prophets. You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never
taste death-ever!’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham
who died? Even the prophets died. Who do You pretend to be?”
54 “If I glorify Myself,” Jesus answered, “My glory is nothing.
GOD My Father-you say about Him, ‘He is our TRIUNE God’-He is the One who
glorifies Me. 55 You’ve never known Him, but I know Him. If I
were to say I don’t know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him,
and I keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham was overjoyed that
he would see My day; he saw it and rejoiced.”
57 The Jews replied, “You aren’t 50 years old yet, and You’ve
seen Abraham?”
58 GOD JESUS said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I
am.”
59 At that, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But GOD
JESUS was hidden and went out of the temple complex.
Post-Apostolic Church that's a God of mass confusion you have there. You see if Jesus were a man like it was repeated by everyone in the Scriptures until the Gnostics, of which John addressed in his letters, we have no confusion and the Scriptures all make sense without all the fables and contradictions that the trinity creates. The early church you quoted saying the Father and son are one doesn't prove anything unless we too are a fourth part of the so called triune being. You're trying to read into their writings this pagan gnostic trinity concept like you're going to do to the Scriptures with presupposed presuppositions. Trinitarians do not considered "the whole counsel of God" on the matter while hypocritically ignoring any and every fact of Scripture which does not suit the Trinity. I know it's true for I was a guilty culprit myself of doing this.
Jesus said -
"I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Me through their message. May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. I have given them the glory You have given Me. May they be one as We are one. I am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so the world may know You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me." (John 17:20-23)
"But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Cor. 6:17)
Tertullian was just crazy as all get out when it came to understanding who God was by nature as he explained "as a mystery." God never said he was a mystery. He actually said we CAN know Him.
Jesus prayed to the only God, the FATHER, that we may know Him. "This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ." John 17:3
Thanks for discussing this with me. I hope you'll stick around for my next two videos (especially the third), because they make the Divinity so much more clear.
Theophilus of Antioch was an early Semi-Arian who denied the full deity of Christ. “God then, having his own Word internal, within His own bowels BEGOT HIM, EMITTING HIM ALONG WITH WISDOM BEFORE ALL THINGS (before the creation of material things) emitting him along with wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by him he made all things.” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 10)
Notice that Theophilus of Antioch taught that the “Word (logos)” was “internal, within His (the Father’s) own bowls” before the Word (logos) was actually begotten! Hence, according to Theophilus, the Father “begot him (the Son), emitting him along with wisdom before all things.”
Thus we can see that Theophilus taught that the Son was begotten by God the Father, “emitting him along with wisdom before all things (before creation).”
Theophilus' idea of a Trinity (trias in Greek) was that the Word and the Wisdom of God were emitted (literally "ejected") by God the Father from His "own bowls." This sounds nothing like two other coequally distinct true God Persons of later Trinitarian doctrine.
Theophilus wrote, “In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the trinity (Greek trias) of God, and His Word, and His wisdom” (Theophilus, Apology to Autolycus, Book I 15).
What text of scripture states that the Holy Spirit is the Father's Wisdom? 1 Corinthians 1:24 states that Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God? "Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:24
According to Theophilus, the Word (logos) always existed within the heart of God the Father before becoming a personal Son. Hence, the Word and Wisdom of God that “always exists was begotten (born) first.” Then the Father used the newly begotten Son (born before creation) to create all things.
“… as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God. For before anything came into being he had him as a counsellor, being his own mind and thought. But when God wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …”
(Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22)
It is interesting that Theophilus and the early Semi-Arians taught that the impersonal Word (Logos) of the Father always existed within the heart of God and that “before anything came into being he (already) had him as a counselor, being HIS (the Father’s) OWN MIND AND THOUGHT.” “But when God wished to make ALL THAT HE DETERMINED, He begot His Word (“His own mind and thought”)” by uttering “the firstborn of all creation.”
Where did Theophilus (an early second century teacher) get the idea that the Word (logos) is the eternal “mind and thought” of God the Father that was begotten later on in time? Theophilus’ spin on the impersonal logos (word) that later became personal likely came from the early Modalists who were the majority of believers at that time (see Tertullian, Against Praxeus, Chapter 3).
The theology of Theophilus and other Semi-Arians at that time, differed from the Modalists in that they taught that the Son was begotten (born) twice (once before the incarnation and again in the incarnation). In contradistinction, the Modalists also taught that the Son impersonally pre-existed in the Father’s heart as “His own mind and thought” which served as His own Wisdom and Council (Ephesians 1:11) before being made flesh as the living breathing Messiah.
