I think vertical mounts also help with how dusk settles in the GPU: When horizontal it will rest on all horizontal surfaces (most of the heat sink, fans and circuit board) while in vertical it will settle in less areas. Could help with cooling if the side panel is mesh
That presumes you don't blow the dust out on a regular basis before it could even remotely affect temps. I guess some people don't ever change the oil or filters in their car either.
Cool idea for a video, but the test hardware makes the test irrelevant. It needs to be done with a 4090. It’s the only way you could possibly draw any conclusions.
I absolutly love it! As i have the same case and GPU, please tell me, what are your temps like 🙈 i am too afraid cause the 4090 may run hot.. also how did you do your airflow, thanks in advance ❤
No card does good with ray tracing, wish people would stop trying to include it in testing. Only way a card doesn't suck ass with RT is DLSS or FSR either one isn't real frames.
*If you're serious about making the top of the case as an exhaust, then vertical mount is the way to go, other wise when the card is in load, it'll direct the hot air to the glass side panel of the case*
I would hardly call a drop from 69.2 to 66.3 a considerable decrease in performance, especially as without a frame counter you would not know the difference.
It makes sense tho… the riser cable tanks bandwidth just a tad since you are passing data through the riser cable & into the gpu & back into the data pool. 3 fps loss is nothing tho so it’s passable
@@nflikt just for the record though, I'm using the 011 dynamic and the space between the glass and the card is very good. On a tighter case of the fans are too close to the glass it's my guess it would run a little hotter. However, I don't know that for sure.
Hm, how do I put it in easy words. Bigger Distance = slower - latency = losing performance. That's also the real difference vs intel and AMD Ryzen CPUs, the chip design. I mean it's easy to understand, it's also physics^^
So the way electron flow in a wire works is that individual electrons actually move pretty slowly, but as an electron moves, it moves adjacent electrons. The net effect is that electricity moves very near the speed of light. One light millisecond is ~ 182 miles. So if your riser cable was 182 miles long, you'd introduce around 1ms extra latency. 4-6" is not going to be measurable with consumer grade equipment.
More concerned about the temps than performance or looks in this situation. Assuming you've had it hooked for 6 months like this, you should've also done temp checks for a while to see if anything changes or goes potato. Dust is a freakin' killer no matter where it goes.
Temp specs are more depndend on your case and vertical mount Adapter. Water cooling works best but If you want to keep your system easily accessible you can easily go with normal air cooling on anzything up to 3070s IF it isnt mounted too close to the Side panel
Very dangerous video. The majority of risers are very low quality and people will loose a lot of performance. Good belt riser costs not less than 80 bucks.
The riser in the video cost $60 and it's a very good riser cable. That included the 011 Dynamic vertical mount adapter. You can get a nice PCIe 4 riser for considerably less then $80. However, how is this dangerous?
@@CyberCPU People use to by similar but cheaper stuff) I tried a bunch of expensive risers and they are not the same. for example Radeon 6900 xt doest not work with this riser. I would say your vidio is eductional with comments on riser prices, its length and precautions about expensive GPUs. Thanks bro, i am you constant fan)
@@CyberCPUI have seen just recently a video on TH-cam older than yours that warns that using riser cables results in some combinations of GPU cards and motherboards not to work. And in many cases when they do work, it is because the pcie bus has degraded itself to gen3 and thus halving the bandwidth
I do like the looks but I am too old fashioned for it.. I'm one of those that don't like change unless it for performance... But I know other people like it and care about the way their PC's look. Not that I don't, because I do.. Then, There's the other side who go small form factor and just jam everything in that they can fit.. I've always been a Mid to full ATX guy.. I love tempered glass, Ex, I have the White Phanteks P500A and before that I had an NZXT H500 white case.. Me Personally I just see another point of failure when I look at a riser cable or any other cable thats not needed... That's how I look at everything that I build and Buy, I look for weakness, or the week Link.. A riser cable is just another point of failure to add to the already many points of failure... No offense to people who use them. I get it though it looks great and to each his own.
Wauw, first notice, I had the same GPU a month ago, till it exploded, the ASUS 5850 TOP was a great GPU for the time. But it exploded on the PCIe on the power side, I could prevent a lot of damage, but it took the older PSU in its fall. Now I use a riser many months, never had issues with it, it's mounted on an EK universal PCIe 4 bracket.
