Palpatine's Original, Dark Backstories (from BEFORE the PREQUELS)

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  • We cover the original dark backstories of Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars Legends from BEFORE the release of the prequels. That and more on today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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  • @stgibbs86
    @stgibbs86 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Let me point out, the emperor being manipulated by a group of dark force users was EXACTLY what the Jedi council THOUGHT was happening to palpatine. Not that HE was the sith lord, but that the sith lord was nearby, manipulating the senate.

    • @tompearce5418
      @tompearce5418 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sith Lords, plural. The Jedi Council would have been looking for a pair of puppet masters working together, whereas Palpatine was careful never to associate publicly with Maul or Dooku.

  • @theembodimentoflightdarkness68
    @theembodimentoflightdarkness68 4 ปีที่แล้ว +869

    But one thing from his original backstory was the same, he was still *THE SENATE*

    • @MAG_1204
      @MAG_1204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      _NOT YET_

    • @optillian4182
      @optillian4182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@MAG_1204 It's treason then...

    • @dams6829
      @dams6829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      *spins crazily while yelling like crazy*

    • @TheCultureCommentary
      @TheCultureCommentary 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Its not the original backstory. Its the 1976 parallell universe commissioned to be filmed in case Star Wars (later EP4) failed at the box office.

    • @emperorlv
      @emperorlv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheCultureCommentary you ruined it >:c

  • @randeli7785
    @randeli7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +501

    "I think they'll probably be some sort of First Order remnant".
    Ah, a remnant empire of an already remnant empire.

  • @maestroicarodecarvalho3947
    @maestroicarodecarvalho3947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Strange... For me, after the prequels, Dark Empire makes more sense. The Palpatine we see in dark Empire, with his huge hunger for forbiden knowledge, his need to achieve control through manipulation, and specially his search for a way to defy death, resonates with the ideas established in the prequels.

    • @JohnWilliams-wl9px
      @JohnWilliams-wl9px 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Ícaro De Carvalho Dark Empire makes it seem like Palpatine has constantly been dying and reborn throughout the years. Later revisits just clarify Palpatine never actually died before Endor, only just discovering the Rebirth technique and how to do it.

    • @mrdunk2955
      @mrdunk2955 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I just want the Eclipse..

    • @InhabitantOfOddworld
      @InhabitantOfOddworld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And after TRoS, even more so

  • @captaincruloc3200
    @captaincruloc3200 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I remember having a discussion with a guy at work when the Phantom Menace came out, about Palpatine. He was convinced that the Palpatine wasn't the future emperor. Poor guy.

    • @rod9527
      @rod9527 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Even My dad told me that was the emperor and he was not a star wars Eu fan, perhaps it was because he was played by the same actor idk .
      I was one of the kids that watched the Originals after the phantom menace and called out My friends with their supposed theories , like they thought obiwan was gonna die in Ep 2 and i was like "no he won't, he needs to fight Anakin when he becomes darth Vader and then train luke " "oh and The chancellor is evil , he shoots lighting out of his fingertips "

  • @JXZX1
    @JXZX1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    Low-key love the way they handled Sidious in Dark Empire. It explicitly shows what the rest of the EU implies--if abominations like Darth Vitiate, Exar Kun, and Darth Nihilus existed and seemed to distort the fabric of the force just by existing, why shouldn't Sidious, who is canonically the most powerful and evil Sith in history, eclipse even their effects on the force?

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      To be fair Nihilus was a tear in reality itself (whom imo should have been the strongest)

    • @Janoha17
      @Janoha17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@ItsButterBean1020 Nihilus was a Wound in the Force created by the devastation on Malachor V. (and may have once been a Jedi.) His power was dependent on stealing the life force of others to fill the void.

    • @JXZX1
      @JXZX1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      J17
      Indeed, and Nihilus’s power and guilt from surviving Malachor by consuming the life force of others is always threatening to destroy him from the inside out. He has power, yes, but it dominates him as much as he dominates most connections with the force.
      Sidious is perhaps the only individual force user who has come close to taming and embodying the Dark Side of the force. Vitiate required many years of planning and intricate rituals to achieve what Sidious acquired individually.

    • @G31M1
      @G31M1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe because that would be very overpowered? Maybe because the force always tries to balance good and evil? Maybe because Sidious and his Master were so powerful thanks to the rule of two and all their knowledge and skills that the force created Anakin as a counter?

