This is the first undervolting tutorial I've seen that doesn't tell people to reduce their clock speeds before peak voltage, which would make GPUs actually consume more power when running less demanding games. Cheers for that!
@@jgvtc559 I do it same as shown in this video. In the case of my 3060 it's 925mv@1965mhz. Raise the voltage point you want to be your peak and flatten everything beyond it, leave the lower frequencies untouched. My problem with most tutorials is they recommend starting with negative offset for the entire curve, which is garbage if you don't only play games that always max out gpu.
@@Broformist hi bro. I'm only starting with undervolting and now have gotten my 3060 ti at 1850mhz/900mv. The only thing is in all the tutorials I saw the start the curve with -250 like you said. Can you tell me what's actually being done there. That's the method I followed as well.
What's being done there is every voltage below your chosen peak one is underclocked, so now your gpu will be forced to jump to higher voltages in cases where it didn't need to before, just because it lacks the clock speed on a lower voltage point. Do it the way it is shown in this video, much better.
There's a place for the highest FPS and clocks possible. Competitive benchmarking is actually a lot of fun. However, when I just want to sit down and play a game I want it to be stable as a rock.
YEah, that is totally true. My 3070ti performs SO well at 900mV/1965 but when I bump it to 925 with higher clock it runs noticeably worse. It really comes down to frametime more than average FPS.
Im a noob when it comes to this stuff but I tried following the steps as best I could from videos on TH-cam. My 3080 12GB model would always hit and stay at 83c when gaming. The core clocks would be around 1980-2000. After messing with my case fans and GPU fans I got it around 70c but my pc sounded like it was about to take off lol. So I tried undervolting and came to 1920 core clock at 850mv. I ran a few benchmarks and played some ray tracing games and no crashes and now my GPU is around 65-67c while playing the same games.
@@thurstoid9811 BS. I've been overclocking for 20 years. You want as many Volts and Watts as you can throw at the card. There are 3 factors. Watts. Volts. Degrees. If you're just a pleb running stock fans then we can't even talk. aa
I have a helios predator 300 315-54 rtx 3060, and I undervolt mine to 850 at 1960 and see significant fps gains while having a -10 degree reduction at all times, definitely helps with gaming laptops
The issue with MSI Afterburner not setting the right frequency is not the program fault. It's all because of how Nvidia GPU Boost works as it sets the clocks according to the temperature. What you set in MSI Afterburner will stick at the same temperature range. But if the temperatures is different, the frequency will be slightly lower or higher as well. I always set the frequency at say 40-42 degrees Celsius or even under 40C. For example, in my case I want 1800Mhz at 0.825V for my 3080Ti. So I boost the fans to 100% while setting the profile and set 1770Mhz at 0.825V when GPU is under 40 degrees in MSI Afterburner. This way the GPU will boost initially to 1770 at around 50C and lower. Close to 60C it will boost to 1785 and over 60C it will hit the 1800Mhz that I want. Considering most heavy games will stress the GPU a lot and it will warm it to over 60C you should hit that 1800Mhz most of the time. This way I am sure I won't get a frequency that's too high that might crash my GPU. I don't know if I explained it in a good way but it took me a while to figure out myself why MSI was not setting the frequency that I want. Hopefully the example is much easier to understand.
Well I found a solution through experimenting with it! Just use the core clock slider instead! Then flatten the curve on the target voltage. I made 3 profiles on mine and it's consistent. Try it out yourself and tell me if it works for you.
In the clock graph you can leftclick on a point then control+shift+enter and type in the Mhz you want to reach instead of manually sliding it. So shift+leftclick every point you want to change then click on a point ctrl+shift+enter. Just wanted to share that! I have undervolted underclocked my nvidia mx150 2gb laptop and because of it I can run fortnite on 60fps on a laptop that on stock settings would overheat if even running it on 30fps. It's great for some situations!
@@rahul-qm9fi I kept it at about 1250Mhz while using the minimum amount of voltage. Underclocked Mhz voltage and overclocked memory. Also undervolted the CPU.
Hi! Thanks for the video. Though I haven't yet watched it all, and moreover - I've already undervolted my GPU, I wanted to share that for me personally the main reason to undervolt was not the desire to get better performance (I have 3090). Nor even I needed lower temparatures, because my PC is water-cooled. I realized I literally needed to lower the power consumption. And while doing it and researching how much and at what circumnstances my PC consumes power, I was shocked. I never measured these things before, and I couldn't even imagine how much (really much) PC can drain power for doing virtually nothing. I then simply tried to scale the problem to the global PC market, and it becomes really scary to realize how much energy is wasted for nothing world-wide. Especially if we take PoW-miners. And here comes understanding why any software, especially computationally heavy, must be optimized. I mean just algorithmically. Just for example, some dry numbers. When I first measured consumption of my PC, it was a whooping 190 Watts at idle on Windows (under Linux it was 220). After some investigation, I just killed some LighningService (didn't needed it, cause I turned lights off) - it was consuming 20W for literally nothing. Shortly before that I killed some ASUS service (AsusSvc, or smth like) - not even sure how much it consumed, but sometimes it literally caused my PSU to go for emrgency shutdown 🤣I also did some other optimizations (including even turning off my desktop speakers, which consumed 7W for nothing while just being idle). As a result, I went from 190W to 130W with totally not effect on my usual experience. It's actually still pretty much, but I'm not sure yet what esle to optimize, and my PC is a powerfull workstation, so in general it's kinda normal to consume more than an average PC. Or imagine now a huge horde of a gamers world-wide, playing lots and lots of hours per day in sum. 3090, of course, is not the most widely spread GPU for just gaming, but I'll still share my results of undervolting. At normal voltages, my GPU consumed 355W under a constantly running Heaven benchmark on extreme settings. After I did a simple undervolting, it became 307W without any decrease in the benchmark. That is a 13.5% reduction for free. Imagine if all the gamers around the world undervolted their GPUs? :) That could save a lot of energy. And what is also important - decrease the CO2-emission. Though I've never been a fanatical Greenpeace adhenerent and don't wanna seem to be it, but lately I realize more and more how environmental problem is much more acute than it seems at first glance, unfortunately :(
This is what I'm experiencing. I have amazing temps for my 3060 at 60-70c so not worried about temps but recently my computer has been rebooting itself and I believe it was power related. I had similar numbers of yours; going from 160-170w to sub 130w or so. Didn't see a huge hit in performance either(at least in benchmark) I also decided to plug in my computer to the wall; and not an old extension cable brick. So hoping for the best that my computer is stable now!
Consuming that many watts at idle isn't right, are you sure you don't have the frequency locked when you did your undervolt? There is an option to lock the designated clock speed all the time on Afterburner. Maybe check that to be sure. No way your GPU should be using even 100W at idle.
@@m3r762 Check to make sure you don't have your clock speed locked to your undervolt frequency. That sounds like what is happening. Afterburner has that option in the settings somewhere. Some people like it to further smooth out gameplay but it's a power hog.
I got the frequency jumping up or down when I save it as a profile too. I got annoyed by it but I found a way around it. What I did was instead of increasing the clock of the target voltage in the curve editor, I used the core clock slider instead then flattened the curve on the target voltage in the curve editor. So yeah consistent clock everytime I load a profile. Also the curve graph is smoother too. A win win solution!
Definitely recommend people giving this a shot. Especially if you enjoy tinkering. I’ve been undervolting a 1080ti for about the past year with great results. Only maybe a few percent increase in performance using Heaven as a benchmark but more importantly slightly lower temps, lower fan speeds, and more stable clocks.
It's definitely fun to play with but since my GPU is water cooled it didn't benefit me enough to go through the hassle of dealing with the temperamental curve editor every time I boot the system. However, that might be a different story if my GPU was air cooled.
@@CyberCPU so if i undervolt my gpu with afterburner i have to redo it every time i boot my pc? lol...i wanna try this with my new build with the 3090 but if i gotta fiddle with it every time i boot up than i prolly won't bother. lol
@@DiagolonRider you can set it to automatically take effect every time you boot up but I don't recommend it. If you ever have a problem with your overclock then your system can be unstable at boot up. I recommend manually setting the overclock before you play games. Otherwise you might have to boot into safe mode and uninstall MSI afterburner if you have an unstable overclock mess the system up. If you said it manually then you have the opportunity to adjust it before you apply it.
