EDIT: I made a slight error in regards to the remark about the damage model of the T16 Rhino/T32 Bull. The Rhino sports an improved max damage range but drops more aggressively, with the T32 Bull sporting the baseline 10m damage and dropping only one damage model over the distance. I would still consider the roles I assigned each LMG accurate, despite my slight error on the stats in the video. My apologies guys. The Light Machine Gun arsenal available to the TR is vast and varied, so let's cover all the options with a quick overview behind each of them! Sit back, we have a bit to go through today! If you enjoyed the video backhand that like button! Feedback is always appreciated. ►Become a member on the channel today : th-cam.com/channels/AEmJIcQb3Gq6jMELVksCOg.htmljoin OR ►Support the channel via a one-off pledge via Paypal : paypal.me/CAMIKAZE78 Connect with me! ►Twitter: twitter.com/CAMIKAZE78 ►Discord: discord.gg/3z5uKVp ►Twitch: twitch.tv/camikaze78
MG-H1 has same hip fire as MSW, higher dps and dmg per mag than T9 Carv and fastest headshot kill time than all LMGs. Downside is at medium range and up is not so good and long reload similar to Carv and smaller ammo pool 3 mags. This is the Meta LMG for people who land headshots consistently.
@@sushizinger4530 Watchman isn't meta because reload is crippling(from empty it's 7 seconds, not even CARV's worst 5.6 can compare) I would happily trade 50 magazine capacity for half the reload time.
Also one note on the watchman. Im very sure that the rpm of the sound itself would fit a 500-600 rpm weapon more. It doesnt sound at all like a dakka gun.
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Well i cant pick too, only if butcher gets its SPA back i would use that for sure, but it deserves more than Just a SPA, maybe a faster reload, or tolerance moved to 0.8 like betel so it doesnt shoot random
Honestly the butcher is my favorite of the faction directive lmg’s. As much as I love the betel, it just isn’t as dominant in cqc as my round spewing head chewer that is the butcher. I’ve leveled a full squad of gobs by good maneuvering in a triple stack before they could even know I was there thanks to the butcher, and god knows that I’m not that good at the game.
honestly the base LMG is great, its my main LMG and ive played a fair bit with everyother one. easily my fav LMG due to how well you can control it and how fast it melts people.
The CARV isn’t bad but coming fresh off of VS heavy was UNBELIEVABLY jarring. Starts blooming really fucking fast and the recoil is a little wack but if you can control it, it slings lead like a monster.
Since movement is key to most engagements- once you've learned how to burst fire your weapon correctly. The best option to do with TR LMG's is to put a lasersight on them (I wouldn't put one on the TMG-50 though) LMG's biggest weakness besides their long reloads is the hipfire. Which is why you can often find yourself be out-danced by an assault rifle or carbine because they can maintain an accurate hipfire at a longer range than you can. So being able to atleast mitigate that with a lasersight is the go to option. There is also the fact that LMG's have a very slow equip time and foregrips only extend that time- laser sights do not.
@@LordCommissarDrac bursting doesn't stop horizontal recoil from making you miss half your shots. It's not that the recoil is just strong. It's inconsistent, and a foregrip tames the inconsistency. Additionally, the base hipfire is so bad that a laser sight doesn't help.
just got my hand on the msw-r yesterday, had a blast with it, and this video explains why i like it pretty well. Defenitely interested in trying out the tmg-50 as well.
TMG-50 is basically a waste of certs when you can just buy T32 instead. If you do headshot exclusively(not that you would; but it's something to strive for, and often are forced into as mana turret/headglitching enemy exists) it's the same 4 shot kill outside the 8m range at with 167 damage with HVA can 3 shot headshot(it wasn't a competitive hs ttk anyway) due to identical 125 minimum damage. It could really use a buff to max damage range(like T16, not that T16 is any good when you can...as usual...just get the T32) if it's to stay competitive. Quite sad really, it sounds good and looks good with its newer unique model. But the performance just isn't quite there. (pay attention to TMG-50's horizontal recoil intensity and tolerance to see why - it's one of few weapons with the worst trait in game of being able to jump 3 times horizontally in same direction consecutively). iridar-mirror.knyazev.io/index.html%3Fp=1343.html I hope you didn't buy it yet. If you haven't auraxed every other LMG, just get those(hell, even Rhino has a decent place with 20m max damage range).
I really like Bull to be honest. HVA, compensator and forward grip + optic of choice can mow down planetmans at ridiculous ranges. I mean seriously, I can outsnipe a sniper with this thing.
I personally hate th MSW-R but im also on PS4 and despite 1700 hours on TR am still quite terrible and can't gain the ipper hand in close quarters most of the time
Curious as to how you differ the T16 Rhino and T32 Bull? Overall they follow pretty similar architypes (excluding attachments/mag sizes. Attachments for me more about augmenting the base weapon hence why I still put them as similar in design). The TMG-50 though does have the better damage drop off range and the same minimum damage output as all other LMGs (125, excluding the Watchman), so would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on that too. As always, appreciate the feedback mate!