    • @369Sigma
      @369Sigma ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't think we were ever intended to see Sidious' true power. His ultimate strength is his cunning and restraint. He has mastered using the dark side with precision, surgically applying it when and where he needs to, to such a point that he probably never even makes a 'blip on the radar' of the force. It would explain how he was able to cloud his motives so well from everyone.

  • @robertdullnig3625
    @robertdullnig3625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    "A fever dream that if squinted at can almost fit into the lore." Sounds like a certain movie that came out recently.

    • @AugAug989
      @AugAug989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Robert Dullnig shut up you salty piece of ass

    • @xX_wiLLiam_Xx
      @xX_wiLLiam_Xx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@AugAug989 no u

    • @AugAug989
      @AugAug989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Robert Dullnig a yes someone who uses reddit insults

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Imagine being this salty

    • @ArtofLunatik
      @ArtofLunatik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Lmao aint that the truth, thats what the rise of skywalker is like smh. Im currently watching it for first tjme and damn that shit is a mess. The way its edited is terrible.

  • @philipphogerl140
    @philipphogerl140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +232

    "I cannot 'die', Yoda."
    "WHY NOT"
    "Come closer.... Death is a concept invented by the Jedi"
    "?!"
    "I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT"

    • @kingcrimson1467
      @kingcrimson1467 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Philipp Högerl Yoda: D - E - A

    • @joshuavidrine889
      @joshuavidrine889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I will use the force to heal my broken body.

    • @comicop2513
      @comicop2513 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@joshuavidrine889 Take some time that will!

    • @stevenirizarry1304
      @stevenirizarry1304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@comicop2513 you be quiet

  • @billclark5055
    @billclark5055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +210

    It's funny how Disney decided to copy Dark Empire with Rise of Skywalker. Sidious is basically a demon in ROS and he nearly destroyed a fleet. I'm sure he could sway a bunch of people too. I mean he did sway Kylo Ren and create Snoke just to manipulate Ren and his knights (former padawans).

    • @genyakozlov1316
      @genyakozlov1316 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Still not as strong, as he was in the Dark Empire, even with him electrifying an entire fleet.

    • @cadkls
      @cadkls 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      The knights were not students in Luke's academy. They are a wholly separate entity.

    • @UnrelatedNonsense
      @UnrelatedNonsense 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Well..I’m pretty certain that Snoke was supposed to play a bigger role until he was killed off like it was nothing in the Last Jedi. One director should have been in charge of the entire trilogy.

    • @Warpmek
      @Warpmek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Of all the things that Disney could have copied, they copied the worst EU material.

    • @billclark5055
      @billclark5055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Warpmek Lol exactly. I was so pissed when I realized they trashed New Republic and Jedi Order

  • @vitorkennedy1862
    @vitorkennedy1862 4 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    When Palpatine returned he planned an empire different from the original. He would no longer hide his powers or his allegiance to the dark side because he wanted the galaxy to know that he is a very powerful individual who should not be challenged. He would rule through fear and beyond his powers he would have an imperial army reunified and strengthened with the addition of new machines of massive destruction and dark side abominations created using sith alchemy. And finally above the military serving as Palpatine's enforcers would be dark side adepts who would serve as agents enforcing the emperor's will across the galaxy. In other words, the galactic empire would be a reflection of Vitiate's sith empire, with Palpatine as its immortal emperor, and Palpatine almost succeeded, he was defeated but countless lives had to be sacrificed to achieve victory. Palpatine was someone beyond the definition of evil he was worse than the devil

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Otoh, let's put dark siders over experienced military officers who actually know what they are doing. It makes sense though- being thrown into a reactor core can't be healthy for anyone's sanity.

    • @vitorkennedy1862
      @vitorkennedy1862 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@Alexthe360Great It worked very well in the past with the sith empires.I would not underestimate the achievements of Darth Marr or Darth Malgus.

    • @orcciezaj
      @orcciezaj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      God I love how you summarized Palpatine's return. It adds more context honestly.

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All the past Sith empires are dead now though...maybe papa palpy needsa new model.

    • @vitorkennedy1862
      @vitorkennedy1862 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Alexthe360Great Empires may fall and individuals die but the sith teachings are eternal.

  • @Citizen_Se7en
    @Citizen_Se7en 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Palpatine: comically evil
    I agree, the man literally didn't know when to turn the Force lightning off:
    Episode 3: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when it was turning his face into a human scrotum.
    Episode 6: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when Vader was about to toss him into a reactor shaft.
    Episode 9: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when it was melting his face off and then disintegrated him.