Okay, so...i decided to undervolt my Gigabyte RTX 2070 Non-Super since i had some temperature issues with it. All i did was to set it at 850mv (wich it seems to be quite freaking stable) and i now i get temperatures between 70-75C in full freaking load my guys. Yes, this is possible even with 30C ambient temps. I also played with the fan curve :D. It also helps the fact that i added 140mm fans on top, so now i have better airflow in my FSP 350 CMT case (front panel chocking it's not great). Thank you for your video as it helped me better understand MSI Afterburner!
If you have a laptop, that runs hot then it's worth it. Yes, under volting actually gives a benefit if you have a laptop, both temperatures and power consumption are reduced which saves a little more battery life. But anyone doing this should perform a GPU Stress test by running in game benchmarks or other stress testing tools etc. To confirm that there undervolting actually works without any issues.
Yeah, it's worth it especially if you have a laptop. Laptops usually run toastier that a desktop and let me tell you something: Repasting also helps if you didn't do it for quite some time. And for the love of god, please don't use a laptop in your lap (it will get hotter than a burning young sun).
I got afterburner to apply the profile the same every time with my 3060 ti by setting frequency in multiples of 15 which your setting of 1935 mhz is. Then if it keeps not applying that same profile causing you to have to apply it manually, go down to the next multiple so in your example I would set it to 1920mhz and that should stick. This includes the "set at idle temps" trick you mentioned.
Man what a GREAT video! I knew about underclocking but now I know a lot more about it! Im happy I stumbled upon your channel & it was a straight away 'subscribe'! Keep up the great work man! I'll have to redo my settings in MSI Afterburner after what I've learned!
GREAT tutorial. I was hitting a max boost of 1980, but it wasn't holding to it for long. I got 2002MHz@975mV and 8000MHz VRAM frequency. The temps went from 75ºC to 73ºC even with more frequency. I get to 72ºC if I lower just the clock back to 1980.
13:21 AMD GPU users can find out the necessary settings using MSI Afterburner, and then change the GPU settings using AMD Adrenaline Software, so you never need to worry about Afterburner altering settings on its own and having to redo the entire method each time. Or, even simpler, there is an actual "Undervolt GPU" in Adrenaline Tuning settings.
Very clear tutorial. But I think just checking if Heaven crashes isn't enough. I think you should look for artifacts. Those look like little blue squares that flash in some parts of the image (with my 4070, at least). In certain scenes it's much more noticeable than in others, and it's easier to see if you press the spacebar to pause the camera.
Of course, you should. My 3060ti Gigabyte Eagle OC at stock is loud and hot as hell (over 100 C at the hot spot). Tuned down to 850 mV, power usage set to 85%, bumped clocks a bit, fans adjusted with curve optimizer. Now is quiet, has 82 C at the hot spot, and is even a bit faster than the stock one.
This guy doesn't understand that the curve is dynamic, not static. It's not changing from where you set it. It fluctuates dynamically based on thermals. This is a function of the video card bios, not MSI Afterburner. MSI Afterburner is just reporting those fluctuations. 🤦♂️
Should I move the whole curve down so everything is more down not just if my pc is using high performance so it's like always an % less voltage?? Like CPU undervolting does that in the bios it's an % that goes away idk
Good intro explaining the mechanics behind undervolting, thanks for that. And I know I'm two years late, but yeah: Afterburner is a bit of a pain when it comes to manipulating that voltage/frequency curve ... glad it's not just me being butter-fingered.. :D That said: Judging from my own experience with RTX cards, I would probably recommend stress-testing in some sort of RT-benchmark, not just in Heaven. I undervolted my 4070 Super a couple of days ago and found that I couldn't go super low on the voltage if I wanted stability in RT-titles. My first, not overly ambitious UV (0.925V, 2700 MHz), seemed stable enough until I tried it in 3DMark Speed Way and Port Royal. Plus it also crashed Hitman after 10 minutes or so, which is an RT-title. Port Royal seems especially sensitive to unstable settings - I've used it while pushing the card to the limit (no undervolting) and it was always the first application to crash. My most ambitious OC-attempt for example seemed to run fine and passed the Speed Way stability test (20 loops) but then crashed Port Royal's stability test on the 11th loop. Still: Even with only 0.920V and 2600 MHz on my current undervolt, temps and power-draw have gone down quite dramatically for me. High to Ultra settings in Hitman at 1440p for example would result in well over 200W and low 60s°C core/high 70s hotspot at stock speeds while my (arguably pretty timid) UV caps that to ~140W and ~low 50s on the core and low 60s hotspot. Also: Don't forget to up your VRAM clocks while UVing. I have mine running at +1200 MHz in AB and it works fine.
I really like this video because it only modifies full speed voltage, I've seen other videos that move the entire curve causing, overvoltage for lower clock speeds which is a bad practice, this is definitely the way to correctly undervolt a card
To fix the changed preset simply choose to lower the clock speed by a 100 - 200 mhz and then apply the voltage to whatever point you aiming for at 1800 - 1900 mhz , that way it stays stable each time you load your preference
i've always recommended that people undervolt both CPU & GPU. been running the ol' reliable RX580 forever at either 1400mhz overclocked & undervolted at a 1075mv (-75mv) for games. it never goes above 72 degrees with fans around 1500 RPM. for long compute runs i run it underclocked at 1000mhz & undervolted to 900mv (-250mv) & it never reaches over 60 degrees with the same fan settings. saving a couple 100 watts is great as is for the power bill. but the best part is so much less heat. especially on hot summer days, every degree only adds to the misery.
There's a setting for voltage control. The checkbox was above the voltage monitoring. Why not just enable that & apply a negative offset? Why mess around with custom curves when you could apply the offset to the entire curve much easier?
@@clintcolombin Does it do the AUTOMATIC control too ? Or it always stays at that voltage in idle? Because if it doesn't go to idle voltage in idle you are wasting power. Curve editing makes that happen too. When it goes to idle it drops to 400 MHz 625mV. Does the thing you mentioned do this thing?
Because your GPU may require more Voltage and if it does it will stutter to all hell. If you keep the max voltage potential high it will have the ability to go higher in some frames without stuttering. The curve is just what it runs consistently on average, but there is always an exception and your GPU may require more power at times.
@CyberCPU Tech i think i know why you never could consistently save/load a profile if you set a curve in afterburner or change clockspeeds and hit apply and it does not apply exactly what you set that means you cannot set that specific clock speed go up/down 5-10 mhz and try again you will find values that consistently will save and are repeatable. i do not know why that happens i only know if you found values that are solid they work everytime.
I just undervolted my RTX 2070 Super Ventus via MSI Afterburner. The gpu temp dropped 10C and gives me some fps increase. I'm getting stable results so far in Stalker Anomaly and 7 Days To Die at 1440p. Man I wish I'd done it sooner.
Thank you for covering the weirdness of MSI Afterburner not always setting the curve to where you tell it to! This was one confusing issue when I started out and I wish that I had found your guide first!
Sir, you upload this just the day before i was planning to do it to my 3080 what a perfect timing. I tried before but it wasnt that great and i had crashes. Also do you have a stable frametime with no micro stutters ?
Does this mean I don't have enough power? 10:37:13 Connected to MSI Afterburner control interface v2.3 10:37:17 GPU1 : VEN_10DE&DEV_2204&SUBSYS_403A1458&REV_A1&BUS_12&DEV_0&FN_0 10:37:17 Start scanning, please wait a few minutes 10:57:22 Scan succeeded, average core overclock is 85MHz, memory overclock is 200MHz 10:57:22 Dominant limiter 10:57:22 Voltage 10:57:22 Results are considered unstable 10:57:22 Overclocked curve exported to MSI Afterburner
Great video gonna follow your advice my man. A little issue lm having though. been watching many OC videos and something lve noticed is that they never mention anything about the PSU l mean lm assuming that as long as it can handle your system that mean you can OC without worries but lm just concerned a little about that stuff as sometimes my PC shot down when gaming but supposedly should handle my PC with no issues. l have a Thermaltake 600w and an Rx570 8gb.
i used to get 83 degrees when playing RDR2 with ultra settings on my RTX 3070 and alot of noise ,then i undervolt it and now i get ~ 65 degrees same settings.very happy!
I have a pny 3070 it never gets over 63c for me and I don't have to undervolt it. Really just hit or miss it seems with the cards. Which model are you running. I think in your case undervolting the card is needed you getting close to the 90c mark. Maybe add some more fans to your pc for exhaust. Try running 3 to 4 intake and 2 exhaust fans.
