Why Study the Pre-Nicene Christian Writings
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- Why should today's Christians study the writings of the Christians from the Pre-Nicene period (AD 75-325)?
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Quotations from ancient writings might be paraphrased because many of them were translated in the 1800s. I have done my best to keep this to a bare minimum.
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I am 59 years old and for the 1st time in nearly 40 years I am finally so overwhelmingly hungry to study what took place after the apostles went to heaven. Now I can finally discover exactly how living simply in my faith based on the truth really benefits my life and how it will allow me to share truth with the common man. I spent an entire generation deeply steeped in the Southern Baptist ways and the starch has slowly been washed out out of my mind and heart but not without great pain and suffering. Not only am I born again but my mind is being transformed and it feels wonderful to finally understand the truth of God's word the way it was originally intended. I will indeed continue to watch for all of your videos so God-bless you and keep up this good work for truth!
Wow! What a testimony! Do you know David Bercots Scroll Publishing? He also has a lot of good material on the faith of the Early Church. God bless you Brother!
@@timothy6828 I am not aware of this author. Please share links referring to his writtings.
I am a huge fan of truth and reality!
God bless you as well brother.
Press on to heaven!
Steven P. Williams
Gold Bar, WA
@@1963wheelerTouched by your testimony. I am from Southern India where the legend is that St Thomas the Apostle came here to evangelize the Jews who were already living here as a part of the diaspora. He established 7 churches here by converting the high class hindu Brahmin families etc etc. In the 7 & 8th centuries Syrian orthodox bishops came here and the church grew bigger . No gospel !only Syriac chanting and Mary worship . that was the Christianity here. I believe the Thomas legend is the gnostic Thomas who is supposed to have come to India. First time the christians here who were under the Syrian orthodox patriarchate heard the Gospel was when British missionaries came here and translated Bible into local language. There was a reformation after understanding the Gospel . The reformed faction is known as Mar thoma Church after the name st Thomas. Not long after a methodist missionary came Dr E. Stanley Jones. He spoke in our annual convention for 50 years continuously. He integrated hinduism into our church . The leaders have become hindus . Evangelism is suppressed. Church is become Ecumenical. A slow take over by the enemy. Thousands of people left . Wherever there is true Church satan sends his envoy and destroys it.
to learn church history is to cease to be protestant
John 3:13
Iam Indian
Searched the scriptures 32 years, God is perfect in all his ways, and with his word
this answered many many questions I have had. Thank you Holy Spirit for leading me to this video at this appointed time. Thank you brother for this knowledge and wisdom. Priceless 🕊
0:00 - What is the Ante-Nicene period?
1:50 - 1st Reason - Primary source for determining NT Canon
3:12 - 2nd Reason - Closeness to the Apostles themselves
6:58 - 3rd Reason - More details & insights about the unchanged Apostolic traditions, instructions & teachings
(8:04 - Perspective on the reality of Ante-Nicene's proximity to Jesus & Apostles)
10:18 - 4th Reason - cultural proximity (temporal & geographical); yet confronted similar cultural/theological/doctrinal
issues as we face today
12:54 - 6th Reason - idiomatic advantage (knew same language & its nuances)
13:36 - 7th Reason - theological advantage (one united church, not profusely pluralist like contemporary world)
15:51 - Recap & Summary
Thank you!
Thank you. This is just what I have been trying to find out and study. These writers. So interesting. God bless!
Yes, I will subscrive. And I agree with so many others, great idea, good commentary voice and no stupid background music. Keep up the good work!
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Dear beloved author this topic has always been my life-anchor in my quest to know deeper the traditions handed down by the Apostles of of our Lord Jesus Christ. I thank God for you.
Thank you for this presentation it is enlightening and needed!
What a great channel. I am going to enjoy watching ALL videos in conjunction with my reading of the early church fathers. God bless you, your wife and boys.
+MysticSkall Thank you so much!! Blessings and so forth!
Subbed! Why this doesn't have significantly more views is a strange mystery. Thank you for taking the time to educate us.
Great video. I thank God for you and your work. Keep them coming!
This is totally fascinating. How terrific that there are people like you to help enlighten people. We have been told what was decided upon by leaders after two thousand years. You get down to the origins... Thanks so very much!
Thanks for saying that. After discovering these things, I have learned the value in going to back to the earliest source possible. It is important (in every aspect of study and research) that we go back to primary sources. God bless!
What an interesting channel. How refreshing.. I subscribed.
Great work and nicely said my friend in Christ!
I am encouraged and excited about your site and the treasure of information that's being discussed.
Wonderful! That's the first word that came to mind righg at the end of this video. Thanks! Keep up the good work.
I subscribed this is very interesting exactly useful for some questions i've been asking for some time now
If Catholic I guess
I see what some people say about stupid music in the background./ your work.
Outstanding information
GOD bless!
This is amazing. Thanks. Looking forward to more.
I'm so happy to find this site...
Wow! You're awesome for making this! God Bless
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I havent been excited about a channel in a long time. This is a great unexpected blessing. Many Thanks!