    • @BenFrankarts
      @BenFrankarts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It’s like he sucked at handling his own lightning. I think Dooku was much more tacit.

    • @toddnolastname4485
      @toddnolastname4485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      In episode 3, he was too shocked that anyone could turn it back on him to stop right away, and I don't think he kept it going very long. In episode 6, we was trying to kill Vader before Vader could throw him over. Episode 9 was a piece of crap, with no rational thought given to anything.

  • @thelegendarypancakebutterf9363
    @thelegendarypancakebutterf9363 4 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    Everyone gangsta till palpatine comes

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Super easy, barely an inconvenience. Just add Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine Skywalker.

    • @cancelanime1507
      @cancelanime1507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only to nearly be stopped by a random clone trooper

    • @elitestranger5262
      @elitestranger5262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alexthe360Great Palpatine still won though

    • @Obaminator42069
      @Obaminator42069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Considering the fact that he was killed by his own granddaughter, seem like palpatine gangsta till palpatine cums

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@elitestranger5262 Well, his bloodline has certainly outlived the Skywalker bloodline, I'll give you that.

  • @jamiewalsh3349
    @jamiewalsh3349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I learned of the Emperor's true identity in the Behind the Magic CD-ROM set and was like "HOLY SHIT SENATOR PALPATINE IS THE EMPEROR!"

  • @lenkagamine4145
    @lenkagamine4145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have to say, I LOVE dark empire palpatine. I love having force powers so powerful they can dominate the galaxy as a whole just as military force can.

  • @Dyundu
    @Dyundu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    FINALLY, someone else is talking about the endnotes from Dark Empire. There's so much good lore there, and I was wondering if anyone else had even read these. They're nearly like the appendencies in Lord of the Rings, but shorter and absolutely insane to read.

  • @mousermind
    @mousermind 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "...a Palpatine that's just been dying everywhere..."
    LMAO

  • @zacharynathan10
    @zacharynathan10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It definitely seems the original concept for the Emperor was heavily influenced by the Emperor and empire from the Dune series. Powerful, but not necessarily secure in that power or free from the influence/desires of his constituents.

  • @obi-wancanoli8236
    @obi-wancanoli8236 4 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    #askeck What if the Yuuzhan Vong and Sith technobeasts encountered one another during the Vong invasion? Could the Vong have been infected by the techno virus? Could the infection have spread, and possibly taken over the whole invasion force?

    • @aster4jaden
      @aster4jaden 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I love that thought, infecting the Yuuzhan Vong with a techno virus forcing them to become what they hate.

    • @obi-wancanoli8236
      @obi-wancanoli8236 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aster4jaden Exactly!

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dark Empire isn't totally ignored. There's obviously Crimson Empire as a sequel, but also all the other stuff by KJA that ties in with it since he worked on Dark Empire. Jeter's Bounty Hunter Wars has Kuat of Kuat guess at Palpatine's will to dominate all minds and drain the galaxy, and the Han Solo Trilogy (Ann Crispin's) has lots of Dark Empire nods, mostly to the Nar Shadaa sections since it's about Han and his friends, but it also has a section about Palpatine using the Dark Side to push one of his Moff's ambitions into overdrive to make him overplay his hand and justify an execution for failure. (This is basically her explanation of the Imperial Mutiny as Palpatine doing the same thing to his captains)

    • @qualityautismNoah
      @qualityautismNoah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy it mentions the damage that the fight against the Reborn Emperor had cost. There are also moments in New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force where characters are like "what's going on, did the Emperor return again?" or "Luke, that's your dumbest idea since you willingly became the Emperor's apprentice". The authors knew the fans didn't like Dark Empire much, so they kept referencing it to a minimum or made some jokey comments like these two examples about it.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qualityautismNoah I liked parts of Dark Empire, Luke offering Palpatine a chance to turn good again after experience and rejecting the Dark Side meditation was interesting.

  • @canaan_perry
    @canaan_perry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Emperor in the New Hope novelization is much more like the dysfunctional emperors In Asimov's Foundation series which started in the 1940s (a series from which Lucas took a fair amount of inspiration for his whole Star Wars universe). For example the capital of Asimov's galaxy is a planet called Trantor -- which is made of one giant city that covers the entire surface just like Coruscant in Star Wars.

  • @markserrette9313
    @markserrette9313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The toy from the OT was named emperor palpatine

  • @sheevone4359
    @sheevone4359 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Well actually palpatine dying and resurrecting in dark empire is pretty close to the emperor we got in TROS.