Useful! But when i see the values of your afterburner : 53° at 1081 mv i just can say that on thoses news GPUs GDR6X, at 1000mv the temps are more close to 70° and the FANs starts to crying :(
@@CyberCPU ofc thats the ideal to all WC but you need a full AIO loop for this, i only have a Liquid Freezer II for my 13700K, i"m more thinking about copper pads perhaps...
As I tried it by myself, this can keep GPU stable when a game needs a high performance with a lower power, but the power consumption can get increased when the game does not need the amount of power which is set by MSI Afterburner. And when the game is not running on PC (idling), it costs more power consumption than non-undervolting. So, undervolting (with these settings) should be used only when we play games which require relatively large power consumption for the good performance.
Nope, it works same as before undervolting, you can even see it in the undervolting graph in MSI (ctrl-f), or in TechPowerUp you can see that at idle the GPU is barely using any power. You have to run the game or some benchmark program at 100% GPU usage for few minutes, before you click - apply the undervolt, the game has to be open and running in the background, not minimized, if not the graph will be messed up when you click apply, and it can use more power just by running the game menu, or some easy to run games.
@@1GTX1 You are right when PC is idling. But when I play a game which does not require more than 900mV (undervolt), the power becomes higher than without undervolt. Can we play such game with a lower voltage than 900mV when the game does not require 900mV? Or as long as we set 900mV, does it get fixed all the time even when the game needs, for example, only 800mV?
@@1GTX1 thanks for your reply. I just tried undervolt without pressing L in the curve editor so the voltage is not locked. Then, it does not stay at 900mV and it can get lower when the game doesn't need the power. Am I doing correct?
I think i just did the best of both world. I undervolted and overclocked (for said voltage) across the curve! My laptop has excellent thermals and can draw 140 watts so why not! (Rtx 3070 TI)
So first time undervolting, quick question about the wattage use. I was under the impression that undervolting would lower wattage use which I can see using the heaven benchmark (320W) but when using another like superposition using the same settings it jumps back up to stock levels (360W.) Currently running tests at 4k and settings are below. Gpu: msi 3080 gaming z trio 10GB Monitor: Odessy G7 28in 4k -300 to whole curve, clock: 1920MHz, 883mV Noticed 875Mv would not crash on heaven but would on doom eternal.
Make sure the settings are actually saving and that you adjusted the correct settings. It's impossible to say overclock a GPU or CPU and have exact same results, even if OC'ing only provides a moderate 5% boost.
What was your cards temp before undervolting? If you weren't in the 80c range. I honestly wouldn't suggest undervolting the card. You won't get a performance boost doing it, since it isn't temp throttling. Also there is other ways to increase the speed of your gpu. You can easily get it to pump out 15-25% more fps. I compared my tweaked card to a stock 3070 from rog which is best 3070 you can get for fps. I was 20 fps higher than just msi oc the card. Turn on re-size bar.
Hmm, I didn't undervolt or overvolt at all (voltage slider bar at 0), and I get 8101mghz (+1300) memory and 2175mghz (+210) CPU stable in all situations. Temps went from stock 40C to 50-60C under full load with fan speeds of 40-60% on Stealth Fan Curve. All with Precision X1. Power Target at 100 and Temp Target at 72C. Unity Heaven run in Extreme to max out the CPU. Now my 7950x I limit to 80C... to stay nice and chill... but my GPU I overvolt and keep it under 65C
@@CyberCPU She's good for the 2019 mid-range series at the time, But 6GB VRam is what makes her limited and whatnot. Hopefully, by October I be getting a 3070 or 3070 TI or maybe the price is right a 3080.. then again it's 50/50 at the moment with the 4000 series coming near, 4000 series would be the same price factor when the 3000 series was released but would end up costing more as I would need a new power supply as my 850W might be too small.
@@Empire24453 If the launch of the 3000 series was any indicator, the 4000 series will be just as highly sought after and hard to get, especially trying to compete with the bots and scalpers. If you can afford a 3000 series card now, I'd grab it.
I used to have an Inno3d 2070 X3 which is a sub 200mm twin fan card, under 80C 2500 rpm fan, over 80C 4300 rpm fan (jet engine). I ended up watercooling it because it was so loud and now I really wish I had tried undervolting it instead.
Thanks for such a great tutorial but one question, I assume this undervolting method/principle also apply to the rtx 20s or is it a different concept for that series? I have a 2080 and I am very conscious of its power consumption. In fact, I want to disable it when not gaming or video editing and have my pc use just the Ryzen 5600G APU which is very low power consumption. Is that possible?
I know this comment is a lil late but I was just wondering if this way will get my task manager to stop saying that my 3D is always at 100%. Thank you for the video.
I recently tried undervolting with my ROG RTX3060. It was fun to tinker but it's not much wattage savings and I have a 3 fan cooler so I just crank everything up and it never goes over 56c . Don't even have to mess with the fan curve. Informative video! Thanks for the tips!
I been playing with my msi ventus 3060 Ti OCV1 and I saw the biggest difference in temp when I got to .850mV .925-.875mV should be a sweet spot it will definitely lower your temps if you go under .900mV
When I drag and highlight everything to the right of the set point and hit enter twice, literally nothing happens. These instructions don't seem to work now.
When your 875mV was stable, does running games with Ray Tracing not have the ability to make it unstable if youre right on the edge of it being stable and not?
i was about to swap may auros 3070 to tuf 3070 just because of temps but i just cant let go of the aesthetic design of auros master so i tried undervolting and omg got 68c full load
Anychance you can do a video for a Geforce RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra Gaming? if you have one. my wont do anything in msi. Clock is at 1470Mhz, Mem is at 7000mhz, Volt is at 750mv. While gaming some games it hits the highest of 83c and some game its actually kinda of bad. but no matter what i do, for some reason it just wont work?
Anyone with issues of profiles not saving volts cores memory ect, Turn OFF link for temps and power on fan limits, Its a weird thing but having it linked stops profiles loading and resetting themselves on a pc restart.
just cannot get the voltage to show, please help! tried everything, checked all those boxes, restarted MSI afterburner, restarted computer, uninstalled & reinstalled, still won't show..
I undervolted my RX 7900XT it ran hotter than when overclocked all with adrenalin software ? Im really confused thought it was supposed to run cooler ??
There might be a little bit of drop of temperature due to convection because the GPU is producing less heat but nothing directly. In fact if your GPU limited and you increase your GPUs performance you might even increase heat on the CPU because it's able to work harder.
This all applies to a gaming laptop right? I have a MSI GP66 Leopard 10UG model. My 3070 keeps hitting temps like 75 and sometimes 78 when it never used to do that before. The thermal paste was replaced from the factory on warranty.
This is only worth doing if you card is getting high temps. If you sitting at 60-68c. Don't do this. What is the point. You getting performance you need anyway. Lowest the power draw isn't going to help you gain performance. It will actually limit your performance in most cases. If you card is getting very hot and having issues due to the heat. Than yes you will see jumps in performance, because of the temp throttle in the card. If you at 60c on your card with full power stock. No need to undervolt your gpu. It is working at intended and you won't get better performance doing it.
This is not true for all cards. For cards struggling significantly with power limits, it's objectively a better method than conventional OCing. I have a 3080 with a power limit of 350w and if I apply a standard OC, I run into that power limit immediately and gpu boost 3.0 begins to ramp down my OC. But when I'm undervolted, I consistently hit the clockspeed I'm asking it to run. For example, In Witcher 3 with a standard OC, my core clock ranges from 1860-1965mhz with temps around 70-75c. When undervolting to .856v, my core clock stays locked at 1950mhz as it's not power-limited, and temps drop to 58-65c.
@@TRH2243 dude wtf you even talking about. The limit standard of that card is 450W. If you are at 350w limit on that card. It means you aren't given that card the needed power it wants. So you have a under recommanded psu or your mobo is ass trash and isn't able to give the power needed to the card. So here is the real problem. You bought a 3080 with trash components. So you paid high end price for a high end card and pair it with low end parts. Trash builders like you are dog shit. You need to honestly stop putting together pc. You don't even research how to pair things right. I bet you have a 5600 paired with that 3080 on top of it. Because that is how rere trash you are.
For the cost of the 3060 and water block, you could have just got a 3070/Ti and got way more FPS for no effort. Side note, I am undervolted my 3090 (1725 Mhz, 787mv) to save 50-70watts, these extra watts are wasted on only a few extra MHz (30-40).
This looked like a good idea, and I actually have better performance using -70 mV +90 core +900 mem. I saved the profile and set it to launch at startup, but the MSI afterburner keeps changing the curve (random stuff like adding +50 more to core). My pc regularly crashes now because of these changed curves! MSI afterburner is horseshit, anything else I can use or how to avoid this?