Same! Just discovered the Didache the other day. If you've never read it you should check it out
Not digging the day or 2 of fasting prerequisite for immersion mentioned in Didache
@@vindicatednews9169 Christ did say "when you fast" not "if you fast" and Paul spoke as if he assumed everyone he spoke with in the church had been baptized. The Didache does allow for pouring if need be and baptism is probably the easiest of all commands we were given so I can't imagine why people wouldn't do it.
The Didache isn't scripture, but it does show what very early Christians seemed to believe. Since I already felt the Bible was pretty strong on baptism I have no issue with seeing that it was considered essential. Jesus said "why do you call me Lord but do not do what I commanded?"
I get what you mean though. I've never fasted and the idea is hard for me because I eat a lot. But I'm taking that as a sign that I need to fast. I wish to be ruled only by Christ.
You typed more than you can chew. You should just provide a verse or 2 that states fasting is a prerequisite to be baptized. Instead you included verses that might condemn somebody who is weak in the faith. Try selling all that you have to truly be his deciple instead of practicing hypocrisy.
@@vindicatednews9169 actually I just misread what you said. I thought you said you weren't digging that we are supposed to fast or that we are to be baptized. My apologies.
this is best of all TH-cam channels. Thank you so much for uploading these videos my dear brother in Christ.
I have been a happy reader of Ante Nicene Fathers Vol 1 for a couple of years now. To see how Clement, Polycarp, Mathetes, and others understood our Lord and Christianity as handed down is simply amazing. I am glad to have learned of this channel and expect I will learn much and gain much joy from what is presented here.
how about the scriptures. they all left Paul
Great video. Well done sir. You have won a new subscriber.
Thank you- I look forward to the exploration, not having made time to do the reading myself- as I once supposed I would.
Excellent idea and well define purpose. bravo sir you have won me over. I am officially hooked on this stuff and am hungry for more! God bless you brother
Nov. 15, 2019. Well Done & On The Mark ! Best and/or One of the Best Presentations on Early Christianity done in under 20 minutes. Spirit Guided to encourage all who value this thought on keeping the Focus on Scriptural Truth and the Pure Intent of the Early Christian Fathers from the Pre-Nicene Era. Thank you and God Bless in the Name of Jesus Christ; Amen.
Just found your channel. I think were gunna be friends. Lol, in either words, I like what I see and hear.
Excellent video!! Thank you!
Awesome channel, lots of information.
Excellent channel....keep on , bro ..God bless you!
As a Greek pastor , I say you are so right . Spot on
God bless you.
Thank you brother
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Thank you
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Thank you for commenting and for your encouragement. God bless!!
Great study! God bless
Glad I subscribed to your channel Christian Apologist, I do lot of studying in God's word , Expressly when it comes to Primary source
Love this channel!
Very interesting. I really appreciate this content and will watch more of your videos!
Excellent introduction!
Well done! It’s a good introduction to the early Christian writings. I’ve just started a channel covering early Christianity as well - all are welcome.
What is your channel
Great video, I learned a lot. Thanks for posting man and God bless❤:)
Thankful for this channel
Brother,
May God bless you richly in his kingdom (this covers the present and future) for bringing such knowledge at NO COST in order for believers to derive confidence in their faith and in the unbiased interpretation of Scripture. Please allow us to use your videos in our Bible studies and Sunday Schools.
Thank you for commenting. You are very welcome! Yes, you may use any of the material on this channel in other places. I only ask that you mention where the videos came from. For example, you can briefly mention, "These videos are by Post-Apostolic Church on TH-cam." God bless you!
@@PostApostolicChurch Thank you. Yes, we give credit where credit is due. in fact, I send a link to all your videos too. May God richly bless you and your ministry
@Read Father Seraphim Rose I do read John Chrysostom and I appreciate his profound commentaries. He is in tune with Pre-Nicene beliefs. However, I do not subscribe to Post-Nicene "new" doctrines which the Pre-Nicene fathers were explicitly and adamantly against, e.g., icons, images and prayers with the dead or for the dead, veneration of theotokos, etc. Hence, I am very Ante-Nicene and primarily Wesleyan. But I do believe we have true brothers in these other denominations.
@Read Father Seraphim Rose Thank you Father Rose, I have the complete set by Philip Schaff of the ante-Nicene, Nicen and post-Nicen Fathers. I do get material from John Chrysostom. However, I aim to digest the ante-Nicene writings first before I get into the others. I know Wesleyans read the Cappadocian "fathers" but, like I said, pre-Nicene first. The more famous ante-Nicene bishops did quite clearly condemn images and icons for whatever reason. 2 Esdras 7 of the Clemetine Apocrypha seems to confirm Luke 16 where the rich man in Hades could not talk with Lazarus in paradise, neither can anyone living talk to departed believers.