Take a closer look at the teaching of Theophilus and you will find that he also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view that the Word (Logos) was the impersonal mind and thought of the Father that served as His own Wisdom and Council before the “foreknown” Son was actually begotten (1 Peter 1:20, Hebrews 1:5, Psalm 2:7).
“… the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God (the Father). For before anything came into being HE HAD HIM AS A COUNSELLOR, BEING HIS OWN MIND AND THOUGHT. But when God (the Father) wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22)
According to Theophilus, God the Father used His impersonal word (logos), “being His own MIND and THOUGHT”, to plan out what He pre-“determined on” before the Son was actually begotten. Theophilus’ teaching about the impersonal Word (Logos) being the Father’s own mind and thought which served as His own council before actually being born as the Son, reminds me of The Shepherd of Hermas, Similitude 9:12 (written about 100 years before Theophilus).
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Theophilus' statements make sense to me. He did not say that the Word was created by God, but begotten by Him. These concepts sound the same to us, but in the ancient Christian thought and Greek language, these are to different concepts. They tried to bring this out in the Nicene Creed, saying that the Word was begotten, not made. This difference between begotten and created is an important difference. The Word always existed and is fully divine, just as Paul explicit said (Col 2:9). None of the early Christians rejected that verse; they completely believed it. They wrote that the Father is the Source and the Son derives everything from that Source. Just as light finds its source in the Sun, so does the Word find His source in the Father. One does not exist without the other. It's a matter of hierarchy--as I explained in my video on the Persons of God.
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You asked about the the Father's Wisdom. There are Scriptures that give the Word the title of Wisdom, and there are Scriptures that give the Spirit the title of Wisdom. The early Christians did the same, giving that title to both the Son and the Spirit.
You said that Theophilus also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view. How can he teach two views at the same time when those views describe two incompatible things? Either Theophilus believed in the Persons of God or he believed in only one Person of God. It is impossible to believe in both at the same time. Blessings and so forth.
You never answered my question in my last comment: "What text of scripture states that the Holy Spirit is the Father's Wisdom?" 1 Corinthians 1:24 states that Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God? "Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:24
You responded by writing, "there are Scriptures that give the Spirit the title of Wisdom."
CAN YOU CITE JUST ONE VERSE WHERE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN THE TITLE "WISDOM?"
Justin wrote of Modalists using the illustration of the sun and its rays as an illustration of the Father's divine light being incarnate as the SON. In Justin’s First Apology 63 (written about 130-150 AD), Justin (a Semi Arian) referred to contemporary Christians who affirmed that the Son was the Father.
“For they who affirm that the Son is the Father, are proved neither to have become acquainted with the Father, nor to know that the Father of the universe has a Son …”
Justin says the same thing in Dialogue with Trypho 128, Justin again speaks about other second century Christians who believed that the Son is inseparable from the Father.
“But SOME TEACH (other Christians) that this power (the Son) is indivisible and inseparable from the Father, just as the light of the sun on earth is indivisible and inseparable from the sun in the skies; for, when the sun sets, its light disappears from the earth. SO THEY CLAIM (other Christians), the Father by His will can cause His power to go forth and, whenever He wishes, to return again ...”
Sabellius used the same anaology about 100 years later.
Thomas Browning (Graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary) stated that the modalistic monarchian theology of Sabellius was influential in the Nicene Creed itself.
"But the man most representative of modalistic monarchianism was a man named Sabellius (222 AD). Sabellius was much more sophisticated than Noetus ... Sabellius tried to solve the problem by using the illustration of the sun and its rays. The Father was the sun. Jesus is considered to be a dominate ray. He was projected for a while and then withdrawn back into the substance of the Father ... Sabellius could say Jesus was 'Light of Lights' and even 'homousias'. Jesus was 'Light of Lights' in that He was LIKE A RAY OF THE SUN, He emanated from the Father. He was 'homousias' in that he was of the same substance as the Father."
(The History of the Doctrine of Justification, Chapter one "The Person of Christ" Post Tenebras Lux, Page 5 © 2010 Thomas R. Browning )
“… as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, residing within the
heart of God. For before anything came into being he had him as a
counselor, being his own mind and thought. But when God wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22)
How could Theophilus have been a Trinitarian while calling the word (logos) the Father's "own mind and thought" which was begotten by being "uttered" as "the firstborn of all creation?" How could a God the Son have been begotten by being "uttered?" Could another coequally distinct true God Person have come out of the Father's Mouth while being timeless?
