We live in an era of online gaming where some people won't even believe you if you tell them you've never ragequitted. While getting angry at games is understandable, it's worrying to see so many players adapt to the idea (and preach) that ragequitting is totally acceptable. I have to admit, it's a guilty pleasure of mine when I record a RQ, but that's only because I have a capture card. I feel bad for anyone else who simply get's disconnected, and has to hope that the next guy won't quit.
I'll admit that I've RQ'ed before a couple times in my life in either Online matches to fighting games or online fps sessions. Am I proud of it? No, but at least I admit that I did it and I'm bettering myself because of it. Usually whenever someone RQ's on me, I sometimes ask if they disconnected unintentionally due to the net-code or if they hit the home button on accident because that happened a lot when I played Naruto:UNS4. I don't really give people shit or belittle them when they RQ on me because then I'd be as big of a hypocrite as LowTierGod, the best ragequitter on Earth! Instead, I just shrug it off and move on. Maybe they had a long day at work or just have some pent up aggression, it doesn't justify the RQ but I can at least sympathize with the reason as to why.
Its because on online fighting games such as street fighter,mortal kombat,ect nobody likes one sided matches where they have aboslutely 0 chances of winning a fight at all because the other person knows all the combos right out the gate and button mashes. so if i feel that in ANY multiplayer game that a one sided fight is full of bullshit and its a waste of time and effort to get stomped on 20 times over, im going to leave without any regrets. im not going to force myself to stay, "accept" 5 losses because of a massive skill gap, then be mocked and ridiculed for being a shitty player just because people think i suck at the game. imagine if this were a competitve leauge and you lost every single match even if you tried, people would kick you out of teams, and bar you from participating just because they think you will never "git gud" and improve ever. tldr:you will be a laughing stock as that one person who always loses regardless of who it is he/she is fighting. ragequitting doesint net you a loss on your stats, so of course people do that. Improve the matchmaking, and maybe then people wont leave mid match. its compareable to destiny/destiny 2 putting random people in pugs vs fireteams of 6 pro people with mics in skype.
The only time a rage quit irritates me is when it is a close game, that is just disrespectful. When an opponent rage quits when the battle is one-sided, I just think its funny. Post game trolling might happen as well. When the match is laggy and they disconnect, then Its fine. I understand.
There seems to be a very very small group of gamers in the world who have any idea of the concept of honor. When you are bested by your opponent in competition, it is honorable to let him take the victory that he deserves. Have some respect for your fellow competitor who's giving it his best the same as you. Personally I don't care for things like ranked history such as a win/loss ratio. If someone rage quits, that's a win in my book. Still, rage quitters should receive the most severe punishment a game can offer. Especially in competitive games where upholding sportsmanship and honor should be a pivotal tenant.
Agreed. This is the first time that I've heard about the Injustice 2 ranking system, but WOW did they screw up that ranking system. Like what developer would think that rage quitting should equal a double loss? It's stupid
Pariah6950 I look at it like this I do quit but its like bowing out and just moving on.... I don't scream and swear or send hate mail, or even throw things I just put my controller down and move on with my day. But I do see what your saying tho
Samurai Shodown 4, 5 and 5 Special featured suicides/honorable death moves that could be done at anytime. That definitely needs to be made mainstream in the fighter genre.
Rage Quitters are pathetic imo. Best thing I can think to do with them, is stuff them all into a 'Rage Quit' lobby, where if you disconnect a lot you get dumped there with all the other cowards.
+Lunar Templar rage quit lobby - priceless love it - but there is a problem with that yeah? Fighting games if you rage quit it should be progressively punishing aka first time it happens fine 1 rank lost 2nd time? 2 ranks 3rd time 6 ranks that way people will not want to rage quit to save stats. To fix your ranks if you had a bad connection you would have to appeal the rank loss by sending a pack trace to the game devs to prove you have a bad connection and are not just faking it. That might be better.... might.. Now in other games this will not work as well but for fighting games rage quitting simply should not give the player a zero stat it should have a loss if they leave and not get any rewards of any kind.
+Lunar Templar Other games have done this, such as dota 2. It works pretty well. So applying the same idea to street fighter or something would probably work pretty well.
The Forfeit idea is Genius! I've played every fighting game on my channel and plan to make my own some day but even I haven't ever thought of that! What an idea!
I really wish they added a forfeit button, usually the quit button is the forfeit button, but you know if they added like a forfeit animation specific to every character in a fighting game that'd be awesome. I for one still usually don't forfeit, because it's not over till your health bar reaches zero, but a forfeit button would be cool for players who want to leave but also don't want to be complete dicks and ragequit like crying babies.
Headchrusherdeth You're on to something there, most sports do that so it's about time fighting games implement it even though the rules are "It don't stop until the health is zero" there comes a point in the match when you realize you're not good enough to beat the opponent and the opponent even knows this. It's an inevitable win and it's one reason I don't take electronic sports seriously.
These rage quit losers keep appearing in my KI games. And the worst, the poorest losers are those that have just beaten you. Let me explain, often I'll be matched up a second time with the same person that beat me earlier, then once I start winning they rage quit on me to retain their ranking. Absolute bastards. Everything else I really enjoy about KI, hopefully DoubleHelix does something about this behavior.
Great video Max, hit the nail on the head on a multitude of subjects. The fact that Injustice punishes rage quit victims but not the rage quitters themselves is just sad. There are so many factors that make this game great, but the online is flawed from the ground up.
I really like the idea of a forfeit or concede button. I don't think anyone should feel trapped playing someone they don't want to. It allows them to leave while showing that their actions still have consequences, they still lose and the opponent still wins. Or sometimes the connection makes you want to eat your hands, so a loss would be preferable to slogging through it. Also shout outs to MK11 for quitalities I really like how that's handled.
I really like when games have this disconnect percentage displayed on player cards. Even though disconnects do happen unintentionally by net error, but in this case if people only get those once in a while disconnects it won't affect the percentage. If somebody has a percent or more it's easy to see that wasn't just due to net errors, but to rage quitting. There's also a way to redeem this.
Now what if they lose their connection or their power goes out? You really have to think about things like that. Games will still punish you though because they don't know what's going on outside of their perspective
I'd rather forfeit if I know I dont have the skill to win the match. If it's relatively even sure I'll play it out. But if I know I'm going to lose I'd rather just get the early loss.
u have to understand when gaming fighters that there's always gonna be someone much better than you regardless. I've played ki online once and when undefeated at least 60 pulse times. I finally lost to a dude. rematch, lost, rematch, lost and so on. we became online friends and we always game ki and till this day I haven't won one game and its been over two years. I know I'll beat him on day but no by "rage quitting"
I don't care to much about winning, but I still find myself quitting in Naruto Ultimate ninja storm 4 occasionally when i'm fighting someone who just runs the entire match which can last 9 minutes across 3 rounds and sometimes I leave in the very rare case of lag. I never quit when I played Street Fighter 4 or Tekken, so I don't see why Naruto is so much worse and I've taken some ass beatings and those games and still managed to enjoy myself.
This is why I don't really play fighting games competitively online anymore. I'm by no means a great fighter. Just ok. There would be times when I would train in a fighting game for hours each day after loosing many times and never giving up only to have a multiple wins taken away from me due to a rage quiter. What's the point accepting your looses and enduring all that emotional pain only to see no results in the ranking due to a quiter? It's demotivational and ain't worth it.
This has been my absolute favorite video by far for his subject. I cant begin to mention the lack of ranking I had with my 3 weeks of Injustice just to sell it and trade for the Vita version. (less rage quitters on portables...who knew?). But yeah in fighting games and matchmaking like Dark Souls series this is a constant issue.
They need to do what xenoverse 2 is doing, first time they rage quit redname them and take all their rank points every time they quit rage quitters have no place online so humiliating them with a red name and zero points will let other people kno what they're getting into before the fight starts
But then there's the problem with those who disconnect because their ISP went down, or they don't have the best internet. You'd be punishing the innocent just because they are stuck with AT&T instead of Comcast.
Mental Agar And AT&T sets an internet usage limit but doesn't warn you that you're about to reach it until after they've charged you for going over the limit. At least with throttling we weren't charged for using 50 GB (which is seriously not enough now-a-days. I reached that limit just by downloading TitanFall). Like I said, they both are terrible, but I'd prefer to have Comcast.
As much as I hate ragequitters i understand when people quit sometimes. For instance I'm pretty damn good at UMk3. Not a lot of people can compete with me and if I run into someone who is clearly just learning they have basically no chance at winning. It's annoying waiting 20 minutes for a game then they quit right away but it happens. i don't get mad. However it bothers me when the person quits, then feels the need to send me hate mail afterwards. I suck at mvc2 as I'm just starting to learn it, but I dont usually ragequit, even if my opponent is teabaggin me hard. Why dont i quit? Because I want to get better! Even if I have no chance of winning I can at least begin to learn how to counter a high level player.
Pfft, sometimes I fight with someone better than me, but I still take the loss, quiting is just fucking sad, and even more when he kicked your ass in the first round.
That reminds me how I just beat an Oni player with Dan in the first round and he automatically just quit. Like 'Screw that,I'm not losing to no clown.'
