The Horrible Suffering of Male KPOP Idols in the Military
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- military enlistment is becoming a hot topic amongst kpop fans lately. from the invasion of privacy to being used by their superiors, keep watching to find out all about the tragic life of male idols in the military - bts, super junior, shinee, and others! subscribe to kookielit for more kpop news.
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Having no privacy while showering is disgusting. edit: guys i did NOT mean that sharing a shower room is a bad thing i meant that people watching you while showering is disgusting
It’s the military what do you expect, single room with private bathroom? The problem are those wierdos taking pictures. And the problem it’s not showing with other people but those being fucking wierd.
It's a common practice, I went to college and was in hospital were I had to share the shower with others. Usually It's not so big deal if people don't watch each other or making photos and videos.
@@ridita5221 That is what i meant
Naaah communal shower/bath in Asia is a common thing, the thing is the people who used that occasion to doing something bad was really disrespectful for anyone privacy, there's a story about celeb who got his picture leaked not in military communal bath as well, people just need to respect other privacy.
@@yokhawanha You misunderstood i know that it is a common thing not just in Asia
Taking hidden photos of others whether male or female is really wrong. South Korea has got to step up their laws/consequences for offenders. It's really not ok.
Yes, I agree with you Toki. Perpetrators should be punished and publicised so they get a taste of the shame they have put others under.
Totally
@@annebenitez2340 and us fans who follow them can be a big part of finding out if they are being treated right.
Taemin has been in the industry since he was eleven years old, he is an introvert guy which makes it difficult for him to socialize easily, he suffered bullying at school for that reason, he has been a child overprotected by his hyungs not only from SHINee but from SM. All this has played against him in the military.
@Jumi Comfort I don't know where you're from, but for sure you aren't from Korea. You needs to study a little of the history of Korea to be able to judge. South Korea is currently in a suspended war with North Korea, North Korea constantly threatens them with nuclear bombs, the border is protected by American troops to prevent any attack. That is why korean citizens have to be militarily prepared to defend their country at any time. What South Korea has suffered throughout its history to be a free country we have not suffered, so wanting to tell them how to run their country is a bit daring.
@Jumi Comfort "young men being abused and sexually harassed in the military"I think you're exaggerating, in South Korea there is more respect, I think they look at them in the showers to make fun of them or make jokes. Anyway, it's wrong, but it's more like bullying and not sexual abuse.
I think making fun of someone naked in the shower male or female is abusive in a sexual manner, more than just bullying- it is acting on power while that person is exposed & vulnerable in every way - that’s abuse.
@@lafemmesue7273 I don't think it's sexual abuse because these guys are not sexually motivated. They just watch out of curiosity, out of envy or to annoy the idol. Well, but if there is someone who is homosexual, then perhaps that stalking could have a sexual motivation and could be called sexual abuse.
@@AliPop I think we’ll just have to disagree, we are quibbling over semantics now. I’m looking from the victims pov & you are looking from the perpetrators. If this happened to me (believe me no one would want to take such photos of me) I would feel abused in a sexual manner, it would affect me in all the same ways as if the camera operator was experiencing gratification. By what was described it sounds as if the photos would most likely be sold & distributed to many unknown cretins & some would be used in a sexual manner. Whatever it is classified as the crime needs to be seriously punished.
I mean Taemin is the perfect example of why they have to give an alternative to military enlistment for everyone! Simply put, in Korea, abuse of power, sexual harassment in the military is so common that some people cannot adjust to this military life.
That's why many leave the army traumatized😢
Ikr..there is alot of sexual harassment and its not acknowledged
@@YumiVanherck stop being dramatic. 🙄
@@YumiVanherckwhat a weird and disgusting way to express your thoughts
shinee members said that he's doing very good, he's a public service worker now, not a military band member, so he goes home every night. and he's practicing dancing when he has free time
@@universe986 I don't know what's disgusting about this? Could you please elaborate?
@@YumiVanherck 'i'm worried that he might take his own life'
do you really not understand that it's a very bad words to say in a situation like this? instead of wishing him the best, you almost hope for the worst. it doesn't help a person who is struggling and might read/hear your words at all. I've been in a situation like this, when people almost waited for me to end my life while just 'worrying' about me. it's a very ignorant behaviour
I feel so bad that there is nothing we could do to help these idols. I constantly get worried about how they were treated in the military. Leeteuk and Taemin’s situations broke my heart. Who in their right mind would want to mistreat these angels. They’ve been through so much and some of these soldiers and people are literally disrespectful.
The sad thing: it's quite common for this to happen in the military all around the globe. No matter if they are famous or not. It's truly heartbreaking.
What happened to leeteuk? Besides his father grandparents thing
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bruh just remember kookie lit is literally known for being one of the largest spreaders of fake-news and speculation as if theyre fact, on youtube.... the amount of times shes been exposed for pushing rumors and being extreamly biased against companies and on the side of idols in every situation, while fully knowing well that nobody knows the full story, only shows the naive levels of judgement from her. even with this video the speculation levels are very high, with absolutely nothing confirmed and taking small bits of words out of context is extreamly shady and just goes to show her level of desperate need for youtube attention and clicks, lesson is: don't believe everything youre told, ecspecially when so many stories have uno-reverse cards shown not that long after lol
The situation needs to change for ALL serving. I am sure it is widespread no matter who you are. It is just more in their face so to speak if they are famous. There needs to be strict punishments that are actually enforced for any caught doing these types of things.