@Read Father Seraphim Rose I agree with you mostly. However, it is more logical for me to think that post-Nicene teachings are the ones that contain distortions of the "original" ante- Nicene Apostolic teachings, not the other way around. I would put more weight on the generations close to the Apostles teaching rather than centuries after introducing the distortions of time. language and context to the interpretations and succeeding doctrinal "inventions"
This is amazing! Thank you so much for bringing this good stuff to us. I would agree that the books of the NT should already define every doctrine and practice we should follow, for example, the teachings of the eucharist, or how to be baptized. Everything is in there, even the issue of how to worship is there. I downloaded the early church fathers documents from your drive and currently reading and researching. God bless you!
Awesome! Check out Scroll Publishings videos on TH-cam, they have some really good presentations about the faith of the Early Christians there. God bless you!
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
St Ignatius
Those letters are considered forgeries
Please share your source please. Dont just claim that they are forgeries or what not without including your sources. Otherwise it becomes gossip.
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Great idea for a channel! I hope it plants seeds to bring everyone back into the "universal church" you mentioned.
I am so glad l found this channel !Thank you so much !
These were the times were there was no complete compilation of the 27 New Testament Bible. So you will never hear these Apostolic Fathers teaching Sola Scriptura or Bible alone.
I would contend that that scriptures were compiled and authorized by the Apostles, specifically Peter before the death of the Apostles.. They alone were ordained by Jesus and under the Spirits inspiration while they were alive. No other generation of Church Fathers had that personal witness, of Christ and His Resurrection, and the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit reminding them of what they saw and learned.
God did use the Church to preserve the scriptures but it is not the post Apostolic Church that had the authority to declare what was New Testament scripture and what wasn’t.
totally wrong... we can fully recreate the entire new testament based on their writings alone
@@blackbear1958, no, the Bible scriptures were complied in the late 300’s by Jerome, under the guidance of Pope Demasus I. Jerome spoke full Greek and full Latin. Jerome translated the scriptures into Latin.
@@jimmyMc1971 well yeah, you have believe that if yer an RCC'r and worship the Pope before GOD & believe Mary is your mediator instead of Christ. Before the RCC the local churches had many of thecwritings especially the gospels copied down. The inspired Word of GOD could not be stopped
@@LemarSipes,
No Catholic worships the Pope, and no Catholic worships Mary. If you believe that, then I suggest you actually learn the teachings of the Church, not what someone told you on TH-cam.
Mary isn’t a mediator, she’s an intercessor for us, just as we are for each other. There is only one mediator between God and man, and that’s Jesus Christ, however there are billions of intercessors between Christ and man.
Learn Catholic teachings before you comment.
all I can say is WOW!!! its like my soul is craving this info...
Wow I can't believe I just found this channel. Not sure if anyone is aware of speaker Corner in London but we have a strong debaters there with a lot of knowledge especially about the early Church fathers... Your videos really helps with understanding what those debaters was referring too.
Really? I haven't heard any of them talk about the early Church Fathers.
Thank you for sharing :)
I just found your channel, and I'm very excited to learn the scriptures more deeply from learning about what the early Christians understood.
I don't want to appear as though I am "majoring on minors", but I am a stickler for not asserting unproven claims as true (or untrue), just because they SOUND reasonable, or because "they are likely to be true". One example is when people state that none of the original writings by Paul, Peter, or any other New Testament writers exist today. That might be true, and it might not. We don't know, as there are literally thousands of extant manuscripts and partials. It would be more reasonable to state that "it is unlikely that any of the original writings remain". Although this particular claim doesn't have any risky applications, the principle itself is a good one to follow to keep one from making more risky errors.
Thanks again for this labor you've undertaken. It is a great blessing for those of us who want a greater understanding of God's word!
This video has many errors. Truth is not found here.
3-John 1:9-10 says that there were serious problems in the church at his time, which would be before 95ad.
=The important commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul and mind,
=This is explained in several verses..
=To Love God means to keep God's commandments.
=We know that all the 10 commandments are God's commandments.
=The 10 commandments includes the Literal Saturday Sabbath.
=Several times in the NT it says to keep the commandments of God.
=Several times verses in the NT and OT say God does not change, meaning he is consistent.
-=Any church that does not keep the Literal Saturday Sabbath is apostate.
any scholar who says that is a fool....I recommend the new book on St. Paul by Dr. brant pitre, Michael Barber, et al....
If you want to have an deeper understanding of the Bible. Read it with audience relevance.. do not insert yourself in the Bible.. the YOU isn’t YOU.. the THEY.. isn’t YOU.. The bi or is about ISRAELS redemptive story.. about there covenant that they had with GOD.. GOD loves ISRAEL only.. not the romans.. Egyptians.. no other nation.. God chose Israel.. and them alone.. the Gentiles in the NT. Are the divorced northern tribes.. And God promised to bring back.. Paul’s letters are to them..
= @@STW-News-Headlines = It sure looks like that... And any Gentile that wants to be in the covenant, has to become Jewish in nature, in keeping the commandments to Israel.
@@DocScience2 False, reread Paul
Good work brother!!!
A most excellent presentation!
You got me interested on these writings. Thank you.
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
St Ignatius
I need to get my hands on this.
Jared Petersen You can get your eyes on it here. :)
www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.toc.html
This is a link to the table of contents in volume 1 (of 9). The easiest way to switch volumes is to change "01" to another number. Enjoy!