ViewtifulShishigami Some people take the game WAY too serious....the only good reason for rage quitting is that is they get paid each win, and if they lose, they get fired...if not....then they're just a bunch of pussies.
I Actually Made Amy Rose Rage So Bad That She Rage Quit I Was Rolling On The Floor Laughing Hahahahahahahahahahahaha It Was Even Funnier When ***** Made ***** Rage Quit So Bad That Knuckles Broke His Controller And Rage And I Was Laughing Uncontrollably
Online Pokemon had a system where if you disconnected from a match, you weren't allowed to connect to another match for one hour, which I think would be a good system for fighting games. You rage quit, you can't play again for a bit. Maybe just like 5 minutes for a once in a blue moon thing so you don't punish legitimate problems like a fuse blowing or something too hard, but if it becomes a trend, you get barred from playing for progressively longer.
What if you have shitty internet and it disconnects or something happens in real life that results in your game crashing or losing connection, it seems pretty brutal to not allow another match for another hour after one disconnect. But yeah, rules needs to be put in place for this.
that's an unfair statement. Plenty of people want to play online with other people whether it's just friends or the internet. Sometimes the connection is just bad because their service provider is a piece of crap. I'm just saying the rule shouldn't be so harsh. :P This is why so many people hate the too much invasive DRM. Because they can't play if they have shitty internet. Which is ridiculous.
chris sanders If it's not something under your control then you shouldn't get a loss for it. If you're winning and your internet dies should you take a loss?
Dylan Cross ...yes. If your connection's unstable then you shouldn't even be online really. The person who's able to keep playing consistently and with no interruptions deserves the win.
For definite there should be a cap on how much disconnects you can have the you are banned from online. If you're disconnects keep growing your time extends.
If I were to make a game, I'd implement an in-battle penalty system if you rage quit enough. Like, your character's speed is lowered significantly if you rage quit 10 times, and more debilitations will stack when you rage more. It'd be a good way of saying "You lost, deal with it and stop being a baby."
i love when i play ranked injustice and the guy im fighting has more disconnects then i have total matches played. there needs to be a steep penitently when u quit.
PsychoholicSlag83 Yeah but at worst you're off for an hour. Probably could give the game a break at that point anyway. Usually connection problems present more on the way.
Gives time for your net to get over whatever hiccups are going on. It's unfortunately common that someone on a weak connection will continuously connect to games and disconnect from them. Often times connection issues fix themselves over time and giving that hour keeps from someone super-bumping their own loss score. Also keeps people from boosting.Random Man
I like the concept, but if there's no way to distinguish between a disruption in the service and a rage quitter, I think a 1 hour ban is too harsh. I think an easy solution is to set up an alert...if your opponent has had more than 5 disconnects in a rolling last week, then the system should give you an option to play against opponent or not. That way, if a player had a random DC related to their ISP, then it shouldn't impact them. If their ISP is spotty, then this will give them a chance to fix it and resume play without a penalty....if the player is rage-quitting then they'll be effectively banned by the community because the alert will pop up and most players in ranked won't want to risk playing against a rage-quitter. The alert will stay in place until they have less than 5 DCs in a rolling week.
Black ops 2 did something similar, but when teh lobby went down due to the guy backing out, it also applied the penalties to other ppl for backing out/quitting.
You can't police people's minute actions. Quitting or Rage Quitting is something that should be overlooked and/or ignored. If anything it should be a compliment to the other player who didn't quit because while you didn't "kill" (defeat) you opponent you made them "retreat" (quit). People quit for more reasons that just anger. Maybe they have been irritated by other players who have been talking crap after beating them and think you're the next douchebag to put new salt into their old reopened wounds. So just say to yourself that the other player "is just having a bad time right now" if he quits on you.
I have a question. Can you do a video about the difference in using a controller and a fight stick in fighting games? I am from the Oldschool where I always play with a controller. I didn't get to the arcades much in my youth, so I pretty much took to the console versions of the fighting games more. Now that the arcades are almost gone, I notice that fight sticks are all the rage, and that I find myself pressing the buttons on my controller rapidly and my executions are not fully responding. Is there a difference in button command timing from between a controller and a fight stick?
one of the bigger differences is that an arcade stick lets you have 1 hand dedicated to movement and one for the buttons, in most fighting games with a controller you don't have enough buttons to dedicate 1 hand per movement/buttons. Hope it helps a little
Things that ruin fighting games is lag and try hards that spam to win. Which is the reason why it hate playing online. They need to make AI a lot smarter
WTF is a tryhard? As if trying to get good at a game is a bad thing. Dudes who you say "Spam" probably beat you. If you're getting beat by the same thing over and over the problem isn't the opposing player. It's you.
Mostly I don't get caught in spam but its just why do this? When I beat them they give me rage messages. I tell them spamming cant make you better. But whatever there's always going to be a spammer. I'll just have to deal with then
Nicholas Harris its called counter picking, its like in street fighter 4, an abel will win like 99% of the time against a dudley because dudley simply doesn't have any moves to counter abel while abel has a billion counters for dudley. thats the problem with games that have a lot of characters but yeah you could still win but the odds are against you
Marty Ruiz He wasn't talking about counter picking. He was talking about "Spammers" and "Tryhhards". And counter picking isnt an instant win if you aren't a good player. I suspect that nobody here is that great to begin with (I'm not either) but don't complain especially if you don't have a scene or never play real people and only play online. The average online warrior tends to not be very good anyway.
couldn't agree more max. had a guy rage-quit on me yesterday in injustice by triggering his super move and then quitting while the super move cinematic was playing!
There does need to be some kind of honor in playing fighting games, be it casual or competitive. If you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. Good game, would play again, live and learn, all that noise. However, I will admit I have ragequit more times than I like to share. Mostly it comes form demoralization after losing so many times in a row where I just go "Fuck it. I'm done." That being said, there should be a better form of punishment for ragequitters. Like you said in Injustice, the other player RQing causes YOU to lose. That is bullshit. If anything it should be the other way around. I did see someone say there should be a mechanic that says "If you ragequit you can't play for X amount of time," and the more it happens, the more time is added. It would certainly keep frequent ragers from building a fake win/loss ratio (and for someone like me, it'd give that person time to cool off).
I think you will find many fighting games with combo systems tend to suffer the same trend. Some characters have very few combos and maybe one or sometimes two that are really affective. It's kinda your responsibility to find ways to shut these combos down and punish. Playing multiple characters to learn their strengths an weaknesses really helps.
I got rage quitted 2 times today, a joker only doing only crouching 2, I use raven and got tired of him doing that so I countered it with her down forward two, he didn't want to block and rage quitted. The other one was an aqua man that only wanted to smash the glass in the corner of Atlantis so I did the down forward 2 and he kept trying to break the glass so he rage quitted. I don't get frustrated with this kind of stuff but it is annoying.
ugh...I had some rage quitters tonight in persona....it's really frustrating when you're finally starting to turn your game around and when you finally manage to pull a win it gets robbed from you.
I rage quit occasionally, I'm here to play a fighting game and have fun. If my opponent uses cheap tactics, a clearly overpowered character, or is so much better than me that I'm just watching someone do a combo video, I'll quit, I'm not here to watch people play.
That's just stupid. By saying "I just want to have fun" you mean you just want to win, no matter what. If there is a dude better than you, you just consider them as a combo video. And when people use cheap tactics, all you have to do is change playstyle. It's all about knowledge and patience. To win you need to earn it, not wanting it.
Max you should discuss in game gimmicks for fighting games, like PSAS and Smash bros have environmental hazards. Injustice has interactables. And SFXT tag mechanic. I notice a lot of tournaments turn off things like this because of its element of randomness but i believe it could add to the hype of the game
Rage quitting is just poor game design. Developers should simply give the player who quits/disconnects the lost, even if the disconnect wasn't his/her fault. By not doing so, they are encouraging sore losers to rage quit.
omg this happans a lot as yoshimitsu player, first 3 rounds, i feel him out. next 3 i do my routine and often times its a 3-0 with a rageuit at the end.
Oh OK, the game must give you a pleasure to play it. When your opponent has confirmed a single hit and began a combo, which took a 100% of your health, here is no pleasure in such a shitty game with such a shitty combosystem. Of course i gonna quit that kind of match. I definitely don't want to give my opponent a satisfaction of beating me by ToD. Fuck him.
Max I totally agree with your feelings. I've given up playing Online rank matches mainly due to Ragequitting. I'm just looking to enjoy playing the game.
If someone's kicking my ass, I stay there and fight the losing battle because I'll learn something from that fight. Running away from the fight isn't going to help you get better. Stay there, try to learn a cool combo or try to understand why you're losing, or study your foe so you'll do better in the rematch.
+Chad Serrant It's also important to fight to the bitter end. I have Cockroach won matches through a combination of dumb luck, ingenuity, and determination against all odds. If you don't fight with 100% effort, you don't get your chance at glory.
The only part that I REALLY raged quit, was in Street Fighter IV the first. Late at night and screaming at the TV because I had no idea what I was doing and people were kicking my ass.
3 things to take in for this issue. 1* If the person leaves that's part of the game but if the person turns his console or closes the program/ unplugs his internet that's just bad sportsmanship. 2*Leaving is ok if versing some one using a lag switch or with bad connection and or if spamming. 3*The only other thing that can justify leaving is if you just got the game and lets say you have played 1 match and the system puts you against some one who has played 59,000.