    • @Joecbg100
      @Joecbg100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Had to be inspired. I really wanna read Dark Empire

    • @faronomus1589
      @faronomus1589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      JosephDiEgidioIII it’s better than tros

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely was

    • @redterrorproductions1373
      @redterrorproductions1373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What even is TROS?

    • @sheevone4359
      @sheevone4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redterrorproductions1373 the rise of skywalker

  • @KamilMuzyka
    @KamilMuzyka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I loved the Eldritch Palpatine of the Dark Empire. But I loved Viper Automatons and world devastators even more.

  • @RichardAugust
    @RichardAugust 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In the original story, filled out in interviews in 77 and 78, Tarkin was the real power in Star Wars. Lucasfilm wasn't sure if there'd be a second film, so the first film was really the entirety of story and the background of his father and all was just simply the backdrop to infuse life into Star Wars. And in original coverage during the release, the Empire was destroyed by Luke blowing up the Deathstar. Star Wars 1977 was the beginning and the ending of the whole story as far as anything happening. It was only after the first three months after its release in theatres that they realized they would add to the story and dismiss Luke's original victory as just one of many battles. The only thing that suggested any further films was Vader flying away in his fighter.

    • @andrewbloom7694
      @andrewbloom7694 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tarkin did mention an emperor though, one who wasn't present on the Death Star, which would definitely imply the empire was still around in some capacity

  • @cinemar
    @cinemar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm currently listening to the Darth Plagueis audiobook and it's really good. The writing and acting is superb and the voice for a young Palpatine is perfect.

  • @keithkeith293
    @keithkeith293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you Eck for answering my question about why Palpatine was always deformed in a new cloned body. I've always wondered about that.
    I have a suggestion for a versus. Centerpoint station versus a completed Death Star 2.
    Great vid as always. I so love your pup too. He is adorable!

  • @dickers9012
    @dickers9012 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    A wanna see a Palpatine mini series or movie of him in his younger days

    • @0predaking0
      @0predaking0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A just imagine some show like:
      Plagueis and Sheev, the rise of emperor

    • @ratbat1072
      @ratbat1072 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sheev: A Star Wars Story

    • @krispalermo8133
      @krispalermo8133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ratbat1072 I will have to be more than one movie in length.

    • @UGNAvalon
      @UGNAvalon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe it could be like the Gotham series was to the Batman franchise?
      (At least in concept; I’ve never actually watched it myself.)

    • @cjbray6584
      @cjbray6584 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same

  • @darkarchonaut709
    @darkarchonaut709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I have a theory about Palpatine saying he’s died many time etc...
    Some sith have the power to transfer their knowledge similar to the way the gravemind from halo can remember the memories from another past gravemind.

  • @Hartzilla2007
    @Hartzilla2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Considering Pryde’s comments about Starkiller being a mistake along with the First Order leadership talking about how much The Final Order would bolster them, I’m thinking the First Order didn’t actually have the military might to control the whole Galaxy and they were taking advantage of the galaxy being in chaos after they blew up the New Republic capital and their main fleet.

    • @Janoha17
      @Janoha17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They used the wealth they had stolen in the Unknown regions and sleeper agents on strategic worlds to throw coups after Starkiller Base fired.

    • @SirBeast_Mode
      @SirBeast_Mode 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They had more than the New Republic by the time of the firing as you see in Battlefront 2 campaign and and Star Wars Resistance show

  • @jeremyg4560
    @jeremyg4560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanna say thanks for carrying on the EU/Legends torch. Keeps me coming back.

  • @SH-fx6ks
    @SH-fx6ks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Definitely subbing to your channel. Nice video. No clickbait title, video matches the title, no repeating yourself constantly to drive it over 10 mins and stating your sources. Just straight up lore. I wish more channels were still like this.

  • @princeprocrastinate6485
    @princeprocrastinate6485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The aspect of Palpatine having died many times and being some entity beyond normal existence is something they certainly pushed in Ep IX.

  • @wyoboy01
    @wyoboy01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    In regards to the question at the end, the Star Destroyer over Endor that got Holdoed, looks more like a Resurgent-class than a Xyston-class.

    • @SirBeast_Mode
      @SirBeast_Mode 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cuz it was most of those at the end were resurgent class

  • @RedJet-bq6fq
    @RedJet-bq6fq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I for one am glad and quite pleased with how TROS handled Palpatine

  • @flareprime
    @flareprime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dark Empire Palpatine feels a lot like the Sith Emperor from KOTOR/SWTOR

  • @turtlelol2411
    @turtlelol2411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good, good, now strike me down with all your anger!