The military in a lot of countries honestly needs reform. Lots of criminal stuff is being done there and people are just getting away with it. My heart goes out to the victims.
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My heart breaks for how they are treated. Taemin has endured so much already and being such an introverted person to be targeted is just so wrong 😔
He had to deal with being sexualized all his career which was bad enough, but as soon as he gets out of the spotlight, it gets much much worse...
His members said he is doing better now, and he has some more peace after they moved him. They can also see him more now, which is something he absolutely needs. I hope he has some time to do what he loves too.
My heart goes out to you, Taemin, we can't wait to see you at the end of the year!
I don't really blame them for leaving the military training. I mean no privacy whilst having a shower is sad and sickening at the same time. This is literally considered illegal in some countries. We really need to show love and support for these idols. They went through training to become a K-Pop idols, from life-threatening diets to overworking themselves and even passing out on stages. I just don't understand. The laws in Korea really needs to change ASAP
But training as an idol wasn't that their choice? Its no secret that idols go through some crazy shit while training, debuting etc? Sound like they acceptable a consequence of being famous. Military is a military.. sucks but sounds more like the Military needs to change not because of the idols but because Militarys dont treat soldiers well..? idk..
the laws are good people like guards just don't follow the 'law' and they don't care what the law says.. everyone there abuses each other and sexually harass each other its horrible
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@@Krobra91 it’s not like they just leave dude i’m sure “normal” citizens can do it too 🧍🏻
They dont treat people well cause they want them to be as cruel as them when war breaks out
this is honestly disgusting and there should be laws against this abuse
there is
Oh thank goodness
@@lia.isjusbetter True there are laws, however laws are worse than useless if they are not enforced.
I’m not a BTS fan, but considering they will be enlisting soon, I’m genuinely sorry and concerned for them. Their level of stardom is going to make them horrible targets
I’m sure the military will have something in place because it is the military name on the line too as well as the government if anything untoward happens.
@@CarpeDiem-ky1mv If something happens it will be covered up and the member(s) in question will be forced to stay quiet about the incident, this is Korea not the USA.
I just hope they all go in and come out alive and unharmed with as little emotional trauma as possible. No one deserves to go into the military and be mistreated, but it seems Idols have more to deal with than others.
As someone who has studied this extensively, I disagree. Fame protects idols from being physically harmed in the sk military. The men who experience the worst suffering are young men who aren't famous.
This is disgusting for Taemin. No wonder idols get depression and anxiety. Things need to change in Korea. Hope things get better for Taemin and other idols that are in the military.
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I agree
It’s been confirmed BTS are going military oh my god I hope nothing like this happens to them
yeah I'm worried
I worried for bts... i just hope miracle will happen that they will be exempted not only for army, also for bts mental health... i keep on praying for their exemption....
I really don’t think anyone would dare to do these things considering how big BTS is and how much of a influence they have like idk BTS will still be able to promote so I feel like they will barely be there and if it does Hybe will take legal action or Yoongi will just sue them
miss Taemin a lot😭 hope he's ok and comeback safe. Wish him all the best.
Same
Even before enlisting Taemin seemed really worried about it, always telling us to no cheat on him, even if it can look like a joke he was actually worried about what was going to happen with him and his career. There are rumours that the male soldiers were actually very curious about Taemin showering because according to people he has a "femenine" body, it's really disgusting and sad to think about what else could have happened to him while he was on the base. And I also think if other members went through something like that how they could endure. I hope that Taemin is doing good, his service is almost over so I hope that can give him strength.
Thats why I think group members should be allowed to enlist together that way they can all be together and can take care of each other and no one would be lonely🙁
@@BELIEVER78989 the thing here is that not all members will be willing going to the same area in the army, yes it can help a little but also the fact that the whole group is inactive is not good for companies that at the end of the day they are mostly interested in money. But maybe in some cases it could work.
@@venezia_ thats true, the companies only care about money🙁
yes it's disgusting i also heard about it some people say he looks like a girl because of his small waist I just hope nothing too traumarizing happened and that he can get off time to rest and heal after all of this is over! korea's mendatory military service is really ruining the men's mental I just wish it will end
음... 오해가 많은 말입니다
영어가 미숙해서 미안합니다
저는 한국의 군인이고 11년동안 근무하면서 여러 사람을 만났습니다
하지만 같은 남자를 여성적으로 바라보는 사람은 없었습니다
동성애자는 종류가 있고 그중 같은 남성을 여성적으로 보는 사람은 군입대가 불가능합니다
연예인들의 군입대와 마찬가지로 모든 한국의 건강한 남성들은 군입대를 싫어합니다 자유를 빼앗기니까요
하지만 샤워실 등의 공동사용은 단지 공간과 시간, 예산의 절약을 위해 필요합니다. 솔직히 수많은 남자군인들과 샤워를 하지만 아무감정도 느끼지 않습니다. 한국의 많은 군인들이 여성스럽다고 생각하는 남자에 대해 성적문제를 일으키는 범죄자로 생각하지 마세요 그것은 나라를 지키기 위해 젊은 나이에 시간을 소모하는 군인들에게 매우 무례한 말입니다
I feel so sorry for all these kind, and hard working celebs. They work really hard but still, people don't respect them on how they should be. Taemin, Baekhyun,G-Dragon and the rest of the celebs who are being treated like this, I feel extremely sorry for you. I just hope they come out safely from military quickly
Exo fighting!