Theophilus taught that the word (logos = "expressed thought") of the Father is the Father's "OWN MIND AND THOUGHT" which God used to create all things as "the council of His own will" (Ephesians 1:11).
Many Oneness apologists such as D. K. Bernard state that God the Father created all things through His own "expressed thought" (logos) which was the Father's thought about His future child born and son given.
David Bernard wrote, “…God predicated the entire work of creation upon the future manifestation of the Son. God foreknew that man would sin, but He also foreknew that through the Son man could be saved and could fulfill God's original purpose in creation. As John Miller stated, ‘Though He did not pick up His humanity till the fullness of time, yet He used it, and acted upon it, from all eternity’” (Essentials in Oneness Theology, p. 21, by D. K. Bernard).
Ephesians 1:4-5 (BSB), “For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ…”
Scripture informs us that God chose Christ as His chosen servant (Isaiah 43:10; Micah 5:2) within His foreknown mind and plan, and then He chose His elect in Christ “before the foundation of the world.”
God did not literally create His elect in Christ “before the foundation of the world” because verse five goes on to say that “He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ.” To be predestined as sons through Jesus Christ is not the same thing as being literally created before the foundation of the world. Therefore we know that God first preconceived all things in His own mind and planning through Jesus Christ before the actual creation ever took place.
Theophilus essentially taught the same thing that we are saying about God using His foreknown son (1 Peter 1:20) in planning out His future creation because Theophilus also taught that God first planned and prearranged all things through his "foreknown son" (the son was not actually living yet in God's "expressed thought" = "logos"). Theophilus differed from our view in that he taught that the Son was later literally begotten or emitted as a living pre-incarnate Son to physically create all things before Christ's physical conception and birth at Bethlehem.
Take a closer look at the teaching of Theophilus and you will find that
he also taught the Oneness Pentecostal view that the Word (Logos) was the impersonal mind and thought of the Father that served as His own Wisdom and Council before the “foreknown” Son was actually begotten (1 Peter 1:20, Hebrews 1:5, Psalm 2:7).
“… the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God (the
Father). For before anything came into being HE HAD HIM AS A COUNSELLOR, BEING HIS OWN MIND AND THOUGHT ..."
ONENESS THEOLOGY AGREES WITH THIS PART OF THEOPHILUS BUT NOT THE SECOND PART WHICH SAYS,
"... But when God (the Father) wished to make all that he determined on, he begot His Word, uttered the firstborn of all creation …” (Apology to Autolycus, Book 2, 22)
Even Trinitarian Catholic scholars admit that Theophilus of Antioch was a "Semi-Arian" who believed that the Son had a literally beginning as a created Son before creation.
Under ARIANISM, The New Advent Encyclopedia states that Athenagoras, Tatian, Theophilus of Antioch, Hippolytus, Novatian, Tertullian, and Methodius were semi-Arians.
"Arianism from an early date affirmed the likeness, either without adjunct, or in all things, or in substance, of the Son to the Father, while denying (denied) His (Christ’s) co-equal dignity and co-eternal existence. These men of the Via Media were named Semi-Arians. They approached, in strict argument, to the heretical extreme; but many of them held the orthodox faith, however
inconsistently; their difficulties turned upon language or local prejudice, and no small number submitted at length to Catholic teaching."
"The Semi-Arians attempted for years to invent a compromise between irreconcilable views, and their shifting creeds, tumultuous councils, and worldly devices tell us how mixed and motley a crowd was collected under their banner. The point to be kept in remembrance is that, while they affirmed the Word of God to be everlasting, they imagined Him as having BECOME THE SON to create the worlds and redeem mankind." (in other words, the Son did not always exist as the Son but HE BECAME THE SON in order to create the worlds and redeem mankind).
"Five ante-Nicene Fathers are especially quoted: Athenagoras, Tatian, Theophilus of Antioch, Hippolytus, and Novatian, whose language appears to involve a peculiar notion of Sonship, AS THOUGH HE DID NOT COME INTO BEING or were not perfect until the dawn of creation. To these may be added Tertullian and Methodius. Cardinal Newman held that their view, which is found clearly in Tertullian, OF THE SON EXISTING AFTER THE WORD, IS CONNECTED WITH THE ANTECEDENT WITH ARIANISM.”
Sorry I didn't share Scriptures about the Holy Spirit being Wisdom. Yes, there are Scriptures showing that Christ is Wisdom.