@@CAMIKAZE78 The T16 Rhino and T32 Bull used to be very similar until the great LMG rebalance. The T16 Rhino, with its better maximum damage range, up to 200 magazine capacity and 500 ammo pool is now a dedicated point-hold weapon. The T32 Bull however, is not. With its best-in-class recoil, bullet speed and damage drop-off, it's a dedicated mid to long range LMG. The TMG 50 fails in that role because it vertical kicks like mule, which becomes problematic at long ranges. It's a weapon for tap fire headshot try-hards but it doesn't fulfill any specific tactical role in the TR arsenal.
TMG's failure isn't even vertical recoil. It's the fact that it has the "TR faction trait" of 3 kicks in same direction horizontally. iridar-mirror.knyazev.io/index.html%3Fp=1343.html
If theres trusting planetside wiki, rhino has max CoF of 1.2 degrees. Even though not officially being cq weapon, i've witnessed many situtations when upon falling or recovering from bad movemement you need to take the shot. Instead of the fire missing from all sides, the max CoF enables the pattern remain relatively tight.
with how hva ammo works now, rhino and tmg hold their damage at pretty long ranges. rhino and its other faction twins start dropping off at 20 meters which is pretty unique vs other full auto primary weapons.
Keep in mind I play on ps4 so this might influence how you see my opinion. TLDR: Watchman is a trash version of the promise NC lmg. I play TR with the TMG, T-16, and the watchman (mainly). My favorite being the TMG for it's rewarding damage, moderate fire rate, ample drum size, its speedy reload and accurate cone of fire. The rhino is situational for point defense being a great bullet hose with a drum that fits the TR's development stereotype. The watchman is a abomination, a waste of time to someone without fine aiming control (for you mouse players). Here are my problems with it: Low drum size/ fire rate ratio... with a seven second reload, you can almost empty the drum faster then you can reload. Basically you reload the gun more then you fire it in intense combat. It has similar DPS to the carv, but the carv is preferable in almost every way... drum cap, damage model, accuracy, range, COF, reload time, attachments that don't hinder mag cap (WTF IMPACT AMMO). If you're on console, don't bother unless you need the butcher, and even then any other LMG is a better alternative. How would I fix this? ~1000 rpm, lower but more reliable damage model (impact ammo buff with no mag downside), double the drum cap and keep the falloff/ reload speed. Maybe even tighten up the COF spread a bit. I don't see this as unreasonable considering the promise is literally a NC carv but with a bigger box mag the the watchman and carv LOL.
I agree with that. I only have the watchmen just because it's our faction specific weapon for our heavy, it's not bad but definitely lacking in a few aspects I feel.
In game, the mini chaingun isn't technically a LMG. It counts as a "heavy weapon", There's one for each faction (TR= mini chaingun, NC= jackhammer, VS= lasher and NSO= thumper) I hope this clears any confusion, as the difference isn't immediately obvious.
Anybody here who understands why the TMG-50 drops down to 125 at lowest damage tier? I recall the matching LMGs for the other factions not having such a high damage drop off. Favourite goes to T-32 Bull, though. Nice Video!
TR LMG's seem to be very situational. MSW-R is great, but has a limited ammo pool and with a magazine size of only 50, you'll find yourself overwhelmed quickly if you're trying to stand your ground. Watchman is great in close quarters, it has a wicked dropoff making you wonder if you're shooting nerf balls at targets down range. The Bull, great for an assault/breeching role due to it's quick reload. But, due to the slow fire rate you'll find it lacking in almost any other scenario. The Rhino is great for suppression due to the extended mag boosting it to 200 rounds. But, the slow fire means you have a limited damage output for engagements where you need to drop multiple targets quickly. Only one that's average across all scenarios is the T9-Carv, it's sturdy and reliable, but doesn't really stand out in any particular way.
4:24 "Identical Damage Models" So we're just going to ignore the fact that T16 has long max damage range and T32 drops only one tier? TMG-50 is basically a worse GD-22S(worse hipfire, 50% more magazine for ~86% more reload time, also more recoil) while it has same minimum damage as T32(generally more effective as TMG-50 gets shit on by Nanoweave at times, also has decent hipfire for a LMG). CARV-S is actually surprisingly decent with suppressor, HVA, extended mag, and 1x of choice. It has more stability over standard T9 CARV(even with grip) because it only jumps maximum of twice in a row to one side instead of T9 CARV's insane 3 times(vast majority of LMG if not all of the rest of lmg only jump twice in one direction). T16 and T32 would be made viable if they swapped base horizontal recoil characteristics & availability of advanced forward grip (so T16 with extended mag/no foregrip would be viable while T32 would have a tiny bit better horizontal recoil when using afg). Watchman has a crippling reload speed despite the fact that every other "lower caliber" TR weapon(125max damage) generally have faster reload speed than their 143 damage counterparts. Other stats are...okay(surprisingly decent at mid range ADS on the move when using Impact Ammo, except it lowers mag size and cause more reloads), really bad stationary ADS COF made up for by best in class moving COF(unfortunately, same 0.05 bloom makes it a lot less useful). It mostly just looks good in a WW1 watercooled-barrel sort of way. Hipfire with laser + softpoint is workable as well due to forgiving ROF(hipfire bloom needs to be toned down). At least its recoil characteristics is surprisingly decent unlike T9 CARV. A lot of people think MSW-R is god gun but really it's meh compared to what VS gets. Yes it has advanced laser sight for acceptable LMG hipfire, but good players ADS for headshots even at close range so foregrip is standard; in panic-firing range the VS Orion/Betelgeuse actually has better hipfire(base hipfire stats are better; but no advanced laser sight). Orion/Betelgeuse also has lower recoil overall(lower vertical, tiny bit lower horizontal, less recoil angle; difference in horizontal tolerance actually doesn't make a difference as two shots to either side with both weapons exceeds the tolerance), plus lower bloom(0.04 instead of 0.05 for most 143 damage weapons). VS also gets cleanest 1x/2x sights vs TR and NC's thick sight housing. No comparison in directive weapons either; Butcher lacks the gimmicks(very useful ones in VS's case; refinement of default gun in NC's case) of other two factions. Hence I only bothered to Aurax T9 CARV because I couldn't decide on what else to aurax...they all kinda suck, but at least CARV is free.