Post-Apostolic Church thanks. :)
It would be awesome if you would do a video on what the Pre-Nicene Christian's believed on the 7th day Sabbath. Thanks and keep up the good work.
The fact that they edify Ignatious in the slightest simply exposes truth
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Blaise, thank you for commenting. I agree. Since making this channel, it is surprising how many Christians are teaching that observing the Sabbath is required. Perhaps making a video on what the early Christians believed about the Sabbath is more important than I originally thought. It still may be a while before that video is released, but it is certainly in the works... eventually. God bless!
Don't you think it is quite clear what the scripture teaches on that?
For example start by reading what the apostles said was the ONLY laws required by non Jews to follow.
Then look at the patterns laid down by Paul and the apostles in all the letters.
Then notice that in every occasion they gathered on the first day of the week to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.
Also note how the book of Hebrews demonstrates that the Sabbath like many other old testament feasts were there to point us to Christ.
The Sabbath is something Jesus/Yeshua adhered to-traditionally passed down from the Beginning. A day of rest, and a day to reflect on the phenomenal works of our Creator, YHWH. I like that you see the first day of the week as Resurrection Day, and a celebration thereof.
I believe many Christians whose eyes are beginning to really open don’t want to celebrate “Sunday” as the day of dedication to and worship of our Father since Constantine was a pagan and Constantine gave early Christians one day to worship and he wanted the day they worshipped to be when they (the pagans) worshipped their sun god.
I can see how Christians don’t want to worship on Sun(god)day.
But when put in proper context, it would be better if we didn’t call it Sunday worship, but Resurrection Day worship.
Absolutely brilliant!
Thank you for this information.
Excellent work!
Scroll Publishing, really! It would be most honest to warn the people that these letters have been tampered with. So many people have been deceived into believing these men were followers of Christ, when in reality, they were more Greek philosophers than anything else. Let's be honest!
How do you mix actual historical events with fictional characters? The Apostles never existed. Pre Nicean Christian? Do you mean African Egyptians? There are 0 provable historical facts that support what you're saying.
@Read Father Seraphim Rose
Is that why they quoted and said "that philosophy was a gift from God?" Even Eusebius wrote that Philo of Alexandria's teachings were elevated and special.
I can quote several of the fathers and their love for Greek philosophy.
I love to study these writings. Some are still being translated from Latin and Greek
Thanks. Youve cut my research time down considerably.
I'm so very happy to hear that! :D :D God bless you!
What exactly I was looking for thank you Lord and thank you very much for your time brother, God bless.
Thank you for this voice of unity, but please increase the sound level in this video, it is way too low.
Well done. Looks like I'm late to the party here, but very good video.
@Matthew Aislabie If you say John refused to write then who are you quoting? And why are you saying John was the "beloved" of Christ? John is written in past tense.
@Matthew Aislabie I'm more confused as to how that's a response to what I said. lol
Currently felt the urge to study Church history. And there are a few I’ve watched on the topic. But this channel is such a gem 💎. Clear, concise and full of Historical literature, from pre-Nicea 325 A.D.
I wanted to study the first 3 centuries but could not find any, until now. Awesome work 🙏🏻✝️
Subscribed! and will be binge watching this channel vs. Netflix
Awesome work brother
Thank you!
This is very important. As I first, for five years ago or more, read the first letters from the pupils to the Sent Out (apostles), I was greatly impressed over how incredible the Faith was in the Assembly of Yeshua. The true Faith is important to learn, and it comes from the first letters of the first generation of Christians, and was followed by honest men.
Where did you read these and can you recommend a good book with all these writings?
Awesome!
Thank you. Clarity. I am learning so.much
I am so grateful YHWh answear my search for true doctrine thank you Father 🔥🔥🔥❤️🙏🏾
about time someone preached true christianty , i agree pre nicean is true christianity not the constantine christians of today that have pagan beliefs from constantine. well done
Constantine introduced no ideas. He grew up separated from his Christian mother. She was perfectly orthodox and had been held under years of house arrest for JESUS. When Constantine freed Christians of the Roman empire from legalized persecution, he was informed of things of which he was ignorant in part by his own mother. All those Bishops at the Council of Nicea merely confirmed all that they had always previously suffered to preserve.
Paphnutios the Bishop of the Upper Thebaid of Upper Egypt had an eye missing from the great persecution. Many Bishops were mamed. A Bishop of Armenia had had all sorts of appendages removed from his face and body, and Constantine wept to see him. These weren't compromisers. Most today are inferior to those at the Nicene Council.
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@ultimateguitarwizard Karl Marx?
Peter Jackson how about the change from Saturday to Sunday?
NR Ramirez Read Acts 20:7 for starters....
Bring it on!
After the 3rd subscribe plug... I just couldn't take it any more... Love the overall direction this is attempting to go, just can't with this guy's voice/disposition. Any other TH-camrs recommendation?
May your channel travel far and wide.
Hopefully not
how you read early church fathers and not see they are Catholic is beyond me..