First, there is Prov 8:22-31. It doesn't say explicitly, but this could be referring to either the Word or to the Holy Spirit.
Second, another book that calls the Holy Spirit Wisdom is the Book of Wisdom. I'm sure this book is not in your Bible, but this book was considered Scripture by Christians from the beignning of Christianity until Martin Luther took it out. If you don't want to consider it as evidence that the Holy Spirit is also called Wisdom, then that is OK. I just wanted to share it because it was considered Scripture during apostolic Christianity (it looks like John and Paul refer to it numerous times). See Wisdom chapters 1 and 7.
I believe it is from these passages (and Prov 8) why the Pre-Nicene Christians also referred to the Holy Spirit as Wisdom. Irenaeus wrote about the Holy Spirit also being Wisdom. If you want, you can read it here.
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vi.xxi.html
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How can God the Son been begotten by being uttered? I shared earlier that "begotten" was used very differently in the Greek language from how we use it today. Begotten doesn't always mean "fathered," and it rarely meant "created." From the way you explained Theophilus' words, he was using it as "originator." That is, the Father uttered the words, commands to create the universe. In that way, the Son went and created the universe just as the Father spoke it. So the Father's command begot the Son's actions. The Pre-Nicene Christians used "begot" this way numerous times. You see, the Son always existed with the Father and in the Father. It was when the Father commanded the Son to create that the Son was begotten from the Father to create all things. Also, the Son always existed, but when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she gave birth to the Son, the Son was again begotten--this time begotten both from Mary and from God. About begotten used in this way, Tertullian said the following. The sending and the making are also ways the Son was begotten.
The Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, just as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and again, He who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another. (Tertullian. AD 213. ANF, vol 3, page 604.)
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.ix.html
If He [the Son] is also God, according to John who said, "The Word was God,"* then you have two Beings: One that commands that the thing be made and the Other that creates. However, in what sense you should understand Him to be another [Person], I have already explained [it to be] on the ground of personality, not of substance. [They are different] in the way of distinction, not of division. (Tertullian. AD 213. ANF, vol 3, page 607.)
* John 1:1
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.xii.html
For Scripture about the Son begin begotten in this way from God, see Ps 2:7-9 (giving the Son all authority), Acts 13:32-35 (raising the Son from the dead), Heb 1:3-6 (the Son sitting at God's right hand), Heb 5:1-8 (appointing the priesthood to the Son).
Blessings to you.
I could not find where Irenaeus allegedly spoke of the Holy Spirit as "wisdom." If you had such a quote, why did you not just copy and paste it here? I have read the Wisdom of Solomon and I cannot recall where it says that the Holy Spirit is wisdom either. Again, if you had such evidence, why did you not just cite it here?
The Greek Septuagint is merely a translation from the Hebrew scriptures. The word "yalad" used in Psalms 2:7 which says, "You are My son, this day have I begotten you" has everything to do with being born and nothing to do with your wild speculation that "... the Father's command begot the Son's actions."
The same Hebrew word "yalad" is used for the birth's of Cain and Abel in Genesis 4:1-2. Could Cain and Abel have been commanded to beget their actions? If so, please cite a single verse of scripture to back up such a crazy idea? It seems that you have decided to follow Tertullian more than the scriptures regarding the Son being begotten twice! The NT clearly teaches that Jesus was "the firstborn of all creation" (Col. 1:15) in the mind and planning of the Father just as he was already "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). For how else can Trinitarians explain Revelation 3:14 in which Jesus said that he was "the beginning of the creation OF God?" Jesus had to be the beginning of the creation in God's mind and planning as "the firstborn of all creation" before God created everything else in His own "logos" ("expressed thought").
No verse in the entire Bible says that Jesus as a Son was sent from heaven to earth. In fact, the scriptures prove that the Son is the man who was sent in the flesh after he was born of a woman (Gal. 4:4).
John 17:18 clearly states, "As You have sent me (the Father sent the Son) into the world, even so have I sent them (the disciples) into the world." Were the disciples sent from heaven to earth? Romans 8:3 states that the Son was "sent in the likeness of sinful flesh." Since the Son was sent "in the flesh" how could he have been sent from heaven to earth "in the flesh?"
The Father is greater than the Son because the Father is God as God outside of the incarnation in His unchangeable Being and Person while the Son is God incarnate as a true man who was "made like unto his brethren" "fully human in every way" (Heb. 2:17; John 5:26).