He really glossed over the finer quirks and nuances of the LMG lineup, especially the Bull and Rhino, so much so that I would say his "review" is factually incorrect and misrepresents each weapon, and how they function. Just like in his assault rifle video, he doesn't really understand how TR weapons work, or the best way to utilize them.
@@wagonranger7388 It is "like" GD-22S in that it has 0.35 ads moving cof. But it doesn't have rest of the advantages of a more portable 167 damage LMG, and rest of stats (not counting 0.35) is generally just worse EM6/Gauss Saw S.
@@EcchiRevenge Yes, the TMG and GD-22S both have 0.35 standing moving ADS CoF, which is a very important and often overlooked stat. I'm saying that the trio of TMG, Flare and SAW-S are nearly identical in everything. The only differences of note being: Flare has worse horizontal recoil and better vertical recoil (and no bullet drop), the TMG has better standing moving ADS CoF, better recoil recovery, and no access to extended mags, and all three differ by 15 m/s bullet velocity (following faction traits of NC fast and VS slow) and FSRM (which TMG has the best and VS the worst). Besides weapon attachment preferences, the TMG is arguably slightly better than the SAW-S and Flare because of the 0.35 CoF. The EM6 has very different stats, although it fills the same/similar role. I'm just nitpicking to be "technically" correct. You left the best comment so far.
T16 Rhino is the best IMO. Amazing recoil without a grip and the 200 round extended mags make crazy long killstreaks possible. Its like the NS-15 with bigger mags.
@@mathomesa So for the middle to long range I stick with either the T9 Carv S, T32 Bull or the Naginata. I'd expect a lot of people to rep the T16 Rhino but the Rhino is honestly outclassed by the bull since it has better damage drop off at range as well as better hip fire and aim accuracy along with a faster reload which makes it a better overall weapon for most situations. The Rhino is a weird gun to me because it's meant for long range but then comes with worse drop off at range but better damage at closer ranges where it fails due to high hip fire cof and slower rpm. Just not a good gun for its intended role. Now if a larger mag is needed the Carve S is pretty much my go to for most situations. It has worse drop off at range but better stability overall with a complimentary set of attachments that gives it the best recoil control of any gun in the arsenal. Afterwards the Naginata is great since it has the same dropoff values as the bull but it requires a little more skill to master so I'd stick with the Carv S for ease of use.
@@donterrenoalto4235 For mainly long range I default to the Bull. It has good drop off at range and because it's so easy to control I don't even bother with a forgrip. Slap on a laser sight and soft point ammo and you have a weapon that's good across all ranges. Alternatively you cat set it up for strictly long range engagements with a compensator, forgrip, and hva but I prefer the former, just depends on how good you are with recoil control.
Should do a review on something that isn't looked at really and that is the rocket launchers. Only ones that get looked at are mainly the 3 unique ones to each faction, the T2 Striker (TR) NS15 Phoenix (NC) and Lancer VS22 (VS), should do a review on the TR faction specific rocket launchers.
Watchman or carv ,Watchman since when you get good and in sync with her,she becomes one of the fastest TTK weapons in tr's lmg armory Carv because it is just Nice
Directive weapons are not covered in the series as this is more designed to help new players, and directive weapons are something new players won't be looking at for a long time. As a result, they will be more experienced and outgrow the goals of the series as a player :)
CAMIKAZE78 yes, but I’ve seen plenty who think those are impossible to get an OP, because noobs always get farmed by battlegoose heavies or Godsaws, etc... Just a review or a note to let new players know directives suck lol
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I love playing engineer and ive been debating using an ASP point to unlock a Assault Rifle or LMG, I like both, and I am about equally skilled with either so any thoughts on which to unlock are appreciated.
@@alfredchen4579 I think it is 120. Been a while since I played. An ASP point is kinda like a call of duty prestige token where you reset your level and you get the ASP point to add that extra level of customization for the next run through
I imagine the Orks of WH40k and planetmans of the TR would get along rather well. I mean, look at the list of traits they share: 1. love Dakka; 2. know there's never enough Dakka; 3. know 'dah red ones go fastah' 4. have silly vehicle designs; 5. love mass infantry deployment; 6. are born and bred soldiers; 7. make their income through violence 8. frequently get run over by their allies Hell, the green-skins might even be able to grasp of the TR's classic "Peace through superior firepower" doctrine. That or they'll just krump each other. The Orks would get a kick out of an endless war against infinitely respawning, immortal humies either way.