I don't understand how using a riser cable would make any kind of difference in performance. It's basically just an extension cord to the slot slot so you can mount if vertical. In my case I'm planning on mounting vertically to get rid of the noise caused by trapped bubbles in the sub-par AIO setup EVGA sells with their hybrid kits. Someone suggested I try it, and find it ridiculous to have to use the pump bypass thing to get my pump to stop sounding like a vibrating dildo when I'm browsing the Internet. I get excellent temps in no matter what game I play, so I won't go back to the typical air cooled setup. 60C tends to be the maximum. Also, not interested in spending hundreds extra for one of the specialty AIO solutions that probably don't offer much better cooling than what I get.
My mount is adjustable, So my fans aren't directly facing the case pushing hot air onto the glass. It shoots upwards at an angle where my top/rear mounted fans pull all that air out. I didn't do any experiments or anything, but logically, you'd think that it helps with keeping the GPU temp down to an extent.
You held that card by the GPU pins when you removed it and when you re-installed it You're a very bad boy - apart from sweat contamination on the pins, you'll get away with it most times until one day a static discharge will result in no boot screen. Don't show newbies bad habits ! Personally I reckon a riser-card is a waste of time and money and in some cramped cases could result in less fresh air cooling to the GPU which is the expensive component you want to protect as much as possible.
Instead of looking at frame rates, you should look to see if the degrades the communication bandwidth with the GPU or if the bus has to drop to Gen3 to be able to communicate via the PCIe. This degradation to Gen3 might not affect the frame rate of games. But if we are using the GPU for massive parallel program running (data crunching , data science, etc ) then a bandwidth degradation might be to half the bandwidth.
riser cable? I have a case, cube formed, in which the motherboard is mounted flat. No need for a riser cable but i can't really find any new cases for sale in which the mobo is mounted horizontally. With how big GPUs are nowadays i really feel like sagging would be an issue.
I wonder what the longest Riser cable there is. I would be more interested in having the entire GPU Externally from the Main PC case. so its not affected by the heat buildup in the rest of the main pc case.
@@CyberCPU i went back and watched your review video on that case :) , are you concerned with it being a 750w supply now that the new GPU's are so power hungry?
@@ricardoa1661 no, not really. The power supply has plenty of power to run what I'm currently using and if I have to I could upgrade it later. Silverstone makes a 1kW SFX supply that I could use of I needed it.
@@ricardoa1661 When I put the system in this case I did everything I could to not use the 011 dynamic because everyone used the 011 dynamic and I wanted something original. I kept coming back to it because it fit everything I wanted. When I finally relented and bought it I found out why everyone uses it. It's truly an amazing case.
Oh hi. I was in hospital "kidney surgery" I am pissed off because I missed your videos. I will see them all NOW. How many videos are posted? Please advise!!
"I NeEd AlL tEh FrAyMrAyTs!!!1!one! *installs 5 riser cables in a daisychain* "Hey, why won't my system turn on?! 😂 This video was really well done, thank you. On a sidenote; that first screwumdriver looked suspiciously like the free one you get with a Sceptre TV. If it is we're screwumdriver twinzies! Lol.
Actually that screwdriver is when you get at the checkout counter at Ace hardware. They are the coolest screwdrivers I've ever bought. Unfortunately they're red. I found some black ones that are similar a few years ago but the red ones are still better.
his pc did some background work during the normal test. all those differences are within margin of error, if he did those tests twice he'd get the same oscillations within the same tests.
I've always thought that risers cable length is meaningless as distance is so little. What I've been curious is that could it be possible to cause odd system behavior with them in correct situation. That meaning ie. excessively noisy psu or other component that could possibly create field of effect. In theory to my knowledge it could be possible, but in practice? Don't have a clue. I know for fact that it's possible to get faulty readings on sensors if incorrectly shielded cables run near power lines. I think the correct English term is inductance for the phenomenon? Anyway, even in if it would be possible, I don't think it would be shown in fps, but severe system instability.
To give you an example of how temperamental components can sometimes be, other TH-camrs have reported that overclocking while wearing a wireless lapel mic can make an overclock unstable. My lapel mic is connected to a recorder that I sync in premiere during post, but TH-camrs that use a wireless can actually not be successful with overclocks they were able to achieve off camera but can't on camera because of their wireless lapel mic.
@@CyberCPU One of my biggest gripes about buying a new video card is finding one without the bling, lights, and cool (yet very impractical) casing designs of them.