Max speaking about forfeit button reminds me about Samurai Shodown. Since some versions of that game actually have a forfeit button and most of the characters will commit suicide when you press it. IIRC, it gives an advantage for the next round though
Unless something happens outside of the game, there is absolutely no excuse for rage quitting. Be it a lame spammer(Deathstroke I'm looking at you) or hardcore lag, just wait for it to be over, and be mature about it.
i don't know about lag, I played a game where one jab or move taken 8 to 10 seconds. Do you expect me to sit there and waste time on an unplayable match? Waited a very long time for it to fix itself but eventually quit as the connection didn't disconnect. That was the only time i ever rage quit, and it wasn't rage just unplayable lag. I learned my lesson never to go against a 2 bar connection after that. The worst connection i ever seen.
Very true max, this is why i'm subscribed to you. You're like the person i would be if i were ever to make videos for myself. Very entertaining stuff as always!
i agree that rage quitting is for people who cant take a loss cause they believe they are hot shit. it should be common knowledge that in fighting games you are not the best at it ever!! even pros lose at games they are considered gods at. Rage Quitters need to learn how to take their lumps and learn from it instead of just pulling the plug and in the next game fall victim to the same thing they were losing to when they did rage quit!
Earlier I was playing an Endless Battle in USF4 where I was just trying it out after I got the game just less than a fortnight ago. I only have 92 PP and the guy I was about to fight had about 4000 PP. After he'd finished his match with another guy and it was his turn to fight me........HE KICKED ME! I've no idea why when it would've just been a swift victory, but he just out of the blue kicked me!
Bad matchmaking causes rage quitting fighting people who damn well know they can beat you causes rage quiting Lag causes rage quitting people rage for alot of reasons its not just one
Azure literally all of that is being a child not wanting to take an L. You can learn from a loss. Input lag and frame delay can help you learn to understand player mentality, frame counting, and reading since you have to catch the non lagging player off guard. every loss is a chance to get better but it's easier to get frustrated and quit than it is to put your tryhard pants on and still lose
As my buddy put it regarding UMVC3, "I didn't pay 60 bucks just watch my character get bounced around for 2 or so minutes while I wait for chance to actually use my controller. If I'm not having fun, I leave." Honestly, I can't disagree with that logic; after all, it was his money, and now it's his game, so he's free to as he pleases with it. BUT there is a really, so incredibly non-offensive solution to this that honestly, I'm sort of shocked it hasn't been brought up yet. If you're just not getting how the game the works, especially one as unforgiving as UMVC3, and you are getting constantly destroyed, and you're dropping on people, PROTIP *****PLAY THE GAME OFFLINE******. Just play offline; thre is no shame in that. Work your way up. Figure it out. Learn to enjoy it. Play it locally with friends. I don't know. Maybe that might help.
Rage quitting is perfectly valid. I paid for this game to have fun. If I'm getting my shit wrecked CONSISTENTLY, I am not having fun, thus I leave. All this talk about "honor" and "sportsmanship" is bullshit. I don't care how 'honorable' you think I am, I want to WIN. All these people that bitch about rage quitting are almost always assholes that rag on other people that they beat. You don't learn shit from getting hosed whenever you try and take a step. You don't learn anything when you get speed blitzed as soon as the match starts. You don't learn anything from getting smacked around by people that are eight times your level after having started playing like a week ago. Miss me with that bullshit.
i was so sad today, i was playing Injustice, and I was getting a comeback after being at less than 3 hits away, as i hit my super move to win the match he rage quit. that was my first experience with the rage quit in Injustice, got a loss for it and I just lost all hype for the day :/
Boosting is an exploit where people will set up multiple accounts to play against one another to get easy wins to 'boost' rating on their main account. So if you were to have a forfeit button it would make it a lot easier for people to do this.
2K Football was the best at dealing with rage quitting. They didn't take care of it straight out of the box mind you but when someone would lose their connection on purpose or not they would get a loss and the other person would get the win. This cut out a lot of rage quitting once 2K Football figured it out. 2K was doing this in the early to mid 2000s so all these other online games should've took a page out of 2Ks book.
+Friedrich Nietzsche It's even worse in MMO's because balance there actually sucks. You'd have classes dedicated to single target small scale fights lock down one target and time the stuns correctly, not get the burst damage off thus being at a disadvantage (critical hits are luck based), then disengage and people complain. Then such classes get nerfed and it becomes all about cheap condis and AoE's. Fighting game losses by comparison always feel much fairer since the blame is on the player himself and not on bad teammates or rely on luck of the draw randomly bad compositions.
i frequently send a message after a person quits on me asking what happened (if i can tell they quit i ask them why they quit). sometimes i get ragemail, whatever it happens. but even still i invite them to play a few more games and even offer to show them ways to improve. because of this, i met and helped about 20+ people stick with soulcalibur 5 until they could play decently and enjoy the game more. it feels great to know you're having a good time as well as the other player too.
Tsumugi Shirogane you're right. I've got another month of play under my belt and I have gotten better. And I've stopped rage quitting. Now when it's lopsided I just put my controller down and let my opponents take the w and exit the match afterwards. Then I watch the replay to see where I messed up.
Ah, that is a very good response. I had started playing before the online fighting game boom, so losing was something I accepted. I view matches like a teaching lesson, if you pay attention close enough, you learn the weakness of your opponents and your own.
Yes. Rage quitting is wrong. But the problem is that these games do everything to encourage it. This will stop rage quitting (for the most part). A Get rid of the ranking system. B. Just record the number of wins without worrying about streaks. C. Award fight money to BOTH the winner and the loser to get new outfits. THIS WAY, THERE WOULD BE NO POINT IN RAGE QUITTING. Sure, some people would still do it. But there would be no reason to. What's the point of rage quitting if there's no record of it, and you're still going to get some 'fight money' anyway?
I completely feel you on this one. Another game genre is sports games. Seems like my win lose total is terrible because unless I am getting blown out in the game, they will quit on me so I only get my ass handed to me over and over which is very frustrating. Especially when you finally find someone that you can beat, then they quit before the match counts. bogus.
the super smash bros handels this problem really well cause if u drop out too much /rage quit then the opportunity for that person to play online is suspended for a limited time
getting your ass handed to you is right of passage.you learn more and get better quicker by playing with the best people you can.you make greater more impactful adjustments faster then play with people exactly at or below your skill.
Yeah.. there may be another problem with INJUSTICE. I looked at my stats..and it says I have 27 disconnects.. and I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER rage quitted on anyone. Does anyone know what causes this?
I can understand ragequitting isn't acceptable, but I'm not perfect. When I encountered a spamming Axl and Potemkin in GGST online I just couldn't. I wasn't mad necessarily, but I closed the game when I saw what was going on. Also in SSBU, I closed the game when I ran into corny Kirby's, Mario's, etc. I try not to ragequit, but when I'm playing a fair neutral and my opponent isn't it's hard for me to not do that
To me rage quitting is fine.. as long as I don't get penalized for the other guy quitting and takes the loss and I take the victory. To me if I'm winning so hard to where he don't stand a chance then just quit and find another match and take the loss cuz he gonna lose anyway.. so I really don't understand why people bitch bout ppl quitting when you need to bitch bout the flaws of the game on what happens when someone does.. if someone quits fine?? Wgaf? Get the hell over it if it didn't have any negative effects on you.. if it does then blame the and devs and not the player.
Hateful_Jac if you cant take a lose then whya te you playing the game? If yoh dont adjust then you will do the same shit over and over agian and will lose all the time. Rage quiting is stupid because it promotes a coddling behavior. People,"bitch" because you took their win from them and you lost your opportunity to come back and win. Rage quitting affects everyone involved. Period
what sucks is my wireless resetting all of a sudden when Im playing SFxT or the battle is cancelled due to severe lag and I get a 200bp deduction bcuz the system thought I rage quit
+Luis Mediavilla still no reason to rage quit. rage quitters are still rage quitters no matter how you slice the cake the main difference is that the person that doesn't rage quit has more sportsmanship and more determination to get better
michaael stanfield not even remotely true. I rage quit plenty of times yet I still study what I did wrong in the match and hit up practice mode. If a match is so one-sided than there is no point in continuing it.
Alex Melendez in cases where I am completely out matched I just put the controller down. They still get the win on their record and I can do something else.
thanks max,for bringing the issue of rage quitting to a bigger audience.im sure everyone has had this happen on more than one accation and just the amount of frustration it causes it needs to be taken into consideration,all these game developers claim that there community is great then do nothing to penalize those who abuse it.the fact they cant handle a loss just so they can stay on the top of a leaderbord is just pathetic so i hope more people see how this is effecting the online community.
Souls games are the surefire way to judge if you're a coward or if you can take losing. Nothing brings it out of you more than getting TWoP and 4v1 murdered by Havel Moms with Gold Tracers. You can either disconnect and go bitch about it on Reddit, or you can shrug it off and say "hey, that was only about 30 seconds, and it was out of my hands that I died there" and simply keep going.
thing I hate about sfxt is that if my Internet comes across a spike n disconnects me or same thing with a power cut I lose 200bp for nothing to do with me the game takes it as me rage quitting and im like 'NO' my Internet cut out sooo the makers need to do something about that hell just give the other guy more bp n give me a loss score instead of throwing me back 200 points
Has nothing to do with anger. Some people don't want to get combo'd through the whole fight and never have a chance to do anything. Getting your ass whooped by a no life sucks and doesn't help you get better at the game despite what no lifes like to say.