Why doesn’t the T9A Butcher get more credit you can easily farm with the gun anything over 30 meters you shouldnt even be using it anyway everytime you use the gun correctly getting 8+ kills per death is easy
T9 CARV imo i hate it because i auraxiumed it before it get buffed back when it had such horrible recoil now is decent and more noob friendly but has no skill ceiling like its faction counterparts MSW-R A meta gun good as Orion but no as Beteñgeuse it has better vertical recoil but worse horizontal recoil CARV-S worse CARV Rhino I auraxied before the Spa buff it is still mediocre at best Bull is underrated is easy has no recoil and crazy speed but short ammo TMG-50 is a poorsman NC lmg with huge recoil but can reward you for headshots still you have tu burst fire alot Watchman Same as TMG burst and headshot has a huge recoil but decent moving COF but for some reason sucks hipfiring Butcher is trash
Watchman is such a disappointing and misguided weapon. Such cool look, such fire rate, but you can't dakka. Medium range burst fire aiming for headshots. Sad.
EDIT: I made a slight error in regards to the remark about the damage model of the T16 Rhino/T32 Bull. The Rhino sports an improved max damage range but drops more aggressively, with the T32 Bull sporting the baseline 10m damage and dropping only one damage model over the distance. I would still consider the roles I assigned each LMG accurate, despite my slight error on the stats in the video. My apologies guys.
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T9 Carv S was enjoyable to use. Hated TMG 50... Didn't feel as good as NC 167 damage Lmg's.
MG-H1 has same hip fire as MSW, higher dps and dmg per mag than T9 Carv and fastest headshot kill time than all LMGs. Downside is at medium range and up is not so good and long reload similar to Carv and smaller ammo pool 3 mags. This is the Meta LMG for people who land headshots consistently.
I highly recommend fixing and re-uploading your video; you got T16 and T32 damage profile wrong.
@@sushizinger4530 Watchman isn't meta because reload is crippling(from empty it's 7 seconds, not even CARV's worst 5.6 can compare)
I would happily trade 50 magazine capacity for half the reload time.
@@EcchiRevenge Don't reload at empty ever...Reload with at least one round left then you got same reload as Carv
Also one note on the watchman. Im very sure that the rpm of the sound itself would fit a 500-600 rpm weapon more.
It doesnt sound at all like a dakka gun.
It sucks , smgs do more dps than the watchman
I've been playing TR since 2013. My favorite LMG's are the MSW, the TMG and the T7. Rock on TR! AOD for life!
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YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ROLLING WITH AOD TONIGHT WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF 4 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR FIFTY YEARS IN THE COMPETITIVE TIC TAC TOE SCENE IF YOU WANNA JOIN US JUST REACH OUT
ewww.... AOD...
AOD is garbage, no skill roll points with Zerg only.
The MSW-R: "When you hear people talking about the Orion, they're actually talking about this gun!"
TR trying to steal Vanu's starshine of an eyecandy smh
Me: Idk which TR LMG to pick...
Camikaze: Let's talk about TR LMGs.
Stock one of NS15.
Mate clearly we are just on the same wavelength here ;)
@@CAMIKAZE78 I mean it, this video was just on time. Appreciate your work, keep it up :)
Well i cant pick too, only if butcher gets its SPA back i would use that for sure, but it deserves more than Just a SPA, maybe a faster reload, or tolerance moved to 0.8 like betel so it doesnt shoot random
Honestly the butcher is my favorite of the faction directive lmg’s. As much as I love the betel, it just isn’t as dominant in cqc as my round spewing head chewer that is the butcher. I’ve leveled a full squad of gobs by good maneuvering in a triple stack before they could even know I was there thanks to the butcher, and god knows that I’m not that good at the game.
honestly the base LMG is great, its my main LMG and ive played a fair bit with everyother one. easily my fav LMG due to how well you can control it and how fast it melts people.
The CARV in my opinion doesn't get anywhere near as much credit as I think it is due, such an awesome weapon in the grand scheme of things!
The CARV isn’t bad but coming fresh off of VS heavy was UNBELIEVABLY jarring.
Starts blooming really fucking fast and the recoil is a little wack but if you can control it, it slings lead like a monster.
Sorry but I couldn’t hear any part of the video I only hear DAKKA
I was listening closely, he was clearly saying "Dakka, Dakka Dakka, Dakka, Dakka Dakka."
Since movement is key to most engagements- once you've learned how to burst fire your weapon correctly. The best option to do with TR LMG's is to put a lasersight on them (I wouldn't put one on the TMG-50 though)
LMG's biggest weakness besides their long reloads is the hipfire. Which is why you can often find yourself be out-danced by an assault rifle or carbine because they can maintain an accurate hipfire at a longer range than you can. So being able to atleast mitigate that with a lasersight is the go to option.