Heya, Thats a great idea for going 4.0 on the cable. Back in 2020 I built a 3rd gen Ryzen system with a 4.0 mobo. This October when the AK PFD checks hit our accounts Im buying a RX 6700XT And since you put up the video about different Hrz monitors Im sold on getting a 27 in 144hz gaming monitor. Love the channel as always. BigT,Alaska
Damn, you described the sponsor really professionally. I subscribed by your description. You nailed it..But now I find it difficult to participate in Adobe programs because they are expensive. I am watching Adobe tutorials..
Not a fair comparison. Test was useless. 3rd gen on a 4th cable is not a way to test. Should have used a 3rd gen cable for real world comparison. Massive FPS hit.
I think vertical mounts also help with how dusk settles in the GPU: When horizontal it will rest on all horizontal surfaces (most of the heat sink, fans and circuit board) while in vertical it will settle in less areas. Could help with cooling if the side panel is mesh
The distance from the side panel is one of the issues. Luckily I have a very spacious case.
That presumes you don't blow the dust out on a regular basis before it could even remotely affect temps. I guess some people don't ever change the oil or filters in their car either.
Cool idea for a video, but the test hardware makes the test irrelevant. It needs to be done with a 4090. It’s the only way you could possibly draw any conclusions.
GPU Vertical Mounts look the best when the GPU is water cooled!
You know what, we might have to do something about that. Stay tuned for an upcoming video.
Haha gfx card go vrrrrrrrrrr
I absolutly love it! As i have the same case and GPU, please tell me, what are your temps like 🙈 i am too afraid cause the 4090 may run hot.. also how did you do your airflow, thanks in advance ❤
why are you not measuring temperature difference as well?
No card does good with ray tracing, wish people would stop trying to include it in testing. Only way a card doesn't suck ass with RT is DLSS or FSR either one isn't real frames.
As expected no performance boost , but good to see that this cable is good
*If you're serious about making the top of the case as an exhaust, then vertical mount is the way to go, other wise when the card is in load, it'll direct the hot air to the glass side panel of the case*
While this kind of deep dive is way above my pay grade, I love watching and absorbing what I can.
And your happy, grinning face leaves me smiling too.
Glad you enjoyed it.
plus, you're going to need a case that has room etc. for this purpose
True. The 011 Dynamic was literally made for this kind of configuration.
I would hardly call a drop from 69.2 to 66.3 a considerable decrease in performance, especially as without a frame counter you would not know the difference.
Yep, I mentioned that at the end of the video.
It makes sense tho… the riser cable tanks bandwidth just a tad since you are passing data through the riser cable & into the gpu & back into the data pool.
3 fps loss is nothing tho so it’s passable
Riser cable is good for inside desk mounted system, to keep low profile, something that DIY Perks built...
Great video. Would of been even better if you included thermal performance in the results.
It was exactly the same. Didn't I mention that in the video? I could have sworn I did. Sorry about that.
@@CyberCPU oh, maybe i missed it. Thats good to know then. Thank you!
@@nflikt just for the record though, I'm using the 011 dynamic and the space between the glass and the card is very good. On a tighter case of the fans are too close to the glass it's my guess it would run a little hotter. However, I don't know that for sure.
@@CyberCPU thats perfect thenim running a O11D XL 😁
This is why I like horizontal mobo mounting cases. No need for a riser cable.
That's definitely another way to go.
Hm, how do I put it in easy words. Bigger Distance = slower - latency = losing performance. That's also the real difference vs intel and AMD Ryzen CPUs, the chip design. I mean it's easy to understand, it's also physics^^
So the way electron flow in a wire works is that individual electrons actually move pretty slowly, but as an electron moves, it moves adjacent electrons. The net effect is that electricity moves very near the speed of light. One light millisecond is ~ 182 miles. So if your riser cable was 182 miles long, you'd introduce around 1ms extra latency. 4-6" is not going to be measurable with consumer grade equipment.
been debunked already by linus
More concerned about the temps than performance or looks in this situation. Assuming you've had it hooked for 6 months like this, you should've also done temp checks for a while to see if anything changes or goes potato. Dust is a freakin' killer no matter where it goes.
Temp specs are more depndend on your case and vertical mount Adapter. Water cooling works best but If you want to keep your system easily accessible you can easily go with normal air cooling on anzything up to 3070s IF it isnt mounted too close to the Side panel
Very dangerous video. The majority of risers are very low quality and people will loose a lot of performance. Good belt riser costs not less than 80 bucks.
The riser in the video cost $60 and it's a very good riser cable. That included the 011 Dynamic vertical mount adapter. You can get a nice PCIe 4 riser for considerably less then $80.
However, how is this dangerous?