  • @lukevankleef4245
    @lukevankleef4245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I read at a exhibition that in pre-production of Empire Strikes Back, in the scene where Palpatine calls Vader on the hologram, he would have switched between his old man form, a beautiful woman and a huge monster. Which I think would have been interesting, really showing off the sinister supernatural element.

  • @ericshawn3169
    @ericshawn3169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really can’t believe JJ decided to adapt Dark Empire

  • @lamaahruloma4270
    @lamaahruloma4270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Palpatine in the Dark Empire is awesome. I admire horror in many forms and this was beautiful the way some things were told and untold, the style of the comics and more. It's sad that whole Dark Empire including Palpatine was destroyed by my dog and transformed into small square pieces - really squares, it's not a way of description. My beloved Dita had this gift to tear all things into real small squares and so ended the Emperor Palpatine at my house, in a horrible darkness of the dog's mouth.

  • @absalomdraconis
    @absalomdraconis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The biggest thing that I remember from around when Phantom Menace came out is that lots of people were complaining that Disney had decanonized Legends, completely forgetting that Legends had always been hanging by a thread anyways...
    Wait a minute, George did that, not Disney, and we called it the EU instead of Legends!

    • @goodmind4940
      @goodmind4940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      George still allowed it to exist

    • @eds1942
      @eds1942 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lucas made it clear from the get go that the movies were canon and that the EU would be secondary stories for others to develop. Due to inconsistencies in the early EU and Lucas’ own mistakes in the Prequels, he setup a team that retconned things, tiered the EU canon and added better direction with it.
      Disney had them dump the whole thing and the leadership at LucasFilms decided to barrow elements from the EU to incorporate it to the new canon. Which we can see in a number of cases in the sequel trilogy.
      I for one wish that they had continued the EU as Legends being an alternate universe, while they went on to develop new material for the new canon so that everyone could be satisfied rather than half the fandom finding new things to complain about by the decisions made for the new canon. Then they could’ve used the galaxy setup in the old EU as a point of crossover rather than having to redraw the whole galaxy from scratch.

    • @dylaningobernoble9971
      @dylaningobernoble9971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Hanging by a thread" is a bit of an exaggeration. It had a very clear tired system of canon that was very logical. The only real inconsistencies in it were stuff that ended up being contradicted by the prequels but they ironed that out once we had the complete episodes 1-3 stories.

  • @randallpetroelje3913
    @randallpetroelje3913 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would have to say that this is one of your best shows!! How you covered the broad spectrum of palpatine piqued my interest. I didn’t know there was a few more back stories about him. Very cool, thanks again for your show and commentary.👍

  • @wdarkk
    @wdarkk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I actually liked Dark Empire, maybe it was the art style, but I really enjoyed it.

    • @all_watched_over
      @all_watched_over 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the guys that worked on Dark Empire (Tom Veitch and Cam Kennedy) got picked up because of their earlier work on The Light And Darkness War, worth reading if you enjoyed Dark Empire. LADW is a great story that I could see some studio picking up for an adaptation

  • @rhyspike7430
    @rhyspike7430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your videos. Keep on keeping on

  • @sblinder1978
    @sblinder1978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Emperor was only unnamed in the OT if you didn't buy the toys :D

  • @Hhhhhh-sz9ud
    @Hhhhhh-sz9ud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Palpatine of Dark Empire seems to have been almost a proto-Vitiate

  • @electrik_loss
    @electrik_loss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I genuinely love Dark Empire and it's insanity.

  • @patricktaylor8173
    @patricktaylor8173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My biggest issue with Dark Empire was the way the emperor could just grant force powers at will. other than that it was a fairly decent story line.

  • @glass4breakfast
    @glass4breakfast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful amazing video! Great points n interesting ideas!

  • @matthewpahnke2613
    @matthewpahnke2613 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lore before the prequels are my favorite videos you put out.

  • @spi2derman
    @spi2derman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, Eck!

  • @gabrote42
    @gabrote42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh, so THAT'S where the comic irregulars got the idea for Darths&Droids!Palpatine. Good to know.

  • @izzymaedavidson1974
    @izzymaedavidson1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your content man. And I especially love your channel’s profile picture. It’s adorable.

  • @wolfpack5065
    @wolfpack5065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    #AskEk have you seen the Expanse and would you be interested in covering some of the ships form the show?

    • @generalantilles2586
      @generalantilles2586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you want some good, canon-accurate analysis of the ships of the Expanse, look up Spacedock's Force Recon series. He covers a good portion of them.