There is also the fact that LMG's have a very slow equip time and foregrips only extend that time- laser sights do not.
No, you probably shouldn't be putting a laser on anything that's not the MSW-R. The LMGs have too much horizontal recoil to not equip a foregrip.
@@Telogor Nothing that can't be overcome with bursting imo
@@LordCommissarDrac bursting doesn't stop horizontal recoil from making you miss half your shots. It's not that the recoil is just strong. It's inconsistent, and a foregrip tames the inconsistency. Additionally, the base hipfire is so bad that a laser sight doesn't help.
As an NC main auraxed all NC lmgs, I tried out all TR lmgs and I honestly loved the T9 carv, it's very good for a default weapon.
I’ve used the CARV so much it feels like an extension of my hand. Just so familiar for me lol
just got my hand on the msw-r yesterday, had a blast with it, and this video explains why i like it pretty well. Defenitely interested in trying out the tmg-50 as well.
Both awesome weapons mate, very much appreciate it!
TMG-50 is basically a waste of certs when you can just buy T32 instead.
If you do headshot exclusively(not that you would; but it's something to strive for, and often are forced into as mana turret/headglitching enemy exists) it's the same 4 shot kill outside the 8m range at with 167 damage with HVA can 3 shot headshot(it wasn't a competitive hs ttk anyway) due to identical 125 minimum damage.
It could really use a buff to max damage range(like T16, not that T16 is any good when you can...as usual...just get the T32) if it's to stay competitive.
Quite sad really, it sounds good and looks good with its newer unique model. But the performance just isn't quite there. (pay attention to TMG-50's horizontal recoil intensity and tolerance to see why - it's one of few weapons with the worst trait in game of being able to jump 3 times horizontally in same direction consecutively).
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I hope you didn't buy it yet. If you haven't auraxed every other LMG, just get those(hell, even Rhino has a decent place with 20m max damage range).
I really like Bull to be honest. HVA, compensator and forward grip + optic of choice can mow down planetmans at ridiculous ranges. I mean seriously, I can outsnipe a sniper with this thing.
*LOVE* the watchman, been a TR main since planetside 1 back in 2003 :P
MSW-R is the best TR LMG. No refuting that. But I do have a soft for the 50. Hits lime a truck and reminds me of the NC nd their awesome LMGs
The TMG-50 is a weapon I often find myself going back to over and over again.
I personally hate th MSW-R but im also on PS4 and despite 1700 hours on TR am still quite terrible and can't gain the ipper hand in close quarters most of the time
Idk if its sad or cool but 2 days ago I heard Camikaze on command chat and was like wait I'm watcing a vid that's actually him 😂
Yeah I was jumping in command chat a couple of days ago, was fun rolling with the TR for the making of the video!
@@CAMIKAZE78 love ya and the channel man
Great video as always. Would love to see you cover TR Carbines relatively soon--We have a lot more signatory Carbines than we do LMGs, I feel.
T16 Rhino and T32 Bull differ actually more than you would think and the TMG 50 is a medium distance weapon at best.
Curious as to how you differ the T16 Rhino and T32 Bull? Overall they follow pretty similar architypes (excluding attachments/mag sizes. Attachments for me more about augmenting the base weapon hence why I still put them as similar in design). The TMG-50 though does have the better damage drop off range and the same minimum damage output as all other LMGs (125, excluding the Watchman), so would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on that too.
As always, appreciate the feedback mate!
@@CAMIKAZE78 The T16 Rhino and T32 Bull used to be very similar until the great LMG rebalance. The T16 Rhino, with its better maximum damage range, up to 200 magazine capacity and 500 ammo pool is now a dedicated point-hold weapon. The T32 Bull however, is not. With its best-in-class recoil, bullet speed and damage drop-off, it's a dedicated mid to long range LMG. The TMG 50 fails in that role because it vertical kicks like mule, which becomes problematic at long ranges. It's a weapon for tap fire headshot try-hards but it doesn't fulfill any specific tactical role in the TR arsenal.
TMG's failure isn't even vertical recoil.
It's the fact that it has the "TR faction trait" of 3 kicks in same direction horizontally.
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If theres trusting planetside wiki, rhino has max CoF of 1.2 degrees. Even though not officially being cq weapon, i've witnessed many situtations when upon falling or recovering from bad movemement you need to take the shot. Instead of the fire missing from all sides, the max CoF enables the pattern remain relatively tight.
with how hva ammo works now, rhino and tmg hold their damage at pretty long ranges. rhino and its other faction twins start dropping off at 20 meters which is pretty unique vs other full auto primary weapons.
Keep in mind I play on ps4 so this might influence how you see my opinion.
TLDR: Watchman is a trash version of the promise NC lmg.
I play TR with the TMG, T-16, and the watchman (mainly). My favorite being the TMG for it's rewarding damage, moderate fire rate, ample drum size, its speedy reload and accurate cone of fire. The rhino is situational for point defense being a great bullet hose with a drum that fits the TR's development stereotype.
The watchman is a abomination, a waste of time to someone without fine aiming control (for you mouse players).