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St Ignatius
Thanks for your labour.
Overall, good video IMHO. Highly recommend reading a super early writing that came to be titled "The Didache" for more insights into the Early Church.
14:00 um, just to clarify, there had already been a church council before Nicea. The Council of Jerusalem, recorded in scripture--included the topic of circumcision for gentiles. See Acts 15 and Gal 2
The term "catholic" was first recorded around 80 AD (secular writings, if memory serves). Later it was capitalized as the official title of the religion. The first titles for Jesus's followers included names like: Nazareans and Followers of The Way. At first it was (mis)understood that Christians were just another sect of Judaism.
The first internal division was Judas--whom Jesus personally chose, probably in part to show the weeds would always be in with the wheat. Deal with it. Then came the sheep who were lead astray to form non-Christian sects (Gnostics, Pelagians, etc.).
These sects, of course, like modern-day "Christianesque" sects of JWs and LDS, self- identified as true Christians.
Unfortunately the persecutions and turmoil during those first 300 years made calling an ecumenical (worldwide) council "problematic."
The creedal councils of the early church were convened to clearly draw out the beliefs neccesary to be called a Christian. Us vs. Them, if you will. The confusion being wreaked within The Church by these heretical sects was awful--at the time Arius was sewing heresy that was spreading like wildfire (not unlike the Prosperity Gospel nowadays).
16:53 It is not enough to simply read the scriptures and live them out simply. That is evident by appearance of tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the world today. The writings of the early church help modern readers to better understand how to interpret what they are reading (Acts 8 30-31). There needs to be an authority, a consensus.
There was one church for the first 1500 years(1000 if you count the schism, but that wasn't a break in doctrine). In just 500 since The Reformation the lamentable disunity among Christians has been expotential as everyone interprets the clear meaning of scripture.
Atheists now use our division as a stick to beat us with and as evidence against God. "There is no God/truth. You people can't even agree. Why should we take you seriously?"
Let's return to creedal Christanity and stop telling each other we're going to Hell because we don't worship the same way. If someone adheres to the Christian creed of Nicea, they're with us. They are a Christian. Period. Save the debating for non-Christians who still need to hear The Good News.
Let's keep praying for and pursuing Christian unity.
Susan S Wouldn’t a disagreement over the Filioque and the papacy be considered a break in doctrine though?
Susan S excellent commentary... especially about atheists.. I’ve been having just such a discussion with an atheist from my main comment above.
@@Gruenders good question, but no, because niether of those two issues would, in and of themselves, exclude a soul from Heaven.
A person could have a wrong belief about the papacy (for or against, first among equals or leader) and not lose their salvation. Now, how they live out their beliefs/ opinions, how they treat those of a different view, that could impact their destination. It's all about the love.
Back in those tumultuous days (turn of the first millenium), however, it would have been much more difficult to come to my conclusion. Jesus repeatedly prayed in the Garden that we would be ONE. Well, we screwed that up through personal sin (including myself here). After all the divisions in Christianity, we need to begin with the unity we all share‐-the creeds.
The Eastern Church and the Western Church are in schism, not division, and, as time progresses, there is ever more hope of a full communion again. Rome has never not recognized the validity of "Constantinople." And, vice versa. Christianity needs both lungs. This is true of the Protestant denominations as well. We need each other.
There is so much love of Christ expressed in all denominations. We can learn from and share our spiritualities. If we'll stop vilifying each other for worshiping differently. That's where unity starts. We will never be able to understsnd and work through our differences until we love each other.
When contemplating this topic, I consider Mark 9:38-41 & Luke 9:50. How can Jesus pray so hard for unity AND allow splintering at the same time? We are all for Christ. Let's stop being against each other. (Doesn't mean there is no true church, just that we need to do our best to be as unified as we can and let God sort out the rest, either in this life or the next. Like the Sabbath, the church was made for the people, not the people for the church. ) IMHO
@@susans3411 not true. Rome accepts Constantinople. That occurred at the Latin Council of Florence. Rome accepted all Canons of Chalcedon except the one that gave Constantinople equal rights and privileges after Rome. They finally accepted that canon at Florence. Constantinople and all the other Sees have always accepted Rome, his primacy, and double Apostolic Succession. None accept the Supremacy of Rome and never will. It’s an innovation.
Also the first Ecumenical Council was Nicea not Jerusalem. Jerusalem was an Apostolic Synod. Ecumenical Councils were always called by Emperors and are binding on the whole Church. Synods are not but are binding on the Churches involved. Jerusalem is binding on the whole Church because it was both an Apostolic Synod and recorded in scripture.
Thanks for such an excellent and detailed report.🎉
Amazing. One year & Eight Months later. Listening again. Never tire from the Truth. God Bless. Amen.
Correction - 2 yrs. - 8 Mo.
except this video lies about the catholic church. The early church fathers were Catholic in practice
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. "
St Ignatius
@@DUZCO10 Under 18 minutes - good summary. You must be referring to St. Ignatius of Loyola- 1530s - 1550s. Counter Reformation - Founder of the Jesuits.