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@generalantilles2586 "cannon accurate" Canon can't decide how many launch tubes Donnager had!

    • @UGNAvalon
      @UGNAvalon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean, he _Did_ work directly with the Expanse team so...

  • @kangaroogaming7008
    @kangaroogaming7008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool video. Love it

  • @williamwebb580
    @williamwebb580 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I learned that Palpatine was the emperor through a toy catalog.

    • @natesoto1362
      @natesoto1362 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toys are the reason I knew Thor would lose an eye in Ragnarok.

  • @Chupacabrathe2nd
    @Chupacabrathe2nd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If his name being Sheev comes from George himself, I'd say it supercedes any idea of continuity.

  • @Hartzilla2007
    @Hartzilla2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For the record in one of the New Hope early drafts it was kind of implied the Sith were pulling the strings of the Empire, Basically Vader’s predecessor as head of the Sith Order was occupying a high level position in the Empire and was being the man behind the throne.

  • @subwaysnacker
    @subwaysnacker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your research is phenomenal :D

  • @trollerpilotxiv3079
    @trollerpilotxiv3079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Hey Eck, did you hear Kennedy's statement about there being "no source material to draw from"?

    • @KapnKrowe
      @KapnKrowe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Biggest Bruh Moment of 2019

  • @biscoloco
    @biscoloco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Legends and the George Lucas films is the only Star Wars universe worth covering.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I mean the Vader comics are amazing as is Clone Wars and Mandalorion

    • @bribriman
      @bribriman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Have to disagree. Legends has so much junk.

    • @darthmexihcah2270
      @darthmexihcah2270 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bribriman not as much crap as cannon

  • @monkey0000
    @monkey0000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I was little I thought darth sidious and chancellor palpatine were two separate people

  • @Sithis-zs9cy
    @Sithis-zs9cy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I just finished the Thrawn trilogy and I wish Disney had taken that direction more than anything else

    • @moguldamongrel3054
      @moguldamongrel3054 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You an the entire fandom. I was thinking back in the day yessss theirs enough Star Wars material for Star Wars movies for the foreseeable futures. And I can't fucking what to see the thrown series on film. And I can't wait to see The Ganners "You shall not pass" moment against the vong. But no we get this garbage.

    • @silent_stalker3687
      @silent_stalker3687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mogul DaMongrel
      I’m suspended you aren’t and at them shoving the or final trilogy into a “more canon” film... that compiled all 3 episodes of the originals in 1 animated film, it comes out in May 23rd
      They have given Joba slug eyes and guess what? They quote “order 66” multiple times by the star-troopers.
      You can see the Poc (proof of concept) by a animated scene of Laia shooting back at the startroopers in a animated vid on Disney or Lucas TH-cam, having her literally snatch the gun out of Luke’s hands to do so :/ pretty bad

    • @silent_stalker3687
      @silent_stalker3687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mogul DaMongrel
      Here’s a the clip Incase it gets flagged as spam
      th-cam.com/video/6xAcbqnaIsQ/w-d-xo.html
      Testing, okay doesn’t seem this comment was flagged

    • @Metallizombie
      @Metallizombie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeahhh. Luuke was great.

  • @jayb8934
    @jayb8934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Seems to me that The Rise of Skywalker and its depiction of Palpatine took a lot of inspiration from Dark Empire.

  • @dnlowithstripes
    @dnlowithstripes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I for one liked the idea that Sidious (and formerly Plaeguis) did what they did because they knew of the Yuuzhan Vong and were so fearful of them that they had to unify the entire galaxy and build a huge fleet, even if by force.

  • @princecharon
    @princecharon ปีที่แล้ว

    Dark Empire being a fever-dream Luke had due to some Dark Side attack or poison (or an ordinary illness) makes a lot of sense, IMHO.

  • @zaneenns5903
    @zaneenns5903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I see dark empire as completely and totally canon. Especially since it’s mentioned in NJO, LOTF, and FOTJ. I think that what Palpatine said about dying over and over was simply a lie, told to make him seem even more overwhelmingly powerful. Just a thought

    • @Janoha17
      @Janoha17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The only thing more powerful than Sidious' force abilities is his ego. They had to supersize the Second Death Star just to have room for it when he dropped by.

    • @carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
      @carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526 ปีที่แล้ว

      During Luke and Mara Jade's wedding comic series some characters said they thought DE Palpatine was not the real one -just a rogue clone.