@@CyberCPU People use to by similar but cheaper stuff) I tried a bunch of expensive risers and they are not the same. for example Radeon 6900 xt doest not work with this riser. I would say your vidio is eductional with comments on riser prices, its length and precautions about expensive GPUs. Thanks bro, i am you constant fan)
@@CyberCPUI have seen just recently a video on TH-cam older than yours that warns that using riser cables results in some combinations of GPU cards and motherboards not to work. And in many cases when they do work, it is because the pcie bus has degraded itself to gen3 and thus halving the bandwidth
Did the temperatures increase or decrease with the new set up?
Didn't make much difference. I did it specifically to water-cool the GPU. That definitely brought the temps down a lot.
What brand riser cable is that?
ohhhhh. you still have that GTX card behind you? I have a great nostalgia with it..let it there dont remove it please.
I do like the looks but I am too old fashioned for it.. I'm one of those that don't like change unless it for performance... But I know other people like it and care about the way their PC's look. Not that I don't, because I do.. Then, There's the other side who go small form factor and just jam everything in that they can fit.. I've always been a Mid to full ATX guy.. I love tempered glass, Ex, I have the White Phanteks P500A and before that I had an NZXT H500 white case.. Me Personally I just see another point of failure when I look at a riser cable or any other cable thats not needed... That's how I look at everything that I build and Buy, I look for weakness, or the week Link.. A riser cable is just another point of failure to add to the already many points of failure... No offense to people who use them. I get it though it looks great and to each his own.
This one has a future purpose. A vertical mount makes a GPU easier to water cool. 🤫🤫
@@CyberCPU Like I said I get it.. It's just not for me.. But great video..
Wauw, first notice, I had the same GPU a month ago, till it exploded, the ASUS 5850 TOP was a great GPU for the time. But it exploded on the PCIe on the power side, I could prevent a lot of damage, but it took the older PSU in its fall. Now I use a riser many months, never had issues with it, it's mounted on an EK universal PCIe 4 bracket.
I don't understand how using a riser cable would make any kind of difference in performance. It's basically just an extension cord to the slot slot so you can mount if vertical. In my case I'm planning on mounting vertically to get rid of the noise caused by trapped bubbles in the sub-par AIO setup EVGA sells with their hybrid kits. Someone suggested I try it, and find it ridiculous to have to use the pump bypass thing to get my pump to stop sounding like a vibrating dildo when I'm browsing the Internet. I get excellent temps in no matter what game I play, so I won't go back to the typical air cooled setup. 60C tends to be the maximum. Also, not interested in spending hundreds extra for one of the specialty AIO solutions that probably don't offer much better cooling than what I get.
That does look nice in that case..
My mount is adjustable, So my fans aren't directly facing the case pushing hot air onto the glass. It shoots upwards at an angle where my top/rear mounted fans pull all that air out. I didn't do any experiments or anything, but logically, you'd think that it helps with keeping the GPU temp down to an extent.
Are you dumb the fans are meant to cool your gpu itself and they shoot out the top
You held that card by the GPU pins when you removed it and when you re-installed it You're a very bad boy - apart from sweat contamination on the pins, you'll get away with it most times until one day a static discharge will result in no boot screen. Don't show newbies bad habits ! Personally I reckon a riser-card is a waste of time and money and in some cramped cases could result in less fresh air cooling to the GPU which is the expensive component you want to protect as much as possible.
I forget what GPU is that and at what resolution??
It's an EVGA 3060 XC black.
question can CPU make find diff cause some games are more CPU usage
Yes, the CPU often makes a huge difference. My system is currently quite CPU bound. At some point I plan to upgrade it.
Instead of looking at frame rates, you should look to see if the degrades the communication bandwidth with the GPU or if the bus has to drop to Gen3 to be able to communicate via the PCIe. This degradation to Gen3 might not affect the frame rate of games. But if we are using the GPU for massive parallel program running (data crunching , data science, etc ) then a bandwidth degradation might be to half the bandwidth.
riser cable? I have a case, cube formed, in which the motherboard is mounted flat. No need for a riser cable but i can't really find any new cases for sale in which the mobo is mounted horizontally. With how big GPUs are nowadays i really feel like sagging would be an issue.
So basicly riser cable has no effect on performance TY
In my case it didn't seem to.
...but, is there any huge difference with a PCI 4.0 motherboard? This what i guess makes all the difference here
What’s the name of the vertical mount you used? Wondering if it’s compatible with 6700xt as well
I wonder what the longest Riser cable there is.