The military is not a death sentence and all of their issues are not just because of the military.
@thvmin 🌿Well, he has a type of sickness, and had to do some extra training before joining military for his safety.
This is horrifying omg and with BTS announcing the military enlistment I'm terrified for what they will go through
Same…
How my heart sank for taemin..he was already anxious about military and this happened to him .... I wish him all the good things....
I really feel bad. No matter how famous they are or not, it should not be forgotten that they are still human
Taemin, Baekhyu and others don't deserve to be treated like this not because they are famous but because they are human like us.
The GD case was so ugly. Imagine having to have the Ministry of National Defense speak up on it, in defense of GD, not once, but TWICE, cause the media was not accepting the fact that GD did nothing wrong.
The media can't accept that neither GD, BB or YGA did nothing wrong lol
The media always wants to tear down K-pop idols
@@everythingsfinett3903 The more successful, the more they want to see their downfall.
I think when it comes to idol’s mental health I am over protective of SHINee members. They have been through so much together in private & in the public eye for them to still receive no grace is crazy. No one should be mistreated and have their privacy breached but I think hearing it’s happening to Taemin makes me see red. He was already so over-sexualized before he enlisted (& before he was of legal age unfortunately) he’s been dealing with stares from predatory men for years. I’ll be happy once his service is completed and he can take some time away to himself. He deserves to relax and enjoy everything he’s earned for himself in peace.
What Taemin goes through, putting on that beautiful smile of his breaks my heart too. So many of his contemporise have suffered so badly, their Companies must together ensure their safety, happiness & well being. Sadly I think down to The Army alone, which must be more appropriate for each individual, especially as it does not prevent the abuse on their turf. Exploitation is not acceptable in any walk of life. That goes for the young girls & boys exploited by certain Companies too! Ugly & shameful.
Poor Taemin & the others who suffer the same I hope their time goes less painfully & on return a break helps them heal. But also hope they know, they will always be loved by loyal fans.
Unfortunately I don't think he could rest because I recently saw an announcement of the comeback of superM and SM must surely have already planned a lot of things to do with Shinee as they could not "make him work" for two years...
No matter what SM boys selected being in military as a person in Korea. Actually these stories are creepy but we have to admire their courage
In SK as in many other countrys it is not a choice, at a certain age males must enlist for required military service, if not they go to jail...Some countries women even must enlist, I know Israel is one of them..
The military is mandatory unless you have a bad health condition. The military is not heaven but is not some death sentence either. I find it sad that people think the military is the only cause of all these problems.
It's mandatory, and if you can't do it for physical reasons, then you get put into community service for 18 months, like Heechul from Super Junior.
If I was a male in Korea and was interested in be a Idol or a actor I would do what Park Seo Joon did and enlist in the military as soon as I turned 18 before to get it over and done with. You would not need to worry about this sort of suff or worry about stopping your career when your doing well.
I would imagine abuse would be even worse towards younger men in the military :(
That's what I always thought...
Why not do it ONCE you turn 18?
i am disgusted, disturbed, scared and sorry for all that happened to these idols. these soldiers, physicians etc should get punished for the shit they did is illegal, selling/leaking pictures of the idols? selling private information? ILLEGAL...
These really worry me for all the male idols, especially when my ult group seventeen ig going soon 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Yes me too 🥺
Can i ask something?? Since the 95 line are going next year, is shua going with scoups and jeonghan or not? I’ve seen some people saying he wouldn’t go since he was living in LA for years and others saying he would since he is fully korean?? So is he going??
Also vernon, I don’t think he is going right? Since he is only half korean and he also been living in NYC for a long time
@@mlkmhmd4561 Joshua can go if he apply but the military service in his case is not mandatory.
Vernon will have to go.
@@mlkmhmd4561 ok as far as i know ... for nale korean who have multiple nationalities they can choose weather they want to serve or not from what i read on reddit and other articles so far but anyone who is more knowledgeble regarding these issues can polietly correct me if im wrong ... but for josh if he chooses to enlist then he will enlist the same year with wonwoo, hoshi and woozi since he was born at the end of the year ... vernon also has the choice since he is half korean but in all seriousness, i hope all the members stay safe duirng the enlistment and i know all the carats will be by their side when they return as 13 members once again
@@o_o5289 Vernon has a dual citizenship but chose Korean citizenship, which means he has to go. I don’t know if Joshua has both or just one, but if he has both and chooses the American citizenship over his Korean, there is a big chance of him being “shunned” by Koreans. There was an idol who came from California back in 90s I believe, he was huge, but military service came and his was talking about how he was going to do it but when the time came, he chose his American citizenship over it and was blacklisted from everything. He was even banned from entering the county until 17 years later. And korea made a law about this named after him, don’t remember what all that law entails. But there is a slight possibility of something like happening to Joshua 🤷🏻♀️
You know what I hate about most fans or netizens in Korea. If a celebrity decides to fight back and sue anyone who invade their privacy or if they ask them to stop. The celebrities gets villianized and bashed for being ungrateful. The public and fans needs to understand that celebrities are humans and every human deserves privacy. Why would you take a pic of someone showering so you can leak it online? The audacity of these people, honestly I would sue all of them and not care about public opinion
I Feel so freaking bad for These idols or any other men Who were abused in the military, Sexually or physically. The main fact is SA against Men is very rarely talked about among people.