The Son of God could not have performed the actual creation as the Son because Hebrews 2:7 cites Psalm 8:5-6 which says, "You crowned him with glory and honor, and have appointed him over THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS." Who else but the Father's hands created all things (Malachi 2:10; Isaiah 64:8)? Since the Son has been "set" or "appointed" by the Father over the works of His hands, the Son has to be the man who was appointed over the Father's creation. Jesus is identified as the creator in Heb. 1:10 and Heb. 3:3-4 because he created all things as Yahweh God the Father before also becoming a human Son.
Hebrews 1:3 states that the Son of God is "the brightness of his glory (the context proves the Father's glory) and the express image of his Person (the Father's Person)." Hence, the Father's Person also became a human person who is the appointed heir of all things belonging to the Father.
How could the Son have already been in heaven as a Son before the incarnation when the Father said, "Sit at my right hand" if the Son was already at the Fathers anthropomorphic side to begin with? Could the Son have said, "Father, I am already coequally reigning at your side. Why are you saying 'sit at my right hand' while I am already here? Peter proved that Psalm 110:1 is a Messianic prophecy in which the Son would ascended to the right hand of the Father as he cited Psalm 110:1 in Acts 2:34 to prove that the Son would be at the Father's side in the prophetic future (only after the ascension and only after the Father "granted life" [a human life] to the Son - John 5:26).
In like manner, why would the Father say, "I will be to him a Father and he WILL BE to Me a Son" if the Father was already a Father to the Son and if the Son was already a Son to his Father to begin with (Heb. 1:5; 2 Samuel 7:14)? It is hard to imagine the Son coequally at the Father's side saying, "Father, I am already your Son and I am right here. What are you talking about?"
And again, how could the Son have coequally reigned over all of the Father's creation while being "appointed to rule over the works" of the Father's "hands." And how could the Son be "appointed the heir of all things" if he was already the Lord of all things as a coequal and coeternal God the Son to begin with?
Don't know how you can say all the apostolic father's were united in belief when they are clearly devided on the trinity.
Thank you for commenting. Before 325 AD, the apostolic fathers were united in their teaching on the Trinity. The only exceptions I can think of are two groups. First, the Gnostics did not believe in the Trinity. Second, Arius was the first person from within the church to oppose the teaching on the Trinity. So yes, all the Christians churches before 325 taught the Trinity. God bless you!
I'm reading book "early Christianity" for Thursday night biblefires. on youtube. last week, was first week and read "martyrdom of Polycarp". I think the martyr's are a good place for medium level Christians to begin their understanding of the church. Like Tolstoy being influenced by the Hussites. Pacifism is not to be trifled with.
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the formal prohibition at the great Church Council of Elyrus in A.D. 303, when it was declared that "the form of God, which is immaterial and invisible, shall not be limited by figure or shape." In 692, the council of Constantinople had similarly prohibited "to paint or represent Jesus as a lamb," as also "to bow the knee in praying, as it is the act of idolatry." But the council of Nicaea (787) brought this idolatry back, while that of Rome (883) excommunicated John, the Patriarch of Constantinople, for his showing himself a declared enemy of image worship. Ref,,,,The Secret Doctrine Vol 2 Page 279.
A key factor of the development of the trinity was the subtle influence of Greek philosophy. The New Encyclopædia Britannica explains: “From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms, both for their own intellectual satisfaction and in order to convert educated pagans.” Once philosophically minded persons became Christians, it did not take long for Greek philosophy and “Christianity” to become inseparably linked. As a result of this union, pagan doctrines such as the Trinity seeped into tainted Christianity. These teachings go back much farther than the Greek philosophers. The Greeks actually acquired them from older cultures.
Babylon started with 2 trinities Nimrod, Tammuz, Simerimas and Shamash, Sin, Ishtar. Then the other pagan religions copied them.
In Egypt they were Osiris, Isis, and Horus
In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis.
The Phoenicians worshipped Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun.
Rome worshipped Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto.
In India they were Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva
According to Church history the trinity doctrine was established at the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. The earlier Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. did not include the holy spirit. If the trinity had been the central doctrine of Christendom wouldn’t they had affirmed it 56 years earlier at that Council?
Where is the 3 persons in one God equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom formula found in the bible?
It is not in the bible. It is in the Athanasian Creed. The Athanasian Creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed
It took centuries for the trinity to develop.