  • @iceomistar4302
    @iceomistar4302 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This idea wasn't entirely abandoned, in the Old EU the Emperor had a bunch of Darkside adepts who were his advisors.

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorian was modeled after Palpatine's Dark Empire backstory. A quasi-demonic entity who has lived for centuries and has lived and died in different bodies

  • @macwade2755
    @macwade2755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One thing will always remain constant about him. He is the Senate!

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

    • @jetx2599
      @jetx2599 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They would’ve won the war lol

  • @dwaldpilar9309
    @dwaldpilar9309 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another awesome vid , thanks for answering my question....

  • @jlfein
    @jlfein 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Can you make a video that’s like a guide for someone who wants to start reading legends books and what books to read

    • @aurorauplinks
      @aurorauplinks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shadows of the empire is a good starting point while he is busy, it is as close original canon as you get since it was a comic series book series and video game series, then uhh... splinter of the minds eye if you dare, followed by the xwing books, and truce at bakura and thrawn trilogy, and courtship of princess Leia, those are core principle books of the original trilogy alongside I jedi and the jedi trilogy with kyp duron... I know you want him, but until he does it, if your impatiant to read, those are all good fundamental stories interlinking. I think you will like the comics archives too if you can find them on s digital archive site for sale like that one charity site that does monthly sales

    • @MrZkinandBonez
      @MrZkinandBonez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eckhart's Ladder made a video about this a few years back called "MUST READ Star Wars Legends Books, and Where to Start | Star Wars EU Reading Guide".
      I'd personally say that Shadows of the Empire is a pretty good starting point as it's one of the most accessible SW books (set between ep. 5 & 6). Alternatively, and this is what pretty much every Legends fan will tell you, the Thrawn Trilogy is one of the best places to start (if you don't mind committing to a trilogy right out of the gate).

    • @jlfein
      @jlfein 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      MrZkinandBonez I didn’t know about that video, but there are also new books that have been released and it may be beneficial to just make a new guide altogether

    • @MrZkinandBonez
      @MrZkinandBonez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jlfein New books aren't part of Legends canon so a new video wouldn't matter. All books published since 2014 are canon and Legends has been discontinued.

    • @jlfein
      @jlfein 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      MrZkinandBonez oh I didn’t realize, I never quite quite understood how the timeline worked - all the more reason for a new video perhaps?

  • @ajzeg01
    @ajzeg01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All these old details that later got retconned are so interesting to me. And people were shocked when the EU was officially declared non-canon? Where had they been for the last 20+ years? Shit was contradicted and retconned all the time. We all should’ve seen it coming.

    • @JustinTK416
      @JustinTK416 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ajzeg01 Yeah, but the EU was retconned in pieces to allow for new content to have more freedom where it needed it. Disney basically threw out the whole thing, made their own stuff, and said “This is Star Wars now”, and since then has been all over the place with what they’re making and calling canon.
      While the total throw out of the old lore is frustrating for many, it’s the fact that a lot of the replacement material is lackluster that really irks people.

  • @KillerAlmond
    @KillerAlmond 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:24 "Always having so much fun" *lighting*

  • @rod9527
    @rod9527 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dark empire is so dark that even Luke is scary , before the dark side influence, he grows so powerful and the way he talks makes me uneasy

  • @samspeed6271
    @samspeed6271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Quite an interesting back story. It's dark, but not very dark, like a strong tea instead of the black coffee you see with Darth Vader in Canon.
    I have a copy of the novel of Star Wars somewhere and I've been meaning to find and read it, so tomorrow: into the garage!
    Honestly though, I now find myself feeling like neither this or the canon back story does Shiv justice. After all, he's supposed to be the physical embodiment of evil, evil on a calibre that makes the Borg Queen look nice. I feel like his plotting in the prequels needs to be more devious, more manipulative. If we take Dooku out of the equation and have Palpatine manipulate the senate into screwing the separatists over to the point where they want out, that would be more convoluted and more worthy of a tactician of his calibre.

  • @ryanhickman3335
    @ryanhickman3335 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good vid

  • @CDeering
    @CDeering 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ECKHARTS LADDER!!

  • @krispalermo8133
    @krispalermo8133 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Please do a follow up with " Crimson Empire,"
    Where the Emperor true down fall come from one of his crimson guards bribing his cloning doctor into defecting all of his clones. It was not just the Darkside clouding the Emperor judgement it was also defect clone bodies that brought him down.
    After " Crimson Empire " comic series come out, everyone at my game shop LOAO !
    Cause it redder the Skywalker " Star Wars " Sage a mote point.
    Palpatine would have raise and fall with out the Skywalker family anyhow.