There was another St. Ignatius of Antioch - 100. Known as Theophorous or "The God Bearer".
He, Clement of Rome & Polycarp - Disciples of John the Apostle. Ignatius Theophorous was martyred in Rome over his Letters on Early Christian Theology. I think the other two were martyred by the Roman Influence & Emperor.
I enjoy the part that you explain they dealt with the same problems as today. To me, it seems as though this new idea of "don't bring religion into this" leaves humans to think they have power to decide rationalize and fix these things themselves without guidance from the Bible. This idea is pushed into schools sure for religious freedom but ultimately to tell us to let those who are higher in authority decide for us rather than using our God given rationality to see what is right and wrong. I believe God is within us all, and the Holy Spirit makes it so that we can do kind things and continue to do right by others. There is a lot of political and business interest to gain when children are taught at a young age don't use the Bible for guidance. Those who own businesses rather its medical advice, therapy, drugs, people coping with alcoholism turning to their friends/peers for advice is all wrong. The truth is the Bible is here to guide us and help us solve all the same problems, but we have been brain washed to believe Religion and Beliefs are meant to be hushed and kept quiet... why because this only benefits the devil. You cannot do what God has intended for you to do when you're consumed with drugs, addicted to sex, pornography and ultimately its a waste of your time. We know time is very valuable and each person should use their time to do right by others and live by God's will. Using ones time to continue to sin doesn't progress any individual. Ultimately this causes insecurity within, self loathing which is what the devil wants so someone continues to believe they are stuck where they are or cant succeed and they become a selfish, materialistic person who is unable to do right by others. If we stopped worshipping the God's of this world, we'd have way more time to do right by others. Love and Light thats God and Christ I believe in the Holy Trinity God bless.
Thank you for commenting, Amanda. Your whole comment is beautiful. Regarding what is most important in life, you are spot on. Thank you for uplifting me today! God bless!
What about studying the Old Testament? You won't understand the New if you don't know the Old
Especially the parts about Jews murdering entire villages and the advocacy of slavery. Important stuff for sure.
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The entire history of the Middle East
is soaked in blood; the trend is
continuing to this day. :-\
That is true, and the post-WWI map creators virtually assured the violence to continue on into perpetuity.
@@thomaseliason8376 You slipped that end nice and easy.
yes you are right
Thanks for your work 🙏
FYI - This video contains inaccuracies
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St Ignatius
Seems early church fathers were Catholic
This is very informative
just learned about these writings... its shocking that these are mainly ignored by "Christian" pastors and teachers.
Me too
....it's why watching Ken Johnson 'Early Church Fathers' is interesting.
This is spin, there is no mention of the dozens of other gospels that existed in the pre-Nicene era.
There's a reason why they're called DE-nominations.
I have been drawn to the spirituality of the desert fathers for a long time..I wish the church had followed along a simpler path,but God does guide us in the end...Why does He allow the church to falter so?Will we find our way back to that immediate,intimate faith?I hope so sincerely...
@@armandaliotta7065 I'll tell you one thing. The Scriptures say "few will be chosen" and that the number of Christians that will be martyred during the tribulation will be "a number no man can count". That tells me that the many who are deceived already won't gain understanding.
@@armandaliotta7065 there is a church that follows that- the orthodox church
@@Shadowbannddiscourse No, that would be the Catholic (orthodox) Church
@@richardradice3391 are you talking about the western. Catholic church? There is only one orthodox church.. the orthodox church was way be for the Roman catholic church. It was catholic ( universal) and then when the roman western church broke from the east and became it's own thing that's when a lot of really bad things started to happen .
very good video! i have subscribed.
Good job!
Thank you for this video! I grew up in a Christian home and just now am feeling a strong interest to learn Church history and have been waiting for something on the pre-nicene Christians
So awesome! If you want some more resources on the Early Church, check out Scroll Publishing on TH-cam!
David bercot anybody heard of his videos? Fantastic really eye opening
just found this channel recently. subbed :p i recently got a copy of the *lost books of eden* which includes the book of adam and eve, the secrets of enoch, psalms - odes of solomon, letter of aristeas, book 4 of maccabees, story of ahikar, and 12 testaments of the patriarchs. would love to hear any videos about these. also referred to as the pseudepigrapha i believe due to questions to who wrote them - authenticity.
Thank you for commenting and subscribing! Of the books you listed, I've read Aristeas and 4 Maccabees. They are very interesting reads. Personally, I really liked 4 Maccabees because it was an interesting read, written in a more philosophical style.
I address the Letter of Aristeas in the second video in the series on the Septuagint. th-cam.com/video/I3f82WxIx5Q/w-d-xo.html
I may make videos on the other books, if the Pre-Nicene Christians had things to say about them. Of the books you listed (except for Aristeas), I do not think they wrote about any of them, sadly. God bless!
@@PostApostolicChurch will check it out. yes very interesting to read, dont hold any of it to the same degree or regard as canon of course , but it was a fascinating read.
@@PostApostolicChurch that doesn’t mean they aren’t correct though. The books you are reading aren’t guaranteed to be correct. Might be, might not be.
