Changing Over To A 5 Inch Super Dust Deputy Cyclone
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2020
- As you know from previous videos the Grizzly growler cyclone did not work for fine dust and was basically useless for my needs. I finally started switching over to an Oneida Super Dust Deputy 5 inch to see if it works any better and also relocated my filter to reduce the amount of noise by my machines. This is the first part with only a small test and I will do a follow up when I find a good 55 gallon drum and pick up the bags and liner for the drum to finish up the install and start giving it good test. I went with the 5 inch because my system does not pull enough CFM through the 4 inch lines to meet the minimum requirements of the 6 inch version.
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Very well designed and excellently installed! You are one great thinker!!
Thanks. It looks like this cyclone will work good with my airflow. We will see when I find a barrel and finish it up. Definitely much quieter with the filter in the corner. Thanks for watching.
I love how you find this and that just "laying" around the shop... helps me justify my tendency to hang onto things. I was looking for a good way to hang my first dust collector in a small garage and love your ideas and innovation! Keep up the great work!
I got the save everything mentality from my dad that grew up during the depression. Back when I was young stores were closed on the weekends and you always had to be prepared. I spent many hours browsing the dump for parts for future projects and still have a collection from back then. Thanks for watching.
As always, great engineering and craftsmanship! I think that little dowel center on the drill press is a winner for "Why didn't I think of that" award! Thanks for sharing! Stay well!
Thanks. If it's an odd size hole I use a smaller dowel and put a couple wraps of masking tape around it also. Figured that out when I drilled the wrong size holes in a part and needed to resize them with a forstner bit. Thanks for watching.
You put a lot of work into your system and the video is very informative. Thank you very much for taking so much time to share this with others.
It was worth the time because it does a great job. Thanks for watching.
Looks great Ed! You need a real nice job on it. Very slick. Thanks for sharing
Thanks. I think this cyclone do the job and moving the filter really helps quieting the whole system down. Just have to find a 55 gallon drum to finish up and test it. Thanks for watching.
I love that table top with all the references and measurements!
It's a great protector for the saw top. Thanks for watching.
Hi, that is a real good idea putting the dowel in to guide the forester bit; it is one of those (KISS) ideas that does the job.
It's the easiest way for me to get them centered. Thanks for watching.
This is a excellent video! This is video I found the most helpful when I built my dust collector!! Mine was a bit smaller scale, since my workshop is only 12x20 but I am very pleased with how it turned out. Thanks again!
You are so welcome! The dust deputy's make it all possible on a budget. I have also been very happy with my system. Thanks for watching.
thank you ! thank you! thank you!
i am assembling in my shoppe a super dust deputy just like yours to a harbor freight dust collector and what's slowing me down the most is finding adapters to make the six inch hoses fit the five inch fittings and the five inch fittings mate to the four inch hoses and trying to make something all at the same time and LOL so much fun
i have collected six, 55 gallon plastic drums that originally held teflon powder for a coatings factory in kentucky
they are much heavier than yer lil blue drums and i now know they're gonna do me just fine
i can hardly wait to retire my tiny lil dust deputy and shopvac combo that vacuumed the floor but not much else
thank you so many times
you are inspiration
This dust deputy has been a great addition to my shop and works great for my needs. They make great products. Good luck with setting yours up. Thanks for watching.
You are so good at figuring stuff out, nice work---
Thanks. If at first you don't succeed keep on trying. Looks like this one works good. Thanks for watching.
Ingenious solution as always! I wonder how many "well-educated" degreed students today would be able to come up with ANY of the solutions that you've demonstrated - time and time again - on your channel? I just LOVE to watch your innovative, on-the-fly solutions in motion. Critical thinkers are an endangered species today. Crazy -- I know next to nothing about this building and equipment but still just LOVE your videos. Like your jean overalls! Got myself some this year too. Should be perfect for gardening and yard work. The Orioles arrived here about 2 days earlier than yours did. They demand their grape jelly and orange every day. I feel obliged to slog outside in the cold and wind to feed them before I even get my morning coffee. My beautiful 40 foot row of asparagus shoots were JUST popping up but were blasted to pure mush by the 26 degree cold nights we've had. I've had a small electric oil radiator going non-stop in my little greenhouse PLUS all the banks of LED lights in the cellar -- so I am afraid to open the electric bill! Stay healthy. We *might* have Spring by next week from the looks of the weather report! Love your channel and I always look forward to it.