    • @die1mayer
      @die1mayer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crimson Empire is actually one of the best comics/graphic novels of the Legends continuity and a way better conclusion of the Dark Empire timeline than the crazy shit in Dark Empire 2/Empire's End.

    • @user-wj3we7rw5r
      @user-wj3we7rw5r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      (sory for my bad english) Only the last clone was defective. In the "Empire's end" (Dark Empire part 3) Palpatine says that his best clones was destroyed by Luke Skywalker, this is why he was necessary to use a last defective one. Before using a defective clone he hadn't problems with the health and only the dark side damaged his body. In the "Empire's end" Emperor's last body was very sick and weak, Palpatine could use his force abilities very rarely, and force using was accompanied by pain. Story about why last clone was defective was writen after in "Crimson Empire".

  • @UGNAvalon
    @UGNAvalon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Haven’t seen Rise of Skywalker yet, but looking at TFA & TLJ overall (or at least, their lack of continuity) makes me think that Dark Empire Palpatine (or at least a refined version of him) could’ve been a good explanation for much of TFA.
    The ghost of Palpatine whispers into young Ben Solo’s mind, turning him toward the Dark, and potentially to use him as a powerful vessel. When Grandmaster Luke finds out, he’s distraught not only at the loss of his nephew, but at the realization that the sacrifice of his father and his own efforts in the New Jedi Order were ultimately powerless against his Dark Power. Could drive a man to insanity, or more likely despair, or hopefully, to seek out a powerful countermeasure in the Unknown Regions.

  • @AE-jo2fy
    @AE-jo2fy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is something so wholsome about seeing all these people talking about the first time they realized the chancelor was the emperor when they were 8 or something.

  • @pettipasb
    @pettipasb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Closed captioning "Eckhart Slaughter"

  • @mittensfastpaw
    @mittensfastpaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting and I’m glad he went other routes.

  • @sigmus1475
    @sigmus1475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know it kinda seems to me that Vitiate from SWTOR is actually really similar to the Palpatine we got to see in the old Dark Empire comics.

  • @hamoodhabibi1579
    @hamoodhabibi1579 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool and good

  • @cameronprice4922
    @cameronprice4922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We can agree the whether in legends and canon. Palpatine is a the ultimate meme lord! XD

  • @thedarkknight727
    @thedarkknight727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This cool and all, but have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Trageduse the wise, he was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so power and so wise the he could even used the Force to create SAND. 😆

  • @ihatebritain3942
    @ihatebritain3942 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now: have you heard the tragedy of darts plagueis the wise

    • @jamiebraswell5520
      @jamiebraswell5520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is "Darts" Plagueis the younger brother of Darth Plagueis? ?

  • @John11121
    @John11121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    star wars before the prequels was my favorite version

  • @tpeack
    @tpeack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i remember Cos Dashit, thank god they changed that name

  • @SchardtCinematic
    @SchardtCinematic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dark Empire is one of my favorite stories.

  • @artemisfleming9981
    @artemisfleming9981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    SHEEVY BOI

  • @clarencebeaks1315
    @clarencebeaks1315 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nize

  • @baschdiro8565
    @baschdiro8565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    After seeing the movies for the first time in 1998, I read their novelizations countless times, not knowing for the EU to exist.
    But when TPM came out, I immediately knew, who the senator of Naboo is going to become.
    My best friend took 20 years to understand the full plan.

  • @blaineishere3851
    @blaineishere3851 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminds me of the story for the palpatine we got in TROS/ the TROS visual dictionary.

  • @edwardchong7212
    @edwardchong7212 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They'd better make a tv show about Sheev and the Palpatine family, Sheev's old days as a fearless pod racer. A handsome, big dreamer forced to live under the shadow of his powerful and influencial father, the ruler of Naboo. But his luck and fate will come eventually with the support of a foreign diplomat, a Munn species secretly a sith under the name of Darth Plagueis.

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Between the Vagyr from Homeworld 2 and the alliance in Mass Effect who would win in a war?

  • @friscofiacso2375
    @friscofiacso2375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll always remember palpatine as an old evil space wizard who loves pissing people off and zapping people.

  • @cardsatanywhere363
    @cardsatanywhere363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something something, dark side.
    Something something, complete.

  • @Zoditron
    @Zoditron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Of all the things they could of loosly adapted from legends for TROS they chose dark empire.