Here are my problems with it: Low drum size/ fire rate ratio... with a seven second reload, you can almost empty the drum faster then you can reload. Basically you reload the gun more then you fire it in intense combat.
It has similar DPS to the carv, but the carv is preferable in almost every way... drum cap, damage model, accuracy, range, COF, reload time, attachments that don't hinder mag cap (WTF IMPACT AMMO).
If you're on console, don't bother unless you need the butcher, and even then any other LMG is a better alternative.
How would I fix this?
~1000 rpm, lower but more reliable damage model (impact ammo buff with no mag downside), double the drum cap and keep the falloff/ reload speed. Maybe even tighten up the COF spread a bit.
I don't see this as unreasonable considering the promise is literally a NC carv but with a bigger box mag the the watchman and carv LOL.
Yea ever since the promise was released I've been using it over the GODSAW xD
I agree with that. I only have the watchmen just because it's our faction specific weapon for our heavy, it's not bad but definitely lacking in a few aspects I feel.
I can see how that would be true on console. I am surprised however that you do not use the MSWR as, personally it is the best TR LMG.
You forgot the t7 mini chain gun
In game, the mini chaingun isn't technically a LMG. It counts as a "heavy weapon", There's one for each faction (TR= mini chaingun, NC= jackhammer, VS= lasher and NSO= thumper) I hope this clears any confusion, as the difference isn't immediately obvious.
@@oddnerd7278 does he has a video about those?
@@therealkian3421 Yes, there's a weapon reveiw for each apart from the lasher. The Thumper is the only recent one though.
@@oddnerd7278 a updated one?
@@therealkian3421 I'm not sure about updated, the most recent one I could find was 2 years ago.
SLAMS TABLE DRAMATICALLY!!!! THE TMG-50 IS GODS GREATEST GIFT ON AURAXIS AND YOU CANT CHANGE MY MIND!!!!
Anybody here who understands why the TMG-50 drops down to 125 at lowest damage tier? I recall the matching LMGs for the other factions not having such a high damage drop off. Favourite goes to T-32 Bull, though. Nice Video!
"Space heretics"
I think you mean "xeno skum"
T32 Bull is the best in my eyes.
with right attetchments you can go for short and longrange.
The watchmen is a freaking Lazer with the forward grip. Pretty much every time I click my mouse I am almost garunteed a kill
TR LMG's seem to be very situational. MSW-R is great, but has a limited ammo pool and with a magazine size of only 50, you'll find yourself overwhelmed quickly if you're trying to stand your ground. Watchman is great in close quarters, it has a wicked dropoff making you wonder if you're shooting nerf balls at targets down range. The Bull, great for an assault/breeching role due to it's quick reload. But, due to the slow fire rate you'll find it lacking in almost any other scenario. The Rhino is great for suppression due to the extended mag boosting it to 200 rounds. But, the slow fire means you have a limited damage output for engagements where you need to drop multiple targets quickly. Only one that's average across all scenarios is the T9-Carv, it's sturdy and reliable, but doesn't really stand out in any particular way.
You mentioned the max a while back. When will you revisit? You said we'd get more news soon and I don't believe we ever did. Maybe I missed it.
We will be getting around to it eventually, it's just one of those things I never got around to! Will happen soon I hope :)
4:24
"Identical Damage Models"
So we're just going to ignore the fact that T16 has long max damage range and T32 drops only one tier?
TMG-50 is basically a worse GD-22S(worse hipfire, 50% more magazine for ~86% more reload time, also more recoil) while it has same minimum damage as T32(generally more effective as TMG-50 gets shit on by Nanoweave at times, also has decent hipfire for a LMG).
CARV-S is actually surprisingly decent with suppressor, HVA, extended mag, and 1x of choice. It has more stability over standard T9 CARV(even with grip) because it only jumps maximum of twice in a row to one side instead of T9 CARV's insane 3 times(vast majority of LMG if not all of the rest of lmg only jump twice in one direction).
T16 and T32 would be made viable if they swapped base horizontal recoil characteristics & availability of advanced forward grip (so T16 with extended mag/no foregrip would be viable while T32 would have a tiny bit better horizontal recoil when using afg).
Watchman has a crippling reload speed despite the fact that every other "lower caliber" TR weapon(125max damage) generally have faster reload speed than their 143 damage counterparts. Other stats are...okay(surprisingly decent at mid range ADS on the move when using Impact Ammo, except it lowers mag size and cause more reloads), really bad stationary ADS COF made up for by best in class moving COF(unfortunately, same 0.05 bloom makes it a lot less useful). It mostly just looks good in a WW1 watercooled-barrel sort of way. Hipfire with laser + softpoint is workable as well due to forgiving ROF(hipfire bloom needs to be toned down). At least its recoil characteristics is surprisingly decent unlike T9 CARV.
A lot of people think MSW-R is god gun but really it's meh compared to what VS gets. Yes it has advanced laser sight for acceptable LMG hipfire, but good players ADS for headshots even at close range so foregrip is standard; in panic-firing range the VS Orion/Betelgeuse actually has better hipfire(base hipfire stats are better; but no advanced laser sight). Orion/Betelgeuse also has lower recoil overall(lower vertical, tiny bit lower horizontal, less recoil angle; difference in horizontal tolerance actually doesn't make a difference as two shots to either side with both weapons exceeds the tolerance), plus lower bloom(0.04 instead of 0.05 for most 143 damage weapons).