Thanks. Overalls, bandanas on your face, and dirt under your nails are in this year 😀. Glad you got yours before they are all sold out. They are very comfortable with big pockets to hold tools and seeds. Our Oriole only stopped in for a day and now the sparrows are like crackheads gobbling down the grape jelly we put out. Not sharing our oranges this year 😋. Our whole row of asparagus are gone this year. My wife used to take care of them but stopped a couple years ago and those weeds connected with deep strangling roots have finally done them in. I tried vinegar, fire, and digging to get rid of the weeds but can't so I think it's time to give in and use chemicals because they go 2 feet down. All the energy from the LEDs becomes heat and lately it has been needed so think of all the savings on heating when the bill comes 🤔. Our last electric bill was not very bad even with the grow lights. I think the new dryer dries everything in half the time of the old one saving quite a bit of electricity. Flurries today but better weather is on the way. Stay safe. Thanks for watching.
Beautifully engineered, well done...
Thanks. Hopefully this will solve all the problems. Thanks for watching.
I wanted to thank you for your video. Sharing your thought process while putting your project together is very insightful, when you mentioned that Grizzly doesn’t recommend the horizontal mounting of the blower unit. That was one of my questions as I got a 3hp blower from grizzly I’ve bought on the unused market. I was going to purchase the grizzly separator, however after watching your video, I went ahead and purchased the Oneida 6XL separator. Thank you again and it’s a pleasure to watch your videos. Cheers.
So far mine has survived the mounting position and works great. That Grizzly cyclone is not good with fine dust and this combo has been perfect for my needs. The 5 inch is a perfect matcch for the 2 hp cfm. Thanks for watching
I learned a new trick from you tonight! It was so simple I don't know why I didn't think of it. By the way I hope Ortur is giving you some money because I ordered one because of your video. I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks, gearbest gives me a small commission if one is bought using the link on my videos. They are a great way to get started with laser engraving and I have enjoyed mine. Just ordered the new rotary axis they released and will make a video about that when it eventually arrives. Hope you enjoy yours. Thanks for watching.
Beautiful. Concise. Great CFM info.
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Looks good, hope it does the job better than you expect..👍👍
I ran several batches of sawdust through it and nothing came out of the blower that I could see so I am sure it will be much better then the grizzly cyclone that I wasted my money on. Thanks for watching.
Thank you showing how you made the transitions from rectangle to round. I too have a grizzly that I want to convert similar to what you did, and have been scratching my head over that transition.
Glad it was helpful. It was the easiest way to make adapters for my needs. Thanks for watching.
Well done sir, I only wish I could spend a week with you to learn half of what you know. Myself, I can just about figure things out.
Thanks. It's usually a matter of learning form your mistakes and keeping things simple. Thanks for watching.
Very nice dust collection
It looks like this cyclone is very efficient compared to the grizzly one. Moving the filter really helps with the noise. Thanks for watching.
Amazing job, well done!
Thanks for watching.
Like many others, I think you spend as much time getting your shop right, as you do creating! I think that's why I don't ever get anything done. lol
I made a big mistake buying that grizzly cyclone when it first came out. This should fix the sawdust problem for now. Can't do much outside yet anyway with the crummy weather. Thanks for watching.
You are a talented, methodical problem solver.
Thanks. When trying to save some money you have to be. Thanks for watching.
Got my inspiration from you before I ordered a Wen 2hp dust collector. I added the 5” Super Dust Deputy and 32 gal round plastic Brute trash can . I tried to search from the internet for similar plastic container with lid. Didn’t find anything close by so repurposed my 2nd recycling Brute container I got earlier from Lowes. I fashioned a cover from 2 half inch plywood lying around and rounded it as the bottom fitting the inside opening plus joined another larger round ply sized to sit on top of the opening. Cut a 6” center on the joined ply cover and used 6” dust collection fittings from either Woodcraft or Rockler. I used the clear 6” flex hose from Amazon to connect with super dust deputy. I also used 5” galvanized round pipes and 5-4” Oneida galvanized wye drop to my power tools. It worked well.