SA is just enjoying to turture it's people no matter what , in the 80s they still had dictators who slaved and killed peolpe and never got what he deserved he past recently
What is SA??
Edit: oh thnx I get it now but I don't know why are the replies hidden
@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 SA = SEXUAL ASSAULT
@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 sexual assault
@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 sexual assault
Taemin is my bias I have no words for what he went through. Also, the embarrassment of his personal struggles released to the public. This is wrong. No k pop star or actor is safe in the military.
U just killed me by puting baekhyunee's photo on the cover
@gemini_ewe yeah. Alot of fans will now be worried about their idols who are enlisting soon.
@gemini_ewe i think kai would go into supplementary because of his really bad eyesight
Thank you for posting this.
One has to question the mental health of those soldiers and military brass who stalk and abuse these men. Who in their right mind would post such things online about another and not realize how hurtful it is? That the military doesn't take action again against those who abuse the idols escapes me. These men are supposedly making Korea proud. Why disparage them this way? Try being a good human and protect them.
It's disgraceful. And so utterly selfish.
Ikr.
as a taemin (and baekhyun) ult this breaks my heart, I really do miss him and hope he is okay, just a few more months to go :')
Good save my Jin oppa😢😢😢
Taemins case is so heart breaking...why stare at him as if he isn't a normal person....I bet there treated differently bse they don't see them as fellow guys who are simply serving there country as a duty....this could be traumatizing ....
Sexual harassment is military is rampant, not just from the same rank, but more from the CO. I seriously worry about male idols’ mental and physical health during the enlistment time. The privacy invasion, potential blackmailing, and abuse are mostly true.
I really wished that Idols didn't have to serve in the military just like athletes.
I'm worried about what BTS will be going through in there. 😢😭 our seven precious boys! 😭
I hope this never happens to them!
Same. This scares me bc I am a fan of all these men and had no clue about this. This isn’t talked about enough.
Same here...
Same
I feel the same way...I hope that they do their research before they head in and watch their backs. From personal experience since I was in the military there is definitely no privacy and I always stayed under the radar per say but it is going to be a challenge for them since they are BTS...hope they get out at the end of this stronger and not with any huge mental damage💜💜💜🤟
@@zynergysch hope 🤞🏻🤞🏻
gave me a heart attack with baekhyun and chanyeol on the cover dude
😭😭
Me too why I liusten and watch right away!
Taemin released that video prior to enlisting where he was just bawling. It was heartbreaking. He knew it was going to be awful and I'm sure the other Shinee members didn't sugarcoat it for him. This is a fairly introverted guy that jumps at loud noises and is scared of bugs. He was destined to have a bad time. Luckily he only has four more months and then he's out.
What do you mean by Shinee didn’t sugarcoat it for him ?
Baekhyun is my ultimate so I miss him very much, but despite that I honestly can't even worry about their careers as much as simply their wellbeing. There's *nothing more important* than that. I believe those fans who truly care about their favorite idols will wait for them no matter what. What I'm actually relieved about is that Taemin was allowed to transfer. I can't even imagine what it must be like. Completely changing surroundings and environment is enough itself for a person who suffers from anxiety or depression. It's difficult to bare with things on daily basis, let alone things like these. I think of Baekhyun and Taemin pretty much everyday since I truly wish for them to be okay and to *come back safely* . I often listen to Taemin's Soldier, Rise or Under my skin, and every time I have tears in my eyes because you can just hear the tenderness and fragileness of his soul in those songs. It's hard not to think of everything he's been through. Pray for our brave strong men. ❤
Taemin is my ult but of course Baekhyun is special and us Shawols hold him and EXO in high esteem. Why was he showering with anyone? I thought he directly enlisted into supplementary service. Regardless, I hope that Taemin and Baekhyun are happy and well and enjoying their life and service as much as possible.
@@4Peace. even if they do public service I believe they all still have to do basic training for a few weeks first before being transferred.
@@4Peace. even during public service, they go through the starting and basic training which would probably be why he was in a joint shower. I think this is it not too sure tho
Am so scared now i won't sleep in peace for two years 😭
Taemin is my ult, so I can tell you that the news SM dropped about his mental health was extremely scary for shawols, especially because of SHINee's history. We only breathed some relief when his bandmates posted that they were keeping him surrounded with love and safety in his new social service environment. The military needs to make better accommodation for idols and celebrities who are serving their country. I can only imagine what is going to happen when Jin, closely followed by other BTS members, enlists.