+Nick B Calling them No Lives further proves the point here. If you get bodied in a match by somebody who's better, that's a good thing because you're job to figure out what your problem is. If you don't take the game seriously than you shouldn't be playing online at all period. Offline is probably better for you.
7:04 to 7:30, that's the main reason I don't go near online in fighting games at all. What's the point of learning to play certain fighting game & get better if players are going to rage quit every time things don't go their way? I can say the same thing about sports games as well. Shooter games are the worst when it comes to rage quit. Good video.
Why the hell does the other guy quitting give you a loss? What a terrible game. Also, all these people claiming they have to rage quit because of "spammers" lol. If you can't beat someone, you suck guys. Sorry to be the one to tell you this. There is no "wrong way" to play a game other than hacking it. If these "spammy" characters can beat your close range character from far away, why would they not just do that? Why give you a chance to beat them? That's retarded. If the best way to win is to play these "cheap" characters that you don't like... guess what, you're playing a bad game. Stop complaining about people doing the smart thing and winning the easiest way. OR find a way to counter them if they are so "bad at the game".
James Edward Smith I'm not being mindless, nor am I be ignorant & I dislike people who complain & try to make their opinions fact. Yes, I did read your post & just because they want to choose a character that they don't like, doesn't mean the game is bad.
James Edward Smith I disagree. "Cheap" players are what ruin the game especially if you're a beginner, it ruins the game and learning to get better. They are able to be countered, it's not impossible to beat them if you're skilled enough but I think it's unfair for beginners trying to learn a game.
JACMIC22 you get better at games by learning how to beat people. You stay bad at games by complaining that anyone doing something that beats you is "being cheap". The sooner you learn this, the better off you're going to be in life in general. Stop complaining and demanding that other people stop challenging you.
I don't like to quit really because the more i play the more time i get to download them such as playing them in Marvel and such and SF but i really lose the motivation when you get generic teams or generic characters who use the same things to get a win and try to taunt or teabag you and when you play them again they either quit or they lose. I'm trying to learn characters but when I go online all i see really is Hulk/Sentinel teams or Blankas and Ryus... its sad
Now what if a person has a random internet eff up and forces them out of the match or offline or a black out and the next time the play they lose and they get demoted ......
bulbasaur90 How about penalizing rage quitters by adding a match quit to their record? The record of someone who rage quits quite often could read something like this: Total matches: 1000 Wins: 400 (40%) Losses: 300 (30%) Matches quit: 300 (30%) I'd imagine a record like this would likely be more far more stigmatizing than a low win percentage. Even without making any moral judgement calls, you'd know there's a 30% chance this opponent will drop on you mid-match. Whether his connection is prone to horrible lag or he just has a poor handle on his temper, I wouldn't want to play this guy.
I know this videos a bit old but I'm so glad I watched this. I've recently started okay Street Fighter x Tekken and I'm trying to learn Cammy and Ibuki. Online I just seem to be a hot mess and sometimes get lucky with one or two wins but it frustrates me that I lose to people who spam a move on me that I can't get out of. I didn't rage on but tried to find a way to get around it.
1. you want to learn and get better others want to play many games instead of 1 2. matchmaking sucks, you know if i play online as a noob my opponent needs to be a noob to and not a pro i'm somebody who plays for fun.. i play wwe 2k15 and people who use running attacks just play boring and only care about winning not about real wrestling and use different moves so yes then i have the rights to quit. noob vs pro is not a option if i can not do 1 move it's just fuck u and disconnect. IT'S VERY NORMAL then if somebody disconnects you want a free win? as long you can't see you win or beat a A.I player then you not beat anybody get it? noob vs pro does not deserve a point for winning to sorry. you play hardcore others casual. better they make a casual ranking and pro ranking.. if you win too much you can't enter casual untill you keep losing in pro/hardcore
Someone winning because they play to win in a game where your goal is to beat other players does not give you the right to quit. in fighting games, you try to beat the other player, meaning you usually play your best. Why would you not?
pascal tettero If you're a noob, the ranking system should give you opponents with a similar skill. But when there aren't enough people with your skill online you will get opponents that may be better than you, there is no other option. If you notice that there are to many good players online just go to the practising mode and play singleplayer. But when you start a multiplayer game remember that there will always be a risk for you to loose against another person, so if you can't handle it and it makes you feel so uncofortable that people exist who are able to beat you or even easily beat you without you being able to do 1 move, maybe you shouldn't start a multiplayer game then. If you think rage quitting is "...VERY NORMAL" and you "have the rights" to do it, you are simply deluding and comforting yourself, so that the fact of you being a coward is not as uncomfortable to you. Have a good day Sir.
Great Analysis keep up the good work helps me look at how rage seems to mentally distort a situation to make you view it wrongly. Even though I never rage quit online it still helps me rise farther in what I do because to be good at what you do you have to be able to learn how to face and deal with losses.
ok so i been trying injustice online and i admit im a noob, i am not a fighting game gamer, but i enjoy both injustice and ultimate marvel etc. i havent come across rage quitters yet (i never beat anyone bad enough... yay my two victories) but i get spammers all the time. sit in corner of map and spam missiles or interactables etc. cant do anything to recover. how do i deal with these ppl/strategies?
Loved this vid because it spoke about a lot of things that have tempted me about rage quitting, but I've never done it before. I always feel I join a fighting game "too late" and then wouldn't be as good as everyone online, but that's just fear really. It tempts me to rage quit but never too badly like anyone else. A forfeit button would be cool though.
What I really hate is when you do a methodical application of basic moves and they don't know how to punish it (if they know how you obviously switch gears) some people will think you're "cheating".
We live in an era of online gaming where some people won't even believe you if you tell them you've never ragequitted. While getting angry at games is understandable, it's worrying to see so many players adapt to the idea (and preach) that ragequitting is totally acceptable.
I have to admit, it's a guilty pleasure of mine when I record a RQ, but that's only because I have a capture card. I feel bad for anyone else who simply get's disconnected, and has to hope that the next guy won't quit.
I'll admit that I've RQ'ed before a couple times in my life in either Online matches to fighting games or online fps sessions. Am I proud of it? No, but at least I admit that I did it and I'm bettering myself because of it. Usually whenever someone RQ's on me, I sometimes ask if they disconnected unintentionally due to the net-code or if they hit the home button on accident because that happened a lot when I played Naruto:UNS4. I don't really give people shit or belittle them when they RQ on me because then I'd be as big of a hypocrite as LowTierGod, the best ragequitter on Earth! Instead, I just shrug it off and move on. Maybe they had a long day at work or just have some pent up aggression, it doesn't justify the RQ but I can at least sympathize with the reason as to why.
Its because on online fighting games such as street fighter,mortal kombat,ect nobody likes one sided matches where they have aboslutely 0 chances of winning a fight at all because the other person knows all the combos right out the gate and button mashes. so if i feel that in ANY multiplayer game that a one sided fight is full of bullshit and its a waste of time and effort to get stomped on 20 times over, im going to leave without any regrets. im not going to force myself to stay, "accept" 5 losses because of a massive skill gap, then be mocked and ridiculed for being a shitty player just because people think i suck at the game. imagine if this were a competitve leauge and you lost every single match even if you tried, people would kick you out of teams, and bar you from participating just because they think you will never "git gud" and improve ever. tldr:you will be a laughing stock as that one person who always loses regardless of who it is he/she is fighting. ragequitting doesint net you a loss on your stats, so of course people do that. Improve the matchmaking, and maybe then people wont leave mid match. its compareable to destiny/destiny 2 putting random people in pugs vs fireteams of 6 pro people with mics in skype.
I am of the totally opposite opinion. If you don’t want to play with someone you should be allowed to withdraw consent.
The only time a rage quit irritates me is when it is a close game, that is just disrespectful. When an opponent rage quits when the battle is one-sided, I just think its funny. Post game trolling might happen as well.
When the match is laggy and they disconnect, then Its fine. I understand.
Karasu I don't understand the lagging either, there's no telling what's causing it, so blaming the other player is pointless
*cough* Low Tier God
+Jeff Clark such an LTG callout xD
It's toxic behavior. It deserves to be called out.
+Jeff Clark GET THAT ASS BANNED
JT GET DAT ASS BANNED
Go by my CFN lmao. "Ragnaroid, whatever the fuck your dumass name is, get that ass banned!"
There seems to be a very very small group of gamers in the world who have any idea of the concept of honor. When you are bested by your opponent in competition, it is honorable to let him take the victory that he deserves. Have some respect for your fellow competitor who's giving it his best the same as you.
Personally I don't care for things like ranked history such as a win/loss ratio. If someone rage quits, that's a win in my book. Still, rage quitters should receive the most severe punishment a game can offer. Especially in competitive games where upholding sportsmanship and honor should be a pivotal tenant.
Agreed. This is the first time that I've heard about the Injustice 2 ranking system, but WOW did they screw up that ranking system. Like what developer would think that rage quitting should equal a double loss? It's stupid
Fuck "honor." Let me forfeit and stop wasting time.