Glad it worked out for you also. I am very happy with my setup and the 5 inch dust deputy is perfect for a 2hp blower. Thanks for watching.
A great video. I tried to imagine the hours it takes to edit something like this but it made me tired thinking about it. This video addresses most of my current dust control questions and I think I can pretty much replicate this system minus the CNC carved adaptors. Nice. Now to cruise your other videos to become inspired enough to try my hand at a CNC table.
It still works great, just wish they made bigger drums because the planer can fill a can in no time. Thanks for watching.
Nice video very well done and great attention to detail
Thanks. It has been working great for my needs. Really does a good job keeping the filter clear. Thanks for watching.
Clever method with peening that ducting around the small radius on the flange. I'm filing that in the "maybe I'll use that someday" folder of my brain!
Those joints definitely will never pull apart. Thanks for watching.
Ed, it looks like you need to get an auxiliary handle for your drill. Before you end up breaking your wrist. I also liked your idea of using 1/4" dowels to locate the holes. Well done.
I have a bigger drill with one but was to last to go out in my other shop to get it. That's the quickest way for me when they need to be added later. Thanks for watching.
Great video. I have been considering doing this. My current single stage collector has two filters. My assumption is, if the blower moves enough air for two filters, two filters are needed. But, I really like the single filter set up you have. Takes up a lot less space.
Oneida has some nice high flow filters. Contact them to see what they have. The surface are of my filter matches the flow of the blower from the factory. Thanks for watching.
Yeah, that makes sense. I’m rethinking my plan now anyway. Might just stick with it as is for now! Cheers!
Hi Ed, nice video, the Super Dust Deputy will make a big difference for you, 3 years ago I started building my DC system from the beginnings of the HF unit, I did what you did and turned the fan section like you did I changed the impellor from the stock HF to the Rikon 12 in added made a new fan shroud cover with a HVAC take off that fir the Supper Dust Deputy, and added a Wynn environmental filter. I use 5 duct on everything. I have a dust level sensor that made from parts off of eBay for less than $50.00. I am pretty happy with it. I will say that since I built mine and I did not have to buy the original HF dust distribution system yes with that pitiful bag that is what it was. A distribution system!. If I had it to do again I would buy a system commercially designed and have the very minimum of 2 HP system. The HF unit is closer to 1.3 HP based on amperage draw and not knowing the efficiency rating of the motor.😁🛫
This blower is a 2 hp 1600 cfm 12 inch blower and it seems to be a perfect fit for the dust deputy. I made a big mistake buying that grizzly cyclone when it first came out. I will someday switch to 5 inch metal ducts but for now the plastic works. Moving the filter really quieted it down by the machines. I thought about a new system but don't really want to spend almost $3k if this gets the job done. Stay safe. Thanks for watching.
Unemployed Redneck Hillbilly Creations opps I made a mistake thinking your Grizzly was a HF DC please for give me, yes you do have 2 HP motor. The input to the filter is larger on the Grizzly I should have noticed that. As always I enjoy your videos.😁🛫
You're not supposed to mount the motor like that because the bearings are radial and not axial type. This means that they aren't designed to support the weight of the shaft pushing straight down along its axis. It will eventually cause a bearing and ultimately a motor winding failure. How soon depends on how often you use it. Hobby shop it may last for quite a few years. I did love the way you built the wooden flanges. Simple and very nice. I will have to duplicate them in my shop. Thanks for the video.