VS also gets cleanest 1x/2x sights vs TR and NC's thick sight housing.
No comparison in directive weapons either; Butcher lacks the gimmicks(very useful ones in VS's case; refinement of default gun in NC's case) of other two factions.
Hence I only bothered to Aurax T9 CARV because I couldn't decide on what else to aurax...they all kinda suck, but at least CARV is free.
He really glossed over the finer quirks and nuances of the LMG lineup, especially the Bull and Rhino, so much so that I would say his "review" is factually incorrect and misrepresents each weapon, and how they function. Just like in his assault rifle video, he doesn't really understand how TR weapons work, or the best way to utilize them.
The TMG-50 is not like the GD-22S as much as it is the SAW-S. The NC6S SAW-S, the Flare VE6, and the TMG-50 are all nearly identical in stats.
@@wagonranger7388 It is "like" GD-22S in that it has 0.35 ads moving cof. But it doesn't have rest of the advantages of a more portable 167 damage LMG, and rest of stats (not counting 0.35) is generally just worse EM6/Gauss Saw S.
@@EcchiRevenge Yes, the TMG and GD-22S both have 0.35 standing moving ADS CoF, which is a very important and often overlooked stat. I'm saying that the trio of TMG, Flare and SAW-S are nearly identical in everything. The only differences of note being: Flare has worse horizontal recoil and better vertical recoil (and no bullet drop), the TMG has better standing moving ADS CoF, better recoil recovery, and no access to extended mags, and all three differ by 15 m/s bullet velocity (following faction traits of NC fast and VS slow) and FSRM (which TMG has the best and VS the worst). Besides weapon attachment preferences, the TMG is arguably slightly better than the SAW-S and Flare because of the 0.35 CoF. The EM6 has very different stats, although it fills the same/similar role.
I'm just nitpicking to be "technically" correct. You left the best comment so far.
TBH all of TR auraxium weapons feel underwhelming compared to other factions.
Though I love them all respectively, my absolute favorite LMG is the TMG-50. Followed closely by the T9 CARV-S, and the Watchman.
T16 Rhino is the best IMO. Amazing recoil without a grip and the 200 round extended mags make crazy long killstreaks possible. Its like the NS-15 with bigger mags.
And a more comfortable sound and recoil pattern
What about those pistols though.
Everyone has one ^^
Maybe one of these days :) Gotta get through the primary weapons first!
@@CAMIKAZE78 B-But...its not the size that matters :)
@@Waldherz He's an NC main. Size always matters.
How did you comment 19hours ago when this was posted 20 mins ago?!?!?
@@manbuckett3460 TR magic my friend. TR magic.
I already auraxed them all. If ya'll want any recommendations lemme know. Great vid as always Cami
whats the best one for middle long range assault
What is the best one for long range battles?
@@mathomesa So for the middle to long range I stick with either the T9 Carv S, T32 Bull or the Naginata. I'd expect a lot of people to rep the T16 Rhino but the Rhino is honestly outclassed by the bull since it has better damage drop off at range as well as better hip fire and aim accuracy along with a faster reload which makes it a better overall weapon for most situations. The Rhino is a weird gun to me because it's meant for long range but then comes with worse drop off at range but better damage at closer ranges where it fails due to high hip fire cof and slower rpm. Just not a good gun for its intended role. Now if a larger mag is needed the Carve S is pretty much my go to for most situations. It has worse drop off at range but better stability overall with a complimentary set of attachments that gives it the best recoil control of any gun in the arsenal. Afterwards the Naginata is great since it has the same dropoff values as the bull but it requires a little more skill to master so I'd stick with the Carv S for ease of use.
@@donterrenoalto4235 For mainly long range I default to the Bull. It has good drop off at range and because it's so easy to control I don't even bother with a forgrip. Slap on a laser sight and soft point ammo and you have a weapon that's good across all ranges. Alternatively you cat set it up for strictly long range engagements with a compensator, forgrip, and hva but I prefer the former, just depends on how good you are with recoil control.
@@donterrenoalto4235 tmg 50 my personal favourite
@CAMIKAZE78 why fidnt you review the butcher is it because its a directive weapon?
Should do a review on something that isn't looked at really and that is the rocket launchers. Only ones that get looked at are mainly the 3 unique ones to each faction, the T2 Striker (TR) NS15 Phoenix (NC) and Lancer VS22 (VS), should do a review on the TR faction specific rocket launchers.
Me useing blackjack:
him talking about LMGS
Someone could have a coffee break in that reload time.....couldn't be more painful to use
Watchman or carv ,Watchman since when you get good and in sync with her,she becomes one of the fastest TTK weapons in tr's lmg armory
Carv because it is just Nice
I feel you should include directives in this, because many people aren’t aware of the attachements and new players aren’t aware of how bad they are
Directive weapons are not covered in the series as this is more designed to help new players, and directive weapons are something new players won't be looking at for a long time. As a result, they will be more experienced and outgrow the goals of the series as a player :)
CAMIKAZE78 yes, but I’ve seen plenty who think those are impossible to get an OP, because noobs always get farmed by battlegoose heavies or Godsaws, etc...