Pariah6950 I look at it like this I do quit but its like bowing out and just moving on.... I don't scream and swear or send hate mail, or even throw things I just put my controller down and move on with my day. But I do see what your saying tho
Dman4901 same here. There is no point in continuing a match that you know you are going to lose.
Honor goes both ways. There is no honor in beating a guy that you outclass by miles.
Samurai Shodown 4, 5 and 5 Special featured suicides/honorable death moves that could be done at anytime. That definitely needs to be made mainstream in the fighter genre.
Wait, why does the rage quitter get a win?
+Kashaku3 Same bs happens in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom online
Abigdummy4life that game hella old it doesn't get any patches
Souja Boy King Of Dracos #Bompton l im weak😂
Rage Quitters are pathetic imo. Best thing I can think to do with them, is stuff them all into a 'Rage Quit' lobby, where if you disconnect a lot you get dumped there with all the other cowards.
That's actually a really good idea
believe it or not one of the mvc games actually implemented that feature
ToxicPhantom
I think a few games have actually, but it could stand to be more common
+Lunar Templar rage quit lobby - priceless love it - but there is a problem with that yeah? Fighting games if you rage quit it should be progressively punishing aka first time it happens fine 1 rank lost 2nd time? 2 ranks 3rd time 6 ranks that way people will not want to rage quit to save stats. To fix your ranks if you had a bad connection you would have to appeal the rank loss by sending a pack trace to the game devs to prove you have a bad connection and are not just faking it. That might be better.... might..
Now in other games this will not work as well but for fighting games rage quitting simply should not give the player a zero stat it should have a loss if they leave and not get any rewards of any kind.
+Lunar Templar Other games have done this, such as dota 2. It works pretty well. So applying the same idea to street fighter or something would probably work pretty well.
I agree, doing a comeback is like the best part of any fighting game
The Forfeit idea is Genius! I've played every fighting game on my channel and plan to make my own some day but even I haven't ever thought of that! What an idea!
I really wish they added a forfeit button, usually the quit button is the forfeit button, but you know if they added like a forfeit animation specific to every character in a fighting game that'd be awesome. I for one still usually don't forfeit, because it's not over till your health bar reaches zero, but a forfeit button would be cool for players who want to leave but also don't want to be complete dicks and ragequit like crying babies.
Headchrusherdeth You're on to something there, most sports do that so it's about time fighting games implement it even though the rules are "It don't stop until the health is zero" there comes a point in the match when you realize you're not good enough to beat the opponent and the opponent even knows this. It's an inevitable win and it's one reason I don't take electronic sports seriously.
Hey you predicted the quitality in mortal kombat
These rage quit losers keep appearing in my KI games. And the worst, the poorest losers are those that have just beaten you. Let me explain, often I'll be matched up a second time with the same person that beat me earlier, then once I start winning they rage quit on me to retain their ranking. Absolute bastards. Everything else I really enjoy about KI, hopefully DoubleHelix does something about this behavior.
At least in 3S you still get the 40 points toward your rank as if you won the match. That's how it should be across all games.
GroovinFunk NOt quite.. they should get negative rank for it. Yes, occasionally some of is is legit, but given them a reaosn not to rage quit.
Great video Max, hit the nail on the head on a multitude of subjects.
The fact that Injustice punishes rage quit victims but not the rage quitters themselves is just sad. There are so many factors that make this game great, but the online is flawed from the ground up.
I really like the idea of a forfeit or concede button. I don't think anyone should feel trapped playing someone they don't want to. It allows them to leave while showing that their actions still have consequences, they still lose and the opponent still wins. Or sometimes the connection makes you want to eat your hands, so a loss would be preferable to slogging through it. Also shout outs to MK11 for quitalities I really like how that's handled.
Keep fighting the good fight max, I hope one day not too far into the future we can resolve these issues and enjoy these games more.
IF you get pretty much perfected comboed from one side of the screen to the other it's not fun, they need a casual mode and ranked mode online.
Exactly, nobody likes being stun-locked by a godly player who knows every single tiny thing about street fighter and all the combos.
Best example of that idea I know of would be Smash 4 For Fun/For Glory. Then again I never actually played Smash 4, so I dunno if it was any good.
I really like when games have this disconnect percentage displayed on player cards.
Even though disconnects do happen unintentionally by net error, but in this case if people only get those once in a while disconnects it won't affect the percentage. If somebody has a percent or more it's easy to see that wasn't just due to net errors, but to rage quitting. There's also a way to redeem this.
I invented the reverse rage quit to solve this problem. beat someone really bad and when they are about to lose just quit. it REALLY pisses people off
lol never thought of that
getofred651 you are Godlike or are you a godesslike😂
Now what if they lose their connection or their power goes out? You really have to think about things like that. Games will still punish you though because they don't know what's going on outside of their perspective
I'd rather forfeit if I know I dont have the skill to win the match. If it's relatively even sure I'll play it out. But if I know I'm going to lose I'd rather just get the early loss.
How do you stop yourself from getting frustrated/Rage Quitting in a fighting game?
u have to understand when gaming fighters that there's always gonna be someone much better than you regardless. I've played ki online once and when undefeated at least 60 pulse times. I finally lost to a dude. rematch, lost, rematch, lost and so on. we became online friends and we always game ki and till this day I haven't won one game and its been over two years. I know I'll beat him on day but no by "rage quitting"
I don't care to much about winning, but I still find myself quitting in Naruto Ultimate ninja storm 4 occasionally when i'm fighting someone who just runs the entire match which can last 9 minutes across 3 rounds and sometimes I leave in the very rare case of lag.
I never quit when I played Street Fighter 4 or Tekken, so I don't see why Naruto is so much worse and I've taken some ass beatings and those games and still managed to enjoy myself.
Wait WTF you get a loss for YOUR opponent quiting what kind of backwards ass shit is that
This is why I don't really play fighting games competitively online anymore. I'm by no means a great fighter. Just ok. There would be times when I would train in a fighting game for hours each day after loosing many times and never giving up only to have a multiple wins taken away from me due to a rage quiter. What's the point accepting your looses and enduring all that emotional pain only to see no results in the ranking due to a quiter? It's demotivational and ain't worth it.
I hate it hen you absolutely destroy someone and then theytalk shit to you like you're the one who ragequit
check out low tier god on youtube. he will fill you with lolz.
This has been my absolute favorite video by far for his subject. I cant begin to mention the lack of ranking I had with my 3 weeks of Injustice just to sell it and trade for the Vita version. (less rage quitters on portables...who knew?). But yeah in fighting games and matchmaking like Dark Souls series this is a constant issue.
They need to do what xenoverse 2 is doing, first time they rage quit redname them and take all their rank points every time they quit rage quitters have no place online so humiliating them with a red name and zero points will let other people kno what they're getting into before the fight starts
But then there's the problem with those who disconnect because their ISP went down, or they don't have the best internet. You'd be punishing the innocent just because they are stuck with AT&T instead of Comcast.
Bakatyler Comcast is fucking AIDS.
Mental Agar They all suck. But at least it's not fucking AT&T. If Comcast is AIDS, then AT&T is, like, Super AIDS. With sharks.
Bakatyler Nah, comcast will throttle your ass into tears
Mental Agar And AT&T sets an internet usage limit but doesn't warn you that you're about to reach it until after they've charged you for going over the limit.
At least with throttling we weren't charged for using 50 GB (which is seriously not enough now-a-days. I reached that limit just by downloading TitanFall).
Like I said, they both are terrible, but I'd prefer to have Comcast.
As much as I hate ragequitters i understand when people quit sometimes. For instance I'm pretty damn good at UMk3. Not a lot of people can compete with me and if I run into someone who is clearly just learning they have basically no chance at winning. It's annoying waiting 20 minutes for a game then they quit right away but it happens. i don't get mad. However it bothers me when the person quits, then feels the need to send me hate mail afterwards.
I suck at mvc2 as I'm just starting to learn it, but I dont usually ragequit, even if my opponent is teabaggin me hard. Why dont i quit? Because I want to get better! Even if I have no chance of winning I can at least begin to learn how to counter a high level player.
Pfft, sometimes I fight with someone better than me, but I still take the loss, quiting is just fucking sad, and even more when he kicked your ass in the first round.
That reminds me how I just beat an Oni player with Dan in the first round and he automatically just quit. Like 'Screw that,I'm not losing to no clown.'
ViewtifulShishigami Some people take the game WAY too serious....the only good reason for rage quitting is that is they get paid each win, and if they lose, they get fired...if not....then they're just a bunch of pussies.
I Actually Made Amy Rose Rage So Bad That She Rage Quit I Was Rolling On The Floor Laughing Hahahahahahahahahahahaha It Was Even Funnier When ***** Made ***** Rage Quit So Bad That Knuckles Broke His Controller And Rage And I Was Laughing Uncontrollably
Shut up.
U Mad Bro ***** I Think Knuckles Is Mad Now
Online Pokemon had a system where if you disconnected from a match, you weren't allowed to connect to another match for one hour, which I think would be a good system for fighting games. You rage quit, you can't play again for a bit. Maybe just like 5 minutes for a once in a blue moon thing so you don't punish legitimate problems like a fuse blowing or something too hard, but if it becomes a trend, you get barred from playing for progressively longer.