The only solution is to a) set your underclock preset when the GPU is cool and b) set the clock to 15 Mhz lower than you would normally to give yourself some buffer. Many people don't bother with any of the hassle and just set their cards up at 1900 Mhz so they don't have to mess with it since there are diminishing returns on clock speed past 1900 for most NVIDIA cards other than the top of the line ones.
Thank u sir , this was so helpful .. at msi afterburner i get another curve editor with 2 lines ..but my gpu is amd ! i have to put the numbers for both lines manually ..my gpu stock boost is 1260 should i keep on boost or i should lower the core clock ?
Try it both ways and see which one works better for your system. I didn't cover this in the video but I also undervolted an overclocked boost clock and got pretty decent results from it.
My old pc is 4 yrs old. Running windows 10 Pro (😂 without MS account) and Asus Armoury Crate + Aura Creator for mobo, ram and case fans. My PC specs are : 1. i3 8100 LGA1151. 2. Asus Z370 TUF Gaming Plus ATX Mobo. 3. Cooler Master Hyper x212 CPU Cooler. 4. G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3000mhz (2 x 8GB kit). 5. Asus Strix GeForce GTX 1060 6GB OC Dual Fan (Black). 6. 1x Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Storage. 7. 1x Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD. 8. 1x Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 240 GB SSD. 9. 1x NZXT HUE Plus LED Strip + Controller. 10. DeepCool RF120 mm RGB fans (3 x fan kit). 11. Corsair CS650M 80+ Gold PSU. I hope i may learn something about GPU.
Not really a fan of the cpu you have. I think you could easily upgrade for cheap. Not having those extra 4 threads on that cpu is huge. I have a i7 2700k which is insanely older than your cpu. Yet those 4 extra threads lets it easily compete with your newer cpu and beats it for performance. You should upgrade that cpu. To something better imo. You have the mobo for the upgrade. Imo if a cpu from 2011 is better your 2017 cpu and it is cheaper to buy the older cpu. Then just get the i5-8000 series cpus. These are worth it. Cost the same a brand new 2700k would cost and beat it in performance. Your board supports the 9000 series also. I'd buy a i5 from that series if you want to stay budget friendly. Same price as a 8000 series i5, but newer and better performance with 6 core 6 threads. 2 real cores make a huge difference.
why does his msi say "Curve" next to core clock whereas mine just says +0 how can I find out which number I must drag to if my clock keeps moving around
GPUs have a maximum voltage they can't exceed without very complicated hardware mods. Lowering the voltage can't hurt the card. If anything it would extend the card's life.
Your using MSI to undervolt it. MSI is just a program that limits what you can really do to the cards. There is other programs that can mess the cards up, but it rare MSI will do that. It is basically a user friendly way to OC a video card. Actually if you running a 3000 series card. Nvidia has now made it preset in the cards. If you hit alt+z and go to performance tab. You can OC your card directly without MSI.
I could see this being useful for people with really high temps or something. Tried this compared to my regular overclock just to see and I’m performing well with much lower temps but way less performance. My pc cools well so I’ll keep the higher temps for more FPS for my particular setup
It greatly depends on your screen resolution, Playing in 1080p you see mHz on card almost direclty transfer into FPS boost, try 4k and you'd barely see a point to OC your card and dropping 100-200mHz with good UV will get you much nicer temps and less noise while performance impact around 1-2fps.
FPS isn't what matters on a good GPU. Frame time is. I will take a tight fast frametime over a higher average FPS with inconsistent frame time any day of the week. I lost maybe 1% of my average FPS but gained much better frame time consistency.
I'm new to the pc world, in the performance section of Geforce Experience my maximum voltage is set to 0%. I've had some rendering issues and overall graphics quality when playing games i was just wondering whether this could be a problem. RTX 3060
hello. i've been trying to understand all this to get the most of my low end laptop. I noticed 'throttling' and frame rate drops, and the CPU drops considerably. Can anyone explain how the GPU might affect the CPU ?
It doesn't matter. I typically lower the resolution a little bit and make it so it's not full screen so I can set it to the side. The whole purpose of it is just to put a load on the GPU.
my 3070ti would go all the way up to 1070mV 1950MHz stock factory oc (gigabyte gaming OC GPU variant), and it's effing singing songs of it's people with massive coil whine. With conservative UV at 950mV card goes up to 2010MHz and coil whine is barely noticeable. No loss of performance, no instability, less temperatures LESS power draw. it's a win win win
idk about all this but I'm using asus tuf 3090 and the asus gpu tweaks software with the 'power target' set to 98% and seems to run cool and stable while still preforming...but idk if this is the same thing as actually undervolting or not lol
Finally a proper undervolting process with correct explanation :) Even Linus did this wrong.
This is the first undervolting tutorial I've seen that doesn't tell people to reduce their clock speeds before peak voltage, which would make GPUs actually consume more power when running less demanding games. Cheers for that!
It should just be a level line right from the peak onward then a arch before the peak?
@@jgvtc559 I do it same as shown in this video. In the case of my 3060 it's 925mv@1965mhz. Raise the voltage point you want to be your peak and flatten everything beyond it, leave the lower frequencies untouched. My problem with most tutorials is they recommend starting with negative offset for the entire curve, which is garbage if you don't only play games that always max out gpu.
@@Broformist hi bro. I'm only starting with undervolting and now have gotten my 3060 ti at 1850mhz/900mv. The only thing is in all the tutorials I saw the start the curve with -250 like you said. Can you tell me what's actually being done there. That's the method I followed as well.
What's being done there is every voltage below your chosen peak one is underclocked, so now your gpu will be forced to jump to higher voltages in cases where it didn't need to before, just because it lacks the clock speed on a lower voltage point. Do it the way it is shown in this video, much better.
@@Broformist bro I usually play games that max out the gpu. Should I still do it the way shown in the video?
2:16 spot on! It’s a shame people are so fixated on highest FPS/clocks possible, when having stable clocks is a MUCH better playing experience.
There's a place for the highest FPS and clocks possible. Competitive benchmarking is actually a lot of fun. However, when I just want to sit down and play a game I want it to be stable as a rock.
YEah, that is totally true. My 3070ti performs SO well at 900mV/1965 but when I bump it to 925 with higher clock it runs noticeably worse. It really comes down to frametime more than average FPS.
Im a noob when it comes to this stuff but I tried following the steps as best I could from videos on TH-cam. My 3080 12GB model would always hit and stay at 83c when gaming. The core clocks would be around 1980-2000. After messing with my case fans and GPU fans I got it around 70c but my pc sounded like it was about to take off lol. So I tried undervolting and came to 1920 core clock at 850mv. I ran a few benchmarks and played some ray tracing games and no crashes and now my GPU is around 65-67c while playing the same games.
This is what i like to see, learning to make your PC run better & cooler.
So you successfully achieved lower clocks and lower FPS.. Yeah cool. Good story bro. Way to overclock. NOT.
@@ironmaiden5658 better to undervolt then im not pc savvy so would probably leave mine
@@ironmaiden5658 Benefits outweigh the negatives. Not losing as much fps as you think.
@@thurstoid9811 BS. I've been overclocking for 20 years. You want as many Volts and Watts as you can throw at the card. There are 3 factors. Watts. Volts. Degrees. If you're just a pleb running stock fans then we can't even talk. aa
after all the undervolting videos i looked through, this one just did it for me. 3080ti FTW3. Thank you!!
Glad it helped.
My mobile 3060 went from 74c to 68-70c using 15w less. I even gained 2% performance with my preset (875mv 1897mhz).
I have a helios predator 300 315-54 rtx 3060, and I undervolt mine to 850 at 1960 and see significant fps gains while having a -10 degree reduction at all times, definitely helps with gaming laptops
How's your undervolted laptop now? is it still running without any issues?
The issue with MSI Afterburner not setting the right frequency is not the program fault. It's all because of how Nvidia GPU Boost works as it sets the clocks according to the temperature. What you set in MSI Afterburner will stick at the same temperature range. But if the temperatures is different, the frequency will be slightly lower or higher as well. I always set the frequency at say 40-42 degrees Celsius or even under 40C.