That's why I am fuckin scared for them bts has done so much for their country and plus their status as world entertainers now I'm scared that they will get worse treatment
BTS are national treasures, I would dare say they will be protection compared to past idols Especially considering how much talk there has been of possible exemption.
@@YourLordX I agree that BTS are national treasures, but no more so than Taemin of SHINee (who started his K-Pop career at age 14) and several others mentioned in this video. Exemption may not be the blessing that it sounds like. MANY Koreans would treat them with contempt if they don't do their required duty to country. So I think (just my opinion) that service + better protection would be the best long-term solution for famous people.
After hearing and reading about celeb and idol experiences in the military, I too am beginning to worry when Jin and the other BTS members enlist. And I am sure they are aware of this. I really hope and pray that their company and BTS ARMY will rally behind them if any such malicious acts and harassment be seen and reported. A system of anonymously reporting such ill deeds & actions should be put in place.
Now that I think about it, it seems too unsafe for them to enlist given their popularity so I believe hybe may not allow it
I remember when the situation with Leeteuk's father happened and how worried I was for him. ELFs got together to stream SJ's song A 'Good' Bye to show solidarity for Leeteuk and to wish him strength and show support in what must have been a horrible time. The worst thing is that he was given no privacy, he was filmed during the whole funeral up close and people in military tried to leak more information about him. No one deserves that.
G-Dragon must have a heart of gold. Giving his fellow soldiers his credit card what a nice thing to do. I hope they didn’t take advantage of his generosity. The fact that they released his medical records and sketched him in the shower is disgusting. I would hope Korea would have some sort of privacy laws against this sort of thing like we have in the US. Just because they’re idols does not mean the public OWNS them and has to know what their doing every waking moment of their lives. 😡 And the superior officers definitely abused their powers asking that idol to perform for them and their families especially when he was going through such a difficult time. 😡😡😡 That is truly awful.
Omg I didn’t think it was this bad.. now I feel bad for Jinnie😢
I don't know what I'm gonna do when Jongin enlists. I am still not mentally prepared but I really hope that he is mentally prepared, same with Sehun. I hope Taemin and Baekhyun are doing okay. They'll be home soon thankfully. I wish the best for all the idols and I hope that they aren't too traumatized.
You only care the idols? First of all the military is not some death sentence. It is not heaven but is not a labor camp too. It is sad how people blame everything on the military.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj why are you being rude? As a fan we are just concerned about the idols nothing else.... And after seeing cases like this for sure they can be traumatized
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj they are celebrities. They have images with which they need to protect for their privacy and for their reputation. Yes, that would be unfair for non-celebs(i also feel sorry for them) that had also gone through this kind of trauma, but the celebrities who had to go through something like this are having it worse. Because a lot of people know them and it would take a lot of effort to be mentally strong for their fans and for the media.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj not everyone are blaming the military, but nobody can ever deny that there are loopholes within their military service rules.
Watching this now knowing that BTS may face this new reality, scare the shit out of me but I know one thing (if they don't get physically or mentally damaged) agustd CB tracks will be insane.
Exactly and they are so popular people their might envy them
I was so scared to watch this video seeing my baekyun picture😢 i just want baek, taemin and all other idol who are in military to complete their service without any issues😔
This is scary... At first I didn't worry much about BTS boys military enlistment since it's their country's requirements.. but after watching this video it kind worry me much bcos of the condition these boys might face during the enlistment, like situation that might affect their mental health/ stress... Hopefully government will do something about it..
If other idols went through all that, why not BTS?
@@bld3888 maybe because they are more famous so things can be worse…
@@bld3888 BTS has brought popularity, money etc.. to South Korea they deserved to be exempted
I agree of what you said in the beginning. Going to the army itself is also a thing but as an idol fame is one of the most important aspects. Due to the time in the army which is 18 months (21 months for the air force) idols will have this thing called “blank period”. It means that they can’t be active in the industry and fans will start to forget them. Its also true that when they come back fans might love them again. But who knows the future? They might not have the same popularity as before. 😔 sad.
Not to mention possibility of injury either. Can understand why some get it over earlier, later so hard to interrupt Career & Private life too sadly 😢
@@ginadeacon9920 I know it all too well but you can get injured outside too not just the military.
Even if they did not serve, do you think they will be popular forever? Their popularity will go down and fade with time regardless if they serve or not.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj not with Groups like BTS, but I'm sure even as individuals they will still top the charts.