The thing is that the blower impeller causes a lot of thrust on these motors. Not like just running a belt and pulley so I am guessing the bearings are rated for both loads or they would fail prematurely. Can't find the number to check out what bearings are used but if one ever goes out I will just select a replacement based on my application. Thanks for watching.
absolutely beautiful
Thanks. The dust deputy really does a great job at separating most of the fines. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. Your work is beautifully done. I wonder why you (and some others) have chosen to install the air filter below the cylinder instead of above it. This may be a height consideration in your shop. If you completely flipped over the cylinder and air filter as you have them configured, any chips/dust coming from the blower and entering that cylinder would be directed downward by the cone inside it. It is preferable not to have chips entering the air filter, so put the air filter on top of the cylinder, let the cone direct chips downward, and put the bucket below the cylinder. Your filter already had a cap on it, so that seals the top. Fine, airborne particles will be pushed up through the cylinder into the filter and captured as air passes through the filter media. As you have it mounted, the cylinder only serves to pass any remaining chips through the filter. With the filter on top, the cylinder would act as a second separator only allowing airborne dust to get to the filter. Make sense?
The dust that makes it to the filter is so fine it will go into the filter no matter how you mount it. Thanks for watching.
Nice job. Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
The only cyclone I would use, is an Oneida Super Dust Deputy. Oneida makes the best stuff.
Yes they do. Thanks for watching.
That's what I thought of the 4/5 Dust Deputy I bought the other day. Just an overly priced piece of plastic, $179, but it does work.
They work and seem to last. I think the anti static plastic pushes the price up some. Thanks for watching.
Thank you
Thanks for watching
Depending on the thickness and type of material running your hole saw in reverse (after the pilot hole is drilled) can be easier with less tendency to grab and distort the material provided the hole saw mandrel locks with pins.
Yes, thin sheet metal that has been stamped is no fun drilling with these hole saws. Probably should have used my conduit knock out punches to speed things up. Reversing can really help also as you ssay. Thanks for watching.
How is your Super Dust Deputy working out - any last minute advice since I am installing mine next weekend?
Connecting the fan directly to the separator gives you an optimal entry condition to the fan. Centrifugal fans like it when the air comes in nice and straight. My biggest gripe on these "fans-for-light-duty-dust-collection" is that the manufacturer's are not willing to provide a fan curve. Without a fan curve you can do an educated guess on performance but only after you test the fan
For the price you don't get much documentation as you say. I have no idea of the actual flow or pressure but it works good now. Thanks for watching.
Excellent
Thanks for watching.
Thankyou for another very interesting, informative video. One question, since the dust deputy does such a good job why not eliminate the filter and blow the small amount of dust outside? I blow mine outside and it allows the air to move better. No noticeable dust outside. Thanks again.
Heat, AC, and humidity. Thanks for watching.
I enjoy your attention to details. Could you use an old lawnmower pull cord to move your filter flappers? Just a thought.
That would probably work. With the dust deputy it doesn't have to be cleaned that often now, Thanks for watching.
Hi Ed, love the design! Been looking for something like this and I love every detail of it. Been doing a lot of research on duct size and what not, but I was wondering why you ran the 8' on the outlet portion of the blower? From what I'm reading, turbulence is reduced with a minimum of 4' straight pipe leaving the inlet side of the dust collector. Is there a reason you chose 8' between your dust filter and blower? Would love your input! Trying to learn the most I can from people's personal experiences. Great video by the way!
You never want to put back pressure on a blower. It greatly reduces the input suction just like having a plugged filter. I went with 7 inches to keep the area of the extension slightly larger then the square inch area of the steel duct, 6 inch was undersize so I stepped up to 7. Different size and efficiency blowers will have their own requirements. Thanks for watching.
My thought as well, intake long, output short....Turbulence be damned ,1 ft of straight works great
My set up; Super Dust Deputy XL 6 in 10 ft flex hose into a 1.5Hp fan, 12 gal dust drum , output short 5in flex hose to hepa filter with large plastic bag on bottom.The dust collector serves a 7ft 3 in by 5ft x7.5ft room fitted with a full size oscillating spindle sander.
Six inch flex ,all the way to the inclosed spindle chamber, means zero dust left behind.
A small room, with a small air opening 7.5ft x 6in creates incredible air velocity that completely clears the air .
Wow, lots of customizing and engineering. Maybe just got the right one to begin with.
That grizzly one was definitely a big waste of time and money. Should have gone with this in the first place. Thanks for watching.