What if you have shitty internet and it disconnects or something happens in real life that results in your game crashing or losing connection, it seems pretty brutal to not allow another match for another hour after one disconnect. But yeah, rules needs to be put in place for this.
OtakuShepherd Well he said that it would be like 5 minuets for once a blue moon stuff like random internet dc and crashes.
He obviously haven't faced shitty internet before...
OtakuShepherd Well if you have shitty internet, then it can be argued that online may not be the best mode for you lol
that's an unfair statement. Plenty of people want to play online with other people whether it's just friends or the internet. Sometimes the connection is just bad because their service provider is a piece of crap. I'm just saying the rule shouldn't be so harsh. :P
This is why so many people hate the too much invasive DRM. Because they can't play if they have shitty internet. Which is ridiculous.
if you rage quit, or get power diconnect or anything like that. Then you should take a loss.
chris sanders If it's not something under your control then you shouldn't get a loss for it. If you're winning and your internet dies should you take a loss?
Dylan Cross ...yes. If your connection's unstable then you shouldn't even be online really. The person who's able to keep playing consistently and with no interruptions deserves the win.
@@commonbridge4150 L take.
For definite there should be a cap on how much disconnects you can have the you are banned from online. If you're disconnects keep growing your time extends.
+Dympna Varma yeah or heaven forbid the company put forth the effort to find the person doing it and ban them .
If I were to make a game, I'd implement an in-battle penalty system if you rage quit enough. Like, your character's speed is lowered significantly if you rage quit 10 times, and more debilitations will stack when you rage more. It'd be a good way of saying "You lost, deal with it and stop being a baby."
Something Something that's a great way to get people to drop your game like a hot potato.
i love when i play ranked injustice and the guy im fighting has more disconnects then i have total matches played. there needs to be a steep penitently when u quit.
What should happen:
Upon ragequit, you get a loss, your opponent gets a win, and you're blocked from online play for 1 hour.
+OroCrimson I thought something similar... but that would suck if you got disconnected because your connection just failed
PsychoholicSlag83 Yeah but at worst you're off for an hour. Probably could give the game a break at that point anyway. Usually connection problems present more on the way.
+OroCrimson why the ban?
Gives time for your net to get over whatever hiccups are going on. It's unfortunately common that someone on a weak connection will continuously connect to games and disconnect from them. Often times connection issues fix themselves over time and giving that hour keeps from someone super-bumping their own loss score. Also keeps people from boosting.Random Man
I like the concept, but if there's no way to distinguish between a disruption in the service and a rage quitter, I think a 1 hour ban is too harsh. I think an easy solution is to set up an alert...if your opponent has had more than 5 disconnects in a rolling last week, then the system should give you an option to play against opponent or not. That way, if a player had a random DC related to their ISP, then it shouldn't impact them. If their ISP is spotty, then this will give them a chance to fix it and resume play without a penalty....if the player is rage-quitting then they'll be effectively banned by the community because the alert will pop up and most players in ranked won't want to risk playing against a rage-quitter. The alert will stay in place until they have less than 5 DCs in a rolling week.
Black ops 2 did something similar, but when teh lobby went down due to the guy backing out, it also applied the penalties to other ppl for backing out/quitting.
You can't police people's minute actions. Quitting or Rage Quitting is something that should be overlooked and/or ignored. If anything it should be a compliment to the other player who didn't quit because while you didn't "kill" (defeat) you opponent you made them "retreat" (quit).
People quit for more reasons that just anger. Maybe they have been irritated by other players who have been talking crap after beating them and think you're the next douchebag to put new salt into their old reopened wounds. So just say to yourself that the other player "is just having a bad time right now" if he quits on you.
linux750
linux750 wow.. thank you.. a sensible human being with actual sense. :)
I have a question. Can you do a video about the difference in using a controller and a fight stick in fighting games? I am from the Oldschool where I always play with a controller. I didn't get to the arcades much in my youth, so I pretty much took to the console versions of the fighting games more. Now that the arcades are almost gone, I notice that fight sticks are all the rage, and that I find myself pressing the buttons on my controller rapidly and my executions are not fully responding. Is there a difference in button command timing from between a controller and a fight stick?
one of the bigger differences is that an arcade stick lets you have 1 hand dedicated to movement and one for the buttons, in most fighting games with a controller you don't have enough buttons to dedicate 1 hand per movement/buttons. Hope it helps a little
Things that ruin fighting games is lag and try hards that spam to win. Which is the reason why it hate playing online. They need to make AI a lot smarter
WTF is a tryhard? As if trying to get good at a game is a bad thing. Dudes who you say "Spam" probably beat you. If you're getting beat by the same thing over and over the problem isn't the opposing player. It's you.
Mostly I don't get caught in spam but its just why do this? When I beat them they give me rage messages. I tell them spamming cant make you better. But whatever there's always going to be a spammer. I'll just have to deal with then
Nicholas Harris its called counter picking, its like in street fighter 4, an abel will win like 99% of the time against a dudley because dudley simply doesn't have any moves to counter abel while abel has a billion counters for dudley. thats the problem with games that have a lot of characters but yeah you could still win but the odds are against you
Marty Ruiz He wasn't talking about counter picking. He was talking about "Spammers" and "Tryhhards". And counter picking isnt an instant win if you aren't a good player. I suspect that nobody here is that great to begin with (I'm not either) but don't complain especially if you don't have a scene or never play real people and only play online. The average online warrior tends to not be very good anyway.
couldn't agree more max. had a guy rage-quit on me yesterday in injustice by triggering his super move and then quitting while the super move cinematic was playing!
There does need to be some kind of honor in playing fighting games, be it casual or competitive. If you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. Good game, would play again, live and learn, all that noise.
However, I will admit I have ragequit more times than I like to share. Mostly it comes form demoralization after losing so many times in a row where I just go "Fuck it. I'm done." That being said, there should be a better form of punishment for ragequitters. Like you said in Injustice, the other player RQing causes YOU to lose. That is bullshit. If anything it should be the other way around. I did see someone say there should be a mechanic that says "If you ragequit you can't play for X amount of time," and the more it happens, the more time is added. It would certainly keep frequent ragers from building a fake win/loss ratio (and for someone like me, it'd give that person time to cool off).
Funny story. You get booted for periods of time for forced disconnects/ragequits in Smash Bros. on Wii U or 3DS.
Except a lot of winners don't seem to have any of that honor.
Every Take player I've faced has been so arrogant.
True. That's why after my short lived experience with SCV online, I left online fighters altogether. Too much toxicity and elitism for my tastes.
I think you will find many fighting games with combo systems tend to suffer the same trend. Some characters have very few combos and maybe one or sometimes two that are really affective. It's kinda your responsibility to find ways to shut these combos down and punish. Playing multiple characters to learn their strengths an weaknesses really helps.
If they’re on 80% health and I’m on 10% and they tea bag me and throw a stream of zoning. I’m out
I got rage quitted 2 times today, a joker only doing only crouching 2, I use raven and got tired of him doing that so I countered it with her down forward two, he didn't want to block and rage quitted. The other one was an aqua man that only wanted to smash the glass in the corner of Atlantis so I did the down forward 2 and he kept trying to break the glass so he rage quitted. I don't get frustrated with this kind of stuff but it is annoying.
I've taken many butt-kickings in fighting games its much more honorable.
ugh...I had some rage quitters tonight in persona....it's really frustrating when you're finally starting to turn your game around and when you finally manage to pull a win it gets robbed from you.
I rage quit occasionally, I'm here to play a fighting game and have fun. If my opponent uses cheap tactics, a clearly overpowered character, or is so much better than me that I'm just watching someone do a combo video, I'll quit, I'm not here to watch people play.
That's just stupid. By saying "I just want to have fun" you mean you just want to win, no matter what. If there is a dude better than you, you just consider them as a combo video. And when people use cheap tactics, all you have to do is change playstyle. It's all about knowledge and patience. To win you need to earn it, not wanting it.
I unfortunately do this at times before but i learn to just accept it after a while
If I'm gonna lose I just toss the controller aside and make a burrito
Azure exactly no disconnect and I dont waste time
Max you should discuss in game gimmicks for fighting games, like PSAS and Smash bros have environmental hazards. Injustice has interactables. And SFXT tag mechanic. I notice a lot of tournaments turn off things like this because of its element of randomness but i believe it could add to the hype of the game
Rage quitting is just poor game design. Developers should simply give the player who quits/disconnects the lost, even if the disconnect wasn't his/her fault. By not doing so, they are encouraging sore losers to rage quit.
omg this happans a lot as yoshimitsu player, first 3 rounds, i feel him out. next 3 i do my routine and often times its a 3-0 with a rageuit at the end.
Oh OK, the game must give you a pleasure to play it. When your opponent has confirmed a single hit and began a combo, which took a 100% of your health, here is no pleasure in such a shitty game with such a shitty combosystem. Of course i gonna quit that kind of match. I definitely don't want to give my opponent a satisfaction of beating me by ToD. Fuck him.
Max I totally agree with your feelings. I've given up playing Online rank matches mainly due to Ragequitting. I'm just looking to enjoy playing the game.