Since 381 C.E. there been many corruptions added by Trinitarians. Isaac Newton wrote about corruptions of manuscripts where he discovered trinity proof texts that were added in his work “An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture”. 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV. He proved the corruptions by comparing the Latin manuscripts to the Greek manuscripts. He blames "the Roman church" for the frauds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
The differences in manuscripts should send up a red flag. Compare the translations:
“He” was changed to “God” www.biblestudytools.com/1-timothy/3-16-compare.html
Modified to read: “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one”
www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-john/passage/?q=1-john+5:7-8
www.biblestudytools.com/asv/1-john/passage/?q=1-john+5:7-8
Trinitarians removed the words “neither the Son” to support the trinity.
www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/24-36-compare.html
Words added: “,I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST:”
www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/1-11-compare.html
No scriptures exists that prove Jesus was a 3 in 1 God equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Most so called proof texts attempt to prove a trinity by implying only two persons in one God. For instance 2 persons with the same title. There is never a 3 in 1 God scripture. Baptismal questions of the early church proves the trinity doctrine was unheard of. examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/creeds.html
Egyptian Coptic translators of the 2nd-3rd centuries translated John 1:1 as "the Word was a god" before the Trinity doctrine was concocted. Not ONE of the Coptic scholars appealed to by the apologists said that Coptic John 1:1 should be translated to say "The Word was God." Not one. Not one said that "a god" was an incorrect translation of Coptic ou.noute. In fact, the interlinear reading for Sahidic Coptic John 1:1c in scholar Bentley Layton's Coptic in 20 Lessons (2007)specifically reads "a-god is the-Word." It turns out the New World Translation translated John 1:1 correctly.
coptictruch.blogspot.com/
Paul believed only the Father is the almighty (one person in one God) 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
If the trinity was known by Paul why would he say only the Father is God? Why didn’t he say Jesus and the holy spirit was also god? Paul worshiped the Father just as Jesus had said to do: Jesus said: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth."(John 4:23-24)
According to Jesus only true worshippers worship the Father. Why didn’t Jesus say to worship him and the holy spirit also?
Why isn't the holy spirit looking for ones like these to worship him?
The facts show the trinity was not taught by the first century church and Jesus did not teach it. This explains why there was no controversy over the trinity in the first century like there was over circumcision. There was no need to explain why the Jews had been worshiping the wrong God for thousands of years. The Jews and Christians worshiped the same God, the Father.
Trinitarians modified the manuscripts they had access to but they could not modify all of them. As a result the trinity doctrine has been exposed as a hoax. Paul said an apostasy will come first.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
And Jesus gave an illustration about Satan sowing weeds among the wheat. Jesus and the apostles spoke of a later time when an apostasy would occur.
“The time is sure to come when, far from being content with sound teaching, people will be avid for the latest novelty and collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then, instead of listening to the truth, they will turn to myths.”-2 Timothy 4:3, 4, Catholic Jerusalem Bible.
The Trinity doctrine is actually a pagan doctrine masquerading as a Christian one. It was promoted by Satan to deceive people, to make God confusing and mysterious to them. As a result they are more willing to accept other false religious ideas.
Joseph Tucker be careful when cursing the Holy Spirit, because this sin has no forgiveness.
there are hundreds of variant versions of Christian Bibles none match each other or the original koine Greek NT Papyrus or the Hebrew Tanakh Bible or Dead sea scrolls..There are 30,000 different Christian sects today all argue.
The rabbit whole is deep, ...
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The Tanaka doesn’t match the Dead Sea scrolls
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He isent lieing +(I)+ (wood) rather show you how two be Good at 360° one Positivily from the inside out Bigger an Better then all negitivity that can destroy your lives an prayer an cherity just wont do.
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mitvos, Yet -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. To the praise of God my Father And Jesus my Lord. Salvation by the forgiveness of sin the straight path John prepared the people for Jesus and Gods purpose for the Israelite's which they rejected. But the stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. God bless it! God bless it!
Diversity Trinity in Unity. ONENESS
God will never be a they.
Biblical truth is not an "incomprehensible mystery. In fact, God longs for us to know Him and His truth! So many Trinitarians Use Phil. 2:6-7 proving Jesus is God, however, One might consider after this verse it says Christ was in the form of God, it goes on to say that christ "did not consider equality with God something to be grapsed." this phrase is a powerful argument against the Trintiy. IF Jesus were God, then it would make no sense at all to say that He did not "grasp" at equality with God because no one graps at equality with himself.
So, you start from the position of the trinity, and none of the people you quote seem to support that.......
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