Just a review or a note to let new players know directives suck lol
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA
MG-H1 WATCHMAN Is my favorite LMG. Always has been. Its all dakka. And thats what I want DAKKA
let me tell you this, CHAINGUN! thats all there is to it, you dont need anything els then the CHAINGUN!
Im relief that i auraxiumed all of them including the butcher
Thanks Cami ! Small ,ôté on the montage, the flashy white transition between scenes/weapons is a bit too harsh to my eyes. Great video anyway !
Slug shotguns!
The Rhino functions better at longe range than the TMG-50 tbh
My top 3 favs
T32 Bull
T16 Rhino
T9 Carv
I'm terrified to see how smooth the gameplay is, am I playing a different game?
You forgot to talk about the NS - 15M2
fantastic video
What's the exact FOV in this video? Looks like... ~90?
I'm not saying there's an agenda against TR, but if the T16 and T32 were the other faction, they'd have the 167 damage model
Definitely feel the TR is at a disadvantage.
The VS guns have no recoil, and the NC punch harder.
But the TR consistently wins... better team play
@@Robert53areaAmen. 😎
Lol which server does the TR wins? Not Emerald sadly 😢@Robert53area
I love playing engineer and ive been debating using an ASP point to unlock a Assault Rifle or LMG, I like both, and I am about equally skilled with either so any thoughts on which to unlock are appreciated.
What is the level you can use ASP? Do we have it once we hit that level?
@@alfredchen4579 I think it is 120. Been a while since I played. An ASP point is kinda like a call of duty prestige token where you reset your level and you get the ASP point to add that extra level of customization for the next run through
VS carbines!
Dakka Dakka Dakka my Ork Boyz!!!
idk who will see this but is it even worth picking up or using the bull or rhino vs the naginata (i already own the naginata love it)
r u doing some for the vs?
How did you expand your ingame FoV?
can you please talk about the best TR light assault weapons?
Thank you
T32 bull is so good
"Identical damage models" on the T16 and T32 isn't quite accurate. The T16 has 20 m of max damage range, while the T32 has the normal 10 m.
I have just gone and had a look and realized that mistake, that is my apologies! Have put a correction in the comments section now :)
Dakka 1, dakka 2, less dakka, DAKKA, more dakka
can't wait for the VS
Give us the disco boys >:(
Imo watchman is in the top 3 best lmg's on TR
No it's not lol
@@JACKAL98 nah it really is
@@JACKAL98 good skill weapon easy too control its a better than the chaingun
@@Indianmurph for you maybe but I'm pretty sure half of tr population doesn't like it haha
@@JACKAL98 you say that yet i see a lot of people useing it
oooooooooooooo u did make a vid thanks chief
thanks for the great vid, cami! Definitely gonna reference this once i start leveling my TR alt.
I hear you using the term "dakka" a lot. Have you ever thought about doing Warhammer 40k content?
I imagine the Orks of WH40k and planetmans of the TR would get along rather well. I mean, look at the list of traits they share:
1. love Dakka;
2. know there's never enough Dakka;
3. know 'dah red ones go fastah'
4. have silly vehicle designs;
5. love mass infantry deployment;
6. are born and bred soldiers;
7. make their income through violence
8. frequently get run over by their allies
Hell, the green-skins might even be able to grasp of the TR's classic "Peace through superior firepower" doctrine.
That or they'll just krump each other. The Orks would get a kick out of an endless war against infinitely respawning, immortal humies either way.
''We haven't covered any Vanu Sovereignty weapons yet''
That.. that's a mistake or a joke?
Why doesn’t the T9A Butcher get more credit you can easily farm with the gun anything over 30 meters you shouldnt even be using it anyway everytime you use the gun correctly getting 8+ kills per death is easy
Damn Chainguns annoy the f outta me
When Vanu guns?:(
Msw-r all the way
My favorite TR LMG is the one lying on the ground after being dropped by the guy I just shot.
Sorry TR, I'm VS for life B)
Vanu Might!
I stoped playing because my laptop is only 6gb ram 😭😭
T9 CARV imo i hate it because i auraxiumed it before it get buffed back when it had such horrible recoil now is decent and more noob friendly but has no skill ceiling like its faction counterparts
MSW-R A meta gun good as Orion but no as Beteñgeuse it has better vertical recoil but worse horizontal recoil
CARV-S worse CARV
Rhino I auraxied before the Spa buff it is still mediocre at best
Bull is underrated is easy has no recoil and crazy speed but short ammo
TMG-50 is a poorsman NC lmg with huge recoil but can reward you for headshots still you have tu burst fire alot
Watchman Same as TMG burst and headshot has a huge recoil but decent moving COF but for some reason sucks hipfiring
Butcher is trash
No butcher ?
Or chaingun
Directive weapons aren't covered in this series
Watchman is such a disappointing and misguided weapon. Such cool look, such fire rate, but you can't dakka. Medium range burst fire aiming for headshots. Sad.