It is fun to watch people leap off a cliff when I'm winning in Smash. I usually run after them and try to spike them.
that's mean.
If someone's kicking my ass, I stay there and fight the losing battle because I'll learn something from that fight.
Running away from the fight isn't going to help you get better. Stay there, try to learn a cool combo or try to understand why you're losing, or study your foe so you'll do better in the rematch.
+Chad Serrant It's also important to fight to the bitter end. I have Cockroach won matches through a combination of dumb luck, ingenuity, and determination against all odds. If you don't fight with 100% effort, you don't get your chance at glory.
Chad Serrant Insult to injury... Oh I like you lol
The only part that I REALLY raged quit, was in Street Fighter IV the first. Late at night and screaming at the TV because I had no idea what I was doing and people were kicking my ass.
sounds likes what lowtiergod does to me
Get that ass banned!
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MrWrigh no entertainment for that ass.
thank you max for making this video. hopefully ppl see this and understand why ppl like me cant have fun in fighting games.
3 things to take in for this issue.
1* If the person leaves that's part of the game but if the person turns his console
or closes the program/ unplugs his internet that's just bad sportsmanship.
2*Leaving is ok if versing some one using a lag switch or with bad connection and or
if spamming.
3*The only other thing that can justify leaving is if you just got the game and lets say you have played 1 match and the system puts you against some one who has played 59,000.
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Well said Max. A forfiet button or something similar should get implemented as online fighting games evolve. At least i hope so. Good luck till then!
I admit I am a frequent rage quitter. But I have been trying really hard not to leave the match prematurely...
If I'm know I'm going to lose I just give up and let them win dont fight a losing battle its meaningless
Max speaking about forfeit button reminds me about Samurai Shodown. Since some versions of that game actually have a forfeit button and most of the characters will commit suicide when you press it. IIRC, it gives an advantage for the next round though
Unless something happens outside of the game, there is absolutely no excuse for rage quitting. Be it a lame spammer(Deathstroke I'm looking at you) or hardcore lag, just wait for it to be over, and be mature about it.
fuck that,I rather turn off the game than play a spammer .
i don't know about lag, I played a game where one jab or move taken 8 to 10 seconds. Do you expect me to sit there and waste time on an unplayable match? Waited a very long time for it to fix itself but eventually quit as the connection didn't disconnect. That was the only time i ever rage quit, and it wasn't rage just unplayable lag. I learned my lesson never to go against a 2 bar connection after that. The worst connection i ever seen.
Very true max, this is why i'm subscribed to you. You're like the person i would be if i were ever to make videos for myself. Very entertaining stuff as always!
i agree that rage quitting is for people who cant take a loss cause they believe they are hot shit. it should be common knowledge that in fighting games you are not the best at it ever!! even pros lose at games they are considered gods at. Rage Quitters need to learn how to take their lumps and learn from it instead of just pulling the plug and in the next game fall victim to the same thing they were losing to when they did rage quit!
Very good points!
I've lost honorably and tried to learn from it to get better. Repeatedly. It doesn't work.
Earlier I was playing an Endless Battle in USF4 where I was just trying it out after I got the game just less than a fortnight ago. I only have 92 PP and the guy I was about to fight had about 4000 PP. After he'd finished his match with another guy and it was his turn to fight me........HE KICKED ME! I've no idea why when it would've just been a swift victory, but he just out of the blue kicked me!
Bad matchmaking causes rage quitting
fighting people who damn well know they can beat you causes rage quiting
Lag causes rage quitting
people rage for alot of reasons its not just one
Azure literally all of that is being a child not wanting to take an L. You can learn from a loss. Input lag and frame delay can help you learn to understand player mentality, frame counting, and reading since you have to catch the non lagging player off guard. every loss is a chance to get better but it's easier to get frustrated and quit than it is to put your tryhard pants on and still lose
As my buddy put it regarding UMVC3, "I didn't pay 60 bucks just watch my character get bounced around for 2 or so minutes while I wait for chance to actually use my controller. If I'm not having fun, I leave." Honestly, I can't disagree with that logic; after all, it was his money, and now it's his game, so he's free to as he pleases with it. BUT there is a really, so incredibly non-offensive solution to this that honestly, I'm sort of shocked it hasn't been brought up yet. If you're just not getting how the game the works, especially one as unforgiving as UMVC3, and you are getting constantly destroyed, and you're dropping on people, PROTIP *****PLAY THE GAME OFFLINE******. Just play offline; thre is no shame in that. Work your way up. Figure it out. Learn to enjoy it. Play it locally with friends. I don't know. Maybe that might help.
Rage quitting is perfectly valid. I paid for this game to have fun. If I'm getting my shit wrecked CONSISTENTLY, I am not having fun, thus I leave. All this talk about "honor" and "sportsmanship" is bullshit. I don't care how 'honorable' you think I am, I want to WIN. All these people that bitch about rage quitting are almost always assholes that rag on other people that they beat. You don't learn shit from getting hosed whenever you try and take a step. You don't learn anything when you get speed blitzed as soon as the match starts. You don't learn anything from getting smacked around by people that are eight times your level after having started playing like a week ago. Miss me with that bullshit.
i was so sad today, i was playing Injustice, and I was getting a comeback after being at less than 3 hits away, as i hit my super move to win the match he rage quit. that was my first experience with the rage quit in Injustice, got a loss for it and I just lost all hype for the day :/
You know bra forfeit button is actually a good idea
+Elijah Pittman No it wouldn't because then you would have the problem of people 'boosting' which Max also mentioned.
Jazz Bass boosting what status or ego
Boosting is an exploit where people will set up multiple accounts to play against one another to get easy wins to 'boost' rating on their main account. So if you were to have a forfeit button it would make it a lot easier for people to do this.
Jazz Bass I know what boosting is dude what I am asking is Are they doing for status or ego
Jazz Bass you know what dumb question both
2K Football was the best at dealing with rage quitting. They didn't take care of it straight out of the box mind you but when someone would lose their connection on purpose or not they would get a loss and the other person would get the win. This cut out a lot of rage quitting once 2K Football figured it out. 2K was doing this in the early to mid 2000s so all these other online games should've took a page out of 2Ks book.
The penultimate word of the video title is superfluous.
+Friedrich Nietzsche It's even worse in MMO's because balance there actually sucks. You'd have classes dedicated to single target small scale fights lock down one target and time the stuns correctly, not get the burst damage off thus being at a disadvantage (critical hits are luck based), then disengage and people complain. Then such classes get nerfed and it becomes all about cheap condis and AoE's.
Fighting game losses by comparison always feel much fairer since the blame is on the player himself and not on bad teammates or rely on luck of the draw randomly bad compositions.
i frequently send a message after a person quits on me asking what happened (if i can tell they quit i ask them why they quit). sometimes i get ragemail, whatever it happens. but even still i invite them to play a few more games and even offer to show them ways to improve.
because of this, i met and helped about 20+ people stick with soulcalibur 5 until they could play decently and enjoy the game more. it feels great to know you're having a good time as well as the other player too.
You cheating yourself rage quitting , if you're doing to save rank you don't deserve to be at that rank
Jason Bustamante how? Why continue to get pummeled and not learn anything?
Because it's getting pummeled that helps you learn.
Tsumugi Shirogane you're right. I've got another month of play under my belt and I have gotten better. And I've stopped rage quitting. Now when it's lopsided I just put my controller down and let my opponents take the w and exit the match afterwards. Then I watch the replay to see where I messed up.
Ah, that is a very good response. I had started playing before the online fighting game boom, so losing was something I accepted. I view matches like a teaching lesson, if you pay attention close enough, you learn the weakness of your opponents and your own.
Yes. Rage quitting is wrong. But the problem is that these games do everything to encourage it. This will stop rage quitting (for the most part). A Get rid of the ranking system. B. Just record the number of wins without worrying about streaks. C. Award fight money to BOTH the winner and the loser to get new outfits. THIS WAY, THERE WOULD BE NO POINT IN RAGE QUITTING. Sure, some people would still do it. But there would be no reason to. What's the point of rage quitting if there's no record of it, and you're still going to get some 'fight money' anyway?
I completely feel you on this one. Another game genre is sports games. Seems like my win lose total is terrible because unless I am getting blown out in the game, they will quit on me so I only get my ass handed to me over and over which is very frustrating. Especially when you finally find someone that you can beat, then they quit before the match counts. bogus.
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the super smash bros handels this problem really well cause if u drop out too much /rage quit then the opportunity for that person to play online is suspended for a limited time
getting your ass handed to you is right of passage.you learn more and get better quicker by playing with the best people you can.you make greater more impactful adjustments faster then play with people exactly at or below your skill.
Yeah.. there may be another problem with INJUSTICE. I looked at my stats..and it says I have 27 disconnects.. and I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER rage quitted on anyone. Does anyone know what causes this?
So if you rage quit, the OTHER person loses? How does THAT make any sense?!