You are right some sadly do disappear, some are dropped it's very competitive. Yet everyone knows the tough life of a trainee, not only that through their careers they have to pay ridiculously. Taken advantage of totally by profit driven Companies, every day costed, itemised & accounted for out of any earnings. It's a hard Apprentiship, but few reach the heights of Internationally recognised Idols. Your argument applies too, to those currently Exempted. Their must be some fairness, either all, or recognise the exceptional talents that the different genres in the Entertainment/Music Industry offer. The Contribution is no less than a Weightlifter for a one off Gold Medal, or a Pianist for a Carnigie Hall Performance! To think the Government recognises the fact that it's contentious, so passing the buck currently, is very concerning. In a position of Authority yet refusing to transparently consider all sides? It must be their decision their responsibility, to educate those who are ignorant of a wider view, while being fair to all categories. At the moment such contribution to the Country is not being so at all. Seemingly attributing frivolous choice of career in seeking fame. The only reason the real picture is not transparent, seems to be because of its ugly background of corruption & slavery of young people. Their youth is the price they pay, few sadly get the recognition they deserve, at least start with the World impactful Artists. Such a mess. Perhaps then let them serve when they leave Education. That is again an issue, being 20 or so so for many, it's just postponing adulthood, yet at least may not interrupt Careers at their height.
By the way so you think it's fair to interrupt a great Career at its height? When it brings so much recognition to SK, from worldwide Fans, whose own Governments acknowledge their influence on their children? All parents long for great role models for their children, so bottom line is it mainly a generational issue? What influenced their parents growing up? Are they resistant to change, because they value their own past more? Isn't moving forward progressively better for the Country? In our case sadly our Government being Far Right, wants to return to Victorian values. There was a time when this would not be acceptable, we are going through change again, hopefully away at some point back to balance. It's our Leaders who should be informed enough to do that.
Ngl this makes me scared for BTS
I think there is a case to be made for 18+ idol trainees completing military enlistment before they debut. That way it's done before the possibility of becoming famous to the point the other servicemembers would gawk or abuse them simply for the fact they're a famous idol... and there wouldn't be the issue of them having to step away for 18-24 months at the height of their career... in addition to all the disruption it causes groups in general.
Yeah, but there are also a lot of trainees that debut before they are 18+. What are they supposed to do? They would have the same problem that idols are facing now. They can't lower the age even further. That wouldn't be right at all to allow underage kids into the military.
@@infinitesprings Idols shouldn't be debuting before 18 in the first place given how abusive & pervasive the industry as a whole is, but that's a whole separate argument.
Sexual harrasment of men, especially the younger or simply the newer ones in the military and then those unashamed abusers also get to 'enjoy' the special performances by mostly female idols..... the kind of hoots they let out for even the minors are definitely not of the positive support kind. This is why glorifying any organization/person is never right, they're not the perfect beings they're portrayed as always.
Also, no matter how many laws we make, most of such problems are social and the most effective way of curbing them is by raising awareness that such actions are not natural, not meant to be, not a given stage of life one must go through.
This video it’s so necessary. We usually don’t see people talking about this on youtube, it’s a truth people should know. Amazing content ❤️
Electronics should be banned and severely punished if caught bringing into closet and shower area.
here after jin's announcement I'm really scared now.
Same
TAEMIN is the kindest and most beautiful soul in this cruel world. He doesn't deserve this at all 😢 I just pray that baby cheese recovers soon and stays healthy and happy.
I feel so bad and honestly something needs to be done about all that, if idols go through that then that means there is also other people in there that go through that or even worst and it goes unnoticed.
BTS will have it the worst because the government plans to use them to enrich itself, the other soldiers will be jealous and angry due to the special treatment, I fear for Jin, Yoongi and Tae the most because all have suffered from depression.
I’m worried about the harassment they’re about to face…
I'm worried about Tae because he is very sensitive. I'm worried he will suffer from depression
I know... but let's have hope for them. Their all mature, especially Tae. And remember they'll have access to their phones eventually so they could talk to us on Weverse.
Honestly tho, if they do receive special treatment they're higher ups could start to abuse them about it and claim that is isn't fair.
Deserved
I think Jin is doing fine, he has a great personality. Also, he became the commander of his unit. Very proud of him.
Am soo worried and scared for the tannies
I m here after hybe labels anounced that BTS will go for military service ..i m really worried about them after watching ths 🥺🥺🥺
me too, I hope the other members go in groups of 3 or 4 and I hope that they give Jin privacy that is what he deserves at least
@@gabrielmamani8445 yeah Jin privacy ..i wish he could have a separate room :( ..n showering with others may be dangerous for him ..because they can take pictures of Jin ..
Imagine jin going i really hope he’s gonna be okay
I love Taemin so much, it’s so tragic honestly. I knew something was wrong when he suddenly stopped updating but Jan 14 hit hard 😭😭 he’s a gentle soul and an introvert and it was all too much for him to begin with but having his privacy invaded on top of everything made it even worse. I’m so glad to hear from SHINee that he’s doing well now ❤️
It's something very horrible to experience and I don't want anyone to suffer like this,we are all humans and we should/need to have privacy,after hearing about Bts members that they will be serving in the south korea military i just pray that they will have a good time and good memories there, because getting through things like this it's very hard for our mental health💜i will wait for them💜ot⁷😭
I didn't hear anything like this regarding Baekhyun , heard that He used private Bathroom from day 1 , as when he entered at first in cafeteria, whole cafeteria was steering at him ( which quite understandable as He is Baekhyun ) and the officers scold them to mind their business, Later they decided to give him separate bathroom for few days(as he only stayed their for basic training ) As before him Big idols like GD already been through a lot so higher ups took steps beforehand ,I am not sure .