I would be more interested in having the entire GPU Externally from the Main PC case. so its not affected by the heat buildup in the rest of the main pc case.
Thanks for the information! (PLZ shave this thin beard)
hmm where is your psu hiding?? that is a gorgeous setup
It uses an SFX power supply mounted right behind the motherboard tray.
@@CyberCPU i went back and watched your review video on that case :) , are you concerned with it being a 750w supply now that the new GPU's are so power hungry?
@@ricardoa1661 no, not really. The power supply has plenty of power to run what I'm currently using and if I have to I could upgrade it later. Silverstone makes a 1kW SFX supply that I could use of I needed it.
@@CyberCPU this case might be my next build :) thank you for your replies and awesome content
@@ricardoa1661 When I put the system in this case I did everything I could to not use the 011 dynamic because everyone used the 011 dynamic and I wanted something original. I kept coming back to it because it fit everything I wanted. When I finally relented and bought it I found out why everyone uses it. It's truly an amazing case.
Oh hi. I was in hospital "kidney surgery" I am pissed off because I missed your videos. I will see them all NOW. How many videos are posted? Please advise!!
You're not behind schedule :)
Yes yes I'm talking about that GTX above those controlpad.
I actually saw an increase in temps by about 3C. I also added an AIO in my PC which might be hindering air flow to the GPU..
with that weak gpu what games you play ?? retro only ??
"I NeEd AlL tEh FrAyMrAyTs!!!1!one! *installs 5 riser cables in a daisychain* "Hey, why won't my system turn on?! 😂 This video was really well done, thank you. On a sidenote; that first screwumdriver looked suspiciously like the free one you get with a Sceptre TV. If it is we're screwumdriver twinzies! Lol.
Actually that screwdriver is when you get at the checkout counter at Ace hardware. They are the coolest screwdrivers I've ever bought. Unfortunately they're red. I found some black ones that are similar a few years ago but the red ones are still better.
And the kidney Operation made me somehow behind the schedule
Can I use it on my wang for better vertical performance?
now do the test on a case with a side intake vent fan!
I don´t see how there can be an increase!?
his pc did some background work during the normal test. all those differences are within margin of error, if he did those tests twice he'd get the same oscillations within the same tests.
Well I’m buying one 😊
I've always thought that risers cable length is meaningless as distance is so little. What I've been curious is that could it be possible to cause odd system behavior with them in correct situation. That meaning ie. excessively noisy psu or other component that could possibly create field of effect. In theory to my knowledge it could be possible, but in practice? Don't have a clue. I know for fact that it's possible to get faulty readings on sensors if incorrectly shielded cables run near power lines. I think the correct English term is inductance for the phenomenon? Anyway, even in if it would be possible, I don't think it would be shown in fps, but severe system instability.
To give you an example of how temperamental components can sometimes be, other TH-camrs have reported that overclocking while wearing a wireless lapel mic can make an overclock unstable.
My lapel mic is connected to a recorder that I sync in premiere during post, but TH-camrs that use a wireless can actually not be successful with overclocks they were able to achieve off camera but can't on camera because of their wireless lapel mic.
@@CyberCPU oh wow
Sure, but can they see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon toast crunch?
🤔
@@CyberCPU One of my biggest gripes about buying a new video card is finding one without the bling, lights, and cool (yet very impractical) casing designs of them.
@@captainspire9094 Then you will love my next video.
@@CyberCPU Let me guess, 100 watts just to power the LED Lights?
@@captainspire9094 you will have to wait and see. 😉
Heya,
Thats a great idea for going 4.0 on the cable.
Back in 2020 I built a 3rd gen Ryzen system with a 4.0 mobo.
This October when the AK PFD checks hit our accounts
Im buying a RX 6700XT
And since you put up the video about different Hrz monitors
Im sold on getting a 27 in 144hz gaming monitor.
Love the channel as always.
BigT,Alaska
Glad it helped. I have another monitor review coming out in a few weeks. Keep an eye out for it.
Damn, you described the sponsor really professionally. I subscribed by your description. You nailed it..But now I find it difficult to participate in Adobe programs because they are expensive. I am watching Adobe tutorials..
Not a fair comparison. Test was useless. 3rd gen on a 4th cable is not a way to test. Should have used a 3rd gen cable for real world comparison. Massive FPS hit.
Do people who do this also put see thru hoods on their car?
I've had cars with no hood before if that counts. 🤷♂️
@@CyberCPU 😆
gaming is more then average FPS.
the los and latencys are way more interesting