That's what I'm asking
I can understand ragequitting isn't acceptable, but I'm not perfect. When I encountered a spamming Axl and Potemkin in GGST online I just couldn't. I wasn't mad necessarily, but I closed the game when I saw what was going on. Also in SSBU, I closed the game when I ran into corny Kirby's, Mario's, etc. I try not to ragequit, but when I'm playing a fair neutral and my opponent isn't it's hard for me to not do that
To me rage quitting is fine.. as long as I don't get penalized for the other guy quitting and takes the loss and I take the victory. To me if I'm winning so hard to where he don't stand a chance then just quit and find another match and take the loss cuz he gonna lose anyway.. so I really don't understand why people bitch bout ppl quitting when you need to bitch bout the flaws of the game on what happens when someone does.. if someone quits fine?? Wgaf? Get the hell over it if it didn't have any negative effects on you.. if it does then blame the and devs and not the player.
Hateful_Jac Did you even watch the video?
Hateful_Jac if you cant take a lose then whya te you playing the game? If yoh dont adjust then you will do the same shit over and over agian and will lose all the time. Rage quiting is stupid because it promotes a coddling behavior. People,"bitch" because you took their win from them and you lost your opportunity to come back and win. Rage quitting affects everyone involved. Period
what sucks is my wireless resetting all of a sudden when Im playing SFxT or the battle is cancelled due to severe lag and I get a 200bp deduction bcuz the system thought I rage quit
One thing is losing and another thing is to be destroyed :D
+Luis Mediavilla still no reason to rage quit.
rage quitters are still rage quitters no matter how you slice the cake the main difference is that the person that doesn't rage quit has more sportsmanship and more determination to get better
I agree with you
michaael stanfield not even remotely true. I rage quit plenty of times yet I still study what I did wrong in the match and hit up practice mode. If a match is so one-sided than there is no point in continuing it.
Alex Melendez in cases where I am completely out matched I just put the controller down. They still get the win on their record and I can do something else.
King_Kovu I've been doing that lately
thanks max,for bringing the issue of rage quitting to a bigger audience.im sure everyone has had this happen on more than one accation and just the amount of frustration it causes it needs to be taken into consideration,all these game developers claim that there community is great then do nothing to penalize those who abuse it.the fact they cant handle a loss just so they can stay on the top of a leaderbord is just pathetic so i hope more people see how this is effecting the online community.
How to stop raging in video games..... go play demon/dark souls That fixed it for me
anyone who's played a souls game knows that heartbreaking feel
Souls games are the surefire way to judge if you're a coward or if you can take losing. Nothing brings it out of you more than getting TWoP and 4v1 murdered by Havel Moms with Gold Tracers. You can either disconnect and go bitch about it on Reddit, or you can shrug it off and say "hey, that was only about 30 seconds, and it was out of my hands that I died there" and simply keep going.
thing I hate about sfxt is that if my Internet comes across a spike n disconnects me or same thing with a power cut
I lose 200bp for nothing to do with me
the game takes it as me rage quitting and im like 'NO' my Internet cut out
sooo the makers need to do something about that
hell just give the other guy more bp n give me a loss score instead of throwing me back 200 points
Has nothing to do with anger. Some people don't want to get combo'd through the whole fight and never have a chance to do anything. Getting your ass whooped by a no life sucks and doesn't help you get better at the game despite what no lifes like to say.
+Nick B Calling them No Lives further proves the point here. If you get bodied in a match by somebody who's better, that's a good thing because you're job to figure out what your problem is. If you don't take the game seriously than you shouldn't be playing online at all period. Offline is probably better for you.
Tyler Knox Old comment but that is bull. Nobody made you in charge of who fights online.
7:04 to 7:30, that's the main reason I don't go near online in fighting games at all. What's the point of learning to play certain fighting game & get better if players are going to rage quit every time things don't go their way? I can say the same thing about sports games as well. Shooter games are the worst when it comes to rage quit. Good video.
Why the hell does the other guy quitting give you a loss? What a terrible game.
Also, all these people claiming they have to rage quit because of "spammers" lol. If you can't beat someone, you suck guys. Sorry to be the one to tell you this. There is no "wrong way" to play a game other than hacking it. If these "spammy" characters can beat your close range character from far away, why would they not just do that? Why give you a chance to beat them? That's retarded. If the best way to win is to play these "cheap" characters that you don't like... guess what, you're playing a bad game. Stop complaining about people doing the smart thing and winning the easiest way. OR find a way to counter them if they are so "bad at the game".
James Edward Smith Injustice's online does sound screwed up, but that doesn't make it a terrible game. Don't be so mindless.
NEON 7 Maybe you should be less mindless and read the rest of my post instead of ignorantly complaining about the first line?
James Edward Smith
I'm not being mindless, nor am I be ignorant & I dislike people who complain & try to make their opinions fact. Yes, I did read your post & just because they want to choose a character that they don't like, doesn't mean the game is bad.
James Edward Smith I disagree. "Cheap" players are what ruin the game especially if you're a beginner, it ruins the game and learning to get better. They are able to be countered, it's not impossible to beat them if you're skilled enough but I think it's unfair for beginners trying to learn a game.
JACMIC22 you get better at games by learning how to beat people. You stay bad at games by complaining that anyone doing something that beats you is "being cheap". The sooner you learn this, the better off you're going to be in life in general. Stop complaining and demanding that other people stop challenging you.
I don't like to quit really because the more i play the more time i get to download them such as playing them in Marvel and such and SF but i really lose the motivation when you get generic teams or generic characters who use the same things to get a win and try to taunt or teabag you and when you play them again they either quit or they lose. I'm trying to learn characters but when I go online all i see really is Hulk/Sentinel teams or Blankas and Ryus... its sad
PSN USERS: JAW919 / JAW910 AND YOUNGJC13 ARE RAGEQUITTERS IN STREETFIGHERXTEKKEN
Now what if a person has a random internet eff up and forces them out of the match or offline or a black out and the next time the play they lose and they get demoted ......
I think rage quitting should be penalised in banning the user.
Perma ban is too harsh, but a 24h ban in MP? Why not.
yh
bulbasaur90 How about penalizing rage quitters by adding a match quit to their record? The record of someone who rage quits quite often could read something like this:
Total matches: 1000
Wins: 400 (40%)
Losses: 300 (30%)
Matches quit: 300 (30%)
I'd imagine a record like this would likely be more far more stigmatizing than a low win percentage. Even without making any moral judgement calls, you'd know there's a 30% chance this opponent will drop on you mid-match. Whether his connection is prone to horrible lag or he just has a poor handle on his temper, I wouldn't want to play this guy.
Bill Mason That's a good idea.
what if your internet fails?
I know this videos a bit old but I'm so glad I watched this. I've recently started okay Street Fighter x Tekken and I'm trying to learn Cammy and Ibuki. Online I just seem to be a hot mess and sometimes get lucky with one or two wins but it frustrates me that I lose to people who spam a move on me that I can't get out of. I didn't rage on but tried to find a way to get around it.
1. you want to learn and get better others want to play many games instead of 1
2. matchmaking sucks, you know if i play online as a noob my opponent needs to be a noob to and not a pro
i'm somebody who plays for fun.. i play wwe 2k15 and people who use running attacks just play boring and only care about winning not about real wrestling and use different moves so yes then i have the rights to quit.
noob vs pro is not a option if i can not do 1 move it's just fuck u and disconnect. IT'S VERY NORMAL
then if somebody disconnects you want a free win? as long you can't see you win or beat a A.I player then you not beat anybody get it? noob vs pro does not deserve a point for winning to sorry. you play hardcore others casual. better they make a casual ranking and pro ranking.. if you win too much you can't enter casual untill you keep losing in pro/hardcore
Someone winning because they play to win in a game where your goal is to beat other players does not give you the right to quit. in fighting games, you try to beat the other player, meaning you usually play your best. Why would you not?
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If you're a noob, the ranking system should give you opponents with a similar skill. But when there aren't enough people with your skill online you will get opponents that may be better than you, there is no other option.
If you notice that there are to many good players online just go to the practising mode and play singleplayer.
But when you start a multiplayer game remember that there will always be a risk for you to loose against another person, so if you can't handle it and it makes you feel so uncofortable that people exist who are able to beat you or even easily beat you without you being able to do 1 move, maybe you shouldn't start a multiplayer game then.
If you think rage quitting is "...VERY NORMAL" and you "have the rights" to do it, you are simply deluding and comforting yourself, so that the fact of you being a coward is not as uncomfortable to you.
Have a good day Sir.
Great Analysis keep up the good work helps me look at how rage seems to mentally distort a situation to make you view it wrongly.
Even though I never rage quit online it still helps me rise farther in what I do because to be good at what you do you have to be able to learn how to face and deal with losses.
Injustice and MK encouraged it way more with the leave game button at the pause menu online. Like what else is it going to be used for?
ok so i been trying injustice online and i admit im a noob, i am not a fighting game gamer, but i enjoy both injustice and ultimate marvel etc. i havent come across rage quitters yet (i never beat anyone bad enough... yay my two victories) but i get spammers all the time. sit in corner of map and spam missiles or interactables etc. cant do anything to recover. how do i deal with these ppl/strategies?
Loved this vid because it spoke about a lot of things that have tempted me about rage quitting, but I've never done it before. I always feel I join a fighting game "too late" and then wouldn't be as good as everyone online, but that's just fear really. It tempts me to rage quit but never too badly like anyone else. A forfeit button would be cool though.
What I really hate is when you do a methodical application of basic moves and they don't know how to punish it (if they know how you obviously switch gears) some people will think you're "cheating".