I never saw showering together is a thing outside Korea, my father was in Army and they legit had different bathrooms . Privacy is important not just for Idols but for everyone.Most of these big idols got issues with "showering together", You can't really blame people who stare at idols ,idols usually used to it but they have barriers outside Military , in military idols and commoners don't have any barrier, which make idol anxious, It's the authority who should take care these things if they want idols to serve , What should I say crazy b**ch have psychopath boyfriend who take pictures and take observations for their gf. The senior are literall mf , the way normal korean don't respect idols as normal human , disrespecting Leeteuk and the female idol as if they are so lifeless toy is disgusting
Came here because of the news about BTS to inform myself but what?😰
In life people intentionally pick the nicest and least problematic people (especially those with existing mental health conditions or family hardship) to bully because they know those people are less likely to fight back and also because the gossip and secret info feels so much more clandestine. The same goes for the military. For some it almost feels like a conquest or a game to break the smile of someone who is famous because then you feel “better than the celeb” and powerful. These nice people aren’t treated like humans because others either can’t see or don’t care that they’re also humans deserving of equal respect and consideration.
GD, probably the kindest person on this planet, especially known to be very humble, to always bow full 90 degrees to everyone, wether they are his seniors or juniors, rookies or people with success. In military he even gives his personal credit card for everyone to use freely, yet has several "scandals" during his service without any fault of his own.
He hurt his ankle years ago while he was on his solo world tour and couldn't get it treated, bc he chose to perform all shows he had promised. Then it got so bad military ordered a surgery for him to ease the pain he had lived with ever since the accident on stage. He could've chosen private hospital to go into, but stayed humble and the surgery was done in a military hospital.
Then people get angry at him for sick leaves and having a private room for security in hospital althought he was filmed when he was in the same room with other patients, and yet his detailled medical info is leaked and there's body maps of his online where every mole and tattoo is marked, and "underwear size". C'mon, if they know where he has moles in his body, they probably know more than just the size of his "underwear".
It's one thing to take a peek in a shower and another to draw detailled pictures and publish them. And meanwhile these people buy their snacks with his credit card! He even left it there for other's to use while he was out of base. And still he gets along with everyone.
World doesn't deserve people like GD.
Who cares abt gdrùģģie
@ilkldme People, who were supposed to take care of his dogs, didn't. He was in military, when that happened.
Lol say who you? Vets actually spoke up to defend him they even explained the nails. And how its isnt infamed and was advice not to cut the nails. He actually takes good care of his pets when they are with him. His dog gaho is also way pass the life expectancy of dogs of same breed
Thanks for your useful and well explained videos ❤️ keep it up!
This has to be one of the most disturbing and disgusting things I have ever heard in my life. How can people think taking pictures of someone showering is ok? It’s a tremendous violation of someone’s privacy and I can’t imagine the mental strain, humiliation and hurt they have gone through. This is awful. They have to live in a fishbowl if you will in public and the same thing during military enlistment.
In my country all 18 year olds have to enlist for 2/3 years, regardless of gender or status also. As s girl who was very conscious about her body, It took me a month to shower with all the other girls, and even then it was very hard to bring myself to do it.
I can't even imagine how hard it is when everybody recognise you and keep looking. So sad that there arent alternatives.
are u perhaps israeli?
Taemin's case is a great example of how important mental health is
I'm a Shawol and Taemin biased, and it broke my heart that he was struggling so much 😔 We've learned before what can happen if an idol's mental health goes unchecked, so I'm really glad that it's being addressed and really hope he's feeling better now 💙
It’s a frustrating situation cause at least some idols have some lead way to having something done if their having a hard time in the military but average people have to suck it up and get on with it cause no one is likely gonna help them except themselves by standing up for themselves and defending themselves but either that’s gonna lead to them being respected and left alone or making things worse but I feel bad for them how their treated or taken advantage of while trying to fulfill their duty to their country, imagine how it would be for bts members I can only imagine
this is my one fear for the boys doing their military service
Idols definitely are at a disadvantage during military service. It's disgusting what they endure.
not me naively thinking they would be treated as citizen. I was expecting them to be treated normally but not even worse
@@njarasoarumpf8464: People feel a sense of ownership over idols that is unhealthy.
i don’t understand why idols aren’t all sent to the military as a public service worker in the first place, especially since they’re famous because others don’t seem to understand that they’re humans too
Public service worker is for people that have injuries but still can do stuff I think
@@brenna730 yeah but im just saying it’s probably safer for people with their status
@@enhaworld maybe but u still won’t be safe
the fact that THREE suju members suffered this enough for them to have to speak about it including their leader, which is such a big band and still no action was taken for it is so weird
I have been involved in politics in the United States for over 40 years. Seen this scenario a thousand times. People and groups (BTS Members) who are unable to speak their true desires on a matter because of possible government backlash, do so for the good of their country and community. This could explain the Hybe Notice. Which is why those of us who were/are in political power used the power of the people to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves, through politics or through corporate pressure. Who will fight for BTS? Will A.R.M.Y rollover, are will we fight for them to the end?