For example, in my case I want 1800Mhz at 0.825V for my 3080Ti. So I boost the fans to 100% while setting the profile and set 1770Mhz at 0.825V when GPU is under 40 degrees in MSI Afterburner. This way the GPU will boost initially to 1770 at around 50C and lower. Close to 60C it will boost to 1785 and over 60C it will hit the 1800Mhz that I want. Considering most heavy games will stress the GPU a lot and it will warm it to over 60C you should hit that 1800Mhz most of the time. This way I am sure I won't get a frequency that's too high that might crash my GPU.
I don't know if I explained it in a good way but it took me a while to figure out myself why MSI was not setting the frequency that I want. Hopefully the example is much easier to understand.
Well I found a solution through experimenting with it! Just use the core clock slider instead! Then flatten the curve on the target voltage. I made 3 profiles on mine and it's consistent. Try it out yourself and tell me if it works for you.
875mv to 1800mhz makes my 3070 stable and runs smooth and 68c underload
@@CyberPun It depends if you're target voltage has a higher clock or lower clock.
In the clock graph you can leftclick on a point then control+shift+enter and type in the Mhz you want to reach instead of manually sliding it. So shift+leftclick every point you want to change then click on a point ctrl+shift+enter. Just wanted to share that!
I have undervolted underclocked my nvidia mx150 2gb laptop and because of it I can run fortnite on 60fps on a laptop that on stock settings would overheat if even running it on 30fps. It's great for some situations!
What value did you give while under clocking?
@@rahul-qm9fi I kept it at about 1250Mhz while using the minimum amount of voltage. Underclocked Mhz voltage and overclocked memory. Also undervolted the CPU.
Hi! Thanks for the video. Though I haven't yet watched it all, and moreover - I've already undervolted my GPU, I wanted to share that for me personally the main reason to undervolt was not the desire to get better performance (I have 3090). Nor even I needed lower temparatures, because my PC is water-cooled. I realized I literally needed to lower the power consumption. And while doing it and researching how much and at what circumnstances my PC consumes power, I was shocked. I never measured these things before, and I couldn't even imagine how much (really much) PC can drain power for doing virtually nothing. I then simply tried to scale the problem to the global PC market, and it becomes really scary to realize how much energy is wasted for nothing world-wide. Especially if we take PoW-miners. And here comes understanding why any software, especially computationally heavy, must be optimized. I mean just algorithmically.
Just for example, some dry numbers. When I first measured consumption of my PC, it was a whooping 190 Watts at idle on Windows (under Linux it was 220). After some investigation, I just killed some LighningService (didn't needed it, cause I turned lights off) - it was consuming 20W for literally nothing. Shortly before that I killed some ASUS service (AsusSvc, or smth like) - not even sure how much it consumed, but sometimes it literally caused my PSU to go for emrgency shutdown 🤣I also did some other optimizations (including even turning off my desktop speakers, which consumed 7W for nothing while just being idle). As a result, I went from 190W to 130W with totally not effect on my usual experience. It's actually still pretty much, but I'm not sure yet what esle to optimize, and my PC is a powerfull workstation, so in general it's kinda normal to consume more than an average PC.
Or imagine now a huge horde of a gamers world-wide, playing lots and lots of hours per day in sum. 3090, of course, is not the most widely spread GPU for just gaming, but I'll still share my results of undervolting. At normal voltages, my GPU consumed 355W under a constantly running Heaven benchmark on extreme settings. After I did a simple undervolting, it became 307W without any decrease in the benchmark. That is a 13.5% reduction for free. Imagine if all the gamers around the world undervolted their GPUs? :) That could save a lot of energy. And what is also important - decrease the CO2-emission. Though I've never been a fanatical Greenpeace adhenerent and don't wanna seem to be it, but lately I realize more and more how environmental problem is much more acute than it seems at first glance, unfortunately :(
This is what I'm experiencing. I have amazing temps for my 3060 at 60-70c so not worried about temps but recently my computer has been rebooting itself and I believe it was power related. I had similar numbers of yours; going from 160-170w to sub 130w or so. Didn't see a huge hit in performance either(at least in benchmark) I also decided to plug in my computer to the wall; and not an old extension cable brick. So hoping for the best that my computer is stable now!
Consuming that many watts at idle isn't right, are you sure you don't have the frequency locked when you did your undervolt? There is an option to lock the designated clock speed all the time on Afterburner. Maybe check that to be sure. No way your GPU should be using even 100W at idle.
@@m3r762 Check to make sure you don't have your clock speed locked to your undervolt frequency. That sounds like what is happening. Afterburner has that option in the settings somewhere. Some people like it to further smooth out gameplay but it's a power hog.
@@gametime2473 I think you misunderstood a bit. I was mostly talking about my overall PC not just GPU, which is about 13-25W in idle.
Oh ok. That makes more sense, especially if you are using a workstation.@@amegatron07
I got the frequency jumping up or down when I save it as a profile too. I got annoyed by it but I found a way around it. What I did was instead of increasing the clock of the target voltage in the curve editor, I used the core clock slider instead then flattened the curve on the target voltage in the curve editor. So yeah consistent clock everytime I load a profile. Also the curve graph is smoother too. A win win solution!
The only problem with that is the GPU will run at it's highest clock even if your not gaming. It sticks the GPU into 3D mode.
Definitely recommend people giving this a shot. Especially if you enjoy tinkering. I’ve been undervolting a 1080ti for about the past year with great results. Only maybe a few percent increase in performance using Heaven as a benchmark but more importantly slightly lower temps, lower fan speeds, and more stable clocks.
It's definitely fun to play with but since my GPU is water cooled it didn't benefit me enough to go through the hassle of dealing with the temperamental curve editor every time I boot the system. However, that might be a different story if my GPU was air cooled.
@@CyberCPU In my case it’s a blower card so really worth it in my case. Haha!
@@CyberCPU so if i undervolt my gpu with afterburner i have to redo it every time i boot my pc? lol...i wanna try this with my new build with the 3090 but if i gotta fiddle with it every time i boot up than i prolly won't bother. lol
@@DiagolonRider you can set it to automatically take effect every time you boot up but I don't recommend it. If you ever have a problem with your overclock then your system can be unstable at boot up. I recommend manually setting the overclock before you play games. Otherwise you might have to boot into safe mode and uninstall MSI afterburner if you have an unstable overclock mess the system up. If you said it manually then you have the opportunity to adjust it before you apply it.
@@CyberCPU right on! thanks for the reply!
Okay, so...i decided to undervolt my Gigabyte RTX 2070 Non-Super since i had some temperature issues with it. All i did was to set it at 850mv (wich it seems to be quite freaking stable) and i now i get temperatures between 70-75C in full freaking load my guys. Yes, this is possible even with 30C ambient temps. I also played with the fan curve :D. It also helps the fact that i added 140mm fans on top, so now i have better airflow in my FSP 350 CMT case (front panel chocking it's not great). Thank you for your video as it helped me better understand MSI Afterburner!
If you have a laptop, that runs hot then it's worth it. Yes, under volting actually gives a benefit if you have a laptop, both temperatures and power consumption are reduced which saves a little more battery life.
But anyone doing this should perform a GPU Stress test by running in game benchmarks or other stress testing tools etc. To confirm that there undervolting actually works without any issues.
Yeah, it's worth it especially if you have a laptop. Laptops usually run toastier that a desktop and let me tell you something: Repasting also helps if you didn't do it for quite some time. And for the love of god, please don't use a laptop in your lap (it will get hotter than a burning young sun).
Ya good point. I would suggest to undervolt laptops.
I got afterburner to apply the profile the same every time with my 3060 ti by setting frequency in multiples of 15 which your setting of 1935 mhz is. Then if it keeps not applying that same profile causing you to have to apply it manually, go down to the next multiple so in your example I would set it to 1920mhz and that should stick. This includes the "set at idle temps" trick you mentioned.
I have mines on 1905 mhz or 1910 around there
Man what a GREAT video! I knew about underclocking but now I know a lot more about it! Im happy I stumbled upon your channel & it was a straight away 'subscribe'! Keep up the great work man! I'll have to redo my settings in MSI Afterburner after what I've learned!
Glad it helped.
GREAT tutorial. I was hitting a max boost of 1980, but it wasn't holding to it for long. I got 2002MHz@975mV and 8000MHz VRAM frequency. The temps went from 75ºC to 73ºC even with more frequency. I get to 72ºC if I lower just the clock back to 1980.
Glad it helped.
Overclocking VRAM isn't worth it IMO. It runs hot as it is. Also, 1980 vs 2002 mHz is going to make about zero difference.
@@gametime2473 yup, but you know what makes difference? 975mV vs 1.1v. know your voltages bro.