I am glad i found your channel. I will listen and learn. Jesus is coming back for the AD33 church and what that looks like. I want to be like the AD33 church. I want to go to Heaven and be with Our God and our King Jesus.
Excellent idea for a channel. Kudos.
Thank you!
Post-Apostolic Church Thank you, thank you thank you! Just in time, because I talk (like 3 weeks already back and fourth)with one Russian guy from Russia over youtube inbox. Because he says, that Russian(Greek) Orthodox Church is the one legitimate church on the planet and protestants are just loones that showed up as heretics way after. They say, that Bible is not the only source of God's revelation to men, but traditions too, where Holy Spirit is still working in some revelations to popes. They say, that mere man is prohibited to read Bible on his own. (No wonder after their fallacy Russia is in such a mess, because one can live in debauchery and still could be a christian, just pray to dead saints, put up a candle and unload some cash to popes)
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Thank you for the good comments! The Russian Orthodox Church has a rich, fascinating, and unique history. But yes, it looks like your friend could use some material that can help them understand Christian history and teaching.
Thanks for subscribing. After I post many more videos about the Pre-Nicene Christian writers, I will begin posting videos on what they believed. Stay tuned and God bless!
Post-Apostolic Church I wish you guys would really check out amazing story, that the Western christians have no idea of. It is so awesome material for a good, faith uplifting video to be made for all christrians to see. It's about Alexandr 1 tsar in 1812, who in the rising of Napoleon to power, became a real born again believer. He ordered for Western protestants come and create Bible Society in Russia. He gave order to translate Bible from old slavonic to common Russian- the Bible we have now, that is in incredibly beautiful poetic language, which by most part preserved. He strongly believed, that Napoleon will lose this war, though popes and his council surrounding counted him as mad man and asked not to dream, but to surrender before Napoleon took over Russia. Then real miracles started and God was for Russians, because Tsar believed God wholeheartedly. Napoleon troops were dying like flies and surrendering to peasants in droves. Then Russians moved to Europe, liberating Europe with English speaking allies. There is one word left(I'm not sure true or false) in Western vocabulary: BISTRO, - means :snack or small meal on the way. So this word is from Russian word -БЫСТРО. It came to be, when Russian troops were occupying France, they would go in taverns and shout at women waitresses : БЫСТРО,БЫСТРО! (BYISTRO) which means FASTER FASTER!, bring up food on to table,we are hungry!"So this word stuck to be for sliced meat and some gravy, with rice or potato, you know what I mean.
But popes of Russian Orthodoxy were like sticks in the wheel of Alexandr, constantly messing with him and stood up against the translation, holding on to Post- Nicene fallacies, where mere man not allowed to read Bible on his own. They wanted to keep status quo with old slavonic language, that few understood. They, like Pharisees of Sanhedrin, took all the power in Russia and kept people in dark.
Russian Tsars understood, that West was rising, because of Protestant Reformation. Consequently West started industrial revolution - the outcome of Protestant work ethic, when Russian Tsars didn't want to left behind technologically. And it's even before Alexandr, Peter The Great started cutting birds and dress up people in to western clothes. With Western influence, there came debauchery of life style and small cards of pictures with pornographic images from France. Alexandr felt his heart empty, after touching that garbage. He knew, that only dressing in to West clothes and chasing technology is not enough, some other things were making West great. But popes had legitimate NO-NOs to reformation in Russia, because they pointed out on to France, where King's head and his intelligentsia were chopped off and the whole political unstable mess with that came to be.
There only 100 years would be left before horrible Red Revolution of 1917, - a small time to change things around in human hearts. Though in 1913 Russia was one of the prosperous country on Earth, devilish communist thinking prevailed. People, bypassing first 2 commandments of decalogue, broke another 2 commandments in it: DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT WISH YOUR NEIGHBOR POSSESSION envying him. (Find a Russian friend and watch incredible pre-Putin- right after collapse of USSR of 1992 doc, movie here on you-tube: "Россия, которую мы потеряли"- "Russia, that we lost"- debunking Russian communist and American Left agenda, that Russia was backward society before Red Revolution.