This is heartbreaking & unbelievable! I only learned of these artists after becoming a BTS fan. They did a show appearance & encouraged people & army check how great other k pop group’s are & to also support them 🙌
How are these gents doing now? What’s being done about this? Why isn’t this made more covered to people can raise awareness that are not Korean. Therefore they’re protected by the gov, as the artists didn’t do anything the public did. THIS IS SEXUAL HARASSMENT! As a psychiatrist BTS fan or not is not relevant here. Something must be done, for ALL Korean men to be protected! It’s foul play
leave the hypocrisy you don't care about the other idols you only worry because bts will go sm.
@@bld3888 and what a positive person you are, trying to make positive change. Hope your proud of your negativity. I suggest you stop, as your making yourself look stupid. Sending positive vibe’s
I am came here just for BTS 💜😭
This is so weird...and creepy why mistreatment and make idols uncomfortable....there normal.peaple ,serving there country...I wish they would plant atleast some1 to protect them.when peaple get invaded...it's so disgusting
Everyone is like jimin will be bullied. Nope the one you should worry about is taehyung. I would prefer if bts could all go together so they can be there for each other. It is unlikely that will happen but i hope the 3 youngest will at least go in together.
I pray for these boys because people can be downright evil when you're not like them.
I don’t understand why IDOL companies aren’t making a bigger deal out of this. Aren’t they supposed to protect their Idols?
oh god I hope they fix this for all the other idols that will go to the military later on, actually not only idols get traumatized there ordinary people suffer terrible things as well and no one does nothing they should make new laws but instead they just try to hide everything
I’m sickened by this I had no idea this happened in the miltary omg I read about Taemin I’m shocked about this even though I’m not a fan of Shinee I respect them and Taemin is a very talented guy I heard his solo music it’s very good. I really hope he is okay since then as I haven’t read anything about his since . I really don’t want BTS to go through the same thing as he did this is so wrong . Taking pictures of idols in the shower that’s disgusting I don’t want them to suffer they need to be expect this could also impact their mental health too and traumatise them miltary is a bad place. They need to respect all solders in the miltary and not so stuff like this to them.
They already do that..they take a picture of jin when jin is not wearing a shirt..the South Korean military is disgusting
I am rightfully scared for jin for when it's his time to serve in the military having no pivatecy and used and abused like that is uncalled for no one should ever be put through that type of treatment I come from a military family and I HATE IT
I worry about idols being mistreated in the military. Especially the bigger their fame the more abuse they more suffer.
This makes me wish none of them had to go. The lack of care and respect for them while they're serving is just disgusting. No one deserves to go through that. And God I'm really hoping Taemin is okay and is doing better.
Thank you so very much for this video! This is something only a few people know, how military-life is all about, not only for idols, but worldwide!!! People are humiliated there - worldwide, even in "so called civilised countries"! As I am Taemin-fan, it hurts me a lot. But it shows nothing but the reality, done to thousands of people around the world!
6 like!!! Love your videos, watch them everyday
This video just confirmed what I’d been thinking for a long time. The mistreatment. It’s disgusting
Thank you so much for this video!!! It is so important to know - for everyone, actually that BTS are going to go through this 😢
I'm looking into military service of Korean Idols because there are rumors of BTS going to serve in the military in December...
This just makes me feel extremely worried. I'm emotionally attached to them as their videos and music had been my emotional support so them being out of reach for 18 months makes me feel kinda lonely.
Disgusting what they do with idols! Armys! If they post videos or photos of idols or BTS members it is our duty to delete those to protect their privacy!
I feel bad for Leeteuk. 😔
This is all disgusting. I can't even imagine what they went through. I have been thinking about this for awhile, but because of South Korea's recent debate on military service and this video in itself explaining the hardships idols go through in military made me think of what Korean entertainment companies should have done from the beginning. Military service is a sacred thing in Korea and, and well as idols get more popular day by day, it's not safe for them to be in an environment such as explained in this video. Its evident that idols are starting to debut at very young ages, which I believe is not a good thing at all. Instead of debuting them so young, they should be training their idols, and at age 18 they should send their trainees to military service. When they come back, their company should train them a bit more. Later debuting them in a group or as a soloist. If they would just do that, then idols wouldn't have worry about the things mentioned in the video. But also, it would help so that they don't have to pause their career and loose fans and money.
You would think that with them having to do the mandatory service it would allow the other soldiers to realise that idols are humans too, just like them. It is frustrating to know that they are instead treated like an oddity or something there for to satisfy their personal curiosities or fulfill their indulgent whims. They are humans doing what is required of them. By their government for their service, the company for their job, their dreams for the path they chose- it is heartbreaking to know that in the present day, it hasn't gotten better any better yet.
I find it kind of weird that they can force these ultra famous people to live in such vulnerable proximity to a bunch of random people. You see the kind of protection they get while being a celebrity and they need it for a reason. To force them to suddenly be near so many randos without protection is very questionable and should be reconsidered somehow
It's tough for everyone,not just kpop.
I'm worried about BTS.. I think the boys will do well in the army but my concern is with Jimin. I'm afraid that the same thing that happened to Taemin will happen to him
Aww I feel for them. I pray the rest of time goes more smoothly for them. Us fans have to continue to support them and show them love