13:21 AMD GPU users can find out the necessary settings using MSI Afterburner, and then change the GPU settings using AMD Adrenaline Software, so you never need to worry about Afterburner altering settings on its own and having to redo the entire method each time. Or, even simpler, there is an actual "Undervolt GPU" in Adrenaline Tuning settings.
Very clear tutorial. But I think just checking if Heaven crashes isn't enough. I think you should look for artifacts. Those look like little blue squares that flash in some parts of the image (with my 4070, at least). In certain scenes it's much more noticeable than in others, and it's easier to see if you press the spacebar to pause the camera.
Of course, you should.
My 3060ti Gigabyte Eagle OC at stock is loud and hot as hell (over 100 C at the hot spot).
Tuned down to 850 mV, power usage set to 85%, bumped clocks a bit, fans adjusted with curve optimizer.
Now is quiet, has 82 C at the hot spot, and is even a bit faster than the stock one.
You must improve air flow in your case. Things are literally boiling inside.
I dont have a good case but i can clearly see its not problem with case because temperatures rise from 50C to 85 in like seconds@@krecikowi
This guy doesn't understand that the curve is dynamic, not static. It's not changing from where you set it. It fluctuates dynamically based on thermals. This is a function of the video card bios, not MSI Afterburner. MSI Afterburner is just reporting those fluctuations. 🤦♂️
Many TH-camrs show this undervolting method right way to undervolt is low the voltage lowest and increase mhz that's it 😂
Should I move the whole curve down so everything is more down not just if my pc is using high performance so it's like always an % less voltage?? Like CPU undervolting does that in the bios it's an % that goes away idk
This steps are only ones that work with my GPUs...more power to your channel
Good intro explaining the mechanics behind undervolting, thanks for that. And I know I'm two years late, but yeah: Afterburner is a bit of a pain when it comes to manipulating that voltage/frequency curve ... glad it's not just me being butter-fingered.. :D
That said: Judging from my own experience with RTX cards, I would probably recommend stress-testing in some sort of RT-benchmark, not just in Heaven. I undervolted my 4070 Super a couple of days ago and found that I couldn't go super low on the voltage if I wanted stability in RT-titles. My first, not overly ambitious UV (0.925V, 2700 MHz), seemed stable enough until I tried it in 3DMark Speed Way and Port Royal. Plus it also crashed Hitman after 10 minutes or so, which is an RT-title.
Port Royal seems especially sensitive to unstable settings - I've used it while pushing the card to the limit (no undervolting) and it was always the first application to crash. My most ambitious OC-attempt for example seemed to run fine and passed the Speed Way stability test (20 loops) but then crashed Port Royal's stability test on the 11th loop.
Still: Even with only 0.920V and 2600 MHz on my current undervolt, temps and power-draw have gone down quite dramatically for me. High to Ultra settings in Hitman at 1440p for example would result in well over 200W and low 60s°C core/high 70s hotspot at stock speeds while my (arguably pretty timid) UV caps that to ~140W and ~low 50s on the core and low 60s hotspot. Also: Don't forget to up your VRAM clocks while UVing. I have mine running at +1200 MHz in AB and it works fine.
Fuck I hate paying for TH-cam premium then Clicking on a video and getting a 1 minute advert straight up
TH-cam vanced and adblock extensions (2-3) 0 ads in years
I really like this video because it only modifies full speed voltage, I've seen other videos that move the entire curve causing, overvoltage for lower clock speeds which is a bad practice, this is definitely the way to correctly undervolt a card
Appreciate the guide, running 1725-1800 .800 .825 at about 80-150watts compared to default at 200 - 250watts on a 3070..
To fix the changed preset simply choose to lower the clock speed by a 100 - 200 mhz and then apply the voltage to whatever point you aiming for at 1800 - 1900 mhz , that way it stays stable each time you load your preference
i've always recommended that people undervolt both CPU & GPU. been running the ol' reliable RX580 forever at either 1400mhz overclocked & undervolted at a 1075mv (-75mv) for games. it never goes above 72 degrees with fans around 1500 RPM. for long compute runs i run it underclocked at 1000mhz & undervolted to 900mv (-250mv) & it never reaches over 60 degrees with the same fan settings.
saving a couple 100 watts is great as is for the power bill. but the best part is so much less heat. especially on hot summer days, every degree only adds to the misery.
There's a setting for voltage control. The checkbox was above the voltage monitoring. Why not just enable that & apply a negative offset? Why mess around with custom curves when you could apply the offset to the entire curve much easier?
I don’t think that can go negative? Dunno know 🤷🏻
@@robreich6881 worth a look anyway
@@clintcolombin Does it do the AUTOMATIC control too ? Or it always stays at that voltage in idle? Because if it doesn't go to idle voltage in idle you are wasting power.
Curve editing makes that happen too. When it goes to idle it drops to 400 MHz 625mV. Does the thing you mentioned do this thing?
A negative offset should apply to the stock curve automatically. The idea is that it applies the offset to the entire curve
Because your GPU may require more Voltage and if it does it will stutter to all hell. If you keep the max voltage potential high it will have the ability to go higher in some frames without stuttering. The curve is just what it runs consistently on average, but there is always an exception and your GPU may require more power at times.
@CyberCPU Tech
i think i know why you never could consistently save/load a profile
if you set a curve in afterburner or change clockspeeds and hit apply and it does not apply exactly what you set that means you cannot set that specific clock speed
go up/down 5-10 mhz and try again you will find values that consistently will save and are repeatable.
i do not know why that happens i only know if you found values that are solid they work everytime.
I just undervolted my RTX 2070 Super Ventus via MSI Afterburner. The gpu temp dropped 10C and gives me some fps increase. I'm getting stable results so far in Stalker Anomaly and 7 Days To Die at 1440p. Man I wish I'd done it sooner.
tyvm!this is ultimate guide undervolting gpu
Thank you for covering the weirdness of MSI Afterburner not always setting the curve to where you tell it to! This was one confusing issue when I started out and I wish that I had found your guide first!
Thats not msi. Thats nvidia driver boosts
I managed to overclock my RTX 2060 to 1980mhz and undervolt it to 1000mV at the same time thanks to this guide!
Sir, you upload this just the day before i was planning to do it to my 3080 what a perfect timing. I tried before but it wasnt that great and i had crashes. Also do you have a stable frametime with no micro stutters ?
Does this mean I don't have enough power?
10:37:13 Connected to MSI Afterburner control interface v2.3
10:37:17 GPU1 : VEN_10DE&DEV_2204&SUBSYS_403A1458&REV_A1&BUS_12&DEV_0&FN_0
10:37:17 Start scanning, please wait a few minutes
10:57:22 Scan succeeded, average core overclock is 85MHz, memory overclock is 200MHz
10:57:22 Dominant limiter
10:57:22 Voltage
10:57:22 Results are considered unstable
10:57:22 Overclocked curve exported to MSI Afterburner
Great video gonna follow your advice my man. A little issue lm having though.
been watching many OC videos and something lve noticed is that they never mention anything about the PSU l mean lm assuming that as long as it can handle your system that mean you can OC without worries but lm just concerned a little about that stuff as sometimes my PC shot down when gaming but supposedly should handle my PC with no issues. l have a Thermaltake 600w and an Rx570 8gb.
i used to get 83 degrees when playing RDR2 with ultra settings on my RTX 3070 and alot of noise ,then i undervolt it and now i get ~ 65 degrees same settings.very happy!
I have a pny 3070 it never gets over 63c for me and I don't have to undervolt it. Really just hit or miss it seems with the cards. Which model are you running. I think in your case undervolting the card is needed you getting close to the 90c mark. Maybe add some more fans to your pc for exhaust. Try running 3 to 4 intake and 2 exhaust fans.
@@fighterpimp its Gigabyte 8gb OC version,i have 3 intake and 1 exhaust,but i dont think is that the problem,maybe thermal paste idk?!
Great content! Tks for the video
Useful! But when i see the values of your afterburner : 53° at 1081 mv i just can say that on thoses news GPUs GDR6X, at 1000mv the temps are more close to 70° and the FANs starts to crying :(
I'm water cooled. Makes a huge difference.
@@CyberCPU your GPU is watercooled too ?
@@adamu6941 yes, I did a video on it.
th-cam.com/video/4xUQal22ei0/w-d-xo.html
@@CyberCPU ofc thats the ideal to all WC but you need a full AIO loop for this, i only have a Liquid Freezer II for my 13700K, i"m more thinking about copper pads perhaps...