“I just made 4 even though I needed 3”. better to be looking at it than look in’ for it
Thanks for watching.
Since you have a CNC machine, I was trying to figure out why you did not just cut out the pieces on the CNC vs going to that very fancy router table.
Because viewers need different ideas about how to duplicate parts. Not everyone has cnc. Thanks for watching.
Now that you had time to use this, how does it perform in terms of overall dustiness of the shop? Does it leak a noticeable amount of dust into the shop? I am looking to use a setup similar to yours here in the near future. Thanks in advance and you sure have a wonderful ability to reengineer things. I wish I was better at this myself.
It works good but there still is dust. I actually run the fans on my sanding station often because things like my tablesaw still blow out dust and they catch quite a bit of that. Only had the sensor fail once when planning some damp ash that built up in the container like a tornado spout for some reason. If you want perfect dust collection its going to cost a lot more and require larger pipes. This dust deputy is the best you will find in the price range for a home shop. Thanks for watching.
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 “Sensor”? Tell me more
Great install. How did it Handel the fine dust? Been looking at this since I got my drum sander and the fine dust is clogging the filter
It does a good job with the fine dust. Some still gets through but its a simple mater of spinning the handle on the filter every couple months and not every use as it was with the grizzly unit. I think it's the best you can get in the price range. Thanks for watching. .
Do You Have a diagram for the brackets going from the motor to the filter? Why is the filter upside down? When I purchased my 2HP Grizzy Dust extractor the filter was on top. Thank you great video
I don't save any of the old stuff I'll never use again. I went upside-down to keep the pipes overhead by the ceiling with the noise at the far corner of my shop. It doesn't really matter. Thanks for watching.
Did you ever use the 2.5 micron bags vs the 1 micron filter so as to make a comparison of the air quality ??
Never tried a bag. Thanks for watching.
Cool. New subscriber here.
It has worked great so far. Glad I switched over. Thanks for watching and subbing.
I really like your setup. Why does Grizzly advise against turning the blower on it’s side? Are they saying the bearings are not going to last in that configuration? I want to do my 3hp setup pretty much like yours.
Probably this motor doesn't have the best thrust bearings. Time will tell. This is very efficient compared to the grizzly growler. Getting ready to upload a drum level sensor video soon. Thanks for watching.
I learn a lot watching your videos. I will post a photo when mine is complete. You can give me a grade!
Were you trained as an engineer? Amazing builds! I am in awe of your router table with the power movement components. Do you have a vid explaining your router table setup?
Thanks. Yes I was. There's a video series about building it. Thanks for watching.
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Can you direct me to those videos? I looked around on your YT page, found lots of interesting vids but not the router table... Thanks!
Just search for router on my channel. There is a playlist for it also.
How did you determine that a 5" Deputy would be optimal and the 6" would not give enough CFM?
I'm in the process of setting up my first central dust collection system. Just ordered the G0548ZP 2HP collector... haven't ordered my Dust Deputy yet but was originally going to choose the 6" model. Obviously still learning & doing research, so I want to make sure I make the right choice.
I went by the size of my pipes and max flow they will support. There's a rating on each size deputy of the min cfm for efficient operation. You can also contact Oneida to be sure. Thanks for watching.
I'm curious as to why you made the templates instead of just routing the plywood on the CNC.
Not everyone has a cnc router so a template and router does the same thing and is faster then my old cnc router. Thanks for watching.
This was a great video. Would you be willing to sell me a couple of the wood flanges that you made that form the transitions from the square duct to the round pipe?
I can't, not set up to sell anything. It's easy to figure out. Thanks for watching.
Do you have an update after 9 months of motor being mounted like that?
I currently mounting my motor in same orientation...but am curious if everything has been fine with yours.
Still working good. Thanks for watching.
The only thing is , It appears that you flipped the funnel that holds the filter which means sawdust is going to collect big time in the collar that holds the filter?
No problem only a tiny amount of fine dust makes it through the cyclone and it stays suspended in the air. This cyclone works awesome. Thanks for watching
It has been a year. Are you getting much dust in the bucket on the filter?? I am in the process of installing a system slimier to yours.