American people mistakenly thinking, that it's all because of communists. But it's all because of Russian Orthodox Church, where they pushed back reformation in Russia, so that people would not have full access to Bible. Baptists and evangelicals were greatly persecuted: read it in book : "In the cauldron of Russia" I.S. Prochanov, and ecpecially in the book that looks like not translated yet: В.А. Попов "Стопы Благовестника. Жизнь и труды В.Г. Павлова"(V. A. Popov " Steps of the Evangelist. Life and works of V.G. Pavlov") In them Russian evangelicals testify, how popes horrifically persecuted Evangelical christians, that Western christians are not aware of. Popes would do things, that makes hair stand up on the back. They would sent evangelicals in to Siberia with worst criminals, like murders, take away kids in to government orphanage, prohibited to burry dead evangelicals on the public cemeteries, slap with enormous fines, close down houses of prayer, take away Bibles and chidren literature, even send killers and petty criminals to murder and beat down evangelicals. (All of it and worse communist will repeat, because popes and communists have one common father- Satan himself, like American lefties and muslims- have common father Satan) Popes created a very, very bad and famous book, that was a table book of Henry Ford and Hitler himself, according which he wrote his Mine Kapf. This famous Russian book -is the trigger of modern antisemitism in the world and responsible for millions of Jews "legitimately" slaughtered. It translated in to 28(+-) languages, it called "Protocol of Elders of Zion". This book brought horrific suffering in to Russia, that Churchill said: no nation on Earth suffered this much as Russians. Russia had millions of Jews in it, and Russia became great, because of them. But When they started pogrom, Russians lost their Russia and lost civil war with reds, because white forces started robbing and murdering Jews, while Jewish young men were fighting in White Army against Reds. Reds use this, and many Jews crossed to Reds. Russian Jew general Vrangel was one of the bravest, and he tried to stop luting and murder of Jews. But popes teachings in hearts of Russians prevailed. Popes will pay for it dearly, thousands of popes will die horrible death of the hands of satanic Reds. Numbers 24:9 “Blessed is he who blesses you,
And cursed is he who curses you.” Russians and Russian Jews moved to West, escaping Red commies and created lots of positive things: first helicopter, first TV, first VCR(video magneto-phone), first "bull nose" of ship hull, and many many other things in second and third generation, like google and patent for hybrid car, which Toyota will exploit,closing the deal with Russian inventor right before court fightings.
The name of the story (about Alexandr and first Bible translation in to Russian) is - Александр Руденко "История перевода Библии на русский язык" (Alexandr Rudenko "The history of translation of Bible on to Russian language") In many cases America steps in to the same darkness now, where lots of religious folk, but rarely who care about personal relationship with Christ. And let me tell you, in Russian evangelical churches, unfortunately, some kind of apathy settled in now with bunch of rules and regulations. They come for 2 hours on Sundays to listen some singing and preachings, chew each other backs of gossips, but they so neglect by most part personal study of Bible and close relationship with Christ. It's so sad. OK, brother, God bless you, thank you for video. (Is this your voice on the video, or somebody else's? Because it's familiar to me from radio broadcast preachings and from one of my subscription on UTube about book of Revelation)
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Thanks for sharing. Christian persecution is so horrible. I believe that when Christians are persecuted, it is a sign that they are doing something good. They are doing something the world (Satan's kingdom) hates.
Yes, I also see that Christianity is becoming comfortable. For many people, it just stays on the surface. They do not have a fire in their bones for God and His will. I predict that as more time passes, the difference between the deeply committed Christians and "skin-deep" Christians will grow more different. This can be a good thing because Christ's light can shine brighter in those who are His devoted followers.
Yes, that is my voice. I certainly take what you said as a compliment. :) This is my only Christian-focused TH-cam channel.
I love it
An enlightened soul can add so much clarity via translation 👌
Great information.
Tradition plays a major role in how we are to understand Christian doctrine. The early believers did not have Bibles on their shelves. Core Christian tenets were communicated to them by Bishops, who presided over them within geographic localities. Among these Bishops, who were learned and educated men, there was a somewhat common consensus on what the catholic faith consisted of, in both doctrine and practice. It must be remembered that the vast majority of Christians in the early centuries of the Church were illiterate, let alone having a Bible they could resort to for verification of truth. It was primarily the wealthy and privileged who had access to a proper education. Maverick theologies are a dime a dozen. Get ten individuals who say "only the Bible", and these same ten individuals will have ten conflicting interpretations. All this comes about by ignoring Church history and the importance of tradition. The greatest and ablest minds have already laid the ground-work of Christian truth for succeeding ages. The Church, through hard won battles with heresy, set forth her creedal formulas -the Apostles, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds. Such documents should be traesured by every Christian as embodiments of what catholic (general, histoic, orthodox) truth entails, and I use these as examples to name a few. Every Christian should read "Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History" to get a grasp of just how important tradition is, as it has been passed down to us through the centuries. The heavy lifting has already been done. All we have to do is embrace this inheritance and cherish it. Great video.
Thank you for commenting. I fully agree with the things you said. History itself is such an amazing teacher in our search for God's truth. God bless!
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Except the church isn't infallible and Catholic doctrine today is horrendous.
Note that the E Orthodox church split with Rome 1000 years ago seeing the errors that were taking root
...not so sure. Many people who followed Jesus in the early period were Jewish and Jews understood the value of education and both boys and girls were educated in reading, writing and history until they were 14.
I think the broad sweep illiteracy argument can have other problems also as while the first and second century was very stable, the third was not.
There are simple rules that apply right across all spectrums of society at all times.
where do you find the pre-nicene scriptures to read.
Valley's gardens the scriptures discussed in the New Testament (the ones Jesus and the apostles referred to) were the ones in the Old Testament. After Jesus died the gospels and letters began to be written. The books in the New Testament weren’t decided on (as “inspired by God”) until the late 4th century. Until then, there were numerous writings... some determined later to be God inspired, some not.
Amazing!! Thank you.
I'll buy that collection and listen :)