As I tried it by myself, this can keep GPU stable when a game needs a high performance with a lower power, but the power consumption can get increased when the game does not need the amount of power which is set by MSI Afterburner. And when the game is not running on PC (idling), it costs more power consumption than non-undervolting. So, undervolting (with these settings) should be used only when we play games which require relatively large power consumption for the good performance.
Nope, it works same as before undervolting, you can even see it in the undervolting graph in MSI (ctrl-f), or in TechPowerUp you can see that at idle the GPU is barely using any power. You have to run the game or some benchmark program at 100% GPU usage for few minutes, before you click - apply the undervolt, the game has to be open and running in the background, not minimized, if not the graph will be messed up when you click apply, and it can use more power just by running the game menu, or some easy to run games.
@@1GTX1 You are right when PC is idling. But when I play a game which does not require more than 900mV (undervolt), the power becomes higher than without undervolt. Can we play such game with a lower voltage than 900mV when the game does not require 900mV? Or as long as we set 900mV, does it get fixed all the time even when the game needs, for example, only 800mV?
@@gibbs-13 Yes, it reduces voltage if the game is not demanding. It's best to make undervolt profile, and apply it few times while running the game.
@@1GTX1 thanks for your reply. I just tried undervolt without pressing L in the curve editor so the voltage is not locked. Then, it does not stay at 900mV and it can get lower when the game doesn't need the power. Am I doing correct?
I think i just did the best of both world.
I undervolted and overclocked (for said voltage) across the curve!
My laptop has excellent thermals and can draw 140 watts so why not! (Rtx 3070 TI)
my rtx 2060 used to be on stock from 950w to 1000w with 1800 hmz. i am using 900w with 1800 rn. works like a charm. 10 digress temp diff
Heya
What do you think about the Radeon RX6700XT???
Its in my price range ,down from pandemic pricing.
BigT,Alaska
So first time undervolting, quick question about the wattage use. I was under the impression that undervolting would lower wattage use which I can see using the heaven benchmark (320W) but when using another like superposition using the same settings it jumps back up to stock levels (360W.) Currently running tests at 4k and settings are below.
Gpu: msi 3080 gaming z trio 10GB
Monitor: Odessy G7 28in 4k
-300 to whole curve, clock: 1920MHz, 883mV
Noticed 875Mv would not crash on heaven but would on doom eternal.
Make sure the settings are actually saving and that you adjusted the correct settings. It's impossible to say overclock a GPU or CPU and have exact same results, even if OC'ing only provides a moderate 5% boost.
What was your cards temp before undervolting? If you weren't in the 80c range. I honestly wouldn't suggest undervolting the card. You won't get a performance boost doing it, since it isn't temp throttling.
Also there is other ways to increase the speed of your gpu. You can easily get it to pump out 15-25% more fps. I compared my tweaked card to a stock 3070 from rog which is best 3070 you can get for fps. I was 20 fps higher than just msi oc the card. Turn on re-size bar.
CTRL + L to lock the offset Voltage / Speed and save the preset ...
Same for CPU. No problem w the Intel extreme tuning util. Works great btw and consumes less power.
Hmm, I didn't undervolt or overvolt at all (voltage slider bar at 0), and I get 8101mghz (+1300) memory and 2175mghz (+210) CPU stable in all situations.
Temps went from stock 40C to 50-60C under full load with fan speeds of 40-60% on Stealth Fan Curve. All with Precision X1. Power Target at 100 and Temp Target at 72C. Unity Heaven run in Extreme to max out the CPU.
Now my 7950x I limit to 80C... to stay nice and chill... but my GPU I overvolt and keep it under 65C
All I need is a 3000 series :P I'm on 1660 TI she can do 1890mhz But that's with everything set as normal and I have not changed any voltage
The 1660 is a good card. Luckily 30 series cards are coming down fast, so hopefully you will get one soon.
@@CyberCPU She's good for the 2019 mid-range series at the time, But 6GB VRam is what makes her limited and whatnot. Hopefully, by October I be getting a 3070 or 3070 TI or maybe the price is right a 3080.. then again it's 50/50 at the moment with the 4000 series coming near, 4000 series would be the same price factor when the 3000 series was released but would end up costing more as I would need a new power supply as my 850W might be too small.
@@Empire24453 If the launch of the 3000 series was any indicator, the 4000 series will be just as highly sought after and hard to get, especially trying to compete with the bots and scalpers. If you can afford a 3000 series card now, I'd grab it.
Set the curve at 38 degrees no hotter. That’s the start of the 15 delta ticks
I used to have an Inno3d 2070 X3 which is a sub 200mm twin fan card, under 80C 2500 rpm fan, over 80C 4300 rpm fan (jet engine). I ended up watercooling it because it was so loud and now I really wish I had tried undervolting it instead.
It doesn’t seem counterproductive, it seems counterintuitive. Big difference ✨
Thanks for such a great tutorial but one question, I assume this undervolting method/principle also apply to the rtx 20s or is it a different concept for that series? I have a 2080 and I am very conscious of its power consumption. In fact, I want to disable it when not gaming or video editing and have my pc use just the Ryzen 5600G APU which is very low power consumption. Is that possible?
You can turn off graphics acceleration in your commonly used apps that use it (steam and chrome for example).
is 1750MHz and 875mV on a Gigabyte RTX 3070 to low for gaming?
I know this comment is a lil late but I was just wondering if this way will get my task manager to stop saying that my 3D is always at 100%. Thank you for the video.
But is it worth it to do without a water cooling setup? Would it really make a difference then?
I recently tried undervolting with my ROG RTX3060. It was fun to tinker but it's not much wattage savings and I have a 3 fan cooler so I just crank everything up and it never goes over 56c . Don't even have to mess with the fan curve. Informative video! Thanks for the tips!
I been playing with my msi ventus 3060 Ti OCV1 and I saw the biggest difference in temp when I got to .850mV .925-.875mV should be a sweet spot it will definitely lower your temps if you go under .900mV
after one year do u notice any instability, crashes, freez glitch etc
When I drag and highlight everything to the right of the set point and hit enter twice, literally nothing happens. These instructions don't seem to work now.
Is highlighting with shift necessary? If i set the voltage, others automatically flatten out.
The heat generated is _literally_ tho power that is input, and the hotter it gets, the less eff#icient it gets.
When your 875mV was stable, does running games with Ray Tracing not have the ability to make it unstable if youre right on the edge of it being stable and not?
i was about to swap may auros 3070 to tuf 3070 just because of temps but i just cant let go of the aesthetic design of auros master so i tried undervolting and omg got 68c full load
Glad it helped.
Just a tip: it's siliCON, not silicone.
Silicone Is a jello like rubber.
Silicon is things like glass, sand, chips.
I know.
Anychance you can do a video for a Geforce RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra Gaming? if you have one. my wont do anything in msi. Clock is at 1470Mhz, Mem is at 7000mhz, Volt is at 750mv. While gaming some games it hits the highest of 83c and some game its actually kinda of bad. but no matter what i do, for some reason it just wont work?
Anyone with issues of profiles not saving volts cores memory ect,
Turn OFF link for temps and power on fan limits,
Its a weird thing but having it linked stops profiles loading and resetting themselves on a pc restart.
You actually want to move the whole graph, and you don't want to flatten it
So, out of the box it comes over revved. So we sort of a rev it less-ish, lol.
Why in games voltage has increased for the value i specified
What determines your the clock speed that you were setting it as (1925)?
Were you just setting it at your GPU's base core clock speed?
just cannot get the voltage to show, please help! tried everything, checked all those boxes, restarted MSI afterburner, restarted computer, uninstalled & reinstalled, still won't show..
I undervolted my RX 7900XT it ran hotter than when overclocked all with adrenalin software ? Im really confused thought it was supposed to run cooler ??
Does undervolting GPU, lower CPU's temp too? Thanks,
David Shahin
There might be a little bit of drop of temperature due to convection because the GPU is producing less heat but nothing directly. In fact if your GPU limited and you increase your GPUs performance you might even increase heat on the CPU because it's able to work harder.
I am definitely not GPU limited but I can't say that for my CPU. Thanks 4 speedy response
why would you stop at 56 degrees when its safe to go to low 80s and 60-70s are good for longevity
This all applies to a gaming laptop right? I have a MSI GP66 Leopard 10UG model. My 3070 keeps hitting temps like 75 and sometimes 78 when it never used to do that before. The thermal paste was replaced from the factory on warranty.