Works great. I get a little in the filter and am happy with it. Thanks for watching.
I've been thinking of getting a dust deputy. I have the New rockler 1 1/2 hp dust right. It has 6 inch ports and I've considered getting the XL, but seems risky since I cant find info on it.
The xl needs min 850 cfm according to the Oneida site which would mean 6 inch ducts with2 4 inch gates open. . This one has a min of 350 cfm and I figured the max my 2 hp fan could pull through a 4 inch line is about 400 to 450 cfm so I went with the smaller one based on that. You could send them an email and see what they say about your blower and duct size. Thanks for watching.
I got an XL by accident and it was too large for my system, both CFM-wise and height-wise. It is significantly larger than the regular Super Dust Deputy. I went to the regular and now have the XL just sitting in a box.
Jeremy Specce I have just bought the 1250 dust right as well. Which Oneida are you using and are you happy with it? Oh and which one is sitting in box?
Old video I know but can you link the flange or give a part number from Home Depot? I can’t seem to find it
They only have them in some stores, not online. Check your local stores or HVAC suppliers. Thanks for watching
Well crap, I just finished assembling my G860 dust collector 😂
hopefully it works out for you. The grizzly cyclone I tried wasn't good for fine sawdust so I switched to this and it works much better. Thanks for watching.
Why not just cut the final parts on the cnc instead of making templates?
Wanted to show how to use templates for those without cnc. Thanks for watching.
What was wrong with the Grizzly Cyclone?
All the fine sawdust went right through it. The cross tube seemed to cause problems in the cyclone path. Not good if you have a thickness sander. Dust deputy works awesome. Thanks for watching.
Why don’t you just make your parts with the cnc?
Because many don't have a cnc so I like to show how a template works also.nmy cnc is slow for duplication of parts anyway. Thanks for watching.
wouldn't it make more sense to just vent it direct outside? more CFM, and zero dust inside...
Not when it's heated. Plus you never want a negative pressure in a house with a woodstove and furnace flu. Go by your building codes.
Lively a dumb question, but here it goes:
Why are many TH-cam videos of Dust Collection systems using metal piping...and you mention wanting to switch your piping to all metal eventually. Isn't PVC plastic pipe better, because it doesn't have seams, and the inside of all pipe, fittings, adapters, reducers are all smooth because they are molded instead of bent and crimped like the metal ducting pipe and fittings.
I must be overlooking something obvious.
Cost? Noise? Weight? ...or maybe people just generally have metal ductwork scraps hanging around more often? Since I'm a plumber I have a bunch of plastic pipe leftovers to use...but would purchase metal ductwork if it's superior in some way.
Size. 4 inch pvc can only flow 350 to 400 cfm for 1 tool at a time. Thanks for watching.
Ed, You will enjoy the dust deputy, They do a great job. I researched them a lot and wound up building my own Cyclone using a Harbor Freight dust collector for a sawmill. So far its working great, Better than I expected, Check it out@ Kentucky Boomer Farmer, I have a few videos on building that darn thing. It wound up being a pretty big job. I suppose eventually I will have to upgrade to a bigger fan and motor. Enjoy your videos.
This definitely works much better than the grizzly unit. I will check that out. I was getting ready to upgrade to a bigger system but I think this dust deputy has solved my problem with filter plugging. Thanks for watching.
Kentucky Boomer Farmer did you build your own cyclone? I’m thinking of building my own cyclone rather than buying the dust deputy.
@@Spurtaker Yes I did. Started from scratch. Check it out on my vids. Thanks Im open for any questions. I learned a lot but it was fun and it works extremely good
What most do not understand about cyclones is that the do NOT remove fines - those that are around 10 microns or less in diameter go straight through a cyclone. Which is why you nee a HEPA filter as a final filter. And it will get plugged up over time. Deal with it. It's the cost of doing business.
Actually the dust deputy is 10x better then the others I tried. Thanks for watching.
Keep it simple is not in your vocabulary. 😊
This time simple didn't work the first try. Learn from your mistakes and do it right the second time. Thanks for watching.