This is only worth doing if you card is getting high temps. If you sitting at 60-68c. Don't do this. What is the point. You getting performance you need anyway. Lowest the power draw isn't going to help you gain performance. It will actually limit your performance in most cases. If you card is getting very hot and having issues due to the heat. Than yes you will see jumps in performance, because of the temp throttle in the card.
If you at 60c on your card with full power stock. No need to undervolt your gpu. It is working at intended and you won't get better performance doing it.
This is not true for all cards. For cards struggling significantly with power limits, it's objectively a better method than conventional OCing.
I have a 3080 with a power limit of 350w and if I apply a standard OC, I run into that power limit immediately and gpu boost 3.0 begins to ramp down my OC. But when I'm undervolted, I consistently hit the clockspeed I'm asking it to run. For example, In Witcher 3 with a standard OC, my core clock ranges from 1860-1965mhz with temps around 70-75c. When undervolting to .856v, my core clock stays locked at 1950mhz as it's not power-limited, and temps drop to 58-65c.
@@TRH2243 dude wtf you even talking about. The limit standard of that card is 450W. If you are at 350w limit on that card. It means you aren't given that card the needed power it wants. So you have a under recommanded psu or your mobo is ass trash and isn't able to give the power needed to the card.
So here is the real problem. You bought a 3080 with trash components. So you paid high end price for a high end card and pair it with low end parts. Trash builders like you are dog shit. You need to honestly stop putting together pc. You don't even research how to pair things right.
I bet you have a 5600 paired with that 3080 on top of it. Because that is how rere trash you are.
So I’m guessing before we undervolt, we want to try and max out the clock speed first? Or should I just leave it at the factory overclock?
For the cost of the 3060 and water block, you could have just got a 3070/Ti and got way more FPS for no effort.
Side note, I am undervolted my 3090 (1725 Mhz, 787mv) to save 50-70watts, these extra watts are wasted on only a few extra MHz (30-40).
Liquid in a Gaming Rig...only muppets would do that. Jeez
This looked like a good idea, and I actually have better performance using -70 mV +90 core +900 mem. I saved the profile and set it to launch at startup, but the MSI afterburner keeps changing the curve (random stuff like adding +50 more to core). My pc regularly crashes now because of these changed curves! MSI afterburner is horseshit, anything else I can use or how to avoid this?
The only solution is to a) set your underclock preset when the GPU is cool and b) set the clock to 15 Mhz lower than you would normally to give yourself some buffer. Many people don't bother with any of the hassle and just set their cards up at 1900 Mhz so they don't have to mess with it since there are diminishing returns on clock speed past 1900 for most NVIDIA cards other than the top of the line ones.
Thank u sir , this was so helpful .. at msi afterburner i get another curve editor with 2 lines ..but my gpu is amd ! i have to put the numbers for both lines manually ..my gpu stock boost is 1260 should i keep on boost or i should lower the core clock ?
Try it both ways and see which one works better for your system.
I didn't cover this in the video but I also undervolted an overclocked boost clock and got pretty decent results from it.
@@CyberCPU Thank you ,you are the best
AMD's own software works pretty well for UV and/or OC in my experience, better than Afterburner for me personally, so it could be worth trying.
My old pc is 4 yrs old. Running windows 10 Pro (😂 without MS account) and Asus Armoury Crate + Aura Creator for mobo, ram and case fans. My PC specs are :
1. i3 8100 LGA1151.
2. Asus Z370 TUF Gaming Plus ATX Mobo.
3. Cooler Master Hyper x212 CPU Cooler.
4. G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3000mhz (2 x 8GB kit).
5. Asus Strix GeForce GTX 1060 6GB OC Dual Fan (Black).
6. 1x Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Storage.
7. 1x Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD.
8. 1x Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 240 GB SSD.
9. 1x NZXT HUE Plus LED Strip + Controller.
10. DeepCool RF120 mm RGB fans (3 x fan kit).
11. Corsair CS650M 80+ Gold PSU.
I hope i may learn something about GPU.
Not really a fan of the cpu you have. I think you could easily upgrade for cheap. Not having those extra 4 threads on that cpu is huge. I have a i7 2700k which is insanely older than your cpu. Yet those 4 extra threads lets it easily compete with your newer cpu and beats it for performance. You should upgrade that cpu. To something better imo. You have the mobo for the upgrade. Imo if a cpu from 2011 is better your 2017 cpu and it is cheaper to buy the older cpu. Then just get the i5-8000 series cpus. These are worth it. Cost the same a brand new 2700k would cost and beat it in performance.
Your board supports the 9000 series also. I'd buy a i5 from that series if you want to stay budget friendly. Same price as a 8000 series i5, but newer and better performance with 6 core 6 threads. 2 real cores make a huge difference.
why does his msi say "Curve" next to core clock whereas mine just says +0
how can I find out which number I must drag to if my clock keeps moving around
if i made a mistake in undervolting, will my gpu take any damage just like overcloking?
GPUs have a maximum voltage they can't exceed without very complicated hardware mods. Lowering the voltage can't hurt the card. If anything it would extend the card's life.
@@CyberCPU thank you so much
Your using MSI to undervolt it. MSI is just a program that limits what you can really do to the cards. There is other programs that can mess the cards up, but it rare MSI will do that. It is basically a user friendly way to OC a video card. Actually if you running a 3000 series card. Nvidia has now made it preset in the cards. If you hit alt+z and go to performance tab. You can OC your card directly without MSI.
So I have a question. Once I do this on MSI afterburner, is that setting gonna stay even after restarting my pc?
I could see this being useful for people with really high temps or something. Tried this compared to my regular overclock just to see and I’m performing well with much lower temps but way less performance. My pc cools well so I’ll keep the higher temps for more FPS for my particular setup
It greatly depends on your screen resolution, Playing in 1080p you see mHz on card almost direclty transfer into FPS boost, try 4k and you'd barely see a point to OC your card and dropping 100-200mHz with good UV will get you much nicer temps and less noise while performance impact around 1-2fps.
FPS isn't what matters on a good GPU. Frame time is. I will take a tight fast frametime over a higher average FPS with inconsistent frame time any day of the week. I lost maybe 1% of my average FPS but gained much better frame time consistency.
What if you press L on the voltage curve to lock it. Would that work?
I'm new to the pc world, in the performance section of Geforce Experience my maximum voltage is set to 0%. I've had some rendering issues and overall graphics quality when playing games i was just wondering whether this could be a problem. RTX 3060
hello. i've been trying to understand all this to get the most of my low end laptop. I noticed 'throttling' and frame rate drops, and the CPU drops considerably. Can anyone explain how the GPU might affect the CPU ?
I undervolted my GPU (RTX2080) I get more FPS than i did at stock. About 10-15FPS more in some games.
Excellent, thanks.
in particular: seeing how finky MSI AB is while adjusting the voltage curve.
I have Asus Gtx 1660 Super Phoenix OC. Fan are crazy and temperature goes even to 91°C
Let me know how undervolting works for you.
@@CyberCPU I don´t know how to undervolt this gpu.
@@gamerdisorder3007 that's what the video is about.
Probably generates less heat too, right ?!
what settings should be used in the Heaven test?
It doesn't matter. I typically lower the resolution a little bit and make it so it's not full screen so I can set it to the side. The whole purpose of it is just to put a load on the GPU.
Did you tried Precision X1 instead of afterburner?
No, I haven't. However, maybe in a future video.
@@CyberCPU Well I just tried, no, just no, it's a nightmare to set anything on Precision X! curve editor,
@@NunatakPL good to know.
don't forget to overclock your memory clock 😉
my 3070ti would go all the way up to 1070mV 1950MHz stock factory oc (gigabyte gaming OC GPU variant), and it's effing singing songs of it's people with massive coil whine. With conservative UV at 950mV card goes up to 2010MHz and coil whine is barely noticeable. No loss of performance, no instability, less temperatures LESS power draw. it's a win win win
idk about all this but I'm using asus tuf 3090 and the asus gpu tweaks software with the 'power target' set to 98% and seems to run cool and stable while still preforming...but idk if this is the same thing as actually undervolting or not lol
not seeing volt it's showing 0 for 10 min and volt monitoring is on
Im not sure what my fan curve should be? Kinda confused about that. Auto or do I set my own fan curve?? :/
Same here, I just leave it auto. I also want to overclock the gpu memory but don't know the safety limit for 3060
Is this safe for the graphics card in the long run.
It looks the power limit is locked on my 2060 laptop (asus), and I cannot change the slider. Do you know if there’s a way to unlock this?